Is this an Attack Thread?

[Jeff Reynolds]

http://www.debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=58374

Thanks Mods.

[User Name]

well it can hardly be said that it aplies to you when he said straight out that it was auto-generated.

you know it's not about you he admits that it's some plug in the name thing.


how can it be an attack when everyone is in on the facts?!?!?

[User Name]

And theres the lock.

every in on the situation that it was just a pregenerated form you plug the name into and it's locked sad really.

guess some people just cant stand a little ribbing.

[Jeff Reynolds]

And theres the lock.

every in on the situation that it was just a pregenerated form you plug the name into and it's locked sad really.

guess some people just cant stand a little ribbing.

It didn't phase me, so I just asked the question. If you notice, I was the one who first revealed it was some auto-generated attack. "A Voice" judged it an attack thread because its main purpose is to attack one of us.

He's just upset over this new thread. (http://www.debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=58358) He can't come up with anything to refute it, so he is trying to up the noise in comparison to the signal. It's called blame the messenger.

[User Name]

It didn't phase me, so I just asked the question. If you notice, I was the one who first revealed it was some auto-generated attack. "A Voice" judged it an attack thread because its main purpose is to attack one of us.

He's just upset over this new thread. (http://www.debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=58358) He can't come up with anything to refute it, so he is trying to up the noise in comparison to the signal. It's called blame the messenger.
it didn't bother you any?!?!/

so you asked some moderators to look at it?!?!/

doesn't it bother you that a mod would close such a thing with no complaint being filed?!?!/

that tears it...

I mean if someone actually felt offended and wanted the thread closed thats one thing but for a mod to close it with no complaint and when the person it was "attacking" doesn't even mind it thats quite another.

good fucking job voice... any one else you want to silence without a complaint being lodged?!?!?

[Dingo]

doesn't it bother you that a mod would close such a thing with no complaint being filed?!?!/

Personally it doesn't bother me that a machine generated thread would be shut down without some complaint being filed. I'm here to deal with people not machines.

[User Name]

Personally it doesn't bother me that a machine generated thread would be shut down without some complaint being filed. I'm here to deal with people not machines.

The content was generated by a machine... the poster still generated the thread themselves.

I agree that if it was just a maching doing it ... but that was not the case.

when you have something on subject please give me an update.

[Dingo]

The content was generated by a machine... the poster still generated the thread themselves.

I agree that if it was just a maching doing it ... but that was not the case.

when you have something on subject please give me an update.

Yeah your distinctions are right on User Name. I get the message. Thought I would make my own little contribution to the thread.


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You are going to engulf us in a Dark Age of McCarthyism and indescribable horror?

Lord lord - spare us!:eek:

[User Name]

Yeah your distinctions are right on User Name. I get the message. Thought I would make my own little contribution to the thread.thanks... i knew some rational explaination would make someone see the light.

I hope you are glad that i support your ability to do something like this.



You are going to engulf us in a Dark Age of McCarthyism and indescribable horror?

Lord lord - spare us!:eek:The horror will not be indescribable... but they will have to invent new words to be able to describe it.

[A Voice]

it didn't bother you any?!?!/

so you asked some moderators to look at it?!?!/

doesn't it bother you that a mod would close such a thing with no complaint being filed?!?!/

that tears it...

I mean if someone actually felt offended and wanted the thread closed thats one thing but for a mod to close it with no complaint and when the person it was "attacking" doesn't even mind it thats quite another.

good fucking job voice... any one else you want to silence without a complaint being lodged?!?!?

User Name,

As a moderator I have to enforce the rules as I see fit. As a human being I cannot read the entire board.

Sometimes violations need to be pointed out to us, sometimes we trip right over them as we read what interests us as we post like everybody else. Either way, when a rule has been violated we act accordingly.

Whether someone is offended isn't the point. It was an attack thread, it was shut down.

A Voice

[User Name]

User Name,

As a moderator I have to enforce the rules as I see fit. As a human being I cannot read the entire board.

Sometimes violations need to be pointed out to us, sometimes we trip right over them as we read what interests us as we post like everybody else. Either way, when a rule has been violated we act accordingly.

Whether someone is offended isn't the point. It was an attack thread, it was shut down.

A Voicehow can it be an attack if the person it was directed at stated that they did not mind the post?!?!?

I do think the being offended is a part of the attack experience online.

if I was to start a thread directed at a friend in good humor and he wasn't offended would that one get shut down without consulting the other party.

if the person I directed a thread at wasn't a friend and they let it roll off their back why would it matter?!?!?

for you to step in between the interactions of two people who are adults and can handle things like this own their own seems stupid.

you talk of "As a human being I cannot read the entire board." so why use time that can be better spent on handling other issues on things that doesn't even bother the "target"?!?!?

And why the hell are people wasting the moderators time on things that do not even fucking bother them?

[A Voice]

how can it be an attack if the person it was directed at stated that they did not mind the post?!?!?

I do think the being offended is a part of the attack experience online.

if I was to start a thread directed at a friend in good humor and he wasn't offended would that one get shut down without consulting the other party.

if the person I directed a thread at wasn't a friend and they let it roll off their back why would it matter?!?!?

for you to step in between the interactions of two people who are adults and can handle things like this own their own seems stupid.

you talk of "As a human being I cannot read the entire board." so why use time that can be better spent on handling other issues on things that doesn't even bother the "target"?!?!?

And why the hell are people wasting the moderators time on things that do not even fucking bother them?

I think you are assuming too much. The posters involved in this particular situation have been beating up on each other for quite some time in ever-increasing ways. You have caught one exchange and think you understand the entire situation.

What we are not going to do is poll the entire board everytime something like this pops up and inquire if anyone was upset by it

I am not going to justify my actions in this matter.

It was an attack thread.
Attack threads are against the rules.
I closed it.
The originator of the thread agrees with my actions.


So what exactly is your problem?

[A Voice]

how can it be an attack if the person it was directed at stated that they did not mind the post?!?!?

I do think the being offended is a part of the attack experience online.

if I was to start a thread directed at a friend in good humor and he wasn't offended would that one get shut down without consulting the other party.

if the person I directed a thread at wasn't a friend and they let it roll off their back why would it matter?!?!?

for you to step in between the interactions of two people who are adults and can handle things like this own their own seems stupid.

you talk of "As a human being I cannot read the entire board." so why use time that can be better spent on handling other issues on things that doesn't even bother the "target"?!?!?

And why the hell are people wasting the moderators time on things that do not even fucking bother them?

I've gone back and re-read your questions and feel an explination is in order.

We used to have next to no rules here and let people police themselves. Every so often you get people who cannot manage to police themselves. A few years ago someone started in with an insult thread, let's call it :

"Joe Smith fucks Llamas!"

Joe Smith takes umbrage at this is starts a counter thread:

"So and so rapes underaged badgers"

Jane Doe, a friend of So and so's, steps in to defend her friend and starts a thread:

"Joe Smith is vile and the moderators let him get away with murder"

Joe Smith's friend, N. Capable, now counters with:

"Jane is a fucking whore"

His Majesty, who thinks himself a chivilrous sort, chimes in:

"N. Capable, that rat bastard, rapes young girls."

And so it goes until the board is filled with nothing but endless insult threads. This situation happened here a few years ago, so it was decided that attacked threads would not be allowed. Matter of fact you can look at most of the rules we have here are in place because certain so called "adults" went a little nuts and were turning the place into a sewer.

I wish we didn't need moderators and rules, but there is a reason behind each and every one.

[User Name]

I think you are assuming too much. The posters involved in this particular situation have been beating up on each other for quite some time in ever-increasing ways. You have caught one exchange and think you understand the entire situation.

What we are not going to do is poll the entire board everytime something like this pops up and inquire if anyone was upset by it

I am not going to justify my actions in this matter.

It was an attack thread.
Attack threads are against the rules.
I closed it.
The originator of the thread agrees with my actions.


So what exactly is your problem?So the originator of this thread was complaining... got it.


it seems so chikldish to bring "MOM and/or DAD" into something that doesn't even bother you but oh well.

how does it feel to be brought into a fight when you know the person complaining said that it didn't bother them

great use of your time.

[User Name]

I've gone back and re-read your questions and feel an explination is in order.

We used to have next to no rules here and let people police themselves. Every so often you get people who cannot manage to police themselves. A few years ago someone started in with an insult thread, let's call it :

"Joe Smith fucks Llamas!"

Joe Smith takes umbrage at this is starts a counter thread:

"So and so rapes underaged badgers"

Jane Doe, a friend of So and so's, steps in to defend her friend and starts a thread:

"Joe Smith is vile and the moderators let him get away with murder"

Joe Smith's friend, N. Capable, now counters with:

"Jane is a fucking whore"

His Majesty, who thinks himself a chivilrous sort, chimes in:

"N. Capable, that rat bastard, rapes young girls."

And so it goes until the board is filled with nothing but endless insult threads. This situation happened here a few years ago, so it was decided that attacked threads would not be allowed. Matter of fact you can look at most of the rules we have here are in place because certain so called "adults" went a little nuts and were turning the place into a sewer.

I wish we didn't need moderators and rules, but there is a reason behind each and every one.yeah... I see about the acusations like that... especialy naming threads with those tittles... the thread in question doesn't seem anywhere close to those things and in fact the person that the thread was directed to said that the thread didn't bother them.

[Mr.88]

I've gone back and re-read your questions and feel an explination is in order.

We used to have next to no rules here and let people police themselves. Every so often you get people who cannot manage to police themselves. A few years ago someone started in with an insult thread, let's call it :

"Joe Smith fucks Llamas!"

Joe Smith takes umbrage at this is starts a counter thread:

"So and so rapes underaged badgers"

Jane Doe, a friend of So and so's, steps in to defend her friend and starts a thread:

"Joe Smith is vile and the moderators let him get away with murder"

Joe Smith's friend, N. Capable, now counters with:

"Jane is a fucking whore"

His Majesty, who thinks himself a chivilrous sort, chimes in:

"N. Capable, that rat bastard, rapes young girls."

And so it goes until the board is filled with nothing but endless insult threads. This situation happened here a few years ago, so it was decided that attacked threads would not be allowed. Matter of fact you can look at most of the rules we have here are in place because certain so called "adults" went a little nuts and were turning the place into a sewer.

I wish we didn't need moderators and rules, but there is a reason behind each and every one.

Man that Joe Smith is a sick bastard!

[Jeff Reynolds]

If these things truly bothered me, I would have given up on posting at open forums a long time ago. But rules are rules. The rule is that the opening posts cannot be an attack thread. That is what happened, so I just posed the question if it was an attack thread. Now when Halvar when out of his way to try to get my real name exposed, thaqt's when I reported that Halvar was threatening me.

I actually first met A Voice that night or so when I started a thread on Halvar and Lord Spray. I even pm'ed her saying I might have broken the rule. As long as we all stick to some basic rules, I don't see what the problem is.

[dewey189]

Man that Joe Smith is a sick bastard!I know Joe Smith. He does not f*ck llamas.

[User Name]

If these things truly bothered me, I would have given up on posting at open forums a long time ago. But rules are rules. The rule is that the opening posts cannot be an attack thread. That is what happened, so I just posed the question if it was an attack thread. Now when Halvar when out of his way to try to get my real name exposed, thaqt's when I reported that Halvar was threatening me.

I actually first met A Voice that night or so when I started a thread on Halvar and Lord Spray. I even pm'ed her saying I might have broken the rule. As long as we all stick to some basic rules, I don't see what the problem is.A voice saw it as you two bickering and one posted the attack thread and the other had a problem ( if you didn;t have a problem it wouldn't have been worth your time to make a whole new thread about the attack thread).

it;s ok we all saw what happened.

and you went running to mommy/daddy for the attack thread to be closed.

it's ok.

I was asking someone else what they thought about having to babysit for you.

[A Voice]

Man that Joe Smith is a sick bastard!

I know Joe Smith. He does not f*ck llamas.

Does no one care about those poor underaged badgers!?!?!

[A Voice]

A voice saw it as you two bickering and one posted the attack thread and the other had a problem ( if you didn;t have a problem it wouldn't have been worth your time to make a whole new thread about the attack thread).

it;s ok we all saw what happened.

and you went running to mommy/daddy for the attack thread to be closed.

it's ok.

I was asking someone else what they thought about having to babysit for you.

Dude, it's my job. I volunteered for it. It's no big deal.

[User Name]

Dude, it's my job. I volunteered for it. It's no big deal.yeah.
I've noticed quite a few attack threads that people have pointed at in these threads that are still left open.

you just gift those you like.

it's ok.

every mommy/daddy has their favorites.

[A Voice]

yeah.
I've noticed quite a few attack threads that people have pointed at in these threads that are still left open.

you just gift those you like.

it's ok.

every mommy/daddy has their favorites.

No and stop trying to pick a fight were none exists. Sometimes things get by us because we are human and do not notice every single thing that gets posted here. On rare occasion the victim of the attack asks us to leave the offending thread up and open.

Sometimes we have disagreements on what constitutes an attack thread. It is possible to create a thread the calls out a person by name to address a particular issue that is not an attack thread. Some of our posters are very clever with language and can attack without attacking (very Zen sound I know).

It is also possible for someone to be convinced that they have been attacked and for all the moderators to conclude that no attack took place. Yes, it's a judgement call. They only time it has happened to me I sent the issue over to the other moderators for their opinion and they agreed with me. Does the poster in question still, months later, complain that s/he has been poorly used? Of course. Does this poster insist that I am the problem and favoritism is present? Yep. Is their claim true? No and the other moderators agreed with me.

There are people here I like. One of the reasons I like them is they are good debaters that don't have to resort to being obnoxious and rude to make a point. I have had to "moderate" some of them on occasions and most of them understand where and how they crossed the line and deal with it like adults. Then there are people who are rude and beligerent most of the time and when a moderator has to deal with them they are not only rude and abusive, they whine and moan about unfair it all is.

What can I tell you, life isn't fair and I am not perfect.

[User Name]

So basicly the guy who claimed that the thread bothered them is the ne that has the say on whether the thread stayed open or not.

so that person did have a problem with the thread.

thanks for proving the guy as a liar for me.

[Jeff Reynolds]

...Sometimes we have disagreements on what constitutes an attack thread. It is possible to create a thread the calls out a person by name to address a particular issue that is not an attack thread. Some of our posters are very clever with language and can attack without attacking (very Zen sound I know).



.....What can I tell you, life isn't fair and I am not perfect.

You are close to perfect.
Wingnuts are just intimidated by nice, sincere people.

God forbid anyone actually believes in peace and love.



"Dewey189 Asked about the Sylphs"
http://www.debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=58567

[kola]

socrates/jeffyboy quote; God forbid anyone actually believes in peace and love


yeah God knows you ain't a believer..your posts and personal attacks are far from "peace and love".

fricken hypocrite

Kola

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

So basicly the guy who claimed that the thread bothered them is the ne that has the say on whether the thread stayed open or not.

so that person did have a problem with the thread.

thanks for proving the guy as a liar for me.

Thanks for being a fucking shallow geek moron fuckwad with way too much fucking time on his hands, asshole.

[User Name]

Thanks for being a fucking shallow geek moron fuckwad with way too much fucking time on his hands, asshole.What?!?!?

did you fun out of bush supporters to insult and now you're coming after those that despise bush.

have fun with your insults.

I hope they make you feel like a big man like when you helped your mom in the kitchen.

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

What?!?!?

did you fun out of bush supporters to insult and now you're coming after those that despise bush.

have fun with your insults.

I hope they make you feel like a big man like when you helped your mom in the kitchen.

Being a shallow fucking geek with too much time on his hands crosses party lines, you know. Apparently, it crosses tenses as well.