Is there one thing Israel could do to cause you to want it defeated?

[Jay_Esbe]

Is there one thing Israel could do to cause you to want it defeated?

[Gerry]

Is there one thing Israel could do to cause you to want it defeated?

Israel has already caused WAY too much destruction and terror in the Middle East with our help that it needs te be defeated once and for all. Not annihilated but soundly defeated. It needs to get its arse kicked out of all illegally occupied territories and pay restitution for the next 50 years to the Palestinians AND the Lebanese. They are a menace that has been allowed to go on for far too long. They inflict Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians and respond that it is "military necessity". And then they have the nerve to call those who resist terrorist. They need to respect international law and abide by U.N. Resolutions. ALL OF THEM!!

[Bubba2]

Israel has already caused WAY too much destruction and terror in the Middle East with our help that it needs te be defeated once and for all. Not annihilated but soundly defeated. It needs to get its arse kicked out of all illegally occupied territories and pay restitution for the next 50 years to the Palestinians AND the Lebanese. They are a menace that has been allowed to go on for far too long. They inflict Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians and respond that it is "military necessity". And then they have the nerve to call those who resist terrorist. They need to respect international law and abide by U.N. Resolutions. ALL OF THEM!!

Only when we cut them off. Americans should not pay for their arrogance any longer.

[whitemajikman]

Israel has already caused WAY too much destruction and terror in the Middle East with our help that it needs te be defeated once and for all. Not annihilated but soundly defeated. It needs to get its arse kicked out of all illegally occupied territories and pay restitution for the next 50 years to the Palestinians AND the Lebanese. They are a menace that has been allowed to go on for far too long. They inflict Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians and respond that it is "military necessity". And then they have the nerve to call those who resist terrorist. They need to respect international law and abide by U.N. Resolutions. ALL OF THEM!!

I CONCUR..........


WMM

[whitemajikman]

Only when we cut them off. Americans should not pay for their arrogance any longer.

I agree...., but unfortunately the Pentagon does not.

this entire issue is the result of a foreign government(u.s.)trying to control a whole region(The Middle East) via Israel.

WMM

[Gerry]

I agree...., but unfortunately the Pentagon does not.

this entire issue is the result of a foreign government(u.s.)trying to control a whole region(The Middle East) via Israel.

WMM

The Pentagon does what it's masters tell them to do. Their masters are reaping huge benefits from this war.

1. Israel is in dire need of water which Lebanon has.
2. the U.S. via Israel wants to control the M.E. oil, that way it can control the world i.e. Europe/Russia which is becomming a huge threat/competition to the U.S.

Things are hardly ever what they seem.

[Dingo]

The Pentagon does what it's masters tell them to do. Their masters are reaping huge benefits from this war.

1. Israel is in dire need of water which Lebanon has.
2. the U.S. via Israel wants to control the M.E. oil, that way it can control the world i.e. Europe/Russia which is becomming a huge threat/competition to the U.S.

Things are hardly ever what they seem.

Speaking of conspiracy nutcases. The one thing our policy with regard to Israel doesn't do is secure more oil for us in the ME. Quite the contrary.

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Everything Israel does makes me want to see them defeated. The Israeli government is nothing but a bunch of Terrorists that have destroyed more of Lebanon than 9/11 did to the Trade Center Towers.

They bitch about the holocost and then go into Lebanon to kill women and children. Scumbags.

The only way this Israeli terrorism will ever stop is for our government to stop supporting them and the only way we will ever change that is to throw out all the bums in Washington and elect people that follow the will of the American people instead of running a dictatorship.

[Bertrand]

Everything Israel does makes me want to see them defeated. The Israeli government is nothing but a bunch of Terrorists that have destroyed more of Lebanon than 9/11 did to the Trade Center Towers.

They bitch about the holocost and then go into Lebanon to kill women and children. Scumbags.

The only way this Israeli terrorism will ever stop is for our government to stop supporting them and the only way we will ever change that is to throw out all the bums in Washington and elect people that follow the will of the American people instead of running a dictatorship.

You are hitting the nail on the head, Sexy Citizen!

Another intelligent American... seeing the light.

Welcome to this forum.

Beware, even the so called moderator named Lib has revealed he is a closet Zionist... and an enabler of GWB!

Let these suckers realize that the world is a changing in this modern age of information and knowledge... for those who seek the facts. Enablers have to wake up and stop the insanity when so many enablers in America are unknowingly pushing the world on edge... before its too late.

Peace always depends on the powerful and if the 2 state terrorist regimes in Israel and America want peace... they can have almost instantly by their denying justice.

Peace.

[Gerry]

Speaking of conspiracy nutcases. The one thing our policy with regard to Israel doesn't do is secure more oil for us in the ME. Quite the contrary.

You have a distinctly skewed interpretation of what you read. It has not as much to do with securing oil for ourselves as it has to do with CONTROLING the oil. When one controls oil one can control the world by denying them oil. Europe has become an economic competitor of the U.S.. We don't like competitors. So we will do whatever it takes to prevent anyone from competing with us. Oil is a tool.

[Mark]

The Pentagon does what it's masters tell them to do. Their masters are reaping huge benefits from this war.

1. Israel is in dire need of water which Lebanon has.
2. the U.S. via Israel wants to control the M.E. oil, that way it can control the world i.e. Europe/Russia which is becomming a huge threat/competition to the U.S.

Things are hardly ever what they seem.

I agree that Israel has a water problem and just looking at the map, it appears that Lebanon/Syria could divert water from the Jordan River, thus denying Israel a very important supplement to their water needs. I've read some historical information and it appears that Israel uses surface water for approximately 30% of it's total consumption needs. Droughts and water diversion would create a serious problem.

I'm not sure I understand how our relationship with Israel creates an ability to control ME oil. It's obvious that our relationship with Israel has created enemies for us from countries that have vast oil reserves. It is only Kissinger-like realpolitic tactics with Saudi Arabia (ignoring human rights abuses or ties to radical islamicists for instance) that keeps our supply secure. I wonder if Israel was treated like any other country (in other words, with sharp rebukes and sanctions for war crimes) would we have a closer relationship with the likes of Iran or Syria.

[Gerry]

I agree that Israel has a water problem and just looking at the map, it appears that Lebanon/Syria could divert water from the Jordan River, thus denying Israel a very important supplement to their water needs. I've read some historical information and it appears that Israel uses surface water for approximately 30% of it's total consumption needs. Droughts and water diversion would create a serious problem.

The Jordan River is beginning to run dry, what with everyone pumping it out, small wonder.
The Dead Sea water level is going down 2 ft each year. The excess salt is affecting the soil in the region.
Israel real intentions are running a water pipeline from Iraq to Israel. Of course the whole notion could be resolved if they build some desalination plants. The whole island of Curacao (Antilles) lives of desalinated water. Amstel Brewery there makes the best tasting beer ever.

I'm not sure I understand how our relationship with Israel creates an ability to control ME oil. It's obvious that our relationship with Israel has created enemies for us from countries that have vast oil reserves.

Israel is our watchdog in the M.E. As long as they do what WE want we will arm them and support them. The other side of the coin is that THEY for those very same reasons demand that we back up all their aggression. Considering that we have vetoed 33 U.N. resolutions condemning Israel for its aggression, it would seem that we are doing just that. Justifying Israel's aggression under the ruse of self-defense. Of course when that is discussed, the illegal invasion and cruel opppression of the Palestinions is NOT discussed. Israeli PR has completely hijacked U.S. Media in that there is a total disconnect between the illegal 40 year long occupation and the resulting resistance which is referred to as terrorism. The White House has a virtual incestuous relationship with the media when it, during newsbriefing, refers to everyone by their first name, No one dares ask the right questions for they'll be kicked out. Right now Israel's invasion of Lebanon (which was planned for over one year) accomplishes TWO very important things. Israel will gain access to sorely needed water. It also intends to take over Lebanon and annex it to Israel (have no illusions about that) while WE hope to engage Syria and Iran. Our relationship with Israel is solely one that benefits the U.S.

It is only Kissinger-like realpolitic tactics with Saudi Arabia (ignoring human rights abuses or ties to radical islamicists for instance) that keeps our supply secure. I wonder if Israel was treated like any other country (in other words, with sharp rebukes and sanctions for war crimes) would we have a closer relationship with the likes of Iran or Syria.

Not quite, we've been sleeping for a long time with the Saudis and the Bushes have been sleeping with the bin Ladens. The Saudi Royals are in power because of the radical Islam and America. The clerics are powerful enough to demand that American presence leave Saudi Arabia, which is why we needed another country to build military bases. Iraq having been completely disarmed was a cakewalk...remember?? But since that wouldn't work well with the American people, we created the WMD which none of our allies bought. They knew better. They also informed the Bush gang that they would NEVER win this war. The rest is history.
Iran has our number. They remember our deposing the democratically and hugely popular Mossadeqh and replaced him with the cruel Shah, which eventually led to the Iran revolution and them taking the Americans hostage. In return we crated Saddam Hussein to kick Ian's butt and we armed him to the teeth. So do the Iranians trust us?? What do you think? Would you?
Does Syria have any reason to trust us?? The Middle East sees us as having a double standard and being anti Muslim.

Closing the U.S. wallet to Israel, telling them to stand down and getting their collective asses out of ALL occupied territories and then engaging in some nation building, would go a long way with the Arabs. And it's a lot cheaper for the American tax payers, but it would cut into the bottomline of Carlyle, Halliburton, Bechtel and the like. I think we know pretty well at this point who is running the country.

[Bertrand]

You have a distinctly skewed interpretation of what you read. It has not as much to do with securing oil for ourselves as it has to do with CONTROLING the oil. When one controls oil one can control the world by denying them oil. Europe has become an economic competitor of the U.S.. We don't like competitors. So we will do whatever it takes to prevent anyone from competing with us. Oil is a tool.

Thanks for your patience still even responding to such a lightweight Dingo (wild dog by definition in the dictionary... he chose that screen name... as it describes him so well).

Enablers continue to be so... because they are unable to see what you have just explained to that pompous verbose man... who is the product of the American media aquarium's subtle brainwashing.

Gerry, you are wonderful!

Peace.

[Dingo]

You have a distinctly skewed interpretation of what you read. It has not as much to do with securing oil for ourselves as it has to do with CONTROLING the oil. When one controls oil one can control the world by denying them oil. Europe has become an economic competitor of the U.S.. We don't like competitors. So we will do whatever it takes to prevent anyone from competing with us. Oil is a tool.

So how does our helping Israel help us to control the oil. What proxy roll does Israel play in our control of oil. Please be specific.

PS. How anyone can not be embarrassed by the mutts continuous groveling and sucking up is beyond me. I guess folks will take their strokes where they can get them. :rolleyes:

[Gerry]

So how does our helping Israel help us to control the oil. What proxy roll does Israel play in our control of oil. Please be specific.

PS. How anyone can not be embarrassed by the mutts continuous groveling and sucking up is beyond me. I guess folks will take their strokes where they can get them. :rolleyes:

Ohj Jeeezus I give up.

[Dingo]

Ohj Jeeezus I give up.

Yeah, since you haven't got any available explanation I would say that's your only option. Nice to see a little honesty for a change. Just about any idiot can see that our policy toward Israel undermines our relationship with the Arab oil states.

[Gerry]

Yeah, since you haven't got any available explanation I would say that's your only option. Nice to see a little honesty for a change. Just about any idiot can see that our policy toward Israel undermines our relationship with the Arab oil states.


You;re a lost cause and disingenuous taboot. So I'm not wasting my energy in educating you. Go do your own research.

[Dingo]

You;re a lost cause and disingenuous taboot. So I'm not wasting my energy in educating you. Go do your own research.

On this matter you haven't educated anybody. Somebody asks you what you had for dinner and you do a whole jihad on Israel. You are the queen of diversion. :rolleyes: