What percentage of a bad reputation are the jews themselves responsible for?

[Jay_Esbe]

Regarding the historical dislike of Jews as a group, what percentage of a bad reputation are the jews themselves responsible for?

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

I didn't choose a percentage. Jews, as a group, are somewhat responsible for their own reputation, as are all groups. This is a stupid question.

Ask any Jew if he or she is a group.

They will let you know they are an individual.

Are White People responsible for THEIR reputation?

Absurd.

[Jay_Esbe]

I didn't choose a percentage. Jews, as a group, are somewhat responsible for their own reputation, as are all groups. This is a stupid question.

It's not a stupid question at all.

Ask any Jew if he or she is a group.

Now THAT would be stupid.

They will let you know they are an individual.

Are White People responsible for THEIR reputation?

As a GROUP, FUCK YES!!!

What do you not get here. I ALWAYS take people as individuals. But a discussion of global politics and a conflct between GROUPS, SHOULD have made both the context of my question, and the fact that it's ANYTHING but stupid, self evident.

Absurd.

[Gerry]

Regarding the historical dislike of Jews as a group, what percentage of a bad reputation are the jews themselves responsible for?

That's a very loaded and inflamatory question Esbe. I would have rather had you exchange the word Jews with Israelis. That would have been very easy to answer. It would have been 90%
To generalize the whole population of Jews is, I believe, wrong. I know lots of very nice Jewish people and one of my best friends happens to be Israeli. My beef is primarily with Israel and their violence against its neighbors, particularly the Palestinians and now the Lebanese.

They need to be stopped before they destroy the world. Right now THEY determine foreign policy in America and the White House is full of Israelis.

[Jay_Esbe]

That's a very loaded and inflamatory question Esbe. I would have rather had you exchange the word Jews with Israelis. That would have been very easy to answer. It would have been 90%
To generalize the whole population of Jews is, I believe, wrong. I know lots of very nice Jewish people and one of my best friends happens to be Israeli. My beef is primarily with Israel and their violence against its neighbors, particularly the Palestinians and now the Lebanese.

They need to be stopped before they destroy the world. Right now THEY determine foreign policy in America and the White House is full of Israelis.

I know it's loaded and inflammatory. But it's the question I wanted the answer to because the answer I'm seeking, goes beyond either Israel, or the current conflict.

You know that I hold no ill-will to the Jews who do not support israel, so there is absolutely no prejudice in my asking a question which is intended to expose prejudice. And that is what it is.

[Gerry]

I know it's loaded and inflammatory. But it's the question I wanted the answer to because the answer I'm seeking, goes beyond either Israel, or the current conflict.

You know that I hold no ill-will to the Jews who do not support israel, so there is absolutely no prejudice in my asking a question which is intended to expose prejudice. And that is what it is.

I thought I did, so I was surprised at the question, hence my answer.
Okay......I'm going to pass on your vote but you get 90% if it pertains to the Israelis!!

BTW Did you see any of Kuni's videos..You need to see them.

Correction that's Klucker's videos!!!

[Neurobürger]

notions of 'collective guilt' only allow the true criminals to hide among the masses of bystanders and innocent

[Dingo]

Gerry. Right now THEY determine foreign policy in America

How about we try this. The Israeli lobby strongly influences some policies in the ME. They hardly have much to say about our policies toward China for instance.

the White House is full of Israelis
I think you mean Israelis officials enjoy unusual access to the BA. I don't know of Israelis actually working in the White House.

I think you can make the points you want to make about Israel and the Israel lobby without resorting to sloppy conspiratorial hyperbole.

[dewey189]

notions of 'collective guilt' only allow the true criminals to hide among the masses of bystanders and innocentI agree.

[Dingo]

notions of 'collective guilt' only allow the true criminals to hide among the masses of bystanders and innocent

So Neuro, how does that square with your idea of a "class enemy?"

[dewey189]

notions of 'collective guilt' only allow the true criminals to hide among the masses of bystanders and innocentSo Neuro, how does that square with your idea of a "class enemy?"I don't think it can be squared.

[mickey]

"Where do they get the right to preach to Israel?" Olmert said when asked about criticism from European capitals of Israeli military operations that have led to a heavy civilian toll.

"European countries attacked Kosovo and killed ten thousand civilians. Ten thousand! And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket.

"I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo. But please: Don't preach to us about the treatment of civilians."

[whitemajikman]

Israel is nothing more than a rogue state ........whom listens to no one..............and is controlled by a government with-in a government...........

the epitome of a terrorist state...........

The one state which taught the arab about terror early on in israels infancy...........

and which the arab has now adopted to fight this terrorist state..........

if you peel back the layers of propaganda what you find is that Israel is no better than any other rogue nation who will not listen to anyone and who will always do what it wants based soley on the events of 1939-45..............which Israel uses to condone it's barbarity which they learned from their former captors the nazis........

WMM

[donni]

That's a very loaded and inflamatory question Esbe. I would have rather had you exchange the word Jews with Israelis. That would have been very easy to answer. It would have been 90%
To generalize the whole population of Jews is, I believe, wrong. I know lots of very nice Jewish people and one of my best friends happens to be Israeli. My beef is primarily with Israel and their violence against its neighbors, particularly the Palestinians and now the Lebanese.

They need to be stopped before they destroy the world. Right now THEY determine foreign policy in America and the White House is full of Israelis.

righto, gerry. about the question, the israelis and our white house. this is unacceptable. i want american patriots- loyal to the dec of indy,the constitution, the bill of rights, the ideology of the statue of liberty and the people of the world (our destinies are the same), including americans in our white house-not zionists.

[donni]

notions of 'collective guilt' only allow the true criminals to hide among the masses of bystanders and innocent

i don't think this is necessarily true. 'collective guilt' does do that as the evil events are actually happening- but as a remedy after the fact- later when the facts are established, it is justice of a sort, only right -ya know what i mean?.

[Dingo]

"Where do they get the right to preach to Israel?" Olmert said when asked about criticism from European capitals of Israeli military operations that have led to a heavy civilian toll.

"European countries attacked Kosovo and killed ten thousand civilians. Ten thousand! And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket.

"I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo. But please: Don't preach to us about the treatment of civilians."
Putting aside the justice of that war the comparison is really apples and oranges. The Serbians were perceived as engaging in on going ethnic cleansing in Europe's backyard and there was the fear that Serbian policies left unchecked would lead to a wider regional conflict.

[Gerry]

Israel is not only stifle-ing ANY dissent against its illegal conduct by constantly screaming "anti-sematism" it has become an abuse to all the holocaust victims who died. Like Fisk says, "keep it up and the word "anti-semitism" becomes respectable. Of course there ARE real anti--semites who would burn synagogues and destroy Jewish cemetaries......we need to know the difference. But there will always be those who use it as a tool with which to attack people. Even on this forum.
But Israel has used it freely for the past 60 years and it has abused the holocaust in whatever way it can. Germany recently gave Israel TWO submarines FREE OF CHARGE,.,.....Israel then stated they wanted to 'buy" another. When Germany quoted a price, they reacted shocked and told Germany they'd pay 1/3rd of the price. This is 60 years AFTER the war and millions and millions in reperations. There is NO end to Israeli demands.

Do we hear from the Gypsy/Roma people who, percentage wise were killed in higher numbers? They do not want anyone to speak for them......they are not milking it for whatever they can. Are we hearing from the Armenians who suffered a holocaust at the ahnds of the Turks?

The world is being held hostage by a group of fanatics who are doing the Jewish causes greater harm than good. Jews around the world have realized for a long time that Israel has become an albatros around their necks they can ill afford.
Yet, our media pays no attention to those and certainly no attention to the large Israeli Peace movements which Israel itself works very hard to marginalize.

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

Israel is not only stifle-ing ANY dissent against its illegal conduct by constantly screaming "anti-sematism" it has become an abuse to all the holocaust victims who died. Like Fisk says, "keep it up and the word "anti-semitism" becomes respectable. Of course there ARE real anti--semites who would burn synagogues and destroy Jewish cemetaries......we need to know the difference. But there will always be those who use it as a tool with which to attack people. Even on this forum.
But Israel has used it freely for the past 60 years and it has abused the holocaust in whatever way it can. Germany recently gave Israel TWO submarines FREE OF CHARGE,.,.....Israel then stated they wanted to 'buy" another. When Germany quoted a price, they reacted shocked and told Germany they'd pay 1/3rd of the price. This is 60 years AFTER the war and millions and millions in reperations. There is NO end to Israeli demands.

Do we hear from the Gypsy/Roma people who, percentage wise were killed in higher numbers? They do not want anyone to speak for them......they are not milking it for whatever they can. Are we hearing from the Armenians who suffered a holocaust at the ahnds of the Turks?

The world is being held hostage by a group of fanatics who are doing the Jewish causes greater harm than good. Jews around the world have realized for a long time that Israel has become an albatros around their necks they can ill afford.
Yet, our media pays no attention to those and certainly no attention to the large Israeli Peace movements which Israel itself works very hard to marginalize.

So Gerry, is it "anti-semitism" to say Hitler had the right idea?

Bertrand says it.

[Bertrand]

So Gerry, is it "anti-semitism" to say Hitler had the right idea?

Bertrand says it.


The 'fuckstick' gone berserk... You are laughable... nice to see you in one of your usual convulsions, flake!

[Gerry]

The 'fuckstick' gone berserk... You are laughable... nice to see you in one of your usual convulsions, flake!


Please ignore the man. I don't even want to see his handle, let alone what he spouts. He needs to get laid more, that'll cure his problem

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

Please ignore the man. I don't even want to see his handle, let alone what he spouts. He needs to get laid more, that'll cure his problem

Getting laid will cure me from calling people on wanting all Jews dead?

I don't think so, Genocidal Gerry.

I don't think so.

[Gerry]

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