At this point would it be better for the world for Israel to be defeated?

[Jay_Esbe]

At this point would it be better for the world for Israel to be defeated?

Weigh in. I offer a resounding (Yet still regretable) YES as my answer. The collective guilt of Israel is overwhelming, and a "victory" by them would be as bad as a victory by Hitler would have been for the world, for EXACTLY the same reasons.

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

No.

You're painfully naive if you think Israel's defeat would be good for the world.

Almost as naive as you are for thinking Israel is the problem here.

[Jay_Esbe]

No.

You're painfully naive if you think Israel's defeat would be good for the world.

Almost as naive as you are for thinking Israel is the problem here.

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't know what your opinion is.

[Gerry]

That doesn't mean that Israel ceases to exist. What it means it that it needs to abide by International law like every other country. That it refrain from illegal invasions and occupations and learns to accept and respect its neighbors like they themselves demand to be respected.
Respect is earned not demanded with military might.

[mickey]

Israel needs to win. I hope that no one else is killed but that Israel has been humbled to some degree. The arrogance of military superiority on the part of the US and Israel has to a large degree led to the current state of instability, IMO. I never thought I'd yearn for the days of d'etente.

[Linda Wood]

It depends on what you mean by "defeated." Clobbered? Bombed out of existence? I hope not for the sake of the innocent people of Israel, just as I hope Israel will not continue to try to defeat Hezbollah by bombing the innocent people of Lebanon. But if you mean disenfranchised, I would say yes. I believe, unless someone can explain to me how this benefits anyone, I believe the entire State of Israel concept should be reexamined with down to earth means testing, i.e., how much is this costing in the lives of innocent people and U.S. tax dollars. I believe the answer will be, too damned much.

What to do then? Settle it. U.S. taxpayers in charge and arranging settlement, and I mean financial settlement as well as moving people. The whole project was a bad idea.

[Gerry]

Israel needs to win. I hope that no one else is killed but that Israel has been humbled to some degree. The arrogance of military superiority on the part of the US and Israel has to a large degree led to the current state of instability, IMO. I never thought I'd yearn for the days of d'etente.

The offender who breaks internationmal laws, will never win. I'm surprised that you say they should. No one of good will is on their side. Israel will never be humbled until it is forced of all illegally occupied land and held accountible for all its misdeeds.

[Mark]

I hope both sides lose so that they realize that a compromise needs to be forged.

[Jay_Esbe]

What I mean by "defeated" :

And end to the government. And end to their Aparthide. And end to the notion of an artifically maintained "Ethnic purity" by the oppression of the rightful native inhabitants.

I mean "surrender", and a permanent peace based on reparations, social justice, and EQUALITY of all men.

Micky -and others-: I believe Israel now needs to be defeated for EXACTLY the same reason the United States needed to be defeated in Iraq: "Victory" only feeds the monster. And it IS a monster in every sense of the word.

But rest assured, although I believe I am morally correct in this assessment, I do not believe it will happen. What I believe WILL happen, is an all-out regional war which results in Bush imposing a "final solution" to "The Arab problem" which has come to mirror the "Jewish Problem" Hitler dealt with, in every moral parameter.

Israel and the United States have already lost this war by any possible "conventional" means. The whole world stands against Israel and it's enabler (US). I view this situation as though Hitler had 6,000 100 megaton war heads at his disposal, his back to the wall.

You will probably get what you think you want before this is over. You'll have perhaps a second or two of recognition before the end. You people do not what you do. Some of you anyway. Others are "different" and do know (Like Lib).

[Bertrand]

No.

You're painfully naive if you think Israel's defeat would be good for the world.

Almost as naive as you are for thinking Israel is the problem here.

Thus spake the flake...

Btw, how are your writing skills doing, 'fuckstick'?

[Jay_Esbe]

I wish someone would issue this poll world wide. I have no doubt as to the results.

[Gerry]

At this point many Jews around the world are calling Israel and "albatros" they just as soon not have. In Belgium a Rabi is demanding that Israel be indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Jews around the world realize that Israel is becoming a liability for THEM. And they are speaking out very loudly in Europe.

[Bertrand]

I wish someone would issue this poll world wide. I have no doubt as to the results.

Was there any doubt... in your mind about a poll worldwide... including those nations who for political survival... reasons (in the Arab world) pretend to be on Bush's side.

And hey, the world is not like this forum moderated by a moron closet Zionist like Lib... just like his 'leader' GWB.

They may even win your poll at this forum... and that's where they excel... in lying, deception, forgery, trickery and orchestrating and spreading fear in the American public... depending on those feeble minds, the uninformed, the gullible... and those brainwashed enablers like the Libs and Dumbos of the nation.

Frankly I won't be surprised at all.

Too many suckers have been constantly posting recently... telling me that their idols are indeed a bit aware that they can no more hide... in our modern times.

[Linda Wood]

Fair &Balanced,
I recognize that you are right, that solving this is not going to happen by people like me saying, divide up the land, allow Palestinians to have their land that was taken illegally, bring in the experts, everyone shouts for a while, and then everyone shakes hands and goes to their own farm or apartment resigned to the settlement imposed by the American taxpayers' Union, or something like that. I'm conscious that I'm out of my depth.

But I am also conscious that this is a vicious circle that threatens the survival of the planet and the solvency of our country, including our ability to clean up our air and survive, ultimately. So this must end. How to do it? I wonder if putting an end to the funding of the Israeli government would take care of it, as the peace loving people of Israel would agree to compromise and co-exist with the peace loving people of Palestine in some way or other. It's the crazed thugs on both sides that we fund, of course.

As to those unfunded thugs on both sides then, how about Crawford? How about a killing field in which all the people who have nothing left to live for but hated and revenge can play it out in any fashion they want, on the farm of the Bush gang? If he wants to arm them, let him fund it out of his considerable Carlyle funds. He can afford it. That's where our tax dollars eventually wind up in all of this. Let him spend it.

[Bertrand]

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't know what your opinion is.

The flake only cares for the fictitious characters he creates and improving his writing skills... the rest is not his forte... he has no clue of right and wrong.

[mickey]

The flake only cares for the fictitious characters he creates and improving his writing skills... the rest is not his forte... he has no clue of right and wrong.Fictitious characters, Jeremy?

[Bertrand]

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't know what your opinion is.

Funny, i learned the word fuckstick from that flake... and use it on the net elsewhere too. I owe it to him.