Reason #10 The Joos Will Lose The War

[Contumacious]

They don't know how to use tanks:


http://www.antiwar.com/photos/tank-down.jpg

[Bubba2]

Fuckin' Hymies are a JOKE!!! Even with Apache Helicopters, 155 Howitzers, Tanks, F-16's and air/fuel munitions, they're STILL getting their asses KICKED!!! You won't hear about it in the zionist MSM.

[Mark]

While many of you believe the IDF specifically targets civilians, I say that the reason they are not "winning the war" is precisely because they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. Think about Dresden or Hiroshima. That is how a war is decisively won, as abhorrent as those examples are. If Israel wanted a decisive victory, they would be conducting themselves far more ruthlessly.

[Bubba2]

While many of you believe the IDF specifically targets civilians, I say that the reason they are not "winning the war" is precisely because they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. Think about Dresden or Hiroshima. That is how a war is decisively won, as abhorrent as those examples are. If Israel wanted a decisive victory, they would be conducting themselves far more ruthlessly.

That's why they'll lose. They'd have to employ their 400 nukes and kill over a BILLION of the 1.4 billion Muslims.

[Mark]

That's why they'll lose. They'd have to employ their 400 nukes and kill over a BILLION of the 1.4 billion Muslims.

See my post on "What did they expect." You are probably right in this regard...

[Bertrand]

While many of you believe the IDF specifically targets civilians, I say that the reason they are not "winning the war" is precisely because they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. Think about Dresden or Hiroshima. That is how a war is decisively won, as abhorrent as those examples are. If Israel wanted a decisive victory, they would be conducting themselves far more ruthlessly.

You are living in fantasy... if you think a Dresden or Hiroshima will be accepted by the overwhelming number of nations or people on this planet to solve this issue of arrogance and unbounded materialism over human lives.

Then for sure the tiny Israel will not be forever acepted by the rest of the world for that would prove without a doubt that these crazed Zionist leadership neither has any humanity nor know any limits... in their dangerous arrogant materialistic ambitious pursuit threatening the entire world! That can't be allowed to reach a dangerous point... for just 6 millions of people... getting the world of 6 billion... to the brink of disaster.

It behooves for reasonable people to see things in the right scale, and. proportion.

One Universal Law that we all need to be aware of... if this world is going to survive in our modern times of hi-tech tools and wmds.

"YOU CAN HAVE WHAT YOU WANT... BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL THAT YOU WANT"!

That Law is inviolable no matter how arrogantly powerful a nation may be... YES THAT INCLUDES the state of Israel and America... too!

[Mark]

You are living in fantasy... if you think a Dresden or Hiroshima will be accepted by the overwhelming number of nations or people on this planet.

Then for sure the tiny Israel will not be forever acepted by the rest of the world for that would prove without a doubt these crazed Zionist leadership neither has any humanity nor know any limits to their dangerous arrongant materialistic ambitions.

It behooves for reasonable people to see things in the right scale, and. proportion.

One Universal Law that we all need to be aware of... it this world is going to survive in our modern times of hi-tech tools and wmds.

"YOU CAN HAVE WHAT YOU WANT... BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL THAT YOU WANT"!

That Law is inviolable no matter how arrogantly powerful a nation may be... YES THAT INCLUDES the state of Israel and America... too!

And that is precisely why they won't do it. I was responding to the gloating about how the IDF is not accomplishing it's goals. I don't think the world has forgotten or forgiven our atomic bombs, but somehow we all moved forward. Israel is trying to be surgical. That is not a defense of their actions, but just an observation. I don't think they are so dumb as to think that killing women and children will help them achieve their aims.

[Gerry]

While many of you believe the IDF specifically targets civilians, I say that the reason they are not "winning the war" is precisely because they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. Think about Dresden or Hiroshima. That is how a war is decisively won, as abhorrent as those examples are. If Israel wanted a decisive victory, they would be conducting themselves far more ruthlessly.

Israel has targeted whole apartment buildings in Gaza with upwards of 20 people in them, mostly womand and children just because they suspected it might house one no-goodnik, easily sacrificing those innocent civilians. The International community and Human Rights Watch have documented numerous occasions when Israel obliterated whole complexes to get one individual they "suspected" of foul play, without the rule of law. They therefore clearly do not "spare" the innocent nor have any qualms about targeting civilains, which Human Rights Watch currently claims they have evidence of.
Dresden was a war crime and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The German war was coming to and end, and much of Europe had already been liberated, when Churchill thought it might be cool to blow blow Dresden up just to make a statement. Dresden was of no strategic importance, exept that it was sheltering a large number of war refugees. It was targeted because of its large number of civilians in an attempt to have the Germans rise up against Naziism. What a crock! 135,000 people dead in a matter of hours . And all the bombers flew right over my head on their way to Dresden, all airraid sirens howling, all houses blacked out........and a few hours later they came back empty, to fly home. Dresden did not end the war and neither did Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those bombs were dropped simply to sent a message to Stalin...."look what we can do"...We were willing to sacrifice. About 240,000 innocent civilians were killed, most of them instantly and the other over a short period of time of radiation sickenss or cancer.
I do not believe you wish that on anyone. You didn;t think it through well enough before you wrote that.

[Mark]

Israel has targeted whole apartment buildings in Gaza with upwards of 20 people in them, mostly womand and children just because they suspected it might house one no-goodnik, easily sacrificing those innocent civilians. The International community and Human Rights Watch have documented numerous occasions when Israel obliterated whole complexes to get one individual they "suspected" of foul play, without the rule of law. They therefore clearly do not "spare" the innocent nor have any qualms about targeting civilains, which Human Rights Watch currently claims they have evidence of.
Dresden was a war crime and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The German war was coming to and end, and much of Europe had already been liberated, when Churchill thought it might be cool to blow blow Dresden up just to make a statement. Dresden was of no strategic importance, exept that it was sheltering a large number of war refugees. It was targeted because of its large number of civilians in an attempt to have the Germans rise up against Naziism. What a crock! 135,000 people dead in a matter of hours . And all the bombers flew right over my head on their way to Dresden, all airraid sirens howling, all houses blacked out........and a few hours later they came back empty, to fly home. Dresden did not end the war and neither did Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those bombs were dropped simply to sent a message to Stalin...."look what we can do"...We were willing to sacrifice. About 240,000 innocent civilians were killed, most of them instantly and the other over a short period of time of radiation sickenss or cancer.
I do not believe you wish that on anyone. You didn;t think it through well enough before you wrote that.

I do not wish it upon anyone. I mentioned that I felt these actions to be abhorrent. You may feel that we sent a message to Stalin (and I would agree), but I also believe that it was no coincidence that the Japanese surrendered not long after Nagasaki.

My comments strickly refer to the fact that Hezbollah is still able to fire rockets at Israel. "Winning the war," to me, means that Hezbollah has been neutralized as a fighting force (no longer able to fight back or at a minimum, pushed back far enough so the rockets no longer can strike major Israeli population centers). My comments are not value judgements.

[Gerry]

I do not wish it upon anyone. I mentioned that I felt these actions to be abhorrent. You may feel that we sent a message to Stalin (and I would agree), but I also believe that it was no coincidence that the Japanese surrendered not long after Nagasaki.


'They were in the process of surrendering. This is well known in the international world although we need to justify the bombings.

My comments strickly refer to the fact that Hezbollah is still able to fire rockets at Israel. "Winning the war," to me, means that Hezbollah has been neutralized as a fighting force (no longer able to fight back or at a minimum, pushed back far enough so the rockets no longer can strike major Israeli population centers). My comments are not value judgements.

Hebollah will never be neutralized, they are a legitimate resistance movement (no matter what Israel calls them) and will never allow Israeli aggression either in Lebanon or in GAZA. Rules of war are on their side not Israel. They cannot push Hezbollah back far enough to not reach Israel. Israel hasn't succeeded in gaining control over 3 km inside Lebanon. Israel should know better. They fought Hezbollah for 18 years and lost. the ONLY way to fight Hezbollah is to withdraw from Lebanon (including Sheeba Farms) and ALL Palestinian proper they have illegally occupied for the past 40 years and recognize that the Palestinians have a right to their own country. That is all these people want. And they are entitled to at least that. Israel needs to be held accountible for their violations of 65 U.N. Resolutions. Hezbollah has NONE!!!

[Mark]

'They were in the process of surrendering."

What does this mean exactly? Maybe the Japanese felt they had some leverage in order to negotiate a cease-fire and the bombings clarified the situation for them.

[Jay_Esbe]

While many of you believe the IDF specifically targets civilians, I say that the reason they are not "winning the war" is precisely because they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. Think about Dresden or Hiroshima. That is how a war is decisively won, as abhorrent as those examples are. If Israel wanted a decisive victory, they would be conducting themselves far more ruthlessly.

It is ironic that you mention Dresdan because I just saw what they did yesterday and I thought to myself "This is what we did to Dresdan". Dresdan by the way, was entirely unneccesary and in fact, a War Crime.

[mickey]

Israel won't lose this war; they'll ramp it up as much as they have to to win. They have always won their wars.

[Mark]

It is ironic that you mention Dresdan because I just saw what they did yesterday and I thought to myself "This is what we did to Dresdan". Dresdan by the way, was entirely unneccesary and in fact, a War Crime.

The atomic bomb attacks on Japan have completely overshadowed Dresdan. I think the horror of one bomb and 100,000 deaths scared everyone so much that it's equivalent outcome (100,000 deaths by multiple bombs) at Dresdan seemed to pale in comparison.

[Gerry]

'They were in the process of surrendering."

After the USSR entered the conflict Germany was finished. and they knew it. Most of Europe in early 1945 had already been liberated by the allies. So WHY bomb Dresden. What was the reason. It didn;t hasten anything. The war was already finished.

What does this mean exactly? Maybe the Japanese felt they had some leverage in order to negotiate a cease-fire and the bombings clarified the situation for them.

There were indeed negotiations going on and there was absolutely no reason to believe they were going to extend their aggressions. Germany had lost . They had lost. So they negotiated in order to safe some face. That was all. These are war crimes and history has documented them as such.

[Jay_Esbe]

The atomic bomb attacks on Japan have completely overshadowed Dresdan. I think the horror of one bomb and 100,000 deaths scared everyone so much that it's equivalent outcome (100,000 deaths by multiple bombs) at Dresdan seemed to pale in comparison.

That's certainly true, but I don't find it especially relevant. I just pray it doesn't BECOME relevant. I have a very sickening feeling it will at some point. I believe that Bush is probably "The King of Fierce Countanence" written of in Daniel.

[Mark]

That's certainly true, but I don't find it especially relevant. I just pray it doesn't BECOME relevant. I have a very sickening feeling it will at some point. I believe that Bush is probably "The King of Fierce Countanence" written of in Daniel.

I also am praying about it all. I want a cease-fire and a deal cut between all the parties. It is a an unbelievable feeling of helplessness that comes over us all when we try to figure out how to solve the problem.

And that's just it, I can't...

[Gerry]

Many of us know that feeling....I wish it were different

[Bertrand]

Israel won't lose this war; they'll ramp it up as much as they have to to win. They have always won their wars.

That is the same FUCKED UP thinking that got the U.S. to this point.

Fuck you zealot Zionist!

You are part of the SCUM/PROBLEM... on this planet

[Gerry]

Israel won't lose this war; they'll ramp it up as much as they have to to win. They have always won their wars.

Yes they will....they lost in Lebanon after trying for 18 years. Their millitary hardware is meaningless. For every Hezbollah person they kill , 50 will take his place. They have already lost world-opinion. See Hezbollah, as a resistance movement has legitimacy on its side whereas Israel has 65 violations of U.N. Resolution for breaking interntational law. Illegal invasion and occupations are against the law. Legitimate resistance movements are under the Geneva Convention perfectly lawful. So they have absolutely NO legitimacy which is why they have to resort to PR campaigns or lies and deception. Accuse others of the thing THEY themselves do. Like using people as human shields.