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mickey
08-02-2006, 05:39 PM
As written by a progressive Jewish American in The Nation:

AIPAC's Hold

by ARI BERMAN

[posted online on July 29, 2006]

In early March, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) held its forty-seventh annual conference in Washington. AIPAC's executive director spent twenty-seven minutes reading the "roll call" of dignitaries present at the gala dinner, which included a majority of the Senate and a quarter of the House, along with dozens of Administration officials.

As this event illustrates, it's impossible to talk about Congress's relationship to Israel without highlighting AIPAC, the American Jewish community's most important voice on the Hill. The Congressional reaction to Hezbollah's attack on Israel and Israel's retaliatory bombing of Lebanon provide the latest example of why.

On July 18, the Senate unanimously approved a nonbinding resolution "condemning Hamas and Hezbollah and their state sponsors and supporting Israel's exercise of its right to self-defense." After House majority leader John Boehner removed language from the bill urging "all sides to protect innocent civilian life and infrastructure," the House version passed by a landslide, 410 to 8.

AIPAC not only lobbied for the resolution; it had written it. "They [Congress] were given a resolution by AIPAC," said former Carter Administration National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who addressed the House Democratic Caucus on July 19. "They didn't prepare one."

AIPAC is the leading player in what is sometimes referred to as "The Israel Lobby"--a coalition that includes major Jewish groups, neoconservative intellectuals and Christian Zionists. With its impressive contacts among Hill staffers, influential grassroots supporters and deep connections to wealthy donors, AIPAC is the lobby's key emissary to Congress. But in many ways, AIPAC has become greater than just another lobby; its work has made unconditional support for Israel an accepted cost of doing business inside the halls of Congress. AIPAC's interest, Israel's interest and America's interest are today perceived by most elected leaders to be one and the same. Christian conservatives increasingly aligned with AIPAC demand unwavering support for Israel from their Republican leaders. (In mid-July, 3,000-plus evangelicals came to town for the first annual "Christian United for Israel" summit.) And Democrats are equally concerned about alienating Jewish voters and Jewish donors--long a cornerstone of their party. Some in Congress are deeply uncomfortable with AIPAC's militant worldview and heavyhanded tactics, but most dare not say so publicly.

"The Bush Administration is bad enough in tolerating measures they would not accept anywhere else but Israel," says Henry Siegman, the former head of the American Jewish Congress and a Middle East expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. "But the Congress, if anything, is urging the Administration on and criticizing them even at their most accommodating. When it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict, the terms of debate are so influenced by organized Jewish groups, like AIPAC, that to be critical of Israel is to deny oneself the ability to succeed in American politics."

There are a few internationalist Republicans in the Senate and progressive Democrats in the House who occasionally dissent. Representative Dennis Kucinich and twenty-three co-sponsors have offered a resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire and a return to multiparty diplomacy between the United States and regional powers, with no preconditions. But even the resolution's supporters admit it isn't likely to go anywhere. Another bill introduced by several Arab-American lawmakers that stressed the need to minimize civilian casualties on both sides was "politically swept under the rug," according to Representative Nick Rahall, a Lebanese-American Democrat from West Virginia who voted against the House resolution. Dovish American-Israeli groups, such as Americans for Peace Now, have largely stayed out of the fight.

The latest hawkish Congressional activity is primarily intended to show voters and potential donors that elected officials are unwavering friends of Israel and enemies of terrorism. "It's just for home consumption," said Representative Charlie Rangel, a powerful New York Democrat who signed on to Kucinich's resolution. "We don't have the support of countries that support us! What the hell are we going to do, bomb Iran? Bomb Syria?" His colleagues, said Rahall, "were trying to out-AIPAC AIPAC."

Discussion in Congress quickly widened beyond Israel to include a broader policy of confrontation toward the entire Middle East. Congressmen sent a flurry of "dear colleague" letters to one another, hoping to pressure the Administration into tightening sanctions on Syria and Iran, Hezbollah's two main state sponsors. Former Middle East envoy Dennis Ross addressed a packed AIPAC-sponsored luncheon on the Hill, where, according to one aide present, Ross told the room: "This is all about Syria and Iran...we shouldn't be condemning Israel now." Said Representative Robert Andrews, a Democrat from New Jersey and co-chair of the Iran Working Group, which this week hosted an official from the Israeli embassy: "I concur completely with that approach."

Democrats, as they did during the Dubai ports scandal, used the crisis to score a few cheap, easy political points against the Bush Administration. The new prime minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki, found himself engulfed in a Congressional firestorm after he denounced Israel's attacks on Lebanon as an act of "aggression." Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Rahm Emanuel, who volunteered in Israel during the first Gulf War, called on Maliki to cancel his planned address before Congress. Asked Senator Chuck Schumer, who skipped Maliki's July 26 speech: "Which side is he on when it comes to the war on terror?" Howard Dean one upped his colleagues, labeling Maliki an "anti-Semite" during a speech in Palm Beach, Florida.

Ironically, during the 2004 campaign Dean called on the United States to be an "evenhanded" broker in the Middle East. That position enraged party leaders such as House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, who signed a letter attacking his remarks. "It was designed to send a message: No one ever does this again," says M.J. Rosenberg of the center-left Israel Policy Forum. "And no one has. The only safe thing to say is: I support Israel." In April a representative from AIPAC called Congresswoman Betty McCollum's vote against a draconian bill severely curtailing aid to the Palestinian Authority "support for terrorists."

Not surprisingly, most in Congress see far more harm than reward in getting in the Israeli lobby's way. "There remains a perception of power and fear that AIPAC can undo you," says James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute. He points to the defeats of Representative Paul Findley and Senator Charles Percy in the 1980s and Representatives Cynthia McKinney and Earl Hilliard in 2002, when AIPAC steered large donors to their opponents. Even if AIPAC's make-you-or-break-you reputation is largely a myth, in an election year that perception is potent. Thirty-six pro-Israel PACs gave $3.14 million to candidates in the 2004 election cycle. Rahall said his opponent for re-election issued his first press release of the campaign after Rahall voted against the House resolution. "Everybody knew what would happen if they didn't vote yes," he says.

AIPAC continues to enjoy deep bipartisan backing inside Congress even after two top AIPAC officials were indicted a year ago for allegedly accepting and passing on confidential national security secrets from a Defense Department analyst. "The US and Israel share a lot of basic common values. The vast majority of the American people not only support Israel's actions against Hezbollah but also the fundamental US-Israel relationship, and the bipartisan support in Congress reflects that," says AIPAC spokesman Josh Block. Rosenberg, himself a former AIPAC staffer, puts it another way: "This is the one issue on which liberals are permitted, even expected, by donors to be mindless hawks."

By blindly following AIPAC, Congress reinforces a hard-line consensus: Criticizing Israeli actions, even in the best of faith, is anti-Israel and possibly anti-Semitic; enthusiastically backing whatever military action Israel undertakes is the only acceptable stance.

Recent Gallup polls show that half of Americans support Israel's military campaign, yet 65 percent believe the United States should not take sides in the conflict. But it's hard to imagine any Congress, or subsequent Administration, returning to the role of honest broker. What the region needs now, according to Brzezinski, is an American leader brave enough to say: "Either I make policy on the Middle East or AIPAC makes policy on the Middle East." One can always dream.

Jay_Esbe
08-02-2006, 05:54 PM
As written by a progressive Jewish American in The Nation:

If you keep going like this, you're going to get sent to the Anti-Semite club by Lib. Thanks for posting it.

mickey
08-02-2006, 06:02 PM
If you keep going like this, you're going to get sent to the Anti-Semite club by Lib. Thanks for posting it.For some reason, Lib doesn't seem to realize that Jews can be opposed to wanton slaughter even if committed by Jews, and that Jews can also be opposed to the actions of the Israeli government just like Americans can be opposed to the actions of the US government. He just has to look at how feels about the BA to understand how others might feel about the Israeli government actions. He doesn't like being called anti-American so he shouldn't interpret all criticism of Israeli government action as anti-Semitism. I personally treasure Israel and am critical about its recent actions for the very reason that I think that Israel is doing the wrong thing for Israel.

Trent
08-02-2006, 07:11 PM
For some reason, Lib doesn't seem to realize that Jews can be opposed to wanton slaughter even if committed by Jews, and that Jews can also be opposed to the actions of the Israeli government just like Americans can be opposed to the actions of the US government. He just has to look at how feels about the BA to understand how others might feel about the Israeli government actions. He doesn't like being called anti-American so he shouldn't interpret all criticism of Israeli government action as anti-Semitism. I personally treasure Israel and am critical about its recent actions for the very reason that I think that Israel is doing the wrong thing for Israel.That's the most rational post I think I've seen from you on any subject so far.

It's not just AIPAC. Don't forget about these people (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=116). They'll probably be worse than AIPAC once they're completely organized.

Lib
08-03-2006, 12:49 AM
For some reason, Lib doesn't seem to realize that Jews can be opposed to wanton slaughter even if committed by Jews, and that Jews can also be opposed to the actions of the Israeli government just like Americans can be opposed to the actions of the US government. He just has to look at how feels about the BA to understand how others might feel about the Israeli government actions. He doesn't like being called anti-American so he shouldn't interpret all criticism of Israeli government action as anti-Semitism. I personally treasure Israel and am critical about its recent actions for the very reason that I think that Israel is doing the wrong thing for Israel.
Mickey, I assure you I am opposed to wanton slaughter no matter who does it. I take words very seriously and I would like to examine yours for their clear meanings.

wan·ton ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wntn)
adj.
1. Immoral or unchaste; lewd.
2. a. Gratuitously cruel; merciless.
b. Marked by unprovoked, gratuitous maliciousness; capricious and unjust: wanton destruction.
3. Unrestrainedly excessive: wanton extravagance; wanton depletion of oil reserves.
I don't know how you justify using that term. Pick the precise meaning that fits so I'll know.

I'm sure you are troubled as am I by the many civilian deaths. It doesn't take much imagination to picture the horror of the innocent laid dead or maimed by Israeli actions and though I have never been to war I am quite clear on what death is.

Israel killed these people. Is Israel morally responsible for these deaths? Is Israel legally responsible for these deaths?

A quick review of the facts is helpful.

Hezbollah is an illegal army on the soil of a sovereign state. A sovereign state is not supposed to permit an army to exist within it country. Think of any legitimate nation allowing such a thing. In Somalia we called such organizations private militias and their leaders warlords. That is the situation here as well.

Lebanon has an obligation under international law to disarm and disband Hezbollah. See SCR 1559. Lebanon has refused to act upon its obligation and has allowed Hezbollah not only to remain on its land but to build up its arms and fortifications, its communications and its command and control. Hezbollah had amassed something like 14,000 Katyusha rockets with which to hit Israeli cities alone, apart from all its other munitions and equipment. The arms come, illegally, and are not stopped from entering the country by Lebanon, from Syria and Iran. Their reputations for terrorism have been earned.

Lebanon has allowed the leader of this illegal army to reside on its soil and command his army under their noses. All Lebanon would have had to do is use its army to assert its obligation as a nation-state and by UN decree to disarm and disband this illegal private army and there would have been no war. Instead, Hezbollah started a war with Israel which has resulted in the deaths of numerous Lebanese and some Israelis and other nationalities as well.

Lebanon bears moral and legal responsibility for the war by its inaction in keeping its territory free from the private army of Hamas.

The Lebanese government recognizes that the war was started by Hezbollah. I listened to their government spokesman make this statement today and I can find it if you insist. AFAIK, all Arab governments accept that Hezbollah started the war.

Hezbollah bears moral and legal responsibility for starting the war. Naturally, Gerry and Bubba and Esbe will give you the Hezbollah version that they are pure as the driven snow.

Israel has to fight Hezbollah where it is. I presume you read the article and saw the pictures proving that Hezbollah wears civilian clothing and shoots at Israelis from the cities? I presume you saw the Israeli surveillance drone video that shows Hezbollah firing rockets from the Lebanese towns? These actions are illegal. They constitute the use of human shields which is forbidden under international law. Do you doubt that Hezbollah is doing exactly that?

Okay, so Israel watches the launch of a Katyusha from a particular spot in a town. What is it permtted to do and what is it not permitted to do? Obviously, blowing up the whole town would be indiscriminate, wanton and a violation of international law. But what if Israel can quickly compute the location of the rocket launch and call in a smart bomb to strike that very spot? It is in a town remember. Well here the matter is subjective. While Israel is obliged to take all necessary precautions to safeguard innocent civilians, it is using a generally precise smart bomb, and, here's the kicker, must be sure "the risks to the civilian population in undertaking any such attack do not outweigh the anticipated military benefit." Think about that, "the expected military benefit."

What is the expected military benefit of eliminating a crew, rockets and a launcher that are being used to fire at Israeli cities? Considerable I would say. You? Can you say that the Israelis, in fidelity to this condition of international law, are not considering the risks to civilians and weighing them against the value of destroying the military objective? Much as I hate innocent death, I don't think I can. Much as you hate innocent death I don't believe you honestly can either.

So are you willing to recognize that Israel's smart-bomb targeting of rocket launches, even in towns, is as surgical a war-fighting technique as is possible, and that Hezbollah's firing rockets from those selfsame towns is a despicable, illegal and cowardly war-fighting means? I think it is and I can't imagine you would argue otherwise.

What we have is another illustration of why wars must not be started. They sure as hell should not be started by illegal private armies. Wars kill people and mostly, they kill the innocent.

As to who is reponsible for those deaths, it is Hezbollah in the first case and Lebanon to a lesser degree. Israel pulled the trigger but just as the cop might hit a civilian when aiming for a murderous felon, the fault is with the perp, not the cop. That means legally and morally.

I have barely touched here on Hezbollah's other atrocities.

Bubba2
08-03-2006, 12:56 AM
Mickey, I assure you I am opposed to wanton slaughter no matter who does it. I take words very seriously and I would like to examine yours for their clear meanings.


I have barely touched here on Hezbollah's other atrocities.

What a bunch of pure adulterated BULLSHIT!!!

There is NO excuse for the barbarism of IDF on foreign soil. There is no excuse for America to support that barbarism. NONE!!!

FUCK ISRAEL!!!

FUCK THE RADICAL LIKUD AND IDF!!!

FUCK HYMIES!!!

mickey
08-03-2006, 01:18 AM
Mickey, I assure you I am opposed to wanton slaughter no matter who does it. I take words very seriously and I would like to examine yours for their clear meanings.

wan·ton ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wntn)
adj.
1. Immoral or unchaste; lewd.


2.a. Gratuitously cruel; merciless.

b. Marked by unprovoked, gratuitous maliciousness; capricious and unjust: wanton destruction.
3. Unrestrainedly excessive: wanton extravagance; wanton depletion of oil reserves.

I don't know how you justify using that term. Pick the precise meaning that fits so I'll know.

I'm sure you are troubled as am I by the many civilian deaths. It doesn't take much imagination to picture the horror of the innocent laid dead or maimed by Israeli actions and though I have never been to war I am quite clear on what death is.

Israel killed these people. Is Israel morally responsible for these deaths? Is Israel legally responsible for these deaths?

A quick review of the facts is helpful.

Hezbollah is an illegal army on the soil of a sovereign state. A sovereign state is not supposed to permit an army to exist within it country. Think of any legitimate nation allowing such a thing. In Somalia we called such organizations private militias and their leaders warlords. That is the situation here as well.

Lebanon has an obligation under international law to disarm and disband Hezbollah. See SCR 1559. Lebanon has refused to act upon its obligation and has allowed Hezbollah not only to remain on its land but to build up its arms and fortifications, its communications and its command and control. Hezbollah had amassed something like 14,000 Katyusha rockets with which to hit Israeli cities alone, apart from all its other munitions and equipment. The arms come, illegally, and are not stopped from entering the country by Lebanon, from Syria and Iran. Their reputations for terrorism have been earned.

Lebanon has allowed the leader of this illegal army to reside on its soil and command his army under their noses. All Lebanon would have had to do is use its army to assert its obligation as a nation-state and by UN decree to disarm and disband this illegal private army and there would have been no war. Instead, Hezbollah started a war with Israel which has resulted in the deaths of numerous Lebanese and some Israelis and other nationalities as well.

Lebanon bears moral and legal responsibility for the war by its inaction in keeping its territory free from the private army of Hamas.

The Lebanese government recognizes that the war was started by Hezbollah. I listened to their government spokesman make this statement today and I can find it if you insist. AFAIK, all Arab governments accept that Hezbollah started the war.

Hezbollah bears moral and legal responsibility for starting the war. Naturally, Gerry and Bubba and Esbe will give you the Hezbollah version that they are pure as the driven snow.

Israel has to fight Hezbollah where it is. I presume you read the article and saw the pictures proving that Hezbollah wears civilian clothing and shoots at Israelis from the cities? I presume you saw the Israeli surveillance drone video that shows Hezbollah firing rockets from the Lebanese towns? These actions are illegal. They constitute the use of human shields which is forbidden under international law. Do you doubt that Hezbollah is doing exactly that?

Okay, so Israel watches the launch of a Katyusha from a particular spot in a town. What is it permtted to do and what is it not permitted to do? Obviously, blowing up the whole town would be indiscriminate, wanton and a violation of international law. But what if Israel can quickly compute the location of the rocket launch and call in a smart bomb to strike that very spot? It is in a town remember. Well here the matter is subjective. While Israel is obliged to take all necessary precautions to safeguard innocent civilians, it is using a generally precise smart bomb, and, here's the kicker, must be sure "the risks to the civilian population in undertaking any such attack do not outweigh the anticipated military benefit." Think about that, "the expected military benefit."

What is the expected military benefit of eliminating a crew, rockets and a launcher that are being used to fire at Israeli cities? Considerable I would say. You? Can you say that the Israelis, in fidelity to this condition of international law, are not considering the risks to civilians and weighing them against the value of destroying the military objective? Much as I hate innocent death, I don't think I can. Much as you hate innocent death I don't believe you honestly can either.

So are you willing to recognize that Israel's smart-bomb targeting of rocket launches, even in towns, is as surgical a war-fighting technique as is possible, and that Hezbollah's firing rockets from those selfsame towns is a despicable, illegal and cowardly war-fighting means? I think it is and I can't imagine you would argue otherwise.

What we have is another illustration of why wars must not be started. They sure as hell should not be started by illegal private armies. Wars kill people and mostly, they kill the innocent.

As to who is reponsible for those deaths, it is Hezbollah in the first case and Lebanon to a lesser degree. Israel pulled the trigger but just as the cop might hit a civilian when aiming for a murderous felon, the fault is with the perp, not the cop. That means legally and morally.

I have barely touched here on Hezbollah's other atrocities.1. What is your take on the article? 2. I understand your stridency, but do you really feel that there's no legitimacy to saying that Israel is taking a viewpoint towards the lives of Lebanese civilians that they would not countenance if it were their civilians?

Lib
08-03-2006, 03:19 AM
What a bunch of pure adulterated BULLSHIT!!!

There is NO excuse for the barbarism of IDF on foreign soil. There is no excuse for America to support that barbarism. NONE!!!

FUCK ISRAEL!!!

FUCK THE RADICAL LIKUD AND IDF!!!

FUCK HYMIES!!!
Don't you mean Kikes, tiger?

mickey
08-03-2006, 05:07 AM
Don't you mean Kikes, tiger?Instead of responding to Bubba's latest idiocy, which I ignored, kindly respond to my questions.

Jay_Esbe
08-03-2006, 05:51 AM
1. What is your take on the article? 2. I understand your stridency, but do you really feel that there's no legitimacy to saying that Israel is taking a viewpoint towards the lives of Lebanese civilians that they would not countenance if it were their civilians?

FYI: http://forums.ariannaonline.com/showthread.php?t=44880

Trent
08-03-2006, 01:46 PM
Don't you mean Kikes, tiger?
For people like me who don't know exactly what all of these words means...
Kike or Kyke is a derogatory term used chiefly in the United States to refer to a Jew.

Use of the term is strongly discouraged in formal communication by editors in most major English-speaking media outlets, with the exception of direct quotes and references to the term's use, history, and impact.

The Interactive Dictionary of Racial Language refers to the term as "one of the most widespread racial slurs of American origin" and "certainly the king of the pejorative terms for Jews." [1]

However, it should be noted that "Kike" is a legitimate formal first name (with different etymology) in some languages, such as Dutch and Spanish. For example, multiple-Grammy award winning Colombian composer, Kike Santander[2].

Etymology

Use of the term in print dates from the early 1900s. There are a number of theories regarding the origin of the term, the most popular and best historically-backed being:

* That it began as a form of Jewish differentiation before being universalized as a slur. Hypothesized to derive from a Yiddish term for "circle" (koykel or kikel), a mark often written by Jews not able to write using Latin characters on documents, parallel to the "x" mark used in Western culture, which was seen by many Jews as a Christian cross.

Other theories include:

* That the term is derived from the Latin word caeca ("blind"), coming from Pope Clement VIII's declamation of the "blind obstinacy" of the Jews.

* That it was originally used by Western European Jewish immigrants to denigrate Eastern European Jews (whose surnames often ended in -(s)ky) or -(s)ki), and later by many mainstream (mostly non-Jewish) Americans.

* That the term derives from the German kieken, which means "to peep." P. Tamony, quoted in Cassell's Dictionary, claims that Jewish clothing manufacturers "peeped" at fancy European haute couture, and then made cheap knock-offs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

mickey
08-04-2006, 08:24 AM
Lib, now that you're back, want to give your take on the article?

Lib
08-04-2006, 08:28 AM
Lib, now that you're back, want to give your take on the article?
I'm leaving again but I'll superficially mention that I think we give too much to Israel and I think this lobbying organization like virtually all of them gets its way much too much.

Don't want to give you the wrong idea though. I support aid to Israel as well as to Palestine, Egypt and Jordan, in the M.E. Exactly how much and for what are the important details to me.