Iran Must Develop An Atomic Bomb And Test It in Tel Aviv

[Contumacious]

The Gaza Beach Party Massacre
Israel bombs beach-goers and re-invades Gaza – because they can (http://antiwar.com/justin/)

by Justin Raimondo

The pretext under which the Israelis have re-invaded the Gaza Strip speaks volumes about the mentality of the settler state and those who hold it up as an exemplar of heroic virtue worthy of American support: one of their soldiers, Gilad Shalit, was kidnapped, and so, of course, this justified taking out half the Strip's electrical grid – a form of "collective punishment" that will result in the deaths of young innocents, as the water-purification facilities for many thousands are knocked out. The Israeli leadership firmly believes that the life of one of their own is worth more than hundreds of Palestinians, young or old, fighters or bystanders, guilty or innocent. This is the message they are sending to their antagonists in Hamas and Fatah, and, in an interview with Abu Abir, a leader of the "Popular Resistance Committees," it is quite clear that this message has been received:

[Sam Ayyam]

You'd think the Israelis would have learned that collective punishment is an unacceptable Final Solution.

[Contumacious]

You'd think the Israelis would have learned that collective punishment is an unacceptable Final Solution.


Unfortunately , it don't work that way. In their way of thinking the NAZI's could not slaughter them but the Talmudists are free to massacre Palestinians because their benefactor George Bush approves the same.

If Syria, Egypt and Iran were to come to the Palestinians' defense the cocksucker in chief would intervene on behalf of the Jews .

And so it fucking goes.

[Macman]

Sounds like one big WAH!

[Contumacious]

So because the military isn't effeminate enough for you, that means everyone coming out of basic training is a mindless robot? Get real.

Sounds like one big WAH!



My point precisely. To Robots reason sound like a big WAH.

[Kuni]

Iran Must Develop An Atomic Bomb And Test It in Tel AvivJoJo, Macman and badnews4thetruth are running Iran? It sure sounds like they are with that Headline.


Contumacious; you should not be sinking to their level of barbarism.

[Contumacious]

JoJo, Macman and badnews4thetruth are running Iran? It sure sounds like they are with that Headline.


Contumacious; you should not be sinking to their level of barbarism.

Consider the following facts:

A) The Palestinians have been terrorized since the mid 1920's

B) The US has been subsidizing the ethnic cleansing since 1948 to the tune of 4 to 6 BBBBBillion dollars per year.

C) Our continuing support of the Palestinian Holocaust provoked the attacked perpetrated on 09/11/. - Read Usamah's infidels speech

WHEN is enough enough?

[Kuni]

WHEN is enough enough?All we have to do is tell Israel that they will get no more $ or support from us if they refuse to move back to the 67 borders and if it refuses to give up its evil ways. As a matter of fact, we should get the world to impose full sanctions Israel till it does this.

That is where our efforts should be focused; not on some Rightwing loony-toon solution like “Nuke the fuckers, bury them with their asses up and use them for runway lights and bicycle racks.”

[Sam Ayyam]

All we have to do is tell Israel that they will get no more $ or support from us if they refuse to move back to the 67 borders and if it refuses to give up its evil ways. As a matter of fact, we should get the world to impose full sanctions Israel till it does this.

That is where our efforts should be focused; not on some Rightwing loony-toon solution like “Nuke the fuckers, bury them with their asses up and use them for runway lights and bicycle racks.”I thought he was just being hyperbolic, but with the antizionist crowd around here, it can be tough to tell.

Your idea would work if Israel were any common Banana Republic, but not only are they an ally, without our aid, they would become a much softer target for nations hostile to its existence. If we turn our backs on Israel, they will be pushed into the sea.

I think Northern Ireland is a better model. Problem is, our inept Administration only practices diplomacy at the muzzle of a gun. Clinton knew how to get it done: Shuttle diplomacy and just keep beating on the problem until there is a solution. Remember the Rabin-Arafat handshake? Not likely in Bushzarro World.

Yet another reason to throw the bastads out, this November, and especially in '08.

[Kuni]

Your idea would work if Israel were any common Banana Republic, but not only are they an ally, without our aid, they would become a much softer target for nations hostile to its existence. If we turn our backs on Israel, they will be pushed into the sea.Iraq was also once our ‘ally’. And I think that if push came to shove; Israel would return back to its borders. If it doesn’t; then it will show that it is as expansionist as Saddam was, and should be dealt with accordingly.

[Sam Ayyam]

Iraq was also once our ‘ally’. And I think that if push came to shove; Israel would return back to its borders. If it doesn’t; then it will show that it is as expansionist as Saddam was, and should be dealt with accordingly.I agree, but you're missing my point: Without US aid, Israel won't need borders. They will be destroyed.

The Green line is fair, and it's doable, but given the current extremism both in Israel and the US, such an equitable arrangement is unlikely for the moment. The US under Bush is no longer the honest broker it once was, but simply punishing Israel could severely degrade her ability to survive.

Sinn Fein was rejected by the Crown at first, but somehow Northern Ireland has quieted itself. Hamas deserves the same chance, and Israel can't go off half-cocked every time some nut blows up a pizza parlor. It's not going to happen overnight, and SOMEONE needs to commit to deescalation. There aren't many saints on either side. Nor were there in Northern Ireland.

[Kuni]

They will be destroyed.I doubt that there is any country that borders Israel that would go to war with them again; unless Israel continues down the path it is taking.

[Sam Ayyam]

I doubt that there is any country that borders Israel that would go to war with them again; unless Israel continues down the path it is taking.Not as long as we're propping them up, but you suggested closing the checkbook and imposing sanctions. Without US aid, Israel is not a viable state, and if she weakens, her neighbors will take advantage. Especially considering the chaos in Iraq. Talk about a pipeline for terrorists! Hell, Hamas can walk around in hairshirts holding olive branches and just laugh while others do the dirty work.

Engagement is what solved the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Irish Troubles, and Egyptian belligerence toward Israel. Cutting US aid will do nothing but allow the region further to destabilize, we just need to regain our reputation. I'm sure that even Bebe thinks Bush is a boob, and he's supposed to be our friend.

[cmath]

The Israeli leadership firmly believes that the life of one of their own is worth more than hundreds of Palestinians, young or old, fighters or bystanders, guilty or innocent.

True, and all the Hamas leadership has to do is to return the soldier they kidnapped. Apparently they don't give a ratsass about the hundreds of Palestinians that will suffer either.

[Sam Ayyam]

True, and all the Hamas leadership has to do is to return the soldier they kidnapped. Apparently they don't give a ratsass about the hundreds of Palestinians that will suffer either.You assume that a disproportionate response is just.

Explain yourself.

[Sam Ayyam]

or is asymmetric warfare only fair if it's the "good guys?"

[Peter Angelo]

Israel warns: free soldier or PM dies - CAN WE ADD BUSH?

Middle East correspondent Martin Chulov

July 01, 2006

ISRAEL last night threatened to assassinate Palestinian Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh if Hamas militants did not release a captured Israeli soldier unharmed.
The unprecedented warning was delivered to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a letter as Israel debated a deal offered by Hamas to free Corporal Gilad Shalit.

It came as Israeli military officials readied a second invasion force for a huge offensive into Gaza.

Hamas's Gaza-based political leaders, including Mr Haniyeh, had already gone into hiding.

But last night's direct threat to kill Mr Haniyeh, a democratically elected head of state, sharply raised the stakes.

The bid to free Corporal Shalit was brokered by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who last night warned Hamas it faced severe consequences if it did not curb its "extreme stance" and described the growing conflict as a lightning rod for Palestinian vengeance.

Jerusalem has made no official comment, but Egyptian state media said Israel had found the offer unacceptable. Israel has not spelt out the terms demanded by Hamas, but earlier this week it refused to buy into talk of a prisoner swap.

Thousands of Hamas supporters protested in Gaza City late on Thursday over the arrest by Israeli forces of up to 32 Hamas MPs on the West Bank that day.

A Hamas spokesman said the group would never recognise Israel, in spite of a deal its leaders signed this week offering implicit recognition of the Jewish state in return for easing an economic blockade.

Israeli fighter jets bombed 20 targets in Gaza, including the Interior Ministry, which it said had been used by militants to stage meetings, while artillery hit the northern strip with 500 shells in the 24 hours until yesterday morning.

Jewish settler Eliyahu Asheri, who was murdered by militants this week, was buried on Thursday as leaders of the Popular Resistance Committees pledged to seize more hostages in the West Bank. No further word has emerged about another suspected Jewish hostage, Noach Moskowitz, who Israeli police said was found dead hours after Mr Asheri's remains were found.

Much of Gaza, including two main hospitals, was without power and running water as a UN aid chief warned that the 1.4 million residents of the strip were three days away from a humanitarian crisis.

"They are heading for the abyss unless they get electricity and fuel restored," said emergency relief co-ordinator Jan Egeland, who urged militants to free Corporal Shalit and stop firing rockets into Israel.

Residents complain that sonic booms caused by Israeli jets traumatise children and that shelling confines families to their homes.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has vowed the military will do all it can to avoid civilian deaths if a full-scale assault is launched.

Mr Olmert said the decision to invade northern Gaza had already been delayed to allow Mr Mubarak's negotiations to continue.

The arrested Hamas legislators have been sent to security prisons and many will stand trial on terrorism offences. The detentions have hurt Hamas's already limited ability to govern and are likely to force a regime change.

Israel claims it has intelligence about the area where Corporal Shalit is held, but has been unable to pinpoint the exact location. Mr Olmert said the military would leave the strip if he was unconditionally and safely returned.

Egypt and the neighbouring Arab states of Jordan and Lebanon fear a war between Israel and the Palestinians could lead to uprisings within their own borders, which house many Palestinian refugees.

[a-Citisen]

U'kno

Various political pundits have portrayed the neocon controlled whitehouse, as the peculiar interest that has made happen, the political state of unending war. The latter being a so-stated war on terrorism. Such a so-called war can be directed at anyone or anything that might dispute the economic-political power that is, e.g., the neocon interest. What that position replaces is the old-world intellectual position of the balance of power with 'kill first explain later'. But, the thing is this is not new.

Who started the unending war view? How about a godthing's chosen people? If the holy scriptures tell true, then the chosen people have been waging a never-ending war since they first were told they were a godthing's chosen people. Sometimes they win other times they lose, but that war goes on and on and on, . . . . and on . . . .

[cmath]

You assume that a disproportionate response is just.

Explain yourself.

The IDF is not trying to kill any but the Palestinians that they can identify as terrorists. In the end, Israel will release a bunch of prisoners in exchange for the Israeli soldier, and Hamas will kidnap another one or two next week or next month since it works.

They do need a buffer zone around the Gaza Strip to deprive the terrorists of close in sites where they can launch their rockets into Israeli towns. This is a good excuse for them to demolish an area that can serve that purpose.

[Kuni]

True, and all the Hamas leadership has to do is to return the soldier they kidnapped. Apparently they don't give a ratsass about the hundreds of Palestinians that will suffer either.So let me get this straight: According to you, it’s not okay to kidnap people and hold them? And you think that Americans deserve any suffering that may occur in the future vis-à-vis any attacks on the Homeland by Islamists because of those we kidnapped and took to Gitmo?


It would appear that capturing terrorists like the ones who are occupying the west bank and parts of Jerusalem, is ok and sanctioned by the policy of preemption laid down by the Bush administration. I thought you Conservatives approved of this type of behavior?

[Neurobürger]

I agree, but you're missing my point: Without US aid, Israel won't need borders. They will be destroyed.

The Green line is fair, and it's doable, but given the current extremism both in Israel and the US, such an equitable arrangement is unlikely for the moment. The US under Bush is no longer the honest broker it once was, but simply punishing Israel could severely degrade her ability to survive.

Sinn Fein was rejected by the Crown at first, but somehow Northern Ireland has quieted itself. Hamas deserves the same chance, and Israel can't go off half-cocked every time some nut blows up a pizza parlor. It's not going to happen overnight, and SOMEONE needs to commit to deescalation. There aren't many saints on either side. Nor were there in Northern Ireland.



sam,

there's no such thing as "northern ireland"

it's an imperialist propaganda myth

there is only the island and nation of Ireland

the orange protestants ("ulster scots") of the occupied 6 counties began the bloodshed well before easter 1916 when they constitued themselves into armed terrorist paramilitaries to defeat "home rule"

the irish catholic population has been effectively terrorized into acquiescence, but one should not assume that things are "ok" because of tihs




In the 19th century sectarian divisions in Ulster became hardened into the policial categories of unionist (supporters of the Union with Britain, mostly (but not exclusively) Protestant) and nationalist (advocates of a republic separate from the UK, usually (though not exclusively) Catholic). The origins of Northern Ireland's current politics lie in these late 19th century disputes over Home Rule for Ireland, which Ulster Protestants usually opposed - fearing for their status in an autonomous Catholic-dominated Ireland and also not trusting politicians from the agrarian south and west with supporting the more industrial economy of Ulster. To resist Home Rule, thousands of unionists, led by the Dublin-born barrister Sir Edward Carson and James Craig, signed the "Ulster Covenant" of 1912, pledging to resist Irish independence. This movement also saw the setting up of the Ulster Volunteer Force, the first Irish paramilitary group, in order to resist British attempts to enforce Home Rule. In response, Irish nationalists created the Irish Volunteers - forerunners of the IRA - to ensure the passing of the Home Rule Act 1914.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster



the main reason things are a little more 'quiet' in the 6 counties may have more to do with the phenomenon of the "irish tiger" the economic boom that ireish republic saw as it was integrated into the EU,



The Catholics are still severely under-represented in the police ranks, even though there are policies to add Catholics to the force. Economically the group faces deliberate exclusion (ECODIS03 = 3). Historically the Protestants have been economically advantaged and, since each group favors its own, the Catholics have suffered economically. The Catholic community has encountered what its members consider to be government repression in the form of many arrests of Catholic activists. The group also faces threats from Protestant militant organizations such as the Ulster Volunteer Force. There have been numerous bombings and assassinations by these contending groups that have caused many deaths (COMCON03 = 3). Another threat to the Catholic community has from internal conflict between competing factions. There have been numerous assassinations and attacks between factions and against those who are deemed not fully committed to the cause of Ireland’s unification. However, no violence between different factions was reported between 2001 and 2003. (FCCS101-03 = 0).

The Catholics in Northern Ireland are represented by a mix of militant and conventional organizations (GOJPA03 = 3). The best known is the Irish Republican Army and its political wing, Sinn Fein. Within the IRA different factions have competing views towards goals and strategies. Two of the main factions are the Real IRA and Continuity IRA. Another militant group is the Catholic Reaction Force and its conventional political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party. Nationalists who support less militant goals tend to support the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP). The SDLP favors co-operation and equality between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.

It should be noted that the Catholic community receives support from the Republic of Ireland and has in the past benefited from efforts by the United States and the Republic to help mediate an end to the violence in Northern Ireland.






http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/inscr/mar/assessment.asp?groupId=20003