It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature [Archive] - Page 22

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 07:27 AM

Halva, I guess the world is supposed to be impressed that your highest skill in debate is to say I can't talk about it. Did someone have to lead you down to the internet Cafe and sign you onto the machine for you to say that? Lets face it Halva, your skills of learning and debate are very low. You can't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag with simple sciences. You have not shown any significant ability to learn on this Forum.

Jimbo, you have refused to debate the issues far more than Wayne has. He put up a fight at first, though for the past five hundred pages.

YOU, however, refuse to answer why you never provide proof of your own claims. Basically, in debate, not providing proof of acontention is called a CONCESSION THAT NO SUCH PROOF EXISTS.

YOU, however, when debunked in debate last Saturday during your "titanium stains on rooftops" hoax, went back and tried to surreptitiously alter your previous statement. In debate, to alter your story in mid-stream is also a CONCESSION THAT YOUR CLAIM WAS FALSE. Not to mention the fact that you displayed ignorance of the matter when you missatated the satins were caused by MOLD, when the fact is they are caused by ALGAE.

YOU, however, when asked to show proof of titanium's presence, as claimed, have refused to proffer a laboratory analysis, in fact, YOU REFUSE to even discuss the question, as if it was never asked! In debate, such an action is seen by the judges as a FAILURE TO REBUT.

YOu, however, made the claim that bromine was added to jet fuel, but when challenged to show proof, also FAILED TO DO SO.

YOU, JIM PHELPS, ARE THE PERSON WHO "CANNOT DEBATE HIMSELF OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG"

Now, maybe Wayne HAS fallen by the wayside after fifty pages or so, but Jimbo, you really aren't engaging in debate, you are merely circling in a holding pattern, while taking hit after hit.
In debate such a performance means a loss. And yes, you are a loser. Everybody knows.

You should have been taking note of the lowered sulfur and raised hydrogen levels in JP-8, which are both admissions that global warming is a very serious problem. Instead, what do we see -- something along the lines of a functional illiterate. "I can't. Now any person taking note would notice the JP-8 is a fuel designed for global warming. They would then easily be able to connect that the lowered Sulfur makes the global warming worse, so one better have some offsetting factors for that. Most persons would quickly find that the JP-8's enhanced H/C ratio cuts the CO-2 emissions, raises the H2O formation, and also raises the C-H formation of bezene like compounds.

Now hold on there a minute, Hoss. You'll have to expalin how lowering sulfur in jet fuel "makes the global warming worse". I say your logic is faulty there, and no such thing takes place.

As for your contention that "JP-8's enhanced H?C ratio cuts the CO2 emissions and raises the C-H formation of bezene(sic) like compounds", not any logic there either. If, as you said before, you are referring to the switch in 1995 from JP-4 to JP-8 fuel, you are incorrrect to say that such a move increased CO2. The carbon content of JP-8 is HIGHER than JP-4, so in fact there is no way JP-8 can produce more CO2. I will grant that the switch to JP-8 fuel will produce slightly more H2O in combustion(around 2% more), but your contention is that JP-8 fuel was designed to REMEDIATE global warming. Since H2O is a far more potent warming gas, an increase in production would INCREASE putative warming, NOT MEDIATE IT!

Finally, benzene levels in JP-8 are exteremely low, an order of magnitude lower than JP-4, so there has been no increase in benzene by changing over to JP-8. The switchover to JP-8 kerosene fuel from JP-4 fuel, a 'wide-cut' fuel similar to gasoline, was for fire safety. Would you rather make abelly-landing on aplane loaded with kerosene or gasoline, Jimbo???

[b]JIMBO, before you berate my buddy Wayne for failure to debate, you better show some performance yourself!!

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 07:31 AM

Hey, Jimbo, look in the mirror and repeat these words:

What are we to conclude is that you appear to not able to defend yourself against the crooked Reynolds gang because you can't read? Sure looks like you can't read, can't comment intelligently, and can't talk about much that might have you think. Your biggest skill is blowing smoke and keeping this mess going on at Ariannas indefintely-----because you can't.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-18-2005, 07:49 AM

Halva writes:

"But I will say this: if I am going to talk about Jews I prefer to talk about them with Germans, who are Europeans, rather than with American anti-Semites, who are not.

I myself am not afraid of saying anything about Jews that I think is true. And I am prepared to listen to people who say the Holocaust was a lot of bullshit, because sometimes in their overstatement of their case they bring to light inaccuracies in conventional wisdom on the subject. I don't believe in demonizing anybody who is speaking sincerely, though I may sometimes be bored by people who are sincerely deluded."

================

It appears Halva is into another of his region modes, and a grand case of I can't look at certain areas. Global warming is a US dominated issue, so by your logic you need to keep all your commentary in Europe.

Else, you need to learn to think and act globally, and not just in the little my back door of Europe mode. Certain, if one looks at the German issues of the war and the bankers need to control banking-----particularly the German Bauers---which became the Rothschilds by name change. It was Hitler's kicking these Jews out of Germany and literally off the continent of Europe that was the central theme of WWII.

The Jews declaired war on Hiter, Hitler either locked them up or kicked them out of Europe. Then by manipulation of the US, it was drawn into this war of the Jews bankers.

The Germans are now beaten down from commenting on the merits of Hitler and what really caused the WWII problems. Germans are berated with the term anti-semitism if they attempt to point out the war was about the Jews control of the banking systema and their attempts to dominate Europe.

You can attempt to turn a blind eye to this and try to focus only on Europe and fail to take note of the scemes that failed to work well in Europe have worked much better in the dumbed down US. The Jewish money power in the US is extreme----it is racketeering---it is conspiring to control and take over the US----and it is the money power behind the US shadow Govt.

It is the power that covered up all the toxic issues connected to the Manhattan Project and funded it all via the Fed Reserve, and it is the power that now covers up the JP-8 issues connected to chemtrails and the simple fact that JP-8 is a huge admission of global warming and that global warming is being controlled. It is rather simple equation---but one that Halva's games of I can't look there and I can't ask questions there won't ever reveal.

The Jewish equation for control of the US via the Fed Res and other factors are behind the dealth of Lincoln, behind the death of JFK, and behind the death of MLK.

That Halva cannot consider these factors, nor speak of them in public circles appears to tell that he is not serious about addressing global warming, chemtrails, or the factors of religion that have lead to this Jewish connected nationalistic methods of racketeering that sets up these New World Ownership factors.

Halva appears to be a totally fake activist, because he ignores these pertinent factors. Learning is something he selectively does, and often rejects.

Now, shall Halva make more deals with the devil using lame excuses of I can't, or will he make some changes toward the better. What happens next shall be most telling of the merits of Halva on his global warming sincerity.

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-18-2005, 08:01 AM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-18-2005, 09:03 AM

For Gaia's entertainment value only:

Unconfirmed reports tell that Jay Reynolds and company planned a secret meeting at a centrally located prominent Mid-western Zoo to coordinate their campaign. Overcome with frustrations at gaming the public they began to give the monkeys the finger. They took great pride in abusing the little monkeys. The monkeys retaliated and pelted them with do-do. They had to immediately rush off to the dry cleaners to remove the stinky stains and cover up that the primates unexpectadly totally overwhelemed them. They could never wash the stains off totally, and their humiliation lingers in them today.

Today, they are legends----overcome they were with primate logic and statement. They caused a bigger stink at the Zoo than the time the raccoon got stuck in the xerox machine over the week-end.

While cleaning up in the group shower, They were given to treating each other for Yaak's athletes foot algae problems. Slimy toes, these boys.

IMHO,
is

PS---Now Gaia---we don't need another Holocaust---but we do need to put a large number of crooks in jail in the US----and who knows-----some may well get the death sentence for treason. Time will tell.

gaiacomm

01-18-2005, 09:22 AM

For Gaia's entertainment value only:

Unconfirmed reports tell that Jay Reynolds and company planned a secret meeting at a centrally located prominent Mid-western Zoo to coordinate their campaign. Overcome with frustrations at gaming the public they began to give the monkeys the finger. They took great pride in abusing the little monkeys. The monkeys retaliated and pelted them with do-do. They had to immediately rush off to the dry cleaners to remove the stinky stains and cover up that the primates unexpectadly totally overwhelemed them. They could never wash the stains off totally, and their humiliation lingers in them today.

Today, they are legends----overcome they were with primate logic and statement. They are given to treating each other for Yaak's athletes foot.

IMHO,
is

PS---Now Gaia---we don't need another Holocaust---but we do need to put a large number of crooks in jail in the US----and who knows-----some may well get the death sentence for treason. Time will tell.

I agree..... just making a statement...

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 10:12 AM

JIM PHELPS IS AFRAID TO TAKE ME ON IN DEBATE. HE IS THE ONE WHO SAY'S "I CAN'T!"

Halva, I guess the world is supposed to be impressed that your highest skill in debate is to say I can't talk about it. Did someone have to lead you down to the internet Cafe and sign you onto the machine for you to say that? Lets face it Halva, your skills of learning and debate are very low. You can't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag with simple sciences. You have not shown any significant ability to learn on this Forum.

Jimbo, you have refused to debate the issues far more than Wayne has. He put up a fight at first, though not for the past five hundred pages.

YOU, however, refuse to answer why you never provide proof of your own claims. Basically, in debate, not providing proof of acontention is called a CONCESSION THAT NO SUCH PROOF EXISTS.

YOU, however, when debunked in debate last Saturday during your "titanium stains on rooftops" hoax, went back and tried to surreptitiously alter your previous statement. In debate, to alter your story in mid-stream is also a CONCESSION THAT YOUR CLAIM WAS FALSE. Not to mention the fact that you displayed ignorance of the matter when you missatated the satins were caused by MOLD, when the fact is they are caused by ALGAE.

YOU, however, when asked to show proof of titanium's presence, as claimed, have refused to proffer a laboratory analysis, in fact, YOU REFUSE to even discuss the question, as if it was never asked! In debate, such an action is seen by the judges as a FAILURE TO REBUT.

YOu, however, made the claim that bromine was added to jet fuel, but when challenged to show proof, also FAILED TO DO SO.

YOU, JIM PHELPS, ARE THE PERSON WHO "CANNOT DEBATE HIMSELF OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG"

[b]Now, maybe Wayne HAS fallen by the wayside after fifty pages or so, but Jimbo, you really aren't engaging in debate, you are merely circling in a holding pattern, while taking hit after hit.
In debate such a performance means a loss. And yes, you are a loser. Everybody knows.

You should have been taking note of the lowered sulfur and raised hydrogen levels in JP-8, which are both admissions that global warming is a very serious problem. Instead, what do we see -- something along the lines of a functional illiterate. "I can't. Now any person taking note would notice the JP-8 is a fuel designed for global warming. They would then easily be able to connect that the lowered Sulfur makes the global warming worse, so one better have some offsetting factors for that. Most persons would quickly find that the JP-8's enhanced H/C ratio cuts the CO-2 emissions, raises the H2O formation, and also raises the C-H formation of bezene like compounds.

Now hold on there a minute, Hoss. You'll have to expalin how lowering sulfur in jet fuel "makes the global warming worse". I say your logic is faulty there, and no such thing takes place.

As for your contention that "JP-8's enhanced H?C ratio cuts the CO2 emissions and raises the C-H formation of bezene(sic) like compounds", not any logic there either. If, as you said before, you are referring to the switch in 1995 from JP-4 to JP-8 fuel, you are incorrrect to say that such a move increased CO2. The carbon content of JP-8 is HIGHER than JP-4, so in fact there is no way JP-8 can produce more CO2. I will grant that the switch to JP-8 fuel will produce slightly more H2O in combustion(around 2% more), but your contention is that JP-8 fuel was designed to REMEDIATE global warming. Since H2O is a far more potent warming gas, an increase in production would INCREASE putative warming, NOT MEDIATE IT!

Finally, benzene levels in JP-8 are exteremely low, an order of magnitude lower than JP-4, so there has been no increase in benzene by changing over to JP-8. The switchover to JP-8 kerosene fuel from JP-4 fuel, a 'wide-cut' fuel similar to gasoline, was for fire safety. Would you rather make abelly-landing on aplane loaded with kerosene or gasoline, Jimbo???

JIMBO, before you berate my buddy Wayne for failure to debate, you better show some performance yourself!!

Insurrectionchemistry

01-18-2005, 10:20 AM

Yawn

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 10:33 AM

Yawn

JIM PHELPS MIGHT THINK HE IS YAWNING. THE REAL WORLD SEES HIM AS THE MAN WHO WON'T DEBATE. JIM PHELPS IS AFRAID TO TAKE ME ON IN DEBATE. HE IS THE ONE WHO SAY'S "I CAN'T DEBATE JAY REYNOLDS!"

Halva, I guess the world is supposed to be impressed that your highest skill in debate is to say I can't talk about it. Did someone have to lead you down to the internet Cafe and sign you onto the machine for you to say that? Lets face it Halva, your skills of learning and debate are very low. You can't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag with simple sciences. You have not shown any significant ability to learn on this Forum.

Jimbo, you have refused to debate the issues far more than Wayne has. He put up a fight at first, though not for the past five hundred pages.

YOU, however, refuse to answer why you never provide proof of your own claims. Basically, in debate, not providing proof of acontention is called a CONCESSION THAT NO SUCH PROOF EXISTS.

YOU, however, when debunked in debate last Saturday during your "titanium stains on rooftops" hoax, went back and tried to surreptitiously alter your previous statement. In debate, to alter your story in mid-stream is also a CONCESSION THAT YOUR CLAIM WAS FALSE. Not to mention the fact that you displayed ignorance of the matter when you missatated the satins were caused by MOLD, when the fact is they are caused by ALGAE.

YOU, however, when asked to show proof of titanium's presence, as claimed, have refused to proffer a laboratory analysis, in fact, YOU REFUSE to even discuss the question, as if it was never asked! In debate, such an action is seen by the judges as a FAILURE TO REBUT.

YOu, however, made the claim that bromine was added to jet fuel, but when challenged to show proof, also FAILED TO DO SO.

YOU, JIM PHELPS, ARE THE PERSON WHO "CANNOT DEBATE HIMSELF OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG"

[b]Now, maybe Wayne HAS fallen by the wayside after fifty pages or so, but Jimbo, you really aren't engaging in debate, you are merely circling in a holding pattern, while taking hit after hit.
In debate such a performance means a loss. And yes, you are a loser. Everybody knows.

You should have been taking note of the lowered sulfur and raised hydrogen levels in JP-8, which are both admissions that global warming is a very serious problem. Instead, what do we see -- something along the lines of a functional illiterate. "I can't. Now any person taking note would notice the JP-8 is a fuel designed for global warming. They would then easily be able to connect that the lowered Sulfur makes the global warming worse, so one better have some offsetting factors for that. Most persons would quickly find that the JP-8's enhanced H/C ratio cuts the CO-2 emissions, raises the H2O formation, and also raises the C-H formation of bezene like compounds.

Now hold on there a minute, Hoss. You'll have to expalin how lowering sulfur in jet fuel "makes the global warming worse". I say your logic is faulty there, and no such thing takes place.

As for your contention that "JP-8's enhanced H?C ratio cuts the CO2 emissions and raises the C-H formation of bezene(sic) like compounds", not any logic there either. If, as you said before, you are referring to the switch in 1995 from JP-4 to JP-8 fuel, you are incorrrect to say that such a move increased CO2. The carbon content of JP-8 is HIGHER than JP-4, so in fact there is no way JP-8 can produce more CO2. I will grant that the switch to JP-8 fuel will produce slightly more H2O in combustion(around 2% more), but your contention is that JP-8 fuel was designed to REMEDIATE global warming. Since H2O is a far more potent warming gas, an increase in production would INCREASE putative warming, NOT MEDIATE IT!

Finally, benzene levels in JP-8 are exteremely low, an order of magnitude lower than JP-4, so there has been no increase in benzene by changing over to JP-8. The switchover to JP-8 kerosene fuel from JP-4 fuel, a 'wide-cut' fuel similar to gasoline, was for fire safety. Would you rather make abelly-landing on aplane loaded with kerosene or gasoline, Jimbo???

JIMBO, before you berate my buddy Wayne for failure to debate, you better show some performance yourself!!

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 10:41 AM

and now for something completely different. See how far down this hoax can take a person into insanity. Wayne Hall, Deborah, what will you say to whomever loves this person?
Are you willing to take responsibility for your part in promoting the hoaxes which have driven this woman insane?
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7879
IF YOU ARE HUMAN YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
I AM ASHAMED OF YOU

gaiacomm

01-18-2005, 10:52 AM

Hey JR can Karen your wife get some Jerry Springer Beads so we can see?

halva

01-18-2005, 12:45 PM

Let us hear more of this deal you made with Reynolds not to talk about chemtrails or how they directly related to global warming issues via JP-8. Guess we know the answer----I can't.

I never said I can't. It is better for a person of conservative outlook to argue with Raynolds about chemtrails than for me to do so, or even for someone like Footsoldier, with better scientific knowledge but also liberal political views, (and a woman) to do so.

Whether I can or canâ€™t argue with Raynolds about chemtrails is irrelevant. I am not going to.

The ideal would have been Bryce Rigthy. Of course he didnâ€™t believe in chemtrails, but he was at first interested in discussing climate change.

But obviously neither Bryce nor anybody else would stick around for long after being subjected to the full-scale debunker thug treatment, with the accusations of using false identities and so on.

Generally speaking this new arrangement of roles suits me very well. For a start, for virtually the first time in his life Raynolds is defending me!!! And secondly, you have started to write more concretely so as to get the message through even to a stupid person such as myself.

I have heard about JP-8 of course, but your retelling the story clearly and simply was useful, not only for me but I imagine also for some others reading.

Oil companies respond to the problems of global warming by designing special fuels to compensate. Lowered sulphur cuts levels of carbon dioxide and raises levels of water vapour. JP-8 leads to more rain over land to get the acid load off the plankton. And so on.

What Raynolds says to refute you I can also check out at my leisure of course, but for me Raynolds merely serves as a pointer as to what issues one has to ask about. I assume that in everything he writes his aim is to confuse and mislead.

Here in Greece it is Liakopoulos who talks most visibly about chemtrails, and there are a number of advantages to that. With his extreme conservative views he also has a natural constituency among some mainstream conservatives and they can mobilise many more people than leftists and ecologists can.

It seems quite a good division of labour to me to have conservatives drawing attention to chemtrails and leftists and ecologists campaigning for Kyoto, particularly if the conservatives are also won over to defending Kyoto and after-Kyoto, something not at all impossible in Europe.

gaiacomm

01-18-2005, 01:19 PM

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry............Springer show!

stuart_allsop

01-18-2005, 01:36 PM

The Jews of Israel will be given one last chance to leave and or give the lands back or be destroyed, completely!Interesting ... blah blah blah ... yawn.

halva

01-18-2005, 03:07 PM

whitemajikman

01-18-2005, 03:21 PM

I never said I can't. It is better for a person of conservative outlook to argue with Raynolds about chemtrails than for me to do so, or even for someone like Footsoldier, with better scientific knowledge but also liberal political views, (and a woman) to do so.

Whether I can or canâ€™t argue with Raynolds about chemtrails is irrelevant. I am not going to.

The ideal would have been Bryce Rigthy. Of course he didnâ€™t believe in chemtrails, but he was at first interested in discussing climate change.

But obviously neither Bryce nor anybody else would stick around for long after being subjected to the full-scale debunker thug treatment, with the accusations of using false identities and so on.

Generally speaking this new arrangement of roles suits me very well. For a start, for virtually the first time in his life Raynolds is defending me!!! And secondly, you have started to write more concretely so as to get the message through even to a stupid person such as myself.

I have heard about JP-8 of course, but your retelling the story clearly and simply was useful, not only for me but I imagine also for some others reading.

Oil companies respond to the problems of global warming by designing special fuels to compensate. Lowered sulphur cuts levels of carbon dioxide and raises levels of water vapour. JP-8 leads to more rain over land to get the acid load off the plankton. And so on.

What Raynolds says to refute you I can also check out at my leisure of course, but for me Raynolds merely serves as a pointer as to what issues one has to ask about. I assume that in everything he writes his aim is to confuse and mislead.

Here in Greece it is Liakopoulos who talks most visibly about chemtrails, and there are a number of advantages to that. With his extreme conservative views he also has a natural constituency among some mainstream conservatives and they can mobilise many more people than leftists and ecologists can.

It seems quite a good division of labour to me to have conservatives drawing attention to chemtrails and leftists and ecologists campaigning for Kyoto, particularly if the conservatives are also won over to defending Kyoto and after-Kyoto, something not at all impossible in Europe.

Europe Has already Fallen for the Kyoto Hoax..........Wayne.

This entire thread was your shot at convincing North Americans through the Use Of False Propaganda that Kyoto should be Embraced........

That was and still is your Agenda........

But Yet you have Admitted that you do not understand the Science of Climate Change.........

So if you don't understand the Science.........And you have not looked at The Impact Globally that Kyoto would Have........

How can you state that KYOTO is a GOOD accord..........or even Defend it.......

It makes you look like a little sheep being led by the Status quo of Europe.

All because you think of yourself as an Environmental Activist........

You have the Mentality ...........that If it has to do with the Environment ......Thats Good Enough For Me.......

Well Guess What Wayne.........

Kyoto has nothing......and I mean absolutely positively nothing............to do with the Environment.........

And here you are playing Radical Environmentalist trying desperately to promote and endorse Something when you haven't even given one iota of thought to it's implications............

Jay has had you pegged from the Beginning......so has the rest of his mob as you like to call us.......

Wayne get a life.........

Before you do something really foolish........

or at least debate Kyoto ........With us......maybe then you can see for yourself how flawed it truly is.......

WMM

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 03:31 PM

Generally speaking this new arrangement of roles suits me very well. For a start, for virtually the first time in his life Raynolds is defending me!!!
But, you said you had me 'ignore-listed'.
Ok, I know, I know, you lied.....
Wayne, be careful what you ask for.

I have heard about JP-8 of course, but your retelling the story clearly and simply was useful, not only for me but I imagine also for some others reading. Oil companies respond to the problems of global warming by designing special fuels to compensate. Lowered sulphur cuts levels of carbon dioxide and raises levels of water vapour. JP-8 leads to more rain over land to get the acid load off the plankton. And so on.

Wayne, keep repeating that. When you get together with someone who knows a thing or two about our atmosphere, repeating that sort of stuff will make you stand out from the crowd, that's for sure!

What Raynolds says to refute you I can also check out at my leisure of course, but for me Raynolds merely serves as a pointer as to what issues one has to ask about. I assume that in everything he writes his aim is to confuse and mislead.
Wayne, whatever I say, you can take it to the bank and use it for collateral.

Here in Greece it is Liakopoulos who talks most visibly about chemtrails, and there are a number of advantages to that. With his extreme conservative views he also has a natural constituency among some mainstream conservatives and they can mobilise many more people than leftists and ecologists can.

Oh, sure, yeah right. Liakopoulos.
Isn't he the guy who needs a history lesson?
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1ILjOJpdlqYJ:www.sitemaker.gr/antiethnikistik/assets/liakopoulos.doc+%22demosthenes+liakopoulos%22&hl=en
Or is he the one that writes racist books?
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ZNpi5ySud6UJ:www.greekhelsinki.gr/bhr/english/organizations/ghm/anti-semitism_jul_2003.doc+liakopoulos+jews&hl=en
I guess he must also be the guy who dreamed up this hoax about Jews behind 9/11:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ZNpi5ySud6UJ:www.greekhelsinki.gr/bhr/english/organizations/ghm/anti-semitism_jul_2003.doc+liakopoulos+jews&hl=en

[size=5]WAYNE< WHAT IS YOUR OBSESSION ABOUT JOINING UP WITH RACISTS? ARE THESE THE ONLY SORT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL FOLLOW YOU? THIS LOOKS REALLY BAD..........{/size]

whitemajikman

01-18-2005, 03:40 PM

Gaia writes:

"It seems that JimPhelps has signed up on this forum as of 1/17/05. This should be very interesting to watch...."

=========

Sounds like the identity theft Mason-Jew person from Canada is up to his same fradulent methods. Reynolds and his Mob steal ID's and impersinate people.

Recall it is the same bunch of crooks attempting to cover up the problems with JP-8's catalytic methods by misquoting on Benzene. JP-8's catalytic methods conserve hydrogen in the refinery process and contribute to more C-H bonds and more benzene toxic problems.

They seem not to like getting to the heart of the matter, be it on the chemtrails toxic issues or on the problems with the Jews controlling the US shadow Govt.

Crooks are crooks and there are several here.

IMHO,
is

Jim I would Be happy to debate your Anti-Semitism.......

And your lack of Knowledge when it comes to Distinguishing Radical Zionism and World Jewry.........
And Where you make your Mistake.........And why I call you anti-semitic is because you Cannot Distinguish between the Two......

Your hatred For Anything Jewish is what leads me to believe that you are nothing more than a racist trying to spread your message of hate.......

Even your Revisionist attempts at altering history.......are a testimony to your hatred for anything Jewish......

Is there a Shadow Government........?

Indeed there is.......But it is not just exclusive to the USA.......

And is completely controlled by Radical Zionist's....And not all are of Jewish Descent.....

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-18-2005, 05:40 PM

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/031.htm

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/110.htm

stuart_allsop

01-18-2005, 07:55 PM

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 08:11 PM

YOU MUST BE JOKING, JIMBO.

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/031.htm
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/110.htm

Well, thanks for debunking yourself there, Jimbo.
Let's se how bad you beat yoruself up!

This was Jimbo's claim:

You should have been taking note of the lowered sulfur and raised hydrogen levels in JP-8. They would then easily be able to connect that the lowered Sulfur makes the global warming worse

First of all Sulfur levels of JP-8 fuel have remained relatively constant, according to the data at the website Jimbo cited:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/109.htm#img736
"In the UK, average sulfur level has remained relatively constant since 1988 (Rickard and Fulker, 1997); in the United States, however, the average sulfur content in the NIPER survey has been increasing."

LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN, JIMBO!
SULFUR CONTENT "HAS BEEN INCREASING"!

Secondly, JIm would have you believe there are "raised hydrogen levels" in JP-8 and that "JP-8's enhanced H/C ratio cuts the CO-2 emissions"

Let's see what his reference document says about the hydrogen levels of JP-8:

"A fuel with a higher H/C ratio will produce lower CO2 and correspondingly more water; however, only relatively small variations are found in aviation fuel .Even if hydrogen could be obtained from water without using fossil energy, increasing the average hydrogen content by 0.05% (a significant amount) would result in only a 0.6% reduction in the amount of CO2 produced per pound of jet fuel burned simply based on stoichiometric combustion calculations.

LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN, JIMBO!

[b]JP-8 has "only relatively small variations" of hydrogen, and even "a significant amount" more hydrogen would only make about 1/2 percent reduction in CO2! Besides, no trend exists of increased hydrogen in JP-8 fuel. But you wouldn't know, would you? You've never tested any JP-8 fuel, and neither have any other chemmies. Your people have just been "imagineering" again, making it up as you go along, or as you call it:

"The JP-8 issues that have been tossed out in bits and pieces."

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 08:32 PM

One question perhaps worth examination: is it a factor in the non-recognition of the existence of 'chemtrails' that to recognize their existence would open the floodgates to a deluge of private ligitation?

Stuart is right, Wayne, any potential litigation would necessarily be possible only if proof of the existence of "chemtrails" was possible. Now that my debunker buddy Deborah has told you that what you are seeing are contrails in the troposphere, and not "chemtrails", well no litigation is possible.

Secondly, for a lawsuit to even begin, the aggrieved party must have standing, in which an "injury in fact" can be .shown, not based on conjecture or hypothesis, and the existence of a causal relationship between the challenged action and the injured party with standing.

Even after these conditions are met, such a lawsuit cannot proceed unless it can be shown that a favorable ruling could offer relief for the party alleging injury.

Now, over at my buddy Chem11's, we have one "BIG BUNNY", who claims to be an attorney.
"Big Bunny" is practicallyn the only person posting over there, and his/her activity amounts to no different than that of Deborah's, posting one sad weeping watermelon scaremonger story after another, week after week, month after month.

One is led to ask, if all the "chemtrail" cult's lawyer can do is post other people's sob stories, what hope is there for any "litigation"? I submit to anyone and everyone that your people have nothing, do nothing, and as a result, in five years you have absolutely nothing to show for it!

IS IT ANY WONDER YOU PEOPLE ARE THE LAUGHINGSTOCK'S OF THE INTERNET???

halva

01-18-2005, 08:39 PM

Reiterating that an important factor in non-recognition of 'chemtrails' is not so much that the Jews don't want them to be recognized as that recognition would lead to much inconvenient private litigation.

Has not Bodansky written widely on this subject?

foot_soldier

01-18-2005, 08:56 PM

Let's cut the crap here, shall we, Reynolds?

This is what you and your ilk have a problem with the public's becoming openly, adequately and truthfully informed about:

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/031.htm

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/110.htm
Keep those lies, distortions and character assaults coming, Reynolds. Hope you're having fun. Just don't expect your next life to be the picnic you're so obviously enjoying in this one. What goes around comes around sooner or later.

halva

01-18-2005, 09:00 PM

Any potential litigation would necessarily be possible only if proof of the existence of "chemtrails" was possible. Now that my debunker buddy Deborah Stark has told you that what you are seeing are contrails in the troposphere, and not "chemtrails", well no litigation is possible.

Secondly, for a lawsuit to even begin, the aggrieved party must have standing, in which an "injury in fact" can be .shown, not based on conjecture or hypothesis, and the existence of a causal relationship between the challenged action and the injured party with standing.

Even after these conditions are met, such a lawsuit cannot proceed unless it can be shown that a favorable ruling could offer relief for the party alleging injury.

One is led to ask, if all the "chemtrail" cult's lawyer can do is post other people's sob stories, what hope is there for any "litigation"? I submit to anyone and everyone that your people have nothing, do nothing, and as a result, in five years you have absolutely nothing to show for it!
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Raynolds' answer confirms my point, and the failure of 'chemmies' or other aggrieved parties to launch any relevant litigation proves nothing other than the efficacy of state power even in an allegedly 'free' society such as the United States which advertises itself as paradise for 'the individual'.

What is necessary surely should be legal, and what is unnecessary and destructive to human health and the environment illegal. A case can be made for the proposition that the rights of individuals have to give way before the rights of society as a whole. But can a case be made for the proposition that the public benefit is well served by activity that is destructive to the environment and human health? If such activity is indeed necessary then equally necessary is public discussion on how the need for it is to be minimised.

This discussion may have to start in new public structures that are not hostage to private interests as parliaments and 'the media' are. (And that marginalise racism through implementing consensus procedures. Racist measures never achieve a social consensus.
So just shut up about racism, Raynolds. We don't need your help in dealing with it. Your tactic is to fan it and provoke it so as then to be able to claim that you are needed to combat it.)

Raynolds' crowing at how effective the American state and the international instrumentalities it controls are at overriding the desires and perceived 'rights' of individuals is entirely irrelevant to the point that they are apparently not effective enough for decision-makers to think they can dispense with secrecy over 'chemtrails'.

foot_soldier

01-18-2005, 09:02 PM

Vis a vis emerging policy and litigation, this is a useful place to check into on a daily basis:

http://www.ems.org/news.html

halva

01-18-2005, 09:21 PM

By the way Raynolds, you are right to quote or otherwise refer to the postings of your disciples if you want me to be aware of them.

foot_soldier

01-18-2005, 10:08 PM

October Airline Traffic: Ten-Month Domestic Traffic Up 7.7 Percent From 2003

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - U.S. airlines carried 7.7 percent more domestic passengers and flew 4.1 percent more domestic flights during the first 10 months of 2004 than they did during the same period in 2003, the U.S. Department of Transportationâ€™s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) today reported, in a release of preliminary data (Table 1).

The airlines carried 527.5 million domestic passengers during the first 10 months of 2004, up from the 489.9 million carried between January and October 2003 (Table 2). The passengers were carried on 8.3 million flights, up 4.1 percent from the 8.0 million flights operated in 2003 (Table 1)..... (continued)
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2005/bts004_05/html/bts004_05.html

Let's see: 8.3 million domestic flights between January and October 2004 = an average of 830,000 flights per month = an average of 27,660 flights per day over the continental United States. These are commercial airline passenger flights only being referred to here. Not air cargo; not private executive or corporate jets; not military flights; not civil aviation.

jayreynolds

01-18-2005, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=foot_soldier]Let's cut the crap here, shall we, Reynolds?

This is what you and your ilk have a problem with the public's becoming openly, adequately and truthfully informed about:QUOTE]

Actually, Deborah, I was the first one to let your people know about the grida website.
Deb Phalen also was telling your people to go check it out back in 2001.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:CrNuXCwePFEJ:www.chemtrailcentral.c om/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000948.html++grida+site:chemtrailcentral.com&hl=en

So stop your baseless propaganda. Everything you know has come from us debunkers. If it weren't for us, you'd still be weeping about ethylene dibromide and looking like worse idiots than you already do!!

You can't argue against anything I posted, because it's all straight from the text, in context, and you know it's true.

That said, It's nice to see you debunking the idea that what people are calling "chemtrails" are NOT geoengineering in the stratosphere, but are ordinary contrails in the troposphere.

The point where you go haywire, Deborah, is when you begin making baseless claims about why contrails persist. Just look at the report "aviation and the global atmosphere" and you could learn a lot.

Now, you'll never learn as much as I because you haven't taken my suggestion and acquired the education I advised you to get five years ago. Not my fault, I've done my best to tutor you, you seem at least as stubborn as Wayne about learning real science. You won't learn anything by wasting time posting BS scaremongering articles like you have for the past five years, what a waste of time that was! None of those thousands of posts you archived at clowneycorn's will ever be read now that he's gone insane.

gaiacomm

01-19-2005, 12:53 AM

Blah...blah....blah.....

halva

01-19-2005, 02:46 AM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 03:21 AM

Chemtrails and their damage factors are probably best understood by observation of past fossil fuels problems. In Tennessee, coal mines used strip mine techniques that deformed mountains and collected rainwater that was acidified and the rainwater runoffs went on to kill streams and entire rivers. This huge problem killed entire rivers like the one in the Big South Fork National Recreation Area in Tennessee. This extensive damage was changed via litigation and national policy changes. The people had the right to demand that the mountains not be defaced, and likewise the people have the right to demand that their skies not be defaced or their Sunlight be blocked.

Should jet plane companies be sued over defacing the skies of the world? I certain think they need to be, and the follow on causal factors of the acid effects should be included. This should not be allowed to continue unabated one more day. Legislation needed to begin ten years ago. GreenPeace could perform a real service to the world by raising awareness of these factors. I am sure they would not remain silent on strip mines going unabated, and likewise the stripmine problems with the skies they cannot remain silent.

The stripper analogy is not much different than what is going on with the chemtrails issues. The changes are the skies are the repositories for the acids from the coal mines, the water is supplied from the chemtrail or jet planes being catalytic agents for rainfall, and the net effect places huge levels of acids into the streams, rivers, and lakes over large areas. These acids liberate toxic metals, which damage the health of animals and man. The acid rain problems in the North Eastern US are huge and many lakes are near dead. Litigation is happening between Northern states and the fossil polluting states, to protect their surface and ground waters. These factors are also influenced by the Jet traffic causing increased rains that pull down these pollutants and these cauality factors likely need to begin inclusion as prime factors. The problem is so massive in animals that the fluoride components of acid rain are the causal factors for prion illnesses.

That big activism groups become involved in massive actions to change policies, or massive class actions against some of these causal factors, is pretty certain. Greenpeace will likely appreciate the acid load being routed from the oceans, but they won't take a positive view of these acids being routed onto the land's streams, rivers, and lakes and adding to the acid problems of surface and ground waters.

It would be an excellent place for Greenpeace to get positively involved in awareness raising. The fact is, there are already precidence set using the model of coal strip mining that defaced the mountains and killed the rivers and lakes, just the new defacing happens in the skies via jet cloud making and the acid is still killing rivers and lakes, and then going on to screw up animal and human health. It is the same basic complaints as per strip miners.

Chemtrail related activities involve both the thousands of commercial flights each day that make the clouds and rainfall patterns, but also the flights of the US Govt planes distributing the titanium and other materials used to offset the fluoride toxic factor and other problems.

The jet planes marking up and defacing the skies of the world is no different than greedy strip miners defacing the mountains of Appalachia for quick profits, which then went on to silt in rivers and lakes and acidify them to the point of killing the entire ecosystems.

These careless people of the stip mines had to pay to fix all that damage, and there is already a lot of money going into the issues of the coal polluting the skies of the world, and it all needs to be made public and the public involved in policy making. It will all follow very similar arguements as made against strip mining.

People like "Stripper Jay Reynolds" are the new "Strip Miner" mentality, and they don't care how the skies are defaced or the environments damaged by acids and metals factors that impact human health.

"Stripper Reynolds" and his moblike "strikebuster" gang need to be identified as those that deface nature and attack those that seek the same protections of nature that were achieved in the strip mine control litigation and legislation. The model here is just like the one of the coal mine owners and the workers they sought to opress and control.

Strippers need to be criminalized.

Perhaps this analogy will help the public take note of their rights and similar laws that have originated over like issues.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-19-2005, 04:25 AM

"Stripper Jay Reynolds" are the new "Strip Miner" mentality, and they don't care how the skies are defaced or the environments damaged by acids and metals factors that impact human health.
"Stripper Reynolds" and his moblike "strikebuster" gang need to be identified as those that deface nature and attack those that seek the same protections of nature that were achieved in the strip mine control litigation and legislation. The model here is just like the one of the coal mine owners and the workers they sought to opress and control.
Strippers need to be criminalized.

BRING IT ON!

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/How_To_Stop_Chemtrails.htm

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 04:37 AM

Halva writes:

"The same story as the explosion of SUV owning that we see even in ridiculously dysfunctional and transport-paralysed cities like Athens. It is almost as if they want to produce a Peak Oil crisis as rapidly as possible. Or bake the planet before the fossil fuels are exhausted, (the Greenpeace reading on things)."

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I do think that in speaking of the peak oil break point, that you should begin to include factors like the poorer grade oils will become more the norm. Since times are short of the break points on supply and there is still a good supply of the premium grade oil around. This will all change around the times of the peak toward use of the low grade crude oil.

At the peak, Where there was once a lot of the low sulfur light grade crudes, the rejects like the high sulfur crude will become the norm. And with that the increased uses of the catalytic techniques that remove the sulfur and boost up the hydrogen some. This is already begun to happen, as the refineries now control levels of S and H in the system. This allows them to use the cheeper priced crude oils and still meet the emissions.

The wars over who controls the worlds oil have already begun, this to offset the peak for the power elite countries. The little just developing countries of the world will all be hit harder and sooner. But a big nuclear war could well change the timelines to the peak a good bit.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-19-2005, 05:08 AM

Back at ORNL, when we saw the global warming factors forming at the pole from the ionization effects increasing the concentration of pollutants there, we knew there was a huge problem.

So, the mediation method was one of global factors using the fact that the atmosphere was going to be getting wetter, and then adding factors to Jet planes and fuels to make them set up cloud seeding to reflect IR back into space. The jet fuels were altered to reduce the sulfur and the SOx problem and also altered to increase the hydrogen content. This caused some problems with the burn, so they added the benzene compound----which is carcinogenic. This is why we see areas like in Fallon, NV suddenly showing up with kids getting leukemia. This is the JP-8 factors.

Hey, Jimbo, you still haven't come through with any debate for your proposition that you added benzene, a carcinogen, to JP-8. Tell us who ordered you to do so, when, where, and how much?

Names, Jimbo, your people want names.

You say that you were involved in this, and that children got leukemia as a result, then two
things must happen. Either you must turn state's evidence, begin to talk and name names, or else you get prosecuted for these crimes.

But you won't do anything. Because you made it all up. It's a complete fabrication. It's time to come clean and stop the lies, Jimbo. Everybody knows. Even in your fantasy world, you know too, because you have been caught concocting NEW lies to coverup when your old ones get found out. Wayne, Deborah, evrybody can see this happening. You aren't fooling anyone, even yourself.

SO, JIMBO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, OLD MAN????

halva

01-19-2005, 05:31 AM

Friends of the Earth, which hasn't been a success in Greece, a few years ago took up the issue of pollution caused by aircraft.

But there was no background explanation, no contextualisation and of course no reference to geoengineering proposals or activities.

What came out was a proposal that Friends of the Earth members should campaign for higher air fares.

Out of the blue, just like that. This was obviously a turn-off, and is merely one more example of the problems caused by lack of transparency, whatever justifications for the lack of transparency might be evoked.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 06:04 AM

Halva writes:

"Unlike Shadow, Jim Phelps is at least trying to be a team player, but Jim do you really think Biblical prophecy is going to help us deal with the gentlemen of posting 5023?

I am not talking about private inspiration and solace. I mean usable ideas. You have usable ideas. Why don't you focus on them more?"

=======================
Gentlemen is not a correct word.

I had put this one back some time ago, with the idea that Halva might wise up and stop his lack of team playing.

Halva can't seem to follow history well---be it American History or religious history. He covers his lack of abilities by snipping in attempts to push things his way---toward lack of regard to history. Take a hint---it won't work.

Halva cannot seem to think globally. Halva can't seem to take note that persons like JFK were well traveled in 1930's Europe in the work up of the German Hitler coming to power. JFK was in Germany looking at the problems with the Jews and the banking control issues and even writing letters to his father telling that a war was coming.

Hitler and his party studied relgion and based their 3rd Reicht on religion models. Hitler studied the Jews and said Jesus was a Jewish reformer. Now, supposedly Halva would be taking note of such factors in his discussions of the Jews with Germans and Europeans and the associations with Hitler and Europe. However, I can't seem to find a trace that he can recognize these obvious factors of Euroepean and German history, nor that he recognizes the religion models used by Hitler or that Halva knows the Jewish history in Europe well enough to even comment intelligently about it.

JFK was a Catholic, so he knew the Vatican did not respect the religion of the Jews in these times and this contributed to the European problems with the Jews and their banking control.

Now, if JFK can learn these factors from Europe-----one would think that Halva might be able to gleen these same rather obvious bits of European history that JFK observed. Halva is right down close to the Vatican and well can find that the Vatican was highly attacked for the Holocaust and this caused them to enjoin with the Jewish version of religion more and lead into the formation of Israel and the problems of the anti-Christ.

It is not very hard---pure logic and pure history. It is also not very hard to take note that in the US that George Bush learned to talk and act like the evangelicals to help mislead the US more down the road toward the anti-Christ factors. Even the Pope thinks that Bush-43 is the anti-Christ.

Now, if Bush can scam all the US evangelicals by learning to sound like them and exploit them----then the way to counter that misinformation is to correctly inform and educate these evangelicals as to what is really going on.

So, the problem is Halva not being the team player, his trying to dictate, and his strong tendency to attempt to ignore history of the US and that of religion.

Yes, I do tend to have some rather good ideas from time to time, and this using the evangelicals and explaining to them the factors of Revelations and how this is happening right now with respect to environmental and health factors seems rather appropriate. How better to activate and wake up the US than to expose how the Bush-43 types are abusing them and misdirecting them. And how the acid rain, aerosol games, and animal and health effects all interconnect and are part of the Revelations. Clear into the war games to control big oil and the end-times prophicies against the Jews. Correct interpretations for religion and God are well connected to science and nature.

I think it is Halva's lack of abilities to comprehind simple things that is the problem and it shows in his remarks above. His dictator-like leadership is not appropriate, nor his claims about team playing toward others. Halva is the person that cannot team play-----can't seem to even see what is obvious.

Halva appears so insincere toward religion as to attempt to put forth that it should not be believed or even used as part of the wake up call on the environment and health. Why does Halva think there is so much effort at the presidential level to attempt to mask these factors. it is getting such high level manipulation because it is an essential part of their plan to control exposing what is happening.

I do think Halva needs to learn the issues from Europe that JFK learned --- then I think Halva needs to follow JFK and the American history just as closely as that of Europe. Else, he will be shown to be the non team player and the screw up of vauable focus points that can make a huge difference.

Halva, I need to know when you are going to stop sitting on your brain down at the Cafe, and start spending some time at effective thinking? Thinking would be so much better than showing your utter ignorace with snipping comments.

And yes, I put this comment above aside a number of times thinking you would learn or wake up a bit and cut out the snipping. But since learning seems to be elusive for you and the snipping needs to end----each and every time you fail to team play, or focus on the most relevant factors, or see the merits of good ideas, or consider the factors of the US over those of Europe------well then I will spell it out in extensive detail and repeatedly.

IMHO,
is

halva

01-19-2005, 06:31 AM

Now, if Bush can scam all the US evangelicals by learning to sound like them and exploit them----then the way to counter that misinformation is to correctly inform and educate these evangelicals as to what is really going on.

Jim I wish you the best in doing this.

Educating and informing evangelicals, or educating anyone in the Christian religion, is not something I am required to do here in Greece.

halva

01-19-2005, 06:38 AM

'The US has a massive foreign debt, which it is incapable of repaying, except possibly by controlling everybody else's oil reserves then forcing users to pay a ransom for oil.'
Alan Roberts

stuart_allsop

01-19-2005, 06:53 AM

October Airline Traffic: Ten-Month Domestic Traffic Up 7.7 Percent From 2003

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - U.S. airlines carried 7.7 percent more domestic passengers and flew 4.1 percent more domestic flights during the first 10 months of 2004 than they did during the same period in 2003, the U.S. Department of Transportation?s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) today reported, in a release of preliminary data (Table 1).

The airlines carried 527.5 million domestic passengers during the first 10 months of 2004, up from the 489.9 million carried between January and October 2003 (Table 2). The passengers were carried on 8.3 million flights, up 4.1 percent from the 8.0 million flights operated in 2003 (Table 1)..... (continued)
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2005/bts004_05/html/bts004_05.html

Let's see: 8.3 million domestic flights between January and October 2004 = an average of 830,000 flights per month = an average of 27,660 flights per day over the continental United States. These are commercial airline passenger flights only being referred to here. Not air cargo; not private executive or corporate jets; not military flights; not civil aviation.Well, yes... And what is your point?

stuart_allsop

01-19-2005, 06:56 AM

The same story as the explosion of SUV owning that we see even in ridiculously dysfunctional and transport-paralysed cities like Athens. It is almost as if they want to produce a Peak Oil crisis as rapidly as possible. Or bake the planet before the fossil fuels are exhausted, (the Greenpeace reading on things).Well then, you'd better start convincing people to stop travelling so much! THe problem is not all those PLANES out there, it is all the PASSENGERS that want to go somewhere on them. If you can convince the pax to stop travelling, then the planes won't fly. IT's that simple.

foot_soldier

01-19-2005, 07:15 AM

Jay Reynolds wrote:
.....Everything you know has come from us debunkers.....
Hardly the case.

For the record.

Stop with the lies, Reynolds.

halva

01-19-2005, 07:17 AM

The City of Berkeley was recently asked to endorse the Kyoto Protocol. The City Council is expected to endorse the Kyoto Protocol at its January 18 meeting and ask cities and their citizens across America to take similar action. Details of how to start a similar project can be found at: www.kyotousa.org

To assist cities in making the transition to better energy efficiencies and the reduction of greenhouse gases, an organization called ICLEI-US Cities for Climate Protection (http://www.iclei.org/us/ccp/) is ready to assist them in getting started.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 07:21 AM

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 08:54 AM

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 09:47 AM

Halva,

We have a term in the US for persons that make a lot of noise and don't end up saying much effectively.

One of my old lawyer pals in town who looks a bit like Hoss Cartright of the TV show Bananza and ever wears a 10 gallon hat and speaks with a loud raspy whisky voice makes good use of the word. One can hear him all over a bar-room with no effort--he projects so well.

In Tennessee, we call those folks Dumb-Asses. From looking at this thread and the progress you have made----your actions appear to fit the definition.

I think you might have just qualified. And your not requited to do anything, and you really don't.

You are not required to have knowledge and process intelligently in Greece, but you are required to show up at the Cafe and interject asanine remarks constantly.

I think it is going to get real interesting with Reynolds, who claims there are no jet trails, and me, who claims to have come up with such ideas---both coming down on one point in Greece.

You might do a lot better just staying home, for I don't think all this noise your making is worth much. You are an embarrassment to aerosol activism, global warming movement, and human intelligence based on learning skills.

You might not be required to have knowledge and learning skills, but it is a requirement to discuss the relevant factors. You are a ball and chain holding things down. Your accomplishments are likely going to be born from plagarism of others, and no thinking on your part.

IMHO,
is

Why are you trying so desperately to get rid of Wayne......Jimmy.......?

What would be your Motivation For That.........?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that JAY is kicking your ass in the TRUTH department..........?

And you want to end this thread before the information that is on this thread exposes you for what you are....................

or is it the fact that you have been salivating and waiting for your chance to undermind Wayne...........because you suffer from a god complex.........and you think that you should be in charge.......?

For once I agree with Gaicomm........and in his immortal words.........

VERY VERY INTERESTING.......................a COUP...........among the chemmies.......

WMM

gaiacomm

01-19-2005, 09:54 AM

And it continues......................................... .

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 09:58 AM

Jimmyboy.......

So much delusion ,So little TRUTH.......Why Is that.....?

Introduction to Jim Phelps
By: Jim Phelps Copyright 2004

Some of you may wonder who in the world that I am. Who is this person that goes by the name "Jim Phelps" and sounds like the TV show "Mission Impossible?" It is my real name and the rest of the story is interesting. I am a person that worked as a "Development Staff" person for Oak Ridge National Lab at the height of the Cold War during the Reagan Administration. I have degrees in Electrical Engineering from the University of Tennessee. All degrees mean is that you can be trained in the ways of industry. This training would be my ticket into one of the most corrupt nuclear national security organizations in the world called ORNL and DOE-ORO.

I would come to learn that all my nice industry training would be turned upon its ear with what I was to come to learn about the interactions of fluorides and metals on the human immune system and health. I found that industry made some large mistakes and some huge wrong turns in its haste for money and short-term goals. I also found that industry has engaged in one huge cover up on the effects of fluoride compounds. I found in some 6,000-year-old knowledge more insights into human health than all the training from industry. This became an epic revelation, once the pieces fell into place. It became a turning point event in the world of national security. A point where 6,000 year old science was shown to know more than we know today on the elements of health.

I am a second generation Oak Ridge worker, as my father worked at the Y-12 bomb plant for some 30 years before having to take early retirement. I learned first hand that the management of Y-12 knew they were making workers sick with the toxic metals and chemicals present. I knew there were serious problems with the Hydrogen Fluoride "Salt Shop" operation at the Y-12 plant. I also learned that Oak Ridge managers were more than willing to lie and deceive people to run these toxic processes. Their biggest lies were on the safety of hydrogen fluoride, which is one of the most dangerous chemicals in the world. It is a cumulative poison with many health effects that the chemical and metals industries have kept hidden.

When I was in grammar school I was exposed to Y-12 plant uranium contamination that my dad brought home daily. He helped to make the hydrogen bomb components from uranium. He told many stories of uranium catching fire and sparks flying from under shoes when walking in the contaminated areas. When I was in high school I knew how the A-bombs worked, the machining characteristics of uranium, etc. I knew the warheads that Y-12 made to put on the Jupiter missiles in Turkey were unreliable because of Y-12's explosive mirror problems.

My lineage comes from the Phelps family, which traces its heritage back to Europe and the Welf and Guelph families that trace their heritage to the House of David. My mother's side of the family also traces back to Jewish heritages. This background prompted me to follow some of the deeper issues of religion linked to the End-Times. This connected me to many of the Jewish secrets in the Manhattan Project. I discovered my princely family heritage was highly into mining metals and had much expertise in this area.

I knew things like the sword Excalibur were tied to meteor "Star Metals" of Egypt and the Magi, and provided steel when steel was supposed to be not possible. The legend of the "Isle of Avalon" and Glastonbury Abby was linked to the family of Jesus fleeing the Holy Lands, and that Jesus had visited the UK as a kid because his family owned copper and tin mines there. Iron in the swamps around Avalon was purified by Iron digesting bacteria and this was used to get the early rare steel used to forge Excalibur. This was some of the special knowledge in Old World metals.

The Jews and the Egyptians were masters in metal mining and working. King Solomon mined Gold in volcanic sites and the Egyptian holy temples were about mining Gold. The story of Mt. Sinai and Moses was about a volcano. The story and the assumptions from these Jewish histories are not about a relationship with God, the Creator. This Jewish interpretation for God causes serious problems in the world today.

I developed a fascination with volcanoes and visited many and walked on each like Moses did in his times. It was just for an experiment and I liked to be barefoot on hikes anyway. These little experiments lead to the long line of mining operations connected in the family back to ancient times. I also picked up that many beneficial metals aided in health and longevity. The Egyptians used ingesting elemental gold as a medicine. When I came to Oak Ridge I was to study the health effects from metals intensively from their many emissions.

During my stay at ORNL I worked on a variety of projects from those for the FEMA-COG projects to these of keeping the US Navy in RADIAC radiation instruments. I developed a system to topologically survey radiation areas, USRADS, for clean up when the Cold War subsided. I was considered a Genius by many and a danger because I knew too much about their hushed up serious problems. I even knew that Oak Ridge conspired to murder JFK to support their jobs there. I knew the major players the day it happened--they were Jewish and pro-Israel. One, I knew personally.

In working on FEMA-COG projects to keep the Govt. working if the Russians tried to decapitate the US leadership, I talked to persons that were involved in the nuclear bomb testing. My work on bomb survivable radiation detection network and "meteor-burst communication" systems provided me with very unique knowledge. These persons saw little brown skin natives put in cages for the nuclear tests to study the radiation and blast effects upon them. These little humans were also used in airborne balloon nuclear testing in 1947. This became the epic cover up in national security.

I have been to the Top Secret Presidential Bunker called "Mt. Weather," which is near Berryville, Va., for those meetings with the "Spooks" of the "Black Project" world. I have been to the homes of the Mt. Weather director and done dinners with he and others. I have been to the home of FEMA-COG person named Carl Siebentritt and done dinners with he and others. In my days at ORNL, I was highly recognized for my ideas and inventions. And most especially for my knowledge of the skeletons in the national security closet.

continued........

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 10:02 AM

At ORNL, I discovered the major health problems associated with Hydrogen Fluoride losses from the plant processes in Oak Ridge, particularly from the Gaseous Diffusion Plant called K-25. My discovery found that fluorides complex with various metals to upset the immune system via G-protein type pathways. The G-proteins were named after God Proteins and the discoverer went on to win the Nobel Prize years later. This process played a dominant role in immune illness, aging, and death. It was one "Mega" discovery that rocked the boat of profits from industry and showed many very wrong concepts. I showed the importance of human and animal development on this planet were highly tied to the trace metals in soils and water from volcanic and other releases.

I found that the huge health problem that HF and fluorides is that it upsets the trace metals in the body and cells and these are required for proper internal cell enzyme systems. Fluorine, being the highest electronegative element, has a high affinity for these beneficial trace metals. I also found that free oxygen radicals and ozone produce a similar effect because mono-atomic oxygen is the next closest to fluorine in electronegativity. External source radiation passing through the body makes free oxygen radicals from all the water and these upset these same trace metal effects. Internalized radiation emitters of alpha radiation are the worst because of their dense free oxygen radical generation rates.

In 1986, I had found the most epic discovery for the causation of cancers, which was that fluorine and free oxygen have very similar effects on cell trace metals necessary for cellular immune resistance. Both mechanisms attacked the beneficial trace metals in cells and bound them tightly due to the electronegative effects. This upset critical enzyme processes. The effect damages the response of netrophils, macrophages, and other immune sensing and killer cells. The discovery lead to tighter controls on ozone emissions and the realization that ozone levels in air are important to human lung health. It was this discovery that led to ways to modify illness pattern globally by inducing trace metals into the environment.

I also discovered the ideas for making "Chemtrails" or "Air Pharmacology" to treat the global warming and health effects. My ideas were to use Aluminum to seed clouds that are dispersed from jet plane fuel burning. The ideas also included the dispersion of cheep titanium to reduce the effects of fluoride-metal complex metals on animal health. The titanium and fluoride complex did not from the bonding angles that activated the G-protein bonding sites.

My ideas also included the use of Barium to introduce photoelectric effects into the air to make it conductive and change the potential gradient to reduce storm energies. This is a very secret program today, despite the easily observable jet trails in the skies raining down on the unsuspecting heads of humans daily. These type methods will give the US control of the weather and also slow down the problems of global warming and deadly storms.

These methods are related to colloid metal processes in both water and air, and lead to the kick off of the "Nano" materials research on health. In Chemtrail methods, colloid metal particles drift down through the air reacting with the sulfuric, HCl, HF acids and removing them. Colloid metal processes are the secret behind "Cold Fusion." Electrically conductive metal colloids set up a nano-interface for the fusion of deuterium atoms on the surfaces of metals.

My discoveries at ORNL have lead to some of the most secretive and intensive projects since the Manhattan Project. The secrecy of these projects are guaranteed by the very same system that was used to cover up and conceal the JFK assassination and the war crime murders of little jungle native aliens for atomic testing. The Jewish dominated national security system of the US can literally get away with the murder of US presidents.

At ORNL, I became one of the few persons ever exposed to a fission fast gas release from a fission problem in the ORNL gunnite tanks. This uncontained nuclear release accident would have closed down ORNL if Congress had learned of this problem. The highly radioactive Xenon and Krypton fast nuclear gases released posed a severe danger to the lab staff. I was one of the persons to get coated with this nuclear fallout.

Other problems that I knew about were the unsafe fuel storage at the ORNL MSRE reactor. A UF-6 criticality often forced HF into the building air and those exposed were used as guinea pigs to study what these low level releases did to human health. The MSRE fuel system used bellows valves that were easily ruptured from UF-6 criticality pressure surges. The radioactive fuel system cooked off fluorine gas, which then hit grease on the valve and water and made a rocket fuel explosion at MSRE. It made dozens of people very sick. I also knew of a nuclear accident at the Y-12 Chestnut Ridge burial ground that produced a "Column of Fire" from hydrogen emissions.

I was also privy to all the DOE's varied operations via varied information conduits. I knew there were vulnerabilities at Hanford from mortar hits to high level waste storage and my warning was heeded by nets put in place over these zones. I talked to the persons that personally witnessed the clogged filters at Rocky Flats with plutonium. I was aware of the methods using Freon burned in automobiles to cause "pass out" accidents, like the one that killed Karen Silkwood.

I knew about the CIA's Sydney Gottlieb experiments with LSD and the specialized "No Pest Strip" technique used with LSD to make targets paranoid and appear crazy. This is the technique suspected of being used on James Forrestal after he made a trip to determine the alien problems in 1947 and found essentially human experiment war crimes covered up by Truman. He was fired by Truman and died of problems that look like LSD induced suicide shortly afterwards.

I worked on microwave linked robotic manipulators that became the ideas for UAV's like the near noiseless and RADAR invisible "Dark Star" and the lesser "Predator." Dark Star could be equipped to carry Freon and use its pulse engine method to propel burned Freon smoke rings to the ground to make problems like in the Silkwood case.

My ideas went on to fund major projects at the DOE's area 51. Area 51 is where the DOE hides it most dangerous secrets that can put the White House presidents in jail for things from human experiment war crimes to the cover up of the End-Times health effects.

My ORNL information conduits lead straight to persons like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Reagan via the FEMA-COG connections. These connections are the shadow Govt. that keeps varied issues blacked out from public knowledge. Even many matters that are War Crimes and totally illegal.

Today, I am a legend in the world of national security for going straight and recommending the criminal prosecution of the upper levels of the shadow Govt. I used to work for the "crooks" of the Oak Ridge national security system as their most prolific inventor. I was the inventor that defined God for them and explained the messages of the Revelations.

I am now their worst enemy and a Whistleblower. I have been repeatedly attacked for coming out on these RICO Crimes and treason's against Americans. These attacks have slowed down my progress and left me with CFS related health problems due to plant fluorine exposures and fluoride chemical attacks.

These are the factors that make Oak Ridge the most corrupted city on the face of the planet. Oak Ridge sponsored the "City of Hate" that had JFK killed, and they sponsor varied Hate Crimes to this day. Oak Ridge also keeps the secret on how God from the Jewish texts is not a valid concept for God, the Creator. Oak Ridge's big secret here keeps the churches funded with scare tactics on God and fuels the fires of the Jewish and Arab war that is now called Terrorism. Oak Ridge gives Bush-41 his false platform for the NWO. Oak Ridge has again set up a make work project using false and illegal methods. Oak Ridge works by methods of Racketeering.

continued........

gaiacomm

01-19-2005, 10:03 AM

Take a break and enjoy the "Second Term video"

http://www.jibjab.com/lowband/default.htm

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 10:04 AM

Perhaps my most valuable discovery at ORNL was finding the real issues pertaining to the Ark of the Covenant. My studies found that Moses ran to the area of "Midian" and the City of "Madian" in Saudi Arabia after he killed an Egyptian. This area had a nearby volcano, which Moses came to know well with the "Burning Bush" story. The story of the "Burning Bush" is about an impending eruption and how plants could survive in such a harsh environment and was linked to the issues of the Manna food.

Moses was making a transition into monotheism in these times and he made a few mistakes in its execution. He was all for the Manna effects to feed the Jews, but against the Egyptian temple methods of golden calf style manna effects. This would lead back to the multiple gods of Egypt and Rome. Moses' big problem was he presented Mother Nature or the natural order as God. This is easily seen today, but perhaps not in these times of early transitions toward monotheism. Moses mistakes have grown to huge problems today due to persons not understanding this problem and taking things literally from him.

Manna was linked to the issue of the "Golden Calf," where gold rings were cooked in a fire with the meat. This coated the meat with some gold, which had a medicinal effect to ward off the health effects from volcanic toxic release, such as the very dangerous fluoride releases. The trace gold works by complexing with the fluoride and blocks the formation of dangerous G-proteins. It is an analogue of the titanium method used for chemtrails. This was how the titanium method was discovered.

I had explained the legend of the "Purple Manna" as that for gold colloid, which takes on a purple color. The "Gold Manna" was the ultimate perfection for the manna that interfered with the formation of the destructive fluoride-metal complex and allowed persons to survive in these toxic environments.

I found the basic secret for the "Manna" was the beneficial trace metals caused plants to grow like the best fertilizers ever seen. Manna was basically fertilizer using trace metals. The DOE today often takes its hazardous trace metals mining wastes and dumps them into fertilizer mills. The area where Moses fed the people with Manna was located downwind of this Mt. Sinai volcano, where these trace metals fell onto a large plain. And the famous rock that Moses split has a natural face upon it that looks a bit like Moses with an Egyptian religious headdress. During the times of the these eruptions, due to a geologic fault across the Red Sea crossing zone, the area would have been raised due to the volcanic pressures there.

This long finger of the Red Sea experiences tides of 24 ft. today. Add the effects of the times with the large volcanic dark clouds modifying the weather with high-pressure zones and strong winds adding to these tidal effects. Then, one has what caused the Red Sea to part and produce one of the most famous of battlefield uses of natural elements to establish a strategic win for Moses in freeing his people from Egypt. Moses was an expert on the region effects from the volcano by observation of this periodic effect. The US military seeks to learn and adapt these same methods to use weather for its purposes. This added a new chapter to the war college at West Point.

I defined a difference between the "God of Moses" and the "God the creator," or the intelligent force in the universe that sets up the natural order. God, the creator, as the intelligent force in the universe has made things like 4 state DNA chains that appear like billion-bit computer codes. The creator intelligence affects set up order in the universe and makes order from chaos. The God of Moses claimed the natural order effect of a volcano was God. God is not a volcano. This is an interesting difference that causes huge problems for religions and the Jew's beliefs on Moses. It is a real problem related to the creation of the nationalistic state of "Israel," which means to "struggle with God."

These ideas came to produce elements for the Star Wars "Excalibur" weapons system, as these volcanoes and nuclear weapons columns of fire tend to upset the Earth's potential gradient. When this merged with the Tunguska USSR Blast meteor effect, we had Excalibur that used LASERS to discharge the Earth's capacitor. And the ideas on weather modification using "HAARP" and "Chemtrail" photoelectric methods. The ideas also explained the problems that Noah experienced from larger weather effects of a volcanic detonation in his times causing huge rains for 40 days and nights, and how these two events of the Ark are related.

My explanations for these Biblical "miracles" were the rational explanations for known natural order effects on this planet due to volcanic effects. In the mid-1980s, this explanation became widely accepted in national security circles for the truth on the biblical narratives and record. The simple truths in this explanation threatened everything from religion to medicine, and the hiding of this truth could be used for extreme exploitation by the rich and powerful. The Bush Empire types are the lead exploiters in the US. They commit crimes against the world with these cover-ups from religion.

Religion in the US avoids telling these simple explanations of the Old Testaments narratives, because these religion factions know this will change things for religion. They will no longer be able to make their false claims of miracles and invoke their alleged special associations with God. Most of them will be exposed as misleading the country and setting up the differences leading to the End-Times war. They won't be seen as clearly stating what Jesus was speaking about in his Revelations. One needs to keep in mind that the word "Jesus" in Hebrew means, "God Saves." The truth here will separate religion's leaders from the money they have made by spinning exaggerated tales for simple effect from nature.

I had discovered that the Bible's miracles were really just simple rational events of natural processes. There were no real miracles, only misrepresentation and overselling by those interested in making money from religion. This information threatened the religious evangelists that depend on the idea of miracles to sell their religion. I had explained the Manna effects, the Dead Sea Crossing, the Image of a human on the rock that Moses split, the factors driving the End-Times, and the rational processes that make them happen. I even had the main driver for Armageddon in my grasp, and it was totally rooted in misrepresentation. Religion had then become a racketeering operation due to these blatant misrepresentations. US religion and Zionism provokes terrorism due to these untruths.

Today, when these simple truths should be made available for all to know, they are hidden as much if not more than in biblical times. It is time that all these simple truths get laid bare on the table for all peoples to see. Such simple truths lead to greater world revelations about where we should be as a nation and as a world. The truths here will suggest that modern medicine is a profit making ruse on the world and that there is a better and less expensive way to provide for world health. This would help the SS budget and Medicare expenditures.

These truths revealed on the use of Chemtrails will show that the US Govt. has long known the truth on what causes the AIDS epidemic. Chemtrails use a truncated version of the Manna effect. And AIDS is the direct result of too much fluoride in the environment that is upsetting the beneficial trace metals in the human cells and immune system. This leads to a lower level of metals, like manganese, that block the reverse transcription of HIV. This is a very important concept from the End-Times predictions of huge health plagues sweeping the planet and all very predictable from the old biblical times for those that knew the mining industries.

I had made some of the most relevant discoveries of the 20th and 21st century by study of metal colloids or metal nano-particles. These near mono-atomic particles delivered the unique abilities to cure disease by running interference with fluoride compounds and by setting up methods to curb global warming by using jet plane distribution techniques. All these ideas came from walking barefoot on volcanoes and learning about the Old World narratives related to my lineage.

Thus, one may now see what my new effort has become since leaving the criminals of Oak Ridge. The new effort is to put the criminals in jail and to expose the truth of the better ways and the real meanings these old texts of religion were intended to present to this dying world. Some of the biggest criminals in this process reside in the White House and its cabinet, and they use and abuse these factors of religion. Everyone is invited to read, learn, and then help with this most benevolent mission.

"Your Mission [as readers]," "should you decide to accept it," is to help in these times of the revelations to lay down the pathway to the promised land of a thousand years of peace and abundant health that has not been known on this planet for 6,000 years. It is not an impossible mission. It is a mission that should have already been done, if the US were honest.

This will be my gift to you and the nations of the world. Use it wisely and honestly. This is my "Magnum-Opus Project," to right the wrongs of the Manhattan Project and the crooks of the national security system of the US shadow Govt.

This is your Delusional and insane attempt to pull off a hoax.......JIMMY BOY.......

NOTHING MORE......NOTHING LESS...........

WMM

whitemajikman

01-19-2005, 10:11 AM

Jimmy Boy.......

Instead of picking on Halva......

Who was man enough to admit that when it comes to the Science Behind Global Warming .........that he is in the dark.

YOU could Try to explain how you have let your delusions get in the way of your better Judgement......

DUMB ASS........

WMM

jayreynolds

01-19-2005, 11:26 AM

Halva appears so insincere toward religion as to attempt to put forth that it should not be believed or even used as part of the wake up call on the environment and health.

You know, Wayne, maybe Jiim is right. I remember back when you purposefully removed all the Revelations material from Jim's essay. You made it sterile, so sterile, in fact, that no one even responded to it. Remember, Wayne?
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25770&highlight=#25770

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"An edited version of the Jim Phelps texts, with the English corrected and the religious references removed, could be very useful in getting the point across to key people in the ecological milieu. In fact I think I'll do this editing work, and see if we can get it into Greek.

Jim Phelps' religious preoccupations would diminish his effectiveness as a 'whistle blower'. We need these things being said by people who are more focused and tough-minded."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6008&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
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I'm hoping you don't start posting about religion issues over at chemtrailcentral, Jimbo. You'll find Wayne and some of his buddies will start the attack pretty quick.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 12:49 PM

Halva,

You should not edit any material from my view of things that extracts any of the religion issues, or take anything out of context. Either quote the entire thing or not at all. And give full credit for who said it.

Perhaps it would be better if you did not even bother to pass anything along to others by adding you views, edits, or deletions in any way shape, manner, or form.

Just because you're not bright enough to comprehind it does not give you any permissions to take things out of context.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-19-2005, 04:01 PM

Hot new photos: http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/haik.html

Yaak

01-19-2005, 05:58 PM

Jimmy Phelps says, â€œSome of you may wonder who in the world that I am.â€

Who in the world that you are, Jimmy?

From: Who Are You?
By: The Who

chorus:
"Well, who are you? (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
I really wanna know (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
Tell me, who the fuck are you? (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
'Cause I really wanna know (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)"

Who Cares?

Yaak

01-19-2005, 06:28 PM

Halva,

..............blah, blah, blah................

In Tennessee, we call those folks Dumb-Asses. From looking at this thread and the progress you have made----your actions appear to fit the definition.

I think you might have just qualified. And your not requited to do anything, and you really don't.

You are not required to have knowledge and process intelligently in Greece, but you are required to show up at the Cafe and interject asanine remarks constantly.

I think it is going to get real interesting with Reynolds, who claims there are no jet trails, and me, who claims to have come up with such ideas---both coming down on one point in Greece.

You might do a lot better just staying home, for I don't think all this noise your making is worth much. You are an embarrassment to aerosol activism, global warming movement, and human intelligence based on learning skills.

You might not be required to have knowledge and learning skills, but it is a requirement to discuss the relevant factors. You are a ball and chain holding things down. Your accomplishments are likely going to be born from plagarism of others, and no thinking on your part.

IMHFingO
is

Somebody questioned the wet mark on the floor coming in one door and exiting the other. "Oh, that was just Wayne Hall passing through," remarked another.

Wayne, I am amazed at how you allow Jim Phelps to publicly disgrace you like this. Have your liberal attitude and your absence of values and integrity totally jellified your spine? Are you unable to stand up against Jim's ruthless attack against your character? Have you no dignity left, whatsoever?

jayreynolds

01-19-2005, 06:49 PM

Hot new photos: http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/haik.html

Well, now I'm confused. The URL for these photos says "chemtrails".

But each and every photo that includes the aircraft shows a commercial jet
with what are called contrails coming directly from the engines.

Checking out the Holmestead website a little further, I find that it does define "chemtrails":

"The aircraft types are KC-10A, KC-135R (much like a 707) together with C-130 turboprop aircraft for certain low-level spraying. The KC-10A is a three engine aircraft and would normally leave three parallel contrails in its wake. The KC-135 is a four-engine aircraft that would typically display four fine parallel contrail lines. When used during chemtrail missions; however, these aircraft lay down only a single, thick, billowy chemtrail plume while simultaneously displaying no normal contrails."

Well, obviously the images Jimbo pointed out to us ARE NOT CHEMTRAILS!

The airplanes display "four fine parallel contrail lines", they are not military jets, thus what Jimbo directs our attention towards are ordinary contrails, not "chemtrails" at all.

jayreynolds

01-19-2005, 06:52 PM

. Have your liberal attitude and your absence of values and integrity totally jellified your spine? Are you unable to stand up against Jim's ruthless attack against your character? Have you no dignity left, whatsoever?

Wayne has finally ignore-listed someone, and it is Jimbo.
Well, Jimbo ol buddy, it's just you and us.

Now, let's get down and start the debate.

stuart_allsop

01-19-2005, 07:17 PM

Jimmy Boy.......

YOU could Try to explain how you have let your delusions get in the way of your better Judgement......

WMM

Wow! Thanks, Shawn, I had seen bits and pieces of that insane rant before, but never had the .. err ... "pleasure"(?) of seeing it all together in one place. Pretty wild stuff, ain't it? I wonder ow much LSD you need to inject directly in to the pre-frontal cortex, in order to acheive that level of halluciantory lunacy? Even READING it boggles the mind: I hate to think just how boggled the mind must have been that WROTE it!

halva

01-19-2005, 09:08 PM

Wayne has finally ignore-listed someone, and it is Jimbo.
Well, Jimbo ol buddy, it's just you and us.

Now, let's get down and start the debate.

I have not ignore-listed Jim and I might add that it suits me much better to play a lazy unintelligent bum vs anti-semitic religious yokel game with Jim than talk to Raynolds about anything.

The more all non-debunkers here talk to each other, even abusing each other, rather than talk to Raynolds, the better.

halva

01-19-2005, 09:15 PM

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/cgi-bin/MasterPFP.cgi?doc=http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011905_university_washington.shtml

MIKE RUPPERT - LIVE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
Standing Room Only as Activism Takes a New Direction
by
Ken Levine

Â© Copyright 2004, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

January 19, 2005 (FTW) -- On Saturday night, January 15th, at Kane Hall, on the campus of the University of Washington in Seattle, a standing room only crowd of almost 1000 witnessed a new and aggressive presentation by Michael C. Ruppert, as he began the healing process of moving forward from the 9-11 focus many had associated him with for years. In front of a wildly enthusiastic throng of supporters, listeners, activists, and those just needing to learn and listen, Ruppert explained to them that although the 9-11 cause is still alive it is no longer useful as a political tool by activists. The window on 9/11 has closed. Simple as that.

The event, sponsored by the Citizen's Truth Alliance and the 9/11 Visibility Project was widely endorsed throughout the Seattle area by groups including Seattle Thunder. Mike was introduced by 9/11 colleague and 9/11 Visibility leader Emmanuel Sferios who also serves as the webmaster for www.911truth.org.

Even though 9-11 and all that goes along with it, as well as his book Crossing the Rubicon are useful and important, he believes that no sanctions, indictments or criminal prosecution will ever be handed down. Rubicon, he says, remains a base map of the decades before and the years since 9/11. But now he says we must look at the herd of elephants charging at us, instead of the one elephant that just ran us over.

That analogy, combined with some terrific slides showcasing the herd of elephants and the single elephant, went a long way in explaining his very well thought out point this particular evening. A full seventy-five per cent of Ruppert's lecture was never-before-seen material.

A packed house
Mike told the crowd to be prepared for a tremendous devaluation of the dollar; that the housing boom is ending; that we should begin to look at putting our money, or whatever cash we have left, into precious metals; that we must rid ourselves of debt, get out of the stock market and begin to think about a more self-sufficient living style. We must reduce personal consumption. We should understand that OIL and natural gas are the governing issues that control what the present administration does and we should stop the pipedreams of launching criminal action against the Cheneys, Bushes, et al., because it just isn't going to happen. Not in this version of America.

Summation of Crossing the Rubicon
Many in the large audience were expecting the presentation that Ruppert has delivered since the release of his landmark Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire At The End of The Age of Oil; they were treated to a "greatest hits" introduction along with some very important and poignant "new releases."

Peak Oil has been "outed."
The crowd did cheer when Mike named Vice-President Dick Cheney a murderer. They listened intently as Mike explained what was going on in the world right now regarding Venezuela, Nigeria, Iran, China and the United States.

Paying close attention
When Ruppert's presentation was over, when the last of the crowd that stood in a long line had asked him questions and waited for his answers, and when Mike finally put his pen down after autographing more than 150 copies of his Crossing the Rubicon, it became obvious to me what the underlying question was for this evening.

Which way do we go now?

stuart_allsop

01-19-2005, 11:26 PM

halva

01-20-2005, 03:04 AM

The following is an extract from â€˜An Execution in the Familyâ€™, the autobiography of Robert Meeropol, younger son of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg.

In 1970 Robert and his wife Elli were members of the more radical (and more violent) wing of the student organization SDS.

â€˜Elli and I felt we were betraying the revolution by leaving the country to do fieldwork in Europe, but we could not let Professor Wolf down. We left what we ruefully called the war zone, and within two weeks Elli and I were ensconced in a Catalan peasant village of three hundred in the foothills of the Pyrennes. Cultural anthropological fieldwork suited me because its participant-observer method of information-gathering was in sync with the way I had entered new social situations since I was a child. I grew up being observant and cautious so as not to offend anyone inadvertently, and that meshed well with how cultural anthropolotists were supposed to behave when they first encountered the people they planned to study. Elli and I acted as sponges, becoming almost fluent in Spanish, soaking up as much knowledge as possible.

Suddenly so far removed from the SDS life weâ€™d been living, we began to view our actions of the past year with growing detachment and criticism. We walked the lushly forested hills amid birdsong, keeping vigilant eyes out for the tiny brown vipers that lived in the area. Our daily goals shifted from smashing the state to polishing off the liter of potent sherrylike red wine we were served with our midday meal. We talked at length, and within weeks concluded that we had taken a wrong turn politically. We reminisced about how once we laughed and had fun with our politics. Until recently weâ€™d never taken ourselves too seriously and never lost sight of the absurd in the world. But in the past year weâ€™d become deadly serious. Our recent actions had been motivated by responsive anger rather than the joy of creating a better world.â€™

That Jim, is the only message I have at this forum. My only task is to get us away from being motivated by responsive anger rather than the joy of creating a better world.

The mission that Raynolds and his stooges have set themselves here is to get us to react to what they say and do. We are not going to, because it they donâ€™t matter a damn and we donâ€™t have to persuade them or convince them of anything.

The role I have been seeking here is the role of the politician, not the expert. I would like you to be my advisor. Just as Footsoldier was my advisor in the preparation of â€˜Climate Change Jekylls and Hydesâ€™.

I want you to be my scientific advisor, not my spiritual advisor.

halva

01-20-2005, 03:47 AM

By the way, Jim, any theories on why the Jews chose to scapegoat the Jewish Rosenberg family for their own actions in installing (or allowing to be installed) Soviet spies in the atomic bomb program?

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 04:06 AM

I have not ignore-listed Jim and I might add that it suits me much better to play a lazy unintelligent bum vs anti-semitic religious yokel game with Jim than talk to Raynolds about anything.

NOT A NICE WAY TO ADDRESS THE LEADER, WAYNE!

halva

01-20-2005, 04:58 AM

You see. Now it's Raynolds who's in reactive mode.

Let's keep him that way.

stuart_allsop

01-20-2005, 05:20 AM

GAIACOMM: I'm sure you mentioned it somewhere, but I can't find it: What exactly did you say your relationship is with the "company" Gaiacomm International?

halva

01-20-2005, 05:29 AM

Deborah any posting at all by you at this point would give Raynolds something to attack and so solve his problem.

And Jim, you could play your leadership role most effectively at the new forum you started a couple of months ago and where I joined you.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 07:09 AM

Halva writes:

"By the way, Jim, any theories on why the Jews chose to scapegoat the Jewish Rosenberg family for their own actions in installing (or allowing to be installed) Soviet spies in the atomic bomb program?"

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Halva,

It is an simple as to why there are two opposing political systems, communism vs free states ideals.

All the Russians that started the Communism movement were Jewish. There are some forward thinking and aware Jews around that can see the problems in their religion that promotes "state within a state" problems that control Govt. The Jews that founded Communist Russia were putting an end to the state within a state problems that not only promoted religion and nationalism of Jews, but also sought to end the economic and banking controls that came hand in hand with such problems.

The basic problem with Communism Vs the US free religion is and aways will be simply the rejection of the systems that come with the free religion. In the US the free religion factors have allowed the Jews machine to take control of the US from within and it is no longer a free state----but one that is highly controlled and owned. The predictions of the Russians has come true on its falling from within.

Like it or not, you are going to have to learn US and its religion factors to understand the Rosenburg spy deal. The Rosenburgs well knew the problems of US religion and why the Communist state of Russia came into being. They were sympathizers with Communisms ideals on limiting religion, avoiding the state within a state control, and rejecting the associated bankers to wield the economic control. The Rosenburgs sought to keep a sort of power balance between the US/Religion and Russia/Communism.

It is the very same equations on why the CIA exists in the US. The CIA is about spying against the Communists and playing dirty tricks to harm the Communists who reject the economic and religious mind control from the bad aspects of religion. The CIA supports the free religion political systems and thus the power of this religious/political system to take control with economic methods. It is a system that negates power of the people and Govt, toward power being soly in the hands of those with the money and the mind control games of religion.

Religion supports a lie, a lie which is fully about the definition of god vs God. If you understand why Jesus was seen as the Reformer you can recognize the lie. If you can't understand that----then there is little use to proceed. Just go sit in the corner with the Dunce Cap on and we can get you the title you appear to covet----namely dumb-ass.

Only when you see the extreme balance of power issues in the US due to this religion system effect can you even begin to understand the Rosenburg issues. When you understand the issues well you have to admit that the CIA is about one thing----support of the big money system of the US represented by the dominately Jewish owned Fed Reserve. The CIA poisons and attempts to kill all Communist states that rejected this system of power. The CIA was about attemping to block the Domino Effect of the world falling to Communist control----which is all about ending the Rothschilds and Jewish religion empire.

The Rosenburgs did not want to live the lie supported by the US allegence to the big money control----which is the US shadow Govt. Freedom in the US is an illusion, because the country is run by these dominately rich Jewish controlled money systems. The Rosenburgs sought to keep that insanity from affected the entire world by doing some spy work to help the balance of power between the US Jewish dominated economy systems and the Communist system that rejected religion control and associated economic domination that bypasses and runs over the power of the appointed Govt.

The entire deal on Communism vs US is the religion factor coupled with extreme economic domination. It is purely about the lie sustained in religion, that essentially makes one group children of god, and sets up an nationalistic problem that has become huge. In the US, this system killed Lincoln, killed JFK, killed RFK, and even killed MLK to sustain it from being exposed and an end put to their extreme control games aimed at their New World Ownership. A NWO they want so bad, even if they have to kill every Arab in the entire world to get there.

I suspect the Rosenburgs saw some of the warnings about the rise of the anti-Christ, just as MLK was seeing those issues. I am pretty sure they saw how the Rothschilds systems to making wars to gain control was working and the issues of the "Phonex" methods of world domination. The Rothschilds always rise from the ashes of war with all the money and ownership of countries. This is why Hitler was against the harsh economic controls against Germany from WWI.

It was this same sort of thing that Jewish Teller used to get Oppenheimer out of the way to proceed with his bigger bomb for the Jewish Fed Reserv ownership and world domination of Superpowers. Oppenheimer had a real good idea of the basic differences of Communism vs US.

The Rosenburgs chose not to support the lie, they supported the lesser evil.

Unless Halva can make these associations on communism and its knowledge of religion's downside, you can never understand the main issues of the US vs Communism-----and the coupled economic dicotomy.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 07:22 AM

Halva writes:

"The role I have been seeking here is the role of the politician, not the expert. I would like you to be my advisor. Just as Footsoldier was my advisor in the preparation of ‘Climate Change Jekylls and Hydes’.

I want you to be my scientific advisor, not my spiritual advisor."

=============

This is precisely why you have the dunce cap on and are being shunned into the corner and dubbed the title you seek of the Dumb-Ass.

You are like talking with a GD brick wall at times.

My science says simply that religion is about science and the natural order is God, and it is consistent with Jesus ideals, but not with the Jews version of things.

Likewise, in politics of Communism vs the US economics -- religion is coupled to the money power system.

I cannot and will not seperate science from religion, because the true defintion is they are one in the same.

And you get the Dunce Chair because you keep insisting on separating the two, when logic and all things good says one cannot.

If you keep trying to do that you will acquire a net effect more evil than the Jay Reynolds mob gang that supports the GOP coupled religion factors with the big money control systems of the US.

You claim to seem to know politics and Communism factors----but what I see tells me you don't even understand the basics. Likewise, in the US causalities you flip flop----sometimes saying if I wanna know about Jews I'll ask Europeans or Germans. When, the logical and sensible person seeks all knowledge pertaining to the factors of Jews, even if it lies in the US and the history of the Manhattan Project and this leading to the Economic domination of the US for the efforts of the long term plan of the NWO.

At this rate Halva, you may be in the Dunce Chair for years. You are attempting to be a fake politician, because you don't understand the most huge issues of world politics.

Like I keep saying, I am part of a round table----not your personal advisor on anything. You can easily find yourself at the pointed end of my remarks as easily as Reynolds, when you distort reality far too much. You should not even attempt to even pretend to be a leader, unless you can show that you can garner respect of others. So far, the best you have attained is sitting in the corner, failing to understand what is obvious.

You are still sounding like a dictator, who keeps saying do things my way. What part of "NO" are you failing to read here.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 07:29 AM

Reynolds' Mob Motto:

http://www.hermes-press.com/suskind.htm

From an article by Ron Suskind in the New York Times: "In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 08:51 AM

Peak Oil Wars have begun--

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney

by
Michael Kane

"Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production
reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be
harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover
and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at
least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy
wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a
summary of these points)"

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 09:10 AM

GAIACOMM: I'm sure you mentioned it somewhere, but I can't find it: What exactly did you say your relationship is with the "company" Gaiacomm International?

Who wants know?

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 10:00 AM

Halva,

You need to do all your homework on US and CIA. Chile was a successful version of Cuba for the US's CIA.

While Cuba, after some 30 attempts to kill Castro and ruin their economies, Castro lives and does well. Castro's mom was Jewish and Castro's Foreign Intelligence Advisor is named Israel Baha, Jewish linked, and he has busted up all the plots to kill Castro.

So, when you get people like ole stuart simon hanging around-----one needs to factor those associations.

IMHO,
is

whitemajikman

01-20-2005, 10:05 AM

Jimmy who exactly are you on Maverick's board........?

And Don't give me the Crap that you are not at least Lurking there.......

Your new Subject matter for your posts Speak volumes.......

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 10:31 AM

Paranoia often runs rampant in the mind of a Jew that does not know God, cause they tend to support the lie, and keep trying to see who sees them for what they are.

Soon, his paranoia will see a Jim behind ever screen name he sees, then every tree, every blade of grass---and he wll be consumed by his lies.

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 10:50 AM

Jews!

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 11:05 AM

Gaia,

I want to commend you on the lighting up on the heavy stuff you sometimes say. If this is to work well here, we need to keep in mind the non-violent ways that MLK used to promote change.

The last thing people here need to do is give reason for themselves to be attacked because the language was too extreme. People should not step over the blue line by making threats or even veiled threats. For those that do this, the rest of us have to stand well separated.

The last thing you want to do is empower these Rumsfeld types by stepping over the line.

These same cautions apply to Shadow. I know Shadow is very put out with Reynolds and this is exactly what he wants you to be. So, don't allow yourself to escallate words beyond those well below the blue lines---but the crude manipulations and taunts from Reynolds mob. When any one of you do stuff like that----It pulls all the rest down.

So, think of the bigger picture and keep things down to a respectable rumble.

Think always of the non-violence approach that MLK and others use effectively.

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 11:33 AM

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 11:45 AM

These same cautions apply to Shadow. I know Shadow is very put out with Reynolds and this is exactly what he wants you to be. So, don't allow yourself to escallate words beyond those well below the blue lines---but the crude manipulations and taunts from Reynolds mob. When any one of you do stuff like that----It pulls all the rest down.

'Shadow' is finished.
You won't hear more from any 'Shadow'.

But you are definitely correct that some on your side pull the others down. Wayne has always tried to do that, and has run off most of the good debaters that came here early on. You can see it in the first twenty or so pages.

Jimbo, perhaps you shouldn't blame everything on Wayne. At the time he edited your writing, he was under heavy pressure from Sore Throat, Chem11, and the rest of the 'Mech' MOB over at CTC to get rid of you there. I'm not sure if he's actually had you in a 'holding pattern' here at arianna's while he edits your stuff to suit Mech and Sore's taste, but maybe that's why he wants you to go on to another hidden forum where he can try and keep you out of sight.

A friendly warning, though, Jim. Mech, swampass and Sore throat run things over at CTC. They got rid of Gaiacomm, they got rid of me, and if you post too much over there they will start riding you too, especially swampass. Watch your back.

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 01:27 PM

Jr and Company are finished as well!

stuart_allsop

01-20-2005, 03:54 PM

Who wants know?
me!

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 04:08 PM

me!

Go to the website and look at the contacts section...its all there!

www.gaiacomminternational.com

stuart_allsop

01-20-2005, 05:09 PM

Go to the website and look at the contacts section...its all there!

www.gaiacomminternational.comI did, but which one are YOU! That's the question. Are you all of them? Some of them? Only one of them? None of them?

Which one are you, Judah?

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 05:45 PM

I did, but which one are YOU! That's the question. Are you all of them? Some of them? Only one of them? None of them?

Which one are you, Judah?

You already know that answer!

Yaak

01-20-2005, 06:08 PM

I did, but which one are YOU! That's the question. Are you all of them? Some of them? Only one of them? None of them?

Which one are you, Judah?

gaiacomminternational.com "powered by digimoto."

http://www.digi-moto.com/ (http://www.digi-moto.com/)

"Digi-Moto specializes in creating professional business sites and fluid multimedia."

"If your business doesn't have a site, you could be missing out. Take advantage of our First Steps Package (http://www.digi-moto.com/services.html) and get online quickly and affordably. This includes 1 site design, 3-4 pages, 50 email accounts, domain name registration, site setup and one year hosting. Price: $850."

That is a lot of money to spend on a dummy web site.

------------------------------------------

I wonder what happens to resumes that are submitted to Gaiacomm International Corporation. Often times people include too much personal information on their resumes. Mistakes like that can lead to identity theft.

At the Gaiacomm International web site click "forward your resume to us (rcotton@accesssource.com)" You will get this email address: rcotton@accesssource.com (rcotton@accesssource.com).
Wait a minute, Rob S. Cotton is "Co-Founder, Director of Human Resources" of Gaiacomm International Corporation.

http://www.accesssource.com is:
Access Source Group
Executive Recruitment and Placement
812 S. Garfield Avenue Suite D
Traverse City, MI 49686
Tel: 231.947.4982
Fax: 231.947.4484
Jobs@accesssource.com (Jobs@accesssource.com)

------------------------------------------

Gaiacomm International Corporation's mailing address might lead you to believe that they are located in Jacksonville, FL.

PO Box 23903 | Jacksonville, FL 32241-3903

The Jacksonville, Florida, Chamber of Commerce has never heard of Gaiacomm International Corporation.
Neither has Directory Assistance for Jacksonville, Florida.

------------------------------------------

The Thomas Register does not list Gaiacomm International Corporation nor Gaiacomm. http://www.thomasnet.com/

You gotta lotta splaining to do, gaiacomm.

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 06:59 PM

Hot new photos: http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/haik.html

Hey, Jimbo.
Don't look now, but all those photos were taken by various pilots on various planes, in various locations around the world.

They were NOT taken by some pilot named "HAIK" flying a FEDEX cargo jet.

They were ripped off photos from the world's largest database of amateur aviation photos, airliners.net.

I went to the search engine at airliners.net and typed keyword "contrails", almost all the pics came up.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/M/
Sponsor Message: This photo is copyright protected and may not be used in any way without proper permission. More
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second hit:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/556245/M/
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third hit:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/425455/M/
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/680392/M/
=======================
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/680392/M/
=======================
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/684854/M/

Better tell Holmes he got taken in by a hoax. Airliners.net will be after him soon for copyright violation.

The guy hasn't much sense, sorta like our very own "DUMBASS" around here.
STOOPID DUMBASS CHEMMIES!!!!

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 07:05 PM

You gotta lotta splaining to do, gaiacomm.

Looks like things are falling apart for the chemmies tonight.....................
I wonder what will happen when we 'drop the big one'?

The Shadow

01-20-2005, 07:28 PM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224732

'Shadow' is finished.
You won't hear more from any 'Shadow'.What gives you that idea, Jayhole? You are correct, however, that I am very close to being finished with you. â€œShadowâ€ and not â€œDianeâ€ this time. Interesting...

Jim, pay close attention to Jayholeâ€™s manipulation and attempt at sucking up to you with â€œfriendly warningsâ€ in the remainder of this post.

But you are definitely correct that some on your side pull the others down. Wayne has always tried to do that, and has run off most of the good debaters that came here early on. You can see it in the first twenty or so pages.

Jimbo, perhaps you shouldn't blame everything on Wayne. At the time he edited your writing, he was under heavy pressure from Sore Throat, Chem11, and the rest of the 'Mech' MOB over at CTC to get rid of you there. I'm not sure if he's actually had you in a 'holding pattern' here at arianna's while he edits your stuff to suit Mech and Sore's taste, but maybe that's why he wants you to go on to another hidden forum where he can try and keep you out of sight.

A friendly warning, though, Jim. Mech, swampass and Sore throat run things over at CTC. They got rid of Gaiacomm, they got rid of me, and if you post too much over there they will start riding you too, especially swampass. Watch your back.Jim, Jayholeâ€™s concern for your welfare almost brings a tear to your eye. But wait... thereâ€™s more...

In a particularly vicious and revealing post, Jayholeâ€™s treachery, scheming, and psychopathic nature is particularly well showcased (as if you did not already know).

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221758

Well, I know when I've lit a match under your ass, you whining little bitch.

Come, now, bring it on, I've been waiting for your people to up and do something for years now.

Of course, if you decide to act out against ME, what you are doing is admitting you have no intention of acting against that which you claim to REALLY BE AGAINST!

Deborah, what's got your claws out is the fact that I showed, by your own words, that YOU KNOW the whole Tellerian "deep shield" aluminum being sprayed hoax is false.

YOU KNOW that such a scheme must be done in the stratosphere.
YOU KNOW that the planes you see are in the troposhere.
YOU KNOW that what Wayne is pushing is NOT TRUE.
YOU KNOW that what Jimbo is saying reveals him to be a nutcase.
YOU KNOW that what you see aren't "chemtrails" at all.
YOU KNOW that they are just contrails.

Now, considering all these things that YOU KNOW, what sort of fantasy land do you really live in, to stay here alongside liars like Wayne, and wacko's like Jim Phelps, and then say:

"You are leaving out a crucial component of the total picture here and that is the absolutely necessary emergence of a critical mass of public will to face and begin to deal with reality where this issue is concerned. There is a great deal of reliable information out there but it is useful only in proportion to the general publicâ€™s willingness to at least consider it."

Deborah, you simply can't have it both ways. You can't live two contradictory lives and maintain sanity. This sort of cosmic conundrum is what drives you back here for your lesson again and again. It's why, despite Wayne's orders, you keep coming back for more. And the more you deny it the more the cognitive dissonance grows. You really can't blame me for it, when it's all inside YOUR head.

Sooner or later you are going to have to deal with the reality that you can't expect a "critical mass" to believe you are telling the truth when you associate with people like Wayne Hall, who you have stated promotes the "deep shield" hoax, and you won't find people considering you sane when you ally yourself with nutcases like Jim Phelps.

Cast off these millstones around your neck, Deborah Stark. Look around you, look in the mirror and see exactly who and what is holding you down. You won't find me among them. I've always been one of your best friends, even if I have some tough things to say it's all been for your benefit.

Get reality back in your life Deborah, and maybe once you learn a little about what reality really is, just maybe, then you might have a tiny little itsy-bitsy chance to see "the general public's willingness to at least consider" that you have anything at all worthwhile to offer.

Until you do, you are spinning in an ever-smaller circle here at arianna's, and squandering both momentum and credibility with each moment you waste.One moment, Jayhole screeches at Deborah, calling her a â€œwhining little bitch.â€ Then, like the horror movie monster he personifies, he rationalizes his crazed outburst with the tender consolation, â€œI've always been one of your best friends, even if I have some tough things to say it's all been for your benefit.â€ How many times have members of a jury listened to similar reasoning and testimony from an abusive husband or boyfriend as they convict him of assault and battery or even murder?

At this point, I believe that it would be advantageous to have Jayholeâ€™s own family examined for bruises and other signs of physical violence. For obvious reasons, they should at least be interviewed to obtain evidence of psychological abuse. It is only a matter of time before message boards no longer supply him with an ample thrill. At that time, he will snap and â€œdrop the big oneâ€ on them.

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 07:38 PM

gaiacomminternational.com "powered by digimoto."

http://www.digi-moto.com/ (http://www.digi-moto.com/)

"Digi-Moto specializes in creating professional business sites and fluid multimedia."

"If your business doesn't have a site, you could be missing out. Take advantage of our First Steps Package (http://www.digi-moto.com/services.html) and get online quickly and affordably. This includes 1 site design, 3-4 pages, 50 email accounts, domain name registration, site setup and one year hosting. Price: $850."

That is a lot of money to spend on a dummy web site.

------------------------------------------

I wonder what happens to resumes that are submitted to Gaiacomm International Corporation. Often times people include too much personal information on their resumes. Mistakes like that can lead to identity theft.

At the Gaiacomm International web site click "forward your resume to us (rcotton@accesssource.com)" You will get this email address: rcotton@accesssource.com (rcotton@accesssource.com).
Wait a minute, Rob S. Cotton is "Co-Founder, Director of Human Resources" of Gaiacomm International Corporation.

http://www.accesssource.com is:
Access Source Group
Executive Recruitment and Placement
812 S. Garfield Avenue Suite D
Traverse City, MI 49686
Tel: 231.947.4982
Fax: 231.947.4484
Jobs@accesssource.com (Jobs@accesssource.com)

------------------------------------------

Gaiacomm International Corporation's mailing address might lead you to believe that they are located in Jacksonville, FL.

PO Box 23903 | Jacksonville, FL 32241-3903

The Jacksonville, Florida, Chamber of Commerce has never heard of Gaiacomm International Corporation.
Neither has Directory Assistance for Jacksonville, Florida.

------------------------------------------

The Thomas Register does not list Gaiacomm International Corporation nor Gaiacomm. http://www.thomasnet.com/

You gotta lotta splaining to do, gaiacomm.

No we don't. What you see is what you see!

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 07:40 PM

Looks like things are falling apart for the chemmies tonight.....................
I wonder what will happen when we 'drop the big one'?

JR, you have alot to explain as well!

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 07:48 PM

Hi Shadow,

Yes, I know---Reynolds is just like a Copperhead always coiled to strike. One never trusts a copperhead, nor Reynolds.

Reynolds and his mob are just like the coal mine operator and strike breakers of old days, always playing games to sucker the little guy. You can't get any lower than snakes and his fungus mob.

Thanks for staying under the blue line. I knew Reynolds was lying when you said you would not be back around. Welcome back !!

One always keeps track of the Reynolds whoppers for the day. Reynolds really big lie of the day is how jet planes burning high hydrogen fuels and chemically converting that to lots of chemically derived water with kerosine/ etc. is not chemtrails. Plus you get all that CO-2 and NOx compounds--black soot--those are chemical trails. Chemically derived oily water jet trails are chemtrails (aerosols), and when these combine with all the acids in the air (toxic aerosols) and poison the land with acid liberated toxic metals. It is all about toxic chemistry. Its all about jet planes poisoning the landscape in much the same way the strip mine operators poisoned Appalachia for decades. Then they have to come around and try to fix it with titanium dioxide spraying to capture the NOx and cut the ground ozone.

True snakes these Reynolds crooks are, and biting unsuspecting people every day. The Reynolds gang is all for poisoning those kids out in Fallon, Nv with JP-8. We can always use good Mongooses to defend the little innocent children.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 08:02 PM

Hey, Shadow. I've got one word for you...............

Rabbit.

Yaak

01-20-2005, 08:06 PM

No we don't. What you see is what you see!
Here is what I see, gaiacomm, a dummy storefront for these professional headhunters, a resume collection scheme:

Access Source Group
Executive Recruitment and Placement
812 S. Garfield Avenue Suite D
Traverse City, MI 49686
Tel: 231.947.4982
Fax: 231.947.4484

I say that Gaiacomm International is a scam. Prove me wrong. Defend yourself. I will cheerfully retract my statement and apologize if you will show me that I am in error.

I think you are part of this group: Liberals, Liars, Losers, Lunatics, and various other Lower Life forms.

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 08:09 PM

Reynolds really big lie of the day is how jet planes burning high hydrogen fuels and chemically converting that to lots of chemically derived water with kerosine/ etc. is not chemtrails.

You are describing contrails, Jimbo.
Ask my debunker buddies Deborah. or Chem11.
You've already seen their statements.
If you want to argue, go argue with them, they've both told you the same as I have.
THEY KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SEE ARE CONTRAILS.
END OF STORY.

Your man at Holmestead will be removing the pictures he
falsely put up as "chemtrails".
Don't blame me for discovering the hoax, I am doing both of you a favor
letting you know. Don't expect me to always give you that sort of head's up, tho.

Yaak

01-20-2005, 08:21 PM

What gives .............blather, yap, blah, blah........ and â€œdrop the big oneâ€ on them.

The Shadow has shat on Arianna's again.

Two observations:

1.) You are very defensive of foot_soldier, perhaps obsessively so.
2.) Jim Phelps admires you, a fan for sure (the kiss of death). Birds of a feather........:lol:

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 08:30 PM

The latest is crazy Jay Reynolds believes Jet Engines burn pure water. It is the only way to get pure water out of a jet engine.

The reality is real jet engines burn hydrocarbons and what comes out the other end is not just water, but CO-2, NOx compounds, SOx compounds, soot, unburned kerosine, and some chemical things not even defined. Which means Jets trials are chemical trails, aka chemtrails----not water vapor.

Jay Reynolds likes to lie, especially about the harm all these chemtrails bringing down the acids and liberating the metals that harm animals and man. Reynolds is way to treacherous to even speak about the HF poisons these chemtrails pull from the skies that set off the really dangerous health effects.

Plus, as if all that is not bad enough the huge numbers of jet flights are marking up our skies worse than some gang spray painters of sky grafity-----and this blocking our sunlight----and causing all kinds of land erosion from all the rainfall.

It is way past time to Environmental Impact Statements on these collective effects and time for limits on this run away jet proliferation.

Back into your snake hole---biter and poisoner of little children.

Nobody relieves your nutty bunk that Jets run on pure water.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-20-2005, 08:48 PM

Getting back on the religion theme a bit.

It appears the famous Knights Templer were from France originally and came to have freedom from taxes by the Pope, and they ran the first multinational corporation essentially. Their main idea was to protect people going to the Holy Lands and to control the Holy Lands. Their plan did not work very well, and they were only around for about 200 years, around 1100 to 1300. They were a combination of an Army, a religious order, a banking system, and a mutinational corperation for the Pope.

The Masons and the Knights Templer merge themes in that the Knights Templer were all about having control of Soloman's Temple Mount area down in Jerusalem. And the Masons claim they were the ones that were the masons that built the Solomans Temple. This is why there are so many Jews in the Masons and they all seem to want this NWO, New World Ownership. This is why one of the Masons orders was so excited about having a meeting in the ole Cotton Cave under Jerusalem, which is where the Temple's stones were quarried.

So, in Germany in the 1700-1800's or so the theme of the Knights Templer and the Masons came into vogue and merged. Just a little later the ideas for the Skull and Bones formed up from similar secret society issues that seemed to worship the economc control methods devised by the Rothchilds. The Jewish Rothchilds banking system sprang up around all these secret societies, and looked all the more a little like the Knights Templer system.

Then in the US, this Skull society ends up at the most prestigous of the US financial schools, Yale.

Then we have all these presidents since JFK tried to kill the Jews Federal Reseve system, being part of the Yale Bones club that worships these war for profit and control methods.

Interconnected are these secret society Masons/Knights Templar methods, as well as these Skull and Bones methods for world financial control.

Such things are banned in Communist societies, but fluorish in the freedom world where such explotation and control causes all kinds of wars.

You understand that and you have the keys to the bank vault.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-20-2005, 09:00 PM

The lasted is crazy Jay Reynolds believes Jet Engines burn pure water. is

Jimbo, I never said that.

They could burn pure hydrogen, which would exhaust water too, a hell of a lot of it.
The contrails would probably be twice as large. Bet your people would absolutely flip out.

halva

01-20-2005, 09:10 PM

Well of course I don't really mind if the chemtrails argument continues here. It takes the pressure off me and allows me to do other things.

And if Jim wants to do the arguing his way, as a package deal with the religious message he has for the world, that will be all the more amusing for the other side also, who are interested in these questions.

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 09:30 PM

Here is what I see, gaiacomm, a dummy storefront for these professional headhunters, a resume collection scheme:

Access Source Group
Executive Recruitment and Placement
812 S. Garfield Avenue Suite D
Traverse City, MI 49686
Tel: 231.947.4982
Fax: 231.947.4484

I say that Gaiacomm International is a scam. Prove me wrong. Defend yourself. I will cheerfully retract my statement and apologize if you will show me that I am in error.

I think you are part of this group: Liberals, Liars, Losers, Lunatics, and various other Lower Life forms.

Quite frankly I could care less what you think, It makes do difference to me either way. I see how you treat Chemtrails and other subjects. Don't be upset but I only post here to relax and sharpen my skills. Anymore than that in my opinion is a waste of my time.

halva

01-20-2005, 09:38 PM

Jr and Company are finished as well!

They are not finished on this thread. They are going to share it with Jim.

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 09:41 PM

They are not finished on this thread. They are going to share it with Jim.

I know Wayne, But you know we all can walk away from this. You will not lose if you do. You will win in the end! Let them say what they please they can't touch you or see you...its just the internet and that is all!

halva

01-20-2005, 09:47 PM

It seems that JimPhelps has signed up on this forum as of 1/17/05. This should be very interesting to watch....

What was all this about finally? Is there one or are there two 'Jim Phelps' here?

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 09:49 PM

What was all this about finally? Is there one or are there two 'Jim Phelps' here?

Wayne, I found his name on the new member list the other day. No need to worry if there are two. The more the merry!

halva

01-20-2005, 10:12 PM

I would like to know which Jim Phelps is more interested in arguing the toss personally with Raynolds than in developing a co-ordinated approach to dealing with debunkers, here and/or elsewhere.

Is it the same Jim Phelps who started up a closed forum, at which I registered?

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 10:25 PM

You, obviously, cared enough to respond.

Please tell me how this sharpens your skills:
"blah! blah! blah!"

Exactly,,,,,Blah....Blah....Blah......

gaiacomm

01-20-2005, 10:26 PM

Yaak

01-20-2005, 10:58 PM

Exactly,,,,,Blah....Blah....Blah......

I just got off the phone with David Horne, Co-Founder, President and CEO of Gaiacomm International Corporation in Jacksonville, FL. Obviously a very busy man to still be at work at 1:30 AM. I told him about this forum and how somebody claiming to represent his company and going by the name of gaiacomm was making racial slurs about Jews. He seemed disturbed by this news and denied being the gaiacomm on this forum. We shall see.

Prior to speaking with Mr. Horne, I telephoned Gaiacomm International's Carson, CA, office and was greeted by an answering machine, as I had expected to be.

It appears that there truly is a Gaiacomm International Corporation. It is going to be interesting to see how much longer our friend gaiacomm posts here. I have emailed the web address of this forum to Mr. Horne.

The Shadow

01-21-2005, 01:55 AM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225181

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225157

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224732

'Shadow' is finished.
You won't hear more from any 'Shadow'.What gives you that idea, Jayhole? You are correct, however, that I am very close to being finished with you. â€œShadowâ€ and not â€œDianeâ€ this time. Interesting...

Jim, pay close attention to Jayholeâ€™s manipulation and attempt at sucking up to you with â€œfriendly warningsâ€ in the remainder of this post.

But you are definitely correct that some on your side pull the others down. Wayne has always tried to do that, and has run off most of the good debaters that came here early on. You can see it in the first twenty or so pages.

Jimbo, perhaps you shouldn't blame everything on Wayne. At the time he edited your writing, he was under heavy pressure from Sore Throat, Chem11, and the rest of the 'Mech' MOB over at CTC to get rid of you there. I'm not sure if he's actually had you in a 'holding pattern' here at arianna's while he edits your stuff to suit Mech and Sore's taste, but maybe that's why he wants you to go on to another hidden forum where he can try and keep you out of sight.

A friendly warning, though, Jim. Mech, swampass and Sore throat run things over at CTC. They got rid of Gaiacomm, they got rid of me, and if you post too much over there they will start riding you too, especially swampass. Watch your back.Jim, Jayholeâ€™s concern for your welfare almost brings a tear to your eye. But wait... thereâ€™s more...

In a particularly vicious and revealing post, Jayholeâ€™s treachery, scheming, and psychopathic nature is particularly well showcased (as if you did not already know).

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221758

Well, I know when I've lit a match under your ass, you whining little bitch.

Come, now, bring it on, I've been waiting for your people to up and do something for years now.

Of course, if you decide to act out against ME, what you are doing is admitting you have no intention of acting against that which you claim to REALLY BE AGAINST!

Deborah, what's got your claws out is the fact that I showed, by your own words, that YOU KNOW the whole Tellerian "deep shield" aluminum being sprayed hoax is false.

YOU KNOW that such a scheme must be done in the stratosphere.
YOU KNOW that the planes you see are in the troposhere.
YOU KNOW that what Wayne is pushing is NOT TRUE.
YOU KNOW that what Jimbo is saying reveals him to be a nutcase.
YOU KNOW that what you see aren't "chemtrails" at all.
YOU KNOW that they are just contrails.

Now, considering all these things that YOU KNOW, what sort of fantasy land do you really live in, to stay here alongside liars like Wayne, and wacko's like Jim Phelps, and then say:

"You are leaving out a crucial component of the total picture here and that is the absolutely necessary emergence of a critical mass of public will to face and begin to deal with reality where this issue is concerned. There is a great deal of reliable information out there but it is useful only in proportion to the general publicâ€™s willingness to at least consider it."

Deborah, you simply can't have it both ways. You can't live two contradictory lives and maintain sanity. This sort of cosmic conundrum is what drives you back here for your lesson again and again. It's why, despite Wayne's orders, you keep coming back for more. And the more you deny it the more the cognitive dissonance grows. You really can't blame me for it, when it's all inside YOUR head.

Sooner or later you are going to have to deal with the reality that you can't expect a "critical mass" to believe you are telling the truth when you associate with people like Wayne Hall, who you have stated promotes the "deep shield" hoax, and you won't find people considering you sane when you ally yourself with nutcases like Jim Phelps.

Cast off these millstones around your neck, Deborah Stark. Look around you, look in the mirror and see exactly who and what is holding you down. You won't find me among them. I've always been one of your best friends, even if I have some tough things to say it's all been for your benefit.

Get reality back in your life Deborah, and maybe once you learn a little about what reality really is, just maybe, then you might have a tiny little itsy-bitsy chance to see "the general public's willingness to at least consider" that you have anything at all worthwhile to offer.

Until you do, you are spinning in an ever-smaller circle here at arianna's, and squandering both momentum and credibility with each moment you waste.One moment, Jayhole screeches at Deborah, calling her a â€œwhining little bitch.â€ Then, like the horror movie monster he personifies, he rationalizes his crazed outburst with the tender consolation, â€œI've always been one of your best friends, even if I have some tough things to say it's all been for your benefit.â€ How many times have members of a jury listened to similar reasoning and testimony from an abusive husband or boyfriend as they convict him of assault and battery or even murder?

At this point, I believe that it would be advantageous to have Jayholeâ€™s own family examined for bruises and other signs of physical violence. For obvious reasons, they should at least be interviewed to obtain evidence of psychological abuse. It is only a matter of time before message boards no longer supply him with an ample thrill. At that time, he will snap and â€œdrop the big oneâ€ on them.

The Shadow has shat on Arianna's again.

Two observations:

1.) You are very defensive of Deborah Stark, perhaps obsessively so.
2.) Jim Phelps admires you, a fan for sure (the kiss of death). Birds of a feather........:D1) Since you have previously demonstrated a serious lack of moral fiber, yourself, it is not difficult to understand your level of consternation. I am very defensive of Deborah â€“ and of all women â€“ who come under fire by potentially dangerous individuals. As I successfully outlined above, Mr. Reynolds easily fits such a profile. Moreover, you have apparently failed to observe that Deborah is the only woman who posts on this board. In any case, I am no more â€œobsessiveâ€ than is MaverickGoose. You will note the manner in which he came to the defense of a woman (http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessageRange? topicID=2884.topic&start=67&stop=67), Swedishoo, in a thread at his message board (http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessageRange? topicID=2884.topic) when it appeared that an unknown person was deliberately stalking her:

walkidiotwalk8:

Seriously, let Swedishoo in on your joke, or cut the crap. You're creeping me out, so I'm sure she's uncomfortable enough already. You either know her personally or from the boards. Either way, it's not cool to act like a stalker.

MaverickAs you are probably aware, he does not even agree with most of her philosophy. However, MaverickGoose is obviously a man of honor, a concept that is clearly foreign to both you and Jayhole.

2) I would be much more concerned should I ever gain the admiration from you or Jayhole.

The Shadow

01-21-2005, 02:17 AM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225167

Hey, Shadow. I've got one word for you...............

Rabbit.I have been called a lot worse. However, it would be a riot to hear some of the names that your family calls you behind your back.

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 04:02 AM

Shadow, I'd like to have you over for lunch.
http://www.australianoutdoors.com/BushtuckerRabbit.htm

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 05:02 AM

Halva writes:

"What was all this about finally? Is there one or are there two 'Jim Phelps' here?"

==========

What is it always about? More of the Reynolds Mob of crooks up to no good. Gaia blew the whistle on them and seems to have exposed their latest scam. The little Mason-Jew of Canada is into impersination and ID theft of Jim Phelps. Now the heat and spot-light is on them and their little surprise factor is gone.

Now that the Mason-Jew has been doing this a lot, he is apparently all paranoid that there is a Jim Phelps behind every blade of grass on some other Forums.

The Jews are prone to lie and deceive people for money and gain, and what else does one expect. It seems to have begun with the corruption of the Moses message on God, just as the Islam folks say and set up the god made for man's purposes of the Jews. It was the observations of all the dirty tricks used in WWII by the Jews that became the basis for the creation of the CIA intelligence agency, which essentially became the progenator of global dirty tricks to promote the US version of freedom, which is more about the economic system and global rule----all closely akin to the Masons and Skulls plot for NWO.

Lots of dirty little secrets the Jews don't want told----so they harass those that tell their scams and their allegances to the world. They really don't want this global warming/weather/health thing being associated with the Jesus Revelations, because it shows up the Moses version of God and shows up the perversions of the Jews on the truth. Jesus just noted it was all about science and mother nature, and it is not very hard to observe that the ultimate truth of the bible's narrative on religion is that science is all about the natural order and so were the initial preachings of Moses and later Jesus when he was attempting to reform the Jews making god for their purposes.

It has been about dirty tricks, making wars for economic control, power-greed ever since. And if one wants the causality of the Iraq war, one must consider the peak oil effects leading to global war plus these religion factors setting up the typical economic dominance--just like the Knights Templar used to do in the days of old.

Now one would think that persons like Halva, since he is down in the heartland of Europe and all those history of old wars----that he would have put the pieces together. But, the Cafe and dumb questions seem to be all he can muster. Halva has not even landed the central catharsis for communism---and likewise the central science for man-made global warming given by the pole concentration factors increased elude him. He even lives in the land of the worlds largest oil shipping magnet--Onasis---but can't put together the sciences of JP-8 used to fog the world.

History always repeats itself----one just needs to cut through the fog sometimes to see it is the same old games.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 05:14 AM

The Jews are prone to lie and deceive people for money and gain, and what else does one expect.

It was the observations of all the dirty tricks used in WWII by the Jews

Lots of dirty little secrets the Jews don't want told----so they harass those that tell their scams and their allegances to the world.

They really don't want this global warming/weather/health thing being associated with the Jesus Revelations, because it shows up the Moses version of God and shows up the perversions of the Jews on the truth.

History always repeats itself----one just needs to cut through the fog sometimes to see it is the same old games.

Jimbo, please stop these attacks on Jews.
It is wrong.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 05:26 AM

Halva writes:

"I would like to know which Jim Phelps is more interested in arguing the toss personally with Raynolds than in developing a co-ordinated approach to dealing with debunkers, here and/or elsewhere."

===========

First you are going to have to figure out what co-ordination really means.

The definition is not one where you become the self appointed leader and play dictator.

When I see some willingness toward co-ordination and less of the dictator factor, then and only then shall you appear sincere.

Debunkers are not hard to handle---just lay down the simple facts---don't let them pull discussions off the central facts. And learn to interpret the science, so you can lay down the determinate factors for the proofs that show the human factor in polar warming.

Halva is going to have to come around to a huge willingness to learn science, plus a huge willingness to learn religion factors in global dominace issues, plus how to be open minded to listen to these factors in order to learn.

At present, Halva seems to only know how to sit in a Cafe and gripe a lot. Co-ordination takes a lot more than that. Disengenous Lip service is cheep, and I am from Missouri---the "Show - Me" state------show me actions--not denials--not snipping.

IMHO,
is

The Shadow

01-21-2005, 05:46 AM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225390

Shadow, I'd like to have you over for lunch.
http://www.australianoutdoors.com/BushtuckerRabbit.htm

No thank you. From the looks of what lies at the other end of that link, I believe Mr. Reynolds to mean that literally. He has either taken up cannibalism or I have touched a raw nerve with my analysis of his mental state. I wonder if his family is haunted by images of characters portrayed by Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff whenever he is in their presence. I question what he sees when he looks in a mirror. Perhaps there is no reflection to be seen.

_________________________________________________

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 06:05 AM

The lastest lie from Reynolds begins early today, one where he portends he never said jet engines only emit water. How many times have we heard his story that it is only water and there is nothing to worry about?

Reynolds has spent 500 plus pages on the Arianna Forum attempting to sell jet trails as being just water. When the reality is they are lots of chemicals from kerosine to SOx / NOx to CO-2, carbon, soot, etc. Plus, these trails combine with other acids in the air, upset the sunlight, grafitti the skies, and upset rainfall patterns, and acidfy / toxify ground and surface waters.

Ultimately, Reynolds is an old oil industry hack and well knows the issues of refineries. He knows that refineries put hydrogen into the system to reduce / remove the sulfur in oil refining. That H2S formed has even been involved in killing people---as Aramco killed a bunch of Saudis in their Mercedes cars when they drove into a cloud of the gas that leaked. Big stink for Aramco in more ways than one over that. This hydrogen sulfur catalysist method becomes more and more important as the problems of peak oil near, and the premium oil stocks are gone leading to the high sulfur use rising.

Reynolds also knows that refineries have been under fire to cut emissions and one way they do this is by the hydrogen conservation methods using the varied catalysists like Zeolite and Aluminum and others. This means the JP-8 has more hydrogen than previous refinery methods used to make jet fuel. He also knows that more hydrogen means more dense chemtrails.

So, Reynolds is being shown to lie and deceive everyone on multiple counts this day.

Reynolds does not want all the harm caused by these effects to become so public that they will result in the citizens of countries becoming involved in the decision making processes for what is going on. The Citizens have been blinded and kept from the process of knowing about these pollution factors and their having input into the decision processes. The GOP of the US is right behind such dictatorial methods of letting industry make the rules and cutting the citizens out of the loop.

These are the things Reynolds and his Mob's harassment and lies are all about. Plus, some of those religion factors and political control tid bits too.

Reynolds methods are about poisoning little children and keeping Americans dumbed down so they cannot get involved in GOP / industry controlled /dominated public policy processes to protect themselves from real environmental and public health problems. It is indeed a heavy load he is failing to support----this dupping of all of America and the world.

Reynolds is the definition of "Bunk" in bulk quantities to support the GOP agenda of keeping the public out of the decision making processes. Reynolds premise that jet trails are just water is pure bunk, as they are chemical trails. He and his ilk are the defintion of "The Ugly American," an embarrassment to Democracy, and America.

Just water from jets is a load of Bunk. A big huge lie, which is Jay Reynolds.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 07:18 AM

The lastest lie from Reynolds begins early today, one where he portends he never said jet engines only emit water.
Jimbo, your claim this morning was:

The latest is crazy Jay Reynolds believes Jet Engines burn pure water.

I never said that.

I am in agreement with my debunker buddy Deborah, that this link describes accurately the emissions of aircraft.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/

I do disagree with Jimbo's unfounded ideas about his invention of jet fuel containing benzene, barium, titanium, and aluminum for various nefarious purposes. Jim has a problem distinguishing his personal fantasies from reality.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 08:26 AM

A good example of the lies the Jews tell to suppress their involvment in the killing of US presidents, RFK, MLK, Lincoln, etc.

http://rense.com/general62/aauc.htm

Auschwitz - The Final Count
By Michael Collins Piper

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 08:29 AM

I just got off the phone with David Horne, Co-Founder, President and CEO of Gaiacomm International Corporation in Jacksonville, FL. Obviously a very busy man to still be at work at 1:30 AM. I told him about this forum and how somebody claiming to represent his company and going by the name of gaiacomm was making racial slurs about Jews. He seemed disturbed by this news and denied being the gaiacomm on this forum. We shall see.

Prior to speaking with Mr. Horne, I telephoned Gaiacomm International's Carson, CA, office and was greeted by an answering machine, as I had expected to be.

It appears that there truly is a Gaiacomm International Corporation. It is going to be interesting to see how much longer our friend gaiacomm posts here. I have emailed the web address of this forum to Mr. Horne.

Well let us see what happens! I got Popcorn.... Why not call the founder...the DR as well?

JimPhelps

01-21-2005, 08:35 AM

Help me!

I'm going insane.

Help me, please!

HEEEEELP!!!

JimPhelps

01-21-2005, 08:42 AM

Shutup Gaiacomm and Halva. Idiots!

Your all idiots. Every last one of you!

(damn, why haven't they brought my medication?)

HEEEEEELP!

LET ME OUT!

Yaak

01-21-2005, 08:46 AM

Well let us see what happens! I got Popcorn.... Why not call the founder...the DR as well? PM me his (your?) phone number, and I will.

Yaak

01-21-2005, 08:51 AM

Shutup Gaiacomm and Halva. Idiots!

Your all idiots. Every last one of you!

(damn, why haven't they brought my medication?)

HEEEEEELP!

LET ME OUT!

Now this sounds more like the true Jimmy Phelps.
I think insurrectionchemistry is a fake.
Are you having your apocalyptic visions again, Jimmy?

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 09:20 AM

PM me his (your?) phone number, and I will.

Here it is right from the internet:

Gaiacomm: Weapon of mass destruction
author: Judah Ben-Hur e-mail: gaiacomm@att.net
A technology that can be used to alter the electromagnetic field of the earth and redirect the ionosphere in addition a relaible global wireless communications system.
Gaiacomm: WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
A method of using the earths ionosphere to incinerate selective locations on the planet, coupled by a flawless radio jamming system even blocking NORAD's communications system

GAIACOMM Weapons System REPORT
Applications
Â· An exciting and challenging aspect of Ionosphere enhancement is its potential to control Ionosphere processes in such a way as to greatly improve the performance of 4G and C 4 I Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence communication systems. A key goal of the program is the identification, investigation of those Ionosphere processes, and phenomena that can be exploited for DOD and Commercial purposes, such as those outlined below.
Â· Generation of ELF waves in the 1-29 Hz band to provide communications to deeply submerged submarines and for the commercial 4G wireless networks and commercial broadband wireless communications globally.
Â· Geophysical probing to identify and characterize natural Ionosphere processes that limit the performance of 4G global wireless systems and C 4 I (Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence), so that techniques can be developed to mitigate or control them. Generation of Ionosphere lenses to focus large amounts of HF energy at high altitudes in the ionosphere, thus providing a means for triggering Ionosphere processes that could potentially be exploited for DOD and commercial communications purposes.
Â· Electron acceleration for the generation of IR and other optical emissions, and to create additional ionization in selected regions of the ionosphere that could be used to control radio wave - propagation properties.
Â· Generation of geomagnetic-field aligned ionization to control the reflection/scattering properties of radio waves which will result in jamming of unwanted signals, stealthing of data and the focusing of RF signals to localized areas to selectively ignite the surrounding atmosphere which will create a flash burn effect which in turn will incinerate all air to ground living and non living entities. In short, a military weapon of unprecedented proportions with no nuclear radiation generated aftereffects. Using the surrounding atmospheric layers to burn off everything in its path without firing a single shot can be accomplished with this device. Localizing atmospheric area techniques to selected targeted areas can be accomplished with this heating process In short using the Compton effect to alter the air to ground electric charge which is even more effective than EMP during a nuclear blast.
Â· oblique heating to produce effects on radio wave propagation at great distances from a HF heater thus broadens the potential military applications of Ionosphere enhancement technology and commercial 4G wireless communications.
Â· Generation of ionization layers below 90 km to provide, radio wave reflectors (mirrors), which can be exploited for long range, over-the-horizon, HF/VHF/UHF surveillance purposes, including the detection of cruise missiles and other low observables in addition the allowance of global broadband access on a wireless network by worldwide consumers, i.e. voice, data, video, email, and all unmentioned forms of data exchange.

homepage: http://www.gaiacomm.org
phone: 310.213.1997

whitemajikman

01-21-2005, 09:23 AM

Now this sounds more like the true Jimmy Phelps.
I think insurrectionchemistry is a fake.
Are you having your apocalyptic visions again, Jimmy?

Yaak Your doing a superb job Of debunking Gaiacomm........

Jimmy Really needs no debunking.....He Debunks himself Repeatedly many Times a day........

Just by putting his fingers to the keyboard.......

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 09:33 AM

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 09:40 AM

Yaak Your doing a superb job Of debunking Gaiacomm........

Jimmy Really needs no debunking.....He Debunks himself Repeatedly many Times a day........

Just by putting his fingers to the keyboard.......

WMM

Really, The contact info is there and waiting for a phone call!

Now lets see who lance is!

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 09:41 AM

Here it is right from the internet:

Gaiacomm: Weapon of mass destruction
author: Judah Ben-Hur e-mail: gaiacomm@att.net
A technology that can be used to alter the electromagnetic field of the earth and redirect the ionosphere in addition a relaible global wireless communications system.
Gaiacomm: WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
A method of using the earths ionosphere to incinerate selective locations on the planet, coupled by a flawless radio jamming system even blocking NORAD's communications system

GAIACOMM Weapons System REPORT
Applications
Â· An exciting and challenging aspect of Ionosphere enhancement is its potential to control Ionosphere processes in such a way as to greatly improve the performance of 4G and C 4 I Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence communication systems. A key goal of the program is the identification, investigation of those Ionosphere processes, and phenomena that can be exploited for DOD and Commercial purposes, such as those outlined below.
Â· Generation of ELF waves in the 1-29 Hz band to provide communications to deeply submerged submarines and for the commercial 4G wireless networks and commercial broadband wireless communications globally.
Â· Geophysical probing to identify and characterize natural Ionosphere processes that limit the performance of 4G global wireless systems and C 4 I (Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence), so that techniques can be developed to mitigate or control them. Generation of Ionosphere lenses to focus large amounts of HF energy at high altitudes in the ionosphere, thus providing a means for triggering Ionosphere processes that could potentially be exploited for DOD and commercial communications purposes.
Â· Electron acceleration for the generation of IR and other optical emissions, and to create additional ionization in selected regions of the ionosphere that could be used to control radio wave - propagation properties.
Â· Generation of geomagnetic-field aligned ionization to control the reflection/scattering properties of radio waves which will result in jamming of unwanted signals, stealthing of data and the focusing of RF signals to localized areas to selectively ignite the surrounding atmosphere which will create a flash burn effect which in turn will incinerate all air to ground living and non living entities. In short, a military weapon of unprecedented proportions with no nuclear radiation generated aftereffects. Using the surrounding atmospheric layers to burn off everything in its path without firing a single shot can be accomplished with this device. Localizing atmospheric area techniques to selected targeted areas can be accomplished with this heating process In short using the Compton effect to alter the air to ground electric charge which is even more effective than EMP during a nuclear blast.
Â· oblique heating to produce effects on radio wave propagation at great distances from a HF heater thus broadens the potential military applications of Ionosphere enhancement technology and commercial 4G wireless communications.
Â· Generation of ionization layers below 90 km to provide, radio wave reflectors (mirrors), which can be exploited for long range, over-the-horizon, HF/VHF/UHF surveillance purposes, including the detection of cruise missiles and other low observables in addition the allowance of global broadband access on a wireless network by worldwide consumers, i.e. voice, data, video, email, and all unmentioned forms of data exchange.

homepage: http://www.gaiacomm.org
phone: 310.213.1997

Yaak:

The phone is not ringing......

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 11:45 AM

http://dfa.bmgbiz.net/evangelical.html

Why Evangelical Christians Must Vote Against George W. Bush

Yaak

01-21-2005, 12:27 PM

Yaak:

The phone is not ringing......

I just finished a long and immensely enjoyable telephone conversation with Dr. Judah Ben-Hur. I have been given permission to share what I was told. Our fellow poster, gaiacomm, and Dr. Judah Ben-Hur are the same person. GAIACOMM INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION is a real and legitimate company. The technology is real. You are encouraged to call or email him.

halva

01-21-2005, 01:10 PM

First you are going to have to figure out what co-ordination really means.

Foot Soldier's starting a new thread was an example of good co-ordination, showing understanding of the needs of all players on our side.

Yaak

01-21-2005, 01:25 PM

I just finished a long and immensely enjoyable telephone conversation with Dr. Judah Ben-Hur. I have been given permission to share what I was told. Our fellow poster, gaiacomm, and Dr. Judah Ben-Hur are the same person. GAIACOMM INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION is a real and legitimate company. The technology is real. You are encouraged to call or email him.
I have been reminded by a forum moderator not to post any personal information even though I was given permission to share what I was told. If you want to know more, you will need to contact Dr. Judah Ben-Hur. My investigation of gaiacomm is finished.

I wish GAIACOMM INTERNATIONAL success in their future endeavors.

whitemajikman

01-21-2005, 02:24 PM

In View of my recent Communication with Dr.Judah Ben-Hur,It has come to my attention that he is indeed what he Claims to be.......

Gaiacomm International does indeed Exist ......

And Judah is quite a nice fellow with a very good sense of humour,and more Importantly he strives to bring people together in the Spirit of Understanding,Brotherhood and the Pursuit of TRUTH........

My apologies to You Judah........for my Past Condemnation of You........

For you are only interested and Seek the Same Things I do.......and what most people here do if they could only see past their politics and pre-conceived notions......without letting their Pride get in the way of their better Judgement......

Again My sincere Apologies......

SHAWN

whitemajikman

01-21-2005, 02:45 PM

Ah Yes, the FBI really likes such clear causality trails.

When IS listed that Jews were involved in the cover up of the murder of JFK, then a Jewish-Mason begins his attack on the fella that listed the truth of the matter.

Which means he is now complicit in the cover up of the JFK and other murders by the Jews.

Plus, he is engaged in identity theft and impresination for the express purpose of malicious defamation. Hate Crime criminals is what they are.

This goes hand and hand with his partner in crime Reynolds (quoted below) attempting the same with their latest insane bunk crusade:

"Jim Phelps is a racist nutter who's been hoaxing you too. He is known
around his town as a lunatic, and has been feeding you misinformation.
better get over it all and come to realize, there are no chemtrails,
they were always just contrials."

IMHO,
is

Jimmy Boy........

One only has to read your website.......to determine how you have let your HATRED for all JEWRY sabotage your own Activism..........

You are so wrapped up in this ongoing self-made Conspiracy..........that you will not even consider at looking at yourself in the Mirror.......and Admit that what is Staring back at you .......Is nothing but HATRED........

Hatred that wasn't there until you started Delving into the Realms of Conspiracy.........and in some cases Fabricating your own(your entire Website)........

So let the Truth Be Known..........

Jim Phelps is a Racist .........Trying desperately to hide this fact under the Guise of his own Fabricated Electronic Existence........

I'm a Jew Jimmy ......

How does it make you feel that a Diaspora Jew.........has called you on your insanity...........?

WMM

Yaak

01-21-2005, 03:15 PM

whitemajikman

01-21-2005, 04:00 PM

Thank you, Shawn, for confirming my impressions. This thread has lost a major source of intrigue and mystery but we have all gained a friend in exchange; a far more than equitable trade.

I agree Ed......Wholeheartedly......

For Intrigue and Mystery........not to mention a few Laughs.....

We Still Have ........

Jimmy Phelps.......and his delusions .......

SHAWN

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 07:44 PM

This goes hand and hand with his partner in crime Reynolds (quoted below) attempting the same with their latest insane bunk crusade:

"Jim Phelps is a racist nutter who's been hoaxing you too. He is known
around his town as a lunatic, and has been feeding you misinformation.
better get over it all and come to realize, there are no chemtrails,
they were always just contrials."

Hey, Jimbo. That quote is from an email I sent Brian Holmes yesterady telling him about the hoax pictures he had posted on his website. Tonight he has blocked my access to his website altogether. So tell me, Yaak, does he still have those pictures on that he was touting as being "chemtrails" taken by a pilot named HAIK?

Jimbo, he got caught up in the hoax, the pictures are ordinary contrail pictures someobody ripped off of airliners.net. Anybody that wants can go see the proof, and exactly how he got debunked:
http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessageRange? topicID=2925.topic&start=1&stop=20

BTW, if I really wanted to see the site, I'd just walk over to my neighbors house and see it.

Tell Brian nice try, but he really should check out the info he receives from "greeks bearing gifts".

halva

01-21-2005, 08:48 PM

[b]
Hey, Jimbo.
Don't look now, but all those photos were taken by various pilots on various planes, in various locations around the world.

Haik referred Brian Holmes to

http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/EmailLanding.ygp?event=DirectView&shareInfo=KnVVBplenSODSt%2bbCYpFnZvVoJMicaJNwZQoIQ 5Ak0lWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d&pageName=AlbumViewFromEmails&locale=en_US

where there are 86 photos online. On the page it says "haikfz sent this album" and if you want to see the photos you "View Album as a Guest".

Four of the photos were posted on 14th January at Coast to Coast:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page782.html

Haik's e-mail address is on the page there. Did he provide the photos for Airliners.net in the first place?

In the meantime those photos are pretty good at showing the world what "normal contrails" look like.

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 09:02 PM

Haik referred Brian Holmes to
http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/EmailLanding.ygp?event=DirectView&s
hareInfo=KnVVBplenSODSt%2bbCYpFnZvVoJMicaJNwZQoIQ5 Ak0lWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d&pageName=AlbumViewFromEmails&locale=en_US

where there are 86 photos online. On the page it says "haikfz sent this album" and if you want to see the photos you "View Album as a Guest".

Four of the photos were posted on 14th January at Coast to Coast:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page782.html

Haik's e-mail address is on the page there for those who want to inform him that he is a hoaxer.

In the meantime those photos are pretty good at showing the world what "normal contrails" look like.

Wayne, the photos came from airliners.net.
here are the links they came from. This haik person ripped off the photos which are copyrighted, and now Brian Holmes is in violation of the copyright as well.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/M/
second hit:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/556245/M/
=======================
third hit:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/425455/M/
========================
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/680392/M/
=======================
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/680392/M/
=======================
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/684854/M/
===========================
Folks look at the images, who took them, when and where.
Yes, they are all ordinary contrails, taken by many different people.
'Haik" said he took them using a specific camera.
He didn't take them.
He lied.
You dumbass Wayne Hall fell for yet another hoax, when will you ever learn
to stop being a sheep and check things out before you run after yet another will-o-the-wisp?
BTW, Wayne, you can't even get a link to work, dumbass, how could you ever expect to bust open a worldwide conspiracy?
End of story.

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 09:09 PM

Results in this:

Actually, I get forbidden for his entire site.
Perhaps it was all too much?

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 09:30 PM

Fifteen does, two bucks, and their litters will produce approximately one ton of manure per year..

Oh, My, yaak. That many does will produce a new batch every 1-1/2 months. That's 6-8 bunnies each, or at least 60 rabbits/month!

Just butchering that amount of rabbits keeps me busy all day. First I put them in a burlap bag, I can carry about ten at one time up to my 'tree of death'. At the tree I have a board mounted horizontally with bent nails sticking out every 8 inches. I hold the rabbits upside down by the hind feet and give him a good solid whack on the top of his head with an old hammer handle.

They squeal and gurgle a little, then the blood floods out of mouth and nostrils, you must hold them away lest they spray blood on you. I then impale their feet on the nails and prepare for skinning as they bleed out hanging upside down.

The first one doesn't really know what's coming, but after a while they will figure it all out. The secret is to not ever give them names or treat them as pets. After all, they are just meat.............

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 09:33 PM

I tried 2 different IP spoofers and get that same message for his entire site. My guess is his sight is down. I don't think he knows who I am, so I doubt that I have been banned (yet).

Well, he really should be discouraged, after all, he's been hoaxed by William Thomas, who has him saying contrails can't form under -76 degrees F, he got hoaxed by David G. Stewart with the "deep shield" hoax, he got hoaxed by Jim Phelps, and now this Haik hoax.

It's enough to send a message to anyone they better wise up and smell the coffee..

halva

01-21-2005, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Yaak
I tried 2 different IP spoofers and get that same message for his entire site. My guess is his sight is down. I don't think he knows who I am, so I doubt that I have been banned (yet).

Holmestead is on-line.

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 09:53 PM

Holmestead is on-line.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/haik.html

"File Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server."

jayreynolds

01-21-2005, 10:04 PM

Wayne, looks like he's cut you, Haik and Jimbo loose too:

http/www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/jekyll-hyde.pdf
File Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server

http/www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/jimphelps.html
File Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server

Don't you understand people get tired of being taken advantage of, Wayne?
Jimbo is going to be plenty mad when he sees how you screweed up this time, Wayne.
WHAT A DUMBASS!

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 10:36 PM

I just finished a long and immensely enjoyable telephone conversation with Dr. Judah Ben-Hur. I have been given permission to share what I was told. Our fellow poster, gaiacomm, and Dr. Judah Ben-Hur are the same person. GAIACOMM INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION is a real and legitimate company. The technology is real. You are encouraged to call or email him.g

That is correct. Yaak is a very Intelligent person and I enjoyed speaking with him as I will with anyone if you can cross over from OZ>

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 10:37 PM

Well JR...seems that maybe we should talk oneday soon!

Its ok, I am just a Human being as you are!

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 10:40 PM

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 10:41 PM

I have been reminded by a forum moderator not to post any personal information even though I was given permission to share what I was told. If you want to know more, you will need to contact Dr. Judah Ben-Hur. My investigation of gaiacomm is finished.

I wish GAIACOMM INTERNATIONAL success in their future endeavors.

Thank you Yaak, You are a gentlemen!

The Shadow

01-21-2005, 10:49 PM

g

That is correct. Yaak is a very Intelligent person and I enjoyed speaking with him as I will with anyone if you can cross over from OZ>

It is amazing how loudly a rabbit will scream as the Shadow of death approaches it. Even running from a dog, when the rabbit realizes it has lost the race, and before it submits to shock, it will scream. This sure does sound like the words of an intelligent person, Gaiacomm. This bizarre "rabbit" theme between Jayhole and Yaakass is beginning to get a little creepy. It should serve as evidence that psychopaths are quite adept at feigning intelligence and honesty.

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 10:51 PM

This sure does sound like the words of an intelligent person, Gaiacomm. This bizarre "rabbit" theme between Jayhole and Yaakass is beginning to get a little creepy. It should serve as evidence that psychopaths are quite adept at feigning intelligence.

I understand... you do have the power to change direction if you like...we will come!

gaiacomm

01-21-2005, 11:15 PM

In closing:

I am a physicist and a patriot who, through years of being silent, had
almost forgotten my obligations. It is high time I and others like me use
our intellect and technology to stand up against an oppressor and rid
ourselves of this infection. We are a legion that wants to live a life of
peace and respect for all living things and have considerations for those
who are different and look for ways to truly accommodate those who are slow
in understanding.

We do not need your help just your patience and understanding of what we are
about.

We are America's best-kept secret that just got out of the "keep".

Insurrectionchemistry

01-21-2005, 11:58 PM

Humm-----looks to me like two of the debunkers just made utter fools out of themselves and showed just how poorly they can comprehind science like that of Giacomm.

They viciously attacked and accused Gaia of being fake and the only thing that turned out to be fake was their claim of intelligence.

Which then brings the question------just what else have these morons screwed over for no good reason. What other items do their feeble minds fail to assimilate.

Zero higher education = arrogant stupidity

IMHO,
is

halva

01-22-2005, 12:53 AM

It is just as well that I did drop in at the internet cafe on my way back from work, because if I hadn't I would have picked up what happened with Holmestead, but not with Gaiacomm.

Rather than paying money here I will return home and de-ignore-list the other debunkers apart from Raynolds, whom I had already de-ignore-listed, so as to examine the implications of this new development.

Raynolds, how are you going to avoid self-criticism for your months of aggressive assertion that Gaiacomm is Lance Haubrick. Your underlings have apologized to Gaiacomm. What are you proposing to do?

halva

01-22-2005, 01:09 AM

Ok, since 'footsoldier has addressed me, I will respond. Yes, they are normal contrails. No, I never said don't pay attention.

Raynolds prefaces with the above assertion his incursion into Footsoldier's new "Normal Contrails: Some Sanity" thread.

Footsoldier was not talking to Raynolds when she said she was not going to be silent. She was talking to me.

I had told her that any posting by her at this thread would enable Raynolds by attacking her to get out of the reactive mode he was in.

Posting 5324:

Deborah any posting at all by you at this point would give Raynolds something to attack and so solve his problem.

And Jim, you could play your leadership role most effectively at the new forum you started a couple of months ago and where I joined you.

She responded to my comment by starting a new thread. Exactly the right thing to do.

This was the best co-ordination we have so far managed here, fortunately coinciding with a breakthrough on the longstanding Gaiacomm/Lance Haubrick farce, thanks to Yaak's unbelievable insolence and innocence of the reality principle: both products of his schooling by Raynolds.

Yaak has had a head-on collision with reality just as Whitemajikman had with Greenpeace Greece.

Raynolds you are in deep shit. Are you going to apologize to Gaiacomm also?/

halva

01-22-2005, 02:08 AM

Gaiacomm I hope you play your cards right from this point on.

It's up to you to get those boys out of Raynolds' clutches and keep them out.

Even from a power-politics viewpoint (of the Patrick Minnis variety), the role that Raynolds has been playing has reached its sell-by date.

Isolate him totally.

jayreynolds

01-22-2005, 06:14 AM

Holmestead is on-line.
Wayne, it appears the homepage is up.
http://www.holmestead.ca/

All the non-"chemtrails" related pages are up.

All the "chemtrails" related pages have been taken off line.

Looks like you guys are in trouble.

halva

01-22-2005, 06:32 AM

In View of my recent Communication with Dr.Judah Ben-Hur,It has come to my attention that he is indeed what he Claims to be.......

My sincere Apologies......

SHAWN

Whitmajikman alias Shawn demand to Reynolds that he also apologize to Gaiacomm for slanderous and conscious misrepresentation.

Or explain why you decline to do so, having yourself apologized for the same actions.

halva

01-22-2005, 06:38 AM

Thank you, Shawn, for confirming my impressions. This thread has lost a major source of intrigue and mystery but we have all gained a friend in exchange; a far more than equitable trade.

Ed

Yaak alias Ed, since you have de facto apologized to your friend, demand that Reynolds, whose offence against your friend is worse and more persistent than your own, to do the same.

Or explain why you declne to do so.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-22-2005, 08:14 AM

Somebody needs to keep in mind that Gaia is a Bush worshiping Mason and all his nice little science marvels are right out of ORNL in the mid-80s.

Gaia rides a dark horse.

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:17 AM

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:19 AM

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:21 AM

Raynolds prefaces with the above assertion his incursion into Footsoldier's new "Normal Contrails: Some Sanity" thread.

Footsoldier was not talking to Raynolds when she said she was not going to be silent. She was talking to me.

I had told her that any posting by her at this thread would enable Raynolds by attacking her to get out of the reactive mode he was in.

Posting 5324:

She responded to my comment by starting a new thread. Exactly the right thing to do.

This was the best co-ordination we have so far managed here, fortunately coinciding with a breakthrough on the longstanding Gaiacomm/Lance Haubrick farce, thanks to Yaak's unbelievable insolence and innocence of the reality principle: both products of his schooling by Raynolds.

Yaak has had a head-on collision with reality just as Whitemajikman had with Greenpeace Greece.

Raynolds you are in deep shit. Are you going to apologize to Gaiacomm also?/

Wayne:

Its not required for JR to do that. We all now can realize that we can work together and solve together in peace....Finding out the truth always feels good!

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:22 AM

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:25 AM

Somebody needs to keep in mind that Gaia is a Bush worshiping Mason and all his nice little science marvels are right out of ORNL in the mid-80s.

Gaia rides a dark horse.

IMHO,
is

Yes he rides a horse....Sometimes even Masons can learn.....Once you lift the veil of lies the "keeper of the Royal Secret" will come forward and present you Truth!

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:27 AM

I wish to thank all of you that took that difficult step to come behind the face and meet the wizard of OZ!

I respect you all!

jayreynolds

01-22-2005, 08:50 AM

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 08:54 AM

It wasn't really difficult, Judah. What was difficult was trying to smoke you out. When that failed, we were forced to go in after you.:D

I am here for two reasons:

1.) The truth
2.) To enjoy myself

(I am forced to mention #2 or #1 would not be valid.)

Those are the reasons why you were exposed to be exactly who you said you were. #2 includes playing games, and anybody here that denies they are playing psychological games for their own personal amusement is not being entirely honest.

Yaak,

You did a fine job. Now Lance can go on with his life and be left alone on this forum.

Sometimes you have to go into a rabbit hole to get the rabbit.....

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 09:15 AM

The latest is crazy Jay Reynolds believes Jet Engines burn pure water. It is the only way to get pure water out of a jet engine.

The reality is real jet engines burn hydrocarbons and what comes out the other end is not just water, but CO-2, NOx compounds, SOx compounds, soot, unburned kerosine, and some chemical things not even defined. Which means Jets trials are chemical trails, aka chemtrails----not water vapor.

Jay, can I have the pleasure on this one? Please? IT just seems to me that someone who claims to be a chemist yet does not comprehend the simple chemical conversio that takes place when one burns hydrogencarbons in an oxgen atmosphere, has just GOT to be a fraud.

I mean, any high school science student can tell you that when you burn something containing hydrogen in an oxygen-rich atmosphere, you get water.

In fact, any qualified jet airplane mechanic will tell you that for every pound of fuel that you burn in a jet engine, you get about one and a half pound of water vapor.

How could a chemist not know this?

Nobody relieves your nutty bunk that Jets run on pure water.He didn't say they RUN on water. Just that they PRODUCE water. About a pound and a half for every pound of fuel burned.

he he he.

Even Gaiacomm can tell you this much is right.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-22-2005, 09:18 AM

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 09:22 AM

Getting back on the religion theme a bit.

The Masons and the Knights Templer merge themes in that the Knights Templer were all about having control of Soloman's Temple down in Jerusalem.

History disagrees with you. Solomon's templhad been destryoed about two thousand years before the Knight came onthe scene. Herod's temple had been rebuilt on the same site, and also destroyed more than a thousand years prior.

So tell us again how these guys were controlling a non existant temple?

Smack! Ouch! Don't you just HATE it when history reaches out and bitch-slaps ya?

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 09:38 AM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-22-2005, 09:53 AM

Gaia,

I know the Bush goals in the long term and short. I also knows who pays you the most.

You need to decide which face of the Eagle you want to wear and recall a man will be known by his fruits.

IMHO,
is

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 09:54 AM

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 10:14 AM

Gaiacomm: Open letter to the People of United States of America

It is quite apparent by the events that are unfolding worldwide that a more creative approach is required to ?shockÂ¦ the world into a state of awareness.
We can write essays, try to contact our senators, business leaders, all forms of public and private media to inform, shout on the streets, strap bombs to us and blow up people, fly planes into buildings, play cat and mouse with Terrorist leaders, murder innocent bystanders, lie to the public, hide secrets, and many other atrocities.

Fact: the Jews, (Hebrews) are not the chosen ones and neither is any other race of humans. Jews, (Hebrews) are recognized because they scream and bitch the loudest. What about the American Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Armenians, Gypsies, Russians, Polish, Germans, French, Irish, Africans and its tribes, Dutch, Swedish, Canadians, Pigmies, Mexicans, Spanish, Portuguese, in short all human nationalities of races and religions that inhabit this tiny planet. They all have equal rights as well, which includes male and female of all sexual genders and kinds on this planet.

Freedom is a gift from GOD to all creatures that inhabit this planet. It is the right of anyone who can recognize the facts that our collective freedoms have been systematically eliminated by groups of peoples that have only their self-serving interests at heart and it is our right to rid this planet completely of the atrocities that are being levied on all of us each day.

Fact: A movie star is only a star as long as you buy tickets to see that person. A music star and TV star is in the same category. They are nothing if we do not recognize them as such.

The power is with us not them, they do not care about you only the money you spend on them. Can you actually contact and tell your star how you feel, or are they untouchable?
Products in stores, cars on streets, all of the marketing hype that we see each day, even the so-called President of the United States is only as powerful and controlling as WE the People allow. We can only blame ourselves for our woes, because we allow these people to control us by our own selfish pleasures and desires that so many people take advantage.
If we collectively stopped, buying tickets to movies, CD-s, and all forms of media then these stars would fall from the skies and lay in the dirt with us all.

Oprah Winfrey is an idol created by us, not her; she is a simple overweight black woman who gains her freedom thru hard work and creative manipulative media control.

We purchase CD-s from 50 Cents, (crack dealer), and Marshall, (M&M) who hates his mother because we like the message and its ok to be BAD, or be fond of children like Michael Jackson, or even bake cookies with insider trader Martha Stewart.

We take these normal people and make them super gods and we wonder why we cannot have the same fortunes. Millions of dollars are being spent on these people each day while we lie in bed in our one bedroom rented apartment and dream.

Wake up America and the World, the true power of change is in each of us. True freedom is colorblind and accepts all who truly desire its warmth. It is not right for anyone on this planet to be hungry, to be without a place to stay, to have free education, to have a place in society to contribute thru work of some kind, to care for the sick and old without any regard to cost, to eliminate all counterproductive causes that inflict hardships on any human, and to support and carry out a Regime Change to any country that obstructs the freedoms of others to be an individual.

Rise up and be counted not by your leaders but by your peers within your group. Form a coalition of peoples that will standup to the Regimes that control us and replace them completely with one that is truly governed and managed by the people and for the people.

When we all stand up against the regime it will shout loud, but will soon get tired of its voice, then we take our trumpets and march in the streets and blow them until the walls of despair and control come crumbling down around us.

Fact: are Black people in America free? It took a black woman named Isabella to insight the Civil War in America, and by the way, it was a Dutch family that helped help her to freedom.

Fact: It was a half black man who looked white named Farad who instigated and formed the Black Muslims of America, which eventually caused the death of Malcolm X, even some of the first black slave instigators for freedom lost their lives thru hanging snitched by their own to the white masters of their plot, the pitiful treatment of women of all kinds by men who are ignorant of their ignorance thru all time, when in fact women are responsible to keep the balance on this planet and need to be recognized that they are equally human too!

America, wake up and smell the coffee, you have lost your freedoms thru manipulative media control and thru impassive reasoning. Your rights have been shifted to the wealthy by signing over your paycheck thru illegal taxation. Your very existence in America is based on collective reasoning and collective representation.

America-s stars are each of us that support this empire thru our hard work. The empire that surrounds us like a succubus slowly sucks away our life force thru persuasive slave master relationships.

America stand up, be counted, and do not allow your fear to win. The controllers control thru our ignorance and fear.

Replace the US government with one that is for the people, all people of any race or creed. Control business thru the withholding of revenue by selective spending.

Do you realize that we outnumber the wolves and can corner the wolves and either banish them or reprogram them for our desire?

Now ask yourself this, are you truly free?

America is the wealthiest nation on earth and cannot even feed, house, educate, employ or reform its people. Look around the streets and see the faces of the homeless. How can America go into other countries and demand submission when we are not in control!

We all sit back and let the ?otherÂ¦ handle it, we are afraid of not being able to watch TV or get gas for our SUV, or buy the new dress or something we desire to have to ad to our overwhelming collection of ?thingsÂ¦, or we are just trying to find a job, or a place to live for the night, or try to eat for the day. But we say, ?oh this can not happen to meÂ¦, well I am sure that same thought was in the minds of the people when they were burning alive in the world trade center in New York, or the soldiers in Iraq when they were shot to death, or the homeless person who died alone on the streets, or the people on the bus in Israel when they were blown apart by a suicide bomber, or a lonely old person who died alone in a care center somewhere in America, or someone somewhere on this planet that was murdered, raped, eaten alive by a wild animal, chopped in pieces by a machete by some rival tribe, or some unexpected death or demise.

In America we think that excess is normal! Well let-s see, American soldiers are still being murdered in Iraq and other countries everyday, and we accept that. Israel can get away with murder and bitch to the USA for help. What about that poor American female that was ran over by a tank twice? Did we invade Israel and change its regime?

America, are you that passive that I can come into your house and steal anything I want, oh that is not fair, oh you will call the police because I interrupted your favorite TV show!

A civil war in America is brewing once again except this time you will be involved and not sit on the sidelines and eat hotdogs and be entertained.
Civil unrest and ignorance has caused this new civil war to take form.

Ask yourself, are you willing to die for freedom or would you prefer your neighbor so you can enjoy the comforts of freedom from your neighbors life? Let the other person take the risk as long as my ?Americas IdolÂ¦ program is not interrupted and I can go to work safely each day in my new SUV and not be distracted.

America you have been put on notice!

Dr. Judah Ben-Hur

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 10:17 AM

The case for regime change in the USA

By Judah Ben-Hur

Al-Jazeerah, April 22, 2004

"Strange times are those in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool" - Plato

"And those who perform jihad for us, we shall certainly guide them in our ways, and God is surely with the doers of good." (Quran XXXIX; 69)

"You have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad." (Hadith)

To all who read and understand: it is time to take the next step in understanding. After careful and meticulous research, including access to files and data guarded by the United States Government, I have uncovered information that has been written about, talked about, read about, and in many cases silenced to protect and to confuse those who wish to uncover its not so guarded secrets.

Careful and planned exposure of this information seems to be the only way to begin the process of enlightenment of not just the American people but all peoples of this planet who are considered common men and women.

We cannot blame the "United States Government" for our woes, but ourselves for allowing our own Constitution to manipulate and control not just us but others in its path towards imperial rule, which by the way was why some people left England to come to the Americas to rid themselves of that tyranny. True democracy does not impede growth or dominate others. It was established to be a beacon for those who wish to call on its existence and only that. We do not have the right to impose democracy on nations or peoples who do not truly ask for it.

The United States in its own right is imposing pseudo-democratic policies through crafty methods - controlling without regard to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Regime change within the United States should be seriously considered.

Fact: the United States has in its possession weapons of mass destruction, so why does not the United Nations impose restrictions against the United States?

Fear is the reason why no nation or individual will want to go up against this Goliath! Well I have a small stone, I know where to throw it, and if I have to by myself so be it.

The fact that Thomas Jefferson who co-authored the now infamous doctrine of democracy himself was an advocate of slaves.

Hypocrisy runs through the veins of the elite American people who control the destinies and lives of so many people.

What we all must learn is that the power in change is in the people that make up the majority of the civilized and so-called uncivilized world.

What gives this small group of people their control over us is the fact that they know we all will not collectively give up our lives to get back control of the government and rid ourselves of the self-serving politicians and business executives that control what we eat, where we sleep, who to like and not like, what to read, what to write, how to dress, how and who to love, who to hate, what race is superior, who gets education, who not, where to travel, who lives, who dies, who eats, who does not eat, who gets elected in office, who does not get elected, who is popular and who is not, who is "in" who is not, what clothes to wear, what not, what movie or music star is in, which one is not, who to disrespect who to not, who to be prejudice to and who to not, what freedoms we have and have not, who gets destroyed, who not, who must accept the "way" and who not, who goes to prison, and who not, and the list goes on into infinity.

Remember that in the Constitution it does allow for bloodless regime change within the government as long as we stand together and collectively vote for our freedoms back. Rid ourselves of the electoral college and other manipulative organizations that are self-serving their own agendas at the expense, hard work and lives of so many innocent and misguided people that are here within the borders of despair.

The French Government should formally request that the Statue of Liberty be returned to France. We all know what it was for.

The United States has over many years systematically infiltrated other nations to "weed" out the non-conformers to the so-called Democratic process and replace those with the showroom dummies of democracy. Granted, the United States has some freedom of movement for its people but not the way it was originally intended. Look at Africa, South America, and parts of Europe, Asia and other nations that are sucking the teat of the cow and its sour milk.

Collectively, we the people of the world should stand up and be counted on to rid ourselves of individuals who are ignorant of their own ignorance and replace this Constitution with one that includes all religions, all peoples, all races, all nations and all who feel left out and want to be what they want to be without the constraints of prejudice and restrictive law. Not to run lawless but have the right to be an individual and collectively correct this turmoil we are in.

The Earth is trying to warn us that we are spinning out of control and that we need to correct ourselves soon or the earth will rid itself of this infection and parasite called mankind that is slowly destroying its primary intent to allow its inhabitants the freedom to live be fruitful and multiply to the extent of finding a way to leave this planet and journey to others and spread some sort of reason rather than an infectious spore.

I am a physicist and a patriot who, through years of being silent, had almost forgotten my obligations. It is high time I and others like me use our intellect and technology to stand up against an oppressor and rid ourselves of this infection. We are a legion that wants to live a life of peace and respect for all living things and have considerations for those who are different and look for ways to truly accommodate those who are slow in understanding.

We do not need your help just your patience and understanding of what we are about.

We are America's best-kept secret that just got out of the "keep".

Judah Ben-Hur

gaiacomm

01-22-2005, 10:34 AM

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stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 10:36 AM

Actually, I get forbidden for his entire site.
Perhaps it was all too much?
The entire site is now gone!

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 10:45 AM

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 10:54 AM

and recall a man will be known by his fruits.And you are about as fruit as they come!

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 10:59 AM

Fact: the Jews, (Hebrews) are not the chosen ones and neither is any other race of humans.
Dr. Judah Ben-Hur

Sorry, do not agree. God himself says they are. That's good enough for me.

whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:01 AM

Gaia writes:

Yes he rides a horse....Sometimes even Masons can learn.....Once you lift the veil of lies the "keeper of the Royal Secret" will come forward and present you Truth!

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The Masons have only one directive----they are the Masons craft of Solomon's Temple--those that appreciate the Knights Templar to concerve the Temple Mount area. They are the core drive for the NWO. They are the model factors for the Skull and Bones club and the inner core of the financial empires.

Plus, Gaia "the wizzard" can stand to profit highly should he be able to pull off a huge deception and coup for the GOP and Bush.

The veils are being lifted and your wizzard of Oz imagery is about being the trickster---not the honest and open dealer. It is about following the yellow brick road of the Mason's Master Crafts.

And you seem to have ended up with all these nice ORNL ideas of the mid-80's. Just how did this come into being? I do sense you know all the wrong people---plus your a businessman and you do like money. Tell us about your market shares to the Pentagon black projects officers----the spooks.

Sounds like you got a deal cooking with ole Jeb on some nice Palm Beach membership, or perhaps one of those little Bush islands down in Fla.

Masons fly a double-headed eagle---and so do you. Masons are skilled in the arts of deception.

My truth indicator seems to be pointing toward the negative when you speak.

Which of the two faces you wear is judged by you actions----and your actions tell you wear which ever one fits your profit center at the time.

IMHO,
is

Jimmy your speaking about things you really know nothing about........

May I suggest .......you get a clue.....

The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed at the end of the First Crusade with the mandate of protecting Christian pilgrims on route to the Holy Land. Never before had a group of secular knights banded together and taken the monastic vows. In this sense they were the first of the Warrior Monks. The Templars fought along side King Richard I (Richard The Lion Hearted) and other Crusaders in the battles for the Holy Lands.

From humble beginnings of poverty when the order relied on alms from the traveling pilgrims, the Order would go on to have the backing of the Holy See and the collective European monarchies.

Within two centuries they had become powerful enough to defy all but the Papal throne. Feared as warriors, respected for their charity and sought out for their wealth, there is no doubt that the Templar knights were the key players of the monastic fighting Orders. Due to their vast wealth and surplus of materials the Templars essentially invented banking, as we know it. The church forbade the lending of money for interest, which they called usury. The Templars, being the clever sort they were, changed the manner in which loans were paid and were able to skirt the issue and finance even kings.

They were destroyed, perhaps because of this wealth or fear of their seemingly limitless powers. In either case, the Order met with a rather untimely demise at the hands of the Pope and the King of France in 1307 and by 1314, "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon" ceased to exist, at least officially.

Although originally a small group of nine knights, they quickly gained fame largely due to the backing of Bernard of Clairvaux and his "In Praise of the New Knighthood". Bernard at that time was often called the Second Pope and was the chief spokesman of Christendom. He is also the one responsible for helping to draw up the Order's rules of conduct.

In European political circles, they became very powerful and influential. This was because they were immune from any authority save that of the Papal Throne. (Pope Innocent II exempted the Templars from all authority except the Pope.) After the crusades were over, the knights returned to their Chapters throughout Europe and became known as moneylenders to the monarchs. In the process many historians believe they invented the Banking System.

The secret meetings and rituals of the knights would eventually cause their downfall. The King of France, Philip the Fair used these rituals and meetings to his advantage to destroy the knights. The real reason for his crushing the Templars was that he felt threatened by their power and immunity. In 1307, Philip, who desperately needed funds, to support his war against England's Edward I made his move against the Knights Templar.

On October 13th, 1307, King Philip had all the Templars arrested on the grounds of heresy, since this was the only charge that would allow the seizing of their money and assets. The Templars were tortured and as a result, ridiculous confessions were given. These confessions included:

Trampling and spitting on the cross
Homosexuality and Sodomy
Worshipping of the Baphomet

Philip was successful in ridding the Templars of their power and wealth and urged all fellow Christian leaders to do the same thing. On March 19th, 1314 the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake. De Molay is said to have cursed King Philip and Pope Clement, as he burned, asking both men to join him within a year. Whether he actually uttered the curse or if it is simply an apocryphal tale; what remains as fact is that Clement died only one month later and Philip IV seven months after that.

WMM

whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:03 AM

The Templar Hierarchy

The original Latin Rule of 1128 CE consisted of only four ranks. This stands to reason, as at this early stage (eleven years after the founding of the order), there were still very few members. Some Historians claim that the order did not accept any new recruits for the first nine years. Desmond Seward, in his book, "The Monks of War" claims that they may have difficulties in finding members.

"A document of 1123 refers to Hugues as Master of the Knights of The Temple but his little band was merely a voluntary Brotherhood; recent research seems to indicate that they [the Templars] were having difficulty in finding recruits and were on the verge of dissolution. Hugues had come [to Bernard of Clairvaux] about another crusade, not to ask for a rule."

The Monks Of War - Desmond Seward - Penguin Books

If this is true then Bernard's support of the order brought to light in his "In Praise of The New Knighthood" may very well have not only increased it's membership, but saved it from an early end. Regardless, the Templar knights did survive to grow to huge numbers, which required a larger Hierarchy than the original four divisions. What follows are the ranks of the Templar ladder:

The Templar Hierarchy

The Grand Master

Absolute ruler over the order answered only to the Papacy

Seneschal

Acted as both deputy and advisor to the Grand Master

Commander of the Kingdom of Jerusalem

Was in charge of The area and had same powers as Grand Master within his own jurisdiction

Commander of the City of Jerusalem

Was in charge of the area and had same powers as Grand Master within his own jurisdiction

Commander of Tripoli and Antioch

Was in charge of the area and had same powers as Grand Master within his own jurisdiction

Drapier

The Drapier was in charge of the Templar Garments

Commander of Houses

Acted as lieutenants to higher authorities within the order but carried little actual power themselves

Commander of Knights

Like the Commander of houses, acted as lieutenants to higher authorities within the order. They carried little actual power themselves

Knight Brothers

These were the warriors who wore the white tunic and cross. Each was equipped with three horses and armaments

Turcoplier

The purpose of the Turcolier was to command the brother sergeants in battle. The Turcopolier would lead the march along with a guard of knights

Under Marshal

The Under marshal was in charge of the footmen and the equipment

Standard Bearer

The Standard Bearer was one of the sergeants and charged with carrying the order's banner

Sergeant Brothers

These warriors were support troops and did not have to be nobly born. Although similarly equipped to a full knight, the sergeants had one horse and no squires under them

Turcopoles

These were the local troops who would fight along side the Templars. Similar to the sergeants

Sick and Elderly Brothers

WMM

whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:04 AM

Templar Punishment

In any monastic order there must be strict rules and regulations. The Templar order was no exception. The Commander would call the brethren to hear the charges against an offender and when the accused brother would confess of his fault he was asked to leave the room. At this time the Commander would seek the advice of the brethren in what penance to apply. If his infraction was small or if he was found to be innocent then no penance would be given. If however, he were in violation of a major infraction of the rule then the General Chapter would later try him. Below is a list of some of the faults and consequences a brother of the order could face:

Expulsion From The Order
This was the highest punishment a Templar Knight could face. Upon expulsion of the order he had an obligation to join the Cistercian order founded by Templar supporter St. Bernard of Clairvaux. It was hoped that joining this non-warrior monastic order would save the expelled brothers soul. Below are the infractions to cause such expulsion.

Murdering a Christian
Divulging the Chapter's meetings
Committing acts of sodomy
Committing an act of heresy or denouncing the Christian faith
Conspiring or making false charges against a brother
Leaving the Temple house for more than two days without permission
Fleeing the enemy during battle while the Beauseant was flying or without permission of the Marshall
Losing Your Coat (Rank)
Losing the coat of the order was a penance of shame. Taken from guilty brother were his coat, weapons and horse. He would also be forced to eat off the floor, do menial tasks and be generally separated from his brethren. This penance befell any that committed these infractions:

Fought with another brother
Lost or murdered a slave
Killed a pack animal or lost their horse due to their own neglect
Told untruths about themselves
Injured any Christian person out of anger (not by accident)
Had sex with a woman
*Sexual intercourse with a man was a much more serious Templar infraction see above
Threatened to join the Saracens (usually out of madness or anger)
Leaving the Commandery at night in anger
Throwing their Templar coat to the ground in anger
Loaned any Temple assets without permission of the order
It is important to note that all the above crimes could be forgiven. If a brother repented with sincerity of his bad actions, and providing the brethren agreed, he would be restored with his coat and weapons.

WMM

whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:07 AM

Here begins the prologue to the Rule of Temple
1. We speak firstly to all those who secretly despise their own will and desire with a pure heart to serve the sovereign king as a knight and with studious care desire to wear, and wear permanently, the very noble armour of obedience. And therefore we admonish you, you who until now have led the lives of secular knights, in which Jesus Christ was not the cause, but which you embraced for human favour only, to follow those whom God has chosen from the mass of perdition and whom he has ordered through his gracious mercy to defend the Holy Church, and that you hasten to join them forever.

2. Above all things, whosoever would be a knight of Christ, choosing such holy orders, you in your profession of faith must unite pure diligence and firm perseverence, which is so worthy and so holy, and is known to be so noble, that if it is preserved untainted for ever, you will deserve to keep company with the martyrs who gave their souls for Jesus Christ. In this religious order has flourished and is revitalised the order of knighthood. This knighthood despised the love of justice that constitutes its duties and did not do what it should, that is defend the poor, widows, orphans and churches, but strove to plunder, despoil and kill. God works well with us and our saviour Jesus Christ; He has sent his friends from the Holy City of Jerusalem to the marches of France and Burgundy, who for our salvation and the spread of the true faith do not cease to offer their souls to God, a welcome sacrifice.

3. Then we, in all joy and all brotherhood, at the request of Master Hugues de Payens, by whom the aforementioned knighthood was founded by the grace of the Holy Spirit, assembled at Troyes from divers provinces beyond the mountains on the feast of my lord St Hilary, in the year of the incarnation of Jesus Christ 1128, in the ninth year after the founding of the aforesaid knighthood. And the conduct and beginnings of the Order of Knighthood we heard in common chapter from the lips of the aforementioned Master, Brother Hugues de Payens; and according to the limitations of our understanding what seemed to us good and beneficial we praised, and what seemed wrong we eschewed.

4. And all that took place at that council cannot be told nor recounted; and so that it should not be taken lightly by us, but considered in wise prudence, we left it to the discretion of both our honourable father lord Honorius and of the noble patriarch of Jerusalem, Stephen, who knew the affairs of the East and of the Poor Knights of Christ, by the advice of the common council we praised it unanimously. Although a great number of religious fathers who assembled at that council praised the authority of our words, nevertheless we should not pass over in silence the true sentences and judgements which they pronounced.

5. Therefore I, Jean Michel, to whom was entrusted and confided that divine office, by the grace of God served as the humble scribe of the present document by order of the council and of the venerable father Bernard, abbot of Clairvaux.

The Names of the Fathers who Attended the Council
6. First was Matthew, bishop of Albano, by the grace of God legate of the Holy Church of Rome; R[enaud], archbishop of Reims; H(enri), archbishop of Sens; and then their suffragans: G(ocelin], bishop of Soissons; the bishop of Paris; the bishop of Troyes; the bishop of OrlÃ¨ans; the bishop of Auxerre; the bishop of Meaux; the bishop of Chalons; the bishop of Laon; the bishop of Beauvais; the abbot of VÃ¨zelay, who was later made archbishop of Lyon and legate of the Church of Rome; the abbot of CÃ®teaux; the abbot of Pontigny; the abbot of Trois-Fontaines; the abbot of St Denis de Reims; the abbot of St-Etienne de Dijon; the abbot of Molesmes; the above-named B[ernard], abbot of Clairvaux: whose words the aforementioned praised liberally. Also present were master Aubri de Reims; master Fulcher and several others whom it would be tedious to record. And of the others who have not been listed it seems profitable to furnish guarantees in this matter, that they are lovers of truth: they are count Theobald; the count of Nevers; AndrÃ¨ de Baudemant. These were at the council and acted in such a manner that by perfect, studious care they sought out that which was fine and disapproved that which did not seem right.

7. And also present was Brother Hugues de Payens, Master of the Knighthood, with some of his brothers whom he had brought with him. They were Brother Roland, Brother Godefroy, and Brother Geoffroi Bisot, Brother Payen de Montdidier, Brother Archambaut de Saint-Amand. The same Master Hugues with his followers related to the above-named fathers the customs and observances of their humble beginnings and of the one who said: Ego principium qui et loquor vobis, that is to say: 'I who speak to you am the beginning,' according to one's memory.

8. It pleased the common council that the deliberations which were made there and the consideration of the Holy Scriptures which were diligently examined with the wisdom of my lord H[onorius], pope of the Holy Church of Rome, and of the patriarch of Jerusalem and with the assent of the chapter, together with the agreement of the Poor Knights of Christ of the Temple which is in Jerusalem, should be put in writing and not forgotten, steadfastly kept so that by an upright life one may come to his creator; the compassion of which Lord [is sweeter] than honey when compared with God; whose mercy resembles oine, and permits us to come to Him whom they desire to serve. Per infinita seculorum secula. Amen

Here Begins the Rule of the Poor Knighthood of the Temple
9. You who renounce your own wills, and you others serving the sovereign king with horses and arms, for the salvation of your souls, for a fixed term, strive everywhere with pure desire to hear matins and the entire service according to canonical law and the customs of the regular masters of the Holy City of Jerusalem. 0 you venerable brothers, similarly God is with you, if you promise to despise the deceitful world in perpetual love of God, and scorn the temptations of your body: sustained by the food of God and watered and instructed in the commandments of Our Lord, at the end of the divine office, none should fear to go into battle if he henceforth wears the tonsure.

10. But if any brother is sent through the work of the house and of Christianity in the East--something we believe will happen often--and cannot hear the divine office, he should say instead of matins thirteen paternosters; seven for each hour and nine for vespers. And together we all order him to do so. But those who are sent for such a reason and cannot come at the hours set to hear the divine office, if possible the set hours should not be omitted, in order to render to God his due.

The Manner in which Brothers should be Received
11. If any secular knight, or any other man, wishes to leave the mass of perdition and abandon that secular life and choose your communal life, do not consent to receive him immediately, for thus said my lord St Paul: Probate spiritus si ex Deo sunt. That is to say: 'Test the soul to see if it comes from God.' Rather, if the company of the brothers is to be granted to him, let the Rule be read to him, and if he wishes to studiously obey the commandments of the Rule, and if it pleases the Master and the brothers to receive him, let him reveal his wish and desire before all the brothers assembled in chapter and let him make his request with a pure heart.

On Excommunicated Knights
12. Where you know excommunicated knights to be gathered, there we command you to go; and if anyone there wishes to join the order of knighthood from regions overseas, you should not consider worldly gain so much as the eternal salvation of his soul. We order him to be received on condition that he come before the bishop of that province and make his intention known to him. And when the bishop has heard and absolved him, he should send him to the Master and brothers of the Temple, and if his life is honest and worthy of their company, if he seems good to the Master and brothers, let him be mercifully received; and if he should die in the meanwhile, through the anguish and torment he has suffered, let him be given all the benefits of the brotherhood due to one of the Poor Knights of the Temple.

13. Under no other circumstances should the brothers of the Temple share the company of an obviously-excommunicated man, nor take his own things; and this we prohibit strongly because it would be a fearful thing if they were excommunicated like him. But if he is only forbidden to hear the divine office, it is certainly possible to keep company with him and take his property for charity with the permission of their commander.

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whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:08 AM

On Not Receiving Children
14. Although the rule of the holy fathers allows the receiving of children into a religious life, we do not advise you to do this. For he who wishes to give his child eternally to the order of knighthood should bring him up until such time as he is able to bear arms with vigour, and rid the land of the enemies of Jesus Christ. Then let the mother and father lead him to the house and make his request known to the brothers; and it is much better if he does not take the vow when he is a child, but when he is older, and it is better if he does not regret it than if he regrets it. And henceforth let him be put to the test according to the wisdom of the Master and brothers and according to the honesty of the life of the one who asks to be admitted to the brotherhood.

On Brothers who Stand Too Long in Chapel
15. It has been made known to us and we heard it from true witnesses that immoderately and without restraint you hear the divine service whilst standing. We do not ordain that you behave in this manner, on the contrary we disapprove of it. But we command that the strong as well as the weak, to avoid a fuss, should sing the psalm which is called Venite, with the invitatory and the hymn sitting down, and say their prayers in silence, softly and not loudly, so that the proclaimer does not disturb the prayers of the other brothers.

16. But at the end of the psalms, when the Gloria patri is sung, through reverence for the Holy Trinity, you will rise and bow towards the altar, while the weak and ill will incline their heads. So we command; and when the explanation of the Gospels is read, and the Te deum laudamus is sung, and while all the lauds are sung, and the matins are finished, you will be on your feet. In such a manner we command you likewise to be on your feet at matins and at all the hours of Our Lady.

On the Brothers' Dress
17. We command that all the brothers' habits should always be of one colour, that is white or black or brown. And we grant to all knight brothers in winter and in summer if possible, white cloaks; and no-one who does not belong to the aforementioned Knights of Christ is allowed to have a white cloak, so that those who have abandoned the life of darkness will recognise each other as being reconciled to their creator by the sign of the white habits: which signifies purity and complete chastity. Chastity is certitude of heart and healthiness of body. For if any brother does not take the vow of chastity he cannot come to eternal rest nor see God, by the promise of the apostle who said: Pacem sectamini cum omnibus et castimoniam sine qua nemo Deum videbit. That is to say: 'Strive to bring peace to all, keep chaste, without which no-one can see God.'

18. But these robes should be without any finery and without any show of pride. And so we ordain that no brother will have a piece of fur on his clothes, nor anything else which belongs to the usages of the body, not even a blanket unless it is of lamb's wool or sheep's wool. We command all to have the same, so that each can dress and undress, and put on and take off his boots easily. And the Draper or the one who is in his place should studiously reflect and take care to have the reward of God in all the above-mentioned things, so that the eyes of the envious and evil-tongued cannot observe that the robes are too long or too short; but he should distribute them so that they fit those who must wear them, according to the size of each one.

19. And if any brother out of a feeling of pride or arrogance wishes to have as his due a better and finer habit, let him be given the worst. And those who receive new robes must immediately return the old ones, to be given to the squires and sergeants and often to the poor, according to what seems good to the one who holds that office.

On Shirts
20. Among the other things, we mercifully rule that, because of the great intensity of the heat which exists in the East, from Easter to All Saints, through compassion and in no way as a right, a linen shirt shalt be given to any brother who wishes to wear it.

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whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:11 AM

On Bed Linen
21. We command by common consent that each man shall have clothes and bed linen according to the discretion of the Master. It is our intention that apart from a mattress, one bolster and one blanket should be sufficient for each; and he who lacks one of these may have a rug, and he may use a linen blanket at all times, that is to say with a soft pile. And they will at all times sleep dressed in shirt and breeches and shoes and belts, and where they sleep shall be lit until morning. And the Draper should ensure that the brothers are so well tonsured that they may be examined from the front and from behind; and we command you to firmly adhere to this same conduct with respect to beards and moustaches, so that no excess may be noted on their bodies.

On Pointed Shoes' and Shoe-Laces
22. We prohibit pointed shoes and shoe-laces and forbid any brother to wear them; nor do we permit them to those who serve the house for a fixed term; rather we forbid them to have shoes with points or laces under any circumstances. For it is manifest and well known that these abominable things belong to pagans. Nor should they wear their hair or their habits too long. For those who serve the sovereign creator must of necessity be born within and without through the promise of God himself who said: Estote mundi quia ego mundus sum. That is to say: 'Be born as I am born.'

How They Should Eat
23. In the palace, or what should rather be called the refectory, they should eat together. But if you are in need of anything because you are not accustomed to the signs used by other men of religion, quietly and privately you should ask for what you need at table, with all humility and submission. For the apostle said: Manduca panem tuum cum silentio. That is to say: 'Eat your bread in silence.' And the psalmist: Posui ori meo custodiam. That is to say: 'I held my tongue.' That is, 'I thought my tongue would fail me.' That is, 'I held my tongue so that I should speak no ill.'

On the Reading of the Lesson
24. Always, at the convent's dinner and supper, let the Holy Scripture be read, if possible. If we love God and all His holy words and His holy commandments, we should desire to listen attentively; the reader of the lesson will tell you to keep silent before he begins to read.

On Bowls and Drinking Vessels
25. Because of the shortage of bowls, the brothers will eat in pairs, so that one may study the other more closely, and so that neither austerity nor secret abstinence is introduced into the communal meal. And it seems just to us that each brother should have the same ration of wine in his cup.

On the Eating of Meat
26. It should be sufficient for you to eat meat three times a week, except at Christmas, All Saints, the Assumption and the feast of the twelve apostles. For it is understood that the custom of eating flesh corrupts the body. But if a fast when meat must be forgone falls on a Tuesday, the next day let it be given to the brothers in plenty. And on Sundays all the brothers of the Temple, the chaplains and the clerks shall be given two meat meals in honour of the holy resurrection of Jesus Christ. And the rest of the household, that is to say the squires and sergeants, shall be content with one meal and shall be thankful to God for it.

On Weekday Meals
27. On the other days of the week, that is Mondays, Wednesdays and even Saturdays, the brothers shall have two or three meals of vegetables or other dishes eaten with bread; and we intend that this should be sufficient and command that it should be adhered to. For he who does not eat one meal shall eat the other.

On Friday Meals
28. On Fridays, let lenten meat be given communally to the whole congregation, out of reverence for the passion of Jesus Christ; and you will fast from All Saints until Easter, except for Christmas Day, the Assumption and the feast of the twelve apostles. But weak and sick brothers shall not be kept to this. From Easter to All Saints they may eat twice, as long as there is no general fast.

On Saying Grace
29. Always after every dinner and supper all the brothers should give thanks to God in silence, if the church is near to the palace where they eat, and if it is not nearby, in the place itself. With a humble heart they should give thanks to Jesus Christ who is the Lord Provider. Let the remains of the broken bread be given to the poor and whole loaves be kept. Although the reward of the poor, which is the kingdom of heaven, should be given to the poor without hesitation, and the Christian faith doubtless recognises you among them, we ordain that a tenth part of the bread be given to your Almoner.

On Taking Collation
30. When daylight fades and night falls listen to the signal of the bell or the call to prayers, according to the customs of the country, and all go to compline. But we command you first to take collation; although we place this light meal under the arbitration and discretion of the Master. When he wants water and when he orders, out of mercy, diluted wine, let it be given sensibly. Truly, it should not be taken to excess, but in moderation. For Solomon said: Quia vinum facit apostatare sapientes.ÃƒÃƒ Ã„Ã„That is to say that wine corrupts the wise.

On Keeping Silence
31. When the brothers come out of compline they have no permission to speak openly except in an emergency. But let each go to his bed quietly and in silence, and if he needs to speak to his squire, he should say what he has to say softly and quietly. But if by chance, as they come out of compline, the knighthood or the house has a serious problem which must be solved before morning, we intend that the Master or a party of elder brothers who govern the Order under the Master, may speak appropriately. And for this reason we command that it should be done in such a manner.

32. For it is written: In multiloquio non effugies peccatum. That is to say that to talk too much is not without sin. And elsewhere: Mors et vita in manibus lingue. That is to say: 'Life and death are in the power of the tongue.' And during that conversation we altogether prohibit idle words and wicked bursts of laughter. And if anything is said during that conversation that should not be said, when you go to bed we command you to say the paternoster prayer in all humility and pure devotion.

On Ailing Brothers
33. Brothers who suffer illness through the work of the house may be allowed to rise at matins with the agreement and permission of the Master or of those who are charged with that office. But they should say instead of matins thirteen paternosters, as is established above, in such a manner that the words reflect the heart. Thus said David: Psallite sapienter. That is to say: 'Sing wisely.' And elsewhere the same David said: In conspectu Angelorum psallam tibi. That is to say: 'I will sing to you before the angels.' And let this thing be at all times at the discretion of the Master or of those who are charged with that office.

On the Communal Life
34. One reads in the Holy Scriptures: Dividebatur singulis prout cuique opus erat. That is to say that to each was given according to his need. For this reason we say that no-one should be elevated among you, but all should take care of the sick; and he who is less ill should thank God and not be troubled; and let whoever is worse humble himself through his infirmity and not become proud through pity. In this way all members will live in peace. And we forbid anyone to embrace excessive abstinence; but firmly keep the communal life.

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whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:11 AM

On the Master
35. The Master may give to whomsoever he pleases the horse and armour and whatever he likes of another brother, and the brother to whom the given thing belongs should not become vexed or angry: for be certain that if he becomes angry he will go against God.

On Giving Counsel
36. Let only those brothers whom the Master knows will give wise and beneficial advice be called to the council; for this we command, and by no means everyone should be chosen. For when it happens that they wish to treat serious matters like the giving of communal land, or to speak of the affairs of the house, or receive a brother, then if the Master wishes, it is appropriate to assemble the entire congregation to hear the advice of the whole chapter; and what seems to the Master best and most beneficial, let him do it.

On Brothers Sent Overseas
37. Brothers who are sent throughout divers countries of the world should endeavour to keep the commandments of the Rule according to their ability and live without reproach with regard to meat and wine, etc. so that they may receive a good report from outsiders and not sully by deed or word the precepts of the Order, and so that they may set an example of good works and wisdom; above all so that those with whom they associate and those in whose inns they lodge may be bestowed with honour. And if possible, the house where they sleep and take lodging should not be without light at night, so that shadowy enemies may not lead them to wickedness, which God forbids them.

On Keeping the Peace
38. Each brother should ensure that he does not incite another brother to wrath or anger, for the sovereign mercy of God holds the strong and weak brother equal, in the name of charity.

How the Brothers Should Go About
39. In order to carry out their holy duties and gain the glory of the Lord's joy and to escape the fear of hell-fire, it is fitting that all brothers who are professed strictly obey their Master. For nothing is dearer to Jesus Christ than obedience. For as soon as something is commanded by the Master or by him to whom the Master has given the authority, it should be done without delay as though Christ himself had commanded it. For thus said Jesus Christ through the mouth of David, and it is true: Ob auditu auris obedivit mihi. That is to say: 'He obeyed me as soon as he heard me.'

40. For this reason we pray and firmly command the knight brothers who have abandoned their own wills and all the others who serve for a fixed term not to presume to go out into the town or city without the permission of the Master or of the one who is given that office; except at night to the Sepulchre and the places of prayer which lie within the walls of the city of Jerusalem.

41. There, brothers may go in pairs, but otherwise may not go out by day or night; and when they have stopped at an inn, neither brother nor squire nor sergeant may go to another's lodging to see or speak to him without permission, as is said above. We command by common consent that in this Order which is ruled by God, no brother should fight or rest according to his own will, but according to the orders of the Master, to whom all should submit, that they may follow this pronouncement of Jesus Christ who said: Non veni facere voluntatem meam, sed ejus que misit me, patris. That is to say: 'I did not come to do my own will, but the will of my father who sent me.'

How they should Effect an Exchange
42. Without permission from the Master or from the one who holds that office, let no brother exchange one thing for another, nor ask to, unless it is a small or petty thing.

On Locks
43. Without permission from the Master or from the one who holds that office, let no brother have a lockable purse or bag; but commanders of houses or provinces and Masters shall not be held to this. Without the consent of the Master or of his commander, let no brother have letters from his relatives or any other person; but if he has permission, and if it please the Master or the commander, the letters may be read to him.

On Secular Gifts
44. If anything which cannot be conserved, like meat, is given to any brother by a secular person in thanks, he should present it to the Master or the Commander of Victuals. But if it happens that any of his friends or relatives has something that they wish to give only to him, let him not take it without the permission of the Master or of the one who holds that office. Moreover, if the brother is sent any other thing by his relatives, let him not take it without the permission of the Master or of the one who holds that office. We do not wish the commanders or baillis, who are especially charged to carry out this office, to be held to this aforementioned rule.

On Faults
45. If any brother, in speaking or soldiering, or in any other way commits a slight sin, he himself should willingly make known the fault to the Master, to make amends with a pure heart. And if he does not usually fail in this way let him be given a light penance, but if the fault is very serious let him go apart from the company of the brothers so that he does not eat or drink at any table with them, but all alone; and he should submit to the mercy and judgement of the Master and brothers, that he may be saved on the Day of Judgement.

On Serious Faults
46. Above all things, we should ensure that no brother, powerful or not powerful, strong or weak, who wishes to promote himself gradually and become proud and defend his crime, remain unpunished. But if he does not wish to atone for it let him be given a harsher punishment. And if by pious counsel prayers are said to God for him, and he does not wish to make amends, but wishes to boast more and more of it, let him be uprooted from the pious flock; according to the apostle who says: Auferte malum ex vobis. That is to say: 'Remove the wicked from among you.' It is necessary for you to remove the wicked sheep from the company of faithful brothers.

47. Moreover the Master, who should hold in his hand the staff and rod- the staff with which to sustain the weaknesses and strengths of others; the rod with which to beat the vices of those who sin--for love of justice by counsel of the patriarch, should take care to do this. But also, as my lord St Maxime said: 'May the leniency be no greater than the fault; nor excessive punishment cause the sinner to return to evil deeds.'

On Rumour
48. We command you by divine counsel to avoid a plague: envy, rumour, spite, slander. So each one should zealously guard against what the apostle said: Ne sis criminator et susurro in populo. That is to say: 'Do not accuse or malign the people of God.' But when a brother knows for certain that his fellow brother has sinned, quietly and with fraternal mercy let him be chastised privately between the two of them, and if he does not wish to listen, another brother should be called, and if he scorns them both he should recant openly before the whole chapter. Those who disparage others suffer from a terrible blindness and many are full of great sorrow that they do not guard against harbouring envy towards others; by which they shall be plunged into the ancient wickedness of the devil.

Let None Take Pride in his Faults
49. Although all idle words are generally known to be sinful, they will be spoken by those who take pride in their own sin before the strict judge Jesus Christ; which is demonstrated by what David said: Obmutui et silui a bonis. That is to say that one should refrain from speaking even good, and observe silence. Likewise one should guard against speaking evil, in order to escape the penalty of sin. We prohibit and firmly forbid any brother to recount to another brother nor to anyone else the brave deeds he has done in secular life, which should rather be called follies committed in the performance of knightly duties, and the pleasures of the flesh that he has had with immoral women; and if it happens that he hears them being told by another brother, he should immediately silence him; and if he cannot do this, he should straightaway leave that place and not give his heart's ear to the pedlar of filth.

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whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:13 AM

Let None Ask
50. This custom among the others we command you to adhere to strictly and firmly: that no brother should explicitly ask for the horse or armour of another. It will therefore be done in this manner: if the infirmity of the brother or the frailty of his animals or his armour is known to be such that the brother cannot go out to do the work of the house without harm, let him go to the Master, or to the one who is in his place in that office after the Master, and make the situation known to him in pure faith and true fraternity, and henceforth remain at the disposal of the Master or of the one who holds that office.

On Animals and Squires
51. Each knight brother may have three horses and no more without the permission of the Master, because of the great poverty which exists at the present time in the house of God and of the Temple of Solomon. To each knight brother we grant three horses and one squire, and if that squire willingly serves charity, the brother should not beat him for any sin he commits.

That No Brother May Have an Ornate Bridle
52. We utterly forbid any brother to have gold or silver on his bridle, nor on his stirrups, nor on his spurs. That is, if he buys them; but if it happens that a harness is given to him in charity which is so old that the gold or silver is tarnished, that the resplendent beauty is not seen by others nor pride taken in them: then he may have them. But if he is given new equipment let the Master deal with it as he sees fit.

On Lance Covers
53. Let no brother have a cover on his shield or his lance, for it is no advantage, on the contrary we understand that it would be very harmful.

On Food Bags
54. This command which is established by us it is beneficial for all to keep and for this reason we ordain that it be kept henceforth, and that no brother may make a food bag of linen or wool, principally, or anything else except a profinel.

On Hunting
55. We collectively forbid any brother to hunt a bird with another bird. It is not fitting for a man of religion to succumb to pleasures, but to hear willingly the commandments of God, to be often at prayer and each day to confess tearfully to God in his prayers the sins he has committed. No brother may presume to go particularly with a man who hunts one bird with another. Rather it is fitting for every religious man to go simply and humbly without laughing or talking too much, but reasonably and without raising his voice and for this reason we command especially all brothers not to go in the woods with longbow or crossbow to hunt animals or to accompany anyone who would do so, except out of love to save him from faithless pagans. Nor should you go after dogs, nor shout or chatter, nor spur on a horse out of a desire to capture a wild beast.

On the Lion
56. It is the truth that you especially are charged with the duty of giving your souls for your brothers, as did Jesus Christ, and of defending the land from the unbelieving pagans who are the enemies of the son of the Virgin Mary. This above-mentioned prohibition of hunting is by no means intended to include the lion, for he comes encircling and searching for what he can devour, his hands against every man and every man's hand against him.

How They May Have Lands and Men
57. This kind of new order we believe was born out of the Holy Scriptures and divine providence in the Holy Land of the Fast. That is to say that this armed company of knights may kill the enemies of the cross without sinning. For this reason we judge you to be rightly called knights of the Temple, with the double merit and beauty of probity, and that you may have lands and keep men, villeins and fields and govern them justly, and take your right to them as it is specifically established.

On Tithes
58. You who have abandoned the pleasant riches of this world, we believe you to have willingly subjected yourselves to poverty; therefore we are resolved that you who live the communal life may receive tithes. If the bishop of the place, to whom the tithe should be rendered by right, wishes to give it to you out of charity, with the consent of his chapter he may give those tithes which the Church possesses. Moreover, if any layman keeps the tithes of his patrimony, to his detriment and against the Church, and wishes to leave them to you, he may do so with the permission of the prelate and his chapter.

On Giving Judgement
59. We know, because we have seen it, that persecutors and people who like quarrels and endeavour to cruelly torment those faithful to the Holy Church and their friends, are without number. By the clear judgement of our council, we command that if there is anyone in the parties of the East or anywhere else who asks anything of you, for faithful men and love of truth you should judge the thing, if the other party wishes to allow it. This same commandment should be kept at all times when something is stolen from you.

On Elderly Brothers
60. We command by pious counsel that ageing and weak brothers be honoured with diligence and given consideration according to their frailty; and, kept well by the authority of the Rule in those things which are necessary to their physical welfare, should in no way be in distress.

On Sick Brothers
61. Let sick brothers be given consideration and care and be served according to the saying of the evangelist and Jesus Christ: Infirmus fui et visitastis me. That is to say: 'I was sick and you visited me'; and let this not be forgotten. For those brothers who are wretched should be treated quietly and with care, for which service, carried out without hesitation, you will gain the kingdom of heaven.

Therefore we command the Infirmarer to studiously and faithfully provide those things which are necessary to the various sick brothers, such as meat, flesh, birds and all other foods which bring good health, according to the means and the ability of the house.

On Deceased Brothers
62. When any brother passes from life to death, a thing from which no one is exempt, we command you to sing mass for his soul with a pure heart, and have the divine office performed by the priests who serve the sovereign king and you who serve charity for a fixed term and all the brothers who are present where the body lies and serve for a fixed term should say one hundred paternosters during the next seven days. And all the brothers who are under the command of that house where the brother has passed away should say the hundred paternosters, as is said above, afrer the death of the brother is known, by God's mercy. Also we pray and command by pastoral authority that a pauper be fed with meat and wine for forty days in memory of the dead brother, just as if he were alive. We expressly forbid all other offerings which used to be made at will and without discretion by the Poor Knights of the Temple on the death of brothers, at the feast of Easter and at other feasts.

63. Moreover, you should profess your faith with a pure heart night and day that you may be compared in this respect to the wisest of all the prophets, who said: Calicem salutaris accipiam. That is to say: 'I will take the cup of salvation.' Which means: 'I will avenge the death of Jesus Christ by my death. For just as Jesus Christ gave his body for me, I am prepared in the same way to give my soul for my brothers.' This is a suitable offering; a living sacrifice and very pleasing to God.

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whitemajikman

01-22-2005, 11:19 AM

On the Priests and Clerks who Serve Charity
64. The whole of the common council commands you to render all offerings and all kinds of alms in whatever manner they may be given, to the chaplains and clerks and to others who remain in charity for a fixed term. According to the authority of the Lord God, the servants of the Church may have only food and clothing, and may not presume to have anything else unless the Master wishes to give them anything willingly out of charity.

On Secular Knights
65. Those who serve out of pity and remain with you for a fixed term are knights of the house of God and of the Temple of Solomon; therefore out of pity we pray and finally command that if during his stay the power of God takes any one of them, for love of God and out of brotherly mercy, one pauper be fed for seven days for the sake of his soul, and each brother in that house should say thirty paternosters.

On Secular Knights who Serve for a Fixed Term
66. We command all secular knights who desire with a pure heart to serve Jesus Christ and the house of the Temple of Solomon for a fixed term to faithfully buy a suitable horse and arms, and everything that will be necessary for such work. Furthermore, we command both parties to put a price on the horse and to put the price in writing so that it is not forgotten; and let everything that the knight, his squire and horse need, even horseshoes, be given out of fraternal charity according to the means of the house. If, during the fixed term, it happens by chance that the horse dies in the service of the house, if the house can afford to, the Master should replace it. If, at the end of his tenure, the knight wishes to return to his own country, he should leave to the house, out of charity, half the price of the horse, and the other half he may, if he wishes, receive from the alms of the house.

On the Commitment of Sergeants
67. As the squires and sergeants who wish to serve charity in the house of the Temple for the salvation of their souls and for a fixed term come from divers regions, it seems to us beneficial that their promises be received, so that the envious enemy does not put it in their hearts to repent of or renounce their good intentions.

On White Mantles
68. By common counsel of all the chapter we forbid and order expulsion, for common vice, of anyone who without discretion was in the house of God and of the Knights of the Temple; also that the sergeants and squires should not have white habits, from which custom great harm used to come to the house; for in the regions beyond the mountains false brothers, married men and others who said they were brothers of the Temple used to be sworn in; while they were of the world. They brought so much shame to us and harm to the Order of Knighthood that even their squires boasted of it; for this reason numerous scandals arose. Therefore let them assiduously be given black robes; but if these cannot be found, they should be given what is available in that province; or what is the least expensive, that is burell.

On Married Brothers
69. If married men ask to be admitted to the fraternity, benefice and devotions of the house, we permit you to receive them on the following conditions: that after their death they leave you a part of their estate and all that they have obtained henceforth. Meanwhile, they should lead honest lives and endeavour to act well towards the brothers. But they should not wear white habits or cloaks; moreover, if the lord should die before his lady, the brothers should take part of his estate and let the lady have the rest to support her during her lifetime; for it does not seem right to us that such confrÃ©res should live in a house with brothers who have promised chastity to God.

On Sisters
70. The company of women is a dangerous thing, for by it the old devil has led many from the straight path to Paradise. Henceforth, let not ladies be admitted as sisters into the house of the Temple; that is why, very dear brothers, henceforth it is not fitting to follow this custom, that the flower of chastity is always maintained among you.

Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Women
71. We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss a woman, be it widow, young girl, mother, sister, aunt or any other; and henceforth the Knighthood of Jesus Christ should avoid at all costs the embraces of women, by which men have perished many times, so that they may remain eternally before the face of God with a pure conscience and sure life.

Not Being Godfathers
72. We forbid all brothers henceforth to dare to raise children over the font and none should be ashamed to refuse to be godfathers or godmothers; this shame brings more glory than sin.

On the Commandments
73. All the commandments which are mentioned and written above in this present Rule are at the discretion and judgement of the Master.

These are the Feast Days and Fasts that all the Brothers should Celebrate and Observe
74. Let it be known to all present and future brothers of the Temple that they should fast at the vigils of the twelve apostles. That is to say: St Peter and St Paul; St Andrew; St James and St Philip; St Thomas; St Bartholomew; Sts. Simon and Jude St James; St Matthew. The vigil of St John the Baptist; the vigil of the Ascension and the two days before, the rogation days; the vigil of Pentecost; the ember days; the vigil of St Laurence; the vigil of Our Lady in mid-August; the vigil of All Saints; the vigil of Epiphany. And they should fast on all the above-mentioned days according to the commandments of Pope Innocent at the council which took place in the city of Pisa. And if any of the above-mentioned feast days fall on a Monday, they should fast on the preceding Saturday. If the nativity of Our Lord falls on a Friday, the brothers should eat meat in honour of the festival. But they should fast on the feast day of St Mark because of the Litany: for it is established by Rome for the mortality of men. However, if it falls during the octave of Easter, they should not fast.

These are the Feast Days which should be Observed in the House of the Temple
75. The nativity of Our Lord; the feast of St Stephen; St John the Evangelist; the Holy Innocents; the eighth day of Christmas, which is New Year's Day; Epiphany; St Mary Candlemas; St Mathias the Apostle; the Annunciation of Our Lady in March; Easter and the three days following; St George; Sts Philip and James, two apostles; the finding of the Holy Cross; the Ascension of Our Lord; Pentecost and the two days following; St John the Baptist; St Peter and St Paul, two apostles; St Mary Magdalene; St James the Apostle; St Laurence; the Assumption of Our Lady; the nativity of Our Lady; the Exaltation of the Holy Cross; St Matthew the Apostle; St Michael; Sts Simon and Jude; the feast of All Saints; St Martin in winter; St Catherine in winter; St Andrew; St Nicholas in winter; St Thomas the Apostle.

76. None of the lesser feasts should be kept by the house of the Temple. And we wish and advise that this be strictly kept and adhered to: that all the brothers of the Temple should fast from the Sunday before St Martin's to the nativity of Qur Lord, unless illness prevents them. And if it happens that the feast of St Martin falls on a Sunday, the brothers should go without meat on the preceding Sunday.

Now Jimmy you have some studying to do...........

Especially if you are going to keep using the Templars as a tag team partner to your racist hatred.........

The Templars do not deserve your brand of revisionist history ...........

And thats a fact.......

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

01-22-2005, 05:18 PM

Gaia,

It appears to me that you are on the road to perdition about as seriously as anyone I have ever seen. Masons worship this Mason's Great Solomons Temple issues, and if you put that up front you have the mark of the beast.

You can't run about like a blind man searching for his way banging into things and be taken seriously. You don't show me a sound sense of being able to sort the evil from the good. Little persistent comments that don't show much intermixed with pastes on the Arab issues---then running around going Bush is great. You can't differentiate.

You don't seem to even notice in your zeel to be noticed that free speech is not about making treats to kill Jews or anyone. In like fasion, I don't think calling someone rabbit and then showing graphic photos of dead rabbits and speaking of Tree of Death should be tolerated, as they look exactly like veiled threats of death.

One of the ways Halva is not good at organization skills is he does not come down hard on those extreme things. Halva gets a zero in many organization skills and knowledge which are required when your up against persons that make a 90+ score at harassment, smear campaigns, and obscuring the issues.

Gaia, You seem just as likely to run around with the mark of the beast then try to obscure that with the cross, which in net effect makes all you do cancelled out.

You and your Mason's craft are the roots of this negating the abilty to sense good and evil and the roots of the ill defined anti-Christ and Christ differentiation in the world population.

This "I can do" thing you comment about sure is not illustrated by your words and speaking in sensible fashions. Today, you flip-flopped a bit from you norm--when you need to be consistent.

You and your secret organization need to straighen up---cause I can see the differences between good and evil in an instant.

IMHO,
is

PS--beasts directly or indirectly make war:
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm and http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=293295695#Post293295695 and http://rense.com/general62/brain.htm

Insurrectionchemistry

01-22-2005, 06:09 PM

Humm--looks like Gaia did get banned. I wonder what it was.
Guess he'll have to find something else to do all day long.
Later Gaia.

IMHO,
is

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 09:28 PM

453 pages to go. Would anyone like me to post another rabbit theft story?
I didn't think so.No thanks! No more hare brained schemes liek that, please! :)

According to Jim, Wayne is a dumbass. According to Jim's neighbors, Jim is a lunatic. And according to me they are both kooks!

Perhaps The Shadow would like to come forth and explain the hate that consumes him.Not sure if there are enough pages left. Only 453 to go.

Does anyone know of a hoax that needs to be debunked? How 'bout them lines in the sky that are killing us, some say? :)

Or we could try Elvis sightings?

Have any of you been not nice and fooled with Mother Nature, lately? Don't be shy. Speak up!I drove my car today. Does that count?

DAMMIT! Stil 453 to go! This is going to take a while...

Hey, here's an interesting one! Did you know that the moderators on this board think that thinly veiled death threats are just hunky dorey and perfectly acceptable? Got a note from one the other day.... Can you believe that? So if someone says to you "Mr. Xxxxx, I think it would be GREAT if some nameless person werer to stick a knife in your guts, real deep, and twist and slice, and watched your blood ooze amd gurgle to the last drop, and I know where you live and I know your wif'es name", then that is just perfectly OK. That does not violate Airanna's ToS at all. No problem. It is only if someone says "I am going to kill you" that you have to start getting worried, and even then it's iffy whether or not that is actually a death threat. ANd even more "iffy" on whether or not Arianna would take action... Go figure.

stuart_allsop

01-22-2005, 09:33 PM

Jimmy, I have bad news for you - gaiacomm was banned from this forum.

It does no good to address posts to him, because he is unable to respond.

Do you understand? Do you need to have this explained in further detail?

:confused:

Now why on earth did they ban HIM, but still let Shadow post? I guess Gaiacomm did not make convincing enough death threats. ... Too bad. I knda liked him, despite his kooky claims.

I wonder if I'll be next, for exposing the hypocrasy of the moderators?

Watch this space...

(Actually, it was only ONE moderator, not all of them, but I cannot mention who, since that would violate Arianna's ToS.)

Fair &Balanced Who Ca

01-22-2005, 09:48 PM

Now why on earth did they ban HIM, but still let Shadow post? I guess Gaiacomm did not make convincing enough death threats. ... Too bad. I knda liked him, despite his kooky claims.

I wonder if I'll be next, for exposing the hypocrasy of the moderators?

Watch this space...

(Actually, it was only ONE moderator, not all of them, but I cannot mention who, since that would violate Arianna's ToS.)

In the "Current Events" forum, Gaiacomm was posting about 30 posts a day, many of them containing only one word. This is spamming, and many posters requested he be banned, and he was asked over and over again to stop. He also made specific threats to damage equipment, as if he actually could. We didn't request it because he posted disgusting anti-semitic drek; we didn't request it because he's a complete loony and full of shit, which is anybody's right, as is well evidence on this particular thread; but we simply could not tolerate his endless spamming, which was taking away all other posters' rights to actually conduct conversation. The moderators did the right thing, and let that be a lesson to everyone. You can post insane bullshit on this thread all day, but when you spam the "Current Events" forum, there are consequences.

If "the Shadow" is making death threats, then he/she/it should be banned immediately. Report these posts to the moderators, and you will most likely get results, although from many of the posts I've read on this thread, I'm not sure death would be all that bad for many of the posters. That's a joke, but just barely.

halva

01-23-2005, 01:02 AM

Wayne, the war is over... we all won! Lets rebuild now...together!

You say the war is over because you get an apology from one deadshit and some patronising indulgence from a creep.

Whitemajikman tried to apologize to me after his Greenpeace Greece catastrophe. I didn't accept it, and this latest incident confirms that apologies from these dregs mean nothing.

Also Raynolds still does not apologize for claiming for a year at least that you are Lance Haubrick.

You can be won over very easily Gaiacomm.

And after that you get banned anyway.

As if you were the only dispenser of anti-semitic drek, and is if that is the worst kind of drek.

After what looked like your victory over two junior debunkers I was beginning to think it might not be unsafe to sound you out in relation to real-world activity, following in the logic of the seminar last year you failed to attend.

But you remain altogether too shadowy an entity to be in receipt of invitations of thÃ*t kind.

As does everyone on this thread, now that Footsoldier has started her own thread.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 03:27 AM

Well---looks like the Gaia banned thing lasted ever bit of 2 seconds.

Getting back to the issues on Gaia Flip-Flop:

PS--beasts directly or indirectly make war:
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm and http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=293295695#Post293295695 and http://rense.com/general62/brain.htm

Plus, tell everyone how you came by all this ORNL sciences of the 80's.

IMHO,
is

The Shadow

01-23-2005, 06:21 AM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=226232

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=226145

This sure does sound like the words of an intelligent person, Gaiacomm. This bizarre "rabbit" theme between Jayhole and Yaakass is beginning to get a little creepy. It should serve as evidence that psychopaths are quite adept at feigning intelligence and honesty.
Just a simple observation of nature, Shadow. You must be a city dweller (Puget Sound area?). When an animal of prey is about to die, it goes into shock. This is a merciful provision of the Creator so that the animal does not suffer. When my time has ended, an unexpected and fatal whack to the head would be welcome.Perhaps you can put that out to bid on eBay.

This is not a thread aimed at these laws of nature, Ranger Rick. I have seen plenty throughout my life and I probably know more about the interface between forms of wildlife than do you. Look, you and Mr. Reynolds appear to have been deliberately posting clips with a high degree of shock value, whose central theme has been intentionally graphic and revolving around the death of a particular type of animal. He began by casting me in the role of a lagomorph (http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225167). You seem oblivious to the underlying messages being conveyed. I even received an email from someone who was concerned for my safety. From what I can tell in recent entries â€“ on which I wasted very little time â€“ the two of you are simply being your repugnant selves. There is not much I can do besides offer pity â€“ on behalf of others.

BTW, I liked being set in Arizona a lot more. You are getting colder.

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=223257

Wayne, whatever I say, you can take it to the bank and use it for collateral.Obviously, that is hardly the case. When is the foreclosure on your rabbit farm, Mr. Reynolds?

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halva

01-23-2005, 07:19 AM

Wayne Hall is a DUMBASS.
This FACT is agreed upon by everyone in participation here.
Only a DUMBASS would engage in a 500 page debate on a subject
for which he admits having no proof whatsoever.
Face it, Wayne, this has been a disaster for you.

First of all, you hitched your horse to William Thomas' wagon.
He never pulled you anywhere(except your leg).
Then, you put your faith in Sore Throat.
He abandoned you.
You trusted David Stewart to bail you out.
He admitted he was a liar, that was the end of him.
You hoped for help from Chem11, he debunked you.
You hoped Deborah could save you.
She debunked "geoengineering" trails at Tyndall.
She abandoned you in disgust.
You're not welcome at Tyndall anymore.
You went so far as to put all your currency in Jim Phelps.
He's not putting up with you either.
You thought you could abuse Ross Gelbspan's words.
He cut you off at the knees.
Your great white hope in the north was Brian Holmes.
He closed his site completely.

See a pattern here, DUMBASS?

The reasons for my engaging in a debate in a subject on which I have no proof are outlined in the article "Climate Change Jekylls and Hydes", which can be read (without links) at Megasprayer

http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=technosphere&num=1073367108&start=75

if Holmestead is off-line for the moment.

Anyone who has read the text and makes the remark that Raynolds makes is either more of a dumbass than the text's compiler or is playing dumb.

As for the rest, Raynolds has progressively less relevant knowledge about each of the names and situations in his list and hopefully this trend will continue.

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 08:00 AM

He began by casting me in the role of a lagomorph (http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225167).

Please don't misconstrue my posting. I never said you were a rabbit. To the contrary, I love rabbits. Rabbit stew, rabbit fricasse, barbecued rabbit. All these I love.

You, on the other hand, in your very first post, set a certain tone for discussion-
"the only sure cure for the disease that is Jay Reynolds is a bullet to the head"

So get over it.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 08:08 AM

Halva writes:

"Anyone who has read the text and makes the remark that Raynolds makes is either more of a dumbass than the text's compiler or is playing dumb."

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Halva,

While your paper on Jekyl and Hyde is right on in many areas, it misses in very significant areas.

For instance, you don't seem to take note that cloud seeding using commercial planes make rainfall pattern disturbances.

You don't seem to take note that the acids from the rain upset the pH of the ground and make for many toxic metals entering the food chain.

You don't seem to have a single clue on the issues of the toxicity of HF and fluorides to the human metabilsim by a similar distruption of the trace metals metabolism in humans. Fluorides make the toxic trace metals more available and the essential beneficial metals less.

You don't understand the money thing in the US is highly controlled by the US so called Shadow Govt influences that connect to big banking, big insurance, the Fed. Res, etc, etc.

You don't know how the news is controlled and how all these big money controllers manipulate the publics news and information, or how much Congresspersons are GOP and churchy followers of these methods.

You don't connect why politically things like chemtrails issues are offset to make great profits for the pharmacy and AMA interests, while at the same time making for early attrition of the baby boomers.

AND You don't connect just how corrupted the US political system has become due to some corrupted factors in religion attempting to go for a NWO process. Talking about the real history of the Jews and their games for world power is just History. For you to tag that with the term anti-semitism is to be in alliance with supporting such scams against the people of all countries of the world.

Not being able to realize or discuss those factors makes for you becoming totally compromized in the ability to relate the magnitude of the problem and raise the public's awareness. I did recently use the word "Dumb-Ass" to raise your attention to these points and to get the message across about your snipping, when I speak to these factors as they pertain to the Rothschilds greater plans.

Perhaps word processors are bright in comparison to hunt and peck mechanical typewriters, the latter of which seems to be where your current knowledge and political interactions talent levels reside.

You have a long long way to go and your sitting at the Cafe and resisting learning pertinent factors does not help you.

Perhaps someday, you need to write more inclusively of all the problems associated with chemtrails and all the interactions. Till then your appearances are rather _____ __.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 08:21 AM

if Holmestead is off-line for the moment.

Wayne, holmestead isn't off line, the entire portion which formerly promoted the "chemtrails" hoax HAS been removed, however!

Anyone who has read the text and makes the remark that Raynolds makes is either more of a dumbass than the text's compiler or is playing dumb.

Wayne, it really looks like ole Jim Phelps has you pegged when he christened you a "DUMBASS". Even Jimbo knows what Deborah means when she debunks you and the entire '"chemtrails are geoengineering" hoax.

"Dr. Cornellâ€™s point here is that â€˜laying jet contrailsâ€™ (in the upper troposphere) as a methodology to achieve a net planetary cooling effect simply will not work as it has now been conclusively determined that aviation contrails and resulting persistent contrail cirrus actually exert a net WARMING effect on the atmosphere.

Note that she is not referencing the loading of the STRATOSPHERE with particulate emissions, which is an ENTIRELY different matter.

One thing I can say here, and I think it's important to keep this in mind, is that what we are seeing is taking place in the upper troposphere - NOT in the stratosphere where the by now familiar-to-us-all Tellerian aerosol climate mitigation proposals are specifically designed to be deployed.

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 08:38 AM

WAYNE, QUIT BEING SUCH A DUMBASS AND LEARN WHAT THE REAL JIM PHELPS HAS TO SAY!!!
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:q1DsCOWaoJwJ:www.doewatch.com/antichrist.html+doewatch+antichrist&hl=en

The Anti-Christ and the A-Bomb-->A History of Religion Orientation on Prophets leading to The Rapture Factor.
By: Jim Phelps Copyright 20004
LET'S NOT QUIBBLE ABOUT DATES, SHALL WE?
Perhaps Jimbo is just a man ahead of his time?

There are some important points for consideration on the claims of the US being the moral authority of the world. It is important to look at religious belief systems to fairly consider if the US has the moral high ground. We are going to take a look at factors linked to the church that shatters church dogma to the point that the complacency of all creation is eternally shattered. When modern science is mixed with millennial old alchemy and religion some interesting data comes to the surface. Readers that proceed are guaranteed to become more dutifully enlightened.

It appears the concept of creation has been reversed and that humans created God for their convenience, not God creating humans. This concept appears to remove responsibility from the human role in outcomes. It is useful to control the masses. The concept of God stemmed from the observation of logical processes in the Old World cultures and the most significant of these concepts became symbolisms for Gods. Greek and Roman cultures made some elements and even themselves into Gods and some Egyptian and Mayan cultures made the Sun and nature into God. Moses did things around volcano effects.

The problem now is that America has inherited a 3,500 year old information virus that is deeply embedded into its basic religious operating system. This destructive religious virus has now spread to many other systems and now threatens to crash the operating system that we call the United States. This virus is common to much of the US system, and unless it is caught and corrected, it will end the political system called America. This narrative is the anti-virus detection of the virus.

Logic tells us that those of us who forget history are doomed to forever repeat the failings of man. This is one of those times and this has become very important. We need to look especially at the problem history records for the Jewish. Lets take a short review of some of these issues and how the Manhattan Project's history relates to the Jews and the Zionists. It is important to make a distinction between Zionism and Judaism, the main distinction being that most honest Jews would not live in homes taken from Arab Palestinians. The Zionists appear to have no limits for establishing and expanding the Jewish homeland and influence across the Middle East, or for holocaust type cruelty toward Arabs.

History tells us that the Hebrew people came into Egypt and gained favor with helping avoid great famines by helping the Pharos store grain. They appeared to have been a migratory people who came to settle into the lands of Egypt and then slowly became the servants and slaves to the Egyptian people, after Joseph. There came to be many legends of saviors that would come to rescue these people from captivity. Moses was taught to read and write and he learned the most secret Egyptian mining temple sciences. The legend of the savior for the Hebrews appeared to be made by the Pharos themselves in the form of Moses.

Most people know that the Torah is the Jewish Book of Law and it is also the first five chapters of the Bible. It is also called the "Pentateuch" and was written by either Moses or his biographers. Moses is best known as the member of the royal family that murdered another Egyptian, then he had to run away to keep from being killed by the Egyptians.

Moses found himself in exile in the land of Midian / Madian and relegated to the life of an animal herder for 40 years. Moses would come to look at the natural effects of the Mt. Sinai volcano and make the move to return to Egypt and free his people. This was the story of the "burning bush." Soon, Moses Exodus plans would bring his people out of Egypt to follow a Column of Fire from the volcano that God put there to light their way in the night.

The famous 1445 BC Red Sea crossing would be made at a geologic fault zone across the Gulf of Aqaba that provided a sand bar that was exposed at low tide and pressures from the atmospheric effects of the volcano. Moses knew these effects because he lived in Arabia's Midian, which was close to this area. So, Moses was able to pull off a very strategic move against the Egyptian pursuers. Moses waited for the dark of the night and the sand bar effect and sent all his peoples across the pathway and he knew the timing for the Egyptians chasing them would catch them in a re-flooding of the area and kill them.

Moses was leading a large group of uneducated former slaves across the desert and soon some symbolic legends would develop as he began to form the monotheistic Jewish Religion. Moses would come to lead them to a large split rock, which just happens to have a natural face on it, which would add to the legends. Moses would come to feed his people using a natural fertilizer effect from volcanic emissions, the manna. His people would come to use some of the metals knowledge learned from Egyptian mining temples using gold to resist the health effects of volcanic emissions, the golden calf. Moses would become upset with some using this type of Egyptian medicine to counter the volcanic effects.

Moses would come to order the building of an Ark, which was also patterned after the religious orders from Egypt. The Ark, or vessel, was patterned after Egyptian portable tabernacles and Arks carried on poles. These items appear in the archeological history as seen in King Tut's tomb. Even the golden 7 prong Menorah oil lamp was patterned after candleholders in Egypt. These would become the formal symbols for the religion of Judaism.

The Ark would come to have some special legends connected with it. It was made with well-defined dimensions and some suggest it had electrical effects. Moses was interested in forming the monotheistic religion of Judaism and he appears to have used this vessel to represent God's throne on Earth and a seat of Judgment called the "Mercy Seat." The effect of the Ark may have been the science of dissimilar metals gained from the Egyptian mining temples. It is very easy to make a high voltage battery with alternating layers of gold and silver with paper separators impregnated with acidic fruit juice.

It would have been easy to make a 500 hundred-volt battery with a lethal current inside the golden covered Ark. Archeology shows that this area knew the science of batteries millennia ago from the Baghdad Battery discovery using iron and copper with grape juice. Even battery acid or sulfuric acid is easily prepared by burning sulfur together with saltpeter, potassium nitrate, KNO3, in the presence of steam. Volcanoes make acids naturally.

The then mystical electrical power of God's Ark would have yielded Moses much power to rule with the illiterate slaves of the Exodus. The Ark was paraded around in battles and even given its own temple and kept behind veils. Today, the Ark has come up missing. Perhaps it is missing because finding it will show some deeper details of what the Ark of Moses was about. Or perhaps, it is missing due to the wrongs told about God by this old temple and has been destroyed in the temple's raid. If Judaism is shown to have been born more of deceit and treachery methods about natural order effects, than those of God, it would seriously impact Judaism, other religious belief systems, and Israel. This was the premise that Hitler based his new religion.

Moses and his people would wonder for 40 years and then come to settle in the land of Canaan, taking it from Egyptian control in 1440 BC, and this would become Israel. The legendary Ark of Moses would come to have its own temple built for it by David and Solomon in 935 BC, until the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed 374 years later in 586 BC by the Babylonians. The Ark disappears from the Biblical records just before the temple's destruction. Solomon's Seal, the interlocked triangle sign for the Jewish, would come into being under Solomon. It would become property markers for mines. Solomon would use his sea fleet parked in the Gulf of Aqaba to place stone pillar markers at the Red Sea Crossing of Moses. Temple reconstruction, or the second temple, began in 535 BC and finished in 515 BC and this one would stand 584 years until it was destroyed in 70 AD by Romans.

Another Jewish savior would come along in the person of Jesus in 0 AD. Jesus' name means "God Saves" in Hebrew. He would come to offend the Jewish Temple Mount Rabbis by going against the Torah of Moses, the Jewish Law. Jesus was from a very rich family and he was well traveled and well educated. The Temple Jews would come to allow the Romans to get rid of the person that confronted the serious problems with the beliefs in the Torah and the stories of God by Moses. Many of the teachings of the Torah and the beliefs of the old temple Jews would come to be called the antichrist. Jesus died over protesting the wrong beliefs presented in the Torah. The Pharisee wanted Jesus dead, and a lasting example made of him for others that would challenge their power and authority.

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 08:45 AM

Jim Phelps (continued)

The Jew's misleading definitions on God have been repeatedly confronted. Babylon's King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple Mount and Jerusalem the first time for failing to be truthful about God. The Jews and likely their Ark were taken to Babylon and forced into slavery, until the Persians took Babylon, then the Jews were allowed to returned to Israel and Jerusalem. The Temple was rebuilt and fell into disrespect when the Pharisee killed Jesus. The curtain between the Ark room was torn to symbolically expose the fraud and all the sacrifices essentially ended. The Romans appear to have detected the same misleading issues for God and destroyed the Temple Mount in 70 AD. This ended the Old Testament's time for the Jews. Still after all this, the fanatic Zionist parts of the Jewish belief system continued.

Islam would come into being in around 570-610 AD under the prophet Muhammad. He was born in Mecca and his name means, "highly praised." He could not read or write, but others took down his words from Allah. In 624 AD he changed Islam from prayers toward Jerusalem to praying toward Mecca. He made peace between all Muslims. As in many religious beliefs there are problems, and the issue of Islam killing all nonbelievers or "infidels" causes many problems. One-fourth of religious persons on the Earth are Islam.

Islam's prophet Muhammad was born shortly after a huge volcanic detonation in the Pacific around 535 AD that plunged the Earth into days of darkness and illnesses. Krakatoa in Indonesia affected the entire world. This effect may have raised the awareness of persons around the world to the effects noted by Noah and used by Moses. Islam believes that God delivered the Torah to Moses, but the Jew corrupted it. Similarly, they believe that God delivered the Gospel to Jesus, but the apostles distorted it. This appears to be an accurate observation. There are ways to return to the truth, despite all the problems.

In the time of Muhammad the European cultures to the North were being devastated by the Black Plague, which was killing people in large Northern European Cities, and causing much questioning of God. The Plague was transmitted by rodents and fleas, which only affected northern climes. Muhammad started Islam in these times due to being a renowned fair and honest man, who came up with the concept of there being one God that unified the Arab tribes that were killing each other over rights to water wells. Muhammad sought never to be worshiped himself, but only to be a messenger of the better ways. He began a religion that has come to be very much larger than the Christian religion. In many ways, it is a refinement and more honest version of monotheism. It is certainly in direct conflict with the nationalistic version of the God of the Jews, Moses, and the Pharisee.

Perhaps the movie character of Vendyl Jones from the movie "Indiana Jones" carries the message best when he said that "Religions are 1% poison" and if you bite into that one percent it can kill you or millions if those that buy the poison lead great wars. A more recent movie called "Matrix" identifies the fear of persons to give up even bogus dogma when referring to "Zion." The Matrix is a system, a bogus artificial reality. The Matrix presents something wrong in the world, control, a feeling like a splinter in the brain. The religion of Islam appears to have been born of the need to protect others from the blind fanaticism of the 1% poison of the Torah.

The Jewish people of Israel become masters of mining and construction in the old days. This precious metal mining was generally done in volcanic deposits that were rich in gold and other metals. The Jewish people would come to have special privilege under the Romans and European cultures in later times. They were some of the few people allowed to read and write in these times, so rulers could keep control and stave off revolts. A few Jewish people became close to the persons of royalty, rule, and privilege. They became the tax collectors and those that ran estates and managed money, the Lords and Masters. Later, they became the bankers, the operators of industries, and the makers of laws. The Jews were the only persons allowed collecting interest on money loans. They would form a sort of elite cabal, or supplanted cooperative, that was difficult for others to compete against. The prominent example of this today is the Rothchild banking empire.

We often forget that it was illegal and punishable by death to teach a non-Jew, Surfs, and poor peoples to read and write. This advantage gave the Jews many upper hands in the history of human events. It appears to have lead to the Jews telling that they were the chosen ones and superior to other humans, and calling the others terms like "Goy" and animals. In the US, we saw the same culture of controlling literacy used against the blacks of the Old South. Even in Oak Ridge's K-25 gas diffusion plant they used the illiterate black persons for the dirty janitorial work in the poison fluoride chemical factory for the bomb.

The rights of the Jews to read and write would play an essential role in the formation of Communism and the overthrow of the Czars in Russia. All the key players in the Communist revolt were Jewish. Marx, Trotsky, Lennon, and Ivan the Terrible were all Jewish. They were directly associated to the murder of the Romanov Czar and family. The Mafia in the US was largely Jewish, and of those killed at the St. Valentines massacre in Chicago, 5 of the 6 were Jews. Later, a similar Jewish based plot would result in the murder of US President John Kennedy to favor Zionism's Bomb project. LBJ, Jack Ruby, and Meyer Lansky are all pro-Israel Zionists. Lansky was the Mafia Godfather. Hollywood's Jewish dominance likes to play up Catholic Italian persons as the leaders of the Mafia, when the real case is the Mafia is dominantly Jewish in origin.

Hitler entered the Jewish history with a condemnation of the Jewish control of economies via a book written by Henry Ford. Ford spotted the Protocol of the Elders of Zion that originated in 1895, ushered in by early 1844 End-Time predictions. A book called "CONINGSBY" was written in 1844 by Jewish Benjamin Disraeli first exposed the Jews "behind the scenes" in all Governments. Hitler and his Nazi worker party read this book on how the Jewish Cabal controlled the world money. Hitler had the Ford book reprinted and distributed and this started the round up of all Jews in Hitler's realm of influence. Hitler started his own form of religion that was patterned after the Jews and the study of Egypt. These ideas came from UK's Chamberlain, a publication called "Astora," and others that dismissed the wrong ideals of God.

The plight of the Jews since the time of Jesus have been legendary, as they have been either exiled from varied countries and cities, or pushed into ghettos for their behavior extreme's. The Jews beliefs have been unacceptable all across Europe since its inception. In the Dark Ages and beyond, there is a 200 incident trail of the Jews being tossed out of varied places. Europeans appeared not to appreciate the stance of the Jews as being above all others. Their self serving stories about their God have cost them dearly and Hitler would follow suit in dealing with the same old issues. Israel would be formed from having to get the Jews, still in concentration camps in 1948, a new place to live. The European "Jewish problem" was dumped on the poor Arab Palestinians and the very same problems that plagued Europe with the Jews now highly upsets the Arab world.

Hitler and the NAZI Party likely found the embellished unfounded stories told by Moses and saw the links from Egypt. Hitler's worker party pseudo-religion had a cross, the Swastika. Hitler was the Leader / Father, the Fuhrer. Hitler made Egyptian "star metal" or steel daggers for the elite command. The German Arian people were declared the superior race. The German people were given much nationalistic ceremony to introduce them to the "Third Right" to rule the world. Hitler's political system mocked the Jews and exposed it to all Germans as being a fraud. Hitler's system used the same nationalistic pride and elitist appeal that keeps Zionism alive to this day. Hitler garnered many to his appeal with this religion-oriented system. He forgot one thing, the same Jewish system ideals that he patterned had failed in history multiple times before.

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 08:54 AM

Jim Phelps(continued)

Folks, it is very important that you read the lines below, as they summarize in detail the true intent of Jim Phelps for the Jewish people, IN HIS OWN WORDS

The Hitler and NAZI 3-rd Reich even got into the famous 1,000 years of peace that comes directly from biblical narratives. Hitler's new religion not only threatened the end of the Jewish religion, it was also the end of the Catholic religious power in Europe. The 1,000 year peace is a good idea, and essentially gets into the New World order and one-world religion themes. The only way to achieve this is via using the ultimate truth and not by methods of force. It won't be had via the US and the Zionist interests trying to pervert the entire world to the flaws in their belief systems. Those that try to force things will start Holy Wars and end the state of Zion with a World War. A 1,000 year peace won't be had via force. It can be had with laying the truth on the table.

Hitler discovered the serious problems in religion linked to the Jews by reading books like "Handbuch der Judenfrage" (Handbook of the Jewish Question) by THEODOR FRITSCH from 1897. There is a 1927 English translation called "The Riddle of the Jew's Success" by F. Roderich-Stoltheim, a Frisch pen name. It is this book that pins down the issue of two Gods, one Judaic / Pharisee and one Jesus oriented. This puts the God of the Old Testament in opposition to the God of the New Testament. It specifically notes that: "It is a fatal mistake of our theologians to regard the Jewish God as identical with the Christian. On a closer examination, Jehovah is found to be the exclusive God of Jewdom and not, at the same time, that of other men." He cites many passages from the Old Testament to demonstrate that the Covenant between Jews and their God "bears a hostile meaning for all non Jewish people." For example, "Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance and the uttermost parts of the world for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron..." (Psalms 2.8.9) Or "Thou wilt devour all nations which the Lord thy God will give thee. Thou shalt have no mercy on them...(Moses 5.7.16).

The conflict between the Judaic and Christian is that Christ represented a universal God and a universal morality. The Jews and the Pharisees, by rejecting Christ values, placed the Jewish people in perpetual opposition to the best interests of humanity, to the ultimate and inevitable path of human spiritual evolution. Christ taught that God is Love. Judaism taught the nationalistic theme that we are "Gods Chosen People." The Judaic system is also in conflict with Islam which taught the universal God and universal morality, and become one of the most highly successful religions of the world. It is totally impossible to believe in the truer concepts of God without being anti-Semitic, by definition. The Jewish Pharisees and religious beliefs are in perpetual opposition to the best interests of humanity.

[NOTE- THE TEXT BY PHELPS RUNS ANOTHER TEN PAGES
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:q1DsCOWaoJwJ:www.doewatch.com/antichrist.html+doewatch+antichrist&hl=en

Mike

01-23-2005, 09:49 AM

The "attribution" is at the bottom of the article. It may be posted or reprinted with such attribution. My youngest daughter (a Christian) works for the Rabbi and sent it along to me...
Mike

God Isn't to Blame for Asian Casualties.
December 29th, 2004

By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
President, Toward Tradition

With the final death toll in Asia yet unknown, analyzing the calamity can appear callous, especially in the light of ancient Jewish wisdomâ€™s advice to refrain from even comforting mourners whose dead still lie before them, let alone analyzing their loss. Still, once we have, in some human way, associated ourselves with the disaster by means of financial or other contribution, we surely are obliged to try and learn something from it. Sometimes before the answers can be found, the right questions must be asked and there are certainly questions well worth asking. However it is as well not to be distracted by the wrong questions.

"What sort of God would have let this happen?â€ is one example of the wrong question. Firstly, it is a perfect example of narcissism. The questioners, including one columnist from The Guardian, convert an international human tragedy of mind-staggering proportions into a maudlin expression of their own spiritual angst. This question escalates self-indulgence to new heights of obnoxiousness.

It reminds me of the older man sitting in the next seat during a certain memorable flight I took back in 1980. As the flight attendants graciously served my special kosher meal, he began a conversation. â€œI am also Jewishâ€ he unnecessarily informed me, as he tucked into his bacon omelet. I responded politely and he resumed. â€œI used to keep kosher but after Hitler, I could no longer believe in God.â€

â€œAnd do you by any chance remember how old you were when you first abandoned Jewish religious observance?â€ I innocently asked. â€œSure, I remember, it was my eighteenth birthday and I walked into a non-kosher restaurant for the first time.â€

Later as our flight neared its destination, we exchanged further personal and family details. In response to another question of mine, he revealed that he was sixty-five years old. The arithmetic wasnâ€™t hard to do. As we touched down, I leaned over and gently said, â€œLook, I donâ€™t mean any offense but you didnâ€™t abandon Judaism as a result of God allowing the Holocaust. You entered that restaurant in 1933, well before World War II began. Hitler and his Holocaust merely provided you with the excuse you needed to feel comfortable abandoning your faith.â€

To find the same comfort, those who shape their lives according to the doctrines of secular fundamentalism, take an evident delight in stating the usual â€œWhere is God now?â€ questions after tragedies, especially those natural ones like earthquakes that canâ€™t be blamed on human actions.

While the casualties canâ€™t be blamed on human actions, many of them can certainly be blamed on human inactions. Look, I know that it is nowadays considered distasteful to attribute any complicity in a problem to the victim. It is as if being a victim today, automatically confers moral virtue, but being that delicate can cost us truth. The simple truth is that American seismological specialists in Pasadena, California, and elsewhere were horrified that no warning systems are in place in these Asian countries by means of which residents can be alerted. Remember that there were several hours of warning available. â€œA warning centre such as those used around the Pacific could have saved most of the thousands of people who died in Asia's earthquake and tsunamisâ€ said the US Geological Survey. Many lives could surely have been saved. Some countries have pleaded poverty, but that is not an adequate explanation. We are not talking rocket science here. We are talking about sirens on poles. Remember them from the cold war era? This is World War I technology and very inexpensive.

In 1953, nearly two thousand Dutchmen drowned when the North Sea breached a dyke and flooded part of low-lying Holland. Within a few years they had commenced the worldâ€™s largest civil engineering project and Holland has never flooded significantly since. Sadly, this is far from the first time that some of these nations have faced natural disasters in which people died by the tens of thousands as the result of monsoons, typhoons, flooding, and earthquakes. Yet few warning systems exist, let alone seawalls and evacuation routes.

On December 26th, 2003, over 30,000 victims perished in the Iranian earthquake in the town of Bam. To explain the vast death toll inflicted by an earthquake no stronger than that which struck the Californian town of Paso Robles within a few days, Iranian authorities pleaded poverty. It costs considerably more to engineer large-scale nuclear capability as Iran has done, than it costs to retro-fit buildings for safety in an earthquake-prone zone. The problem is not poverty, it is priority.

Here in the United States, the standard bearer of western civilization, we have two cultural imperatives imbedded deeply within our national DNA. Both flow from the Bible with which our founders were intimately familiar and by means of which they sculpted their world views.

Our first distinctive cultural imperative is to render ourselves less vulnerable to nature. We believed we were following Divine will when we developed medicine and medical technology to dominate disease. We found insecticides to protect our food supply, and we built dams to control rivers. We took seriously the commandment in the twenty-eighth verse of the Bible, â€œAnd God blessed them (Adam and Eve) saying â€˜Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it.â€™ â€ We never understood â€œsubdue the worldâ€ to mean obliterate nature, or otherwise despoil the environment. We knew it meant responsible stewardship and making ourselves less vulnerable to nature which is not always benign. We knew we were pleasing God by making ourselves safer and more secure and this knowledge lent added urgency and meaning to our efforts which then seemed to be blessed. Not by coincidence did the overwhelming majority of these scientific and technical developments take place in the west.
Western civilizationâ€™s second distinctive cultural imperative is the importance of preserving human life. This too derives directly from our Biblical roots and distinguishes us from the peculiar fatalism toward death found in so many other cultures.

Together, these two values enshrined in the west in general and in America in particular, are chiefly responsible for the vastly diminished impact that natural disasters inflict upon our society.

God runs this world with as little supernatural interference as possible. Earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, and yes, tsunamis happen. It is called nature, which is not benign. Fortunately God also gave us intelligence and commanded us to make ourselves less vulnerable to nature. He also implanted in us a culture in which each and every life is really important. That is why Deuteronomy chapter thirty states, â€œI call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live.â€

God may have allowed the earthquake to happen, just as he has allowed germs to exist and just as he has allowed cold weather each winter. However under the influence of Biblical culture, people have defended themselves against germs and they have learned how to produce energy to defeat winterâ€™s frigid conditions. A long time ago, in His book, God provided the incentive and encouragement to survive nature. He isnâ€™t to blame for the deaths in the Asian disaster. Many of the deaths are attributable to slowness in adopting the western values that promote technical and economic development along with profound respect for each human life.

Radio talk show host, Rabbi Daniel Lapin,
is president of Toward Tradition,
a bridge-building organization
providing a voice for all Americans
who defend the Judeo-Christian values
vital for our nationâ€™s survival

halva

01-23-2005, 12:03 PM

Halva,

While your paper on Jekyl and Hyde is right on in many areas, it misses in very significant areas.

For instance, you don't seem to take note that cloud seeding using commercial planes make rainfall pattern disturbances.

I thought I had mentioned that, either in 'Jekyll and Hyde' or in my previous article 'Strategies against Climate Change'.

You don't seem to take note that the acids from the rain upset the pH of the ground and make for many toxic metals entering the food chain.

There is a member of our e-mail network who is a medical doctor and who has written extensively on that subject.

You don't seem to have a single clue on the issues of the toxicity of HF and fluorides to the human metabilsim by a similar distruption of the trace metals metabolism in humans. Fluorides make the toxic trace metals more available and the essential beneficial metals less.

Ditto. I don't know about fluorides, but in general anything related to subjects such as this is surely best left to specialists who have the relevant training. You have seen the kinds of things I write about. That is what I CAN write about.

You don't understand the money thing in the US is highly controlled by the US so called Shadow Govt influences that connect to big banking, big insurance, the Fed. Res, etc, etc.

Mike Ruppert and many others concern themselves with such matters. The reason that you yourself would not be invited to participate in any projected on-line or real-world discussion circle of 'chemmies' and climate scientists is because you cannot remain on-topic and want to digress into other political matters without yourself being an effective politician. You cannot delegate.

You don't know how the news is controlled and how all these big money controllers manipulate the publics news and information, or how much Congresspersons are GOP and churchy followers of these methods.

I do, and you will note that in 'Jekyll and Hyde' I propose a strategy for beginning to attempt to deal with the problem of politicians and of middlemen and 'media' (the same thing).

You don't connect why politically things like chemtrails issues are offset to make great profits for the pharmacy and AMA interests, while at the same time making for early attrition of the baby boomers.

Once again, there is no reason for me to deal with such issues when others can do so.

AND You don't connect just how corrupted the US political system has become due to some corrupted factors in religion attempting to go for a NWO process. Talking about the real history of the Jews and their games for world power is just History. For you to tag that with the term anti-semitism is to be in alliance with supporting such scams against the people of all countries of the world.

It isn't. You have a bee in your bonnet about Jews and it doesn't make you either more intelligent or more effective.

Not being able to realize or discuss those factors makes for you becoming totally compromized in the ability to relate the magnitude of the problem and raise the public's awareness. I did recently use the word "Dumb-Ass" to raise your attention to these points and to get the message across about your snipping, when I speak to these factors as they pertain to the Rothschilds greater plans.

Perhaps word processors are bright in comparison to hunt and peck mechanical typewriters, the latter of which seems to be where your current knowledge and political interactions talent levels reside.

You have a long long way to go and your sitting at the Cafe and resisting learning pertinent factors does not help you.

This cafe metaphor seems to have appealed to your imagination. I said before that I don't think this thread is a suitable educational environment. Certainly it is not very educational to spend time writing answers such as this.

Perhaps someday, you need to write more inclusively of all the problems associated with chemtrails and all the interactions. Till then your appearances are rather _____ __.

I think all in all you are right. I am planning gradually to reduce my presence here, and to ignore-list more systematically.

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 02:53 PM

The reason that you yourself would not be invited to participate in any projected on-line or real-world discussion circle of 'chemmies' and climate scientists is because you cannot remain on-topic and want to digress into other political matters without yourself being an effective politician. You cannot delegate. I am planning gradually to reduce my presence here, and to ignore-list more systematically.

Wayne, you are being very insulting to Jim Phelps. His appearance here saved your ass many times.
Politics is the art of telling lies.

Don't be ordering Jim Phelps to tell lies, Wayne.

Let the man speak his own mind for himself.

He doesn't need YOU to speak for him!

And as far as ignore-listing Jim Phelps, you do so at your own peril.

For months now I've been trying to get you to NOT ignore what he has been saying.
NOW you see what ignoring the "JIM PHELPS QUESTION" has gotten you into!

Just today I posted material from his website which is IMPERATIVE that you understand fully to get an idea of what Jim Phelps really has on his mind.

YOU SEEM TO HAVE ALREADY IGNORE-LISTED WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAYS!

whitemajikman

01-23-2005, 03:13 PM

You say the war is over because you get an apology from one deadshit and some patronising indulgence from a creep.

Whitemajikman tried to apologize to me after his Greenpeace Greece catastrophe. I didn't accept it, and this latest incident confirms that apologies from these dregs mean nothing.

Also Raynolds still does not apologize for claiming for a year at least that you are Lance Haubrick.

You can be won over very easily Gaiacomm.

And after that you get banned anyway.

As if you were the only dispenser of anti-semitic drek, and is if that is the worst kind of drek.

After what looked like your victory over two junior debunkers I was beginning to think it might not be unsafe to sound you out in relation to real-world activity, following in the logic of the seminar last year you failed to attend.

But you remain altogether too shadowy an entity to be in receipt of invitations of thÃ*t kind.

As does everyone on this thread, now that Footsoldier has started her own thread.

Wayne your memory must be going .......

I apologized to you for debunking your claims that you were well respected among Greenpeace in Greece....

When I called GreenPeace in Greece ...........They Exclaimed Wayne Hall ?.......Who is Wayne Hall.....?

When I asked them What they thought of Chemtrails and Geo-engineering.......They explained that Making Rain is not a NEW Technology........And That Chemtrails are normal Contrails.........

And anyone who thought otherwise should report to a Psychiatrist........They Were Talking about WAYNE of course.

Anyone who disbelieves what I am Saying can go thru the first 200 pages .....Its All right there......for anyone to see.......

WMM

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 05:58 PM

Wanna see a slick little chemmie lie? If there was any doubt that
this Brian Holmes knows what sort of hoax he is running, this ends it.

"Points to Ponder: Commercial pilots and others
provide a high altitude view of aircraft plumes.
23 January 2005
The level of interest from all over the World in this page since it first went online a few days ago has been incredible.
The modest server facilities of Holmestead.ca were greatly overloaded and the server crashed.
As a result we regret that this page is no longer available in the original form.

For many images similar to the ones originally offered here we suggest: Airliners.net
For example - a few specific pages:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/684854/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/556245/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/425455/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/680392/M/
And to search for other possible related images:
Airliners.net Search

What sort of server does he have that just crashes all the chemtrail portion of a website, yet leaves the balance online? Doesn't sound like acrash at all, sounds like he deleted the pages himself.

Folks, what Brian Holmes tells you today is distinctly different from the story he had to tell you last week. His story last week was that someone named "Haik" took all the pictures he now has linked. Holmes even showed the camera that supposedly took the pictures.

NOW, Holmes says he is showing you pictures "SIMILAR TO THE ONES ORIGINALLY OFFERED HERE".

People, the photos at airliners.net are IDENTICAL to the ones Holmes said last week were taken by "Haik". They are IDENTICAL because they they were ORIGINALLY OFFERED AND RIPPED OFF THE AIRLINERS.NET WEBSITE!
He knows it was all a hoax.
Rather than just admit he had been taken in, Holmes has decided to become-guess what?
Big Surprise, a LIAR!

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 06:15 PM

Perhaps the Rabbi can rationalize this one for everyone:

http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm

Why did Hitler invade Poland ?

WW 2 was started over the Danzig corridor which was part of Germany until the
Versailles treaty gave it to Poland

1918 Versailles Treaty

The post WW 1 Treaty decimated Germany - causing a depression enabling Jews
to buy up vast amounts of German industry and left Germans bitter.

International Jewry ,who represented 80% of those attending the Versailles
treaty forced Germany to give a portion of their country ( Danzig Corridor ) to
Poland.
Edward House( right ) was Jewry's lead man a Rothschild employee who
previously helped form the Fed Res.

1937
Hitler was pleading with Poland to give Germany a 1 mile access to their
providence of East Prussia . Both parties were in agreement when in 1939 Poland
suddenly broke off all negotiations.

1938
Roosevelt gave Churchill assurances that the USA would be brought into war
against Germany.

March 31,1939
Britain and France guarantee Poland's defense.

They secretly made a pact with Poland to come to their defense if Germany
attacked.

Poland threatens war

Emboldened by Roosevelt and Churchill guarantees Rydz Smigly and Ignacy
Moscicki , the head of Poland's army and it's president were saber rattling .

Smigly said -- "Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able
to avoid it even if she wants to." He threatened to overrun Germany in three
days.

The 1939 Danzig Massacres

The Polish Bolsheviks kill 58,000 German Nationals in the Danzig corridor

In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and
independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig
corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) by
both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who were confident that Poland would
quickly defeat Germany. Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms
and businesses. An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the
massacres carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least
as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close
of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these
atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland.

Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens
of times with no results.

Bromberg Bloody Sunday

On one day alone - Polish Jews, under the protection of the Polish Army,
attack a small German town and viciously kill 5500 Germans

On 'Bloody Sunday' 5500 Germans were murdered:

The "Bromberg Bloody Sunday" is perhaps best known. Polish Jews were
confident they would win against Germany and went on a rampage of ' Blood Lust ' that
was unmatched. Groups of Bolsheviks attacked from Ponz, Lotz and Warsaw
approached the town and started killing the farmers on the outskirts. Children were
nailed to barns, women were raped and hacked to death with axes men were
executed where they stood.

Bolshevik leaders of the Ponz, Warsaw and Lodz Jewish groups

On Bromberg Bloody Sunday, thousands of ethnic Germans were slaughtered like
pigs in an alley because the majority "poles" (the "slavic", non-Teutonic
types, really Turco-Ugaric, Hunnic, Tartar and Mongoloid residue from the old
"Dark Age" invasions) knew they could do so with total impunity.

Who benefits

The 5 ' 6 " Jewish Stalin and Bolsheviks now have their war and British,
French, American, Canadian, etc blood will be spilt all over Europe to decimate
Germany and open the world to the Jewish swindle called communism.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 06:18 PM

Then add on these issues:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=
293295695#Post293295695

THE JEWS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY (IN 1933).

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of
German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express
on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war
against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war
against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his
stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in
order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express,
March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this
sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no
goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or
shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or
shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their
senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends."
- Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933.
Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

"Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard
Baruch, at the same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany.
'I emphasised that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from
world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign
commerce in both volume and profit.'" - "Baruch, The Public Years," by Bernard
M. Baruch, p.347.

Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson
and Roosevelt.
Bernard Baruch was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

"This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined
on, a 'holy war'. This war was to be carried out against Germany to its
conclusion, to her destruction" (Diese ErklÃ¤rung nannte den Krieg gegen Deutschland,
der nun beschlossen sei, einen heiligen Krieg. Dieser Krieg mÃ¼sse gegen
Deutschland bis zu dessen Ende, bis zu dessen Vernichtung, gefÃ¼hrt werden). - Dr.
Franz J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands.

"War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the
U.S. Treasury, Hearst Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot"
by B. Jenson, p. 11).

"For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish
community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the
world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general
value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against
Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost
territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of
Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us
Jews." - Vladimir Jabotinsky (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai
Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also quoted in "Histoire de l'ArmÃ©e
Allemande" by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him,
not this year, but soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also
quoted in his book "The New Holy Alliance").

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National
Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by
Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold
Leese, page 52).

"We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers,
sailors, and airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in
Niemals! by Heinrich Goitsch.

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political
pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power,
and we know how to apply it." - Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin,
July 27, 1935.

"Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and
the U.S.A will be formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to
their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, "La Vie de Tanger" May 15, 1938.

On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in
the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that
these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph
Trimble, the American Hebrew.

"Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war
without mercy against her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!" -
Bernard Lecache, the president of the "International League Against Racism and
Anti-Semitism," in its newspaper "Droit de Vivre" (Right to Life), 9 November,
1938.

"The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony
throughout the world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York
Tribune, March 29, 1939.

"I wish to confirm in the most explicit manner, the declaration which I and
my colleagues made during the last months, and especially in the last week:
that the Jews "stand by Great Britain and will fight on the side of the
democracies." Our urgent desire is to give effect to these declarations. We wish to do
so in a way entirely consonant with the general scheme of British action, and
therefore would place ourselves, in matters big and small, under the
co-ordinating direction of His Majesty's Government. The Jewish Agency is ready to
enter into immediate arrangements for utilizing Jewish manpower, technical
ability, resources, etc." - Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress,
Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of Israel, the London Times,
September 5, 1939, and the London Jewish Chronicle, September 8, 1939.

"The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and
South Africa, and, not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the
war of annihilation against Germany to its final end." - Central Blad Voor
Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939.

"Stop talking about peace conditions! Break Germany in pieces!" - The Daily
Herald, No.7426, 9 December, 1939.

"The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war." - The Daily
Herald, No.7450, 1939, quoted in "Reichstagsbrand, AufklÃ¤rung einer historischen
Legende," by U. Backes, K.H. JanÃŸen, E. Jesse, H. KÃ¶hler, H. Mommsen, E Tobias.

"Even if we Jews are not physically at your side in the trenches, we are
morally with you. This war is our war and you fight it with us." - Schalom Asch,
Les Nouvelles Litterairres, February 10, 1940.

"In losing Germany, Jewry lost a territory from which it exerted power.
Therefore it was determined to re-conquer it." - Louis Marschalko, "The World
Conquerors : The Real War Criminals."

"The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years." -
Rabbi M. Perlzweig (head of the British Section of the World Jewish Congress),
Toronto Evening Telegram, February 26, 1940.

"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of
Judaism." - Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

"We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war
and that it is waged for the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts
together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not only giving this war our
financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not only
providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war
going. The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy
forces, on destroying them in their own country, within the resistance. And we
are the Trojan horses in the enemy's fortress. Thousands of Jews living in
Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of our enemy. There, our
front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann,
President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later
President of Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.

"Played golf with Joe Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Britain). He says that
Chamberlain stated that America and world Jewry forced England into World War II."
- James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy (later Secretary of Defense), Diary,
December 27, 1945 entry.

"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was
wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or
working for Jewish interests. Nor had I ever wished that after the appalling
first World War, there would ever be a second against either England or
America." - Adolf Hitler, April, 1945.

The joke doing the rounds of the British Union of Fascists at this time was
that the Jewish national anthem was, 'Onward Christian Soldiers.'

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 06:28 PM

The Holmstead site likely did experience an overload. Their new piece about the "Pilot's View" hit the News lister in Rense.com and many of the other million plus hits a day sites. Plus, it is on CTC and other sites. That can send a web page well over a million hits a day.

Chemtrails are a very popular topic and when they get listed in these news sites the servers can easily go well over their alloted bandwidths and shut down.

I can always tell when one of these sites picks up an item on my web page---because one of the page counters will just go wild with counts for a week.

Pretty simple.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-23-2005, 07:46 PM

The Holmstead site likely did experience an overload.
Pretty simple.

Yes, Holmes overloaded when the truth hit them that they had been lied to about the source of the copyrighted pictures they falsely claimed were taken by a nonexistant "fedex pilot named Haik". The facts show exactly what happened. Holmes can fool some people, no doubt, but plenty saw what really happened. Bria Holmes is a bold faced liar. I personally promise him I won't let him live it down, you can deliver THAT message to him, Jimbo.

The exposure of the hoax should have resulted in an apology and a retraction.
An honest man has nothing to lose when he corrects errors.
A dishonest man loses when he tries to cover them up.

Dan Rather and four others lost their jobs at CBS for just such an occurrance.
Public outcry was swift and certain. Even fellow journalists wouldn't tolerate such behavior.

You chemmies rant about how the media lies and is controlled, yet allow Brian Holmes to lie about how he got hoaxed, and then lie about airliners.net having "similar" pictures?

Jimbo, if there was any doubt about whether or not you are willing to lie and let others lie to support this failing hoax, this puts an end to the question.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-23-2005, 07:57 PM

Ahh put a sock in it rabbit breath. Go help Yaak cure his athlets foot, cause I hear fungus spread to his mouth---and you all can cure him the natural way. Yeehaww.

IMHO,
is

halva

01-23-2005, 08:13 PM

halva

01-23-2005, 08:20 PM

You chemmies rant about how the media lies and is controlled, yet allow Brian Holmes to lie about how he got hoaxed, and then lie about airliners.net having "similar" pictures?

Raynolds I thought your story was that Brian Holmes took his site off-air because of something you wanted to blame me for.

Raynolds, is Gaiacomm Lance Haubrick?

You will ignore this question.

And the moderators here at Arianna's remove Gaiacomm, not you.

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 04:30 AM

Jim Phelps(continued)

Folks, it is very important that you read the lines below, as they summarize in detail the true intent of Jim Phelps for the Jewish people, IN HIS OWN WORDS
What you will find is that Jimbo's religious ideas coincide IDENTICALLY with those of NAZIs regarding what they call "THE JEWISH QUESTION"

Hitler discovered the serious problems in religion linked to the Jews by reading books like "Handbuch der Judenfrage" (Handbook of the Jewish Question) by THEODOR FRITSCH from 1897. There is a 1927 English translation called "The Riddle of the Jew's Success" by F. Roderich-Stoltheim, a Frisch pen name. It is this book that pins down the issue of two Gods, one Judaic / Pharisee and one Jesus oriented. This puts the God of the Old Testament in opposition to the God of the New Testament. It specifically notes that: "It is a fatal mistake of our theologians to regard the Jewish God as identical with the Christian. On a closer examination, Jehovah is found to be the exclusive God of Jewdom and not, at the same time, that of other men." He cites many passages from the Old Testament to demonstrate that the Covenant between Jews and their God "bears a hostile meaning for all non Jewish people." For example, "Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance and the uttermost parts of the world for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron..." (Psalms 2.8.9) Or "Thou wilt devour all nations which the Lord thy God will give thee. Thou shalt have no mercy on them...(Moses 5.7.16).

The conflict between the Judaic and Christian is that Christ represented a universal God and a universal morality. The Jews and the Pharisees, by rejecting Christ values, placed the Jewish people in perpetual opposition to the best interests of humanity, to the ultimate and inevitable path of human spiritual evolution. Christ taught that God is Love. Judaism taught the nationalistic theme that we are "Gods Chosen People." The Judaic system is also in conflict with Islam which taught the universal God and universal morality, and become one of the most highly successful religions of the world. It is totally impossible to believe in the truer concepts of God without being anti-Semitic, by definition. The Jewish Pharisees and religious beliefs are in perpetual opposition to the best interests of humanity.[/b]
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:q1DsCOWaoJwJ:www.doewatch.com/antichrist.html+doewatch+antichrist&hl=en

Jim Phelps is telling you that there is a final solution to the "JEWISH QUESTION". He might sometimes attempt to make it seem like he's only speaking about "Zionists" or "international bankers", but the bottom line is to be found in his closing passage, which is EXACTLY the same idea which precipitated the holocaust. Don't believe me? Compare his ideas to those below

"FRITSCH, THEODOR (1852-1934) Radical antisemitic writer and mystic who has been called "the most influential German anti-Semite before Hitler." Fritsch's racist writings greatly influenced Hitler from an early age. Fritsch's most popular and influential book Handbuch der Judenfrage (Handbook of the Jewish Question) went through dozens of printings, and after Hitler came to power, it became officially sanctioned reading in the schools of Germany."
http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/bios_f.htm
http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/history_wing/antisemitism/primary_resources/documents.cfm#Fritsch
http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/julius-streicher.shtml
http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/final-solution.shtml
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:uO3aSHU7fBcJ:www.thirdreich.net/Goering_Bio_Anno.html+%22jewish+question%22+fritsc h&hl=en

"Another of Hitler's[Jim Phelp's] favorites was Handbuch der Judenfraage [ Handbook of the Jewish Question], by Theodor Fritsch. Fritsch believed that the Jews allied themselves with Catholics, Freemasons, and Jehovah's Witnesses and they were scheming for world domination. The Jews were sneaky and evil and they were out to debase and destroy German culture. To "prove" his theory, Fritsch compiled lists of Jews that had committed crimes in the previous century.

Adolf Hitler{Jim Phelps] considered this to be his spiritual awakening. The troubled, miserable young man was finally supplied with answers for all of his failures and woes. He[Jim Phelps] was searching for someone to blame; anyone but himself, and into his lap fell the "great Jewish conspiracy" which is constantly working to destroy the Aryan race. He[Jim Phelps] claimed that he began to see the world in a new light, and he now saw things the way they really were. No longer was anything Hitler's[Jim Phelp's] fault, whatever happened was the fault of the Jews and those who conspired with them. Despite his new lease on life, Hitler's[Jim Phelps] own troubles were far from over.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:TsnJWL9qqE8J:www.adolfhitler.ws/lib/nsdap/Hess.html+%22jewish+question%22+fritsch&hl=en

halva

01-24-2005, 04:44 AM

Countdown to global catastrophe
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=603975

Climate change: report warns point of no return may be reached in 10 years, leading to droughts, agricultural failure and water shortages

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor

24 January 2005

The global warming danger threshold for the world is clearly marked for the first time in an international report to be published tomorrow - and the bad news is, the world has nearly reached it already.

The countdown to climate-change catastrophe is spelt out by a task force of senior politicians, business leaders and academics from around the world - and it is remarkably brief. In as little as 10 years, or even less, their report indicates, the point of no return with global warming may have been reached.

The report, Meeting The Climate Challenge, is aimed at policymakers in every country, from national leaders down. It has been timed to coincide with Tony Blair's promised efforts to advance climate change policy in 2005 as chairman of both the G8 group of rich countries and the European Union.

And it breaks new ground by putting a figure - for the first time in such a high-level document - on the danger point of global warming, that is, the temperature rise beyond which the world would be irretrievably committed to disastrous changes. These could include widespread agricultural failure, water shortages and major droughts, increased disease, sea-level rise and the death of forests - with the added possibility of abrupt catastrophic events such as "runaway" global warming, the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, or the switching-off of the Gulf Stream.

The report says this point will be two degrees centigrade above the average world temperature prevailing in 1750 before the industrial revolution, when human activities - mainly the production of waste gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), which retain the sun's heat in the atmosphere - first started to affect the climate. But it points out that global average temperature has already risen by 0.8 degrees since then, with more rises already in the pipeline - so the world has little more than a single degree of temperature latitude before the crucial point is reached.

More ominously still, it assesses the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere after which the two-degree rise will become inevitable, and says it will be 400 parts per million by volume (ppm) of CO2.

The current level is 379ppm, and rising by more than 2ppm annually - so it is likely that the vital 400ppm threshold will be crossed in just 10 years' time, or even less (although the two-degree temperature rise might take longer to come into effect).

"There is an ecological timebomb ticking away," said Stephen Byers, the former transport secretary, who co-chaired the task force that produced the report with the US Republican senator Olympia Snowe. It was assembled by the Institute for Public Policy Research in the UK, the Centre for American Progress in the US, and The Australia Institute.The group's chief scientific adviser is Dr Rakendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change.

The report urges all the G8 countries to agree to generate a quarter of their electricity from renewable sources by 2025, and to double their research spending on low-carbon energy technologies by 2010. It also calls on the G8 to form a climate group with leading developing nations such as India and China, which have big and growing CO2 emissions.

"What this underscores is that it's what we invest in now and in the next 20 years that will deliver a stable climate, not what we do in the middle of the century or later," said Tom Burke, a former government adviser on green issues who now advises business.

The report starkly spells out the likely consequences of exceeding the threshold. "Beyond the 2 degrees C level, the risks to human societies and ecosystems grow significantly," it says.

"It is likely, for example, that average-temperature increases larger than this will entail substantial agricultural losses, greatly increased numbers of people at risk of water shortages, and widespread adverse health impacts. [They] could also imperil a very high proportion of the world's coral reefs and cause irreversible damage to important terrestrial ecosystems, including the Amazon rainforest."

It goes on: "Above the 2 degrees level, the risks of abrupt, accelerated, or runaway climate change also increase. The possibilities include reaching climatic tipping points leading, for example, to the loss of the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets (which, between them, could raise sea level more than 10 metres over the space of a few centuries), the shutdown of the thermohaline ocean circulation (and, with it, the Gulf Stream), and the transformation of the planet's forests and soils from a net sink of carbon to a net source of carbon."

24 January 2005 14:22

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 05:17 AM

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 05:37 AM

Raynolds I thought your story was that Brian Holmes took his site off-air because of something you wanted to blame me for.

Hey, Wayne. Don't argue with ME.
The guy you need to argue with is my debunker buddy Chem11.

"The Holmestead site is back up, albeit in a very different form:

"The level of interest from all over the World in this page since it first went online a few days ago has been incredible.

The modest server facilities of Holmestead.ca were greatly overloaded and the server crashed.

As a result we regret that this page is no longer available in the original form."

There follows only links to Airliners.net (and no mention of Ziyad Haik). Rense's link to the page also includes the following: "Note: This site appears to be down often due to high number of hits".

A high number hits can overload a server with a Denial of Service, but it can't recode your website for you or attempt to sweep an unpleasant truth under the rug.

I have the utmost respect for Brian Holmes and his efforts, which is why when he tells me that a photograph was taken by a Fed-Ex pilot, I believe him (until Airliners.net says otherwise, anyway).

It's not Brian's fault that some POS ripped the photos and lied about their origins, and the photos speak for themselves. He should be very clear about what actually happened, and so should Rense and Coast to Coast.
http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=Discussion&action=display&num=1105495181
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Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 06:07 AM

I find it very interesting when ole "Gaia," the Mason, suddenly gets vendicated for being Judah, the Hebrew, that he starts playing God in the form of the imagery of OZ.

The Wizzard of OZ story is all about man playing god, so as to control men. It is a version of the Jewish version of god, created by men for man's conveniences.

Then suddenly, when Gaia's Masonic dreams for a Coup came into view, he was banned in an instant. Toto pulled back the curtains on Gaia and all that was seen was a Mason, playing with ORNL's big inventions from the 80's, and their dreams suddenly came to an end as people woke up.

Guess that means Masons need to stop playing God, and so should the Jews. Masons need to stop worshiping Solomon's Temple, cause that is the way of the anti-Christ. Solomon's Temple was all about gold and how to control men to get that Gold for the Chosen People. The Yellow Brick road to Oz was all about the methods Solomon chose to get that Gold, which works until the people wake up from the dream imposed upon them from Solomon's religion.

I just wonder how swift these other folks that attempt to distort God's definition, truth, and vision will disappear.

They appear to be loosing rapidly and screaming louder as they fall into the pits of hell. Gaia chose the road to perdition.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 06:46 AM

Now why on the world would someone want to get onto Brian because he seems to have been tricked by someone with some really nice dramatic photos of jet chemtrails.

They certainly did gain lots of attention. Still are.

But, then just before this we have Jay Reynolds bragging about his next big trick.
And suddenly Jay Reynods finds all these photos exact URL's on this other photo page.

Why in the world would anyone want to blame Brian, when the real blame likely goes on someone like Reynolds or Reynolds mob, or Reynolds himself. He appears really quick to both blame Brain and even more quick to know exactly where all those photos appear on other site. Looked to be prepared in advance.

One of Reynolds gang with all their internet spoofing tools and other methods of deceit appear the real culprits here. It has their fingerprints all over it.

The last time I stood behind a jet engine, I was covered with all kinds of noxious odors that required me to go take a bath and wash my clothes. It was not just water coming out of the Jet engine. It was all the same stinky smelly mess that comes from a diesel engine. Even all those sooty particles that kill immune systems. Even if the engines run pure hydrogen, one still gets NOx products.

Just like Contrails are Reynold's convenient misnomer for what are actually chemtrails from jet engines that go on to complex with acids in the air. So, are Reynolds attempts to blame someone for the Con-games he is playing.

"Chemtrail" is the better desriptive word for what is going on with the Jet trail catalytic grafitti in the skies of the globe, and Con game is the better explanation for the scam on Brian.

Who was screaming the loudest? Toto always finds the little stupid men hiding behind the curtain trying to play God. It is especially so, when the little men are trying to make the pile of gold a little larger and using their version of god to fool the others.

Age old investigative tools. Who had the most to gain. Who was bragging about the tricks. Who was misleading the loudest. Who had the interest and opportunity. This leads to the prime suspect. All the fingers point in one direction---180 degrees away from Brian.

Reynolds is well along the road to perdition about as seriously as anyone I have ever seen.
I understand the pits of hell incinerate those that deceive others for money. Do report back occasionally as you sink into the doom of the hot abyss.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 07:04 AM

Manmade global warming's signature

http://rense.com/general62/gla.htm

USGS Pics Show Horrific
Glacier Meltdown In Alaska

The Shadow

01-24-2005, 07:14 AM

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=227198

Now why on the world would someone want to get onto Brian because he seems to have been tricked by someone with some really nice dramatic photos of jet chemtrails.

They certainly did gain lots of attention. Still are.

But, then just before this we have Jay Reynolds bragging about his next big trick.
And suddenly Jay Reynods finds all these photos exact URL's on this other photo page.

Why in the world would anyone want to blame Brian, when the real blame likely goes on someone like Reynolds or Reynolds mob, or Reynolds himself. He appears really quick to both blame Brain and even more quick to know exactly where all those photos appear on other site. Looked to be prepared in advance.

One of Reynolds gang with all their internet spoofing tools and other methods of deceit appear the real culprits here. It has their fingerprints all over it.

The last time I stood behind a jet engine, I was covered with all kinds of noxious odors that required me to go take a bath and wash my clothes. It was not just water coming out of the Jet engine. It was all the same stinky smelly mess that comes from a diesel engine. Even all those sooty particles that kill immune systems. Even if the engines run pure hydrogen, one still gets NOx products.

Just like Contrails are Reynold's convenient misnomer for what are actually chemtrails from jet engines that go on to complex with acids in the air. So, are Reynolds attempts to blame someone for the Con-games he is playing.

"Chemtrail" is the better desriptive word for what is going on with the Jet trail catalytic grafitti in the skies of the globe, and Con game is the better explanation for the scam on Brian.

Who was screaming the loudest? Toto always finds the little stupid men hiding behind the curtain trying to play God.

IMHO,
is

The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of Jay Reynolds... The weeds of crime bear bitter fruit...

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 09:30 AM

Ahhh----now we have chemicals coming out of a jet engine.

Many thanks for pointing out Reynolds is spreading bunk.

Anyone that has ever seen a B-1 take off knows it disappears in a huge black cloud as it gets down toward the end of the runway---and a huge black trail follows it into the sky. Jet engines leave chemical trails, aka chemtrails, by defintion.

Now, do you know the old fashion cure for athletes foot?

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 11:16 AM

Simon Steward of Chile writes:

""Jay, can I have the pleasure on this one? Please? IT just seems to me that someone who claims to be a chemist yet does not comprehend the simple chemical conversio that takes place when one burns hydrogencarbons in an oxgen atmosphere, has just GOT to be a fraud.

I mean, any high school science student can tell you that when you burn something containing hydrogen in an oxygen-rich atmosphere, you get water.

In fact, any qualified jet airplane mechanic will tell you that for every pound of fuel that you burn in a jet engine, you get about one and a half pound of water vapor.

How could a chemist not know this?""

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Well---guess we have some more morons about, way down in Chile doing pseudo science of dim wits. The atmosphere is nitrogen rich, not oxygen rich. It is 75 % nitrogen.

Which means when you burn anything in a hot flame you get NOx compounds and not just simple water. The nitrogen compound pollution comes from the air.

I guess this means Allsops is somewhere down there way under chemist, and way way under a mechanic. Cause I bet even a mechanic knows the air is 75 % nitrogen.

And even ole thumper breath would have noticed that one. But then, he thinks burning hydrogen in a jet engine only makes water. And that jet running on JP-8 makes only water.

Sounds like both of you have the same distorted views. Else, the real story says jets make chemical emissions and chemical trails.

The bottom line is that you can't handle even simple stuff.

When JP-8 refineries upped the hydrogen content in jet fuels, they had to do something to compensate for all the extra NOx compounds that were exhausted---which is where part of the titanium dioxide and UV methods come into the equation.

IMHO,
is

halva

01-24-2005, 11:24 AM

(Don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing!!!)

(Raynolds hasn't persuaded them that he can protect them from civil litigation!! Perhaps he should try to reassure them.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stm

Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming'
By David Sington

Scientists have been studying solar measurements for decades
We are all seeing rather less of the Sun, according to scientists who have been looking at five decades of sunlight measurements.

They have reached the disturbing conclusion that the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface has been gradually falling.

Paradoxically, the decline in sunlight may mean that global warming is a far greater threat to society than previously thought.

The effect was first spotted by Gerry Stanhill, an English scientist working in Israel.

Cloud changes

Comparing Israeli sunlight records from the 1950s with current ones, Dr Stanhill was astonished to find a large fall in solar radiation.

"There was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me." Intrigued, he searched records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked.

Sunlight was falling by 10% over the USA, nearly 30% in parts of the former Soviet Union, and even by 16% in parts of the British Isles.

Although the effect varied greatly from place to place, overall the decline amounted to one to two per cent globally every decade between the 1950s and the 1990s.

Dr Stanhill called it "global dimming", but his research, published in 2001, met a sceptical response from other scientists.

It was only recently, when his conclusions were confirmed by Australian scientists using a completely different method to estimate solar radiation, that climate scientists at last woke up to the reality of global dimming.

My main concern is global dimming is also having a detrimental impact on the Asian monsoon ... We are talking about billions of people

Professor Veerhabhadran Ramanathan
Dimming appears to be caused by air pollution.

Burning coal, oil and wood, whether in cars, power stations or cooking fires, produces not only invisible carbon dioxide - the principal greenhouse gas responsible for global warming - but also tiny airborne particles of soot, ash, sulphur compounds and other pollutants.

This visible air pollution reflects sunlight back into space, preventing it reaching the surface. But the pollution also changes the optical properties of clouds.

Because the particles seed the formation of water droplets, polluted clouds contain a larger number of droplets than unpolluted clouds.

Recent research shows that this makes them more reflective than they would otherwise be, again reflecting the Sun's rays back into space.

Scientists are now worried that dimming, by shielding the oceans from the full power of the Sun, may be disrupting the pattern of the world's rainfall.

There are suggestions that dimming was behind the droughts in sub-Saharan Africa which claimed hundreds of thousands of lives in the 1970s and 80s.

There are disturbing hints the same thing may be happening today in Asia, home to half the world's population.

"My main concern is global dimming is also having a detrimental impact on the Asian monsoon," says Professor Veerhabhadran Ramanathan, professor of climate and atmospheric sciences at the University of California, San Diego. "We are talking about billions of people."

Alarming energy

But perhaps the most alarming aspect of global dimming is that it may have led scientists to underestimate the true power of the greenhouse effect.

They know how much extra energy is being trapped in the Earth's atmosphere by the extra carbon dioxide we have placed there.

What has been surprising is that this extra energy has so far resulted in a temperature rise of just 0.6 degree Celsius.

This has led many scientists to conclude that the present-day climate is less sensitive to the effects of carbon dioxide than it was, say, during the ice age, when a similar rise in CO2 led to a temperature rise of six degrees Celsius.

But it now appears the warming from greenhouse gases has been offset by a strong cooling effect from dimming - in effect two of our pollutants have been cancelling each other out.

This means that the climate may in fact be more sensitive to the greenhouse effect than previously thought.

If so, then this is bad news, according to Dr Peter Cox, one of the world's leading climate modellers.

As things stand, CO2 levels are projected to rise strongly over coming decades, whereas there are encouraging signs that particle pollution is at last being brought under control.

"We're going to be in a situation unless we act where the cooling pollutant is dropping off while the warming pollutant is going up.

"That means we'll get reducing cooling and increased heating at the same time and that's a problem for us," says Dr Cox.

Even the most pessimistic forecasts of global warming may now have to be drastically revised upwards.

That means a temperature rise of 10 degrees Celsius by 2100 could be on the cards, giving the UK a climate like that of North Africa, and rendering many parts of the world uninhabitable.

That is unless we act urgently to curb our emissions of greenhouse gases.

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 11:51 AM

Halva writes via article quote:

"But it now appears the warming from greenhouse gases has been offset by a strong cooling effect from dimming - in effect two of our pollutants have been cancelling each other out. "

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This is true and the reason for the jet chemtrails seeding clouds. Global warming even supplies more water vapor for clouds as a natural feedback to reflect the IR.

This concellation effect does not work well over the poles. And the pollution levels are much higher there due to the Earth's mag field and the Sun's ionization making up an MHD system effect that drives the pollutant concentration higher at the poles.

Jet chemtrail methods make the winters warmer---because the shielding reduces in the winter climates, and makes the Summers cooler--because the shading increases. And it will seasonally affect rainfall patterns in growing seasons.

Overall, the temps are growing----and with that the coefficient of expansion of the techtonic plates will make for more volcanic and earthquake activities. And a rise in the global warming rate.

IMHO,
is

stuart_allsop

01-24-2005, 12:34 PM

The atmosphere is nitrogen rich, not oxygen rich. It is 75 % nitrogen.

Oh brother... Not only does he have a problem with comprehending the word "rich", he doesn't even understand the composition of the atmosphere, or vapor pressure, or the combustion process, or...

Which means when you burn anything in a hot flame you get NOx compoundsSo where dows the "Ox" part of the "NOx" come from, then? Would you mind explaining the relative affinities of Nitrogen and Hydrogen for Oxygen? Would mind reminding your audience that the very term "burn" means " to oxidise", ie, to combine with oxygen, and does not mean "to combine with nitrogen", as you are tryin to hoax them into thinking?

and not just simple water. The nitrogen compound pollution comes from the air.[/qute] Whoever said it was simple water? If I thought it would do any good, I'd ask you to go back and show where ANYONE said that the ONLY byproduct of burning hydrocarbon fuel in an oxygen-rich atmosphere is water. Nobody ever said that, but here you are, tyring to twist the truth and claim tht this is what we said. BZZZZZZTTTT WRONG ANSWER!

All that we have said is that the MAJOR byproduct of burning hydrocarbon fuel in an oxygen-rich atmosphere is water. Please note: Not the ONLY one, but the MAJOR one. Big difference. In fact, for every pound of jet fuel that a jet engine burns, it produces about one and a half pounds of water, on average, at cruise (it can be much more or much less than this, depending on the engines and conditions, but 1.5 pounds is a rough average).

You mean you did not KNOW this, and yet you claim to be a CHEMIST???? tee hee heee!!!!!

[quote]But then, he thinks burning hydrogen in a jet engine only makes water. And that jet running on JP-8 makes only water.Wow. Is that hard to do, little chemist-wannbe-boy? I eman, that kind of lying, twisting, distorting of the words of others: Is it hard to do that with a stratigh face, and not feel at least a twinge of guilt?

Lets see if we can get this straight for you: Nobody mentioned anything about jet engines producing ONLY water. Just MOSTLY water.

Sounds like both of you have the same distorted views. Coming from you, that is indeed rich! he he he!! Can't help laughing!

When JP-8 refineries upped the hydrogen content in jet fuels,{/quote] How did they do that? In any event, they have not, could not and did not.

[quote] they had to do something to compensate for all the extra NOx compounds that were exhaustedUmmm... if they increade the amount of H in the fuel, then how on earth did that increase the N and the O? You are not making any sense! :)

---which is where part of the titanium dioxide and UV methods come into the equation.

IMHO,
is
koo koo! Coo quu! Quuuooo kooouuu!

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 12:36 PM

The chemtrails are only water coalition of "Rabbit Breath" and "Peter Rabbit" seems to be falling on its face with the introduction that burning hydro-carbons or just hydrogen in air makes NOx chemical compounds.

It makes things like NO2 or nitrogen dioxide, which is a brown liquid that freezes at -9.3 C. It is not water and it is a part of the droplet freeze out of chemtrails. NO2 is extremely toxic via inhallation.

Jet engines make a lot of chemical NOx compounds. Just the acknowledgement of NO2 means jet trails are chemical trails and it is not just frozen water droplets. Now, we could get into all the liquids that coat all the particles, which are all chemicals too.

Which, unfortunately, means all the Jay Reynolds Mob has been lying about jet chemtrails. They are clearly more than just water, by definition.

Jay Reynolds and his mob, when they say jet trails are just water, are lying--by definition.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 12:57 PM

Simon Stuart asserts:

"Ummm... if they increade the amount of H in the fuel, then how on earth did that increase the N and the O? You are not making any sense! "

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If anyone has to explain that one to you-----you are definitely deep well below the dumb-ass criteria. Down around chemical illiterate. (Note to others: I guess he never heard of what goes up his nose.)

So, now we have that Jay Reynolds is using imbeciles and idiots, many of whom suck right up to him because they are rather dumb and like to be of service to him in any way they can.

I got an idea---maybe you can go back to the Wizzard of Oz and petition him for a brain. Else, just be a minister.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 03:48 PM

Jet engines make a lot of chemical NOx compounds. Just the acknowledgement of NO2 means jet trails are chemical trails and it is not just frozen water droplets. Now, we could get into all the liquids that coat all the particles, which are all chemicals too. Which, unfortunately, means all the Jay Reynolds Mob has been lying about jet chemtrails. They are clearly more than just water, by definition.

Jimbo, you are reducing the force of your argument down day by day.

When you started, you said you had invented "chemtrails" and "haarp".
When you started, you said barium was in jet fuel.
When you started, you said aluminum was in jet fuel.
When you started, you said titanium was in jet fuel.

In each and every case of the above claims by Jim Phelps, absolutely no proof was presented whatsoever.

Day by day, Jimbo has been whittled down. His claims dwindle and have petered out.
He is dissolving like the wicked witch in the story of OZ.

His only remaining boogermen are water, NOx, SOx, CO2, and CO.

His new definition of "chemtrails", what he can prove, is exactly identical to=
Guess what?
CONTRAILS!

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 03:53 PM

Hey, Jimbo, are you made of chemicals?

Hey Jimbo, when you urinate, does anything other than pure water come out?
If so, you piss "chemtrails".

Hey, Jimbo, when you break wind, do gases containing sulfur and methane come out?
If so, you make "chemtrails".

Hey Jimbo, do you inhale?
If so, you breathe in "chemicals".

Hey Jimbo, do you own an automobile?
If so, the exhaust is a "chemtrail".

Hey, Jimbo.
GOT CHEMTRAILS?
See how ridiculous your argument has gotten?

Insurrectionchemistry

01-24-2005, 05:48 PM

Some profound quotes:

"Science and Religion are partners."

"They are two languages telling the same story."

"Sciences deals with the answers. Religion deals with the questions."

Those that understand that find that science met religion head on----in Oak RIdge and over the chemtrails issues.

IMHO,
is

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 06:37 PM

Halva writes via article quote:

"But it now appears the warming from greenhouse gases has been offset by a strong cooling effect from dimming - in effect two of our pollutants have been cancelling each other out. "

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This is true and the reason for the jet chemtrails seeding clouds. Global warming even supplies more water vapor for clouds as a natural feedback to reflect the IR.

Wayne will be the first to admit that there is no proof for "chemtrails".
Jim Phelps has made plenty of claims, but NO PROOF WHATSOEVER to back them up.

It is folly to call CO2, a naturally occurring beneficial gas without which the carbon cycle basic to life on our planet cannot exist, a "pollutant".

The basic water cycle of our planet DEMANDS that as temperature increases, water vapor increases, thus providing feedback, a "dimming".

Nice way God planned things out, eh, Wayne?
No "chemtrails" needed, however.

You are debunking yourselves here, Wayne, not to mention how Deborah and Chem11 are already debunking you two!

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 06:53 PM

Those that understand that find that science met religion head on----in Oak RIdge and over the chemtrails issues.

Jimbo, to date you have referred us to NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back up your claims about Oak Ridge National Laboratory being run by Jews out to take over the world.

You have alleged the following about these Jewish masterminds:

-invented an atomic bomb for the express purpose of blowing up Hitler
DID IT HAPPEN?(NOPE)

-asassinated JFK to prevent his ending the Federal Reserve banking system
WHERE'S THE PROOF?(NONE)

-forced Jim Phelps to invent haarp
(UNDER WHOSE ORDERS, JIMBO?)

-modified jet fuel to make it
a. more carcinogenic(NO PROOF)
b. more hydrogen(NO PROOF)
c. lower sulfur(NO PROOF)
d. added barium(NO PROOF)
e. added titanium(NO PROOF)
f. added aluminum(NO PROOF)

-corrupted the United Methodist Churches of Highland Park, Texas, and Oak Ridge, Tennessee
(NO PROOF)

-deliberately sprayed the city of Oak Ridge, Tennessee, with Titanium dioxide(NO PROOF)

JIMBO, SPACE AND TIME DO NOT PERMIT ME TO ENUMERATE ALL THE BOGUS CLAIMS YOU HAVE MADE, MANY OF WHICH I AM SURE YOU CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER YOURSELF. ONE PATTERN EMERGES, HOWEVER
NO PROOF WHATSOEVER!

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 07:07 PM

OH<,JIMBO, I FORGOT THIS LITTLE ITSY BITSY CLAIM OF YOURS FOR WHICH THERE IS ALSO NO PROOF!-

"When one follows the biblical icons and knows about the old
worlds problems with climate change then one meets God and the teachings of
the Bible first hand. In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered to be once removed
from God. He is also directly related to the Throne of David and the European
Welf and Guelph families.[/u]

THE THRONE OF DAVID????
THE EEEEVIL DOE, RUN BY JEWS, CONSIDERS JIM PHELPS ONCE REMOVED FROM GOD?????
IF JIM PHELPS IS RELATED TO DAVID, THEN HE IS JEWISH!!!
JIM PHELPS IS A JEW, ADMIRED BY JEWS????
HOW CAN THIS BE??????

jayreynolds

01-24-2005, 07:19 PM

"When one follows the biblical icons and knows about the old
worlds problems with climate change then one meets God and the teachings of
the Bible first hand. In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered to be once removed
from God. He is also directly related to the Throne of David and the European
Welf and Guelph families.

OH, MY GOD, JIM PHELPS" FAMILY IS LISTED IN THE "BLACK NOBILITY" OF EUROPEAN SATAN WORSHIPPERS, ILLUMINATI, AND VERY UGLY PEOPLE!

All the families listed are connected with the House of Guelph, one of the original Black Nobility families of Venice, from which the House of Windsor and thus the present Queen of England, Elizabeth II, descends. The Guelphs are so intertwined with the German aristocracy through the House of Hanover that it would take several pages to mention all their connections. Almost all European royal houses originate from the House of Hanover and thus from the House of Guelph - the Black Nobility.

An example:

the Hanoverian British King George I came from the Duchy of Luneburg, a part
of Northern Germany, which had been governed by the Guelph family since the
12th century.

Today the Guelphs (the Windsors) rule by dominating the raw materials market, and for years they have fixed the price of gold (a commodity they neither produce nor own). The House of Windsor also controls the price of copper, zinc, lead and tin. It is no accident that the principle commodity exchanges are located in London, England.
Companies run by Black Nobility families are British Petroleum, Oppenheimer,
Lonrho, Philbro and many many more.

The Black Nobility are the founders of THE secret society of our day from which all the others that are connected to the Illuminati originated from - the Committee of 300.
The Club of Rome, the C.F.R., the R.I.I.A., the Bilderbergers, the Round Table etc. all originate from the Committee of 300 and therefore from the European Black Nobility families. Co-operating with the European Black Nobility are American families like the Harrimans and the McGeorge Bundys.

The House of Hanover seems to be German, but is Jewish. So is the House of Habsburg. So it wasn't really the Germans who took over the British throne.
Brilliant isn't it?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=guelph++%22black+nobility%22&btnG=Search

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01-24-2005, 08:11 PM

Central banks shift reserves
away from US

By Chris Giles
Financial Times
January 24 2005
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Central banks are shifting reserves away from the US and towards the eurozone in a move that looks set to deepen the Bush administration's difficulties in financing its ballooning current account deficit.

In actions likely to undermine the dollar's value on currency markets, 70 per cent of central bank reserve managers said they had increased their exposure to the euro over the past two years. The majority thought eurozone money and debt markets were as attractive a destination for investment as the US.

The findings emerge from a survey of central bank reserve managers published today and conducted between September and December of last year. About 65 central banks, controlling assets worth $1,700bn, took part and the results showed a marked change in attitude over the past two years.

Any rebalancing of central bank reserve portfolios has serious implications for the global financial system as the US has become increasingly dependent on official flows of funds to finance its current account deficit, estimated at $650bn in 2004.

At the end of 2003, central banks held 70 per cent of their official reserves in dollar- denominated assets and central bank purchases of US securities had financed more than 80 per cent of the the US current account deficit in 2003.

Any reluctance to increase exposure to dollar assets further could cause the greenback to plunge on currency markets.

"The US cannot take support for the dollar for granted," said Nick Carver, one of the authors of the study conducted by Central Banking Publications, a company that specialises in reporting on central banks.

"Central banks' enthusiasm for the dollar seem to be cooling off."

In a further worrying sign for the greenback, 47 per cent of reserve managers surveyed said they expected the growth of official reserves to slow to less than 20 per cent over the next four years. Between the end of 2000 and mid-2004, official reserves had increased by 66 per cent.

Slower reserve accumulation growth implies the supply of official finance is likely to become more limited but few expect the demand from the US for finance to slow. The consensus among economists is that the US current account deficit will increase to $694bn in 2005.

More than 90 per cent of central bank reserve managers said that the income from reserve management was "important" or "very important".

In the two years since a similar survey was conducted, reserve managers had begun to seek higher returns for the money under management.

For these managers, dollar assets have become less attractive because the fall in the dollar since 2002 has reduced the yield they received and, in some cases, has led to negative real returns.

Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, warned in November that there was a limit to the willingness of foreign governments to finance the US current account deficit.

The survey was conducted on the guarantee of anonymity for the banks involved. The 65 central banks that participated control 45 per cent of global official reserves. Individually, they had up to $250bn under management.

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01-25-2005, 01:51 AM

The reaction of many to predictions for the coming century about climate change and its impacts is to feel overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the problem. They shrug their shoulders and say, â€˜it seems more or less inevitable now whatever we doâ€™.

But is that the reality? Can we still make a significant difference to the extent of climate change if we summon the will to act to reduce the emissions that are responsible?

DOING NOTHING
The worst of the impacts predicted by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and others will only take place if we fail to curb our greenhouse gas emissions and break the spiral of fossil fuel-based energy consumption within which we are now caught.

If we allow worldwide emissions to continue to double every 30 years, in line with energy usage, as astrophysicist Alberto di Fazio reports is now happening, we will exceed 1,000 parts per million by volume (ppmv) of CO2 in the atmosphere by the end of the century â€“ nearly four times pre-industrial levels, and nearly three times higher than levels are today.1

According to the UKâ€™s Hadley Centre, the average temperature increase across the planet would be more than 8ÂºC compared with 1990, and double that in the polar regions. Temperatures would be as high as they were 40 million years ago, before Antarctica had a permanent ice-sheet.2

Clearly, such a future would be catastrophic. Sea-level rise by 2100 due to the thermal expansion of water and from melting glaciers and ice-caps would be nearly 1m higher than today, according to the IPCCâ€™s Third Assessment Report. A lot would be at risk given that the majority of the worldâ€™s population lives along the flanks of oceans and some 30 per cent of the worldâ€™s best croplands are in coastal plains.

Cyclones, storm surges, hurricanes and a sea with waves generally higher than they were 30 years ago would cause havoc to coastal areas, decimating cities, settlements and agriculture. The potential damage could amount to tens of billions of dollars a year for vulnerable countries such as Egypt, Vietnam, Bangladesh and Poland.

Heat waves and drought would also have a heavy toll. One-third of the worldâ€™s population currently live in countries that are water-stressed. â€˜This number is projected to increase to around 5 billion by 2025, depending on the rate of population growth,â€™ states the IPCC.

Meanwhile, over 4 million sq km of vegetation would die back within 100 years â€“ practically equivalent to the whole of the Brazilian Amazon â€“ leading to a massive venting of carbon into the atmosphere â€“ as much as 1 billion tonnes of carbon within a century. This would also mean that net uptake from the atmosphere would decrease by a significant amount, hence adding to the total remaining behind, further accentuating global warming.3

This could all happen within a century from now â€“ if we do next to nothing to curb our growing emissions.

PARTIAL CURBS
The extent and severity of the impacts would be lessened somewhat if we were to stabilise concentration levels of CO2 in the atmosphere at 750ppmv â€“ twice the level they are today. To achieve that, the UKâ€™s Hadley Centre says we would need to reduce global emissions by half from where they are now by 2270.

At that level, the temperature increase would be just over 3ÂºC and the sea would have risen 40cm in a centuryâ€™s time. The IPCC points out that that would cause 200 million people a year to suffer from flooding, up from 75 million a year today. Moreover, sea-levels would keep on rising over the next 900 years to 1.5m higher than today, as water in the oceans would carry on warming and expanding.

Stabilisation at 750ppmv would also cause as much as 3 million sq km of vegetation to die back over 200 years. We would therefore undoubtedly suffer similar consequences as in an unmitigated emissions scenario, but to a slightly lesser degree.4

The impacts would be lessened slightly further if we were to stabilise levels of CO2 in the atmosphere at 550ppmv â€“ one-and-a-half times the level they are today â€“ which would require reducing global emissions by about 80 per cent by 2100. That is the level which the UKâ€™s Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution in its report, Energy â€“ The Changing Climate, believes â€˜should be regarded as an upper limit that should not be exceededâ€™.5

According to the UK Met Office, stabilisation at 550ppmv will lead to a committed warming of 2ÂºC over the next 150 years, leaving us with a temperature that still would not have been exceeded for 38 million years. Sea-level would still rise on average by 40cm over the next century and the Gulf Stream circulation (which keeps Northern Europe warmer than it otherwise would be) would become weaker over the next 50 years, but would rebound back to its original strength from then on. The models also indicate that stabilisation at 550ppmv would prevent the Amazon Basin drying out to the point of die-back, but would still lead to about 1 million sq km of global vegetational die-back over 250 years.

Moreover, the latest climate models which incorporate some of the dynamics between life and climate change, indicate that previous models (such as the IPCCâ€™s) underestimate the temperature increase and the impacts that would follow. The perturbations resulting from stabilising CO2 levels at even 550ppmv, therefore, could be far greater than is evident now.

RADICAL CUTS
Given such a prospect, the most sensible strategy would seem to be to curb our emissions of greenhouse gases as rapidly and radically as we can, with the aim of keeping atmospheric CO2 concentrations as close to current levels (of 370ppmv) as possible.

That would require cuts in CO2 emissions of 80â€“90 per cent within 50 years. It would necessitate a Herculean effort to improve energy efficiencies, reduce overall energy use, install alternative technologies for electricity generation and transport and move away from industrialised agriculture, which damages soils and releases carbon.

In return, further temperature rise, and hence damage to human communities and wildlife, would be minimised. So too would the risk of triggering feedbacks, which could dramatically increase global warming and cause climate change to spiral out of control, or, in the case of the UK and northern Europe, lead to the collapse of the Gulf Stream (the ocean current that normally brings warmth to our shores) and hence bring about a sudden freezing.6

But because it would still mean stabilising CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere at about 30 per cent above pre-industrial levels, some climate change would still take place. At todayâ€™s levels, we are already experiencing turbulence to the global climate system. Storms in the North Atlantic are getting fiercer, winds stronger, waves bigger. Unprecedented floods â€“ like those that afflicted Orissa during Indiaâ€™s 2001 monsoon and the UK during the winter of 2000â€“2001 â€“ are becoming increasingly common. According to the Red Cross, floods, storms, landslides and droughts have doubled from their 200â€“aâ€“year tally before 1996. The cost of natural disasters in 1999 (85 per cent of which were weather-related) amounted to $70 billion. Recent evidence has shown too that the Gulf Stream is already weaker and less steady than it was. Over the past 30 years, scientists have measured a 20 per cent fall in the cold, dense water flowing across the Faroe Bank Channel.7

Also, because of the lag in the climate system, our emissions of the past have yet to make themselves fully felt, so even if we suddenly experienced a massive collapse of the global economy and emissions stopped tomorrow, we could expect at least a 1ÂºC rise over the century as the oceans gradually release the heat they have accumulated. Sea levels would also still rise by about 1 metre over hundreds of years.

But clearly, stabilising concentrations as close to todayâ€™s levels as possible would ensure that climatic changes happened over a much longer period of time than would otherwise be the case, providing human and wildlife communities with a much greater opportunity to adapt.

ALL TO PLAY FOR
Therefore, we do have a choice. The higher the concentration targets we accept, the larger and faster the rises in temperature and sea-level will be, with much greater consequences for life. What will actually happen is up to us. But if we allow the inadequate nature of the political response to the challenge of climate change to remain as it is, and if the paltry emissions reduction targets agreed under the Kyoto Protocol (which would effectively require no cuts below 1990 levels at all) remain unrevised, the chances of keeping levels close to current concentrations seem minimal, given the radical changes that would be required.

Bert Metz, co-chairman of the mitigation group of the IPCC, believes the best we can hope for is to stabilise carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere at 450ppmv. â€˜Even 450ppmv is not safe,â€™ he says, â€˜but if we do not take action, it will go higher and higher, up to 1,000ppmv in some estimates. That would be very, very dangerous for the human race.â€™8

The stakes could not be higher. We have no more time to fritter away in talk. In the words of Bert Metz: â€˜Five to 10 yearsâ€™ delay in cutting greenhouse gas emissions could put the job of stabilising the atmosphere beyond reach.â€™

If that were to happen, the planet would be well on its way to becoming a human-free zone.

Peter Bunyard is science editor of The Ecologist.

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01-25-2005, 02:37 AM

Global Dimming

Questions and answers about global dimming

NARRATOR (JACK FORTUNE): This is a film that demands action. It reveals that we may have grossly underestimated the speed at which our climate is changing. At its heart is a deadly new phenomenon. One that until very recently scientists refused to believe even existed. But it may already have led to the starvation of millions. Tonight Horizon examines for the first time the power of what scientists are calling Global Dimming.

NARRATOR: September 12th 2001, the aftermath of tragedy. While America mourned, the weather all over the country was unusually fine. Eight hundred miles west of New York, in Madison, Wisconsin a climate scientist called David Travis was on his way to work.

DR DAVID TRAVIS (University of Wisconsin, Whitewater): Around the twelfth, later on in the day, when I was driving to work, and I noticed how bright blue and clear the sky was. And at first I didn't think about it, then I realised the sky was unusually clear.

NARRATOR: For 15 years Travis had been researching an apparently obscure topic, whether the vapour trails left by aircraft were having a significant effect on the climate. In the aftermath of 9/11 the entire US fleet was grounded, and Travis finally had a chance to find out.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: It was certainly, you know, one of the tiny positives that may have come out of this, an opportunity to do research that hopefully will never happen again.

NARRATOR: Travis suspected the grounding might make a small but detectable change to the climate. But what he observed was both immediate and dramatic.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degrees C. And you have to realise that from a layman's perspective that doesn't sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.

NARRATOR: One degree in just three days no one had ever seen such a big climatic change happen so fast. This was a new kind of climate change. Scientists call it Global Dimming. Two years ago most of them had never even heard of it, yet now they believe it may mean all their predictions about the future of our climate could be wrong. The trail that would lead to the discovery of Global Dimming began 40 years ago, in Israel with the work of a young English immigrant called Gerry Stanhill. A trained biologist, Gerry got a job helping to design irrigation schemes. His task was to measure how strongly the sun shone over Israel.

DR GERALD STANHILL (Agricultural Research Organisation, Israel): It was important for this work to measure solar radiation, because that is the factor that basically determines how much water crops require.

NARRATOR: For a year Gerry collected data from a network of light meters; the results were much as expected, and were used to help design the national irrigation system. But twenty years later, in the 1980s, Gerry decided to repeat his measurements to check that they were still valid. What he found, stunned him.

DR GERALD STANHILL: Well I was amazed to find that there was a very serious reduction in sunlight, the amount of sunlight in Israel. In fact, if we compare those very early measurements in the 1950s with the current measurements, there was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me.

NARRATOR: A 22% drop in solar energy was simply massive. If it was true surely Israelis should be freezing. There had to be something wrong. So when Gerry published his results they were ignored. DR GERALD STANHILL: I must say the publications had almost no effect whatsoever on the scientific community.

NARRATOR: But in fact Gerry was not the only scientist who had noticed a fall in sunlight. In Germany a young graduate climatologist called Beate Liepert found that the same thing seemed to be happening over the Bavarian Alps too. DR BEATE LIEPERT (Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory): I was the same, I was as sceptical as any other climatologist. But then, um, I, I saw the same results er in Germany, so um I believed him.

NARRATOR: Germany, Israel, what about the rest of the world? Working independently of each other, Liepert and Stanhill began searching through publications, journals and meteorological records from around the world. And they both found the same extraordinary story. Between the 1950s and the early 1990s the level of solar energy reaching the earth's surface had dropped 9% in Antarctica, 10% in the USA, by almost 30% in Russia. And by 16% in parts of the British Isles. This was a truly global phenomenon, and Gerry gave it a suitable name - Global Dimming. But again, the response from other scientists was one of sheer disbelief.

DR GERALD STANHILL: The scientific community was obviously not ready to deal with the fact that there was a Global Dimming phenomena.

NARRATOR: Of course, there was a good reason for the scepticism. Less energy from the Sun should be making the world cooler. Yet scientists knew the Earth was getting hotter. As the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases we emit trap ever more heat in the Earth's atmosphere and cause Global Warming.

DR BEATE LIEPERT: My friends' reaction actually to Gerry's and to my work at the same time too was, oh my God this is really extreme, you are um contradicting global warming. Er do you know how many billions of dollars was spent on global warming research and you and this old guy er are contradicting er us.

NARRATOR: So Liepert and Stanhill's work was widely dismissed. But Global Dimming was not the only phenomenon that didn't seem to fit with Global Warming. In Australia two more biologists, Michael Roderick and Graham Farquhar were intrigued by another paradoxical result - the world-wide decline in something called the pan evaporation rate.

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PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR (Australian National University): It's called pan evaporation rate because it's evaporation rate from a pan. Every day all over the world people come out in the morning and see how much water they've got to add to a pan to bring it back to the level it was the same time the morning before. It's that simple.

NARRATOR: In some places agricultural scientists have been performing this rather dull daily task for more than a hundred years. PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: The long-term measurements of pan evaporation are what gives it its real value.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK (Australian National University): And the fact that they're doing the same thing day in day out with the same instrument.

PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: Yeah, they deserve a medal. Each of them.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK: Yeah.

NARRATOR: For decades, nobody took much notice of the pan evaporation measurements. But in the 1990s scientists spotted something very strange, the rate of evaporation was falling.

PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: There is a paradox here about the fact that the pan evaporation rate's going down, an apparent paradox, but the global temperature's going up.

NARRATOR: This was a puzzle. Most scientists reasoned that like a pan on the stove, turning up the global temperature should increase the rate at which water evaporated. But Roderick and Farquhar did some calculations and worked out that temperature was not the most important factor in pan evaporation.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK: Well it turns out in fact that the key things for pan evaporation are the sunlight, the humidity and the wind. But really the sunlight is a really dominant term there.

NARRATOR: They found that it was the energy of the photons hitting the surface, the actual sunlight, that kicks the water molecules out of the pan and into the atmosphere. And so they too reached an extraordinary conclusion.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK: You know, if the pan is going down then maybe that's the sunlight going down. NARRATOR: Was the fall in pan evaporation in fact evidence of Global Dimming? Somewhere in the journals, they felt, must be the hard numbers that could tie the two things together.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK: And then one day, just by accident, I had to go to the library to get an article out Nature. As you do, I couldn't find it. And I just glanced at a, through the thing, and there was an article called Evaporation Losing Its Strength. Which reported a decline in pan evaporation over Russia, United States and Eastern Europe. And there in the, in the measurements, they said that the, the pans had on average, evaporated about a hundred millimetres less of water in the last thirty years.

NARRATOR: Mike knew how much sunlight was needed to evaporate a millimetre of water. So he put the two sets of figures together - the drop in evaporation with the drop in sunlight.

DR MICHAEL RODERICK: And so you just do the sum in your head. A hundred millimetres of water, less a pan evaporation, two and a half mega joules, so two and a half times a hundred is two hundred and fifty mega joules. And that is in fact what the Russians have measured with the decline in sunlight in the last thirty years. It was quite amazing.

NARRATOR: It was the same with Europe and the USA. The drop in evaporation rate matched exactly the drop in sunlight reported by Beate Liepert and Gerry Stanhill. Two completely independent sets of observations had come to the same conclusion. Though it seemed incredible, there was no doubting Global Dimming now.

DR BEATE LIEPERT: All of a sudden you see, oh my God the world is dimming, and then you, all of a sudden you see oh my God this really has a tremendous impact.

PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: There had to be dimming in Europe in America and in Russia, this is on a global scale. And we thought, this is really important because the amount of dimming was enormous. So this is BIG on a global scale.

NARRATOR: But what was causing it? Scientists knew that there was nothing wrong with the sun itself. The culprit had to be here on Earth. And as they searched for clues, they would make another startling discovery. Global dimming is a killer. It may have been behind the worst climatic disaster of recent times, responsible for famine and death on a biblical scale. And Global Dimming is poised to strike again.

NARRATOR: The Maldives: a nation of a thousand tiny islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so recently battered by the Asian tsunami. It was here that Veerabhadran Ramanathan, one of the world's leading climate scientists first began to unravel the mystery of what's causing Global Dimming. He had first noticed declining sunlight over large areas of the Pacific Ocean in the mid-1990s.

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PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN (University of California): But we didn't know at that time it was part of a much larger global picture, but I knew we had to find out what was causing that.

NARRATOR: Ramanathan was certain of one thing, the big drop in sunlight reaching the ground had to be something to do with changes in the Earth's atmosphere. There was one obvious suspect.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: Almost everything we do to create energy causes pollution.

NARRATOR: Burning fuel doesn't just produce the invisible greenhouse gases which cause global warming. It also produces visible pollution, tiny airborne particles of soot and other pollutants. These produce the haze which shrouds our cities. So Ramanathan wondered: Could this pollution be causing Global Dimming? The Maldives were the perfect place to find out. The Maldives seem unpolluted, but in fact the northern islands sit in a stream of dirty air descending from India. Only the southern tip of the long island chain enjoys clean air coming all the way from Antarctica. So by comparing the northern islands with the southern ones, Ramanathan and his colleagues would be able to see exactly what difference the pollution made to the atmosphere and the sunlight. Project INDOEX, as it was called, was a huge multinational effort. For four years every possible technique was used to sample and monitor the atmosphere over the Maldives. INDOEX cost twenty-five million dollars, but it produced results - and they surprised everyone.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: The stunning part of the experiment was this pollutant layer which was three kilometre thick, cut down the sunlight reaching the ocean by more than 10%.

NARRATOR: A 10% fall in sunlight meant that particle pollution was having a far bigger effect than anyone had thought possible.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: Our models led us to believe the human impact on the dimming was close to half to one per cent. So what we discovered was tenfold.

NARRATOR: INDOEX showed that the pollution particles were blocking some sunlight themselves; but far more significant was what they were doing to the clouds. They were turning them into giant mirrors. Clouds are made of droplets of water. These only form when water vapour in the atmosphere starts to condense on the surface of naturally occurring airborne particles, typically pollen or sea salt. As they grow, the water droplets eventually become so heavy they fall as rain. But Ramanathan found that polluted air contained far more particles than the unpolluted air, particles of ash, soot and sulphur dioxide.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: We saw ten times more particles in the polluted air mass north of the Maldives compared with what we saw south of the Maldives which was a pristine air mass.

NARRATOR: In the polluted air billions of man-made particles provided ten times as many sites around which water droplets could form. So polluted clouds contained many more water droplets, each one far smaller than it would be naturally. Many small droplets reflect more light than fewer big ones. So the polluted clouds were reflecting more light back into space, preventing the heat of the sun getting through. This was the cause of Global Dimming.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: Basically the Global Dimming we saw in the North Indian Ocean, it was contributed on the one hand by the particles themselves shielding the ocean from the sunlight, on the other hand making the clouds brighter. So this insidious soup, consisting of soot, sulphates, nitrates, ash and what have you, was having a double whammy on the Global Dimming.

NARRATOR: And when he looked at satellite images, Ramanathan found the same thing was happening all over the world. Over India. Over China, and extending into the Pacific. Over Western Europe... extending into Africa. Over the British Isles. But it was when scientists started to investigate the effects of Global Dimming that they made the most disturbing discovery of all. Those more reflective clouds could alter the pattern of the world's rainfall. With tragic consequences.

NEWS REPORT - MICHAEL BUERK VOICE OVER: Dawn, and as the sun breaks through the piercing chill of night on the plain outside Korum it lights up a biblical famine, now in the 20th Century. This place say workers here is the closest thing to hell on earth.

NARRATOR: The 1984 Ethiopian famine shocked the world. It was partly caused by a decade's long drought right across sub-Saharan Africa - a region known as the Sahel. For year after year the summer rains failed. At the time some scientists blamed overgrazing and poor land management. But now there's evidence that the real culprit was Global Dimming. The Sahel's lifeblood has always been a seasonal monsoon. For most of the year it is completely dry. But every summer, the heat of the sun warms the oceans north of the equator. This draws the rain belt that forms over the equator northwards, bringing rain to the Sahel. But for twenty years in the 1970s and 80s the tropical rain belt consistently failed to shift northwards - and the African monsoon failed. For climate scientists like Leon Rotstayn the disappearance of the rains had long been a puzzle. He could see that pollution from Europe and North America blew right across the Atlantic, but all the climate models suggested it should have little effect on the monsoon. But then Rotstayn decided to find out what would happen if he took the Maldive findings into account.

DR LEON ROTSTAYN (CSIRO Atmospheric Research): What we found in our model was that when we allowed the pollution from Europe and North America to affect the properties of the clouds in the northern hemisphere the clouds reflected more sunlight back to space and this cooled the oceans of the northern hemisphere. And to our surprise the result of this was that the tropical rain bands moved southwards tracking away from the more polluted northern hemisphere towards the southern hemisphere.

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NARRATOR: Polluted clouds stopped the heat of the sun getting through. That heat was needed to draw the tropical rains northwards. So the life giving rain belt never made it to the Sahel.

DR LEON ROTSTAYN: So what our model is suggesting is that these droughts in the Sahel in the 1970s and the 1980s may have been caused by pollution from Europe and North America affecting the properties of the clouds and cooling the oceans of the northern hemisphere.

NARRATOR: Rotstayn has found a direct link between Global Dimming and the Sahel drought. If his model is correct, what came out of our exhaust pipes and power stations contributed to the deaths of a million people in Africa, and afflicted 50 million more. But this could be just of taste of what Global Dimming has in store.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: The Sahel is just one example of the monsoon system. Let me take you to anther part of the world. Asia, where the same monsoon brings rainfall to three point six billion people, roughly half the world's population. My main concern is this air pollution and the Global Dimming will also have a detrimental impact on this Asian monsoon. We are not talking about few millions of people we are talking about few billions of people.

NARRATOR: For Ramanathan the implications are clear.

PROF VEERABHADRAN RAMANATHAN: There is no choice here we have to cut down air pollution, if not eliminate it altogether.

NARRATOR: Fortunately, tackling air pollution needn't be too difficult. It wouldn't mean giving up on oil and coal altogether. We'd just have to burn them more cleanly. And in Europe we've already made a start: scrubbers in power stations, catalytic converters in cars and low sulphur fuels, though they do nothing to reduce greenhouse gases, have already begun to cut down visible air pollution. This should be good news for the Sahel, and in recent years the droughts have been nothing like as bad. But there's a terrible catch. Because while Global Dimming is itself a major threat to humanity, it now appears it has been protecting us from an even greater threat. Which means that as we reduce the dimming, we may find ourselves faced by something even worse.

NARRATOR: It was David Travis who first caught a glimpse of what the world could be like without Global Dimming. It happened in those chaotic days following the tragedy of 9/11. For fifteen years, Travis had been studying the vapour trails, or contrails, left behind by high-flying aircraft. Though each individual contrail seems small, when they all spread out, they can blanket the sky.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: Here are some examples of what we call outbreaks of contrails. These are large clusters of contrails. And here's a particularly er good one from Southern California. Here's the west coast of the United States. And you can see here this lacing network of contrails er covering at least fifty per cent, if not seventy five per cent or more of the sky in that area. It doesn't take an expert to er realise that if, if you look at the satellite picture and see this kind of contrail coverage that they've got to be having an effect on temperature at the surface.

NARRATOR: But the problem Travis faced was to establish exactly how big an effect the contrails were actually having. The only way to do that was to find a period of time when, although conditions were right for contrails to form, there were no flights. And, of course, that never happened. Until September 2001. Then, for three days after the 11th virtually all commercial aircraft in the US were grounded. It was an opportunity Travis could not afford to miss. He set about gathering temperature records from all over the USA.

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DR DAVID TRAVIS: Initially data from over 5,000 weather stations across the 48 united states, the areas that was most dominantly affected by the grounding.

NARRATOR: Travis was not looking just at temperature - that varies a lot from day to day anyway. Instead he focused on something that normally only changes quite slowly: the temperature range. The difference between the highest temperature during the day and the lowest at night. Had this changed at all during the three days of the grounding?

DR DAVID TRAVIS: As we began to look at the climate data and the evidence began to grow I got more and more excited. The actual results were much larger than I expected. So here we see for the 3 days preceding September 11th a slightly negative value of temperature range with lots of contrails as normal. Then we have this sudden spike right here of the 3 day period. This reflects lack of clouds, lack of contrails, warmer days cooler nights, exactly what we expected but even larger than what we expected. So what this indicates is that during this 3 day period we had a sudden drop in Global Dimming contributed from airplanes.

NARRATOR: During the grounding the temperature range jumped by over a degree Celsius. Travis had never seen anything like it before.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: This was the largest temperature swing of this magnitude in the last thirty years.

NARRATOR: If so much could happen in such a short time, removing just one form of pollution, then it suggests that the overall effect of Global Dimming on world temperatures could be huge.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: The nine eleven study showed that if you remove a contributor to Global Dimming, jet contrails, just for a three day period, we see an immediate response of the surface of temperature. Do the same thing globally we might see a large scale increase in global warming.

NARRATOR: This is the real sting in the tail. Solve the problem of Global Dimming and the world could get considerably hotter. And this is not just theory, it may already be happening. In Western Europe the steps we have taken to cut air pollution have started to bear fruit in a noticeable improvement in air quality and even a slight reduction in Global Dimming over the last few years. Yet at the same time, after decades in which they held steady, European temperatures have started rapidly to rise culminating in the savage summer of 2003.
Forest fires devastated Portugal. Glaciers melted in the Alps. And in France people died by the thousand. Could this be the penalty of reducing Global Dimming without tackling the root cause of global warming?

DR BEATE LIEPERT: We thought we live in a global warming world, um but this is actually er not right. We lived in a global warming plus a Global Dimming world, and now we are taking out Global Dimming. So we end up with the global warming world, which will be much worse than we thought it will be, much hotter.

NARRATOR: This is the crux of the problem. While the greenhouse effect has been warming the planet, it now seems Global Dimming has been cooling it down. So the warming caused by carbon dioxide has been hidden from us by the cooling from air pollution. But that situation is now starting to change.

DR PETER COX (Hadley Centre, Met Office): We're gonna be in a situation unless we act where the cooling pollutant is dropping off while the warming pollutant is going up, CO2 will be going up and particles will be dropping off and that means we'll get an accelerated warming. We'll get a double whammy, we'll get, we'll get reducing cooling and increased heating at the same time and that's, that's a problem for us.

NARRATOR: And that's not all. Climatologists like Peter Cox have begun to worry that Global Dimming has led them to underestimate the true power of global warming. They fear that the Earth could be far more vulnerable to greenhouse gases than they had previously thought.

DR PETER COX: We've got two competing effects really, that we've got the greenhouse effect, which has tended to warm up the climate. But then we've got this other effect that's much stronger than we thought, which is a cooling effect that comes from particles in the atmosphere. And they're competing with one another. And we know the climate's moved to a warmer state by about point six of a degree over the last hundred years. So the whole thing's moved this way. If it turns out that the cooling is stronger than we thought then the warming also is a lot stronger than we thought, and that means the climate's more sensitive to carbon dioxide than we originally thought, and it means our models may be under sensitive to carbon dioxide.

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NARRATOR: The models that everyone has been using to forecast climate change predict a maximum warming of 5 degrees by the end of the century. But Cox and his colleagues now fear those models may be wrong. Temperatures could rise twice as fast as they previously thought with irreversible damage just twenty-five years away.

DR PETER COX: If we don't do anything by about twenty thirty we could have a global warming of exceeding two degrees, and at that point it's believed the Greenland ice sheet would start to melt in a way that you wouldn't be able to stop it once it started it, it would melt. Take a long time to melt but ultimately it would lead to a sea level rise of seven or eight metres.

NARRATOR: Once the Greenland ice cap begins to melt, nothing will stop it. Many of the world's major cities will be living on borrowed time. Decade by decade, the risk of catastrophic flooding would increase inexorably. But unless action is taken it won't stop there. Because after Greenland, the world's tropical rainforests will start to wither in the heat.

DR PETER COX: 2040 it could be four degrees warmer, the climate change could have led to big drying particularly in the Amazon Basin, that would make the forest unsustainable, we'd expect the forest to catch fire probably, turn into savannah and maybe ultimately even desert if it gets really really dry as our model suggests.

NARRATOR: And as the rainforest burnt away, it would release vast amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, driving global warming still further. Cox calculates that in just a century, the world could be 10 degrees hotter, a warming more rapid than any in Earth history. If this were to happen, the landscape of England would be utterly transformed.

DR PETER COX: We're talking about a change from er a lush, moist climate, environment like this, to a North African climate in just a few decades or a hundred years.

NARRATOR: Most British plant species could not survive a North African climate. With vegetation dying everywhere, soil erosion would become a severe problem. From a green and pleasant land, England would become a country of extremes, with winter flooding giving way to summer dust storms. And it will be far worse elsewhere.

DR PETER COX: You can imagine ten degree warming in the UK in a hundred years is catastrophic. Ten degree warming in a hot country already makes it essentially uninhabitable.
NARRATOR: And just when one might think things could get no worse in the far North a ten degree warming might be enough to release a vast natural store of greenhouse gas bigger than all the oil and coal reserves of the planet.

DR PETER COX: We will be in danger of destabilising these things called methane hydrates which store a lot of methane at the bottom of the ocean in a kind of frozen form, ten thousand billions tons of this stuff, and they're known to be destabilised by warming.

NARRATOR: At this point, whatever we did to curb our emissions, it would be too late. Ten thousand billion tons of methane, a greenhouse gas eight times stronger than carbon dioxide, would be released into the atmosphere. The Earth's climate would be spinning out of control, heading towards temperatures unseen in four billion years. But this is not a prediction - it is a warning. It is what will happen if we clean up pollution while doing nothing about greenhouse gases. However, the easy solution - just keep on polluting and hope that Global Dimming will protect us - would be suicidal.

DR PETER COX: If we carried on pumping out the particles it would have terrible impact on human health, I mean particles are involved in all sorts of respiratory diseases, that's why they're being brought under control, and of course they effect climate anyway. If you, if you fiddle with the, the balance of the planet, the radiative balance of the planet, you affect all sorts of circulation patterns like monsoons, which would have horrible effects on people. So it would be extremely difficult, in fact impossible, to cancel out the greenhouse effect just by carrying on pumping out particles, even if it wasn't for the fact that particles are damaging for human health.
NARRATOR: Instead we have to take urgent action to tackle the root cause of both global warming and Global Dimming - the burning of coal, oil and gas. We may have to make very difficult choices, about how we live and how we generate our electricity. We have been talking about such things for 20 years. But so far very little has been done in practical terms. The discovery of Global Dimming makes it clear that we are rapidly running out of time.

DR PETER COX: One of the real driving forces is that you leave an environment that is comfortable for your children. And we carry on going the way we're going, we're not going to do that, we're going to leave an environment that's much worse than the environment we lived in; and it will be down to what we did when we were using that environment, and that would be, um, tragic really, if that happened.