It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature

[gaiacomm]

And more:

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ct6f3TUwGmwJ:afghanistanwar.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D16321+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

And more:

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:I6xbsLCNizoJ:www.united-arab-emirates.net/memberlist.php%3Fltr%3DS%26pp%3D0%26sort%3Dusernam e%26order%3Ddesc+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

And more:

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:dWY5ku179VMJ:health.groups.yahoo.co m/group/sr111/messages/3001%3Fviscount%3D100+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

And his hobby:

http://www.digistar.cl/SR111/index.html

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allsop words:

Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allsop words:

Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!


Mr. Allsop:

Your statements have all been copied and stored. I will be waiting for a public apology. If not then that's the way it is. Your words if they have merit will be acted on just to make a point! If any thing happens the better, if not then at least an attempt was made and will be a matter of public record!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Con't--

So, as previously stated the G-protein effect was recognized at ORNL early in in the mid-80's. And the issue of fluorine and aluminum forming G-protein mimics that would lock up these dendritic cell bonding sites and never let go.

Now, the real interesting thing is the fellow that was doing the G-protein research was kinda religious and he recognized the high signifcance of what he found. So, the G in the term G-protein was GOD. The G-protein fellow that discovered the effect recognize that this effect was extremely important to human existance.

And the rest is history, after that association all the issues of religion were mapped out at ORNL, all the issues of god being made for Man's purposes and the more innocent of God issues linked to Christ.

The simple issues of this naming this G-protein or GOD-protein triggered a regular epiphany at ORNL on the research into religion factors. We dug up the issues of alchemy and how the colloid metals effect could offset these harmful G-protein factors and even how this could related to higher levels of intelligence by the management of these factors. We defined the issues of higher intelligence linked to the Devine (or supreme knowledge) and how these associations pertained to the lingo in the Bible narratives.


But the key to understanding all is the synergism of fluorine to metals in the body and the formation of these dangerous GOD-Proteins that highly alter human health and mental development.


Once you make these association, you become easily able to defeat these evil debunkers that are up to attempting to hide this effect upon which these jet trail problems associate, as well as the hugh profits of the Rockefeller standard oil types and AMA based medicines.


Once you get hold of those synergism issues you got these crooked debunkers by the balls, so to speak. So, make sure they get nice boyfriends in the big house that will give them what they deserve.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Email the Chile man:

stuartallsop@londonwebpages.com

Or this one: simon.stuart@homemail.com



Simon Stuart

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart:
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:GtHDDfOOwZ0J:www.digistar.cl/SR111/srlinks.html+londonwebpages&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart:

http://londonwebpages.com/

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart:

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Mr. Allsop words:

Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!




Mr. Allsop:

Your statements have all been copied and stored. I will be waiting for a public apology. If not then that's the way it is. Your words if they have merit will be acted on just to make a point! If any thing happens the better, if not then at least an attempt was made and will be a matter of public record!



We now can call you Simon Stuart

Its amazing how IP addresses can give so much! And public record files are even easier!

Even in Chile....maybe.....

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/print/0,1478,3099128a10,00.html

Human extinction within 100 years warns scientist

WEDNESDAY, 17 NOVEMBER 2004

By JOHN HENZELL
A top New Zealand researcher is using a
prestigious award ceremony in Christchurch to warn
that humans face extinction by the end of the
century.

Professor Peter Barrett will be presented with the
Marsden Medal tonight for his 40-year contribution
to Antarctic research, latterly focusing on
climate change.

The director of Victoria University's Antarctic
Research Centre expects to use his acceptance
speech to warn climate change was a major threat
to the planet.

"After 40 years, I'm part of a huge community of
scientists who have become alarmed with our
discovery, that we know from our knowledge of the
ancient past, that if we continue our present
growth path, we are facing extinction," Barrett
said. "Not in millions of years, or even
millennia, but by the end of this century."

Barrett won the award - designed to mark lifetime
achievement in the sciences - for his research
into Antarctica, which began with helping prove
New Zealand was once part of the Gondwanaland
supercontinent.

He then changed disciplines, to predicting the
impact of climate change. The result was a body of
research on Antarctic ice sheets "which to our
surprise is becoming increasingly relevant to the
world as a consequence of global warming".

Barrett's warning underlines comments he made last
year that even the Kyoto Protocol on global
warming would not be enough to avert a climate
disaster. The United States and Australia have
refused to adopt Kyoto protocol measures.

"Research on the past Antarctic climate has an
ominous warning for the future ..." he said.

"We need an international commitment to an
effective solution, if we are to survive the worst
consequences of this grandest of all human
experiments."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Interesting Gaia,

Is this "Simon Stuart" using a fake name of "Stuart Allsops" on Arianna's list. Simon Stuart is a very Jewish name and would explain why he knows so much about the Jewish narratives of Torah and Talmud.

Allsops really is a fable here---fake name----trying to subvert the US national security issues.

Then the other one can't even say his name as he flings his insults from Canada.

What ever the name for the Chile entidy, a petty thug is a petty thug----even using aliases all the more telling.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

Per comments:
===
Jim:'

Your data is good. Keep up the good work. These idiots are not scientists they pretend.

I am impressed with your work. If you notice they never have forward data that corrects or even assumes correct results. You are dealing with a farmer (JR) and a wanatbe NTSB employee (ALLSOP).

Don't even convince them. Its difficult to educate those that are already in trouble with themselves. Your link to your site enlightened me, Thank you!
===

Yes, Gaia, it is rock solid data with clear documentation to support all conclusions.

Even the info on JFK has been reviewed by the FBI and found rock solid too.

Yes, I know these petty thugs are not scientists.

Good to hear that you read the web site and are putting together the pieces. Use it wisely and you are welcome. Once these last bits come together for you----the power resides you each of your hands. Return of the power and knowledge to the people.

I am not trying to convince the crooks here of anything. Do remember that I came here to study the Debunkers, their methods, their associations. And by all means copy down their attempts to harass and cover up the details of what is really going on. Pass it all along to the FBI in full context, if you want. Pass the details of what they are trying to cover up everywhere, all around information circles around the globe.

I don't think these crooks are going to fare well when an entire Christian nation turns on them, plus the FBI and DOJ comes in after them to boot.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

Per comments:
===
Jim:'

Your data is good. Keep up the good work. These idiots are not scientists they pretend.

I am impressed with your work. If you notice they never have forward data that corrects or even assumes correct results. You are dealing with a farmer (JR) and a wanatbe NTSB employee (ALLSOP).

Don't even convince them. Its difficult to educate those that are already in trouble with themselves. Your link to your site enlightened me, Thank you!
===

Yes, Gaia, it is rock solid data with clear documentation to support all conclusions.

Even the info on JFK has been reviewed by the FBI and found rock solid too.

Yes, I know these petty thugs are not scientists.

Good to hear that you read the web site and are putting together the pieces. Use it wisely and you are welcome. Once these last bits come together for you----the power resides you each of your hands. Return of the power and knowledge to the people.

I am not trying to convince the crooks here of anything. Do remember that I came here to study the Debunkers, their methods, their associations. And by all means copy down their attempts to harass and cover up the details of what is really going on. Pass it all along to the FBI in full context, if you want. Pass the details of what they are trying to cover up everywhere, all around information circles around the globe.

I don't think these crooks are going to fare well when an entire Christian nation turns on them, plus the FBI and DOJ comes in after them to boot.

IMHO,
is


Yes, Jim I read everything that is how I learn and grow to understand which helps my opinions!

Keep the data coming. It would be nice to get some conclusions.

[gaiacomm]

Interesting Gaia,

Is this "Simon Stuart" using a fake name of "Stuart Allsops" on Arianna's list. Simon Stuart is a very Jewish name and would explain why he knows so much about the Jewish narratives of Torah and Talmud.

Allsops really is a fable here---fake name----trying to subvert the US national security issues.

Then the other one can't even say his name as he flings his insults from Canada.

What ever the name for the Chile entidy, a petty thug is a petty thug----even using aliases all the more telling.

IMHO,
is


Yes you are correct with your statement. I have provided data on the last 2 pages to confirm that a Jew name does exist for the Chile outcast. See his links and follow. You have his direct emails and Airline data. Now invade his space and crtique his work...SwissAir, etc.

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart:

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Mr. Allsop words:

Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!




Mr. Allsop:

Your statements have all been copied and stored. I will be waiting for a public apology. If not then that's the way it is. Your words if they have merit will be acted on just to make a point! If any thing happens the better, if not then at least an attempt was made and will be a matter of public record!



We now can call you Simon Stuart

Its amazing how IP addresses can give so much! And public record files are even easier!

Even in Chile....maybe.....



Simon Stuart we are waiting. Or do your own words carry no merit? After all other people in the Airline industry depend on sound judgement calls. Or is your work worthless?

[gaiacomm]

For Simon Stuarts data go to pages 450- 452 of this forum.

Simon Stuart would probably not wish us all to invade his other websites and do the same as he does here.

Simon Stuart I hope you have a wonderful NEW YEAR!

[stuart_allsop]

But the real heart of the problem lies in the simple fact that the Star Icon of the Jews and the Cross icon of the Christ followers are not of the same defintion for God, but ones of god and God. Which is an interesting effect that causes all the great wars. And this too, is based in racketeering. The same funders of the GOP oriented think tank debunkers are the same GOP types that make up 80% or churches. Lots of church donations come from the doctors getting rich off the cover up of the environmental AlFx problems in health.
OK. now I get it! According to you, the Bible is actually raketering scheeme which the GOP has been running for the last 3,600 years or so, based on the Jewish Chrisitian god God star-cross icon, in order to cause all the great wars. OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

(PS. Do you have any idea how utterly feeble minded you look. to those of us who have actually studied this stuff, and even teach it? Your gross ignorance and extrememly twisted interpretation of the Bible, Christain history, and the history of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people (which is not even the same thing) is totally hilarious. Well, it would actually be funny, if it weren't such a dead serious matter. You might want to consider the future of your soul, if you continue to spout this kind of blasphemy. Do you actually BELIEVE this trash that you spew?)

[stuart_allsop]

Here and now, We are just insuring that the Debunker's dying gasps are being heard Well, that's good enough or me. When open death threats like this appear, its time to call the authorities.

Bye.

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart maybe you can answer this question:


An Open letter to Jews


With all of the hate against not just Jews but also other races it has become so confusing to understand why this is so. But I have noticed thru the years that Jews seem to always rise to the top of the hate list. I can understand this by first hand experience. Killing Jews seems to be a sport and in some cases even financially rewarding. Hating Jews seems to just fuel the fire.

So I wish to separate myself from the ones that wish to kill Jews and other hate crimes against humanity and ask any Jew anywhere on this planet to help me understand how you feel about these crimes and what can we do to work together and get to know one another. Understanding what it is like to be a Jew is a good start.

People have been murdering Jews for years and of course other races as well and it continues. I do recognize that fact but wish to focus on Jews right now since you all seem to be the topic of discussion everywhere.

Now, I am willing to listen and understand if you Jews are wiling to respond to this letter in your own words. I wish to know.

Granted it does give some pleasure to others to eliminate you Jews over reasons I still am trying to understand. Do you realize that if someone or group could get a nuclear or biological weapon they would use it on Israel without regard?

You Jews are marked for elimination wherever you are and only have the protection of the USA for now. But that is soon being edged away.

Defending yourselves is your right but so it is with anyone else including Palestine.

You Jews should consider sharing your lands with others and becoming two nations that work together for peace. Maybe the Arabs would take notice and even forgive the past.

But until then unfortunately you Jews will always be targets.

I am waiting for your honest response!

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

You have way too much time on your hands! Why not solve aircraft drama!Why should I? Not my job.

[gaiacomm]

Simon Stuart maybe you can answer this question:


An Open letter to Jews


With all of the hate against not just Jews but also other races it has become so confusing to understand why this is so. But I have noticed thru the years that Jews seem to always rise to the top of the hate list. I can understand this by first hand experience. Killing Jews seems to be a sport and in some cases even financially rewarding. Hating Jews seems to just fuel the fire.

So I wish to separate myself from the ones that wish to kill Jews and other hate crimes against humanity and ask any Jew anywhere on this planet to help me understand how you feel about these crimes and what can we do to work together and get to know one another. Understanding what it is like to be a Jew is a good start.

People have been murdering Jews for years and of course other races as well and it continues. I do recognize that fact but wish to focus on Jews right now since you all seem to be the topic of discussion everywhere.

Now, I am willing to listen and understand if you Jews are wiling to respond to this letter in your own words. I wish to know.

Granted it does give some pleasure to others to eliminate you Jews over reasons I still am trying to understand. Do you realize that if someone or group could get a nuclear or biological weapon they would use it on Israel without regard?

You Jews are marked for elimination wherever you are and only have the protection of the USA for now. But that is soon being edged away.

Defending yourselves is your right but so it is with anyone else including Palestine.

You Jews should consider sharing your lands with others and becoming two nations that work together for peace. Maybe the Arabs would take notice and even forgive the past.

But until then unfortunately you Jews will always be targets.

I am waiting for your honest response!


Simon Stuart can you answer this? I think not, it would mean that you would have to be yourself and answer honestly!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Notice the like techniques? IMHO, is

http://rense.com/general61/adl.htm

Fact Sheet On The ADL
The Unjust Media.com
12-30-4

The ADL is...

"...one of the ugliest, most powerful pressure groups in the U.S... Its
primary commitment is to use any technique, however dishonest and disgraceful, in
order to defame and silence and destroy anybody who dares to criticize the Holy
State ('Israel')."

-- Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of
Technology

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!I wasn't aware that Gaiacomm was into criminal activities, but if you say so, then who am I to argue? I had not discovered taht in my research so far, but since you are so very close to them, I guess you would know. If that really is the case, then yes, by all means, please do bring criminal charges against them.

[stuart_allsop]

...and a wanatbe NTSB employee (ALLSOP). he he he. LOL. The rhetoric around here is just getting so wild, lately! Not to mention the troll-fest.

[gaiacomm]

I wasn't aware that Gaiacomm was into criminal activities, but if you say so, then who am I to argue? I had not discovered taht in my research so far, but since you are so very close to them, I guess you would know. If that really is the case, then yes, by all means, please do bring criminal charges against them.



Simon says lets mix words and make statements that are misleading. Simon says lets all put our hands up, Simon says lets put our hands down, Simon says.......

[gaiacomm]

Simon some of us already know who you are where you really hail from what you do and where you surf.

Never under estimate the internet. It is a perfect tool.

I am not asking you to leave just be more considerate to others and start contributing rather than tearing apart from your point of view. You seem intelligent enough to grasp what I just wrote, maybe you can ad some value to help us learn. If not then may I suggest you find others to poke at on this forum. Please be silent, some of us wish to learn something here!

[stuart_allsop]

Simon says lets mix words and make statments that are misleading. Simons lets all put our hands up, Simon says lets put our hands down, Simon says.......Simon says that his lawyers advise that he should curtail his activity here, not answering certain people and certain posts, in order to ensure that his litigation and criminal accusations against those who are engaging in defamation and making open death treats, is highly successful.

Sorry, but that's the way it has to be.

Bye... for now.

[gaiacomm]

Simon says that his lawyers advise that he should curtail his activity here, not answering certain people and certain posts, in order to ensure that his litigation and criminal accusations against those who are engaging in defamation and making open death treats, is highly successful.

Sorry, but that's the way it has to be.

Bye... for now.


Simon send us all a copy of the Notice to Appear! This will be a landmark case on the international internet! Your advocates must be giving you a discount or bad advice if at all which I doubt is happening. I don't like Ping Pong but I do like Chess and Poker!

[gaiacomm]

Simon says that he must go, Simon says that his lawyers wish it so, Simon says that he feels threatend by ghosts, Simon says that he has run out of rants, Simon says that he must be gone, Simon says.......

[stuart_allsop]

Simon some of us already know who you are where you really hail from what you do and where you surf.I certainly hope your information is accurate. My lawyers have asked for the complete server logs, so we'll find out soon enough if you really have done what they think you have done. :)


Never under estimate the internet. It is a perfect tool.Don't overstimate it either. Like any tool, it can be used in more than one way. And liek any power tool, it can backfire on you, giving you a nasty kick, if you don't know how to use it. You may or may not be tracking what you think you are tracking. Just a friendly word to the wise. :)


I am not asking you to leaveOh, don't sweat it, Lance, I wont be leaving! I won't be PARTICIPATING much, but if I were to LEAVE then I'd be missiing out on a golden opportunity to continue accruing all this evidence! :)


You seem intelligent enough to grasp what I just wrote,And I hope you are intelligent enough to grasp the gravity of what just transpired here, not with yourself but with others here, and why I cannot comment further.


maybe you can ad some value to help us learn. If not then may I suggest you find others to poke at on this forum. Please be silent, some of us wish to learn something here!Sorry, I cannot comment on your racsist post. And yes, I will be much more silent, mostly. But I'll still be here, and so will my logs.

Have a nice day. :)

[stuart_allsop]

This will be a landmark case on the international internet! Whoever said it needed be an international case? :) Charge are usually filed and cases tried where the crime was committed.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hummm----me smells another Mossad type around here. A Mossad that is taking to flight to avoid being found out, it appears.

Perhaps a little smoother mossad friendly than this Canadian extremist.

All this Jet plane stuff with Allsops and this NTSB interest. This does not smell good.

After what all went on with 911, and the Mossad agents having a party in New Jersey while having called all the Jewish factions working at the WTC.

There have been several Jewish factions attempting to get into the ranks of NTSB and counter-terrorism units in the US. Seems like the New Jersey Gov hired an Israeli for the state's counter-terrorism specialists----then both of them seem to have been tossed out when the facts were found. They caught the Israel person lying and making up his CV. It was a huge scandal.

They have no place there after their extreme violations on WTC-911.


Now this Allsops and now a Jewish name and all these harrassment that sounds like the Mossad. All the harrassment aimed at keeping the jet plane trails rain making for acid rain effects from exposing the links to health---aluminum---GOD-proteins.

Humm------and the ultimate is the misinformation on Israel and the Jews gets exposed.

Don't worry Allsops, from Day 1 on this forum---I invited the FBI to attend. And they have been updated ever since. They like to keep an eye on me because of my national security high level information knowledge. I like it---keeps me safe.

IMHO,
is

[stuart_allsop]

Hummm----me smells another Mossad type around here. A Mossad that is taking to flight to avoid being found out, it appears.

Perhaps a little smoother mossad friendly that this Canadian extremist.

All this Jet plane stuff with Allsops and this NTSB interest. This does not smell good.

After what all went on with 911, and the Mossad agents having a party in New Jersey while having called all the Jewish factions working at the WTC.

There have been several Jewish factions attempting to get into the ranks of NTSB and counter-terrorism units in the US.

They have no place there after their extreme violations on WTC-911.

IMHO,
is
Thank you! Keep it coming. Just keep it coming... :)

[gaiacomm]

I certainly hope your information is accurate. My lawyers have asked for the complete server logs, so we'll find out soon enough if you really have done what they think you have done. :) (OK THAT IS FINE)

Don't overstimate it either. Like any tool, it can be used in more than one way. And liek any power tool, it can backfire on you, giving you a nasty kick, if you don't know how to use it. You may or may not be tracking what you think you are tracking. Just a friendly word to the wise. :)

(I THINK NOT)

Oh, don't sweat it, Lance, I wont be leaving! I won't be PARTICIPATING much, but if I were to LEAVE then I'd be missiing out on a golden opportunity to continue accruing all this evidence! :)

( I THOUGHT I WAS THE DR. OH WELL!)

And I hope you are intelligent enough to grasp the gravity of what just transpired here, not with yourself but with others here, and why I cannot comment further.
(I UNDERSTAND)

Sorry, I cannot comment on your racsist post. And yes, I will be much more silent, mostly. But I'll still be here, and so will my logs.
( MY POST IS NOT RACIST, JUST A QUESTION TO JEWS)

Have a nice day. :)

(SAME TO YOU, SIMON)

[gaiacomm]

Whoever said it needed be an international case? :) Charge are usually filed and cases tried where the crime was committed.

( WELL LET SEE, THE INTERNET IS INTERNATIONAL, SOUNDS LIKE A GEO-POLITICAL ISSUE. NOW WE MUST SEE WHICH COURT HAS JURISDICTION BEFORE YOU BEGIN)

[gaiacomm]

Thank you! Keep it coming. Just keep it coming... :)

Simon, its called freedom of speech!~

Now if you are offended by comments may I suggest you just leave!

[gaiacomm]

Simon says lets not make idle threats, Simon says lets all get along or Simon will sue, Simon says he is afraid of comments made so Simon takes offense, Simon bluffs his threats like a dog with no bite, Simon says.......

[gaiacomm]

Simon says,,,,And yes, I will be much more silent, mostly. But I'll still be here, and so will my logs.
Simon will not be able to discuss Maxwell and Gaiacomm anymore. But thats ok, that is what the website is for.

And this forum is not about Gaiacomm but about: Re: It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature!

[halva]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Business/Insurers-pay-in-year-of-disasters/2004/12/30/1104344926652.html?oneclick=true

Insurers pay in year of disasters
By Duncan Hughes
December 31, 2004


It has been the costliest year of natural disasters on record for the global insurance industry, with losses of about $52 billion even before tsunamis swept across Asia, killing tens of thousands and causing billions of dollars of damage.

In contrast, Australia's leading insurers have posted record profits as low claims, competitive pricing and strong investment returns boosted returns and transformed a stockmarket laggard into a leader.

Growing confidence yesterday that the sector would not face a surge in claims from the Asian catastrophe caused share prices to rebound from losses suffered on Wednesday when the market reopened. QBE Insurance, the biggest underwriter at Lloyd's of London, ended up 21¢ at $15.12. Australia's largest general insurer, IAG, was up 3¢ at $6.32, and Promina closed 5¢ higher at $5.33.

It is a different story for global reinsurers, the companies that accept the ultimate risk by covering insurers. They paid out claims about 250 per cent higher than the previous record as cyclones in the US, the Caribbean and Japan generated insured losses exceeding $45 billion.

The authoritative Lloyd's List produced by the Lloyd's of London reinsurance market has been quoting preliminary damage estimates of about $13 billion for the Asian crisis, with accurate analysis likely to take months.

Munich Re, one of the world's biggest reinsurers, said economic losses flowing from the natural disasters before this week's tsunamis totalled about $168 billion, nearly double the average of the past 10 years.

The year's total of about 650 natural disasters causing loss was in line with that of previous years but the scale of damage increased dramatically, partly as a result of changing weather caused by global warming.

Gerhard Berez, who has analysed the impact of natural hazards on the insurance industry for Munich Re, said: "We are at the beginning of a global process of climate change which will develop into a serious danger for future generations if we do not adopt radical measures soon at political, social and economic levels. The insurance industry can supply vital arguments and incentives."

For example, a hurricane off the Brazilian coast at the end of March that caused severe damage to buildings was the first ever recorded there. The region was previously classified as hurricane-free because water temperatures there were too low.

The year's most costly disasters - hurricanes Charley, Frances, Jeanne and Ivan - tore across the US causing damage of about $73 billion and insurance claims of $35 billion.

[stuart_allsop]

... not about Gaiacomm but about: Re: It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature!Pun intended? HAve you considered the rather humerous irony of what you posted there, given the meaning of the word "Gaia"?

[whitemajikman]

( WELL LET SEE, THE INTERNET IS INTERNATIONAL, SOUNDS LIKE A GEO-POLITICAL ISSUE. NOW WE MUST SEE WHICH COURT HAS JURISDICTION BEFORE YOU BEGIN)


Prosecution is just one way Us Mossad Types :D can deal with the Situation.......

May I suggest that Gaia look before he leaps........

It May Save his Life One Day.......

;)

WMM

[whitemajikman]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Business/Insurers-pay-in-year-of-disasters/2004/12/30/1104344926652.html?oneclick=true

Insurers pay in year of disasters
By Duncan Hughes
December 31, 2004


It has been the costliest year of natural disasters on record for the global insurance industry, with losses of about $52 billion even before tsunamis swept across Asia, killing tens of thousands and causing billions of dollars of damage.

In contrast, Australia's leading insurers have posted record profits as low claims, competitive pricing and strong investment returns boosted returns and transformed a stockmarket laggard into a leader.

Growing confidence yesterday that the sector would not face a surge in claims from the Asian catastrophe caused share prices to rebound from losses suffered on Wednesday when the market reopened. QBE Insurance, the biggest underwriter at Lloyd's of London, ended up 21¢ at $15.12. Australia's largest general insurer, IAG, was up 3¢ at $6.32, and Promina closed 5¢ higher at $5.33.

It is a different story for global reinsurers, the companies that accept the ultimate risk by covering insurers. They paid out claims about 250 per cent higher than the previous record as cyclones in the US, the Caribbean and Japan generated insured losses exceeding $45 billion.

The authoritative Lloyd's List produced by the Lloyd's of London reinsurance market has been quoting preliminary damage estimates of about $13 billion for the Asian crisis, with accurate analysis likely to take months.

Munich Re, one of the world's biggest reinsurers, said economic losses flowing from the natural disasters before this week's tsunamis totalled about $168 billion, nearly double the average of the past 10 years.

The year's total of about 650 natural disasters causing loss was in line with that of previous years but the scale of damage increased dramatically, partly as a result of changing weather caused by global warming.

Gerhard Berez, who has analysed the impact of natural hazards on the insurance industry for Munich Re, said: "We are at the beginning of a global process of climate change which will develop into a serious danger for future generations if we do not adopt radical measures soon at political, social and economic levels. The insurance industry can supply vital arguments and incentives."

For example, a hurricane off the Brazilian coast at the end of March that caused severe damage to buildings was the first ever recorded there. The region was previously classified as hurricane-free because water temperatures there were too low.

The year's most costly disasters - hurricanes Charley, Frances, Jeanne and Ivan - tore across the US causing damage of about $73 billion and insurance claims of $35 billion.


SO..............? GET USED TO IT........

Global Warming is here to stay until it runs its course or we all perish........

There Is No Reversing the Effects because they are Natural.........

The Best we can hope for is to find a way to live with it.......and adapt.........

Why Can't you get that through your Head...........

Instead of spreading worthless propaganda that makes no difference in the end result........

It's pretty easy for you to talk Global Climate Change from where you are sitting ......Greece Literally suffers no effects except for maybe rising Ocean Levels due to glacial melting......Move away from the Coast.......


Where I am sitting which is right in the middle of the the thick of things I see the effects of global warming daily.........and have learned to Adapt........just like the Inuit have learned to Adapt.......contrary to Deborah's Political Propaganda she likes to post regarding the Arctic and it's people.

Quit Being a shill for the NWO and realize your faux pas...........

Fuck are you brainless........

WMM

[Yaak]

Yaak[/b]
Please allow me, Stuart.







]I like it! Now I have something for you!


I'm waiting.

[whitemajikman]

The Need to kill Jews arises from Ignorance and False Beliefs due to Centuries of Dis-information By Bigots Like Jim Phelps...........Who do not truly understand Jews,or their history.....

But who instead fear them.......

Because of stories of conspiracy ,that are as old as moses....

lets converse Gaiacomm ,and see where you beliefs fit in to reality.......

Also take into account that a Jew is..... and always will be a Gypsy at heart.

And you know how European folk-lore treated the Gypsy..........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Pun intended? HAve you considered the rather humerous irony of what you posted there, given the meaning of the word "Gaia"?


Simon, Yes I have.

[gaiacomm]

The Need to kill Jews arises from Ignorance and False Beliefs due to Centuries of Dis-information By Bigots Like Jim Phelps...........Who do not truly understand Jews,or their history.....

But who instead fear them.......

Because of stories of conspiracy ,that are as old as moses....

lets converse Gaiacomm ,and see where you beliefs fit in to reality.......

Also take into account that a Jew is..... and always will be a Gypsy at heart.

And you know how European folk-lore treated the Gypsy..........

WMM


OK, First question, Are you a JEW?
If not then we have nothing to discuss!

[gaiacomm]

I'm waiting.


I know you are!

[gaiacomm]

Why would someone like you take a name like YAAK that is represenitive of a beautiful river in Montana and of course the falls and be so ignorant.

You should be ashamed of youeself for using something that is sacrad to the Indians of Montana and defaming it.

I assume you are aware of the legends of lore or I should say the Indian beliefs of someone that uses a name for other purposes intended.

It will be your own Karma that will deal with you when the time is right!

[gaiacomm]

yaak

yaak is a sanctuary
yaak is approximately 3000' with the highest peaks being only 7500'
yaak is home to whitetail deer
yaak is one of the coolest runs in montana
yaak is a rugged valley of grizzly bears
yaak is located in lincoln county 25 miles n of libby along highway 508 on the banks of the yaak river near the canadian border and idaho state line in nw
yaak is a vital linchpin
yaak is quite low
yaak is tight
yaak is an indian word meaning arrow
yaak is bass's environmental ground zero
yaak is the kootenai word for bow and was the native american word for the kootenai river while the yaak river was called the aak
yaak is more important
yaak is a fair sized tributary of the kootenai river and enters the river at the yaak campground
yaak is where my children and i together
yaak is a biological
yaak is montana's northernmost town
yaak is the latest step in his activist campaign
yaak is a singular place
yaak is the west fork yaak river
yaak is full of his passion for the place
yaak is an idiom whose meaning is not predictable if viewed simply as a
yaak is published twice a year
yaak is wonderful
yaak is part of their territory
yaak is in pretty good shape
yaak is a very remote community in the northwestern corner of montana
yaak is located
yaak is a cornerstone of the grizzly's survival in the lower forty
yaak is flooding
yaak is facing decisions that will affect the future of residents and the environment they love and
yaak is a peninsula
yaak is located in the northwest corner of montana
yaak is used to "want" a verb/action
yaak is not saved
yaak is like the mysterious
yaak is largely crown land with the exception of the moyie and kootenay river valleys
yaak is absolutely beautiful
yaak is a compilation of essays by 36 of the country=s leading essayists
yaak is expected to crest just slightly above the flood stage of 8

[gaiacomm]

Your turn:http://com4.runboard.com/control_panel|checkout=whitemajikman

[gaiacomm]

and this

http://com4.runboard.com/bfarfrontiers.forum09.t7

[gaiacomm]

and this

whitemajikman@yahoo.com

[gaiacomm]

and

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SiKHMcW_cFcJ:www.chemtrailcentral.c om/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001723-2.html+whitemajikman&hl=en

[whitemajikman]

OK, First question, Are you a JEW?
If not then we have nothing to discuss!


Born in Brooklyn......

Now residing in Canada.

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Born in Brooklyn......

Now residing in Canada.

WMM


But are you a Jew?

[gaiacomm]

and

http://p211.ezboard.com/bchemtrails.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whitemajikma n

[gaiacomm]

Yaak and him'

http://p211.ezboard.com/bchemtrails.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whitemajikma n

[gaiacomm]

and

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:WLK0rNobUvEJ:chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi%3Fboard%3DFight%26num%3D1073471672%26act ion%3Ddisplay%26start%3D15+whitemajikman&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

and

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:b7Y-AWEC9zwJ:chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi%3Fboard%3DFight%26num%3D1073471672%26act ion%3Ddisplay%26start%3D45+whitemajikman&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

and

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:16lch2nQKYUJ:www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm%3Fid%3D568625%26CategoryID%3D305441%2 6ThreadID%3D1379683+whitemajikman&hl=en

[whitemajikman]

So whats your point with posting some of my older post's.........?

And my E-mail Address........?


which any buddy could get by googling me....

WMM

[gaiacomm]

and
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:4VIBfdos0JEJ:pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.html+whitemajikman&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

Were you an Alter Boy?

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ABCiT3tiZSYJ:mahatmarandy.com/forum/topic.asp%3FTOPIC_ID%3D80%26whichpage%3D2+whitemaj ikman&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

So whats your point with posting some of my older post's.........?

And my E-mail Address........?


which any buddy could get by googling me....

WMM


Because I can, and it makes me feel good!

Its what I can't post about you that we know that is frustrating! There are laws you know...but laws can be bent a bit to serve a purpose and as long as there is no harm done and malicious intent then maybe....

[whitemajikman]

I think you are having problems with Distinguishing JEWS from RADICAL ZIONISTS...........

and are assuming that I am Being hypocritical......

Maybe you should some of my Work.....It Might enlighten you.....

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Sometimes its good to look at the past to help profile!

[gaiacomm]

This one is interesting:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:LpwGpEiW2gsJ:whitemajikman.proboard s20.com/index.cgi+whitemajikman&hl=en

[whitemajikman]

Because I can, and it makes me feel good!

Its what I can't post about you that we know that is frustrating! There are laws you know...but laws can be bent a bit to serve a purpose and as long as there is no harm done and malicious intent then maybe....


You Have My Permission .......

Post Away.......

WMM

[gaiacomm]

I think you are having problems with Distinguishing JEWS from RADICAL ZIONISTS...........

and are assuming that I am Being hypocritical......

Maybe you should some of my Work.....It Might enlighten you.....

WMM


I have read it and it is quite good. Why not post your favorite for others to read!

[gaiacomm]

I see that you and Yaak and Simon are quite a threesome. I always do my homework!

[whitemajikman]

Also what makes you think I don't have the Skinny on you.......

If Chess is your game then lets play........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

whitemajikman Maybe you can answer this... pawn move forward one square....



An Open letter to Jews


With all of the hate against not just Jews but also other races it has become so confusing to understand why this is so. But I have noticed thru the years that Jews seem to always rise to the top of the hate list. I can understand this by first hand experience. Killing Jews seems to be a sport and in some cases even financially rewarding. Hating Jews seems to just fuel the fire.

So I wish to separate myself from the ones that wish to kill Jews and other hate crimes against humanity and ask any Jew anywhere on this planet to help me understand how you feel about these crimes and what can we do to work together and get to know one another. Understanding what it is like to be a Jew is a good start.

People have been murdering Jews for years and of course other races as well and it continues. I do recognize that fact but wish to focus on Jews right now since you all seem to be the topic of discussion everywhere.

Now, I am willing to listen and understand if you Jews are wiling to respond to this letter in your own words. I wish to know.

Granted it does give some pleasure to others to eliminate you Jews over reasons I still am trying to understand. Do you realize that if someone or group could get a nuclear or biological weapon they would use it on Israel without regard?

You Jews are marked for elimination wherever you are and only have the protection of the USA for now. But that is soon being edged away.

Defending yourselves is your right but so it is with anyone else including Palestine.

You Jews should consider sharing your lands with others and becoming two nations that work together for peace. Maybe the Arabs would take notice and even forgive the past.

But until then unfortunately you Jews will always be targets.

I am waiting for your honest response!

[whitemajikman]

I have read it and it is quite good. Why not post your favorite for others to read!


I will Post my favorite......

But first which one was your favorite.........Since we are being honest with each other......


WMM

[gaiacomm]

Also what makes you think I don't have the Skinny on you.......

If Chess is your game then lets play........

WMM


Fine by me! I made the first move above!

[whitemajikman]

whitemajikman Maybe you can answer this... pawn move forward one square....



An Open letter to Jews


With all of the hate against not just Jews but also other races it has become so confusing to understand why this is so. But I have noticed thru the years that Jews seem to always rise to the top of the hate list. I can understand this by first hand experience. Killing Jews seems to be a sport and in some cases even financially rewarding. Hating Jews seems to just fuel the fire.

So I wish to separate myself from the ones that wish to kill Jews and other hate crimes against humanity and ask any Jew anywhere on this planet to help me understand how you feel about these crimes and what can we do to work together and get to know one another. Understanding what it is like to be a Jew is a good start.

People have been murdering Jews for years and of course other races as well and it continues. I do recognize that fact but wish to focus on Jews right now since you all seem to be the topic of discussion everywhere.

Now, I am willing to listen and understand if you Jews are wiling to respond to this letter in your own words. I wish to know.

Granted it does give some pleasure to others to eliminate you Jews over reasons I still am trying to understand. Do you realize that if someone or group could get a nuclear or biological weapon they would use it on Israel without regard?

You Jews are marked for elimination wherever you are and only have the protection of the USA for now. But that is soon being edged away.

Defending yourselves is your right but so it is with anyone else including Palestine.

You Jews should consider sharing your lands with others and becoming two nations that work together for peace. Maybe the Arabs would take notice and even forgive the past.

But until then unfortunately you Jews will always be targets.

I am waiting for your honest response!


Because The Zionist's want it that way........

It does wonders for their Anti-semitic Trump Card......

Is that Honest enough For You.....
WMM

[gaiacomm]

Because The Zionist's want it that way........

It does wonders for their Anti-semitic Trump Card......

Is that Honest enough For You.....
WMM

Yes, it is.

[gaiacomm]

I will Post my favorite......

But first which one was your favorite.........Since we are being honest with each other......


WMM


I never kiss and tell.... so enlighten me!

[whitemajikman]

Now here is one for you.....

Whom Does the Zionist's Truly serve......?


WMM

[gaiacomm]

Because The Zionist's want it that way........

It does wonders for their Anti-semitic Trump Card......

Is that Honest enough For You.....
WMM


What do the Zionists wish?

[whitemajikman]

I never kiss and tell.... so enlighten me!


My Favorite Is where I proved Beyond a reasonable Doubt That The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion Was Being Implemented since The Fall Of Nicholas.........


But Lets Be honest Here......

No one wishes to know the Truth about Such Matters because of the Religious and moral Implications that Would effect Modern society if the truth Be Known.......

WMM

[gaiacomm]

My Favorite Is where I proved Beyond a reasonable Doubt That The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion Was Being Implemented since The Fall Of Nicholas.........


But Lets Be honest Here......

No one wishes to know the Truth about Such Matters because of the Religious and moral Implications that Would effect Modern society if the truth Be Known.......

WMM


I do! I am very thristy for truth!

I did read this per your recommendation:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

[whitemajikman]

What do the Zionists wish?

Well Presently The Zionist's are at war with each Other,Due to who they truly serve..........

Is It Dubya......Or Is It Prince Charles.........?

Which one is the Lesser evil.........

Which one will prevail ..........


WMM

[whitemajikman]

I do! I am very thristy for truth!

I did read this per your recommendation:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/


I Am Glad you liked it.........It was Site I helped Create......

Full Of Truth .......

WMM

[gaiacomm]

You have good points! I like your thoughts.

Quote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In "all powerfulness and omnipotence", can God create a rock so big and heavy for him/her/it to lift?

[gaiacomm]

I Am Glad you liked it.........It was Site I helped Create......

Full Of Truth .......

WMM


You are a very smart person and should be reconized for your beliefs.

I am still reading thru that site. It is truth!

[gaiacomm]

Well Presently The Zionist's are at war with each Other,Due to who they truly serve..........

Is It Dubya......Or Is It Prince Charles.........?

Which one is the Lesser evil.........

Which one will prevail ..........


WMM

We should consider forming an alliance someday to spread the word!

[gaiacomm]

whitemajikman now that I understand you, please accept my apologies if I have ever offended you!

[whitemajikman]

You See Gaia ,I am A Man With Many facets,Not afraid of my past or my future........

There many things that you have said that makes sense ......

Like People tolerating and understanding one another,no matter what their religion,color or creed......

Many of my Debunker friends know the Truth.....But also Know that they are Helpless to do anything about it........

Because the Grande Conspiracy is to broad and to engrained to have any effect at all.....

Unless of course people were to wake up to what is really going on.........

but the problem with that is human nature ,and also that the Grande Conspiracy is drowned in other Conspiracy ........

So most are not looking at the Big picture and what is truly transpiring........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Overpopulation VS. Depopulation
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is not a single country that does not suffer from some form of over population.

I am starting this thread because quite honestly The people of the world need to realize several things which include:

1)How Over-population Effects the entire world.

2)How Over-population has become a burden on our natural resources and our future economic and Political relationships globally.

3)How Over-population Is looked upon by our respective governments as a problem which needs and is being dealt with,not just by birth-limits or education but is being dealt with sometimes through more unscrupulous means......

Here is just one article to consider,and it is my hope to keep this thread going by adding more.......

I am a bit strapped for time today,and will continue this a.s.a.p........

WMM

Top-secret files recently declassified from the National Archives of Australia, despite government opposition, has revealed that one of the fathers of modern biotechnology and genetic engineering advocated using biological weapons against Indonesia and other "overpopulated" countries of South-East Asia. Australia's The Age reports that world-famous microbiologist Sir Macfarlane Burnet recommended in a secret report for the Australian Defence Department in 1947 that biological and chemical weapons should be developed to target food crops and spread infectious diseases.

Macfarlane, who won the Nobel Prize for medicine in 1960 and died in 1985, said, "Specifically to the Australian situation, the most effective counter-offensive to threatened invasion by overpopulated Asiatic countries would be directed towards the destruction by biological or chemical means of tropical food crops and the dissemination of infectious disease capable of spreading in tropical, but not under Australian, conditions."

Before a government committee in 1948, Macfarlane said, "In a country of low sanitation the introduction of an exotic intestinal pathogen, e.g. by water contamination, might initiate widespread dissemination." He advised that, "Introduction of yellow fever into a country with appropriate mosquito vectors might build up into a disabling epidemic before control measures were established." The committee recommended that "the possibilities of an attack on the food supplies of S-E Asia and Indonesia using biowarfare agents should be considered by a small study group".

Outlining the benefits of the population elimination program, Macfarlane said, "Its use has the tremendous advantage of not destroying the enemy's industrial potential, which can then be taken over intact." While the idea of depopulation by chemical means for strategic purposes may seem outrageous, other strategic de-population policies are currently being practised throughout the world under the cover of population control.

The official policy of the U.S. regarding population control in foreign policy is spelled out in U.S. National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSM 200), written by Henry Kissinger. NSSM 200, subtitled "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests," warned that increasing populations in developing countries threatened U.S. strategic, economic, and military interests. It suggested that competition from new world powers would rise when developing nations had sufficient populations to utilize their national resources to their full potential.

Thus in order to ensure U.S. strategic, economic, and military interest, at the expense of developing countries, it proposed population control to address potential population growth and specifically targeted 13 countries whose growing populations suggested coming power. The report spelled out a plan to bring about "a two-child family on the average" throughout the world "by about the year 2000." Interestingly, NSSM 200 went into detail about avoiding U.S. responsibility for population-control programs by ensuring that the UN and international financial institutions such as the IMF and World Bank adopt population-control policies as prerequisites to their giving of aid. The report suggested furthering the camouflage by mandating that countries accepting aid from the UN or the banks form their own population-control ministries.

NSSM 200 also noted that the U.S. government played "an important role in establishing the United Nations Fund for Population Activities to spearhead a multilateral effort in population as a complement to the bilateral actions of AID and other donor countries." It added that "with a greater commitment of bank resources and improved consultation with AID and UNFPA, a much greater dent could be made on the overall problem." Moreover, the report asserts that "mandatory programs may be needed and that we should be considering these possibilities now."

It remains to be seen whether the Bush administration will be the first since 1974 to officially repudiate the official U.S. government policy to reduce Third World population.






"Of all the enemies to public Liberty,War is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it compromises and develops the germ of every other.No Nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual Warfare."

[gaiacomm]

Eugenics practiced by any person or group of persons is one of the most evil concepts to be found in human thinking. It is God who decides who will live or die--and "only He" has the right to decide this. As it is, as a matter of daily life, we begin dieing from the very first day of our birth because of illnesses and imperfections inherited from our first parents, Adam and Eve, each generation becoming less perfect and less healthy as time goes on. Modern medicine has helped somewhat in relieving some of the physical misery we live with, but generally, our generation is less healthy than our mother's and father's was, and their's less healthy than their mother's and father's was, etc. etc.--the more further removed from Adam's perfection we are by generation, the less perfect and less healthy we are and the shorter the lives we live (believe it or not, Adam actually DID live to be 930 years old, and in a second, I'll tell you scripturally how we can tell that is true). We were all born AFTER Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating of the fruit of a tree that He commanded them not to. It was a simple test of loyalty to God and appreciation for everything they had been given up to then. They were not in want of anything. God had provided everything they needed for their physical health and wellbeing. They didn't even have to till the ground for it. It was provided by God in HIS power (not theirs) and grew in plain sight for their taking and eating. It wasn't until AFTER they disobeyed God that he threw them out of the garden and said that they would then have to begin tilling the ground and produce their own food "in the sweat of their brow." They had showed such disregard and unthankfulness for all that God had provided for them, that it was no longer available to them "just for the taking" anymore. They had to produce it on their own at great cost and physical exertion to themselves. That is how it has been down to our present day. Only now, we have the farm conglomerates run by the governments and the corporations producing everything for us, and basically we have to accept it how it is served to us, with all its contaminants, antibiotics, radiation, and genetic modification. Compared to the rich and lavish food supply that God provided for our first parents, we don't get a tiny fraction of the nutrients that we should get to maintain our health to any great degree, and we get it containing all the contaminants that have been spread around our earth.

God told Adam and Eve, "In the DAY you eat from the tree in the center of the garden that I have commanded you NOT to eat from", in that "DAY", YOU WILL POSITIVELY DIE." Simply stated they were told by their heavenly Creator and Father (who knows what is best for them, since He was the one who created them) not to do something (like any parent might do with their children). Then the "original serpent" (the one called Devil and Satan" (see Rev. 12:9) imposed himself on their perfect life in paradise and claimed that God had lied to them, that they would positively NOT die and that the fruit that God had told them not to eat was good for food and that it would cause them to be like God knowing the difference between good and evil (judging from what you see happening around you in this world on a daily basis, does it really look like the majority of us know the difference between good and evil?--be honest, now, in answering this--basically most of us do have some concept of this, because we were created in God's image having some concept of good and evil, but it is generally circumvented by the greedy and the hateful of us to the detriment of us all). Back then, Satan implied that God (by laying that one small restriction on them) was keeping something good from them. Satan told them something that was diametrically 180 degrees in the other direction of what God had already said to them. This makes Satan a liar and a subverter of the truth, and he still manifests those qualities to this very day, and takes all of humankind he can influence with him down in his lies. That is why, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." The equation here then is this SIN = DEATH, and that is why we all die eventually. Our first parents, Adam and Eve, had everything they needed on a perfect earth and were commanded to tend the earth and its animal creation with care, procreate, and spread this earthly paradise over the whole planet. But they chose instead to believe the great lie that Satan (the serpent) handed to them. We are STILL living with the results of that lie to this very day. But all is not lost. That is where Jesus comes into the picture. Without his sacrificial death and the shedding of his perfect body and blood, we would have no hope. It is through this one-time sacrifice of His son that He is going to bring us and the earth all back to perfection again. It has been promised and it IS going to happen.
Now for proof that Adam lived to be 930 years--when our first parents ate of that tree they were told not to eat from, God said, "In that DAY you will positively die." (Mind you also, He did NOT say, "well you did exactly what I told you not to do, so come on up here to heaven with me anyway." This pretty much drops on its head the theory that everbody goes to heaven when they die. Rather He said "You will positively die, and for dust you are and to dust you will return."--in other words, for your disobedience you will go back to the ground you were taken from--and isn't that where we really go, back into the ground we were taken from, awaiting the future resurrection that Jesus has promised us? We were not created to be angels, we are God's "earthly" creation, and on the earth is where we belong--on the paradise earth he provided for us originally). OK so, back to "in that DAY you will positively die." At 2Peter 3:8, it says "that one day is with Jehovah (God) as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." So a DAY to God is like a thousand years to us. Just as a child's concept of time is longer than an adult's (for example, who hasn't heard a child say numerous times during a long car journey "Are we there yet?"), a day to God seems like a thousand years to us humans. Adam died when he was 930 years old, 70 years within that "1,000-year Day" in which God said he would die if he ate that fruit. God keeps all His pronouncements to us. When He says something will happen, it happens without fail! That goes for the promises He makes for the future of the earth and all of us too. So in speaking about the evil intents of some men to impose Eugenics upon the earth, they had better be aware that God has a mass extermination planned also to rid the earth of all the wicked (as mentioned in a previous post at Psalm 37). He has the right to do so. And He does so for the benefit of the righteous, those whose heart is right toward Him and who worship Him in spirit and truth. In His great justice, and in His hurt and anger over all that He sees being done here on our earth (especially in the name of organized religion, government and economics), he will make the earth again a paradise, and those He saves through the coming tribulation and those He resurrects from the dead during Jesus thousand-year reign (there's that number "thousand" again) can only benefit from having had the wicked destroyed as promised. It won't be something that we humans will have to do ourselves, it will happen as part of God's promised justice for the earth. Of course, we can sensibly and responsibly limit the size of one's family voluntarily (using any number of birth control methods WITHOUT the use of abortive measures, and for single unmarried people, this means complete abstinence, and for those of us who are married, it means using reliable birth control methods--this agrees scripturally with God's command to not only "fill" the earth, but also to "subdue" it), and this could help to control a few things earthwide until that time comes soon, but REAL solutions will only come through what God has promised.

[whitemajikman]

whitemajikman now that I understand you, please accept my apologies if I have ever offended you!

Apologies Accepted.....

I too apologize for my arrogance,and attacks on you.......

We are not that much different......

And I will take you up on spreading the Word......you can be sure of that.........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

whitemajikman I am part of a "Blue Lodge".. I thought you would like to know!

I do have trouble sometimes with my reform of the Lodge to serve its intended purpose!

[gaiacomm]

Apologies Accepted.....

I too apologize for my arrogance,and attacks on you.......

We are not that much different......

And I will take you up on spreading the Word......you can be sure of that.........

WMM


Thank you!

[gaiacomm]

This is interesting:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Proof is not faith, and faith is not proof. What you have faith in may well be totaly true, but if you can PROVE it, it ceases to be faith, and becomes knowledge, which is spiritually speaking a different thing altogether. As Paul later say, as part of an anti-jamsian poisen pen letter, "By grace are we saved through FAITH." Faith saves you, knowledge does not.

[whitemajikman]

There is another B.S.E case reported in Canada........

Since 2000.....

Terrorism

Sars

B.S.E

ManMade Globalwarming

And many other threats have emerged.........

None are what they seem......

Sars for example was released into the vents in a Hong Kong Hotel........Which caused the first known cases.......The Culprits and their agenda have never been Publicized......


Another Zionist threat which emerged in 2004 was the Capture of 2 Israeli spies in New Zealand trying to get into france........

Knowing how the Zionist's operate in Teams of 3 ,they did manage to create Ant-semitism in France in the hopes of motivating French Jews to Emigrate........

Luckily Our Friends over their were not blinded to what was transpiring......

WMM

[jayreynolds]

Con't--

So, as previously stated the G-protein effect was recognized at ORNL early in in the mid-80's. And the issue of fluorine and aluminum forming G-protein mimics that would lock up these dendritic cell bonding sites and never let go.

Now, the real interesting thing is the fellow that was doing the G-protein research was kinda religious and he recognized the high signifcance of what he found. So, the G in the term G-protein was GOD. The G-protein fellow that discovered the effect recognize that this effect was extremely important to human existance.

And the rest is history, after that association all the issues of religion were mapped out at ORNL, all the issues of god being made for Man's purposes and the more innocent of God issues linked to Christ.


Names, Jimbo, Names. We musthave names, not just "the fellow".
If you aren't willing to name names, you aren't a whistleblower.
You are just a smokeblower blowing smoke up people's ass.

[gaiacomm]

There is another B.S.E case reported in Canada........

Since 2000.....

Terrorism

Sars

B.S.E

ManMade Globalwarming

And many other threats have emerged.........

None are what they seem......

Sars for example was released into the vents in a Hong Kong Hotel........Which caused the first known cases.......The Culprits and their agenda have never been Publicized......


Another Zionist threat which emerged in 2004 was the Capture of 2 Israeli spies in New Zealand trying to get into france........

Knowing how the Zionist's operate in Teams of 3 ,they did manage to create Ant-semitism in France in the hopes of motivating French Jews to Emigrate........

Luckily Our Friends over their were not blinded to what was transpiring......

WMM


Interesting!

[whitemajikman]

The Problem Gaia,is that with all the secret societies,most have no clue of what it is they are exactly supporting ........

The war which is being fought is because Dubya was not suppose to gain the reigns of power in the U.S. Due to him turning his back on his Free-masonic Brethern Years earlier when he Converted to Born-again Christianity ,which caused a rift between North America And European Free-Masons.....

While I am Not 33rd Degree I am close.......And Know many others who are......

Dubya is the only thing standing between Charles and Global Domination........

And I hope you realize that by me being honest with you it is causing me to be looked upon by My debunker friends as Just another Kook Conspiracy Nut........

But if you belong to the Blue Lodge then I think you know of some of what I am saying to be fact.....

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Names, Jimbo, Names. We musthave names, not just "the fellow".
If you aren't willing to name names, you aren't a whistleblower.
You are just a smokeblower blowing smoke up people's ass.

Jay Have you ever looked into the address Jim Cites on his Website as being Home to him.......

If Memory serves me correctly and I am not Mistaken it is a Psychiatric Facility.......

In His Home Town........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

The Problem Gaia,is that with all the secret societies,most have no clue of what it is they are exactly supporting ........

The war which is being fought is because Dubya was not suppose to gain the reigns of power in the U.S. Due to him turning his back on his Free-masonic Brethern Years earlier when he Converted to Born-again Christianity ,which caused a rift between North America And European Free-Masons.....

While I am Not 33rd Degree I am close.......And Know many others who are......

Dubya is the only thing standing between Charles and Global Domination........

And I hope you realize that by me being honest with you it is causing me to be looked upon by My debunker friends as Just another Kook Conspiracy Nut........

But if you belong to the Blue Lodge then I think you know of some of what I am saying to be fact.....

WMM


I understand! We should not discuss the Blue Lodge on the internet.

This may help you: Strange times are those in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school.
And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool¦
Plato

[whitemajikman]

I understand! We should not discuss the Blue Lodge on the internet.

This may help you: Strange times are those in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school.
And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool¦
Plato


Wise words ........now .......as they were then.

WMM

[Yaak]

Why would someone like you take a name like YAAK that is represenitive of a beautiful river in Montana and of course the falls and be so ignorant.

You should be ashamed of youeself for using something that is sacrad to the Indians of Montana and defaming it.

I assume you are aware of the legends of lore or I should say the Indian beliefs of someone that uses a name for other purposes intended.

It will be your own Karma that will deal with you when the time is right!
You do not have even the vaguest idea of what I am like or what you are talking about. Regardless of who you are, and through no fault of your own, you are not capable of understanding. I have become part of the Yaak and the Yaak is part of me. The Yaak has nothing to do with, and wants nothing to do with, the white man. You were correct about one thing: the Yaak is sacred. As usual, though, the white man is destroying it, slowly and painfully killing it with his poisons. They keep shooting the grizzlies, too. You mentioned "bass." That's Rick Bass. See what he has to say. Then check out Doug Peacock.

There, now, the folks reading this have been given a glimpse of what I really am (as their eyes widen and they take a step backward), and I become a little wilder everyday.

[whitemajikman]

You do not have even the vaguest idea of what I am like or what you are talking about. Regardless of who you are, and through no fault of your own, you are not capable of understanding. I have become part of the Yaak and the Yaak is part of me. The Yaak has nothing to do with, and wants nothing to do with, the white man. You were correct about one thing: the Yaak is sacred. As usual, though, the white man is destroying it, slowly and painfully killing it with his poisons. They keep shooting the grizzlies, too. You mentioned "bass." That's Rick Bass. See what he has to say. Then check out Doug Peacock.

There, now, the folks reading this have been given a glimpse of what I really am (as their eyes widen and they take a step backward), and I become a little wilder everyday.

Ahem To that.......just kidding Ed .......

Gaia Ed is a good Soul ......and afraid of nothing especially the Truth.........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

You do not have even the vaguest idea of what I am like or what you are talking about. Regardless of who you are, and through no fault of your own, you are not capable of understanding. I have become part of the Yaak and the Yaak is part of me. The Yaak has nothing to do with, and wants nothing to do with, the white man. You were correct about one thing: the Yaak is sacred. As usual, though, the white man is destroying it, slowly and painfully killing it with his poisons. They keep shooting the grizzlies, too. You mentioned "bass." That's Rick Bass. See what he has to say. Then check out Doug Peacock.

There, now, the folks reading this have been given a glimpse of what I really am (as their eyes widen and they take a step backward), and I become a little wilder everyday.


Ed,

Yaak, Lets reason together. I now see the network forming between us all. We are all seeking the truth, so lets all work together and share each others attributes to form a team
of "superheros". (smile) I have always felt that the lands were stolen by the "white man" from the Indians of each land and has destroyed the foundation of the Gaia. But we as it caretakers have a responsibility to right the wrongs!

I also aplogize to you Yaak if I have offended you in any way!

[gaiacomm]

I wonder if Simon Stuart also will walk with us! Maybe even JR and company and Wayne!

[whitemajikman]

I wonder if Simon Stuart also will walk with us! Maybe even JR and company and Wayne!

I think That there is a Good Chance that they may,Considering for most of them Striving for the TRUTH Is a central part of their lives already and in many cases righting the falsehoods as J.R. does for example.

They each have their own Style.............which makes them unique.

Stuart with his Arrogance, and Unwavering Ability to Debunk Most Falsehoods With a Unique Passion For Factual Detail which if one were on the wrong side of it could find brutal...............Thats Experience Talking..........

For If anything Stuart Is indeed a Brilliant Man.

J.R. does what he Does because he Genuinely cares for people,especially people he finds in denial of the TRUTH and especially hates people who are promoting and or Profiting in some way from a Hoax.

It's Tough Love But Love All the Same.

YaaK Is Also a Man Who Strives for The Truth,And is not scared to Admit when he is in Error,He has my Deepest Respect and friendship.

Then there is most of the Regular posters at Mav's and many at CTC and Cliff's which are also interested in striving for the Truth..........

If Halva and Deborah would quit going in Circles I would Even include Them in the List.......... :p

The Problem though for almost everyone is of course there is to much denial and to much history for anybody to stand back and realize that we all want the same thing ......which is .....

FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE TRUTH.......

So I Think we are in uncharted territory here when it comes to our own Humility and how we can do something commonly that would never be attempted otherwise.

And thats Communicate without fear of reprisal's.........

Maybe there Is hope for Mankind Yet.......

WMM

[halva]

I wonder if Simon Stuart also will walk with us! Maybe even JR and company and Wayne!

Gaiacomm for me this thread is a climate change newsboard and I will continue using it as such even if to do so I have to delete-list you along with all the other deleted people you have been talking to for the last umpteen pages.

[whitemajikman]

Gaiacomm for me this thread is a climate change newsboard and I will continue using it as such even if to do so I have to delete-list you along with all the other deleted people you have been talking to for the last umpteen pages.


There you go again talking like a Parrot.......

How long will you live in denial Of THE TRUTH ............?

You are Starting to talk in circles.......

And Making childish threats you can't keep..........

You IGNORE NO ONE..........

Thats a FACT........

WMM

[halva]

We should consider forming an alliance someday to spread the word!

Gaiacomm, who is the 'we' that you refer to here?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva:

"Gaiacomm, who is the 'we' that you refer to here?"

==========

Sounds like ole Gaia is speaking of the secret society types, the Masons especially, of which he is sounding like a member.

Either of which is not so good, as Masons here tend to attempt to force their version of the world upon others. And their version is not based in full truth. Their ways in full evidence here appear to be in the radical extreme.

If Masons were true to their credo and study of Egypt and alchemy, they would all have to publically admit the issues of god connected with the Star icon, and the association of man creating god for his purposes. And the inner (dual) meaning for the Mason symbolism of the "Creation" painting, that was made by a premier stone mason in Italy.

The Masons white washing the truth for their purpose is a large part of the problems. And it appears a huge part of the problems here. Masons here are after cover up of truth.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

I thought that Gaiacomm had ignore-listed the debunkers.

Perhaps it was just Raynolds he disposed of.

Who knows, he may have reinstated Raynolds too.

I gather from the quotations that Gaiacomm is engaged with someone propounding apocalyptic scenarios of Dubya vs Prince Charles.

And to think that it was less than a year ago that Gaiacomm was leading us to believe he sought participation as our representative in a serious scientific seminar here in Greece.

[Yaak]

gaiacomm:



Yaak, Lets reason together. I now see the network forming between us all. We are all seeking the truth, so lets all work together and share each others attributes to form a team
of "superheros". (smile) I have always felt that the lands were stolen by the "white man" from the Indians of each land and has destroyed the foundation of the Gaia. But we as it caretakers have a responsibility to right the wrongs!

I also aplogize to you Yaak if I have offended you in any way!You did not offend me and owe me no apology, gaiacomm. I spend most of my time dishing it out, so I have no problem taking it when a little is returned. I do try to flavor most of my posts with humor, though.

I have no grand illisions of saving the world. It is difficult enough just trying to get people to tell the truth on Internet message boards. Any of you that think hoaxes are harmless take a look at this: http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2836.topic

[jayreynolds]

Jay Reynolds latest diatribe set:
"Also, name your supervisor who was in charge when you invented haarp and "chemtrails", which are other claims you have made."
========

Jim Phelps response:
National Labs don't use this "Supervisor" title stuff. The ORNL "Degree'd Professional Design Staff" is called the "Development Staff" and charged with designing, inventing things of need, and related research. The next level up is "Group Leader," next level is "Section Head," then "Division Head," then "Labratory Director."

I never had a supervisor. Scientists don't have supervisors. Real science can't really even be managed--so they avoid the term totally.

HEY, JIMBO. CAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE, OLD BUDDY!


FROM: THE OAKRIDGER ONLINE
OPINION, by JIM PHELPS
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:26UW7GxMnA4J:www.oakridger.com/stories/020299/opE_0202990035.html++site:www.oakridger.com+%22160 0+Buttercup+Circle%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
"I had three ORNL supervisors"

Yep, got the old piggy Jimbo trussed up in his web of lies, and now the knife gets stuck in the vein. It's time for him to squeal.

Jimbo, now what are we supposed to believe, the Jim Phelps that writes to his community about his "I had three ORNL supervisors" or the ariannaonline Jim Phelps who says "I never had a supervisor."?

Or is it correct to say that Jim Phelps lied about his career cleaning glassware at ORNL, and is not to be believed when he says anything?
Let's hear him squeal his way out of this!

[gaiacomm]

I think That there is a Good Chance that they may,Considering for most of them Striving for the TRUTH Is a central part of their lives already and in many cases righting the falsehoods as J.R. does for example.

They each have their own Style.............which makes them unique.

Stuart with his Arrogance, and Unwavering Ability to Debunk Most Falsehoods With a Unique Passion For Factual Detail which if one were on the wrong side of it could find brutal...............Thats Experience Talking..........

For If anything Stuart Is indeed a Brilliant Man.

J.R. does what he Does because he Genuinely cares for people,especially people he finds in denial of the TRUTH and especially hates people who are promoting and or Profiting in some way from a Hoax.

It's Tough Love But Love All the Same.

YaaK Is Also a Man Who Strives for The Truth,And is not scared to Admit when he is in Error,He has my Deepest Respect and friendship.

Then there is most of the Regular posters at Mav's and many at CTC and Cliff's which are also interested in striving for the Truth..........

If Halva and Deborah would quit going in Circles I would Even include Them in the List.......... :p

The Problem though for almost everyone is of course there is to much denial and to much history for anybody to stand back and realize that we all want the same thing ......which is .....

FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE TRUTH.......

So I Think we are in uncharted territory here when it comes to our own Humility and how we can do something commonly that would never be attempted otherwise.

And thats Communicate without fear of reprisal's.........

Maybe there Is hope for Mankind Yet.......

WMM


Yes, I see!

[gaiacomm]

Gaiacomm for me this thread is a climate change newsboard and I will continue using it as such even if to do so I have to delete-list you along with all the other deleted people you have been talking to for the last umpteen pages.


Ok, I understand.

[gaiacomm]

Gaiacomm, who is the 'we' that you refer to here?

All who are of the TRUTH and seek more!

[gaiacomm]

Halva:

"Gaiacomm, who is the 'we' that you refer to here?"

==========

Sounds like ole Gaia is speaking of the secret society types, the Masons especially, of which he is sounding like a member.

Either of which is not so good, as Masons here tend to attempt to force their version of the world upon others. And their version is not based in full truth. Their ways in full evidence here appear to be in the radical extreme.

If Masons were true to their credo and study of Egypt and alchemy, they would all have to publically admit the issues of god connected with the Star icon, and the association of man creating god for his purposes. And the inner (dual) meaning for the Mason symbolism of the "Creation" painting, that was made by a premier stone mason in Italy.

The Masons white washing the truth for their purpose is a large part of the problems. And it appears a huge part of the problems here. Masons here are after cover up of truth.

IMHO,
is

Yes, you are correct. Being part of something does not make it wrong, as long as your intent is true!

[gaiacomm]

I thought that Gaiacomm had ignore-listed the debunkers.

Perhaps it was just Raynolds he disposed of.

Who knows, he may have reinstated Raynolds too.

I gather from the quotations that Gaiacomm is engaged with someone propounding apocalyptic scenarios of Dubya vs Prince Charles.

And to think that it was less than a year ago that Gaiacomm was leading us to believe he sought participation as our representative in a serious scientific seminar here in Greece.


I still am active but from another less public angle.

[gaiacomm]

gaiacomm:
You did not offend me and owe me no apology, gaiacomm. I spend most of my time dishing it out, so I have no problem taking it when a little is returned. I do try to flavor most of my posts with humor, though.

I have no grand illisions of saving the world. It is difficult enough just trying to get people to tell the truth on Internet message boards. Any of you that think hoaxes are harmless take a look at this: http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2836.topic


There was some good data on those links. There are always diamonds in the mud to be found!

[jayreynolds]

HEY, JIMBO. CAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE, OLD BUDDY!



Yep, got the old piggy Jimbo trussed up in his web of lies, and now the knife gets stuck in the vein. It's time for him to squeal.

Jimbo, now what are we supposed to believe, the Jim Phelps that writes to his community about his "I had three ORNL supervisors" or the ariannaonline Jim Phelps who says "I never had a supervisor."?

Or is it correct to say that Jim Phelps lied about his career cleaning glassware at ORNL, and is not to be believed when he says anything?
Let's hear him squeal his way out of this!

Jimbo?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh my, It suddenly appears that Reynods can run a search engine----but he can't do an equally simple library search.

How schitzo of him. I did use an abbreviated term in the ORer article, a little misspeak for the lower IQ's associated with toxic Oak Ridge. I was studying a K-25 sick worker labor group at the time, who tended to only understand simpler words.

The real terms for my management chain at ORNL remain Group Leader, Section Head, and Division Director, etc. No supervisor titles to be found. Stated more properly, I had three Group Leaders over time at ORNL. Two different Section Heads and seems like three different Division Directors.

But don't sweat it----you still have the read all the web pages to find the names. Let me know when you can begin to read successfully.

Or you can call and get one of these organizational charts from ORNL via FOIA, but that requires a bit more intelligence than a search engine and I am not sure you could function at that high a level. We all know that would have you begging to be forgiven for your malicious trends and your threats of physical violence toward people.

I'll even give ya a boost---here is the number for Amy Rothrock, DOE FOIA officer in Oak Ridge, 865-576-1216 I am sure she will tell you how to do a FOIA. But I don't think you can do it, too hard for you.

Keep practicing on your reading, cause even morons can learn according to special education teachers these days. Their opionion is still out on Reynolds abilties. However, they all notice your abilities toward plagarizing and mimicing others.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

How schitzo of him.
IMHO, is

Squeeeeeal, piggy, squeeeeeal!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Poor little baby Reynolds. He just can't seem to shut up all these people talking about global warming and the wetting down of the atmosphere that keeps making those jet trails all the more noticable. His manipulations don't work. People are still talking---more and more even. And not in positive ways about the Reynolds cult of whack-O's.

All the Reynolds coordinated debunking in the world can't change that all around the world folks are taking note of and photographing all those jet acid rain making trails. Then asking the right questions on acid rain liberating all those toxic metals. Even about jets altering rainfall patterns. Hey, some of them even understand the Ti methods these days. Wow!! Just not Reynolds and "company."

Reynolds can't even differentiate between the concepts of god and God, and he usually is out worshiping the devil himself.

Reynolds is proud of his debunkers guild whose lies on things like Gulf War Syndrome ended up killing decades more soldiers than the Iraq war itself. Debunkers sometimes are complicit with extreme harm to the national security of the US and its armed forces. Even harm to citizens. Reynolds be running around telling people to eat more aluminum and take some fluorine to wash it down.

What has become more interesting is this latest diatribe on false warnings on tsunami . I do think the standard policy for the after shocks from this 9.2 event, are going to be warnings for all events of 6 or more. After such death tolls, these areas are going to vote for more safe than sorry. But for Reynolds this is another of his crazy issues that don't make sense to anyone but he and his immoral cult. Reynolds appears to suggest the current death toll was not large enough for he and his followers.

So goes the infamy of the reckless Reynolds cult, perhaps we need a good movie on them someday. So, lets keep good records.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Jimbo, now what are we supposed to believe, the Jim Phelps that writes to his community about his "I had three ORNL supervisors" or the ariannaonline Jim Phelps who says "I never had a supervisor."?

Or is it correct to say that Jim Phelps lied about his career cleaning glassware at ORNL, and is not to be believed when he says anything?


COME ON, PIGGY, ANSWER THE QUESTION!

[halva]

So goes the infamy of the reckless Reynolds cult, perhaps we need a good movie on them someday. So, lets keep good records.


These people are our misfortune. Others are privileged not to know them. They generate silence and indifference in life and silence and indifference will follow their passing from the scene.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

This is terrible.....

I guess I am having to apologize to the world again for the US having people like Jay Reynolds. They are few and far between, as most US citizens attempt to be well informed and honest, but many are very mislead by the corrupted US political system.

As we can all see the dimentia and hate from persons like Reynolds become obvious when he can't seem to process that people that do graduate work on radiation and high temp operation of semiconductor systems used in Breeder Reactors are not somehow associated with washing glassware.

But in the demented mind of Reynolds, unfounded allegations are his highest mental abilties.

The better association is the Hess Oil connected Reynolds, whose greatest claim to fame in his career was burning lard in a turbine, does not speak to him being intellectually blessed.

Jay Reynolds apparently never did graduate studies and became so disillusioned of his success that he took up farming. Now as a farmer, he is jealous of those who sought higher education and had much more impressive careers than he.

So despirate is Jay Reynolds that he likes to fantasize that he is some buddy of Jim Phelps, but this is not true at all. Reynolds likes to play act on being close with people, when most of them prefer not to even know he or his sicknesses. Reynolds is more like having a stalker invading your private spaces.

Reynolds would be a nightmare to define in DSM IV terms.

It does speak to his being highly disgruntled, combative, harassing of others, making sexually harassive comments to women, and veiled threats of physical violence.

Those are Reynolds talents in evidence. Sick. Reynolds needs profession mental health help.

All of America is embarrassed by these sick persons.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

This is terrible.....

Yes, indeedeee, Jimbo. The documented information below looks terrible for you....
Because you have been caught lying.


Jay Reynolds latest diatribe set:
"Also, name your supervisor who was in charge when you invented haarp and "chemtrails", which are other claims you have made."
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Jim Phelps response:
National Labs don't use this "Supervisor" title stuff. The ORNL "Degree'd Professional Design Staff" is called the "Development Staff" and charged with designing, inventing things of need, and related research. The next level up is "Group Leader," next level is "Section Head," then "Division Head," then "Labratory Director."

I never had a supervisor. Scientists don't have supervisors. Real science can't really even be managed--so they avoid the term totally.

HEY, JIMBO. CAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE, OLD BUDDY!


FROM: THE OAKRIDGER ONLINE
OPINION, by JIM PHELPS
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:26UW7GxMnA4J:www.oakridger.com/stories/020299/opE_0202990035.html++site:www.oakridger.com+%22160 0+Buttercup+Circle%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
"I had three ORNL supervisors"

Yep, got the old piggy Jimbo trussed up in his web of lies, and now the knife gets stuck in the vein. It's time for him to squeal.

Jimbo, now what are we supposed to believe, the Jim Phelps that writes to his community about his "I had three ORNL supervisors" or the ariannaonline Jim Phelps who says "I never had a supervisor."?

Or is it correct to say that Jim Phelps lied about his career cleaning glassware at ORNL, and is not to be believed when he says anything?
Let's hear him squeal his way out of this!

Folks, the facts show that a quite different Jim Phelps has been sending letters to his local newspaper, THE OAKRIDGER since the late 1990's. These letters NEVER speak about "air pharmacology", they NEVER speak about haarp, and NEVER speak about Jews.

What needs to be asked is why he hasn't ever mentioned these claims when speaking to people he sees on the street, people he has to deal with in ordinary life, people who know him, and people who are able to asess his credibility and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

When seen for yourself, you'll find a quite different "Jim Phelps" emerges from the ariannaonline "Jim Phelps". A Jim Phelps that isn't able to hoodwink the people of Oak Ridge that he practically ran the place singlehanded, a simpleton Jim Phelps that plays the part of classic "village idiot" in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and is excoriated for his "outlandish fabrications". A Jim Phelps who got himself kicked off the local environmental coalition.

Don't believe me, and don't believe Jim Phelps, I have gathered at the link below much of what he has said(and quite a bit of negative commentary by people IN HIS OWN COMMUNITY. Just click on the "cached" versions, which don't require registration for viewing.

What emerges is a Jim Phelps whose credentials continually grow over time, the symptom of "delusions of grandeur". We also see the scapegoating of minorities as he writes of "little" brown people, or of Jews. We see Jim Phelps giving himself ever-more qualifications, responsibilities, and accomplishments during his alleged employment at Oak Ridge.

In short, anyonewith an ounce of thought can see he is nothing but a bogus fake, a laughinstock, a fraud and a crank, even among his own community, who actually know him better than we do!

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=jim+phelps+&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=oakridger.com&safe=images

Sqeeeeeal, little piggy, squeeeeeeal!

[gaiacomm]

Happy New Year to all of you and of course to JR and his lovely wife Karen who we all adore so much!

[stuart_allsop]

Your so-called ?traps? were blatantly obvious. The bits and pieces from your handpicked ?classic quotations? are precisely what my neighbor referenced. Then again, you knew that. Of courese I knew it. That's why I set the traps for you. Twice. And you fell into them. Twice. Proving you to be a lousy bluffer. Twice.

What do I mean by "twice"? Well, firstly you failed to notice the traps that I set, and then when I told you that I had quoted Churchill, Shajespeare, and George Bernarnd shaw you said that actualy HAD noticed them, since they were "blatanyl obvious"

The only trouble is, there were no quotes form Shakespeare or George Bernard Shaw! There was only ONE quote, and it was from Churchill.

Ooops!

The others I invented myself. I'm quote flattered that you would mistake my work for that of GB Shaw or Shakespeare! :)

Let me guess: You aren't much good at playing poker, either, are you? I don't see how you could be, when you bluff so poorly yourself, and fail to recognize when others are bluffing. :)


Before you plunk down your snooty little ?QED,? you might want to consider ... OK.... I considered... and here's my answer:

QED


I may have to fine-tune my style a bit, but so much for my being ?solidly routed.?


he he he! I stand by my prior "solidly routed" comment. Twice. And your style is fine: it's your bluffing that needs work.

[stuart_allsop]

I wonder if Simon Stuart also will walk with us...Maybe he already does... draw your own conclusions...

[Insurrectionchemistry]

How nice of ole crackpot Jay Reynolds to continue to worship the ground that I walk on by listing many of my "Whistleblower" oriented articles on Oak Ridge, the UF-6 problems, and the HF / fluoride related health effects. His obcessions continue and his personality problems appear in excess.

It is poor taste to toot ones own horn, but when Jay Reynolds tosses it out there---well -- why not comment. Free advertising.

Whistleblowers often write to papers to alert people to the issues of toxic releases. Those were written in the times of the sick worker compensation issues hitting the news, what was to become the EEOICPA legislation. The dangers of HF from the Oak Ridge processes needed some more heads-up attention. Still does, as the fluoride related health effects are highly suppressed in Oak Ridge and their liability in the extreme. Lots of sick workers with fluoride linked health effects and the associated trace metals upsets.

Such matters are the first part of my web page on the subject of K-25 and MSRE, as they are essential foundation materials for understanding the greater problems of HF in acid rain.

Crackpot Reynolds is becoming quite the whizzz kid at doing some rather simple internet searches these days. What does this one make----TWO? He has outdone himself. But there is nothing like some free advertisements, as they make my web page counter spin faster and faster. He forgot to list my web page: http://www.doewatch.com

Maybe he can find one of my most famous pieces that came out in the New York Times exposing the dangers of the ORNL Molten Salt Reactor that caused it to get hundreds of millions of dollars to be evaculated and shut down. I protected a bunch of endangered workers on that one. Look for that one, cause I am real proud of that one. ORNL is still reeling from that hitting the NYT pages on Thanksgiving Day of 1994. I matted and framed that one for the wall.

Getting into the NYT was the big time, huge national and international circulation democratic paper is something. That compared to the little GOP oriented Oak Ridger burg newspaper that is behind the poor reporting that has lead to all these sick workers and the town simply turning into a slow ghost town is not something to rave about getting printed in.

Some of those letters to the editor exposed the DUF-6 problems in Oak Ridge and the holes in the storage cylinders, leaks and so on. Then the problems of these cylinders with earthquakes and fires, the can fracture easliy and even explode. UF-6 is an unsafe storage form that releases HF in accidents. It was some of my letters hitting public places that is forcing the issue with DOE to convert this hazard into a more stable form. DOE is now spending millions to make DUF-6 conversion facilties at Paducah and Portsmouth because of this risk that I helped expose. That is a pretty good story that I am indeed proud of also.

Usually after one of those OR letters, there was a whole bunch of managers screaming "God-dammit" and running around like little Dutch Boys plugging up holes in the leaking dyke. But, once the truth got out of the bag---the public process took over in Oak Ridge and clear to Washington. The information delivered was solid and stood up against all the denials. They had to give in, and it shows in the rest of the timelines. See success story: http://www.environment.ky.gov/law/law2004/fall2004/uraniumconversion.htm
or http://www.duratekinc.com/PaducahGroundbreaking.asp

I have a huge list of whistleblower achievements. Truth is power and I apply both liberally to crooks. I even forced them to make the green salt operation at Y-12 safer from HF leaks and they put in total monitored double containment. Y-12 killed a bunch of workers with sloppy operations at the big bomb factory.

I like playing fruit basket turn over with the crooked ORNL management, and they all know me well. I am a living legend in Oak Ridge and they don't like it when I get onto them. I have them investigated and sometimes tossed out of management. The crowning achievement will be the RICO criminal charges, and they defintely won't like those. It is part of what whistleblowers do, but we can't talk much of those.

Perhaps someday I can return the favor by listing a google search on him showing how crazy he has become, and how he harasses whistleblowers. He sounds like a Chicago Mafia god-father, with a gang of hoods. Jay Reynolds is a wanna-bee contendor, but without the metal intellect to get off first base. He appears to have crossed into helping DOE and Oak Ridge in the cover up, publically enjoined with them it appears. Qui Tam issues love that. Especially so, if they appear malicious in intent.

Reminds me of a song about pulling on Super-man's cape and spitting into the wind....

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Happy New Year to all of you and of course to JR and his lovely wife Karen who we all adore so much!


JR, I hope you and Karen have a quiet night together and the kids are away!

Happy New Year!

[jayreynolds]

I did use an abbreviated term in the ORer article, a little misspeak for the lower IQ's associated with toxic Oak Ridge.

Oh, my the folks back home in Oak Ridge are really going to like being called "lower IQ's".
What is it with you narcissistic creeps?



The real terms for my management chain at ORNL remain Group Leader, Section Head, and Division Director, etc. No supervisor titles to be found. Stated more properly, I had three Group Leaders over time at ORNL. Two different Section Heads and seems like three different Division Directors.



FROM: THE OAKRIDGER ONLINE
OPINION, by JIM PHELPS
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:26UW7GxMnA4J:www.oakridger.com/stories/020299/opE_0202990035.html++site:www.oakridger.com+%22160 0+Buttercup+Circle%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
"I had three ORNL supervisors"

Sorry, Jimbo. Sound like you are telling us you are simply making stuff up as you go along.
See, I take the first version, that, "I had three supervisors at ORNL" as being the truth. This was written publicly, before the whole town you live in, and likely before many of your co=workers who all know about the suspensions, the probations, and the demotions.

When you started to exhibit signs of instability, the paranoia, the depression, you couldn't hold a REAL job.

The fact is, you are now on a mental disability, right, Jimbo?

[jayreynolds]

Well, enough of this out-of-town talk.
Let's hear what the people of Oak Ridge themselves have to say about Jimbo Phelps,
after all, they know him far better than we do. Perhaps they see something we don't?


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:7ilV5LJAI1MJ:oakridger.com/stories/051099/opE_0510990049.html++%22jim+phelps%22+site:oakridg er.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"Suggests an annual Phelpsathon

To The Oak Ridger:

Good Grief! Another Jim Phelps letter (The Oak Ridger, April 14). It isn't just that it's annoying to read this nonsense Š someone who doesn't know any better might think his complaints are factual and be deterred from moving here. Does The Oak Ridger really have to publish every one of these repetitious and poisonous missives?

I have always firmly believed in moderation. When I was little more than a baby just beginning to talk, my parents took me to a public Fourth of July fireworks display in a football stadium.

We were way up in the stands, high enough that the returning fireballs seemed to come much too close. I was scared to death (I am told), and in what were probably the first complete sentences I ever uttered, my mother said I kept repeating, "Not too much, des an itty bit! Et's go home!"

I was raised before the era when a terrified child would be allowed to alter family plans, so I am sure we stayed through the grand finale. But I seem to be left with the feeling that there are a lot of things of which an itty bit is quite enough.

Our city officials took the minimization approach to the Friendship Bell controversy. Faced with some who wanted the bell rung any time, and others who didn't want it rung at all, the decision was made to bong it three times at 90-second intervals at 6 p.m. every day. Knowing at what hour it will be rung, mothers have time to stuff cotton in their littlest tots' ears and shove them into the broom closet lest they hear the sound and fulfill someone's fear of being converted to Buddhism.

Continuing the minimization approach to civic controversy, couldn't the same solution be applied to Internet smut on the library computers? There are responsible views on both sides, but couldn't the computers be blocked except for (say) 15 minutes a day, at which time the library would permit total access to absolutely anything -- material which would admittedly be deeply offensive to its more conservative clients.

(To be fair, perhaps right-wing Web sites should also be limited to 15 minutes a day.)

I would suggest scheduling the erotica for the same time as the ringing of the Friendship Bell. The littlest tikes will be safely in the broom closet, and parents will know exactly what time they need to monitor the whereabouts of their older children. People with weak stomachs or hearts will know when to stay away, and those who relish the more robust manifestations of their First Amendment rights will know when to gather round.

This leads directly to the question of what to do about Brother Phelps. I don't know how one allots even a little dose of something to which the community has already suffered a lifetime exposure, but let me suggest an annual voluntary Phelpsathon.

In lieu of writing letters, once a year on Aug. 6 (Hiroshima Day) couldn't Mr. Phelps come to the corner of Bear Creek and Scarboro Roads and read for an hour or so, sharing his collected works with what would surely be the most appreciative audience he'll ever find? If one or two out-of-town visitors show up in skeleton suits they could caper about and mime their dismay during some of the direst predictions.

I thought this was the perfect solution until a couple of letters to the editor came from distant readers (one from Germany) who are totally delighted with the Phelpsographic material the Ridger has been printing. (In the words of the cereal commercial, "Give it to Mikey. He eats anything!")

These readers might not be able to make it to the Aug. 6 colloquium, so what do we do for them? I don't think Oak Ridge need suffer for the benefit of these distant fans. What we must do is enable them to be self-sufficient by teaching them to write their own Phelps letters.

I shall now reveal the recipe. First, you gather together eight or nine impressive words for prominent display in your sentences. There are two requirements: (1) they must have a biotechnic ring to them; (2) the letter writer must not have the faintest idea what they mean. "Free radicals," "auto-immune," "CN ligand" are all excellent choices.

Address your letter to the "problems" of your local town or city. Grieve that great masses of people are being made ill by the local industry or agricultural crop. (Of course they aren't, but Oak Ridge has no more ill people than anyplace else, and that doesn't slow down Jim Phelps).

Be sure to mention that whatever it is causes AIDS. Liberally sprinkle the word carcinogenic when referring to the local environment. Accuse the national and local government, hospital, industry, clergy, university, and the Tripartite Commission of being in a vast conspiracy to conceal the contamination arising from the local: a. cuckoo clock factory, b. lobster boats, or c. theme park.

(Naturally, these enterprises don't contaminate anything. But Oak Ridge has lower than national-average radiation level, and no measurable heavy metal contamination in air or water. You don't see our friend Phelps let that bother him.)

Your only problem is old scientists. With age comes wisdom, and with education comes knowledge. People who are both wise and knowledgeable will understand at once that you don't know what you're talking about, and won't be slow to say so. You must bitterly denounce these people to begin with, much as Chairman Mao's Red Guards once went after anyone who wore glasses or could read and write.

Don't be discouraged if at first you fall short of Phelp's best work. For instance, "We have a nuke plant with 40 million pounds of depleted uranium that was burned in PCB oils liberating dioxin smoked filled with carcinogenic uranium dusts and a huge map with an aerial survey voided as the sensitivity of the surveys became greater, so as to show the air plume directions into communities like Scarboro."

A novice can't possibly match that. The little that is intelligible isn't true, but doesn't it touch all the bases? I hate to create clones, but why should Oak Ridge be the only town with a frenzied detractor? And if we can divert Mr. Phelps to a yearly lecture to the lost souls at the Y-12 intersection, won't that be one more civic controversy solved by permitting just a little bit of something?

[Caveat: I want to make clear that my complaint about Jim Phelps and his Nashville Tennessean manufactured victims is not to be applied to patients with berylliosis. This is a real and life-threatening disease which is (1) medically diagnosable and (2) traceable to exposures in the workplace. These twin criteria for a genuine environmental problem are not satisfied by Phelp's imaginary vectors of doom.]

Robert S. Stone
118 Canterbury Road

[size=5]I'd say OL'Bob's got ye pegged there, Jimbo

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gaia writes:

"JR, I hope you and Karen have a quiet night together and the kids are away!
Happy New Year!"

=======

Happy NY to you and yours Gaia.

Unfortunately, I think ole JR is into the mutual masturbation with Simon, WM Mother, and Yaak. Karen is left all alone for the circle jurk with the Masons and Jews pretending to be god.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

C'mon, Jimbo.
Let's see your Rodney Dangerfield imitation.

"I CAN'T GET NO RESPECT"

Jimbo, there's more where that came from, lot's more.

The people in your home town are FED UP with your LIES.

Plenty of fine leads, too. Harry Williams likely has a fine story to tell, eh................?

Time for little piggy to get his skin off and make the cracklin's.

Prepare yourself to be exposed.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ah Yes, Harry Williams. The PSS of K-25 call him "Barney Fife," because he sees a communist behind every tree. Plus, he was going to lock and load on some high school students treasspassing at one of the DOE churches. So the Plant Superintendant, PSS, took his bullets away from him.

Ole Harry was a "lock shaker" at the K-25 plant and someone appears to have tampered with the trigger pull on his hand gun once, so he would fire it accidentally. Before he came to Oak Ridge he was a game warden and even more like Barney Fife. He is infamous for putting a poison snake in his car and driving through town and suddenly noticing it got out of the bag. So he stopped his car right in the middle of town behind a bus and jumped out with his gun drawn and started pointing it all around the car. Seems like the car was still in gear and hit the rear end of the bus. The scared bus driver radioed for help and the local police showed up and was going to arrest him for being nuts. But yes, Harry Williams is indeed more famous than Jay Reynolds. You two would make a fine pair.

I charged ole Harry with assault once for sneaking up behind me and nearly knocking me out of a chair by hitting me with a loaded brief case at a public meeting.

I and everyone knows Harry Williams very well. He is not considered to be to well balanced or on top of things. Almost all the sick workers in Williams group are highly affected by fluorine, which is well known to lower IQ, upset the benefical trace metals and immune system, and give them extreme tiredness like in GWI or CFS. Most of them can't function or work any longer, and have upset cytokine levels.

Lots of the local Oak Ridge stuff is covered in the web page piece called "The Family." It is about the Oak Ridge Mafia families. Harry Williams is well covered there. See http://www.doewatch.com Williams is not very proud of his past associations in Oak Ridge and his near continous screw ups.

Harry Williams is like the blind leading the blind for the sick worker groups affected by fluorine and HF from the K-25 process releases. He has done a lot of harm to a lot of people.


As for Bob Stone, lots of the Old Hats complain bitterly because the finger of blame on lots of this points to their lack of attention. One of those letters is about Bob Dyer, who is an old hat too. When the O'Leary watch come onboard in DOE-HQ, they put Bob Dyer out to pasture and began to call him the "Old Fuddy Duddy," because he and his buddies could not adapt to the better standards.

Lots of the problems in Oak Ridge will get assigned to the Old Hats, these persons like Bob Stone. If you notices it is real hard for a town situated between two of TVA's largest coal fired plants to be low in metals or other pollutants. The big problem in Oak Ridge has always been fluorine----not the metals and radiation he attempts to pull attention toward.

Bob Stone lost it whenever the Oak Ridger printed one of my letters that occupied a full half page of the newspaper. It pointed out that the Y-12 plant used PCB's as fire retardant cutting oils for uranium weapons parts machining, and they lost lots of PCB and even open burned PCB and uranium. Y-12 us one of the largest PCB spills in the world.

I also pointed out all the PCB leaks in the K-25 plant from the fire retardant seals on motor cooling ducts. I know a whole lot about PCB leaks in Oak Ridge, and even recommended the catch systems installed in K-25 to control those leaks. I also knew all about a PCB incinerator at K-25 that was known for its high dioxin releases, which had to be replaced by what was called the TSCA incinerator----which I provided design ideas for.

Bob Stone was just trying to stave off he and his Old Hat brotherhood from being fitted with the blame of making so many workers sick due to being exposed to these toxic materials.


Being a whistleblower you do encounter a lot of crazy people, vicious peope. But for every crazy type you get a dozen more that are nice and that just listen and they are usually helped with what they learn.

Lots of them learned they were used as guniea pigs in operations that put their safety second to the production of bombs. Lots of them left the area. Which is why Oak Ridge is in a huge decline.


Yes----I do like public meetings and I have often gone to these to raise attention of the local environmental types, even written to the local papers to expose things. But I never stop just there.

It was so effective that it is darn near distroying the entire town due to their poor public image. The Oak Ridge Mall is a ghost town and mostly all closed. All due to the truth being exposed in Oak Ridge. The Oak Ridge Civic leaders complain bitterly to have the exposures slowed down, so the property values won't collapse.

So, I get a lot of persons upset when I tell the facts on Oak Ridge. Do take note that I was exposing the HIV / AIDS association to fluorine way back then, and the same now for the jet acid rain toxic effects. Oak Ridge was absolutely despirate to avoid that becoming know, else the entire town would up and move out. They still are rather despirate to keep that from becoming well known.

Nothing new, as I also seem to get others upset when I speak on the issues of global warming and the wetting down of the atmosphere, and speak to the jet planes seeding clouds and upsetting rainfall patterns of acid rain.

Persons like Jay Reynolds are nothing new, as Oak Ridge is full of persons much worse than he. But none the less, they all have much in common----the need to cover up and distract. I like it when Jay Reynolds joins up with the Oak Ridge thugs, makes my job very easy.

Keep those Mercendes polished up, I only like driving nice clean cars.
Wanna-be contender Jay Reynolds just can't seem to measure up.
You be sure to tell scurrilous Harry hello for me, and ask him how many gasoline hoses he has pulled off at gas stations now because he just can't seem to do simple things. How someone can ignore a gas hose slapping into the side of a car and people blowing horns at him all the way down the road, and then get home and find a big black hose laying behind the vehicle is pretty bad. He just might be a little slower of mind than you even.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

I charged ole Harry with assault once for sneaking up behind me and nearly knocking me out of a chair by hitting me with a loaded brief case at a public meeting.

Folks, Harry Williams is well respected in Oak Ridge. He heads up the Coalition for a Healthy Environment" group(CHE) there, and was brutally attacked by Jim Phelps.
CHE is actually the bona-fide organization to which Oak Ridge workers have joined to seek remedy for medical claims against DOE.

JIM PHELPS, IT TURNS OUT, IS MASQUERADING AS AN ACTIVIST WHEN THE TRUTH IS HE HAS BEEN "DUMPED" BY THE LEGITIMATE ACTIVISTS IN HIS OWN HOMETOWN!

Strange that Jim left out the part where he was one of the founding members of CHE, while Harry Williams was chairman.
Didn't have aproblem with ole Harry then, did you, Jimbo?

Turns out Jimbo couldn't hack the "Science Advisor" position at CHE.
Another guy who was able to speak without rambling off into gibberish about Jews got the position jim coveted.
They pigeonholed Jim in a meaningless job called "Technical advisor", where he spent his time cleaning glassware and raving about Jews.

CHE kicked Jimbo out because he was affecting the credibility of the whole organization, making them into laughingstocks in the community. Once rid of him, they became famous for helping the community.

JIMBO, told you to prepare yourself to be exposed.
More to follow.............

[Insurrectionchemistry]

So far, Reynods can't seem to tell the truth.

I was never a member of CHE, but I did come to their meetings for a time. Never paid a drop of dues, to join. I never founded CHE, as it was founded by K-25 workers colorfully named "The Exposed." They were around a long time before I came to visit.

"The Exposed" attracted a lot of attention from the corrupted Oak Ridge operations, as they were real workers exposing their huge problems with health effects from the poorly run and constantly leaking DOE processes. So, DOE tried to manipulate them in many ways, using their false plant persons to sway attention.

I encountered the CHE workers long after they formed up because a person named Sandra Reid asked me to come to the meeting. Sandra Reid was the wife of a doctor named Bill Reid that found lots of toxic metal problems connected to K-25 and MSRE or the effects of the fluorine sysnergistic effect with metals. Sandra Reid was having a screen play written about her efforts in Oak Ridge that was being financed by Cher, because she had done an earlier movie on Karen Silkwood. The CHE people got into such battles on who was going to play who or say what about each other and the rights that the thing fell apart.

CHE liked to claim anyone that went to their meetings as a member, but some had reservations that attended meetings to see what was going on. I helped make a little web page once and told of the K-25 fluoride problems, which was about it. They liked the technical insights until it became beyond their learning skills. Most all of the CHE worker folks are High School level education.

I was there to observe how the planted DOE activists were working CHE and how the illnesses manifest in the workers from fluoride linked exposures.

Harry Williams' good buddy that he sent on a national trip to form a national alliance disclosed classified information at CHE meetings, which is a felony problem. CHE meetings told of the barrier sintering process being a cooking process with nickel powder and calcium fluoride, when Cheryl Dyer toated in a simple materials classified substances list. But once that secret is out in public, there is no putting it back. The calcium-fluoride is a stomoch poison that is tied to worker exposures to fluorides. CHE became an issue of criminal issues, which were reported. I did not stay around them after their criminal issues appeared. However, Reynolds might like to conspire with felon issues.

K-25 exposed workers to UF-6, which became HF and was highly retained. They also exposed lots of workers to the barrier dusts with the calcium fluoride in the storage and making of barriers. They also exposed them to the calcium-fluoride because the tubing bundles were cut apart with electric chain saws and the barrier tubes crunched up in a grinder, which generally covered the workers in the dust, which they breathed and swallowed. This also increased their fluoride exposures.

I shut down the attempts of the CHE organization to go national, because they chose some very corrupted alliances. I did this by working with other national groups that were much wider organized and been around a long long time and stopped CHE right in their tracks. They were rejected everywhere they went.

I arranged and sat in meetings with Harry Williams with national group people in Washington that tried to tell him the problems, but he rejected their complaints. They let him and his delegates know what they thought of him and his leadership. I told Williams, everyone was very up front with him, that this was going to happen.

I listened to the other groups and went with their warnings for the problems. They were solid on their advice. I also listened to Harry Williams supervisors at K-25 and they were not complimentary. So, I distant myself from Williams. I could not support Barney Fife.

They, Williams/CHE, were not to happy about that----but the problems that would have occured due to that would have been very serious. It is all covered in http://www.doewatch.com/family.html

So, they are not too well respected-----except in their own little world of Oak Ridge. The big western national groups had their number and told them to get lost. They called them bad names when they came to call. CHE came with a huge stigma because of the poor leadership of Harry Williams and they never recoved. Today, the only thing ever heard from them is the occasional comment on the EEOICPA bill not working. All those that had helped in other bills told Williams all the problems from their experiences, now all those problems stall the K-25 workers from being compensated.

It was all that which lead to the physical attack by Williams with his hitting me with a brief case. I still have the phone message of Williams breaking down after the police came to take him from the meeting where that happened. It pretty much tells the story, he is crying and apologizing. He lost control of himself and stepped over the blue line. That is why I don't associate with the CHE gang.

CHE is a legend in its own mind and seems to be broken apart largely. Ole Williams dropped the ball in the most serious of the Oak Ridge emissions and the Oak Ridge Old Hats like having their lap dog in the name of Harry Williams.

Harry Williams is one of the persons directly resposible for helping Oak Ridge to hide the HF issues, and the extreme health consequences from it. He has seriously affected most every worker in his organization, leaving them in a declining health limbo as seen in GWI.

So, as usual Reynolds is lying. Perhaps Reynolds is going for one of his sickest things yet, attempting to use old sick workers from Oak Ridge in his little war on people exposing jet trails and acid rain poisons. Really sick he is becoming---sinister he is.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

Whistleblowers often write to papers to alert people to the issues of toxic releases.

....one of my most famous pieces that came out in the New York Times exposing the dangers of the ORNL Molten Salt Reactor that caused it to get hundreds of millions of dollars to be evacuated and shut down.

Getting into the NYT was the big time, huge national and international circulation democratic paper is something.

Usually after one of those OR letters, there was a whole bunch of managers screaming "God-dammit" and running around like little Dutch Boys plugging up holes in the leaking dyke. But, once the truth got out of the bag---the public process took over in Oak Ridge and clear to Washington.

I have a huge list of whistleblower achievements. Truth is power and I apply both liberally to crooks.


The new element with 'chemtrails' is that it appears it is not going to be soluble through the traditional 'whistleblower' methods of American mass politics.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The new element with 'chemtrails' is that it appears it is not going to be soluble through the traditional 'whistleblower' methods of American mass politics.
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That is yet to be seen, but in the mean time do use EU methods. IMHO, is

[jayreynolds]

The new element with 'chemtrails' is that it appears it is not going to be soluble through the traditional 'whistleblower' methods of American mass politics.


The bottom line here, Wayne, is that rather than finding "whistleblowers", what you have found are the dregs of the internet, castaways like A.C. Griffith, inventor of the barium hoax, David G. Stewart, inventor of the "deep shield" hoax, and now Jim Phelps, who claims to have actually invented "chemtrails" themselves.

What do all tehse people have in common?

Well, for one, they all eventually got rejected.

Griffith left the scene years ago, nobody with any brains, niot even his closest confidants like Deborah and 'Sore throat", or Don Johnson will even mention his name ever again.

David G. Stewart has admitted being a liar, he wrote the whole 'deep shield' thing himself.
He has been rejected by his peers and was eventually forced to 'kill off' his hoax, a 'dead-end' gambit which he felt may have brought him closure, but which was seen for what it really was, a ploy to get out of town and makea clean escape. You'll hear no more from him.

Which brings us to Jim Phelps. Jim has made the rounds through the ranks of anti-nuclear activists. His finest hours are behind him, however. He and his cockamammie writings have been REJECTED BY EACH AND EVERY ACTIVIST GROUP IN THE NATION. Jim isn't welcome to participate, to associate, or to assimilate with any of these groups. He is considered "poison", because he is quickly seen as the 'crank' nutter he really is.

Having burned his bridges at all nuclear venues in the country, Jim's latest play was to try and insinuate himself into the "chemtrails" hoax. It was a bold move and required a bold strategy.
Jim used a version of his old "nuclear whistleblower" thema, but was inventive(or foolish?) enough to go past the point of no return and actually claim to have invented "chemtrails" himself. From there, he fabricated a grand delusion in which he was bold enough to claim invention of HAARP as well!

The problem all these "whistleblowers" just can't seem to grasp, however, is that they have a limited 'half-life'. Their claims are initially seen as great 'breakthroughs', they get a lot of attention, which is what they really want, desperately. From there, things start to go downhill.

As it becomes more and more obvious the paucity of their actual worth, the more intelligent begin to back away. As it goes downhill, these fakers get shut down.

Ever wonder why Jimbo doesn't post at any of the "chemtrail" message boards anymore?
Ever wonder why Jim Phelps is no longer a member of any legitimate nuclear activist group?
Ever wonder why Jim Phelps' sole activity at this point in time is to run interference for Wayne Hall on this message board? Other tahn his utility as a pawn for Wayne's protection, Jim Phelps is dead-in-the-water everywhere else on earth.

Jim and Wayne will eventually part company. That day is fast approaching. The only question is who will oust who. I predict Jim will eventually come out against Wayne, and begin to accuse him of cooperation with DOE, Jews, or whatever. This has been Jim's modus operandi in the past and he always repeats it. Wayne will get a little mention on Jim's webpage, Wayne will try to ignore it all, he always tries to minimize the political blowback of his failures.

In the end, Jim Phelps will be but a footnote in the "chemtrails" hoax story, no more and no less than A. C.Griffith or "deep shield", but infinitely more entertaining by the torrent of verbiage which accompanied his descent into obscurity.

[gaiacomm]

Now that the New Year is here can someone come to some conclusions of Chemtrails in a brief summary so we all can get a claer picture. And of course have JR and Company submit a counter report summary so some of us can view the facts without the name calling!

Happy New Year all!

[halva]

I don't know what Raynolds has written here but I am encouraged by Jim's open-mindedness.

Why is it that Jim writes his religious views into postings nominally focused on matters of science?

Would he do that in a submission to a scientific peer group?

Perhaps the reason is that as a 'whistleblower' he addresses a mass audience and so
spontaneously introduces mass issues such as religion.

If there are people who object to some of Jim's prejudices is it not also the case that prejudice is the fuel of mass politics?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Was Jim sidelined from peer group discourse because of his religious prejudices, or did his religious prejudices start coming into his writing as part of the same process by which he became a 'whistleblower'. the process of turning to the masses (or rather to journalists and the media) when his warnings to his peer group fell on deaf ears?

As a non-scientist I can't judge the scientific value of what Jim writes on science, but I suspect that if he were addressing a strictly scientific audience he would focus on science, not on Jews.

It is the conventions of mass politics, not the specific content of his prejudices, that give the best explanation for why Jim writes the way he does here.

I am glad to see that Jim, unlike Raynolds, has an open mind and does not feel threatened by approaches that are different from his own.

[jayreynolds]

2005- State of the "Chemtrails" Hoax

The chemtrails hoax experienced it's worst year yet in 2004. Most forums have become restricted, many are membership read-only by approval. These Draconian measures were implemented as a futile bulwark against internal divisions which have arisen among the adherents. This is a typical reaction among cults of belief as dissonance among the membership always increases over time. By clamping down and retreating into cloisters, they have made the hoax boring and stale, even among those who get interested enough to join.
The membership is fragmented and uncooperative.

Insofar as the old guard goes, less and less are seen those who precipitated the hoax five years ago. Most have quietly disappeared, or seldom interact anymore. "Chemtrails" activism has fallen apart, since whenever cult members leae their cloistered environment they are met with derision and skepticism.

Much of the former energy available has been squandered or redirected towards other agendas just as preposterous as 'chemtrails', by those who entered the groups with hidden agendas now boldly taking over. The hoax is therefore discredited by association and redirected by dissociation. Few among them are able to recognize what is going on, there is little institutional memory and almost no self-correction among the cult membership.

There is at this time no visible way out for the hoax. It appears to be sputtering out with a whimper.

[jayreynolds]

I don't know what Raynolds has written here but I am encouraged by Jim's open-mindedness. Why is it that Jim writes his religious views into postings nominally focused on matters of science?

Jim Phelps is insane. There is not much point is trying to logically analyze why he does things, but on the whole his actions reflect his state of mind. He is above all, a narcissist with delusions of grandeur. History is replete with examples of such people. The disorder is accompanied by paranoia, which in Phelp's case focuses, naturally, on nebulous groups with which he actually has no contact at all, ie. Jews. He is able to inwardly transfer his personal failures, which are legion, away from being his own fault, which of course they are, and blaming those failures on the objects of his paranoia. Paranoid narcissists never make mistakes, those are always blamed on "them", thus relieving Jim of shame.


Would he do that in a submission to a scientific peer group?

Well of course Wayne appears to here be asking a rhetorical question. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is abstrusely chiding Jimbo for making such an error, an error whch has always been Jim's downfall. Jimbo, Wayne is giving you one of your last warnings. If you don't shut up pretty quick, you're out on your nose, old buddy!


Perhaps the reason is that as a 'whistleblower' he addresses a mass audience and so spontaneously introduces mass issues such as religion.

Don't try and make things more complicated than they really are, Wayne. Jimbo is a nutter plain and simple. He is a fanatic on all issues, and in his rambling diatribes it becomes clear that he doesn't even recognize what he is saying. Heaven knows he has to go back and retract enough of it, backpedal the rest, and still ends up contradicting himself over and over.

In this, one of the last opinion letters that was allowed to be published, he was unable to restrain himself. Nothing has changed four years hence, except that the facility of being published in hs hometown newspaper has for four years now been denied him.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:P3_CDWgyxu8J:www.oakridger.com/stories/070901/opE_0709010022.html++%22Jim+Phelps%22+site:oakridg er.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Was Jim sidelined from peer group discourse because of his religious prejudices, or did his religious prejudices start coming into his writing as part of the same process by which he became a 'whistleblower'. the process of turning to the masses (or rather to journalists and the media) when his warnings to his peer group fell on deaf ears?

Jim sidelined himself through his own actions. He is obviously at the same time a nutase and a fool. His mental illness is clear enough after a time. You were warned a year ago about that at CTC, Wayne. You thought you could use him for your own purposes, however, and now that's backfired and you are trying to justify some ways in which you can jettison him gracefully without 'blowback'.

You can't. You have hitched your wagon to his, and however 'nequally yoked you might find yourselves, one horse is going to have to disconnect from the other before it's all said and done. Without exception, everyone who has disassociated him/herself from Jim Phelps has become a scapegoat for his failures, a co-consprator in the endless plot against him. He will do his best to destroy you, Wayne. Whether you keep him on as a friend, in which case he destroys your credibility or you try and reject or throw him to the wolves, which will result in a more active campaign against you, either way, he is just as much poison.


As a non-scientist I can't judge the scientific value of what Jim writes on science, but I suspect that if he were addressing a strictly scientific audience he would focus on science, not on Jews.
There you go again, Wayne, with that backhanded slap in the face. The velvet glove over the iron fist. You reallly can't get over that Stalinist stuff, can you?


am glad to see that Jim, unlike Raynolds, has an open mind and does not feel threatened by approaches that are different from his own.

Isn't it a little late to try and flatter Jim, Wayne? After all, you have just given him a warning and a slap. Like I said, you two are coming to a boil, and things will eventually have to be sorted out.
Jimbo, when Wayne responds like this, he makes it clear he is reading everything. He sees you losing the argument here bigtime, he sees you getting massacred and being rejected not only here but in every other forum including your own backyard of Oak Ridge. Wayne knows the point of diminishing returns has been reached in your case. Watch your back.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings for the New Year,

Perhaps it is best to let a couple pictures tell a thousand words. Most persons in Europe and many here agree that global warming is here and a fact. With that comes the higher air temps and the evaporation of more water into the atmopshere. The atmosphere is wetter than ever before and this is a compensation form for Gaia (The Earth) in protecting herself from global warming. It works rather well if the problem is just increased heat from the Sun, but poorly when the problem is CO-2 and HF and other green house IR absorbing gases from man that tend to sequester around the poles.

Getting into the area of jet trails, or air pharmcology (my favored term for the science), as they are direct outcomes of the high global warming and higher moisture in the air. I just took this photo here in East Tennessee in the dead of winter here on New Years Day. It shows a lot of those jet trails, in the times when the air humidity is the lowest over the South. See:





Note there are like 10 jet trails in this photo taken in the morning here.
Then do recall the one that I took on the day before Christmas, as see here:





These pictures don't lie, they are no hoax, because they show that jet planes are definite catalytic agents for the production of these clouds. These clouds come to make for rain, and pulling down acid rain.

This is the middle of winter, so you can imagine how dense they get in the summers here, they are hundreds of times thicker and pronouced. They literally blot out the sun almost daily.

Why? Well one reason is that Tennessee is the geographic center of the largest population of the US. More people live within a 500 mile radius of Tennessee than anywhere in the US. Tennessee is a warehousing center and trucking center because of that. That is no hoax.

What does this all mean? It means that Tennessee his highly criss crossed by airline flight paths and very high numbers of these jet trails that blot out the Sun and come to make increased rain.

What else is a factor in the South? Here in Tennessee we have TVA and coal burning, so all this cloud seeding from the jet catalytic effects make for increased rainfall and increased fallout of acid rain from all the coal pollution. That is no hoax.

So, these jet planes set up a regional disperity or hardship on the areas overwhich these jet trails are densest, ie Tennessee especially. I am sure there is a similar density issue over Europe----perhaps centered on Southern Germany and the Alps.



So, lets take a look at how hoaxy Reynolds chooses to portray these jet trails. I think somewhere either he or someone claimed that the jet trails covered maybe 2% or the Earth. That simple math was based on a linear distribution across the face of the globe. In reality, the real science says there are density patterns and that over some areas these jet trails occupy some 100 % of the sky by days end. So, the Reynolds pseudo science omits a very important factor of considertion----regional density. The Reynolds hoax methods and pseudo sciences also omits how the oceans get a break from the acid rain when jet catalytic effects are present.


Then we get into factors like Tennessee getting very much higher levels of acid rain dumped on the state from these effects. Persons like Reynolds and his pseudo science say just add lime to the soils and it is bad farmers that don't do this. Reynolds, who is one of those so called special farmers, should know that acid rain sets up metals leaching from the soils and also metals capture that render them not available. And what is most important, just adding lime after the fact won't correct for this acid rain effect. Adding lime does not remove the toxic fluoride build up in the soils either. Acid rain highly damages the trace metals make up of soil and the metals able to enter the food chain. Tennessee can't afford to lime the entire state to make even for this pH balance fix. Hence, one huge problem that differentially affects Tennessee. Likewise for other areas in Europe.


Hoaxy Reynolds like to distract everyone by talking of rainmaking techniques, but the cloud making due to jet plane catalytic effects in the atmosphere is evident to all that can see the photos here and elsewhere. Photos speak to the reality and there is no hoax there. Hoaxy Reynolds seeks to focus on the most irrelevant of factors for jet cloud/rain making. What does it matter if it is hydrogen, popcorn, icecream, or aluminum that makes these jet clouds, when the greater concern is the acid the rain fall pulling down to affect the metals in the soils?

The important factors are that jets do seed clouds to form and rain to fall from ever wetter skies of global warming. These regionalized higher rainfalls pull down more acids that seriously upset the trace metals in the food chain.


And you don't even have to be a scientist to accept that as being plausable and happening right around you each day. Only persons promoting hoax and deception can state otherwise for these photographic evidence that speaks a thousand words.

Does anyone have a problem with this simple photo and geographic science?
The photos tell the story that global warming and these jet catalytic effects are interdependent.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva inquires:

"I don't know what Raynolds has written here but I am encouraged by Jim's open-mindedness."
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I do try to be as open minded as possible. But there are some critical points where it can appear that I may not be---usually the sticking points are how religion factors into the issues of environment.

I am certainly all for the democratic process for exposing the issues of global warming and believe it is fully man made. I am for the exposing of the jet trails and acid rain problems. How those effects lead to illness and diseases in mammals.



"Why is it that Jim writes his religious views into postings nominally focused on matters of science?"
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I can see why you ask the question, but not why the answer would not be obvious to you.

So, here is why. Back at ORNL when we get into the acid rain problems from the coal emissions connected to TVA and Oak Ridge there was a researcher in the Environmental Sciences Div of ORNL named Dr. Joyce Dickerman. She did some very good work on the acid rain and UVb effects on the oceans and how this impacted the CO-2 absoption of the oceans and killed off the plankton of the ocean's surface.

My division was into early detection of problems and attempting to diagnose and fix them, but we has some managers that were totally dishonest around their fix methods were to cover them up. My Division connected to Dr. Joyce Dickerman via a Group leader named Martin Bauer, who has the same last name as the Rothchilds before they changed it. He worked under a Section Head by the name of Hugh Brashears, who kept a nice little sign on his office wall that Said: "I manage by deceit and treachery." After good researchers like Dr. Dickerman did her studies and became noticed---she experienced a lot of resistance. She eventually became so disillusioned with the lab experience that she quit and took up doing colledge textbooks. She was experiencing an early form of whistleblower retaliation to telling the real science leading up to the man-made global warming equation.

At ORNL we looked at that a bit and factored in the issues of the HF in the acid rain and how that poison entered the ocean food chains. Then we started comparing the forecasts of those toxic effects to that cited in Revelations about problems in the oceans appearing.

As we went along we managed to understand many of the warnings from Revelations, expecially as the fluoride toxic synergism effects became evident. So, all of us concerned with science started going---hey---this is coming true. So, way back in the mid-80's at ORNL the issues of Revelations / Religion entered the discussions of the acid rain equation, the ozone hole issues and the differential heating of the poles, and how all that would come to be the predictions of the New Testament's Revelations.

So, the insider group working on these issues has always factored in the religion issues into the discussions, and likewise, so still do I.


Now a little question for you. I think you have said you were Russian Orthodox and from what I understand they do value the issues of the New Testament and that of Revelations. So, if you do believe in these religion narratives, how can you deny what is happening as you see the explantions that connect them?

Do people of religion think these predictions are not going to come true? If they do believe there was a strong basis for the predictions, should they not look to see how and why they are coming true?

Should not these factors be the first order to mention to get the interests of a Christian Country, or the last?




"Would he do that in a submission to a scientific peer group?"
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We certainly entered it into discussions at ORNL. And I think you see that I still do submit it into many discussions. I usually start off with the pure science stuff, expecially on the DOE processes and fluorine toxicity. But as I get into global discussions of the acid rain, global warming, global illness----the religion forecasts are entered.

After all, don't we have a lot of Masons hanging around, and Masons don't ever take anyone unless they believe in god/God. Which gets into the issues of do they understand the subtilitles of what is God. It is a difficult concept for some, especially the Jews. However, in my education of FBI squads and the regulators of DC, it has been a strong part of the analysis presented. Same analaysis from ORNL in the mid-80s being made more public. One of the central issues is defining God.

They get it, so now it is your alls turn.



"Perhaps the reason is that as a 'whistleblower' he addresses a mass audience and so
spontaneously introduces mass issues such as religion."
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In being a Whistleblower one tries to connect to the largest mass audience and one of the biggest connections is the issues of Revelations and Jesus, and how this directly associates to what we now see coming along with global warming, acid rain effects on oceans, and acid rain effects on land mammals.

It makes total sense, once you know the bigger picture.

Now, if I can get the FBI educated and the regulators in DC all educated on these factors, then surely these environmental folks can pick up these same factors without too much difficulty.

I always tell that at ORNL religion met science head on and one proved the other, but not in the conventional sense that evangelism has lead many. Persons like Jack Van-Impe and his TV ministries seem to connect lots of the revelation details and seeming so will others in time. If you care to get down to the details read: http://www.doewatch.com/endtimes.html and http://www.doewatch.com/antichrist.html These get into the history of religion, the definitions of god and God---enlightenment, etc..

Part of the study here is seeing how you all will grasp these issues and how the debunker types will attempt to distract you from these interlinked issues.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Jim, it's about five years late to start bringing out contrail pictures as your proof for "chemtrails".
There's only about a million of these pictures hanging around, and maybe it's been a boon for the photographic industry, but the fact remains that they are merely ordinary contrails. You can find far more impressive photos on websites where pilots and aircrews post their aviation art:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/637287/L/#

Pictures of contrails don't prove some "air pharmacology", not some "geoengineering", and not anything other than ice crystals and various products of combustion no different than that which powers your car or generates the electricity that runs your home.

Get over it, Jimbo. Nobody buys pictures of contrails anymore, it's passe. Modern jet engines produce more water than fuel burned. The water makes contrails if it's cold enough, they can persist. This isn't atom bomb science, and ceratily was known long before you entered this mortal coil.

As far as Wayne's questions, you really blew it, friend. He didn't actually expect answers. His post was a sly directive for you to stop bringing religion into the mix. That is why he edited out all those portions of your rant before he posted it at CTC. He had to do that because you reveal your fanaticism when you start in on Jews, Egyptians, Revelations, etc. That's what made you persona non-grata at chemtrailcentral, Jimbo, and why this is the only forum where you are able to be. Nevermind that Wayne keeps you on a short leash as his 'whipping boy'........

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva inquires:

"As a non-scientist I can't judge the scientific value of what Jim writes on science, but I suspect that if he were addressing a strictly scientific audience he would focus on science, not on Jews."
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Lots of the environmental sciences in the US is political science, as what gets told is highly dependent on the industry impacts. The dollar rules in the US, not common sense or public good---especially so in GOP adms.

When one gets deep into the political sciences of the Bush Adm. one cannot help but get into the highly GOP and NeoCon agendas aimed at helping the Israel agenda.

Similarly, when one gets deep into the politics of the Manhattan Project one finds that it was invented by the Jews to blow up Hitler, and really funded by the big New York Fed. Reserv. Banks that are highly Rothschild (Bauer is the family name of the Rothchilds before they changed their name to hide their Jewish heritage) oriented. When the US got the bomb, it was highly because of the Jewish agenda. The Jews financed the bomb and owned it via the Fed. Reserv. This is why no one noticed when Israel got the bomb.

So, when Oak Ridge got into trouble on the oversights of the Fluoride Factors connected to all kinds of illnesses and even AIDS, then went back to this same financial network that funded their entire project, because they will be held at fault for the problems. Then the connected highly into the GOP agendas that seek to not hold industry accountable to poisoning the citizens.



"It is the conventions of mass politics, not the specific content of his prejudices, that give the best explanation for why Jim writes the way he does here."
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I write in both short term and long term outlooks often and with attention to deviations in religion as it relates to god and God. Here in Knoxville we have one of the top forensics persons named Bill Bass and he will be one of the first to tell anyone that god was created for man's purposes and not the other way around.

This idea is also reveiled in one of the main icons for the Masons, the Famous "Creation" Painting. It tells the same story as Bill Bass, when one knows of the dual meanings in the painting. Masons that don't recognize this statement have not fullfilled their commitment to believe in God, cause most of them are stuck in the world of god, the anti-christ belief. Masons in the latter domain have not fullfilled their oath to Masonry, which stone mason Michalanglo shows in his art. The Jews in the Masons are often the ones most quick to mislead the Masons into this god domain.


I tend to get into the religion issues as they do related directly to the issues of global warming, acid rain, CO-2 rising, and the toxic fluoride entering the food chain. When one considers these toxic effects you do get into the health and environment issues of Revelations.

Now, the Zionist factions don't like to recognize Rabbi Jesus because he made these predictions in Revelations that tell of the end of Judism. So, in Israel -- there are no evangelists allowed to teach things like Jesus or accepting he as "savior and lord." That is just not allowed. Rabbi Jesus made these predictions based on the issue of the Jewish Pharisee version of god, which is the Talmud/Torah preachings. "god" made for Mans purposes is the icon of the Jews. Israel because of this is the sign of the anti-Christ. The sign of Christ is the Cross and of the anti-Christ---the Star.

So, there is this division in recognition for the Jews in tieing in the issues of global warming, acid rain, fluorides. Since the Jews won't believe any part of the Rabbi Jesus stuff, they also don't buy into the other on health and environment. So, anytime one gets into playing the Revelations card, the Jews are automatically going off like fireworks. They know if the general public connects these things, then the other questions on the Jews come to the forefront. We just saw lots of these things happen here when I introduced these issues of the US being a Christian Nation and the connections to Revelations. All manner of hate erupted to cover up this association.


Thus, we see persons like this Jewish-Mason here going off and all kinds of name calling on hating Jews and such. This then shows up the issues of the Mason having to deal with what is god and God, because Jesus made the Jewish version different from his version.


Then, it follows that when one plays the Revelation card to bring in Environment and Health, that some of the Jewish factions in the Masons are going to be attemption to pull the attention off the issues of Revelations predicting the end of Judaism.


The bottom line, is all these factors are interrelated. Revelations, health, environment, oceans dying, CO2 sinks falling, weird weather, AIDS, etc.

The trump card remains getting the US Christian factions to grasp the correct version of God and not be mislead into these huge wars for the Israel version of god and killing all these Arabs for no good reasons.


While you tend to limit your visions to global warming often on this list, I tend to look at the full scope of things and how they all interconnect.

Thus, we tend to go in the same direction basically, you on a narrow path and me taking a broader path aimed at a full solution and understanding.

IMHO,
is

[Yaak]

A pleasant reminder, Jimmy -

Here is a comment a reader made regarding doewatch.com:

i will let your site speak for itself. no intelligent or sane person would stoop to the level to believe the bunk that is presented there as fact.
Also:

flouride clouds sprayed from planes to turn us into aids ridden mind zombies of the governement does nothing to further more important discussions.
Remember that, Jimmy?

http://www.tampaindymedia.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=441&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=dd9843017b49d74a45de68fef43fb3a5

I see that you quit posting there. I wonder why.


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To the readers:

How many of you are aware that the members of Cliff Carnicom's forum immediately dismissed Jim Phelps as a crackpot when presented with his claims? Can you see the irony in that? :rolleyes:


I have no idea how Jimmy can endure such shame.
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[The Shadow]

As I said before, Mr. Allslop, you are a buffoon and a fraud. It is no mistake that in order for you to “prevail,” you must use only snippets of quotations in support of your weak arguments. This is an old trick that is used continuously by hack journalists (such as Jay Reynolds) who are desperate to make their points by intentionally taking out of context the words of another and then embellishing them or outright lying.

It is a shame that people such as you cannot be trusted and that everything must be made explicit in order to prevent you from twisting and spinning it. For instance, the following is what you attempted to pass off as evidence of your “cunning” and “skill.” Please note that I am not editing any of your narcissistic self-praise.



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Your so-called “traps” were blatantly obvious. The bits and pieces from your handpicked “classic quotations” are precisely what my neighbor referenced. Then again, you knew that.

Of courese I knew it. That's why I set the traps for you. Twice. And you fell into them. Twice. Proving you to be a lousy bluffer. Twice.

What do I mean by "twice"? Well, firstly you failed to notice the traps that I set, and then when I told you that I had quoted Churchill, Shajespeare, and George Bernarnd shaw you said that actualy HAD noticed them, since they were "blatanyl obvious"

The only trouble is, there were no quotes form Shakespeare or George Bernard Shaw! There was only ONE quote, and it was from Churchill.

Ooops!

The others I invented myself. I'm quote flattered that you would mistake my work for that of GB Shaw or Shakespeare!

Let me guess: You aren't much good at playing poker, either, are you? I don't see how you could be, when you bluff so poorly yourself, and fail to recognize when others are bluffing.



Before you plunk down your snooty little “QED,” you might want to consider ...

OK.... I considered... and here's my answer:

QED



I may have to fine-tune my style a bit, but so much for my being ?solidly routed.?

he he he! I stand by my prior "solidly routed" comment. Twice. And your style is fine: it's your bluffing that needs work.

We will soon see who is bluffing, Mr. Allslop. At this time, please note that there were quotation marks placed around the word “traps” and the phrase “classic quotations.” That is what is known as sarcasm. Those were your signals that your ploy had been uncovered.

Ooops!

It is evident that I overestimated your mental faculties.

Now, let us return to the beginning of your pretense, work forward, and not leave out a single detail. It is unfortunate that this lengthy exercise is necessary, but it will become clear that your deceit has made it so. It would seem that you first spied some type of opportunity when I defended myself against your pal, Yaakass.



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So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people you have allied yourself with? Perhaps it is a proper association. Do you realize that in Jim's mind there might be no difference between Arizona and Arkansas?

It is possible that you have an excellent command of the English language. Also, it should be noted that some word processing software is capable of indicating faulty grammar and mismatched verb tenses. The thesaurus is a useful writer’s tool.

It is sad that you have found no apparent use for your literary talents other than harassing and flaming. Your continual references to bodily waste functions could be indicative of psychoses related to problems you have experienced or are experiencing with your own digestive system.

Why does it surprise you that two people with many differing view points and opinions could be friends or associates? Couldn’t the love of their country or a shared passion for the truth be enough to bind them? Do you seriously believe that your obvious attempt to assassinate Jay’s character adds validity to Wayne’s and Jim’s hoaxes?

Thank you for pointing out how stale my signature has become. It was a private joke.

Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, “So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?”

Just the same, allow me to set you straight in answer to that rather smug question. First of all, you will note that I have reduced the size of your quoted text in order to more accurately reflect the relative importance of its content. The reality is that I prefer to remain free of “alliances.” Your problem with me is that I happen to find more offensive your disingenuousness and your uncanny ability to rationalize unscrupulous conduct. The true natures exhibited by you and your allies are unmistakable and have taken center stage. If I appear to be taking sides, you have yourselves to thank.

You also seem to resent the fact that my ability to use proper English and syntax is better than that of most people. Do not blame me if you did not pay attention in class and are now a slave to spelling and grammar checkers, which are truly limited in their capabilities. They cannot turn a sloppy writer into Hemmingway. At least fifty percent of the time, alternatives that are offered for sentence structure would horrify the least knowledgeable of educators. However, the thesaurus is good in a pinch. Highly regarded authors were using them long before they became a cyber tool.

Yaakity-Yaak, your history as a contributor to a large number of message boards speaks for itself. Your most recent exploit, chronicled at http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2815.topic, clearly demonstrates the severe degree of your mentally defective state. Your suggestion that any harsh words from me have been unprovoked is really quite humorous. As for your objection to my choice of colorful metaphors, I would like to point out that Mr. Reynolds has been quite fond of making references to women’s underwear. Perhaps the services of a psychiatrist, who specializes in fetishes, would be in order. At least, that would be a place from which to start.

Contrary to your supposition, I know many people who have varied backgrounds and belief systems and they do manage to share common ground. In the case of Mr. Reynolds, I see only the love of self. That leaves no room for passion of any other kind, least of all of the truth. Per your accusation, in order for me to “assassinate” his character, one would have to exist, in the first place. In Biblical terms, Mr. Reynolds reaps precisely what he sows. In fact, from what I have observed, you and he share many of the same qualities.

In closing, allow me to call to your attention that without light, there are no shadows. Without shadows, there can be no physical realm. If you are light, then so is the Devil. The only thing that you can eliminate is your last meal (there I go again)...

The Shadow knows...

[The Shadow]

In a great show of teamwork, you could not resist coming to the aid of your confederate with what remains a pile of dogmatic garbage and just plain crap.



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Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, “So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?”

My my! Aren't you good at putting your foot in your mouth? Most grammarians these days would not agree with you. Sentences may well be terminated with a proposition, provided that the grammar is correctly constructed. Of course, kids in school are taught not to do this as a matter of course, since it is not commonly understood by the grammatical simpletons among us, and also because it requires careful crafting to avoid sounding stupid, up with which we will not put. (Yoda, a good point had.)



You also seem to resent the fact that my ability to use proper English and syntax is better than that of most people. Do not blame me if you did not pay attention in class and are now a slave to spelling and grammar checkers, which are truly limited in their capabilities.

Hmmm... While WMM may not write well, he certainly does get his point across, and rather admirably, I'd say! In general, he leaves you looking pretty poorly.



However, the thesaurus is good in a pinch. Highly regarded authors were using them long before they became a cyber tool.

Well, a thesaurus may certainly help a deficient author to find useful synonyms, but it won't do much for grammatical usage, I'm afraid. That requires real linguistic knowledge and understanding. (And yes, it is allowable to build sentences that commences with "that" and "and", despite the opinion of common high school texts. You'll find that the best authors do it regularly but sparingly, and choose their occasions with great care.)



Perhaps the services of a psychiatrist, who specializes in fetishes, would be in order.

My my! An adjective clause offset by comas, when it should not have been, if the true intended meaning was to have been retained. Such a basic error. Tsk, tsk.



In Biblical terms, Mr. Reynolds reaps precisely what he sows.

So do we all! That was the entire point of the Biblical passage you are referring to: that it applies to all and sundry, regardless.



In closing, allow me to call to your attention that without light, there are no shadows.

"This sentence no verb". (Or rather, no discernable predicate.)



Without shadows, there can be no physical realm.

Unfortunately, the most famous of all literary works in the entire epoch of written record, does not agree with you. The Bible plainly states that the ultimate ending condition of the physical realm will be one of pure light, with all shadows being totally excluded.

Oops!

PS. I didn't bother to use a spell checker on this, since I know how strongly you despise them, so please do excuse the spelling errors.

Very prominently displayed is your trademark habit of taking one sentence at a time and composing a short story around it. Should we all follow this pattern, subsequent replies could easily be allowed to grow in size geometrically. However, given the lack of substance in yours, your necessity to overwhelm your target with sheer volume is understandable. In addition, you are not fooling anyone by deliberately plucking individual sentences from their original paragraphs and contextual environments. For anyone reading both my post and yours, that bit about the thesaurus was so transparent, just one of many instances of spin doctoring that has left you looking like a total ass.

Ooops!

In any event, it is only your bloated ego that perpetuates your illusion of having any sleuthing skills. My reply to your idiocy should have been sufficient to get that message across to you. Unfortunately, I once again did not contemplate my audience.



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Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, “So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?”

My my! Aren't you good at putting your foot in your mouth? Most grammarians these days would not agree with you. Sentences may well be terminated with a proposition, provided that the grammar is correctly constructed. Of course, kids in school are taught not to do this as a matter of course, since it is not commonly understood by the grammatical simpletons among us, and also because it requires careful crafting to avoid sounding stupid, up with which we will not put. (Yoda, a good point had.)

Because I have rarely seen so much obvious garbage in one place – all of it – I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your “reasoning” as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams. Also, she laments the fact that there indeed exist faculty members who are plagued with personality disorders identical to yours. Some people cannot handle their education.

Mr. Allslop, you are a buffoon. That you consider yourself a devout Christian is a slap in the face to God. You must have skipped the part in the Bible that condemns as a deadly sin your unwarranted and extreme pride and love of self. It is a shame that you do not afford the same level of pride in your work. In my opinion, you would be doing the world a big favor by taking a week or two to climb Aconcagua and then make the descent in a matter of seconds.

It would appear that it is your lack of cognitive skills that still has you chest-thumping over an imaginary victory. You will note that my neighbor was quite clear about rejecting the reasoning behind your stated position and the rest of your smart ass comments.

Ooops!

[The Shadow]

In your upcoming reply, your insistence that she or I were ever obligated to respond according to your protocol is patently absurd. Such egotism, on your part, is repulsive and again, it gives you the appearance of a snot-nosed little kid. Evidently, my neighbor’s reference to your glaring personality problem is what set you off on a tear. You simply throw a temper tantrum whenever you are called on your obvious bullshit.



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I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your “reasoning” as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams.

Please do give my most sincere condolences to your ignorant neighbor, who apparently is part of the continuing problem with uneducated speakers of the English tongue who insist on perpetuating long-since discarded and useless grammatical rules. Do invite her to a language debate here: I'd love to point out the errors in her rather antiquated ways, and perhaps help her to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that she can, in future, teach language as it is used today.

Of course, you can invite her here, assuming that she really does exist, and is not just a figment of your overactive imagination?...

The give-away that you might be faking was the traps I had set in my post. Traps into which you cleanly fell. I highly doubt that a professor of College level English would have missed the thinly disguised quotations from Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, and William Shakespeare, and go on to claim that she would have failed such grand masters in grammar class!

You see, that's a trap I commonly use on individuals, such as yourself, who write fairly well yet make silly claims about how language should or should not be used. I drop in a few structures that have been used in classic quotations from great orators and writers, then I sit back to see what happens. Usually, as in your case, the victim doesn't notice and continues on blindly, making a fool of him or herself. Occasionally I am pleased to come across a true grammarian who does recognize my trap, cleanly avoids it, and calls me on it. More power to them! Unfortunately, you don't rate in that category.



Mr. Allslop, you are a buffoon.

Coming from one who just flunked Winston Churchill on a grammar test, I do find that more than just a little amusing!



That you consider yourself a devout Christian is a slap in the face to God.

Why is it that all trolls eventually resort to ad hominem attack, when they have been solidly routed and have nothing better to say? I suppose it runs on their blood.



You must have skipped the part in the Bible that condemns as a deadly sin your unwarranted and extreme pride and love of self.

What part would that be? Please do quote us chapter and verse, in context.



It is a shame that you do not afford the same level of pride in your work.

What makes you think that I don’t?



In my opinion, you would be doing the world a big favor by taking a week or two to climb Aconcagua and then make the descent in a matter of seconds.

Actually, that's not a bad idea! It's not far from here, you know, and they say it can be scaled by beginners, with sufficient preparation and training. I don't know very much about mountain climbing, but it sounds like an interesting concept. I'm just not too certain about that hang-glider descent though. I suppose it could be done, and its been MANY years since I last flew a hang glider, but the idea of carrying it the top is daunting.... I may just have to consider a standard descent. Hmmm.... food for thought.... I hadn't really decided where to spend my vacations this year, but that actually sounds like a good idea! Thanks!

Now, getting back to the point of your poor knowledge of grammar rules, I just checked the language reference section of my bookshelf, and came a cross a volume that I thoroughly recommend. It’s designed for just such a person as yourself, who writes acceptably yet fails to grasp the concepts used by modern grammarians. The book is titled "Woe is I", and was written by Patricia T. O'Conner, who is an editor for the New York Times Book Review, and also a columnist for Time Magazine (she writes their "On Language" column occasionally). In particular, I refer you to chapter 9 "The Living Dead". This chapter is dedicated to mythical grammar "rules" that are long since dead, but which refuse to actually lie down, due to persons such as yourself and your alter-ego neighbor, who insist on perpetuating them out of ignorance.

On page 183, under the title "Tombstone: It's wrong to end a sentence with a preposition" Ms. O'Conner writes,

"Here's another bugaboo that English teachers used to get worked up over. We can blame an eighteenth-century English clergyman named Robert Lowth for this one. He wrote the first grammar book to say that a preposition ... shouldn't go at the end of a sentence. This idea caught on, even though great literature from Chaucer to Milton to Shakespeare is bristling with sentences ending in prepositions. Nobody knows why the notion stuck - possibly because it's closer to Latin grammar, or perhaps because the word "preposition" means "position before", which seems to suggest that a preposition can't come last. At any rate, this is a rule that modern grammarians have tried to get us out from under."

QED.

That post is another great study, showcasing your ability to manipulate the truth, push your opinions as fact, and exalt yourself beyond all Godly reason. You are clearly caught in a lie with your contention that my neighbor ever claimed she would fail “literary grand masters” in her classes. It is abundantly clear that she was referring to creeps like you.

Ooops!

[The Shadow]

To anyone with an eye for detail, my upcoming response was right on target in ferreting out your poor attempt at trickery. Nowhere did I indicate a literary source associated to any of your bullshit “grammatical tips.” That was something you later conjured up out of desperation.



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I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your ?reasoning? as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams.

Please do give my most sincere condolences to your ignorant neighbor, who apparently is part of the continuing problem with uneducated speakers of the English tongue who insist on perpetuating long-since discarded and useless grammatical rules. Do invite her to a language debate here: I'd love to point out the errors in her rather antiquated ways, and perhaps help her to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that she can, in future, teach language as it is used today.

Of course, you can invite her here, assuming that she really does exist, and is not just a figment of your overactive imagination?...

The give-away that you might be faking was the traps I had set in my post. Traps into which you cleanly fell. I highly doubt that a professor of College level English would have missed the thinly disguised quotations from Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, and William Shakespeare, and go on to claim that she would have failed such grand masters in grammar class!

You see, that's a trap I commonly use on individuals, such as yourself, who write fairly well yet make silly claims about how language should or should not be used. I drop in a few structures that have been used in classic quotations from great orators and writers, then I sit back to see what happens. Usually, as in your case, the victim doesn't notice and continues on blindly, making a fool of him or herself. Occasionally I am pleased to come across a true grammarian who does recognize my trap, cleanly avoids it, and calls me on it. More power to them! Unfortunately, you don't rate in that category.

Mr. Allslop, your overconfidence and unwarranted arrogance are the only visible traps here. Your ramblings turn out to be only half correct because you have once again chosen to make assumptions that are designed to ignore that which is not in your favor, as in “erecting a strawman.” Previously, I had no idea that I would have to spell out things for someone of your supposed background. Your so-called “traps” were blatantly obvious. The bits and pieces from your handpicked “classic quotations” are precisely what my neighbor referenced. Then again, you knew that. The next time I see her, I will tell her that she does not exist. That should encourage her to “duke it out” with you.

Like it or not, Mr. Allslop, in a formal writing class, Churchill and Shaw would indeed have been failed. With or without your permission, before an auto mechanic is qualified to rebuild an engine, he or she must know how the parts fit together and work as a whole. After acquiring some experience, that person can then safely improvise. The same holds true for anyone who is learning to speak or write. Maybe the current generation of rappers appeals to you. Let it all hang out!

Before you plunk down your snooty little “QED,” you might want to consider that the styles being defended by you and author Patricia T. O’Conner represent only one school of thought, so to speak.

According to Jack Lynch, Associate Professor in the English department of the Newark campus of Rutgers University, Many no-no's in a college English paper are perfectly acceptable in other contexts. (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/f.html#formal) That is just the way it is. Perhaps you would be so bold as to point out to the “ignorant” Professor Lynch his “poor knowledge of grammar rules,” not to mention “the errors in his rather antiquated ways and perhaps help him to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that he can, in future, teach language as it is used today.”

Perhaps my biggest mistake has been in misjudging my audience. I was expecting a much higher degree of sophistication and instead appear to have been met with an exceptional level of sleaze and conceited narcissism in its place.

Professor Lynch describes my dilemma, as follows:

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/a.html#audience

The key to all good writing is understanding your audience. Every time you use language, you engage in a rhetorical activity, and your attention should always be on the effect it will have on your audience.

Think of grammar and style as analogous to, say, table manners. Grammatical "rules" have no absolute, independent existence; there is no Grammar Corps to track you down for using "whose" when "of which" is more proper, just as Miss Manners employs no shock troops to massacre people who eat their salads with fish forks. You can argue, of course, that the other fork works just as well (or even better), but both the fork and the usage are entirely arbitrary and conventional. Your job as a writer is to have certain effects on your readers, readers who are continuously judging you, consciously or unconsciously. If you want to have the greatest effect, you'll adjust your style to suit the audience, however arbitrary its expectations.

A better analogue might be clothing. A college English paper calls for the rough equivalent of the jacket and tie (ladies, you're on your own here). However useless or ridiculous the tie may be, however outdated its practical value as a garment, certain social situations demand it, and if you go into a job interview wearing a T-shirt and jeans, you only hurt yourself by arguing that the necktie has no sartorial validity. Your job is to figure out what your audience expects. Likewise, if your audience wants you to avoid ending your sentences with prepositions, no amount of argument over historical validity will help.

But just as you shouldn't go under-dressed to a job interview, you shouldn't over-dress either. A white tie and tails will make you look ridiculous at a barbecue, and a pedantic insistence on grammatical bugbears will only lessen your audience's respect for you. There are occasions when ain't is more suitable than is not, and the careful writer will take the time to discover which is the more appropriate.

I may have to fine-tune my style a bit, but so much for my being “solidly routed.”

Stay tuned... There is more...

This brings us full circle to your post, which I replayed at the beginning of this series. Mr. Allslop, it has been successfully demonstrated that you are a shameless liar and spin artist. My assessment, above, that “Churchill and Shaw would indeed have been failed” in a formal writing class is true and is not the same as an acknowledgment from me that any of their work even vaguely appeared in what you termed “thinly disguised quotations.” As your infantile game progressed, you chose to bring in their names. You will note that I completely ignored any reference to Shakespeare.

Ooops!

My neighbor was on to you and so am I. Read from the beginning if you missed anything. The evidence is now perfectly clear for all to see that your sole intent in this arc has been one of willful deception. Mr. Allslop, you have no case. I did not fall for your imaginary “traps” even once, much less twice. It is your insufferable and unholy ego, your inflated sense of self worth that prevents you from being honest even with yourself. You have descended into the hell of your own lack of character. Sadly, there is no cure.

QED.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva inquires:

"Why is it that Jim writes his religious views into postings nominally focused on matters of science?"

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Let us go into this a little deeper, as you seem to suggest that my views on religion are uniquely my views. My intention is to tell the full and complete history for religion without any truncated moments in history. I tend to focus in the Manhattan Project and the problems with Germany and Hitler to present much of that old history in its true context. Which would mean that it is a part of the history for religion, and not views unique to myself.

Going into detail, once again using photos, take a look at this one from a local church in Oak Ridge as it speaks a million words. I use it to begin teaching of how the Jewish relgion was a centerpiece for the existance of Oak Ridge and how much they are intertwined politically.




In this photo one can see how much the nuclear projects are Jewish, as even the sign of the atom and that for nuclear energy have the Star of David carefully hidden. After all, it was Jewish scientists that discovered fission in Germany, and the Jewish financed campaign against Hitler that came to develop the A-bomb, some even call it the Jewish bomb.

This photo from the St. Marys' Catholic Church of Oak Ridge literally speaks a million words on the enjoining of Jewish issues with the Manhattan Project. One can see the little dot in the center of the Atom, this is about the Sun sign--which is a root for Egypian religion which Moses later cloned for his purposes.

What is most symbolic is Mary is standing on the snake to suggest that the poisons of the Earth that enter the food chain must be controlled and moderated, and we see this in evidance for Environmental concerns every day. It is also very symbolic that the Jewish Star of David and the associated atom sign is put into this same need to control. This is extremely important to grasp. Mary's ideals above those of the Jews.

This statue is really hated by some factions in Oak Ridge and it has been vandalized in attempts to distroy it because of the message it puts forth. This photo here was taken long ago, when it was in near perfect condition.

Lets take a look at the top:




Here we have some more symbolism, keeping in mind that Mary stands over the top of the Jewish Star and the Jewish bomb, and this suggests she and Jesus have the superior divine intellect. In this top section Mary is topped with the hat of the old world Popes and she is praying facing the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant in the distance and the Oak Ridge Reservation.

Now one must add on that Mary and Jesus were of the same divine intellect of their times and Mary wanted Jesus to become great and set the record straigh on what they believed God should be and they came out against the man-made version of god from the Torah and Talmud. Jesus became so popular that he was a treat to these entriched god made by man stories. Likely both Mary and Jesus contributed to the thoughts that became Revelations based on these wrong assumptions on the part of the Jewish religion.

The first photo also associates the snake with the symbol of Moses and the Jews, and the real story of Moses is one connected with volvcanic sciences and the power of some of the acids and poisons from volcanic releases. Mt. Sinai was an active volcano in Moses times, and one of the most serious tricks in alchemy is using volcanic released gas, which are acids. The most deadly of these acids is HF or hydrogen fluoride.

In fact, the games that Moses was playing with these alchemical poisons had the people in his time worship the snake symbolsim of his staff. The early Jews that followed the Moses issues were following some alchemical concepts and knock offs of the Egyptian religion. Hence, some people call this early form of the Moses god as satanic. And this shows up in the Michalangelo's stone carving for Moses, which has horns on his head like some devil.


So, lets take a quick jump in time to that of Hitler and Germany. History tells us that Germany had some severe sanction to pay for the first war and Hitler was a worker party person that had enough of the severe sanctions. Hitler studied religions and he thought of Jesus as a Jewish reformer of his times. Hitler came to pattern his own religion with he as the head, the swastika as his cross and so on. He was a new Roman Empire. He soon banned the Jews because they kept trying to control Germany and make money, this is the state within a state issue that always seems to follow Jewish entrenchment into Govts.

This caused the Jews in the US to declair war on Hitler, so as this worsened Hitler put all the Rabbis in concentration labor camps and all the Jews. This caused lots of the Jews to flee Europe and lots of them came to the US under a program run by Leslie Groves and formed up what was to became the Manhattan Projects. Leslie Groves built the Pentagon, ran operation to collect the Jewish scientists, and came to head the Manhattan Project. Lots of Jewish religion input went into how to run this huge fluorine plant here that enriched the bomb uranium and cost the Fed Res Bank some 25% of the Manhattan Project's cost.


So, one can see there is a long standing connection between the bomb, its symbols, the Jews, and the games ole Moses played with volcanic acids from Mt. Sinai. So, as we get into the issues of acid rain, global warming, and such there are some interesting overlaps into the Jewish religion factors and the Manhattan Projects bombs. It is no wonder that we discovered these global warming factors and acid rain factors in Oak Ridge due to these inner circle bits of knowledge. It is also no wonder that we intimately connect relgion to their discovery.

It is also the principle reason that I find it important to begin to tie in the association of Revelations with these problems of acid rain and health, and global warming and odd weather patterns. What better way to wake up a Christan Country to the higher values, the higher divine thoughts of Mary and Jesus? It will challenge what the Jews want suppressed, but it is still the truth of the matter. It is a truth that is not unique to Jim, but a truth that was suppressed by Oak Ridge and its Jewish system that is being made more evident to everyone.

So, what we see is the Holocaust was used to challenge religion after the war and challenge the Pope in Vatican as having a role in the death of so many Jewish people. So, the Vatican began to capitulate under the attacks and laid down their complaints against the Jewish version of god being wrong. This began to merge god and God, which made for huge problems down the road. The US and Allies had to deal with a few million misplaced persons in the German concentration camps of Europe and after some two years of feeding them decided to give them a part of Palestine. Now, the Jews had a presense as a national country and this made for even more problems to the point of them getting the nuclear bomb.

President Truman once remarked that he hated the Jews, as they came after him in pretty much the same ways you see being used on this Forum in attacks on Jim Phelps. James Forrestal said not to worry about the Jews, as the Arabs will drive them into the Mediterranean. Forrestal would come to tell so many great secrets on the Jewish problem and Area 51's Rockefeller research that he met a suspious death, and the DOE named their HQ building in DC after him. Once you know the meaning of this statue, one can see why even US presidents get killed in '63. The Jews can be very malicius toward getting what they want and using their money connections to get there.

I know it does not appear easily evident that these global warming issues and acid rain effects are part of the Revelations prophicies of the bible's narratives, but this is perhaps the biggest bit of information that should be gleaned from observing the bigger picture. One must connect the Jewish resistance to Revelations and those envionmental problems being exposed to see how massive this need of the US to cover up the existance of global warming and the health effects associated to acid rain, the poison HF, and the catalytic shift in the trace metals leading to illness and disease. What we are dealing with and what we discovered at ORNL back in the mid-80's was the exact reasons for the Jesus and his Revelations warnings.

Just the Manhattan Projects needs to cover up the fluorine problems is enough to realize the association to Jewish industries, Jewish banking, and one huge issue connected directly to religion itself.

So, do I think this should enter discussions---definitely. Do I think it a historical part of the political sciences of what is going on with global warming and acid rain---definitely. Would I enter such details into scientific discussions----definitely as it would be replete with omission not to emphasize these connections. I think it would be considered deceptive not to have included these factors.

Con't---

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Perhaps these simple associations will now begin to clue you into the simple fact, that my remarks on religion are not unique to myself, they are simply the full and total history of what all has gone on with nothing taken out of the historical context.

I think you can now begin to see that all this lines up very factually with history and such and when one presents such a complete concept of the bigger view, that both the message and the messeger will be heavily attacked in attempts to hide these associations by some of the Masons and Jews lirking around here tossing out smut. I think these concepts are the key to involving a greater number of persons into the Environmental causes and awakening them to their real religion factors and how to see concepts of god and God, and distinguishing between the Christ and the anti-Christ. Let alone the concepts of man-made global warming and acid rain being related to all.

I think most of all that if my religion views were unique to only myself, that the above statue would not exist. What is more, that history supports that my views on religion history are a matter of simple facts. So, now the question becomes -- why don't you know these issues and most of all why have you not made them available for the publics greater knowledge?

I do think our basic difference is based on understanding. I grew up around the Manhattan Project and Oak Ridge and know its history and all facets. Whereas, you grew up far away from these influences and have some big knowledge gaps that I attempt to fill in. So, when I write, all these factors come out in my text, and when you get to the same level of knowledge as mine, it all will make perfect sense for you and you can't help but understand why I intermingle these bits of information to support each.

In the end, I think you must ackowledge that the facts are that they are, the truth is that it is, and God is: I am that I am. God has to be based in truth, else all will fail. Science equally must be based in full truth, else all will fail. And in Oak Ridge science met religion head on.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Wayne, why not contact this person:

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WHEN ASKED Monday if climate change -- global warming -- was behind the deadly Asian tsunami, the United Nation's Jan Egeland -- he of "stingy" aid fame -- said no, the tsunami was a "geologically caused" disaster. "A tsunami like this is caused by an earthquake that has nothing to do with climate change, " he explained.

Minutes later, however, Egeland did suggest a possible connection between global warming and the disaster. He had heard that one-third of the Maldives islands disappeared momentarily underwater, he said, adding that "actually climate change means oceans (are) growing, (so) certainly tsunamis will have an ever greater effect."

Most environmentalists, to their credit, are not trying to capitalize on the Asian catastrophe. But a few cannot resist.

As a letter writer in the New York Times scolded, "But the next time there is a severe offshore earthquake and resulting tsunami, the sea level will be just a little bit higher, and the water and destruction will go a bit further inland and kill even more people. And for that, (President Bush) will bear some culpability for not even wanting to consider global warming, much less do anything about it as the leader of the country most responsible for man-made warming and ice-cap melting."

(Forget that Bill Clinton never worked to ratify Kyoto -- just blame Bush.)

In an unhappy slice of synergy, the tsunami hit just after Michael Crichton's new novel, "State of Fear," was released. The plot involves eco- terrorists who try to create four "natural disasters" (including a tsunami) in order to alert the world to the dangers of global warming. Crichton penned the book to warn the public not to believe everything it hears about global warming.

In his mind, "environmentalism" has become a religion. As he said in a 2003 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, "There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature; there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge and, as a result of our actions, there is a judgment day coming for us all."

Crichton takes on the gospel according to the enviros, that is: That all scientists believe global-warming is human-induced, that climate projections are accurate, that the planet is undergoing unusual change, when change is the norm in nature.

I saved the September 2004 National Geographic issue on global warming to read after the election -- to see if there is reason to reconsider my skepticism. The part on the dwindling Adelie penguins that inhabit the Antarctic Peninsula, with actual statistics, gave me pause. Otherwise, on every page, Crichton's complaints came to life.

In the article, true believers warned that the end was near. The magazine cited climate models as if they were peer-reviewed fact. "I don't think anybody down here looks at the sea-level-rise problem and puts their heads in the sand," it quoted Windell Curole, the manager of a Louisiana levee district. To back up the sea-level argument, a chart shows the sea level rising four inches over 100 years. The problem is, the earliest data is from 2000, so the chart doesn't show actual increases; it plots "projections." A best-case scenario shows the four-inch rise by 2100; a worst-case scenario shows a rise closer to three feet. Guesstimates aren't hard science.

The Libertarian-leaning Cato Institute's Pat Michaels, who wrote his book on global warming, "Meltdown," took on the National Geographic piece in an op- ed published in the Washington Times. Michaels chided the magazine for showing a flooded rice field in Bangladesh, cautioning that rising global temperatures and sea levels threaten rice farming. "In the last 50 years," he wrote, the sea level at Bangladesh has risen "an infinitesimal seven-tenths of an inch, far too little for anyone to notice."

National Geographic editor William L. Allen responded just as Crichton's characters would -- by attacking Michaels personally for writing a report funded by "the Western Fuels Association, an association of coal-burning utility companies." The letter didn't take on Michaels' facts.

On Dec. 29, National Geographic's Web site reported that while media accounts "frequently assert that climate change is uncertain," a UC San Diego professor read 928 scientific papers and found, "Not one of the papers refuted the claim that human activities are affecting the Earth's climate." (Funny, Crichton's 20-page bibliography found contrary opinions.)

But as Crichton and Michaels both argue, some global-warming true believers argue things that they know aren't true. And that makes them dangerous.

E-mail Debra J. Saunders at dsaunders@sfchronicle.com.

[Yaak]

You [Stuart] have descended into the hell of your own lack of character. Sadly, there is no cure.

Look at all that has been heaped upon you, Stuart, simply because I ended a sentence with a preposition. Can you ever forgive me?

[gaiacomm]

Its amazing how much hate and ignorance can flourish: http://www.awkkkk.org/jew7.htm

[gaiacomm]

I hope you all enjoy your day of rest and New Year, 2005!

[jayreynolds]

I think you have said you were Russian Orthodox and from what I understand they do value the issues of the New Testament and that of Revelations. So, if you do believe in these religion narratives, how can you deny what is happening as you see the explantions that connect them?

Well, Wayne doesn't exactly seem to have much knowledge of Revelations, except the cultic sort that his "Jehovah's Witnesses" family practices.(any coincidence he holds preposterous positions?) The Eastern Orthodox church disregards the Book of Revelations in it's liturgy, so it's possible Wayne hasn't a clue.

[jayreynolds]

Look at all that has been heaped upon you, Stuart, simply because I ended a sentence with a preposition. Can you ever forgive me?

She thought she could put Stuart down.
It's obviously all she can think of.
She got taken under.
Now she can't get off.
Any fool can see where she's coming from.
She'd be better off if she shut up.

[gaiacomm]

JR did you and Karen have a nice New Year? Can someone post her photo so we all can see and dream?

[halva]

Gaiacomm, are you trying to get me e-mailing someone who supports Crichton and Michaels?

To say what?

And Jim I can't follow your postings and your free-associational style of writing.

I am not an Orthodox Christian or any other kind of Christian, Jew, Muslim or anything else and I have no opinion on many of the subjects you bring into your postings.

[halva]

Ian Campbell gets paid a ministerial salary to argue with climate change sceptics. Nobody is paying me anything.
WH

Minister warms to climate task
Bernard Lane, Environment writer
January 03, 2005

FEDERAL Environment Minister Ian Campbell has made a resolution to win over sceptics who still dismiss the case for climate change as "crap".

He said he would confront the sceptics with "unassailable stories" of global warming, from the sudden collapse of an Antarctic ice shelf to a 12 per cent decline in Perth's rainfall over 25 years.

"One of my challenges is to bring on board some of the business leaders who are still sceptical about greenhouse as a policy challenge," Senator Campbell told The Australian.

He declined to give examples, saying there were "a lot of people in the community generally who are still sceptical about whether this is a serious issue for Australia".

Part of his campaign against climate scepticism would be a forum on global warming in Sydney in April, hosted by the US-based Pew Centre, and involving Australia, New Zealand and business representatives.

Senator Campbell said he hoped this year would bring together three warring factions on climate change.

"There's the sceptics who say it's all crap and we should just get on with business," he said. "There are those like me who have got a pragmatic, practical view (who) believe that climate change is a very serious issue for Australia.

"And then there's the third group, which is the sort of radical, 'quick, let's fix it because the world's going to come to an end' (group)."

Having spent several months in his new environment portfolio reviewing the evidence, Senator Campbell said he accepted the greenhouse theory that emissions such as carbon dioxide from industry were the cause of global warming.

"Even if you're a greenhouse sceptic you need to face the fact that the climate is changing," he said.

"Whether or not you accept that human activity is changing (the climate), you almost need to put that to one side.

"To have that argument about whether or not it is human-induced for the next 25 years or so is not sensible."

But a former head of Australia's National Climate Centre, William Kininmonth, a greenhouse sceptic, said it was not possible to decide a rational response to climate change until its cause was understood.

If, as he believed, recent global warming was in the main due to natural climate variation, then cutting back greenhouse gas emissions would have little effect, he said.

"If it's part of the natural cycle of climate, then we should identify how the climate is going to change in the future and we should adapt to that change," Mr Kininmonth said.

[Yaak]

JR did you and Karen have a nice New Year? Can someone post her photo so we all can see and dream? Will you settle for a photo of The Shadow?

[whitemajikman]

Wayne, why not contact this person:

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WHEN ASKED Monday if climate change -- global warming -- was behind the deadly Asian tsunami, the United Nation's Jan Egeland -- he of "stingy" aid fame -- said no, the tsunami was a "geologically caused" disaster. "A tsunami like this is caused by an earthquake that has nothing to do with climate change, " he explained.

Minutes later, however, Egeland did suggest a possible connection between global warming and the disaster. He had heard that one-third of the Maldives islands disappeared momentarily underwater, he said, adding that "actually climate change means oceans (are) growing, (so) certainly tsunamis will have an ever greater effect."

Most environmentalists, to their credit, are not trying to capitalize on the Asian catastrophe. But a few cannot resist.

As a letter writer in the New York Times scolded, "But the next time there is a severe offshore earthquake and resulting tsunami, the sea level will be just a little bit higher, and the water and destruction will go a bit further inland and kill even more people. And for that, (President Bush) will bear some culpability for not even wanting to consider global warming, much less do anything about it as the leader of the country most responsible for man-made warming and ice-cap melting."

(Forget that Bill Clinton never worked to ratify Kyoto -- just blame Bush.)

In an unhappy slice of synergy, the tsunami hit just after Michael Crichton's new novel, "State of Fear," was released. The plot involves eco- terrorists who try to create four "natural disasters" (including a tsunami) in order to alert the world to the dangers of global warming. Crichton penned the book to warn the public not to believe everything it hears about global warming.

In his mind, "environmentalism" has become a religion. As he said in a 2003 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, "There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature; there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge and, as a result of our actions, there is a judgment day coming for us all."

Crichton takes on the gospel according to the enviros, that is: That all scientists believe global-warming is human-induced, that climate projections are accurate, that the planet is undergoing unusual change, when change is the norm in nature.

I saved the September 2004 National Geographic issue on global warming to read after the election -- to see if there is reason to reconsider my skepticism. The part on the dwindling Adelie penguins that inhabit the Antarctic Peninsula, with actual statistics, gave me pause. Otherwise, on every page, Crichton's complaints came to life.

In the article, true believers warned that the end was near. The magazine cited climate models as if they were peer-reviewed fact. "I don't think anybody down here looks at the sea-level-rise problem and puts their heads in the sand," it quoted Windell Curole, the manager of a Louisiana levee district. To back up the sea-level argument, a chart shows the sea level rising four inches over 100 years. The problem is, the earliest data is from 2000, so the chart doesn't show actual increases; it plots "projections." A best-case scenario shows the four-inch rise by 2100; a worst-case scenario shows a rise closer to three feet. Guesstimates aren't hard science.

The Libertarian-leaning Cato Institute's Pat Michaels, who wrote his book on global warming, "Meltdown," took on the National Geographic piece in an op- ed published in the Washington Times. Michaels chided the magazine for showing a flooded rice field in Bangladesh, cautioning that rising global temperatures and sea levels threaten rice farming. "In the last 50 years," he wrote, the sea level at Bangladesh has risen "an infinitesimal seven-tenths of an inch, far too little for anyone to notice."

National Geographic editor William L. Allen responded just as Crichton's characters would -- by attacking Michaels personally for writing a report funded by "the Western Fuels Association, an association of coal-burning utility companies." The letter didn't take on Michaels' facts.

On Dec. 29, National Geographic's Web site reported that while media accounts "frequently assert that climate change is uncertain," a UC San Diego professor read 928 scientific papers and found, "Not one of the papers refuted the claim that human activities are affecting the Earth's climate." (Funny, Crichton's 20-page bibliography found contrary opinions.)

But as Crichton and Michaels both argue, some global-warming true believers argue things that they know aren't true. And that makes them dangerous.

E-mail Debra J. Saunders at dsaunders@sfchronicle.com.

An Excellent Enlightening Post Gaia........

Too Bad it went over Waynes Head............


WMM

[whitemajikman]

The Shadow Knows nothing,because it is nothing.......

Nothing of substance anyways......

And Anytime the Shadow thinks it is winning.........

It Makes a post proving the contrary........

Any time you want to know about the Hoax that is Manmade Global warming........

Make a post.......

Everything else that you have posted up to this point is a "CHILDS TEMPER TANTRUM"..........

Face the Facts Shadow .........

You Truly are in the Dark..........


WMM

[whitemajikman]

Halva inquires:

"Why is it that Jim writes his religious views into postings nominally focused on matters of science?"

========

Let us go into this a little deeper, as you seem to suggest that my views on religion are uniquely my views. My intention is to tell the full and complete history for religion without any truncated moments in history. I tend to focus in the Manhattan Project and the problems with Germany and Hitler to present much of that old history in its true context. Which would mean that it is a part of the history for religion, and not views unique to myself.

Going into detail, once again using photos, take a look at this one from a local church in Oak Ridge as it speaks a million words. I use it to begin teaching of how the Jewish relgion was a centerpiece for the existance of Oak Ridge and how much they are intertwined politically.




In this photo one can see how much the nuclear projects are Jewish, as even the sign of the atom and that for nuclear energy have the Star of David carefully hidden. After all, it was Jewish scientists that discovered fission in Germany, and the Jewish financed campaign against Hitler that came to develop the A-bomb, some even call it the Jewish bomb.

This photo from the St. Marys' Catholic Church of Oak Ridge literally speaks a million words on the enjoining of Jewish issues with the Manhattan Project. One can see the little dot in the center of the Atom, this is about the Sun sign--which is a root for Egypian religion which Moses later cloned for his purposes.

What is most symbolic is Mary is standing on the snake to suggest that the poisons of the Earth that enter the food chain must be controlled and moderated, and we see this in evidance for Environmental concerns every day. It is also very symbolic that the Jewish Star of David and the associated atom sign is put into this same need to control. This is extremely important to grasp. Mary's ideals above those of the Jews.

This statue is really hated by some factions in Oak Ridge and it has been vandalized in attempts to distroy it because of the message it puts forth. This photo here was taken long ago, when it was in near perfect condition.

Lets take a look at the top:




Here we have some more symbolism, keeping in mind that Mary stands over the top of the Jewish Star and the Jewish bomb, and this suggests she and Jesus have the superior divine intellect. In this top section Mary is topped with the hat of the old world Popes and she is praying facing the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant in the distance and the Oak Ridge Reservation.

Now one must add on that Mary and Jesus were of the same divine intellect of their times and Mary wanted Jesus to become great and set the record straigh on what they believed God should be and they came out against the man-made version of god from the Torah and Talmud. Jesus became so popular that he was a treat to these entriched god made by man stories. Likely both Mary and Jesus contributed to the thoughts that became Revelations based on these wrong assumptions on the part of the Jewish religion.

The first photo also associates the snake with the symbol of Moses and the Jews, and the real story of Moses is one connected with volvcanic sciences and the power of some of the acids and poisons from volcanic releases. Mt. Sinai was an active volcano in Moses times, and one of the most serious tricks in alchemy is using volcanic released gas, which are acids. The most deadly of these acids is HF or hydrogen fluoride.

In fact, the games that Moses was playing with these alchemical poisons had the people in his time worship the snake symbolsim of his staff. The early Jews that followed the Moses issues were following some alchemical concepts and knock offs of the Egyptian religion. Hence, some people call this early form of the Moses god as satanic. And this shows up in the Michalangelo's stone carving for Moses, which has horns on his head like some devil.


So, lets take a quick jump in time to that of Hitler and Germany. History tells us that Germany had some severe sanction to pay for the first war and Hitler was a worker party person that had enough of the severe sanctions. Hitler studied religions and he thought of Jesus as a Jewish reformer of his times. Hitler came to pattern his own religion with he as the head, the swastika as his cross and so on. He was a new Roman Empire. He soon banned the Jews because they kept trying to control Germany and make money, this is the state within a state issue that always seems to follow Jewish entrenchment into Govts.

This caused the Jews in the US to declair war on Hitler, so as this worsened Hitler put all the Rabbis in concentration labor camps and all the Jews. This caused lots of the Jews to flee Europe and lots of them came to the US under a program run by Leslie Groves and formed up what was to became the Manhattan Projects. Leslie Groves built the Pentagon, ran operation to collect the Jewish scientists, and came to head the Manhattan Project. Lots of Jewish religion input went into how to run this huge fluorine plant here that enriched the bomb uranium and cost the Fed Res Bank some 25% of the Manhattan Project's cost.


So, one can see there is a long standing connection between the bomb, its symbols, the Jews, and the games ole Moses played with volcanic acids from Mt. Sinai. So, as we get into the issues of acid rain, global warming, and such there are some interesting overlaps into the Jewish religion factors and the Manhattan Projects bombs. It is no wonder that we discovered these global warming factors and acid rain factors in Oak Ridge due to these inner circle bits of knowledge. It is also no wonder that we intimately connect relgion to their discovery.

It is also the principle reason that I find it important to begin to tie in the association of Revelations with these problems of acid rain and health, and global warming and odd weather patterns. What better way to wake up a Christan Country to the higher values, the higher divine thoughts of Mary and Jesus? It will challenge what the Jews want suppressed, but it is still the truth of the matter. It is a truth that is not unique to Jim, but a truth that was suppressed by Oak Ridge and its Jewish system that is being made more evident to everyone.

So, what we see is the Holocaust was used to challenge religion after the war and challenge the Pope in Vatican as having a role in the death of so many Jewish people. So, the Vatican began to capitulate under the attacks and laid down their complaints against the Jewish version of god being wrong. This began to merge god and God, which made for huge problems down the road. The US and Allies had to deal with a few million misplaced persons in the German concentration camps of Europe and after some two years of feeding them decided to give them a part of Palestine. Now, the Jews had a presense as a national country and this made for even more problems to the point of them getting the nuclear bomb.

President Truman once remarked that he hated the Jews, as they came after him in pretty much the same ways you see being used on this Forum in attacks on Jim Phelps. James Forrestal said not to worry about the Jews, as the Arabs will drive them into the Mediterranean. Forrestal would come to tell so many great secrets on the Jewish problem and Area 51's Rockefeller research that he met a suspious death, and the DOE named their HQ building in DC after him. Once you know the meaning of this statue, one can see why even US presidents get killed in '63. The Jews can be very malicius toward getting what they want and using their money connections to get there.

I know it does not appear easily evident that these global warming issues and acid rain effects are part of the Revelations prophicies of the bible's narratives, but this is perhaps the biggest bit of information that should be gleaned from observing the bigger picture. One must connect the Jewish resistance to Revelations and those envionmental problems being exposed to see how massive this need of the US to cover up the existance of global warming and the health effects associated to acid rain, the poison HF, and the catalytic shift in the trace metals leading to illness and disease. What we are dealing with and what we discovered at ORNL back in the mid-80's was the exact reasons for the Jesus and his Revelations warnings.

Just the Manhattan Projects needs to cover up the fluorine problems is enough to realize the association to Jewish industries, Jewish banking, and one huge issue connected directly to religion itself.

So, do I think this should enter discussions---definitely. Do I think it a historical part of the political sciences of what is going on with global warming and acid rain---definitely. Would I enter such details into scientific discussions----definitely as it would be replete with omission not to emphasize these connections. I think it would be considered deceptive not to have included these factors.

Con't---


Hey Jimmy when I Read your Drivel All I could think about Is The Movie "A Beautiful Mind"..........

Are you currently broke and cannot afford your Anti-Psychotic Meds........?

If So we could always pass the hat around ..........

It would be worth it to see how you are when your not Delusional.........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

And Then there is BUZZRAMJET.......

WMM

[whitemajikman]

This statue is really hated by some factions in Oak Ridge and it has been vandalized in attempts to distroy it because of the message it puts forth.

Name These Factions please...........

Your refusal to do so would imply that you are indeed insane and making this up as you go along in an attempt to feel important and in the Know.......

In other words Jimmy Boy .......

Nice entertaining story......but has no factual content provided by the author........who is YOU.......

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Gaiacomm, are you trying to get me e-mailing someone who supports Crichton and Michaels?

To say what?

And Jim I can't follow your postings and your free-associational style of writing.

I am not an Orthodox Christian or any other kind of Christian, Jew, Muslim or anything else and I have no opinion on many of the subjects you bring into your postings.


Whatever you wish! Now is your time to be heard by a major newspaper! Its worth a try...

[gaiacomm]

Will you settle for a photo of The Shadow?




I was kind of hoping for a photo of JR's Karen. It exists but I don't think JR wishes it to be posted!

[gaiacomm]

An Excellent Enlightening Post Gaia........

Too Bad it went over Waynes Head............


WMM


Thank you, And yes I know.

[gaiacomm]

The Greatest Jew story ever told!

I don't hate Jews, I just wish to understand the hate.

Why do people wish to Kill Jews? Why do people wish to Burn Jews, Why are Jews like roaches and are everywhere in every business? Why do Jews have to be eliminated at all costs?


But now these groups, KKK and others they seem to be larger and more powerful than you think. I always respect my opponent. I never underestimate its strength!

You will be surprised how many people even your friends hate Jews and other races.

Palestine must be returned to the rightful people. Many more jews will die because of this simple fact.

When the Jews are backed into a corner and they think they have won the power that will overcome them will come from under their feet!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva Writes:

""And Jim I can't follow your postings and your free-associational style of writing.""
====
It is rather interesting that Reynolds followed it, and Gaia, but somehow you did not??
This is rather purplexing. Some real insights there.



I am not an Orthodox Christian or any other kind of Christian, Jew, Muslim or anything else and I have no opinion on many of the subjects you bring into your postings.""
====
Obviously you did have some opinions on the Subjects that I post (captured below), and even asked a bunch of questions to which you received a detailed reply. A reply that Gaia seems to grasp.

Perhaps, if you want to delve into questions pertaining to religion you need to be able to comprehind things in the areas of discussions by doing your homework. One should seek to understand the intricacies of the situations involving the public mindsets.

Over here in the US, the public is 80% Christian based and I am sure a similar number in the EU proper. So, not to comprehind these factors can be a detriment to the causes at hand.

Thanks for the comment on openmindedness.

Keep listing the global warming news of EU and elsewhere. And I shall keep the factors of the bigger picture in my commentary.

IMHO,
is


Halva previously commented:
===
""As a non-scientist I can't judge the scientific value of what Jim writes on science, but I suspect that if he were addressing a strictly scientific audience he would focus on science, not on Jews.

It is the conventions of mass politics, not the specific content of his prejudices, that give the best explanation for why Jim writes the way he does here.

I am glad to see that Jim, unlike Raynolds, has an open mind and does not feel threatened by approaches that are different from his own.""
===

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gaia writes:

"The Greatest Jew story ever told!
I don't hate Jews, I just wish to understand the hate."
========

Gaia,

What happened with all the secret handshakes and secret passwords from bluesville? Surely all that backslapping and brotherhood lead somewhere?

I think intelligent folks do not hate the Jews, but we do hold them accountable to truth. They really don't like being accountable.

There is an old saying when speaking of conspiracies, that the Jews are always the first to downplay the existance of large conspracies. Next in line are the GOP types like Newt Gingrich.

Just like the ways the NAZIs came to power using shout down tactics in the public meeting halls to promote Hitler, we see that sort of thing come full circle to the point of the shout down methods used by some of the Jews and Masons here.


What is always the issue that lead to hate and great wars, simple, gross violations of the truth leading to harm for a group of persons or state. With Hitler it was the economic sanctions from the bankers. The Jews story is one of being kicked out of country after country for trying their state within a state games, and in many cases they were killed for doing these things.

In the case of the Jewish issues, their religion was rooted in Moses and his stuff began with worship of his snake icon staff of power. Moses magic came from Mt. Sinai--a volcano. They later mined it for Gold, and all the other things like acids.

They could not tell this in the long term as some kind of divine issue, so. Then, it got into how these men of religion could clean up that image a bit. But what it became was one of man shaping god for his purposes. Ole stone mason of Italy put it in his painting and scultures.

Man shaping God for his purposes--- is the violation of truth. So, when we get into these Masons and their reverence to god---they should be wise enough to pay attention to their own Icons and wise stone masons of earlier days. But, as we see here, there is a lot of hate from the Jewish-Mason factions expressed.

One of the problems is the Jews don't even understand the orgin and progress of their own religion. They do understand networking and power, and this usually gets to the point of their challenging the state's power. Which results in these pograms against Jews all down history's timeline. The Vatican largely differed with the Jews version of God until the times after the Holocaust. Martin Luther from the times of Michaelangelo was extremely critical of the Jews.

What is the prime factor for the hate, violations of truth. Plus a lot of very stupid people these days.

There was lots of sorrow for the Jews over the Holocaust and they have indeed exploited it for all its worth. But the original problems stem from seeking money and power. When the Vatican gave in on their differences with the Jews over the god vs God issues----they merged the ole test and the new test. Which set up the rise of the anti-christ. The god of the old test was the vengeful feared god, and the God of the New Test was the loving and nuturing God. They are not the same.

And this is going to be one huge problem. Your little mason-jew can design web sites on the True Torah Jews, but he still falls well short of respect for Rabbi Jesus. Only when the Jews can admit these Torah and Talmud have some flaws can these problems get resolved in the long term.

Just like the Masons are a little secret socitey based on brotherhood and support of each other, so are the Jews and their religion. The Jews took naturally to the Masons. However, the common failings stem from what is the truer definition of God and the common good. If these issues of God and the common good are ill defined, then problems of going in the wrong directions become prominent. When these failings keep promoting the wrong ideals to the point of promoting themselves and harming others. Then one fails both God and common good.

That failing enters the picture in the Old Testaments need of man to design God for his purposes.


In many ways, the world would be much better off with God just defined as ultimate enlightnment. But for some, it appears an inborn need from the DNA. When man can do without the crutches of these needs---he might get into the promissed land.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Gaia writes:

"The Greatest Jew story ever told!
I don't hate Jews, I just wish to understand the hate."
========

Gaia,

What happened with all the secret handshakes and secret passwords from bluesville? Surely all that backslapping and brotherhood lead somewhere?

I thing everyone does not hate the Jews, but we do hold them accountable to truth.

There is an old saying when speaking of conspiracies, that the Jews are always the first to downplay the existance of large conspracies. Next in line are the GOP types like Newt Gingrich.

Just like the ways the NAZIs came to power using shout down tactics in the public meeting halls to promote Hitler, we see that sort of thing come full circle to the point of the shout down methods used by some of the Jews and Masons here.


What is always the issues that lead to hate and great wars, simple, gross violations of the truth leading to harm for a group of persons or state. With Hitler it was the economic sanctions from the bankers.

In the case of the Jewish issues, their religion was rooted in Moses and his stuff began with worship of his snake icon staff of power. Moses magic came from Mt. Sinai--a volcano. They later mined it for Gold, and all the other things like acids.

They could not tell this in the long term as some kind of divine issue, so. Then, it got into how these men of religion could clean up that image a bit. But what it became was one of man shaping god for his purposes. Ole stone mason of Italy put it in his painting and scultures.

Man shaping God for his purposes--- is the violation of truth. So, when we get into these Masons and their reverence to god---they should be wise enough to pay attention to their own Icons and wise stone masons of earlier days. But, as we see here, there is a lot of hate from the Jewish-Mason factions expressed.

One of the problems is the Jews don't even understand the orgin and progress of their own religion. They do understand networking and power, and this usually gets to the point of their challenging the state's power. Which results in these pograms against Jews all down history's timeline.

What is the prime factor for the hate, violations of truth. Plus a lot of very stupid people these days.

There was lots of sorrow for the Jews over the Holocaust and they have indeed exploited it for all its worth. But the original problems stem from seeking money and power. When the vatican gave in on their differences with the Jews over the god vs God issues----they merged the ole test and the new test. Which set up the rise of the anti-christ.

And this is going to be one huge problem. Your little mason-jew can design web sites on the True Torah Jews, but he still falls well short of respect for Rabbi Jesus. Only when the Jews can admit these Torah and Talmud have some flaws can these problems get resolved in the long term.

IMHO,
is


I understand what you say. Being a Mason is not what it seems!

[Yaak]

You will be surprised how many people even your friends hate Jews and other races.
Allow me to rephrase that to reflect my observations: I am amazed at the large percentage of people that hate other people because of the other peoples' ancestry and/or religion.

[gaiacomm]

Allow me to rephrase that to reflect my observations: I am amazed at the large percentage of people that hate other people because of the other peoples' ancestry and/or religion.


Excellent post!

[gaiacomm]

Christians came to America and slaugtered the Indians and other less fortunate races...all in the name of GOD. The Jews and the Christians seem to have the same agendas and Islam.

Murder and rape in the name of their Jihad! So who do we hate? Maybe ourselves first for allowing the same idiots to reign over us all and pretend that everything is ok and that our government will protect us from are own evils. The Catholic church is full of Gays and other troubles, and the list goes on! The Jews had there chance and now its time for them to leave and let someone else fix it!

Jesus could care less what is happening now....he is dead or is he? Maybe Jesus and others like him are trying to tell us something!

We should listen and remember that the Kingdom of God is in us all!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gaia writes:

"Christians came to America and slaugtered the Indians and other less fortunate races...all in the name of GOD. The Jews and the Christians seem to have the same agendas and Islam."
=====

Gaia,

Do the history time lines and events. In the old days the crusades went down to Jerusalem and killed all the Jews they could find and called them all "Infadels." The Christians agreed with the Islams words.

This lasted through time up to the concessions for the Holocaust. All of the American Congress in the 40s tried not to notice all the Jews getting killed in the concentration camps in German/Poland, etc. The Vatican tried not to notice. They did not notice until the news got there and the word hit the international news. Then everyone took two years to figure what to do with the mess.

The war ended and there were some two million Jews in displaced persons camps in Germany the the US and allies had to feed for two years.

This forced concessions in the differences between the Jews and the Vatican and the US had to do something with two million Jews, so they gave them this land in Palestine.

If one looks way back in time, the Jews never held any titles to Palestine and the right thing to do was for them to be integrated into this area and learn to live with everyone in peace.

Instead the Jews can't seem to figure out their religion keeps causing problems, so now in place of the Germans tossing them in walled camps, they are making themselves their own walled camp.

When they are not doing that, they are pulling games on the US to make them hate the Arabs and call them the new Infadels. The Bush mafia taking tons of money from this new stageing of who are the Infadels.


The problems lie in these secret societies business. There is always this need of secret societies to control and seek power. In Oak Ridge, joining the Masons was how one got a job in Oak Ridge in the early years. The Masons took care of each other and networked to get each other high paying jobs. Oak Ridge was the ultimate of secret societies. It was designed to make the bomb for the Jews, financed by the Jewish banks, and ultiately used by the Jews to promote more problems.

How the Masons worked in Oak Ridge is how the Jews work to gain power and the state within a state problems that lead to the pograms.

The secret society of Oak Ridge was filled with Bible toating Masons, and some of them came to hate a president called JFK. Hated him because he wanted peace, he was going to expose how the White House was being used in promoting wars for profits, and he was going to expose the overbearing control of the Fed Res system and stop that. Plus, he was going to deny Israel the bomb. Jewish hate killed JFK, in the very same way it now kills Arabs.

Lots of the problem is that bankers (especially the Rothschilds) like to milk systems and when they can't do that well enough directly they help promote wars and finance them, and when all is done take the spoils and expand their ownership. It also lowers the population, which is what the Bush and Rothschilds want. It is the process of the secret society called the Skulls that promote these Rothschilds bloodthirsty techniques leading to the NWO. (aka New World Ownership) Currently they are gaming the Arabs to get control of all their oil, and using the Jews as the pawns. The Rothschilds Fed Reser coffers are filled financing the war via the US national debt.

You can put a band-aid on the name plate of a B-87 nuclear bomb to conceil what it is, but the band aid does not change the problem. You can put a band-aid on Israel by the Vatican capitulating on the Old Test problems with the Jews to conceil that their religion has serious problems, but you still have a bomb.

When Oak Ridge got into the plot to kill JFK a lot of Masons and highly religious persons were involved. We have to remember secret societies, be they Masons, be it the US national security systems, or the secrets of the Jews can cause tremendous problems in an instant.

The problems lie in the lack of openness from the secret societies, and the loss of accountabilty by the public being able to see what is happening.

You need to stand up as one helping to promote this lack of accountabilty by secret societies and using the power of a brotherhood to gain success. Can't you do the same things by just telling the truth to everyone you meet?

IMHO,
is

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/01/politics/01dobson.html?adxnnl=1&oref=login&adxnnlx=1104585791-xXAXgWTcCdjibmFcrzOdgw

http://www.dailyprobe.com/arcs/080602/reward.shtml

[Yaak]

Christians came to America and slaugtered the Indians and other less fortunate races...all in the name of GOD. The Jews and the Christians seem to have the same agendas and Islam.

Murder and rape in the name of their Jihad! So who do we hate? Maybe ourselves first for allowing the same idiots to reign over us all and pretend that everything is ok and that our government will protect us from are own evils. The Catholic church is full of Gays and other troubles, and the list goes on! The Jews had there chance and now its time for them to leave and let someone else fix it!

Jesus could care less what is happening now....he is dead or is he? Maybe Jesus and others like him are trying to tell us something!

We should listen and remember that the Kingdom of God is in us all!
The cause of this behavior may be something far simpler than religion: basic animal instinct - the instinct to destroy those perceived as a threat because of their differences.

Now take that basic instinct, and exploit it for reasons of human greed.

Whether you believe Him to be the Son of God or merely a prophet, Jesus’ messages have the same meaning.

Love each other.

Love our enemies.

They sound like simple ideas, but are, apparently, impossible to achieve. Obtainable or not, they remain goals to strive for.

It is a life long challenge to overcome that basic animal instinct, due to different parts of our brain continually conflicting with each other.

The challenge becomes even more difficult when greedy, evil people attempt to control us with our cerebral battle.

Religion is the easiest form of control to use.

[halva]

Whatever you wish! Now is your time to be heard by a major newspaper! Its worth a try...

What are you talking about here?

[halva]

Halva Writes:

""And Jim I can't follow your postings and your free-associational style of writing.""
====
It is rather interesting that Reynolds followed it, and Gaia, but somehow you did not??
This is rather purplexing. Some real insights there.


I don't care what Raynolds follows or doesn't follow.

On the subject of Jews, I will say this. It impresses me that so big a role in the development of atomic weapons was played by Hungarian Jews, but it is the effects of their nationality more than their religion that I find interesting.

Edward Teller is of course the paradigmatic example, and he is someone we later meet also in the 'chemtrails' context.

How has it been possible for the historically-conditioned experiences of this man to imprint themselves so heavily on the lives of other people with quite different real needs and priorities? Teller has possibly done more than any one man to destroy the planet we live on. How did he and his milieu get this power? What motivated him to persist, long past the time when his actions could be interpreted as serving any comprehensible purpose, however subjective and historically conditioned?

Teller's early life was marked by his experience under the short-lived Hungarian Soviet, a weird political hybrid that gained most of whatever short-term power it had from Hungary's massive loss of territory as a result of being on the losing side in World War I. The Communists promised to get back the lost national territories, thus taking on a role more usually played by fascists.

All through his European years and his early years in the United States Teller was a political liberal. He switched over from the Democrat to the Republican camp in the course of his campaigning for the hydrogen bomb, on which issue he had lost the support of American liberals.

The defeat of Eastern European and Soviet Communism, the reassertion of German as opposed to the Russian, priorities in Europe marked the victory of everything that Teller,
as a person of German cultural orientation, had ever sincerely and wholeheartedly desired for Europe. Why did he not move to clinch this victory? For example by demanding total Soviet nuclear disarmament?

Was he really so caught up in his Star Wars fantasies that he could give them priority over the political purposes out of which once, somewhere in his consciousness, they must initially have grown?

I would truly like to understand more about all these issues, but I don't think hammering on the 'Jewish' aspect of things takes one very far. Teller and his milieu were secular liberal people for whom religion was not very important.

[halva]

The secret society of Oak Ridge was filled with Bible toating Masons, and some of them came to hate a president called JFK. Hated him because he wanted peace, he was going to expose how the White House was being used in promoting wars for profits, and he was going to expose the overbearing control of the Fed Res system and stop that. Plus, he was going to deny Israel the bomb. Jewish hate killed JFK, in the very same way it now kills Arabs.


On the subject of JFK and Khrushchev, I recently read a book by the anti-Castro Cuban exile Servando Gonzalez which convincingly (at least to me) showed how Khrushchev's aims in installing 'nuclear missiles' in Cuba were to provoke an American invasion of Cuba
and the overthrow of Castro, initially at least in favour of someone closer to the Communist Party and more easily controllable by Moscow.

Gonzalez shows what a headache Castro was to Moscow, how he was leading the Soviet Union into overextending itself, taking on much more political responsibility in the Western Hemisphere than it was capable of handling. He shows how bad Cuban-Soviet relations were immediately prior to the missile crisis, and how Khrushchev gambled that by installing 'nuclear missiles' so close to the United States he could get the Americans to solve his Castro problem for him.

The plan backfired because Kennedy decided not to do what Khrushchev thought he would do. Instead of invading Cuba he launched a naval blockade of Cuba and threatened nuclear strikes against the Soviet Union if the Russians didn't withdraw missiles immediately.

Khrushchev panicked when he saw that he had misjudged the situation so badly, and went to pieces.

Kennedy's actions were officially celebrated as a vindication of American toughness, but in fact very very many people were pissed off with Kennedy that he didn't do what Khrushchev wanted him to do: invade Cuba and overthrow Castro. He had let the opportunity slip, and today Castro is still with us, even if the Soviet Union is not.

Gonzalez also provides evidence that the 'missiles' the Soviets put in Cuba were not missiles, but dummies of the kind used in Red Square military parades. It was also apparently part of Khrushchev's plan to make the US look ridiculous by invading Cuba to take out the nuclear missiles and then finding, as in Iraq today, that there were no nuclear missiles there. And indeed Kennedy never checked the Soviet military ships departing Cuba to see if they really were removing the 'missiles'. It seems he didn't want to discover what Khrushchev had allegedly planned that he should discover: that the Cuba missile crisis was a fraud and that there were no missiles.

Looking at the situation from Kennedy's viewpoint, if indeed he was as smart as Gonzalez makes him out to be, it seems that his priority was not to overthrow 'Communism' on America's doorstop but to disabuse the Soviets of the notion that 'nuclear diplomacy' was something they too were going to be allowed to indulge in. The function of Soviet nuclear weapons was to be a bogy for the American population, not an instrument for achieving independent Soviet political objectives.

The Kennedy brothers, it is said, tried to murder Castro, and would certainly have been very pleased to see him go, but in 1961 what they had to decide was whether it was more important to get rid of Casto or to teach the Russians that nuclear weapons were a load of bullshit, and they had better not start taking themselves seriously just because they had them.

I don't mind that they decided it was more important to teach the Russians that lesson, but a lot of powerful Americans obviously did, and they decided to 'get' Kennedy after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211412



http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211399

Look at all that has been heaped upon you, Stuart, simply because I ended a sentence with a preposition. Can you ever forgive me?

She thought she could put Stuart down.
It's obviously all she can think of.
She got taken under.
Now she can't get off.
Any fool can see where she's coming from.
She'd be better off if she shut up.

You are both incorrect.

Yaakass, this whole brouhaha regarding prepositions, grammar, and correctness of the English language was set in motion by Mr. Reynolds at another message board almost a month ago. His ignorance as a hack investigator surged to the forefront as he declared to the world that he had “unmasked” The Shadow. Big deal. This is how it transpired:



The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of Jay Reynolds. The Shadow knows...
But Jay Reynolds knows who the shadow is......................
Bingo!- Diane Harvey(aka.'Merak'; Sedona; Sedonadiane,etc.)
you old hag. I'd recognize you anywhere

Although Mr. Reynolds is still clinging to his use of the pronoun “she,” I notice that he has dropped the reference to the name “Diane” – at least this time. Could he be backing off from his earlier claim? I doubt it. Should he be forced to admit that his power of deduction is seriously flawed – and it is – the validity of his entire portfolio of exposés would rightly be called into question. There is enough theft of identities in this world without the sensationalism exhibited by Mr. Reynolds and his arbitrary assignments.

Mr. Reynolds, you assert, “Any fool can see where [he's] coming from.” Okay, fool, your opinion is noted. Without specifics, that is all you have – an opinion.

With or without your permission, Mr. Allslop’s cavalier charade was documented in minute detail – with no room for misinterpretation. If you see things differently, it will not cause me to lose any sleep. The matter is closed.

The Shadow knows...

[gaiacomm]

The cause of this behavior may be something far simpler than religion: basic animal instinct - the instinct to destroy those perceived as a threat because of their differences.

Now take that basic instinct, and exploit it for reasons of human greed.

Whether you believe Him to be the Son of God or merely a prophet, Jesus’ messages have the same meaning.

Love each other.

Love our enemies.

They sound like simple ideas, but are, apparently, impossible to achieve. Obtainable or not, they remain goals to strive for.

It is a life long challenge to overcome that basic animal instinct, due to different parts of our brain continually conflicting with each other.

The challenge becomes even more difficult when greedy, evil people attempt to control us with our cerebral battle.

Religion is the easiest form of control to use.




Good post, points well taken!

[gaiacomm]

What are you talking about here?

I thought you might wish to publish an editorial in the SF Newspaper.

[gaiacomm]

Maybe America will return to its rightful people. And the Jews all they need to do is just forgive and forget and give back what is not theirs. Jesus as a man is dead...he may live in your hearts and minds but that is all. Gays are people that are in every culture and the Catholic church is not full of gays but they do have men who like to have sex with boys..in the name of God!

[The Shadow]

There is life away from these message boards, you know. If people did not spend so much time posting, they might discover the existence of more constructive activities. I am quite proud of my low average of 0.57 posts per day at this board. It is virtually nil at any others.

Last night, I spent several hours in 25° F. weather photographing Comet Machholz. In early November, I managed to obtain several photos of the spectacular auroral display. Note the position of the Big Dipper, relative to the northern horizon. Kochab and Pherkad are visible to the upper left. That is hardly reflective of the latitude of Sedona, AZ.

The Shadow knows where he lives...

[gaiacomm]

There is life away from these message boards, you know. If people did not spend so much time posting, they might discover the existence of more constructive activities. I am quite proud of my low average of 0.57 posts per day at this board. It is virtually nil at any others.

Last night, I spent several hours in 25° F. weather photographing Comet Machholz. In early November, I managed to obtain several photos of the spectacular auroral display. Note the position of the Big Dipper, relative to the northern horizon. Kochab and Pherkad are visible to the upper left. That is hardly reflective of the latitude of Sedona, AZ.

The Shadow knows where he lives...




Notice the date stamp in the left corner!

[jayreynolds]

Yaakass, this whole brouhaha regarding prepositions, grammar, and correctness of the English language was set in motion by Mr. Reynolds at another message board almost a month ago. The matter is closed.

Diane Harvey(aka. 'The Shadow')
Sounds like I really brought you down.
You didn't get the point Yaak was getting across.
Being exposed in a hoax must be hard to go through.
You must understand that truth is what I'm heading towards.
It's obvious that truth is what you are against.
You're not as frilly worded as before.
You've come down from that high-horse schoolmarm pedestal you were upon.
Most of us can't see where you're at.
See you around.

[halva]

I thought you might wish to publish an editorial in the SF Newspaper.

An editorial is an article written by the editor of the newspaper. Or at least that was the original meaning of the word. It is an article reflecting the line that the newspaper wishes to take on a specific subject.

[jayreynolds]

Jimbo, where were you yesterday evening?
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/12/63607019.shtml?Element_ID=63607019

If any of you chemmies have knowledge of the perpetrators of this anti-aviation activity, better turn yourselves in ASAP. I am informing the FBI of my suspicions that some of you may be involved. I'm certain the information will be taken seriously considering past threats involving spotlighting of aircraft among members of the Carnicom faction.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000204.html

If you come out now and tell everything you know, it'll go easier on you. If anyone wishes me to help negotiate such a surrender for you, just let me know. I'll do my best to see no one gets hurt.

[The Shadow]

gaiacomm,

The date stamp is in the lower right corner and is partially obscured. It reads, “’04 11 8” (yy mm dd).

The Shadow knows...

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211878



http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211861

Yaakass, this whole brouhaha regarding prepositions, grammar, and correctness of the English language was set in motion by Mr. Reynolds at another message board almost a month ago. (Complete quote restored to maintain context): His ignorance as a hack investigator surged to the forefront as he declared to the world that he had “unmasked” The Shadow. Big deal. This is how it transpired:



The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of Jay Reynolds. The Shadow knows...
But Jay Reynolds knows who the shadow is......................
Bingo!- Diane Harvey(aka.'Merak'; Sedona; Sedonadiane,etc.)
you old hag. I'd recognize you anywhere

Although Mr. Reynolds is still clinging to his use of the pronoun “she,” I notice that he has dropped the reference to the name “Diane” – at least this time. Could he be backing off from his earlier claim? I doubt it. Should he be forced to admit that his power of deduction is seriously flawed – and it is – the validity of his entire portfolio of exposés would rightly be called into question. There is enough theft of identities in this world without the sensationalism exhibited by Mr. Reynolds and his arbitrary assignments.

Mr. Reynolds, you assert, “Any fool can see where [he's] coming from.” Okay, fool, your opinion is noted. Without specifics, that is all you have – an opinion.

With or without your permission, Mr. Allslop’s cavalier charade was documented in minute detail – with no room for misinterpretation. If you see things differently, it will not cause me to lose any sleep. The matter is closed.

Diane Harvey(aka. 'The Shadow')
Sounds like I really brought you down.
You didn't get the point Yaak was getting across.
Being exposed in a hoax must be hard to go through.
You must understand that truth is what I'm heading towards.
It's obvious that truth is what you are against.
You're not as frilly worded as before.
You've come down from that high-horse schoolmarm pedestal you were upon.
Most of us can't see where you're at.
See you around.

Mr. Reynolds, do not bother with your usual dose of baseless self-adulation. I got Yaakass’s sarcasm perfectly. It is the hoax of one Mr. Allslop that was exposed and you simply refuse to accept it.

There you go with the “Diane Harvey” thing again. The very idea that you are in pursuit of the truth is the biggest hoax. You are always demanding that others produce concrete evidence of their claims. Apparently, you have another set of standards for yourself, which is not the least bit surprising. You maintain your assertion that I am Diane Harvey. Like it or not, you are obligated to deliver the proof and, despite repeated requests, you have shamelessly failed to do so. Why is this? The obvious answer is that you have none and you are too damned chickenshit to admit it. It really does not bother me who you believe I am. What is important is that the world is watching as your credibility is taking a serious pounding on this one. People are most certainly asking themselves, “What other failures is this idiot trying to cover up.” Perhaps you are the one who would be better off to shut up. It does not seem as though you can see where you are at. Quit wasting people’s time with your diversions.

“See you around,” you say? I certainly hope that is not a threat.

The Shadow knows how to dispatch stalkers...

[The Shadow]

Speaking of high-horse pedestals...



http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211892

Jimbo, where were you yesterday evening?
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/12/63607019.shtml?Element_ID=63607019

If any of you chemmies have knowledge of the perpetrators of this anti-aviation activity, better turn yourselves in ASAP. I am informing the FBI of my suspicions that some of you may be involved. I'm certain the information will be taken seriously considering past threats involving spotlighting of aircraft among members of the Carnicom faction.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000204.html

If you come out now and tell everything you know, it'll go easier on you. If anyone wishes me to help negotiate such a surrender for you, just let me know. I'll do my best to see no one gets hurt.

Mr. Reynolds, as evidence of your extreme obsession with the chemtrail issue, I will in turn be passing on to the FBI a collection of your inflammatory posts. The Diane Harvey series should have them take a second look at you and seal your fate. They recognize a crackpot like you when they see one. I hope that you are aware of the penalties for making blanket false accusations and instigating false charges.

If any agents were to show up at my front door, due to your influence, let me assure you that you do not have enough insurance to prevent me from being the future owner of your home and property.

The Shadow knows how to deal with criminals...

[gaiacomm]

An editorial is an article written by the editor of the newspaper. Or at least that was the original meaning of the word. It is an article reflecting the line that the newspaper wishes to take on a specific subject.


Ok... I thought that you might wish to publish your Chemtrail opinion....A letter to the editor...hows that\?

[gaiacomm]

gaiacomm,

The date stamp is in the lower right corner and is partially obscured. It reads, “’04 11 8” (yy mm dd).

The Shadow knows...

Thank you.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Shadow writes:

"" I hope that you are aware of the penalties for making blanket false accusations and instigating false charges. ""
=========

It is going to be much worse than that----more like extrotion and more.

Reynolds knows the chemtrails rainout of acids upsets the trace metals in the soils and this leads to rise of illness and diseases----then profits for the GOP drug and docter interests-----then explotation of the SS fund due to the babe boomers dying off more quickly.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Jews..are you afraid of them? They are no different than any other. They burn when on fire, there heads roll when chopped off, they bleed when shot, and they die like all others.

People hate Jews because they hate themselves and they are lost and have not been found. Sai Baba is another boogy man idol for those that seek refuge other than in Jesus or some other madman.

The Pope is an old man that has no power other than when he sleeps. He is surrounded by those that wish to take and not give.

Until Palestine is returned Israel will be a target for all the hate the world can give. Jews are not the only ones that have been murdered, there are other races that have suffered the same fate and they don't bitch like the Jews.

[whitemajikman]

JIM PHELPS , WAYNE HALL ,DEBORAH STARK Take HEED..........

Where do you all fit into this.........

Agenda of the Activists

By: Ryan Mauro

tdcanalyst@optonline.net



From my own studies, I know that during the Cold War, the USSR and countries allied to the USSR launched “special measures” activities aimed at the manipulation of scientific fact, activist groups, etc., as a way to influence American domestic and foreign policy. Of course, there are valid environmental concerns and these need to be handled. But there is another side to the story. Certain activist groups have been manipulated or down-right hijacked by radicals, likely with the help of foreign intelligence agencies or simply people believing in forms of Marxist-Leninism. There is no single agenda, but WorldThreats.com feels obliged to show some of the quotes by various activist groups and people.

Please consider some of these quotes before believing “facts” often pushed to “save the world”. Again, this is not a hit-piece aimed at environmentalists, but rather to demonstrate how radicals are coming to power in activist groups.



“Christianity is our foe. If Animal Rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian religious tradition.” Peter Singer, the father of Animal Rights



“I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, editor of the Earth First Journal



“We reject the idea of private property.” Peter Berle, President of the National Audubon Society



“People are the case of all the problems, we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any.” Charles Wurster of the Environmental Defense Fund



“This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety.” Sherry Neddick of Greenpeace



“Protecting the environment is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guide of preserving nature.” J.H. Robbins



“A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect.” Richard Benedict, State Dept. /Conservation Foundation



“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University



“The secret to David McTaggart’s success is the secret to Greenpeace’s success: It doesn’t matter what is true…it only matters what people believe is true…You are what the media defines you to be. Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine.” Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.



“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we might do with it.” Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute.



“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing—in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth, former US Senator (D-Colorado)



“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.” David Foreman, “Earth First”



“As radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem, but as a necessary solution.” Miss Ann Thropy (pseudonym), Earth First Journal



“I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environmental bandwagon don’t have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles.” Dennis Hayes, Earth Day Agenda



“If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund



“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” J.L. Mencken



“Cannibalism is a radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.” Lyall Watson in the Financial Times



“The message has now gone out to all leftists; ‘substitute green for red’—that is, push socialism labeled as environmentalism as the new priority.” David Horowitz and Peter Collier in “The Destructive Generation”



“…The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them.” Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund



Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth. -- Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists



Continued.........

[whitemajikman]

We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion -- guilt-free at last! -- Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue



Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets...Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along. -- David Graber, biologist, National Park Service



We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels. -- Carl Amery



To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem -- Lamont Cole



The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. -- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)



The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer -- Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (196

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 -- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)



"Monkey wrenching, (unlawful sabotage of industrial extraction/development equipment and infrastructure) is not mindless – targets are carefully picked for their strategic value." - Earth First



"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…. climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister, Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998



"The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority an alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now." - Louis Proyect, Columbia University



"They have cheated the case and I am angry about that, because that will come to our account. They use bad data, as well as for the Brent Spar as for the French nuclear tests. I am against nuclear tests, but one should use scientifically sound arguments…. No, Greenpeace has harmed the environmental case." - Paul Crutzen, Nobel Prize winner for his work on the ozone layer, cancelled his Greenpeace membership


“[the task is to] covertly lower the standard of living, the whole social structure, of America so that we can be merged with all other nations.” Rowan Gaither, president of the Ford Foundation, 1954.



“A psycho-politician must work hard to produce the maximum chaos in the fields of ‘mental healing’. You must work until every teacher of psychology unknowingly or knowingly teaches only Communist doctrine under the guide of ‘psychology’. You must labor until every doctor and psychiatrist is either a psycho-politician or an unwitting assistant to our aims. You must labor until we have domination of the minds and bodies of every important person in your nation (America). You must work until suicide arising from mental imbalance is common and calls forth no general investigation or remark…You must dominate as respected men the fields of psychiatry and psychology. You must dominate the hospitals and universities…With it you can erase our enemies as insects. You can change their (leaders) loyalties by psychopolitics…Use the courts, use the judges, use the Constitution of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to further our ends…By psycho-politics create chaos. Leave a nation leaderless. Kill our enemies. And bring to Earth, through Communism, the greatest peace man has ever known.”

Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, head of the Lenin School of Psycho-Politics in 1933 addressing students at the university as described in “The Soviet Art of Brainwashing” by Kenneth Goff.



“Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance to our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have. Patriotism, nationalism, and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick because a truly well individual is one who has rejected all of those things, and is truly the international child of the future.” Dr. Chester Pierce, Harvard University professor and Humanist activist



“Every child who believes in God is mentally ill.” Dr. Paul Brandwein, a leading child psychologist.



“We do not need any more preaching about right or wrong. The old ‘thou shall nots’ simply are not relevant…Values clarification is a method for teachers to change the values of children without getting caught.” Dr. Sidney Simon, lecturer and teacher



“What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality—the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy.” Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, the first head of the World Federation of Mental Health (which also pushes globalism and movements towards world unity)



“You must work until the officials of city, county and state governments will not think twice before they pounce upon Christian groups as public enemies…You must recruit every agency of the nation marked for slaughter, into a foaming hatred of Christianity. You must suborn district attorneys and judges into an intense belief, that Christian practices are vicious, bad, insanity causing, publicly hated, and intolerable.” From a Communist textbook of Psychopolitics written in 1933.



“The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States. And fully ninety percent of its efforts are on behalf of the communists.” From a special HCLU investigation of the ACLU in 1931.



“Communism is the goal.” Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU.



“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” Norma Thomas, US Socialist Presidential candidate in the 1960s



“Your grandchildren will live under communism…Oh you Americans! You’re so gullible! We’ll spoon-feed you socialism until you’re communists and don’t even know it. We’ll never have to fire a shot!” Nikita Khrushchev in the 1950s speaking to the US Secretary of Agriculture



“The New York Times is deliberately pitched to the liberal point of view.” Herman Dismore, foreign editor of the New York Times from 1950 to 1960.



“The news media in general are liberals”. Barbara Walters



“News reporters are certainly liberal and left of center.” Walter Cronkite



Activists, radicals, peace campaigners, green party members: as far as the leaders of the GRU are concerned, these are like ripe water-melons, green on the outside, but red on the inside—and mouth-watering. So there is a good base for recruiting.” Viktor Survorov, Soviet GRU defector in his book, “Spetsnaz”

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Shadow writes:

"" I hope that you are aware of the penalties for making blanket false accusations and instigating false charges. ""
=========

It is going to be much worse than that----more like extrotion and more.

Reynolds knows the chemtrails rainout of acids upsets the trace metals in the soils and this leads to rise of illness and diseases----then profits for the GOP drug and docter interests-----then explotation of the SS fund due to the babe boomers dying off more quickly.

IMHO,
is

Hey Jimmy Boy .......

Stop Blowing all that Hot Air ..........

You have no Non-delusional Proof Of your Claims........

And When it comes to REALITY........Thats what is Important.......

To This date all you have Provided Is Delusion upon Delusion, And Hatred Based upon your life Experience.......

If you want to be taken Seriously .........Which is a Stretch at best since you came to this board.......

All you have to do is Whistleblow........

With Names ,Facts and Dates.................And let Jay Do what he does best .........

Investigate them .........

If there is Truth To what you are Saying he will find It.......

But Be forewarned If there is No Truth as we all suspect in the First Place.........

You Will Be Regulated to the Realms of KooKdom where you belong........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Jews..are you afraid of them? They are no different than any other. They burn when on fire, there heads roll when chopped off, they bleed when shot, and they die like all others.

People hate Jews because they hate themselves and they are lost and have not been found. Sai Baba is another boogy man idol for those that seek refuge other than in Jesus or some other madman.

The Pope is an old man that has no power other than when he sleeps. He is surrounded by those that wish to take and not give.

Until Palestine is returned Israel will be a target for all the hate the world can give. Jews are not the only ones that have been murdered, there are other races that have suffered the same fate and they don't bitch like the Jews.


While I agree That the Palestinian question is at the root,of Anti-semitism in the Middle East, one should look deeper into what force backs the Palestinians directly and non-directly........

one should also take into consideration that Israeli politics is not governed by Jews but by Zionist's.........Who use World Jewry on behalf of their Agenda which is so broad that people lose sight of what is really happening right in front of them........

Israel is a country divided.......

Just as America Is a Country Divided......

What is Important is Who is Reponsible for this Division, and why it is occuring at an alarming Rate......

Any Thoughts on this Matter........?

Anyone.....?

WMM

[gaiacomm]

While I agree That the Palestinian question is at the root,of Anti-semitism in the Middle East, one should look deeper into what force backs the Palestinians directly and non-directly........

one should also take into consideration that Israeli politics is not governed by Jews but by Zionist's.........Who use World Jewry on behalf of their Agenda which is so broad that people lose sight of what is really happening right in front of them........

Israel is a country divided.......

Just as America Is a Country Divided......

What is Important is Who is Reponsible for this Division, and why it is occuring at an alarming Rate......

Any Thoughts on this Matter........?

Anyone.....?

WMM


You already have my opinions thruout this thread....maybe others have some thoughts!

[gaiacomm]

Hey Jude!

[gaiacomm]

The greatest Jew story ever told is when they murdered Jesus!

I oppose ignorance and understand fear and I believe that Men and Women are equal and that all people must be free to choose to be free. Death is not an option but a cowards way to impose will on those that are not in line with the pleasure's and desire's of the flesh.

There is no Religion (way of life) that wishes to impose itself on others, it is Man that wishes that so. God/Allah or whoever you worship would never murder its children. Men kill children.

God is God in all peoples!

[whitemajikman]

The greatest Jew story ever told is when they murdered Jesus!

I oppose ignorance and understand fear and I believe that Men and Women are equal and that all people must be free to choose to be free. Death is not an option but a cowards way to impose will on those that are not in line with the pleasure's and desire's of the flesh.

There is no Religion (way of life) that wishes to impose itself on others, it is Man that wishes that so. God/Allah or whoever you worship would never murder its children. Men kill children.

God is God in all peoples!

What you must understand Gaia is that Jesus chose his fate.......

He knew what was happening ,before it happened......

Where Jim's rendition fails miserably is in him not acknowledging that Jesus was The Son Of God and his earthly nationality and/or religion was not of any significance , his message was to Mankind.......Period.

For his whole purpose was to be that of a Messenger........

The problem is that Mankind never really listened to the Message........

Because Politics ,Money, and Socialism has taken the fore front............

And it all started the day Jesus left this plane of existence......

And has continued up until now...........

WMM

[jayreynolds]

Speaking of high-horse pedestals...
Mr. Reynolds, as evidence of your extreme obsession with the chemtrail issue, I will in turn be passing on to the FBI a collection of your inflammatory posts. The Diane Harvey series should have them take a second look at you and seal your fate. They recognize a crackpot like you when they see one. I hope that you are aware of the penalties for making blanket false accusations and instigating false charges.

If any agents were to show up at my front door, due to your influence, let me assure you that you do not have enough insurance to prevent me from being the future owner of your home and property.The Shadow knows how to deal with criminals...

Diane, sound like you have something to hide.

I wasn't even addressing you in particular, until now, since you seem to feel your ox has been gored, for some reason.........

It is true that words will inflame the guilty, it literally sets their heads aflame with rage, like yours is now. However, words, even 'fighting words', are not a criminal matter, everyone knows this. There are no such "penalties", and I assure you that I will file no criminal or civil complaints against you or anyone else unless I have some measure of evidence against the individual or individuals.

I have, and will continue to assist the proper authorities in any way I can to investigate criminal activity such as the ongoing attacks against aviation by people with lasers.

I suggest that you not try to obstruct their investigation, because such actions are prosecutable. Let the wheels of justice turn and roll over those responsible.

If indeed it turns out that "chemmies" are involved, as they have admitted to in the past, I will do everything in my power to protect the hundreds of passengers and crewmembers, as well as those on the ground, by seeing that justice is done.

I am sure you do not wish to impede my efforts, or do you?

If you, or anyone else have any knowledge of the perpetrators, I advise you to quickly alert the authorities, do not hesitate or withold anything whatsoever, perhaps it would go better that way..

I note that Jim Phelps has not made a statement as to his whereabouts during the time period the laser was directed at the plane in Tennessee yesterday.

[gaiacomm]

What you must understand Gaia is that Jesus chose his fate.......

He knew what was happening ,before it happened......

Where Jim's rendition fails miserably is in him not acknowledging that Jesus was The Son Of God and his earthly nationality and/or religion was not of any significance , his message was to Mankind.......Period.

For his whole purpose was to be that of a Messenger........

The problem is that Mankind never really listened to the Message........

Because Politics ,Money, and Socialism has taken the fore front............

And it all started the day Jesus left this plane of existence......

And has continued up until now...........

WMM


That is true!

[gaiacomm]

Anyone got popcorn to watch the Shadow and JR go at it?

[whitemajikman]

Anyone got popcorn to watch the Shadow and JR go at it?

J.R. is only toying with the Shadow.........

And the Shadow Knows it........

What I am looking forward to is the whereabouts of Jim Phelps and if he was indeed in on the Laser Strike as Jay has surmized ......

WMM

[jayreynolds]

What I am looking forward to is the whereabouts of Jim Phelps and if he was indeed in on the Laser Strike as Jay has surmized ......WMM

It's possible Jim doesn't exactly know for sure just where he was yesterday evening around 6:30pm. Since he's been so good about confessing to being the mastermind behind the invention of haarp and chemtrails I figure maybe he'll own up to this one too. His sort often run to the police station after every crime, admitting to the whole thing, just to get some attention.
Pity the fool........

[jayreynolds]

He came beggin for "chemtrail" science.
They sent him to crazy Clifford's house of nutz.
Another one bites the dust............
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7743

[halva]

Ok... I thought that you might wish to publish your Chemtrail opinion....A letter to the editor...hows that\?

The terms of the debate as I understand it are being set by anthropogenic climate change sceptics.

Both sides of that debate are working for money, as I said when I posted the piece yesterday from the Australian government minister.

Why should I, who am not paid by anybody, want to join that particular 'debate'?

I debate - sometimes - with people who don't have to be 'convinced' about anthropogenic climate change.
.

[stuart_allsop]

This brings us full circle to your post, which I replayed at ... blah blah blah blit blat ...


My neighbor was on to you and so am I.

[to quote a well respected internet troll-sage: "blah blah blah"}


The evidence is now perfectly clear for all to ... blah blat blather...


It is your insufferable and ... ego, your inflated sense of self worth...

[i[(why thank you! I'm glad you noticed! : ) )[/i]


Hmmm... from all that hysterical and boringly long-winded yet totally meaningless and utterly worthless drivelly reply , it certainly seems that I struck a nerve, deeply, on center, and agonizingly! One could surmise that showing you up for a linguistic fraud, three times in a row, really hit you were it hurts. Apparently your unfoundedly arrogant pride in your simplistic linguistic skills is your Achille's heel, and I sem to have inadvertently sliced deeplyt with a white-hot scalpel, givign a savage twist at exactly the right moment.

The shadow is HOPPING mad at meeting his match. MORE than his match!

Mission accomplished.

QED.

(...he he he...)

[halva]

You already have my opinions thruout this thread....maybe others have some thoughts!

Gaiacomm, my thought is that you are wasting my time conveying to this board quotations from people who are not interested in the subject of it 'not being nice to fool with Mother Nature'.

If you don't within a few days post something of at least mild interest to compensate for this time wasting......

Well, then, Shadow and Jim Phelps will be the only people here whose postings I will be reading.

[stuart_allsop]

Look at all that has been heaped upon you, Stuart, simply because I ended a sentence with a preposition. Can you ever forgive me?Forgive you? For what? Exposing the shadow into oblivion with the laser light of modern grammar and linguistic theory was more debunking fun than I've had in AGES! I'm THANKING you for it, Yaak, not FORGIVING you!!!! :)

[stuart_allsop]

Palestine must be returned to the rightful people.Exactly! Well said! It's high time to kick out all those fraudulent squatters currently occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and return that land to it's rightful owners: The Jews, who were there thousands of years before the Arabs invented "Palestinians", a people that doesn't even exist historically...

[stuart_allsop]

In the case of the Jewish issues, their religion was rooted in MosesNo, Judaism is actually rooted in Abraham, long before Moses came on the scene


and his stuff began with worship of his snake icon staff of power.No, the snake-icon staff was only used temporarily to heal the sick, but it was eventually destroyed at Moses order, when the people started traeting it as an idol.


Moses magic came from Mt. Sinai--a volcano.No, Moses was working miracles long before they got to Sinai, which isn't a volcano anway. Whic mountain are you identifyng with the Biblical Sinai?


They later mined it for Gold, and all the other things like acids.Really? AND your proof would be...?


But what it became was one of man shaping god for his purposes.If man could shape God, then He wouldn't be God, now would he?


One of the problems is the Jews don't even understand the orgin and progress of their own religion.Oh, but they understand it VERY well. It took them several thousand years to learn the lesson, but they did learn it in the end. Leraned it TOO well in fact, such that they rejected EVERYTHING except God, even God's own son.


Martin Luther from the times of Michaelangelo was extremely critical of the Jews.Martin Luther was budies with Michaelangelo ? That's one for the history books! How come nobody else but you knows this?


But the original problems stem from seeking money and power.No, the original problem stems from a lack of obedience. That's what the entire Old Testament is about: Failure by hte Israelites to understand that God demands obedience.


The god of the old test was the vengeful feared god, and the God of the New Test was the loving and nuturing God. They are not the same.Of course they are the same! Only someone who has never studied the Bible in context would say something like that!


But he still falls well short of respect for Rabbi Jesus.Except that Jesus didn't particular caer for that title. Are you not familair with the spectacularly paradoxical nature of Jesus?


However, the common failings stem from what is the truer definition of God By definition, God has no definition! If you could define what God is, then He would not be God, would he?


In many ways, the world would be much better off with God just defined as ultimate enlightnment.Perhaps it would, but God doesn't agree with that definition of himself. He gave Moses a much better definition, which is really hard to beat: "I am who I am". (Especially when you study the Hebrew verbal tenses).


When man can do without the crutches of these needs---he might get into the promissed land.Well, if there is no such things as God, then who promised that land? :)

[stuart_allsop]

Jesus could care less what is happening nowNo, both before and after he died he made it very clear that he cares deeply... that was the very purpose of him dying willingly. He cared so much that he wanted to die to fix it. And he did.


....he is dead or is he?Why don't you ask him yourself?


Maybe Jesus and others like him are trying to tell us something! Well Jesus certainly is, but there are NONE like him. Not one even comes close.

[quoteWe should listen and remember that the Kingdom of God is in us all![/QUOTE]Only if you explicitly ask for it.

[stuart_allsop]

Do the history time lines and events. In the old days the crusades went down to Jerusalem and killed all the Jews they could find and called them all "Infadels." No, that was Muhammed that did that. He was a Jew wannbe that had bells in his head. At least, that's what he said. Your history seems to be a bit muddled.


This forced concessions in the differences between the Jews and the Vatican and the US had to do something with two million Jews, so they gave them this land in Palestine.he he he... your history seems to be MORE than a little muddled.


If one looks way back in time, the Jews never held any titles to Palestine he he he! Nice try! But your history is SERIOUSLY muddled. Even apart from the Bible, there are numerous archealogical records that place the Jews in Israel throught written history, on and off. "Palestine", on the other hand, was invented by England ni the 19th century, and the "Palestinians" were invetned by hte Arabs to counter the Jewish state. You really should study some history and get your facts straight.


You can put a band-aid on Israel by the Vatican capitulating on the Old Test problems with the JewsWhat "problems"? There are no problems!

[stuart_allsop]

And the Jews all they need to do is just forgive and forget and give back what is not theirs.Jews never forget! Besdides, who do you want them to forgive? The Arabs, perhaps, for inventing the "Palestinian" people who tried to steal part of their country frm them?



Jesus as a man is dead... Yes he is.. but as the Son of God he still lives, like it or not.


the Catholic church is not full of gays but they do have men who like to have sex with boys..in the name of God!They don't do it inthe name of God! They abuse their positions and do it to spite the name of God... and will be held responsible for their actions, one day.

[stuart_allsop]

The greatest Jew story ever told is when they murdered Jesus!
The Jews didn't murder Jesus! Sheesh! Where di you get THAT from! YOU murdered Jesus. So did we all. Actually, it wasn''t even murder, since Jesus chose to die, just as God had planned it.

[/quote]God/Allah or whoever you worship would never murder its children.[/QUOTE]Wel,, to start with God is not "Allah". Allah is a rock sitting in a garden in Medina, along with 364 other similar rocks. It was the job of Muhammad's father to take care of the rock garden, keep the rocks cleam etc., as it was a sacred garden, with sacred god-rocks, one for each day of the year, and each one representing some kind of celestial body, plant, animal, etc.

But little Muhammed got a thing for the rock that represetned the moon god. The name of that rock was "allah". Years, alter, after reading parts of the Torah, Muhammed decided to elevate that little rock in status, and give it the same position in his new religion as God has in real life.

But one of the major differences between God and Allah is that Allah curiously changes teh rules all the time! Every time that Muhammed ran into a little bumpy patch in the road of life, Allah came to the rescue with a new rule that would help Muhammed out, regardless of weather or not it contradicted any previous rules. So Allah first told Muhammed that all men could only have one wife, but then when Muhammed wanted more Allah came to the rescue. Then, Allah first told Muhammad that murer was a no-no, until Muhammad needed to kill people that he didn't like, and suddenly Allah complies by allowing murder.

When you read the Qur'an and the Bible it really is amazing how totally different and diametrically opposed they are. Through the Bible God remains teh same, unchanging, and His alw always stands. Allah changes himself and his laws whenever Muhammed gets himself into a tight spot.

In fact, the Qur'an is nothing more nor less than a book of hate, a manifesto for terrorism.

Allah most definately is the diamteric opposite of God, about as far away from God as you can possibly get. So I wonder what that makes him? Hmmm.... The opposite of "God" is ...?

[halva]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/010305_energy_deployment.shtml

Former US officials in the planning elites at defense- and intelligence-related corporations are coming out in favor of renewable energy with fresh zeal. At a December conference of the American Council On Renewable Energy (ACORE), gradualist rhetoric yielded to crash-program urgency: "The conference was convened primarily to acknowledge that the past three decades of research and development in the U.S. have yielded positive results and that it's time to move into a new phase - a broad and deliberate deployment phase."

In other words, the energy problem is so critical at this moment that we must start using what we've got now, whether it's perfected or not: whether it is sustainable or not. If we don't, then we lose everything anyway. At least this will start buying us a little time.

After the debacle of Centcom's 2004 experience, the military is interested too -- not because energy independence will make it less necessary to kill and die, but because the war machine will be more flexible and enduring if they can run it on biodiesel.

We now have a growing list of elites who are personally moving to renewables and alt energy sources. This confirms Peak Oil in a whole new dimension: the people who have the power to respond to it on their own behalf are doing so, rapidly and with a dark new seriousness. - FTW]

National Security to Lead Renewable
Energy Deployment
U.S. Energy Independence Goals Propel Renewable Energy to Next Phase

by Jesse Broehl, Editor, RenewableEnergyAccess.com December 14, 2004


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http://renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=19841

Washington D.C. [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] If one actionable priority could be distilled from the chorus of support expressed for renewables at last week's conference of the American Council On Renewable Energy (ACORE), it's that the time has come to shift the nation's priorities from an era of research and development to one of major deployment. And the one mantra rising above the conference chatter that might create enough political muscle to kick-off that shift can be summed up in two words: National Security.

At the packed conference, 24 national leaders spoke to over 500 experts from industry and finance in the Cannon Caucus Room of the U.S. House of Representatives, sharing their experience, expertise, and hopes for the various renewable energy technologies that scatter the broad energy landscape. The conference was convened primarily to acknowledge that the past three decades of research and development in the U.S. have yielded positive results and that it's time to move into a new phase -- a broad and deliberate deployment phase.

"Back in the '70s, we did not have the technologies," said Michael Eckhart, President of ACORE. "Now it's time to say we've done well, we have the technologies, some are commercialized and some are near, but we have succeeded and now it's time to move into Phase II where we put those options to use."

The real question for today's renewable energy visionaries is how to get there. It was fitting then that the conference took place in the nation's capitol where, decades ago, renewable energy technology was seen first and foremost as a means to address national security through energy independence.

It's within the marbled halls of the nation's capitol that many experts see the real potential for growth of renewable energy -- growth they say has been largely untapped.

A Decades-Old Answer

The first comprehensive message on renewable energy was delivered by President Richard Nixon during a June 1971 speech, according to Jay Hakes, Director of the Carter Library, who spoke at the conference. Nixon's speech stressed the need for national security through increased energy independence, and he specifically cited the development of a nuclear "breeder" reactor and renewable energy technologies as part of that solution. A 51-page report called "Project Independence" would eventually come out three years later acknowledging global warming for the first time and delving into the potential for the renewable energy technologies of solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, hydrogen fuel cells, biofuels and others.

The energy independence report was progressive for its time, but Jonathan Lash, president of the World Resources Institute, questioned the country's progress since then.

"Renewable energy is critical to national security," Lash said. "Ever since Nixon pledged we would be free of oil, our national average has increased. Now it's a regular drumbeat of information telling us that we are changing the world we live in."

While much of the conference focused on pushing the federal government for more than its typically lackluster and inconsistent support for renewables, Lash highlighted the many legislative successes at the state level. Renewable energy benefit funds, renewable portfolio standards (now effective in 18 states), government purchases of green tags, and rebate programs have all served to foster regional and state-based renewable energy markets.

Many speakers acknowledged these successes at the state level, but stressed that energy security is a national imperative and only through the guidance of the federal government can renewable energy truly play its part for energy independence.

Policy, Military and Intelligence Leaders Speak Up

Some of the most poignant dialogue stressing the national security angle at the conference came from a panel with considerable experience in that realm. These speakers included R. James Woolsey, former Director of Central Intelligence, Frank Gaffney and Bud McFarlane, former national security advisors to President Reagan, C. Boyden Gray, former White House Counsel to President G.H.W. Bush, and Adm. Dennis McGinn, USN (Ret.), former Deputy Chief of Naval Operations.

All were keen to focus in on Middle East regimes that assure our petroleum needs but, at most, only tacitly assure our national interests.

"We find ourselves dependent on imports from people who, by and large, are hostile to us," Frank Gaffney said. "It makes (energy independence) a national security imperative."

Gaffney cited the growing scarcity of resources in a world with burgeoning economies and populations, such as China as having the potential to create a "perfect storm." Faced with a scenario of increasingly insatiable and expensive demands for energy, countries like the U.S. and China could find themselves at the brink of war.

"Situations like this have given rise to wars in the past, that is not to be precluded here," Gaffney said.

Retired Admiral Dennis McGinn, former deputy chief of Naval Operations, knows a thing or two about war. Not only does McGinn see renewable energy technologies as a means to increase U.S. energy independence but also as a way to directly improve the effectiveness of the military itself.

"We need investment in new technologies for increasing the efficiency of the military," McGinn said. "Speed and agility are the key successes so anything you do to make the military lighter, faster and less reliant on a huge liquid fuel infrastructure makes you more effective."

McGinn came to this realization while orchestrating remote naval training exercises on small Pacific islands where fold-out, flexible, thin-film photovoltaic sheets and a hydrogen-powered fuel cell proved themselves indispensable for powering their electronic and communications systems.

R. James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency during the Clinton Administration said the U.S. is waging a war against three totalitarian movements: the Shiite and Sunni Islamists, and the ranks of Al Qaeda.

"I fear we're going to be at war for decades, not years," Woolsey said. "It will last a long time and it will have a major ideological component. Ultimately we will win it but one major component of that war is oil."

Woolsey, who drives a hybrid-electric Toyota Prius and has his own solar PV system on his home, offered some suggestions to curbing U.S. oil dependence. They didn't involve the much hyped hydrogen, either.

Two of the most promising renewable energy technologies, in Woolsey's opinion, are cellulosic ethanol and biodiesel. Both could help provide a substantial amount of the energy requirements for transportation but they rely on existing technology available today. Furthermore, Woolsey pictured a future with these domestic fuels powering fuel efficient, hybrid electric vehicles. And if the cars were plug-in, hybrid-electrics, every MW of solar and wind added to the national grid could help charge up the nation's cars.

"This all can help with rural development, it can help with the trade deficit, deny funds to Islamists and decrease our dependence on foreign oil," Woolsey said.

Ultimately, any number of technologies and scenarios may be part of the solution and the framework of Phase II. This ACORE conference kicked off the shift to Phase II, from development to deployment, and the next conference in September 2005 will try to answer how to get there.

"We're talking solutions, that's Phase II," said Michael Eckhart, President of ACORE. "What are the policies? We don't know, which is why we need to get everyone thinking alike. No one person can think of it all. Everyone must come forward with their own philosophies."

[jayreynolds]

DRAGNET ON TO FIND LASER SOURCE IN NASHVILLE
Terrorism Task Force- "''We'd like whoever is responsible to come talk to us — please — so that we can get this cleared up.''
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http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/12/63638290.shtml?Element_ID=63638290
A federal dragnet was still searching yesterday for the pinpoint source of laser light that illuminated a Chicago-bound regional jet as it took off from Nashville International Airport.

The flight crew of an outbound United Express jet reported Sunday evening that a green laser was aimed at the aircraft while it was flying at about 3,600 feet. No one was injured, and the flight proceeded to its scheduled landing at O'Hare International Airport.

Authorities suspected the laser pointing was a prank but they were not taking the incident lightly.

''We're taking it very seriously,'' said Doug Riggin, the supervisory FBI agent who heads Nashville's Joint Terrorism Task Force, adding that if the person is caught, the agents would be consulting with the U.S. attorney's office about possible criminal charges.

''But if this was an accident or a prank,'' Riggin added, ''we'd like whoever is responsible to come talk to us — please — so that we can get this cleared up.''

After Sunday's Nashville incident, federal officials debriefed the flight crew. Agents from the FBI, the FAA and the Transportation Security Administration, joined with Metro police to search for the person who illuminated the aircraft with a green beam of light.

Airline pilots' main worry about lasers is the potential for retinal damage.

''The laser thing has been with us as far as a concern for about 20 years because of the physiological damage that it can cause,'' said Capt. Steve Luckey, national safety committee chairman for the Air Line Pilots Association, a 65,000-member organization.

The latest reports represent a different trend, however.

''They're tracking the aircraft, which is unusual,'' Luckey said. ''Before, we'd just run into lasers coincidentally. But now they are actually tracking aircraft.''

Someone with enough practice and the right targeting equipment could train a laser accurately on an airplane, Luckey said.

It's a possibility, though not likely, that someone could use a laser as a targeting device for a ''beam-rider'' missile, said Luckey who has lengthy commercial and combat flying experience.

''Actually, with respect to a terrorist-type incident, the laser would not be the weapon of choice,'' Luckey said. ''There's many, many other things that would be more predictably reliable for such an outcome. A missile or rocket-propelled grenade or a 50-caliber armor-piercing incendiary round or command-detonated device. There are all kinds of things out there that will get you.''

Even if a laser beam were to penetrate the cockpit windshield and disorient a commercial pilot, there are a battery of safety systems. There are two pilots. One could wear laser-resistant goggles, Luckey said. Or a pilot could simply drop his seat lower and fly by instruments alone. Most modern airlines, he said, have a ''go-around'' button, which when pushed on the aircraft's landing approach, would send the aircraft into a pre-programmed holding pattern.

''It can fly the whole approach,'' Luckey said. ''It can fly a holding pattern without your ever looking at it.''

The Nashville incident points up the ubiquitous nature of the modern laser-beam device used in homes, offices, work sites and woodlands worldwide.

John Arnold, owner of Specialty Arms, a gun shop in La Vergne, doubts that the beam projected at the plane was a gun sight.

''Theoretically, (laser gun sights) can project a beam possibly that far,'' he said. But in reality ''it's not powerful enough see much over 100 yards.''

Arnold sells LaserMax laser sights for handguns at his store for about $400. And even though the packaging says they project a beam a mile, he said the light dissipates quickly.

''It is set up for probably 25-50 yards at the maximum,'' he said. The farther away the target from the laser sight, the more unfocused the beam becomes.

Vo-Dinh, a researcher at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, doubt-ed that the laser beam seen by the pilot could have come from a laser pointer, as apparently happened in a recent case in New Jersey.

''It would have dissipated too much,'' he said.

He guessed the laser may have been a research-grade, hand-held laser, that could transmit a beam several miles.-END ARTICLE
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Note from Jay: To see scientific proof that Vo-Dinh's "guess" is not necesssarily true, read the full text of FAA research into the effects of lasers on pilot performance. This research was done using human volunteers who were exposed to actual laser beams, and is the definitive text on the subject.
http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/aam-400A/abstracts/2004/FULL%20TEXT/0409.pdf

[jayreynolds]

To: Dr. Tuan Vo-Dinh, vodinht@ornl.gov
Oak Ridge National Laboratory

From: Jay Reynolds reality2u30@hotmail.com

Dear Dr. Vo-Dinh,
This email is regarding your comments as reported in today's Tennesseean, which reads:
"Vo-Dinh, a researcher at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, doubt-ed that the laser beam seen by the pilot could have come from a laser pointer, as apparently happened in a recent case in New Jersey.
''It would have dissipated too much,'' he said.
He guessed the laser may have been a research-grade, hand-held laser, that could transmit a beam several miles."

According to recent research by the FAA, using human volunteers, pilots can be affected by glare, flash-blinded, afterimages, and forced to abort simulated landings at distances up to 2 miles by laser pointers of 5mW power. Laser pointers of up to 50mW poer are commonly available at internet websites.

Here is the research paper in full text form:
http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/aam-400A/abstracts/2004/FULL%20TEXT/0409.pdf

I hope you find this interesting and informative. From time to time, I may have a need to contact someone at Oak Ridge Labs and would be pleased to establish a relationship with you.

Best regards,
Jay Reynolds

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva writes:

"On the subject of JFK and Khrushchev, I recently read a book by the anti-Castro Cuban exile Servando Gonzalez which convincingly (at least to me) showed how Khrushchev's aims in installing 'nuclear missiles' in Cuba were to provoke an American invasion of Cuba
and the overthrow of Castro, initially at least in favour of someone closer to the Communist Party and more easily controllable by Moscow."

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Hello Halva,

As best I can tell this book appears not very accurate. Khrushchev liked Castro because he was Marxist/Lennonist and he got there via the same way as the Russians.

All the top Russian Marxist/Lennoninist were Jewish and their ban on religion was for the reason of avoiding the constant state within state problems that covered the European continent with blood.

Castros mother was Jewish and this is likely the main reason he was never assassinated, and why he keeps such good ties with the Russians.

As far was the missles in Cuba being real, when some of the Russian archives were shared after the Cold War wound down, they admitted having tactinuclear devices ringing that part of Cuba to keep the US out. The US would have started a full nuclear war, if they tried to take Cuba. It was that close.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

Jim, are you sure that Castro was a Marxist/Lennonist and not a Marxist/McCartneyist?

That would be another explanation for him not being assassinated.

[halva]

Raynolds will say something facetious here.

What a pity for him that I will never read it.

[halva]

Australia 'vulnerable to climate change'
January 4, 2005 - 5:54AM

Australia and the US will have to join an international strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, despite refusing to ratify the Kyoto protocol on global warming, federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell has conceded.

Mr Campbell said the government would continue to align itself with Washington in opposing the Kyoto protocol, but conceded both nations would be part of a future global agreement, The Sydney Morning Herald reports.

Senator Campbell said Australia was "very vulnerable" to climate change, and achieving a comprehensive, worldwide approach to global warming must be a priority for the government.

"I have made a conscious decision to get the government more onto the front foot on climate change," he said.

Environmental groups said the protocol already provided a way for the world to deal with climate change, but it was being stymied by countries not taking part such as Australia and the US.

A climate campaigner for Greenpeace, Catherine Fitzpatrick, told the newspaper: "It's great the government is recognising it as a serious issue, but it's hard to take them seriously until [greenhouse gas] emissions start going down ... The United States and Saudi Arabia are doing as much as they can to make sure the Kyoto protocol is meaningless, and Australia isn't far behind."

The protocol will come into force on February 16.

The government opposes the agreement, maintaining that it will harm local industries and that it does not include heavy-polluting developing countries.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva writes:

"I would truly like to understand more about all these issues, but I don't think hammering on the 'Jewish' aspect of things takes one very far. Teller and his milieu were secular liberal people for whom religion was not very important."

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Hi Halva,

Yes, Teller, Star Wars, and Chemtrails are all connected. And you really cannot separate Teller being a Jew from the choices he made in life. Just as you cannot separate the fact that Teller was a gimp due to a street-car accident chopping off his foot. It was likely this disability that lead him to studies and becoming accomplished at math and sciences, as he could not walk well. All photos of him generally include his cain.

Teller was born in Budda-Pest Hungary to rich Jewish parents that were able to send him to schools. His schooling was in Budda-Pest until there were quotas placed on Jews in the schools there.

Then he went to Germany to go to school and actually connected up wth Weiner Heisenburg, the fella they are thought would run Hitler's quest for fission. Almost all the scientists on the fission projects were Jewish because they thought this connected to their god in varied fashions.

Anyways, as Hitler went after the Jews in Germany Teller had to move to Belgium and shortly after to the US. IN the US he was behind the letter of Einstein to Roosevelt that would became the Manhattan Project. Teller really had a large role in starting the bomb.

Meanwhile, back in Germany Hitler called all the Fission studies as "The Dirty Jewish sciences" and did not put much stock in it. The German thought is was all too poisonous to use. Heisenburg even made some outrageous estimates for a critical mass, that lead Hilter not to think it useful for a bomb.

Teller was always ego driven and rather fear driven because of he being Jewish and in Europe as Hitler came to power. Teller wanted to head a Div of the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, but Opie picked someone else. Opie tried to not go for the fusion bomb, but Teller wanted bigger and better and also got Opie out of the way.

Teller was behind the establishment of Livermoore National Lab as another bomb theory National Lab. This lab today is the one that is supposed to do the Environmental Impact Statements. And the Lab that is helping to hide the Jet rainmaker trails pulling down more acid rain differentially on regions and upsetting the trace metals balance in the food chain----which in turns drives long term effects in human health.

Oak Ridge is also very much connected to Teller's fusion bomb because Oak Ridge is the only place that builds the fusion secondaries for the H-bombs. Oak Ridge also runs a Fusion Energy research group at Y-12, the bomb plant, under the management of ORNL. I used to work for that Fusion Group for a time. They do Fusion Torus experiments with projects like ISX and EBT.

Even when we came up with the ideas and sciences of how jet rainmaker plumes would get into the human health equation and found the fluoride problems, Teller was right in there being consulted and his Livermoore Groups helping to plug up any leaks on the problems, let alone doing the Environmental Impact Studies that would make it real public.

Teller in his later years just got into the business of keeping National Labs funded, even if it mean't lying to Congress. Teller told all kinds of lies to keep Star Wars funded, especially obvious ones on the LASER methods and their optical ranges. I met some of Tellers co-workers up in DC who had turned totally against him for doing this kind of say anything to get another dollar out of Congress. I even signed their petitions to Congress to get Teller retired from LLNL.

While you may try to separate Teller from his Jewish roots, all that was Teller and his ego was shaped by his Jewish roots, even his ability to attend school was from his rich Jewish parents. All his push on bigger and bigger bombs was shaped to blow up Hiter and any future Hitlers.

Teller did write and get published a rather lame-brained version of a global shield to offset the global warming factor, however my ideas of using jet planes to seed white clouds globally got the bigger reception. Cloud seeding to induce Mie Scattering from all the global plane traffic can modify the global warming factor very economically. It also pulls the acids off the oceans onto land masses and ups the ocean CO-2 conversion and it comes with a really big downside there from the HF poisoning effects on the animal and human health. Titanium attempts to correct that factor. And the other fact is that it kills the baby boomers sooner, so the Govt can use and abuse the Social Security Funds for making wars.

It is for the latter of these reasons that I believe the chemtrails issues need to be fully reveiled to the public and the right studies funded and made public, so that these important factors cannot be exploited by the GOP and national labs.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva inquires:

"Jim, are you sure that Castro was a Marxist/Lennonist and not a Marxist/McCartneyist?

That would be another explanation for him not being assassinated."

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I am reasonably sure, because all the written material and TV interviews done with ole Lee Harvey Oswald in his campaign for Cuba in New Orleans used the words Marxist/Lennonist.

Oswald was trying to make inroads into Cuba as he had attempted to make other inroads into Russia in an earlier mission.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

O.K. Sorry, my mistake.

[halva]

On the subject of Teller: there is an urgent need for the last chapter of Teller's biography to be written. Peter Goodchild, who has written excellent biographies of both Teller and Oppenheimer, did not include the 'chemtrails' phase of Teller's career, breaking off just before for chronological reasons.

Gregg Herken, another talented biographer, does not cover the chemtrails phase for the same reason. He has written a very well-documented book on science policy-making in the USA. (Its title is 'Cardinal Choice').

[gaiacomm]

The terms of the debate as I understand it are being set by anthropogenic climate change sceptics.

Both sides of that debate are working for money, as I said when I posted the piece yesterday from the Australian government minister.

Why should I, who am not paid by anybody, want to join that particular 'debate'?

I debate - sometimes - with people who don't have to be 'convinced' about anthropogenic climate change.
.


Because it is your duty as one who knows to report these problems to the confused world.

Being payed for knowledge is not the way!!

[jayreynolds]

Halva inquires:
"Jim, are you sure that Castro was a Marxist/Lennonist and not a Marxist/McCartneyist?
That would be another explanation for him not being assassinated."
I am reasonably sure, because all the written material and TV interviews done with ole Lee Harvey Oswald in his campaign for Cuba in New Orleans used the words Marxist/Lennonist.
Oswald was trying to make inroads into Cuba as he had attempted to make other inroads into Russia in an earlier mission.
IMHO,is

Right over his head........ what a looney.

[halva]

By the way, on the subject of Castro being saved from assassination by having a Jewish mother: did you know that Henry Kissinger and Salvador Allende are/were both Masons?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva writes:

"By the way, on the subject of Castro being saved from assassination by having a Jewish mother: did you know that Henry Kissinger and Salvador Allende are/were both Masons?"

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No, and I would have little doubt for their being such connections. Kissinger also Jewish and there are lots of Jews in the Mason and there is a lot of manipulation from there.

The US was highly shapped by the Masons and the design of Washington DC shows lots of Masons influences. Lots of the Signers of the Constitution were Masons. Lots of Masons in Oak Ridge and many high places in US Govt.

Which is why lots of the problems here in the US connect with the Masons and their often warped insights into religion from the Jewish misinformation.

IMHO,
is

[whitemajikman]

Halva writes:

"By the way, on the subject of Castro being saved from assassination by having a Jewish mother: did you know that Henry Kissinger and Salvador Allende are/were both Masons?"

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No, and I would have little doubt for their being such connections. Kissinger also Jewish and there are lots of Jews in the Mason and there is a lot of manipulation from there.

The US was highly shapped by the Masons and the design of Washington DC shows lots of Masons influences. Lots of the Signers of the Constitution were Masons. Lots of Masons in Oak Ridge and many high places in US Govt.

Which is why lots of the problems here in the US connect with the Masons and their often warped insights into religion from the Jewish misinformation.

IMHO,
is

LMAO........

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings,

Perhaps folks on this Forum have taken note of the number of Jews and Masons here. Odd how the Jews and Masons claim to be respectors of god, but having the most outragous and extreme attitudes seen on the internet.

Jews won't accept Jesus as their lord and savior, which is why we see this vengeful god type presense in the words of these hateful Masons and Jews here. They all know that to accept Jesus means that they must accept Revelations and that the wrongs of the Jews were so extreme they must stop.

The Jews hanging around here don't even know their own religion as it related to Moses. Moses moved to Midian which is down in Arabia for a long time and married the ugliest girl of the local leader of Midian, Jethro.

Midian is real close to the volcano called Mt. Sinai or "jabbel al laws" in the region there. Jethro and his followers there became very well versed in how to live next to a volcano and survive its toxic effects.

Some of this comes out in the discussions of the golden calf, which is a metals method to offset the toxic dangers of fluoride from volcanos. In the ORNL chemtrails related issues, we would have used gold if it were cheap, but it is not. So, the next metal that was like the gold effect that was cheap and plentiful was the titanium dioxide.

Hence, we have a bunch of Jews and Masons around attempting to toss all manner of hate to cover up some rather simple connections to religion and how these Jesus Revelations are associated.

These Jews that follow the Torah and Talmud are just humans that attempt to play god, and in that process show their real values of their false god rooted in vengence, hate, and war. The language is that of petty thugs with their goal of "New World Ownership" by themselves.

The Jews form a closed society in the US that posesses upward of 80 % of the wealth in the US, and forms a huge monopoly capable of dictating to the US political system. They seek to extend this level of control to the rest of the world for their NW Ownership.

IMHO,
is

[whitemajikman]

WAYNE AND JIM...........

THIS IS WHAT YOU REPRESENT............

It IS A GOOD ARTICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE READ AND PONDERED BY BOTH OF YOU...........

Agenda of the Activists

By: Ryan Mauro

tdcanalyst@optonline.net



From my own studies, I know that during the Cold War, the USSR and countries allied to the USSR launched “special measures” activities aimed at the manipulation of scientific fact, activist groups, etc., as a way to influence American domestic and foreign policy. Of course, there are valid environmental concerns and these need to be handled. But there is another side to the story. Certain activist groups have been manipulated or down-right hijacked by radicals, likely with the help of foreign intelligence agencies or simply people believing in forms of Marxist-Leninism. There is no single agenda, but WorldThreats.com feels obliged to show some of the quotes by various activist groups and people.

Please consider some of these quotes before believing “facts” often pushed to “save the world”. Again, this is not a hit-piece aimed at environmentalists, but rather to demonstrate how radicals are coming to power in activist groups.



“Christianity is our foe. If Animal Rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian religious tradition.” Peter Singer, the father of Animal Rights



“I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, editor of the Earth First Journal



“We reject the idea of private property.” Peter Berle, President of the National Audubon Society



“People are the case of all the problems, we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any.” Charles Wurster of the Environmental Defense Fund



“This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety.” Sherry Neddick of Greenpeace



“Protecting the environment is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guide of preserving nature.” J.H. Robbins



“A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect.” Richard Benedict, State Dept. /Conservation Foundation



“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University



“The secret to David McTaggart’s success is the secret to Greenpeace’s success: It doesn’t matter what is true…it only matters what people believe is true…You are what the media defines you to be. Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine.” Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.



“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we might do with it.” Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute.



“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing—in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth, former US Senator (D-Colorado)



“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.” David Foreman, “Earth First”



“As radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem, but as a necessary solution.” Miss Ann Thropy (pseudonym), Earth First Journal



“I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environmental bandwagon don’t have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles.” Dennis Hayes, Earth Day Agenda



“If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund



“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” J.L. Mencken



“Cannibalism is a radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.” Lyall Watson in the Financial Times



“The message has now gone out to all leftists; ‘substitute green for red’—that is, push socialism labeled as environmentalism as the new priority.” David Horowitz and Peter Collier in “The Destructive Generation”



“…The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them.” Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund



Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth. -- Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists



We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion -- guilt-free at last! -- Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue



Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets...Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along. -- David Graber, biologist, National Park Service



We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels. -- Carl Amery



To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem -- Lamont Cole



The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. -- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)



The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer -- Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (196

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 -- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)



"Monkey wrenching, (unlawful sabotage of industrial extraction/development equipment and infrastructure) is not mindless – targets are carefully picked for their strategic value." - Earth First



"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…. climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister, Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998



"The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority an alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now." - Louis Proyect, Columbia University



"They have cheated the case and I am angry about that, because that will come to our account. They use bad data, as well as for the Brent Spar as for the French nuclear tests. I am against nuclear tests, but one should use scientifically sound arguments…. No, Greenpeace has harmed the environmental case." - Paul Crutzen, Nobel Prize winner for his work on the ozone layer, cancelled his Greenpeace membership


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[whitemajikman]

“[the task is to] covertly lower the standard of living, the whole social structure, of America so that we can be merged with all other nations.” Rowan Gaither, president of the Ford Foundation, 1954.



“A psycho-politician must work hard to produce the maximum chaos in the fields of ‘mental healing’. You must work until every teacher of psychology unknowingly or knowingly teaches only Communist doctrine under the guide of ‘psychology’. You must labor until every doctor and psychiatrist is either a psycho-politician or an unwitting assistant to our aims. You must labor until we have domination of the minds and bodies of every important person in your nation (America). You must work until suicide arising from mental imbalance is common and calls forth no general investigation or remark…You must dominate as respected men the fields of psychiatry and psychology. You must dominate the hospitals and universities…With it you can erase our enemies as insects. You can change their (leaders) loyalties by psychopolitics…Use the courts, use the judges, use the Constitution of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to further our ends…By psycho-politics create chaos. Leave a nation leaderless. Kill our enemies. And bring to Earth, through Communism, the greatest peace man has ever known.”

Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, head of the Lenin School of Psycho-Politics in 1933 addressing students at the university as described in “The Soviet Art of Brainwashing” by Kenneth Goff.



“Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance to our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have. Patriotism, nationalism, and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick because a truly well individual is one who has rejected all of those things, and is truly the international child of the future.” Dr. Chester Pierce, Harvard University professor and Humanist activist



“Every child who believes in God is mentally ill.” Dr. Paul Brandwein, a leading child psychologist.



“We do not need any more preaching about right or wrong. The old ‘thou shall nots’ simply are not relevant…Values clarification is a method for teachers to change the values of children without getting caught.” Dr. Sidney Simon, lecturer and teacher



“What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality—the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy.” Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, the first head of the World Federation of Mental Health (which also pushes globalism and movements towards world unity)



“You must work until the officials of city, county and state governments will not think twice before they pounce upon Christian groups as public enemies…You must recruit every agency of the nation marked for slaughter, into a foaming hatred of Christianity. You must suborn district attorneys and judges into an intense belief, that Christian practices are vicious, bad, insanity causing, publicly hated, and intolerable.” From a Communist textbook of Psychopolitics written in 1933.



“The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States. And fully ninety percent of its efforts are on behalf of the communists.” From a special HCLU investigation of the ACLU in 1931.



“Communism is the goal.” Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU.



“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” Norma Thomas, US Socialist Presidential candidate in the 1960s



“Your grandchildren will live under communism…Oh you Americans! You’re so gullible! We’ll spoon-feed you socialism until you’re communists and don’t even know it. We’ll never have to fire a shot!” Nikita Khrushchev in the 1950s speaking to the US Secretary of Agriculture



“The New York Times is deliberately pitched to the liberal point of view.” Herman Dismore, foreign editor of the New York Times from 1950 to 1960.



“The news media in general are liberals”. Barbara Walters



“News reporters are certainly liberal and left of center.” Walter Cronkite



Activists, radicals, peace campaigners, green party members: as far as the leaders of the GRU are concerned, these are like ripe water-melons, green on the outside, but red on the inside—and mouth-watering. So there is a good base for recruiting.” Viktor Survorov, Soviet GRU defector in his book, “Spetsnaz”

WMM

[whitemajikman]

These Jews that follow the Torah and Talmud are just humans that attempt to play god, and in that process show their real values of their false god rooted in vengence, hate, and war. The language is that of petty thugs with their goal of "New World Ownership" by themselves.

What is it with your "Hard on" for Jewry.......?

If We Jews Did indeed control every aspect in daily life,Why are the Palestinians still around......?

Why are you still Alive And Kicking.........?

And why isn't the Talmud Taught to every child in Elementary....?

Why is there a need for Israel to possess Nukes as a deterrent.....?

Why is Anti-semitism not Dead.....?

Why is it that I have to pose these simple little questions ,to Jim's simple little mind......?

Jim answer this......

In your own words......

What is the Difference between Radical Zionism and World Jewry.......?

WMM

[Yaak]

Is the effects of the fluoride effects that effects the effect of the Jews when effected by the Masonic effects on the titanium dioxide effects, effectively effecting the effects of the JR Mason Jews causing the effect of the acid rain effect of the chemtrail effect on the effects of the heavy metals effects.

How am I doing, Jimmy? Am I close?:D

IMHFO
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