It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature

[Yaak]

Hoot claimed:
Just like there are no CHEMTRAILS there, NONE! NADA! NEVER!
That is correct. In fact, there are no chemtrails anywhere. There are, however, contrails over China, and when weather conditions are right, they persist and spread just like they do everywhere else. Why? Because there are jet aircraft that fly all over China at the necessary altitudes for contrail formation. If you don't believe me, look at NASA satellite images.

Thanx for that stock tip on Greenbrier. Yes, they do make rail cars. The railroad business appears to be very good right now, hauling all of that Chinese made rubbish to Wal-marts all across America. Put yourself in my shoes for a moment, though. Would you buy stock based on the claims of a stranger posting on a message board, no less a message board that has members with little ability to think, reason or recognize truth and at least one insane person?

There are some “comfy white box cars with shackles� with lots of rubber and padding, and they are for chemmies. You can call them “nice FEMA camps� if you wish, but they’re still “funny farms� to the rest of us.

How about telling the audience what effect the ionosphere has on the weather.

[halva]

Message from Ross Gelbspan:
http://www.heatisonline.org/

The message that was posted here from Ross Gelbspan has been removed at his request, obviously a request motivated by characteristic harassment from Raynolds.

Raynolds you can keep playing this trick, but it is not going to keep working for you much longer.

The most important work is being done away from your internet-centred field of intervention.

[The Shadow]

So, Mr. Reynolds, you are once again playing the victim. This is not surprising since it fits so neatly within your already questionable character. It is foolish because your loathsome reputation is known widely across the Internet. Although it has been effectively documented that your “associates� are well aware of your talent for publishing information about people that is either known to be false, embellished upon, or has been simply culled from the dark recesses of your twisted mind, very few of them have had the balls to call you on it. As recent as ten days ago, MaverickGoose bawled you out at http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2766.topic for acting like a pimply-faced prepubescent coward. In the course of so doing, he also called attention to his own experience with your lack of personal ethics.

“My question back at ya, Jay, is why don't you ask me yourself? Is this some type
of high school thing where you can't address me personally? You aren't banned from
my board, so what's the deal? I don't really care for you as a person since you
decided to promote a known lie about me. You wouldn't listen to me when I
was telling the truth all along, and now you're resorting to the intellectual equivalent
of passing notes in grade school math class.

“For any of your future "questions," you know damn well where to find me. Be
a grown up and ask me yourself.�

cydoniaquest also earned points for his truthfulness.

“Jay is a strange one, I'll say that. Can the guy hold a grudge or what?�

The rest of the gang has remained silent. Nevertheless, they all continue to ally themselves with someone who clearly exhibits antisocial mannerisms on a grand scale. Applying your own set of criteria, Mr. Reynolds, those individuals have implicated themselves by acquiescence and acceptance of your behavior. They surely encourage you by their lack of opposition. It is called being an “accessory.�

The fact of the matter is that you are little more than a spinmeister, Mr. Reynolds. The very notion that foot_soldier would agree with you on anything is hysterical. You know damned well that this person is on record as having stated previously what everyone else knows. Individual people are responsible for their own speech and what they write. In contrast, what you appear to be advocating, here, is the predominance of a social or group conscience. I seriously doubt that MaverickGoose considers himself at fault for your complete lack of personal honor as a man (and I use that term very loosely).

As for your criticism of me, Mr. Reynolds, I take it as a compliment as you have written the book on sickness, desperation, and depravity. You do not seem to mind posting some of the most vile and borderline libelous material about whomever you choose, but when you get the same in return, you whimper like a little baby that is being tormented by a loaded diaper.

Here is a final point for you to ponder. This “Diane Harvey� routine of yours is growing rather stale. No one in his or her right mind believes that she and I are the same person. I seriously doubt that you do, either – and that is what has your boxer shorts all dripping wet. The beauty of it is that I could be standing three feet away from you and you would not even have a clue. The only similarity in our style is that both Diane and I happen to possess a higher than average command of the written English language. As a self-proclaimed journalist, Mr. Reynolds, you come in a distant third. However, if it helps you to sleep better at night, you may call me anything you like. God knows that you are an expert when it comes to composing and composting fiction.

Certainly, The Shadow knows...

[The Shadow]

Per an earlier request, here is the biography of William Cooper – straight from his own web site:

http://www.hourofthetime.com/william.htm

A SHORT BIOGRAPHY

William Cooper was reared in an Air Force family. As a child he lived in many different countries, graduating from Yamato High School in Japan. Since he has traveled through or lived in many different foreign countries Mr. Cooper has a world view much different than most Americans.

William served with the Strategic Air Command, United States Air Force. He held a secret clearance working on B-52 bombers, KC-135 refueling aircraft, and Minuteman missiles. William received his Honorable Discharge from the United States Air Force in 1965.

William joined the United States Navy fulfilling a dream previously frustrated by chronic motion sickness. He served aboard the submarine USS Tiru (SS-416), USS Tombigbee (AOG-11), Naval Support Activity Danang RVN, Naval Security and Intelligence Camp Carter RVN, Danang Harbor Patrol RVN, Dong Ha River Security Group RVN, USS Charles Berry (DE-1035), Headquarters Commander in Chief Pacific Fleet, USS Oriskany (CVA-34).

Cooper was a member of the Office of Naval Security and Intelligence serving as a Harbor and River Patrol Boat Captain at Danang and the Dong Ha River Security Group, Cua Viet, Republic of Vietnam. William Cooper was awarded several medals for his leadership and heroism during combat including two with "V" for Valor.

He served on the Intelligence Briefing Team for the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet. William was the Petty Officer of the Watch and designated KL-47 SPECAT operator in the CINCPACFLT Command Center at Makalapa Hawaii. There he held a Top Secret, Q, SI, security clearance.

William Cooper achieved the rank of First Class Petty Officer, QM1, E-6 after only 8 years of Naval service, a difficult task in any branch of the United States military. William Cooper received an Honorable Discharge from the United States Navy on December 11, 1975.

William attended Long Beach City College where he picked up an Associate of Science Degree in Photography. He founded the Absolute Image Studio and Gallery of Fine Art Photography in Long Beach, California.

William held the position of Executive Director of Adelphi Business College, Pacific Coast Technical Institute, and National Technical College. Mr. Cooper was the National Marketing Coordinator for National Education and Software.

He produced several documentaries covering subjects such as the Kennedy assassination and secret black projects (http://www.hourofthetime.com/area51.htm) that have built flying disk shaped craft. William is an internationally acclaimed radio personality broadcasting the Hour Of The Time (http://www.hourofthetime.com/hott.htm) on WBCQ worldwide short-wave 7.415 MHz from 10 PM until 11 PM Eastern Standard Time (0300 to 0400 UTC) Monday through Thursday nights.

William Cooper is the author of Behold A Pale Horse. The book has become the best selling underground book of all time. It is read and promoted by word of mouth by People of all races, religions, and nationalities.

Mr. Cooper is a world class lecturer, one of the few other than superstars, monarchs, and Popes who have appeared at Wembly in London. William Cooper has lectured for 10 years in every State.

William Cooper, Trustee, has founded for Harvest Trust, the CAJI News Service, VERITAS (http://www.hourofthetime.com/veritas.htm) national full size newspaper, The Intelligence Service (http://www.hourofthetime.com/is.htm), Harvest Publications, and has helped over 700 low power FM affiliate stations get equipped and on the air... including the station he manages as Trustee for the Independence Foundation Trust, 101.1 FM Eagar, Arizona, broadcasting to 7,000 people.

Under his leadership Harvest Trust ventured into the publishing trade. The first book under the Harvest Trust imprint was Oklahoma City: Day One (http://www.hourofthetime.com/oklahoma.htm) by Michele Marie Moore... the definitive classic on the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995.

Shortly after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building Rush Limbaugh read a White House memo on the air during his broadcast which named William Cooper, "...the most dangerous radio host in America". Mr. Cooper considers William Clinton's pronouncement the greatest compliment that he has ever received.

William Cooper's FBI file, promulgated by the investigation required by his security clearances while in military service, was one of those unlawfully in possession of the White House in what has become known as, "Filegate". Shortly after this discovery President Clinton ordered all federal agencies to begin investigation, persecution, and prosecution of Mr. Cooper to shut him up.

After years of filing FOIA requests and researching the IRS William Cooper brought suit against the IRS in Federal District Court in Phoenix Arizona to force the IRS to produce proof of jurisdiction and delegation of authority which the IRS was unable to do. To short circuit Mr. Cooper's attempt to reveal the true nature of the criminal IRS, and to carry out the orders of the White House, the agency lied to a Grand Jury, not allowing William Cooper to testify, and secured indictments against Mr. Cooper and his wife Annie. This ploy successfully stopped Mr. Cooper from continuing his suit against the criminal IRS for fear of being arrested.

In 1998 VERITAS and Harvest Publications was sold to Hallmark Creative Corporation along with the copyright and all rights to all written material produced or ever to be produced by William Cooper including Behold A Pale Horse and Oklahoma City: Day one. Hallmark Creative Corporation has contracted to insure this material is always available to the public.

William Cooper continues to champion the cause of Truth and Freedom for all Peoples of all races, religions, and places of ancestral origin. William is Native American, English, Scotch, and Irish. He lives in Arizona. Formerly with his beautiful Chinese wife Annie, daughters, Dorothy (Pooh), little Allyson and their dogs, Sugarbear, and Crusher. In March of 1999 William Sent his family out of the United States for their security. He now lives and works alone with his two dogs, one rooster, and one chicken.


Update : Bill was killed by the Apache County Sherrifs Department during a raid on his home in November of 2001. He is now buried on a hill in Eagar, Arizona. We will be updating this page with more current information shortly (Spring 2003).

[halva]

Shadow, you are going to make yourself ill with the things you spend your time studying.

Don't you agree that the delete button is the best solution for all this Maverick crowd or whatever they are.

Do we really need to know anything about them?

[The Shadow]

The following is one version of the deadly confrontation:

http://www.worldofthestrange.com/docv23.html

Details are still sketchy on what caused the Cooper shootout on November 5, 2001, but a fax sent from the Apache County Sheriff's office sheds some more light on the subject. William Cooper was fatally wounded during a late night gunfight. Contrary to what was reported earlier, it was not a SWAT raid, but a simple confrontation between police and Cooper. One Apache County deputy, Robert Martinez was critically wounded in the exchange. Here's what we know so far:

After leaving his residence in his vehicle, the report states that Cooper confronted plain clothed deputies a short distance away. "As Cooper drove back to his residence, deputies attempted to stop him using a fully marked patrol vehicle to block the driveway. Cooper refused to stop or comply with verbal orders by the deputies", according to the report.

Cooper then drove around the patrol car to evade the arrest, and the report stated that he tried to run over one of the deputies en route back to his residence. Cooper was then followed a short distance to his residence where this time he was confronted by uniformed deputies. "After refusing once again to comply with the deputies orders, Cooper exited his vehicle and began running toward the house, firing shots with a handgun toward the deputies", the report said. No where in the report did it mention that Cooper only had one leg - the other lost in combat long ago. Cooper died on the scene.

When Deputy Martinez took a head shot, officers returned fire, the report said. According to the Sheriff's office, "the surgery on Martinez went well" , but the condition is still critical. There was a positive history written up about Martinez in the report, but nothing positive about Cooper, of course.

Cooper had made it known that he would take action against law enforcement from years back stating, "trespassers will be shot on discovery." He also denied violating any laws during that period as well. Cooper has a history of harassing and threatening local residents with deadly force, according to the report. He was recently charge with aggravated assault and endangerment, as well as wanted by the U.S. Marshall's Service on unrelated felony charges. Cooper had spent the last month challenging the government's claims about what caused the destruction of the World Trade Center on September 11.

Most who knew of Cooper all state that he was a hard man to get along with - if at all. His demeanor and attitude was "unfriendly" at best. Although state-sponsored media called Cooper a "national militia leader", no one has yet to come forward who was under his command, nor has anyone to this point come forward to claim his 'militia rank'. None of those who knew Cooper and spoke to Sierra Times wanted to go on the record, but the best statement was, "he was a son-of a bitch, but he was our son-of-a bitch". The new Patriot Act of 2001 has many wondering if the Cooper take down was just the beginning in silencing the voices on opposition in the Country. "Are they just starting in alphabetical order?" one person asked. Cooper was best known for being the first to provide evidence of explosives being found inside the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, including the type of explosive used.

___________________________________________


Now, given what is known about the position taken by Mr. Reynolds on any number of issues, the odds would seem to be extremely remote that he and William Cooper would find common ground on much of anything – least of all weather modification. Nevertheless, there is an entire section (http://www.hourofthetime.com/weather.htm) devoted to that very subject at the Hour of The Time web site. Currently, there are eight links to some highly controversial subject matter, the bulk of which Mr. Reynolds is on record as being highly critical whenever they are cited by “chemmies.� The links are:

Weather Modification Permit Program (http://cwcb.state.co.us/weather_modification/permit_program.htm)
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weatherlaw.htm
http://www.weathermodification.org/
http://www.owrb.state.ok.us/hazard/weather/wx_mod.php
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/15/chapters/9a/toc.html
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1602/16020790.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm
Hurricane Control? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5988890/?GT1=5100)

In his published biography (http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/aboutjay.html), Mr. Reynolds lavishes praise upon William Cooper and speaks of his own involvement with the VERITAS and Harvest Publications. It is disturbing to note that about the same time that William Cooper sent his family out of the United States for their security, Mr. Reynolds was busy ramping up his assault against those who dared to research the subject of chemtrails and weather modification.

I do not believe in coincidences. Although his web site is linked from that of William Cooper, something about the claims of Jay Reynolds stinks like the insides of a slaughterhouse. There are staggering contradictions that defy logic. Was William Cooper really his friend or a targeted assignment?

Before this is over, The Shadow will know...

[The Shadow]

The larger font size sure gives the illusion that what you have to say is so much more important!

Yaakity-Yaak – "Just another prick down the hall"

[jayreynolds]

Message from Ross Gelbspan:
http://www.heatisonline.org/

'As I mentioned in my earlier e-mail, I very much support your efforts for more candor in these governments' (and parties') deliberations about climate change, appalling 'geoengineering' notions such as the ones that create the chemtrails, and all other efforts to avoid moving as quickly as possible to a new energy economy by phasing out reliance on fossil fuels....'

'..I'm most sympathetic to what you're doing -- and stand firmly in your camp on the principles you're defending and promoting...'

'..Thanks so much for your work...'

Yours,

Ross Gelbspan

NOTION: noun
1. a vague idea in which some confidence is placed
2. a whimsical idea

Is this the best you can do?

Gelbspan will never accept the notion that the "chemtrails" your people photograph are a worldwide geoengineering scheme being implemented. He seems willing to accomodate your belief in global warming, but really, what will he say about all the Jew-baiting that goes on within your camp, and what sort of prof for your claims were you able to show him, that isn't presented elsewhere, Jimbo's rantings, 'deep shield' reports, Carnicom's bathroom 'analysis', pictures of skywriting over the Olympics?

Did you prepare him for all that and the rest of the absurdities promoted by your cohorts?

If indeed you have contacted him, and it's possible you are lying as you did before, likely you either hid your true belief and motivation for trying to recruit him, or are hiding his skepticism by editing his email.

In past episodes, Wayne Hall has lied about having the support of prominent people.
He only openly bragged about such contacts AFTER they had rejected him, because at that point there was no use in continuing.
It's a loser's game, as you can see below.
Here are three examples from the past year:
====================
What Wayne said:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32302&postcount=1427
The REST of the story:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33911&postcount=1474
====================
What Wayne said:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5071&postcount=169
The REST of the story:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5255&postcount=177
======================
What Wayne said;
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53553&postcount=2002
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78579&postcount=2322
The REST of the story:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78940&postcount=2328
======================
Is it true that three 'strikes' makes an 'out'?
Could Wayne be so bold, or Gelbspan so foolish?
Nahhh.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Shadow,

Shadow writes:

" In his published biography, Mr. Reynolds lavishes praise upon William Cooper and speaks of his own involvement with the VERITAS and Harvest Publications. It is disturbing to note that about the same time that William Cooper sent his family out of the United States for their security, Mr. Reynolds was busy ramping up his assault against those who dared to research the subject of chemtrails and weather modification. "

=========

It does appear that Cooper was well up in the intelligence circles and was chasing down many of the right problem areas of the US Govt's "loss of balance," shall we say.

Interesting that Cooper was into the JFK assassination and the huge cover ups associated with the "Bauer" family name of Germany, which became the "Rothschild" name in later time. Now that would make the crooks in Govt very nervious.

The Bauer's changed their name to hide their Judiac connections, just as Jack Rubenstein changed his name to loose his Jewish heritage. The Bauer's were highly connected to the plots on Lincoln and the plot on JFK. Both assassinations are so much alike. Power and control struggles over money, particularly Jewish control of money and the US.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm


It does appear that Reynolds was playing the double agent with Cooper, as he has certainly turned on the issues Cooper was promoting.

It does appear that Reynolds was quite likely connected to the problems Cooper was having, just as he is connected to the national security cover ups on air pharmacolgy methods pertaining to Barium and Titanium.

Thanks for sharing !!! I shall pass it along to much higher interests that tend to like those new FEMA trains and camps. We shall make a place for these Reynolds crooks.

IMHO,
is

[The Shadow]

Insurrectionchemistry,

Mr. Reynolds hails from AR not AZ...

[gaiacomm]

While all of you are still playing Ping Pong with Chemtrails and acting like Peacocks in heat I would like to wish each of you all and your respective families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I hope that wisdom will follow you all into the next year and that your lives take on new tasks for the better of yourself and your families!

[jayreynolds]

Hi Shadow,

Shadow writes:

" In his published biography, Mr. Reynolds lavishes praise upon William Cooper and speaks of his own involvement with the VERITAS and Harvest Publications. It is disturbing to note that about the same time that William Cooper sent his family out of the United States for their security, Mr. Reynolds was busy ramping up his assault against those who dared to research the subject of chemtrails and weather modification. "

=========

It does appear that Cooper was well up in the intelligence circles and was chasing down many of the right problem areas of the US Govt's "loss of balance," shall we say.

Interesting that Cooper was into the JFK assassination and the huge cover ups associated with the "Bauer" family name of Germany, which became the "Rothschild" name in later time. Now that would make the crooks in Govt very nervious.

The Bauer's changed their name to hide their Judiac connections, just as Jack Rubenstein changed his name to loose his Jewish heritage. The Bauer's were highly connected to the plots on Lincoln and the plot on JFK. Both assassinations are so much alike. Power and control struggles over money, particularly Jewish control of money and the US.


It does appear that Reynolds was playing the double agent with Cooper, as he has certainly turned on the issues Cooper was promoting. What is more interesting is that Cooper lived in Arizona, and Reynolds lives in Arizona. And Reynolds claims he was many states away when Cooper was killed.

It does appear that Reynolds was quite likely connected to the problems Cooper was having, just as he is connected to the national security cover ups on air pharmacolgy methods pertaining to Barium and Titanium.

Thanks for sharing !!! I shall pass it along to much higher interests that tend to like those new FEMA trains and camps. We shall make a place for these Reynolds crooks.

IMHO,
is

Hey, cool that you have now become spokesman for Diane Harvey(aka. 'theshadow'), Jimbo.
Thanks a million. Oh, by the way, you said that you knew all about how JEWS at Oak ridge National labs were involved in the JFK asassination.

What were their names?


!!! I shall pass it along to much higher interests that tend to like those new FEMA trains and camps. We shall make a place for these Reynolds crooks.

Which "higher interests" in FEMA do you communicate with, Jimbo?
Who do yu speak of when you say "WE", Jimbo?

What are their names?

If Diane Harvey really wanted to answer the questions she posed, she could contact original sources, the friends and family of Bill Cooper. She is only interested in insinuation, not revelation however. All such people, and those who follow them, are losers because they fail to follow the path of knowledge which could lead them to the truth.

They are small footnotes in the big book of reality.
Diane, don't fool yourself into believing that on open ground you could ever slow me down.
===============
Truth travels at lightspeed, lies stumble along in darkness.
(original quote by Jay Reynolds) 12/23/04

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Shadow,

Shadow writes:

" Now, given what is known about the position taken by Mr. Reynolds on any number of issues, the odds would seem to be extremely remote that he and William Cooper would find common ground on much of anything – least of all weather modification. Nevertheless, there is an entire section devoted to that very subject at the Hour of The Time web site. Currently, there are eight links to some highly controversial subject matter, the bulk of which Mr. Reynolds is on record as being highly critical whenever they are cited by “chemmies.” The links are:

Weather Modification Permit Program
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weatherlaw.htm
http://www.weathermodification.org/
http://www.owrb.state.ok.us/hazard/weather/wx_mod.php
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casec...ers/9a/toc.html
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1602/16020790.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm
Hurricane Control?

In his published biography, Mr. Reynolds lavishes praise upon William Cooper and speaks of his own involvement with the VERITAS and Harvest Publications. It is disturbing to note that about the same time that William Cooper sent his family out of the United States for their security, Mr. Reynolds was busy ramping up his assault against those who dared to research the subject of chemtrails and weather modification.

I do not believe in coincidences. Although his web site is linked from that of William Cooper, something about the claims of Jay Reynolds stinks like the insides of a slaughterhouse. There are staggering contradictions that defy logic. Was William Cooper really his friend or a targeted assignment? "

=========

Very damning indeed these actions and timelines that speak much louder than words on Jay Reynolds.

Cooper was definitely a targetting assignment, just as the folks speaking up on climate change, air pharmacology, and related relgion factors are Jay Reynolds' obvious targets now.

There might be a cheep Mercedes or two available on the police seizure lists for auction from organized crime here soon.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Message from Ross Gelbspan:
http://www.heatisonline.org/

'As I mentioned in my earlier e-mail, I very much support your efforts for more candor in these governments' (and parties') deliberations about climate change, appalling 'geoengineering' notions such as the ones that create the chemtrails, and all other efforts to avoid moving as quickly as possible to a new energy economy by phasing out reliance on fossil fuels....'

'..I'm most sympathetic to what you're doing -- and stand firmly in your camp on the principles you're defending and promoting...'

'..Thanks so much for your work...'

Yours,

Ross Gelbspan

Well, Wayne, you really stepped in it now.
I just got off the phone with Ross Gelbspan.
He was cordial, but when asked he said he didn't know much about "chemtrails". He said you and others had tried to get him to sign a petition but that he had refused. When I read him the exceprts you published from his email, he could see what you left out to make it appear he supported your claims. He said it was "NONSENSE", and that he was "VERY DISTRESSED". He asked me to send him the URL for your quotation, and said that he would be emailing you promptly. Here is what I sent him::
Mr. Gelbspan,
Here is the webpage where you are being quoted. It was interesting that no mention was made about your refusing to sign their petition. From my experience, these people fail to get prominent supporters, but when they fail, they go ahead and claim support, since at that time they assume that they have nothing further to lose. Shortsighted, yes. the truth always comes out.

The person with username "halva" is Wayne Hall.

http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207015&postcount=4252

I would appreciate you sending me a "cc" of any correspondence you have with Wayne Hall regarding this.

If you would like to ask me any questions which aren't explained at my website, just send me an email.

Thanks,
Jay Reynolds

[Yaak]

So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people you have allied yourself with? Perhaps it is a proper association. Do you realize that in Jim's mind there might be no difference between Arizona and Arkansas?

It is possible that you have an excellent command of the English language. Also, it should be noted that some word processing software is capable of indicating faulty grammar and mismatched verb tenses. The thesaurus is a useful writer’s tool.

It is sad that you have found no apparent use for your literary talents other than harassing and flaming. Your continual references to bodily waste functions could be indicative of psychoses related to problems you have experienced or are experiencing with your own digestive system.

Why does it surprise you that two people with many differing view points and opinions could be friends or associates? Couldn’t the love of their country or a shared passion for the truth be enough to bind them? Do you seriously believe that your obvious attempt to assassinate Jay’s character adds validity to Wayne’s and Jim’s hoaxes?

Thank you for pointing out how stale my signature has become. It was a private joke.

[jayreynolds]

Message from Ross Gelbspan:
http://www.heatisonline.org/

'As I mentioned in my earlier e-mail, I very much support your efforts for more candor in these governments' (and parties') deliberations about climate change, appalling 'geoengineering' notions such as the ones that create the chemtrails, and all other efforts to avoid moving as quickly as possible to a new energy economy by phasing out reliance on fossil fuels....'

'..I'm most sympathetic to what you're doing -- and stand firmly in your camp on the principles you're defending and promoting...'

'..Thanks so much for your work...'

Yours,

Ross Gelbspan
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!
THE SHAME OF CHEMMIES EXPOSED ONCE AGAIN!


Hey, Deborah, aren't you ashamed that Wayne tried to drag Ross Gelbspan into the "chemtrails" hoax?

You know, the words "chemtrails" and "geoengineering" are starting to become more and more synonymous over time with the word "HOAX"!

How involved were you in this scheme to falsely make it appear Gelbspan was "in your camp"?

You really need to admit if you were involved, or disclaim any involvement if not.

Gelbspan didn't name names, but he did mention that others were involved.

Where is this petition that is being circulated?
For what reason is such an activist document being kept hidden?


It's time to air the dirty laundry.
OUT WITH IT!

[gaiacomm]

Blah...Blah.... Balh.....


Ping........Pong......

[jayreynolds]

Message from Ross Gelbspan:
http://www.heatisonline.org/
The message that was posted here from Ross Gelbspan has been removed at his request, obviously a request motivated by characteristic harassment from Raynolds.
Raynolds you can keep playing this trick, but it is not going to keep working for you much longer.
The most important work is being done away from your internet-centred field of intervention.

Wayne, to the contrary, Mr. Gelbspan and I are now on a first name basis, and have had a cordial conversation, off the internet, at the close of which he thanked me for my alert about your deliberate misquote. No harassment whatsoever took place, and he is in the process of reviewing my website.

The one who has continued playing 'tricks' is Wayne Hall.

What could you have been thinking?

Well, bad news travels fast when people like Gelbspan get burned, and he knows for certain to never trust a chemmie again- not ever!

It's a certainty that his network of friends and associates will now become similarly aware of the depths to which your cult will go, absolute fakery and deliberate misquotation.

You made a big mistake, Wayne, you have poisoned one of the most prolific global warming writers in the nation against your and Debroah Stark's cause.

A big loss for you, old bean, and a shameful one at that.

I'll bet Deborah is postively seething over your stupidity, or at least she should be.

The rest of your chem-cult members need to become aware of how you have really screwed up bigtime, and how you have now done so in three countries at least:

====================
What Wayne said:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32302&postcount=1427
The REST of the story from Greece:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33911&postcount=1474
====================
What Wayne said:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5071&postcount=169
The REST of the story from Greece:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5255&postcount=177
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What Wayne said;
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53553&postcount=2002
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78579&postcount=2322
The REST of the story, from England:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78940&postcount=2328
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[halva]

Set back for Blair on climate change

Press Association
Saturday December 18, 2004

Tony Blair's push for US engagement on climate change suffered a fresh set-back today when an international conference ended without agreement on future action.

The prime minister has said global warming will be Britain's priority during next year's presidency of the G8 group of leading industrialised nations.

President George Bush has made it clear America will not sign up to the Kyoto Protocol on cutting carbon dioxide emissions blamed for rising temperatures.

The UK, along with fellow EU members, wanted US agreement on examining how to proceed once that protocol runs out in 2010 at the climate change conference in Argentina.

However, America rejected proposals for a series of talks next year in favour of a single meeting held over several days.

Environment secretary Margaret Beckett said: "What they don't want is for people to make some great leap into the unknown and start setting very concrete parameters for the future."

Mrs Beckett told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It has not been particularly euphoric or celebratory. But on the other hand it has certainly been different from any previous conference of this kind I have been to.

"What has been different about it is the greater degree of openness about the future beyond the Kyoto Protocol.

"I think certainly for the last year, 18 months, maybe a bit more, not knowing quite where we were on ratification, whether the Protocol was going to come into force, has been a dampener."

Mrs Beckett acknowledged that Mr Blair has "stuck his neck out" on the issue.

"It may be that there are players around ... the American administration who wish that Britain was not making this a top priority in its G8 Presidency. We are," she added.

Shadow environment secretary Tim Yeo said Britain "must get it own house in order" on climate change. "We are certainly having rising CO2 emissions in Britain and we need urgently to change policy," he told Today.

"Once we do that we will have a lot more credibility in international talks that are so important."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Interesting about face by Reynolds.


http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/aboutjay.html

Seeking answers and solutions, he allied with William Cooper, a great American who has been documenting these changes and their possible outcomes. Jay's research has helped in the production of a newspaper, VERITAS, the Harvest-Trust website, and Mr. Cooper's nightly broadcast "The Hour of the Time".

[jayreynolds]

Set back for Wayne Hall among climate change advocates

Press Association
Saturday December 18, 2004

Wayne Hall's push for US support for the "chemtrail" hoax suffered a fresh set-back today when influential and well-known climate change advocate Ross Gelbspan disavowed all support for Hall and his cronies.

Hall has said he would be targeting climate change activists, attempting to recruit their support and credibility for his flagging efforts

Previously, two Greek and one British scientist whom Hall claimed supported him have made it clear that they see "no evidence whatsoever" for "chemtrails".

The latest flap began when Wayne Hall posted to a public message board quotations which he attributed as being excerpted from an email from global warming writer Ross Gelbspan.

However, Gelbspan, contacted the same day at his Masachusetts home by "chemtrails" debunker Jay Reynolds, said,

"This is distressing nonsense, I refused to sign their petition. I will ask that the quotes be removed immediately."

Within several hours, Wayne Hall did in fact remove the quotes, "at his[Gelbspan's] request".

Hall, faced with exposure of his latest hoax gambit, only claimed that Gelbspan's request was, "motivated by characteristic harassment from Raynolds."

Hall made no comment regarding the petition that Gelbspan had refused to sign before being contacted by Reynolds, or how Reynolds became so powerful that a major figure in climate activism would suddenly drop all support for "chemtrails" after receiving only one phone call.

Asked for comment, Jay Reynolds stated, "It was a classic case of chemmie stupidity. They always play the same cards, so it has become very simple to counter them, as soon as they come out onto an open field and get pinned down. Hall's misquotation of Gelbspan, for obvious purposes, was simply too easy and extremely foolish. I don't know what he really thought he could pull off here, but obviously he doesn't learn very quickly from past mistakes."

Wayne Hall and Deborah have made no comment on the matter, having claimed that they don't even read what Jay Reynolds posts.

Perhaps they should reconsider that position.

[stuart_allsop]

WOODPECKER!!!! This system was generating 1.2 Billion WATTS of power in 1993Wow! Really! So much, huh?

OK, let's see how that compares with the power of sunlight striking the ground, which is what has been driving the weather on this planet for the last few billion years.

This amount of solar radiation arriving on Earth, known as the solar constant, is 1370 W/m2. OF course, not all of that is converted to heat, only about one third. To make the calculations easy, let's call it about 500 watts per square meter.

So, sunlight will give you about 500 waits per square meter at ground level. That's about the maximum that you could capture with a perfect solar panel, theoretically, on a good cloudless day, so that's a good working figure.

So, if you divide 1.2 billion watts by 500 watts per square meter, you get the number of square meters of land surface that you would need, to generate the same amount of heat that Woodpecker is putting out.

1,200,000,000 / 500 = 2,400,000

So you need roughly 2 and a half million square meters of land, each one picking up 500 watts of power from the sun, to capture 1.2 billion watts.

2,400,000 square meters must be a hell of a lot, right? Big chunk of land!? To find out, all you need to is know how many square meters there are in a square mile, and work it from there.
Just take the square root of 2,400,000 to get the dimensions of the square, in meters

The square root of 2,400,000 is roughly 1,550.

So Woodpecker is putting out the same amount of power as a patch of land that measures 1.5 kilometers on each side. In Imperial terms, that's about one squre mile, more or less.

Wow! That actually a tiny, minute little patch of land, compared to the entire surface are of the planet!

So, to summarize, you are saying that Woodpecker is generating about the same amount of power as the sun generates by shining on a square mile of ground.

Now, to put this in a political perspective, consider that the entire land area of the stat of Ohio is about 45,000 square miles (give or take a few). We all know that Ohio already generates a lot of hot air, so it's a good choice for our comparison.

As it turns out, Woodpecker must be generating about 0.002% of the amount of hot air that Ohio generates (assuming no politicians are present).

Or to put it another way, the entire surface area of the United States of America is about 3,537,441 square miles.

So Woodpecker is putting out roughly 0.0000028% of what the USA puts out, every time the sun shines. But the USA is a small area, compared with the entire planet. The entire surface area of the planet is roughly 196,935,000 sq miles.

So, according to you, Woodpecker is generating about 0.000,000,000,005% of the heat generated by the sun shining on the earth.

Huh?

Wazzat?

You mean to tell us that your fictitious "Woodpecker", is not putting out even a 1 ten billionth of one percent of the amount of heat that the sun generates naturally?

So how in heck could Woodpecker have even the SLIGHTEST effect on the weather, if it is putting out less than a ten billionth of a percent of the power that it would need to do so?

In effect, you are telling us that if Woodpecker were the size of an AA battery (the kind you use in your Walkman or your I-Pod), then it would be able to compete with the amount of power that runs New Your City..

You are saying that if you were to connect your Woodpecker battery to the New Your City power grid, that it would have enough effect to make the lights bur brighter, and would start popping light bulbs all over, due to the additional power it was providing.

Do you have any idea just how STUPID that is?

Debunking weather-related conspiracy theories is so simple, just because conspiracy theorists have no concept of the incredibly vast amounts of energy involved in the weather.

Once you point it out like this, in equivalent terms that anyone can understand, it becomes patently obvious that Woodpecker, even if it really did exist, would have not even the slightest effect on the weather, because it is so incredibly tiny compared with the size of the weather system.

So thanks for trying, there, Hoot. I see why you choase that name: You really are a hoot! :)

[halva]

My position is that the best way to prevent this thread being taken over by trolls is to maintain it as a notice-board for news on climate change.

I can't read what if anything Raynolds and company have to say about this. I can read what people on 'our side' say.

It is not only my but also others' departure from this focus that has led to the recent troll resurgence.

Is there anyone here among the non-debunker posters who wants to argue that we are really doing a better job here if we discuss Raynolds' dirty linen, the history of the Jews or the latest horror story from Iraq?

Is there anyone who would really like to claim that it is our task to persuade any of the debunkers of anything, or make better people of them?

Of course climate change/Kyoto news is bad. Things are not going well on that front.

Nevertheless, it is best maintaining the focus on at least the half of the story where pro-globalist news outlets like the Guardian and the BBC promote writers who have not capitulated to the trolls in their own milieu.

[Yaak]

You are saying that if you were to connect your Woodpecker battery to the New Your City power grid, that it would have enough effect to make the lights bur brighter, and would start popping light bulbs all over, due to the additional power it was providing.
You're too much, Stuart. :D

You are proof that if these kids had had instructors that were as much fun as you are, they wouldn't be so ignorant and gullible.
___________________

I do believe that Halva is referring to us as trolls. We keep interfering with his little farce. He needs to realize that without us there would be no one reading his lies. Not only that, but if he and Jim Phelps would start telling the truth (what do you think the odds of that are?) we would go away.

Hey Halva, we know that you read every word that we post. You fool no one except yourself.

[halva]

Lake Tahoe Warmer, Study Finds

By Miguel Bustillo
Times Staff Writer

December 21, 2004

Lake Tahoe is getting warmer and the likely cause is global warming, making it the largest lake in North America where rising temperatures have been linked to climate change, according to a study by UC Davis researchers.

Although the water temperature has increased by less than 1 degree Fahrenheit in three decades, scientists said, it was enough to significantly affect lake currents and to complicate the billion-dollar effort to preserve the clarity of the lake's cobalt-blue waters.

The findings suggest that by altering the currents, the warming trend may promote algae formation near Tahoe's surface and help make those waters more opaque — a condition long blamed on a combination of air and water pollution from runoff, chimney smoke and auto emissions.

Analyzing 33 years of monitoring data, a team of UC Davis scientists found that the warming trend was evident in surface-level water as well as more than 400 meters beneath the surface.

They determined that the change probably is stemming from a slight uptick in temperatures around the world, ruling out other factors such as increased geothermal heat from the earth beneath the lakebed.

"Tahoe is so large, it takes a lot to change it," said Geoffrey Schladow, the director of the UC Davis Tahoe Environmental Research Center and one of the authors of the study, which has been submitted for publication in the scientific journal Climatic Change. "The temperature at the bottom has changed by nearly 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is greater than at any other time in recorded history."

The researchers cautioned that it was premature to draw definitive conclusions about whether the change would help or hurt the lake's ecology, the subject of more than 100 scientific studies over the last 25 years.

But the temperature spike appears to have altered the lake's complex water currents. Warmer waters near the surface are not mixing as frequently with the cooler waters of the lake's depths, they said.

In a lake like Tahoe, the result of that lack of mixing is more distinct layers of different temperatures.

Consequently, the researchers concluded that the water closer to the surface of Lake Tahoe may become a more hospitable place for algae and that sediment may linger longer at the top of the lake, hurting water clarity.

If the lake's top and bottom waters mix less frequently, the scientists said, more phosphorus, a leading cause of algae, could collect at the bottom of the lake. When the currents do shift, the phosphorus could be driven to the surface, causing a huge algae bloom that could turn the surface of the lake virtually green overnight. However, the researchers cautioned that that was an unlikely, worst-case scenario.

"Algae respond to temperature. For every 5 degrees change in Celsius, their growth rates double," Schladow said. "So we would expect some measurable effect."

Until now, the efforts to retain Tahoe's deep-blue color have focused on limiting runoff by reducing traffic and construction and by restoring wetlands, stream beds and meadows on Tahoe's perimeter to help filter contaminants that otherwise might flow into the lake.

Aided by $1 billion in government funds, local officials are devising a series of environmental management plans to protect the lake's water quality and keep it as pristine as possible. The warming of the lake, a previously unknown factor, adds another layer of complexity to that effort.

But the researchers also said the temperature increase could bring about more positive changes.

Zooplankton levels, which were decimated when opossum shrimp were introduced into the lake in the 1960s to help a flagging Mackinaw trout population, could see a rebirth with warmer surface waters, said Robert Coats, a researcher who was part of the study and who has been analyzing Lake Tahoe since his student days at Berkeley more than 30 years ago.

Moreover, the same warming trends that are heating Lake Tahoe also may help bring stream runoff into the lake earlier in the year. That would allow sediment to mix with deeper currents more easily before the lake's water becomes more stratified, helping clarity.

The researchers did not attempt to determine the cause of the climate changes that they believe are affecting the lake, and whether they are due to human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels. But they said officials who were working to improve the lake's water quality would have to take future climate-change predictions into account when devising possible solutions.

UC Davis is part of a project called Pathway 2007, which is working to alleviate the lake's problems through a series of environmental management plans for the Tahoe basin. The university has been studying the lake for decades. Limnology professor Charles Goldman began measuring the ecological health of the lake in 1959, and was the first to warn that its cobalt color was fading.

Monday morning, UC Davis scientists boarded their research vessel, the John LeConte, and took journalists on a tour of water monitoring sites from the Tahoe City Marina on the lake's north shore.

The ship is named for the scientist who first began recording the lake's temperature more than a century ago.

Temperatures on shore were moderate, hovering in the mid-40s Fahrenheit. But on the lake they were considerably cooler. After a 30-minute ride to the center of the lake, the boat arrived at a large yellow buoy that monitors weather and water temperature at the surface of the lake, and provides comparison data that are used to calibrate NASA satellites that hover over the lake and provide similar measurements four times a day.

With help from a small crane, the scientists also dropped a large metal monitor into the water that records temperatures hundreds of meters deep and sends a beam of light that can measure clarity for 20 meters.

Scientists consider lake temperature an important barometer of long-term climate change, because the waters in deep lakes tend to change only slowly, filtering out so-called "static" from minor fluctuations in weather.

In addition to Lake Tahoe, scientists have drawn a link between climate change and higher temperatures at Lake Zurich in Europe, Lake Mendota in Wisconsin and Lake Tanganyika in Africa, among others.

Scientists also have documented climate change-induced warming in a bay in Lake Huron, which is larger than Lake Tahoe, but have not determined whether the changes are occurring throughout its waters.

"The news that Lake Tahoe is getting warmer should be a wake-up call to everyone," Coats said. "Lake Tahoe is known around the world, but we're finding similar effects in many other places."

[gaiacomm]

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

And may your New Year bring you Joy and Love!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

It appears that "Hoot" brings up the issues of "The Woodpecker" system from Russia. The woodpecker system seems to be given its name via the chirped RF system used to make deep over horizon RADAR effects via ionosphere reflections. The Amateur Radio operators liked the name of woodpecker because this is how its low interrogator rates sounded on their HF receivers.

The Russians, like the US, use early warning systems to keep vigil on missle launches. It is a low frequency (really termed HF/VHF as compared to typical RADAR microwave methods) "chirped" RADAR system is a low interrogator rate due to the extremely long range. The Woodpecker systems are very real and used by the Russians as part of their national defence against the US via early warning.

The Woodpecker systems effects was one of the models of interest for what became HAARP. The Woodpecker systems use frequency modulation (called chirping in the lingo of RADAR system engineers) to get some reflections off the very variable ionosphere. Some of this energy gets absorbed by the ionoshere based in the plasma characteristics of the ionosphere. The ionosphere heating and the HAARP system cross factors here---as both are HF RF systems.

The Barium technique on ducting is a variant of this type system.

What is interesting is the absolute non-sense from the Reynolds' experts who can't seem to get the idea that the problem is the differential heating of the ionosphere being the prime factor is interest from these RF emissions. They like to play up heating of the Earth's surface, which has nothing to do with the issues of ionosphere heating and weather modification via that factor.

The Reynolds camp cannot even get the basic sciences correct. They toss out absolute non-sense.

Like the total vapidity that Reynolds missed in explaining the issues of Barium and its extremely low photoelectric work function, his other experts can't even get the issues of ionoshere and plasma sciences involving RF energy absorption down.

They can't even get the basic sciences for plasma physics explained. Which is extreme evidence of misinformation and bold / blatant attempts to mislead.

Misinformation is the name of Reynolds' Con-games.

What else is new, just another load of lies from the Reynolds camp of upside down, or in most cases totally missing science. The basic definitive sciences for Reynolds is: Should we expect anything from swine, but grunts? (BTW--I borrowed that little ditty from a Jewish lineage lawyer that likes to sue Oak Ridge and who won one of the largest malpractice judgements in Tennessee legal history.)

Like swine, only the "Reynolds razorback gang" can make feast of such perfiddeous suey, that everyone elses senses reject because of the extreme smell. These piggies love to wallow in very smelly misinformation garbage.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings,

Perhaps it would be good for S. Allsops to share his educational background with everyone. Share with us where you went to seminary school and your current religion affiliation.

I am particularly interested in what school of seminary is teaching plasma physics and Russian defensive systems design?

Care to enlighten everyone?

IMHO,
is

[The Shadow]

Leave it to Mr. Allslop to go off on a tangent, hoping that no one will notice. You know the old saying: "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance..."

Speaking of woodpeckers, Mr. Allslop, how is your love life...???

(Damn! I believe that I have been reading too many of whitemajikmarker's posts!!!)

_________________________________

Yaakass is Light... Light in the Head, All Right...

The Shadow knows...

[stuart_allsop]

Lake Tahoe is getting warmer and the likely cause is global warming, making it the largest lake in North America where rising temperatures have been linked to climate change, according to a study by UC Davis researchers.


[ ... yadda blah yadda blah yadda ... ]


The researchers did not attempt to determine the cause of the climate changes that they believe are affecting the lake, and whether they are due to human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.

Well, that pretty much says it, doesn't it? Talk about sensationalism! They start out by yelling PROOF OF GLOBAL WARMING!!!! TAHOE IS BOILING", then i nte middle of the fine print they tell you that they actually didn't bother trying to figure out WHY, and that the temperature MAY have reason less than one degree over the last 30 years, which is all the history that they have.

Come ON! Give me a BREAK!!! And this is suppsoed to be objective scientific reporting?

Shhesh!

[halva]

Frustrated at my having ignore-listed him on this thread, Raynolds has now resorted to privately spamming me.

Of course his e-mails go straight into the 'deleted' file at my private e-mail address also.

No points for persistence.

I wonder if he is doing the same thing with, say Ross Gelbspan.

He claims to be 'watching me like a hawk'.

Presumably this means watching my public statements like a hawk.

One does what one can.

[stuart_allsop]

The Barium technique on ducting is a variant of this type system.

Actually, you wre doing quite well, up to this point. Not too many technical errors, and fairly believable. Not bad for a conspiracy theorist.

But then you went and blew it with your "barium ducting" comment.

Would you care to point out some peer-reviewed research papers on this "barium ducting" that you are talking about, as applied in OTH radar? :) :) :) We'd love to read up on this fascianting principle!


What is interesting is the absolute non-sense from the Reynolds' experts who can't seem to get the idea that the problem is the differential heating of the ionosphere being the prime factorYou are kidding, right? Let me get this straight: You are actually claiming that radar systems that are designed to REFLECT their energy off the ionosphere, are actually NOT refelcting their energy, but having it absorbed by the ionisphere (which means that the OTH radar would not work at all), and in addition to the above, you are also saying that this tiny, miniscule, insignifcant amount of energy somehow overwhelms the vast torrents of energy that are flooding the ionosphere naturally, all the time, such as solar radiation, cosmic radiation, gamma radiation, etc.? Are you REALLY saying this? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

You really don't have a clue as to the unimaginably huge amounts of energy that are involved in atmospheric physics, do you? What you are saying here is that Man, with his puny little OTH radar transmitters, canl totally change the characteristics of the ionosphere. That is exactly the same as saying that one kid on the beach, peeing in the surf, will totally change the characteristics of the entire ocean.

Yeah right!

And you expect us to believ that you understand something about sciencem after coming up with litlte gems like that? he he he he!!! Nice Try! You should try Comedy Central; I think they have an opening for comedians like you.


They like to play up heating of the Earth's surface, which has nothing to do with the issues of ionosphere heatingOoops! There you go again, revealing your ignorance of science (not to mention your problematic reading comprehension skills). You seem to have missed the point that the ONLY factor that has been driving the weather on this planet for the last few billion years is sunlight, period. All other factors are insignificant in comparison. The total amount of radiation that strikes the planet Earth averages out to about 1,400 watts PER SQUARE METER, roughly. That's all you get. Some of it is absorbed in the ionosphere, some in the atmosphere, and some by the ground, and if you combine ALL of that, you get about 1,400 watts per square meter.

(You mean you didn't KNOW this stuff, and yet you pretend to be knowledgeable about science? Sheesh!)

So, as I pointed out yesterday, of that 1,400 watts, you can extract maybe 500 at ground level, with a perfect solar panel. The rest is either absorbed on the way down, or lost as heat (entropy).

So, to get back to your point, where the hell did you think that the energy comes from that powers the ionosphere, if not from the sun? DUH! It's called the IONosphere for a reason, you know! It's called the IONosphere because it is made of IONized particles. They are ionized by (drum roll please....) SOLAR RADIATION. Where do you think that SOLAR RADIATION comes from? Maybe I can help you out here: it comes from SUNLIGHT! (Sheesh!)

So, once again we get back to thes same point: You are saying that the incredibly tiny, puny, miniscule radioation that man can put out with his most powerful radar transmitters, is able to not only compete with, but actually to overwhelm, the entire energy output of the sun absorbed in the ionosphere? Did you REALLY expect anyone to believe you? Rember the kid peeing in the ocean? Do you REALLY expect anyone with a brain to believe your ramblings?

Hoo boy...


The Reynolds camp cannot even get the basic sciences correct. They toss out absolute non-sense. Oh yeah. Right. So look what you just tossed out. :)


Like the total vapidity that Reynolds missed in explaining the issues of Barium and its extremely low photoelectric work function,What issue? All work fucntions assocaited with barium are exactly the same as they have always been. They have not changed. Why do you say that the work function of bairum has changed? BEsides, what exactly does barium have to do with the ionosphere, and what does ANY of this have to do woth contrails?


his other experts can't even get the issues of ionoshere and plasma sciences involving RF energy absorption down.he he he! Nice one! After your recent extrememly convincing demonstration of your total ignorance on this subject, it is refreshingly funny to see you accuse others of not understanding it!

[qoute]They can't even get the basic sciences for plasma physics explained.[/quote]And what exactly does the forth stat of matter have to do with Woodpecker?


Which is extreme evidence of misinformation and bold / blatant attempts to mislead.Coming right after your rather embarssing debacle above, that realy is a hoot!


Misinformation is the name of Reynolds' Con-games. So what is the name of YOUR con game? Whatever you call it, you seem to be having an awful lot of trouble pulling it off, since we debunkers have come along to shine the spotlight of REAL science on it.

Too bad. You might not believe this, but I actually feel sorry for you and your feeble minded attempts to pretend to understand science. How very embarassing it must be for you, to get shown up like this, time after time....

[stuart_allsop]

Greetings,

Perhaps it would be good for S. Allsops to ... Share with us where you went to seminary school and your current religion affiliation.


Ummm.... saywhat? What on earth does my religious affiliation have to do wtih this?

Talk about red herrings and strawmen...

Next thing you know, he'll be asking about what supermarket I prefer to shop at, and what brand of shampoo I prefer!

[Yaak]

Hi All,

It appears that "Hoot" brings up the issues of "The Woodpecker" system from Russia. The woodpecker system seems to be given its name via the chirped RF system used to make deep over horizon RADAR effects via ionosphere reflections. The Amateur Radio operators liked the name of woodpecker because this is how its low interrogator rates sounded on their HF receivers.

The Russians, like the US, use early warning systems to keep vigil on missle launches. It is a low frequency (really termed HF/VHF as compared to typical RADAR microwave methods) "chirped" RADAR system is a low interrogator rate due to the extremely long range. The Woodpecker systems are very real and used by the Russians as part of their national defence against the US via early warning.

The Woodpecker systems effects was one of the models of interest for what became HAARP. The Woodpecker systems use frequency modulation (called chirping in the lingo of RADAR system engineers) to get some reflections off the very variable ionosphere. Some of this energy gets absorbed by the ionoshere based in the plasma characteristics of the ionosphere. The ionosphere heating and the HAARP system cross factors here---as both are HF RF systems.

The Barium technique on ducting is a variant of this type system.

What is interesting is the absolute non-sense from the Reynolds' experts who can't seem to get the idea that the problem is the differential heating of the ionosphere being the prime factor is interest from these RF emissions. They like to play up heating of the Earth's surface, which has nothing to do with the issues of ionosphere heating and weather modification via that factor.

The Reynolds camp cannot even get the basic sciences correct. They toss out absolute non-sense.

Like the total vapidity that Reynolds missed in explaining the issues of Barium and its extremely low photoelectric work function, his other experts can't even get the issues of ionoshere and plasma sciences involving RF energy absorption down.

They can't even get the basic sciences for plasma physics explained. Which is extreme evidence of misinformation and bold / blatant attempts to mislead.

Misinformation is the name of Reynolds' Con-games.

What else is new, just another load of lies from the Reynolds camp of upside down, or in most cases totally missing science. The basic definitive sciences for Reynolds is: Should we expect anything from swine, but grunts? (BTW--I borrowed that little ditty from a Jewish lineage lawyer that likes to sue Oak Ridge and who won one of the largest malpractice judgements in Tennessee legal history.)

Like swine, only the "Reynolds razorback gang" can make feast of such perfiddeous suey, that everyone elses senses reject because of the extreme smell. These piggies love to wallow in very smelly misinformation garbage.

IMHO,
isThe word that came to mind after reading your post, Jimmy, was gibberish. It is obvious to me that you do not know what you are talking about. You have gleaned data from multiple sources and assembled them into an incoherent fusion of babble.

In all fairness, I will give you credit for improved flaming and insulting skills.

[jayreynolds]

Come ON! Give me a BREAK!!! And this is suppsoed to be objective scientific reporting?Shhesh!

As far as the article goes, it looks like the lake's ecosystem has more disruptions than just climate:

Zooplankton levels, which were decimated when opossum shrimp were introduced into the lake in the 1960s to help a flagging Mackinaw trout population, could see a rebirth with warmer surface waters, said Robert Coats, a researcher who was part of the study and who has been analyzing Lake Tahoe since his student days at Berkeley more than 30 years ago.

Who's to say the decimation of a major portion of the food chain within the lake's ecosystem, zooplankton, isn't to blame for water clarity problems, or even water temperature changes?

Zooplankton are the strand in the food chain that consumes phytoplankton(algae,etc).
Phytoplankton get their food from the sun and contain chlorophyll, which color lake water green.
With a major portion of the food chain, zooplankton, decimated by introduction of a predator, of course the water would become green. I would expect green water to absorb more sunlight, the sun DOES shine in Nevada's desert.

Perhaps the same scientists who disrupted the food chain are now trying to pin the blame on outside influences, while ignoring other plausible reasons, including their own actions.

[gaiacomm]

A method of using the earths ionosphere to incinerate selective locations on the planet, coupled by a flawless radio jamming system even blocking NORAD's communications system


GAIACOMM Weapons System REPORT
Applications
· An exciting and challenging aspect of Ionosphere enhancement is its potential to control Ionosphere processes in such a way as to greatly improve the performance of 4G and C 4 I Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence communication systems. A key goal of the program is the identification, investigation of those Ionosphere processes, and phenomena that can be exploited for DOD and Commercial purposes, such as those outlined below.
· Generation of ELF waves in the 1-29 Hz band to provide communications to deeply submerged submarines and for the commercial 4G wireless networks and commercial broadband wireless communications globally.
· Geophysical probing to identify and characterize natural Ionosphere processes that limit the performance of 4G global wireless systems and C 4 I (Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence), so that techniques can be developed to mitigate or control them. Generation of Ionosphere lenses to focus large amounts of HF energy at high altitudes in the ionosphere, thus providing a means for triggering Ionosphere processes that could potentially be exploited for DOD and commercial communications purposes.
· Electron acceleration for the generation of IR and other optical emissions, and to create additional ionization in selected regions of the ionosphere that could be used to control radio wave - propagation properties.
· Generation of geomagnetic-field aligned ionization to control the reflection/scattering properties of radio waves which will result in jamming of unwanted signals, stealthing of data and the focusing of RF signals to localized areas to selectively ignite the surrounding atmosphere which will create a flash burn effect which in turn will incinerate all air to ground living and non living entities. In short, a military weapon of unprecedented proportions with no nuclear radiation generated aftereffects. Using the surrounding atmospheric layers to burn off everything in its path without firing a single shot can be accomplished with this device. Localizing atmospheric area techniques to selected targeted areas can be accomplished with this heating process In short using the Compton effect to alter the air to ground electric charge which is even more effective than EMP during a nuclear blast.
· oblique heating to produce effects on radio wave propagation at great distances from a HF heater thus broadens the potential military applications of Ionosphere enhancement technology and commercial 4G wireless communications.
· Generation of ionization layers below 90 km to provide, radio wave reflectors (mirrors), which can be exploited for long range, over-the-horizon, HF/VHF/UHF surveillance purposes, including the detection of cruise missiles and other low observables in addition the allowance of global broadband access on a wireless network by worldwide consumers, i.e. voice, data, video, email, and all unmentioned forms of data exchange.

[jayreynolds]

Frustrated at my having ignore-listed him on this thread, Raynolds has now resorted to privately spamming me.
Wayne, Ross Gelbspan wrote to both of us and said he wanted no part of "chemtrails", and that he considered your behavior "unethical". I replied to his message selecting it to be sent to "all recipients" with some advice to learn about the "chemtrails" hoax, which you evidently failed to explain to him(wonder why?).
This morning I find an email from you in my inbox, to which I have replied.
You emailed me personally, and in no way can a response to your unsolicited e-mail be considered "spamming". Just to set the record straight, you told me in your email that I had done you a favor.


Of course his e-mails go straight into the 'deleted' file at my private e-mail address also.He claims to be 'watching me like a hawk'.
Well, now we know you are lying about my reply email to you going "straight into the 'deleted' file", Wayne, because you are quoting my exact words from the email, you are revealed as having read it.

I really do hope that my buddy Ross will begin spreading the word about your cult among his circle of friends. You screwed up bigtime, this time, Wayne.

[stuart_allsop]

<<< ooops! Double post. Sorry! >>>

[stuart_allsop]

Generation of ELF waves in the 1-29 Hz band to provide communications to deeply submerged submarines and for the commercial 4G wireless networks and commercial broadband wireless communications globally. And we are just DYING to see how you plan to provide BROADBAND telecoms over a system whose bandwith is limited to just 28 cycles per second.... (Pssst! Hint! You seem to be off base by about 3 or 4 orders of magnitude!, at least) :)


Generation of Ionosphere lenses to focus large amounts of HF energy at high altitudes in the ionosphere, thus providing a means for triggering Ionosphere processes that could potentially be exploited for DOD and commercial communications purposes. ummm... trying to decipher the logic on this one... if you are using the ionosphere as a lens to focus HF energy on something, then how can you focus the HF energy on the ionosphere, which you are already using as a lens? I mean, you are saying that you want to use a lens to focus energy on itslef? Huh! How could you possibly do that?


Electron acceleration for the generation of IR and other optical emissions,Sory, but IR, by defintion, is NOT part of the optical spectrum. IR is commonly termed "heat", not "light", and the huam eye cannot see it.


and to create additional ionization in selected regions of the ionosphere that could be used to control radio wave - propagation properties. Sorry to tell you, but IR energy is nowehere near enough to ionize. You need much higher energies than you can get in the IR spectrum in orer to ionize anything.


Generation of geomagnetic-field aligned ionization to control the reflection/scattering properties of radio waves which will result in jamming of unwanted signals,I hate to point this out, but the ionoshpere is ALREADY geomagnetically aligned, and always has been. That's why you only get aurora at the poles, not at the equator. Even a high school physics student could tell you this, just by looking at basic electromagnetic theory!


stealthing of dataWhat exactly is "stealthing of data", and how on earth would you accomplish it from the ionospehre using a 28 Hz signal? (You do seem to be wading out deeper and deeper in your trash. I sure hope you can swim!)


and the focusing of RF signals to localized areas to selectively ignite the surrounding atmosphere "ignite the atmosphere" Hoo boy! He he he he!!! Nice try. You cannot "ignite the atmosphere" for one very simple reason: It contains no fuel! It has plenty of oxidant, but zero fuel. So how do you plan to set on fire something that is incombustible?


In short, a military weapon of unprecedented proportions with no nuclear radiation generated aftereffects.what on EARTH are you talking about? You don't even make sense gramatically, let alon scientifically!


Localizing atmospheric area techniques to selected targeted areas can be accomplished with this heating process In short using the Compton effect to alter the air to ground electric charge which is even more effective than EMP during a nuclear blast.Say what? Compton scattering only occurs in very high energy radiation, way up there in the X-ray band. Not IR, not optical, not UV, but way up higher, in the X-Ray spectrum. But you are talking here about infrared radiation, and also about a 28 Hz RF carrier. SO HOW IN HELL CAN YOU CLAIM THAT COMPTON SCATTERING WOULD BE AT WORK???? Please explain the physics that allows Compton scattering to occur at any energy levels much below 0.5 MeV.

In any event, you clearly don't even understand what the Compton effect is! It has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ALTERING ELECTRIC CHARGES! It is simply the increase in wavelength observed when X-Rays interact with solid matter.

Oops!

Looks like you just totally blew your credibility. Again.

Your techno-babble is even worse than before, Judah. You need to brush up on faking it better. Even primary schoo kids can see through it now.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

Rather interesting citations. Here is a little test for you.

Define the term "Debye Radius."

imho,
is

[jayreynolds]

My position is that the best way to prevent this thread being taken over by trolls is to maintain it as a notice-board for news on climate change.

Bull, your position has been that since you were defeated in debate during the first dozen pages, that your opponents needed to be banned.
That failed.

Next, you tried making the thread as boring as possible, posting foreign text spam and postings far off topic.
That failed.

Since then, you have failed to persuade evryone else(except yourself!) to activate the 'ignore=list' and put their heads in the sand.
That hasn't worked, either, Wayne.

Most of us are Americans, and we don't take well to being bossed around by effete impudent foreign snobs like you.


I can't read what if anything Raynolds and company have to say about this. I can read what people on 'our side' say.

Wayne, when you respond to our posts, it is obvious that you are reading them, and reading them all. The idea that a political whore like you would deliberately shut himself out from reading what others are saying is absurd to the extreme.

Nobody believes you, because you demonstrate otherwise by your actions.

Wayne, I'm beginning to develop a clear picture of your childhood. I'm seeing a child deprived of much interaction, especially with other children, yet exposed to the machinations of immoral adults. I'm seeing a child probably sent away to boarding school to meld with other spoiled little emperor's children.. I'm seeing a young person who had grown up expecting certain privileges watching those fade away and face the reality of dealing with the real wolrd, all alone, and rather unprepared.

Not much I can do about any of that, Wayne, except to keep calling you out to receive the lessons you missed, till you get it right.

Today's lesson: Those things that are forbidden become wanted even more.

[foot_soldier]

December 24, 2004
Energy Companies Help Lift Inaugural Fund to $8 Million
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/politics/24donate.html?oref=login&pagewanted=all

WASHINGTON, Dec. 23 - Drawing support from the energy industry and other longtime backers of President Bush, the Presidential Inaugural Committee has raised almost $8 million since it began gathering money this month, according to a list it released Thursday.

ExxonMobil, the Occidental Petroleum Corporation, ChevronTexaco and the Southern Company were among more than 20 donors to give the maximum $250,000, which entitles executives to attend the ceremonies, black-tie balls and events with the president. Many others gave smaller amounts in return for fewer perks, like the $100,000 contributed by the military contractors Boeing and Northrop Grumman.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee is seeking to raise as much as $40 million to kick off Mr. Bush's second term, with multiple events leading up to the Jan. 20 swearing-in, and has spent much of December soliciting donors across the country, despite the holidays and the exhaustion brought by an election that raised record amounts.

"There is some donor fatigue," said Brad Freeman, a longtime Bush supporter and fund-raiser who is a co-chairman of the committee. "But they have had a nice rest."

So far, the roster of donors is thick with people and companies loyal to Mr. Bush and the Republican Party, and fund-raisers expect it to grow substantially.

For corporations, the inauguration represents a rare opportunity to write large checks. Though companies are forbidden to contribute directly to candidates or political parties during an election, campaign finance laws do not restrict them from donating to events like political conventions or inaugurations. Roughly half the 52 contributors identified so far are companies, including well-known names like International Paper, Union Pacific and Qualcomm.

Several donors are individuals who also played a major role in this year's election. For example, T. Boone Pickens, a Texas oilman who contributed $250,000 for the inauguration, had given a total of about $5.5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund and Swift Vets and P.O.W.'s for Truth, two groups that supported Mr. Bush.

Ameriquest Capital Corporation also gave $250,000 to the inauguration. Dawn Arnall, who is co-chairwoman of the company along with her husband, Roland Arnall, gave $5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund this year. The two were also $200,000 "ranger" fund-raisers for Mr. Bush's campaign.

Another $250,000 donor for the inauguration is Richard Kinder, a former president of the Enron Corporation, who is now chief executive of the Kinder Morgan energy transportation companies. His wife, Nancy Kinder, was a ranger fund-raiser for Mr. Bush and both are members of the inauguration's finance committee..... (continued)

[jayreynolds]

So, Deborah, how does it feel to see your guy Wayne get the smackdown from My Buddy Ross Gelbspan?

Are you in the least ashamed to hear about what happened when Wayne got caught misquoting him?

What was your own personal involvement in all this brou-ha-ha? Were you aware of this petition that Ross had rejected? Sure you were.

Did you realize Wayne had selectively chopped out parts of Ross's email to give the appearance that he was "in your camp", when in fact he was not? Yes, you knew what had been done.

WHAT COULD YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THINKING?

Did you really think nobody would bother to check things out with Ross Gelbspan, or that he wouldn't care having his name connected with a hoax? If this is the sum total of your people's intellectual and moral capacity, is it any wonder your hoax is in decline?

Your people have all gone into hiding, and all you can do now is to occasionally emerge to tell an obvious lie which gets smacked down only a few hours later?

In 2000, I predicted on the chemtrailcentral forum that it would all be over in five years.
It's looking more and more like my prediction is coming true.

[gaiacomm]

And we are just DYING to see how you plan to provide BROADBAND telecoms over a system whose bandwith is limited to just 28 cycles per second.... (Pssst! Hint! You seem to be off base by about 3 or 4 orders of magnitude!, at least) :)

ummm... trying to decipher the logic on this one... if you are using the ionosphere as a lens to focus HF energy on something, then how can you focus the HF energy on the ionosphere, which you are already using as a lens? I mean, you are saying that you want to use a lens to focus energy on itslef? Huh! How could you possibly do that?

Sory, but IR, by defintion, is NOT part of the optical spectrum. IR is commonly termed "heat", not "light", and the huam eye cannot see it.

Sorry to tell you, but IR energy is nowehere near enough to ionize. You need much higher energies than you can get in the IR spectrum in orer to ionize anything.

I hate to point this out, but the ionoshpere is ALREADY geomagnetically aligned, and always has been. That's why you only get aurora at the poles, not at the equator. Even a high school physics student could tell you this, just by looking at basic electromagnetic theory!

What exactly is "stealthing of data", and how on earth would you accomplish it from the ionospehre using a 28 Hz signal? (You do seem to be wading out deeper and deeper in your trash. I sure hope you can swim!)

"ignite the atmosphere" Hoo boy! He he he he!!! Nice try. You cannot "ignite the atmosphere" for one very simple reason: It contains no fuel! It has plenty of oxidant, but zero fuel. So how do you plan to set on fire something that is incombustible?

what on EARTH are you talking about? You don't even make sense gramatically, let alon scientifically!

Say what? Compton scattering only occurs in very high energy radiation, way up there in the X-ray band. Not IR, not optical, not UV, but way up higher, in the X-Ray spectrum. But you are talking here about infrared radiation, and also about a 28 Hz RF carrier. SO HOW IN HELL CAN YOU CLAIM THAT COMPTON SCATTERING WOULD BE AT WORK???? Please explain the physics that allows Compton scattering to occur at any energy levels much below 0.5 MeV.

In any event, you clearly don't even understand what the Compton effect is! It has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ALTERING ELECTRIC CHARGES! It is simply the increase in wavelength observed when X-Rays interact with solid matter.

Oops!

Looks like you just totally blew your credibility. Again.

Your techno-babble is even worse than before, Judah. You need to brush up on faking it better. Even primary schoo kids can see through it now.


You have your opinion and it will be noted. I suggest you continue reviewing the website for updates. www.gaiacomminternational.com

As for answering your questions...well I am not sure your background and experience would allow for understanding of the governing dynamics of the science.


Hint: The magnetic field of the earth is the waveguide!

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

Rather interesting citations. Here is a little test for you.

Define the term "Debye Radius."

imho,
is
It is a measurement corresponding to the electron density at half the mean
distance between the dust particles and the Plasma that is being measured!

[gaiacomm]

JR and company must not be having Christmas at his house because of the thought and time in his posts. Ah but next week back to work!

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

Rather interesting citations. Here is a little test for you.

Define the term "Debye Radius."

imho,
is


I have one for you: Why does the Earth revolve around the Sun?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I have one for you: Why does the Earth revolve around the Sun?
=====
The mass of the Sun is much greater than the Earth, so it becomes the defining locus.

Plus a little bit a the nature of the universe.

[gaiacomm]

I have one for you: Why does the Earth revolve around the Sun?
=====
The mass of the Sun is much greater than the Earth, so it becomes the defining locus.

Plus a little bit a the nature of the universe.


Ok, and then?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ok, and then?
===
I don't have a clue. What are ya going for?

[Yaak]

Merry Christmas to every one of you. May each of you know the real meaning of Christmas. I wish you a new year that is rich with truth and knowledge.

Ed Snell

[stuart_allsop]

You have your opinion and it will be noted.

Aww gee, what a let down! Is that REALLY the best you can come up with? Pretty lame, if you ask me...

I mean, I just took a long time to prepare a response that totally, completely, thoroughly and undeniably wipes out your post, pointing out numerous GLARING technical errors which prove beyind any doubt that you don;t have a clue what youa re talking about, and the very best response you can come back with is "you have your opinion"? I hate to tell you, Judah, but none of what I wrote is opinion. It is established, concrete, undeniable scientific FACT. Something that you clearly are not abnle to recognize.


I suggest you continue reviewing the website for updates. Oh, I now where it is, and I've reviewed it before... and come to the same conclusion as above: You don't know what you are talking about. You throw together a whole bunch of complex-sounding technical terms that are almost related, mix in some inuendo and NWO trash, add a pinch of intrigue, then try to pretend that it is a "paper". When in fact that kind of paper usually comes on rolls that you hang in the bathroom.


As for answering your questions...well I am not sure your background and experience would allow for understanding of the governing dynamics of the science. BWaaaa ha ha ah hahha hahhahah ahahah!!!! Nice one! I just spent many minutes proving to you that I understand physics extremely well, way beyond the vague glimmerings that you try to fake, and you come back with a comment like that? That is RICH! It really is!


Hint: The magnetic field of the earth is the waveguide!Whooops! There you go again, putting your foot in it! You areally are determined to exhibt your ingonarance of electrmagnetic theory, aern't you?

Tell you what, why don''t you do the calculations for us, and tell us what frequency the Earth would make a good waveguide for, then explain to us how you plan to couple a man-made exciter to a waveguide the size of the earth... in fact, while you are at it, calculate the huge impedence mismatch that you would have between the largest conceivable esxciter that you can come up with, and the Earth.

Why don't you just save yourself the embarrasment, and admit that you just got yourself so thoroughly debunked that it left your head spinning?

(PS. You might want to reconsider your invitation for me to debunk your web site... I've deon it before in bits and pieces, but if you carry on like this, you'll force me to bring it all together here, and REALLY tear into it.)

[stuart_allsop]

It is a measurement corresponding to the electron density at half the mean distance between the dust particles and the Plasma that is being measured!Wrong. Try again.

[stuart_allsop]

I have one for you: Why does the Earth revolve around the Sun?Let me guess: It's a secret plot by the NWO to kill everyone on the planet, and George Bush is to blame.

Is that close?

[stuart_allsop]

I have one for you: Why does the Earth revolve around the Sun?

Actually, according to General Relativity, the Earth does not revolve around the Sun. That is only an illusion from our perspective, but in reality the Earth and Sun spiral around each other in an eternal elongated helix... but only for some points of view. From yet other points of view, they don't move at all, and are permanently frozen at a fixed distance from each other.

But if you want to know the REAL answer, it;s because God did it. :)

[halva]

There is a lot of chat going on here, as I can glean from the non-ignore-listed postings that get through to me.

So, since it is Christmas today, this will be my one-and-only Christmas message: a Happy chatty on-line Christmas to you all, but particularly debunkers, who do not deserve to have anything else to do on this day other than argue with each other at the forum of the pluralistic
liberal Arianna, whose indifference gives them the space they need to convince themselves that they exist.

[gaiacomm]

Ok, and then?
===
I don't have a clue. What are ya going for?


Why does the earth revolve around the Sun?

Hint: In your own words of what you understand.

[gaiacomm]

Actually, according to General Relativity, the Earth does not revolve around the Sun. That is only an illusion from our perspective, but in reality the Earth and Sun spiral around each other in an eternal elongated helix... but only for some points of view. From yet other points of view, they don't move at all, and are permanently frozen at a fixed distance from each other.

But if you want to know the REAL answer, it;s because God did it. :)


Good answer!

[gaiacomm]

Wrong. Try again.


http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/DebyeLength.html

[gaiacomm]

Aww gee, what a let down! Is that REALLY the best you can come up with? Pretty lame, if you ask me...

I mean, I just took a long time to prepare a response that totally, completely, thoroughly and undeniably wipes out your post, pointing out numerous GLARING technical errors which prove beyind any doubt that you don;t have a clue what youa re talking about, and the very best response you can come back with is "you have your opinion"? I hate to tell you, Judah, but none of what I wrote is opinion. It is established, concrete, undeniable scientific FACT. Something that you clearly are not abnle to recognize.

Oh, I now where it is, and I've reviewed it before... and come to the same conclusion as above: You don't know what you are talking about. You throw together a whole bunch of complex-sounding technical terms that are almost related, mix in some inuendo and NWO trash, add a pinch of intrigue, then try to pretend that it is a "paper". When in fact that kind of paper usually comes on rolls that you hang in the bathroom.

BWaaaa ha ha ah hahha hahhahah ahahah!!!! Nice one! I just spent many minutes proving to you that I understand physics extremely well, way beyond the vague glimmerings that you try to fake, and you come back with a comment like that? That is RICH! It really is!

Whooops! There you go again, putting your foot in it! You areally are determined to exhibt your ingonarance of electrmagnetic theory, aern't you?

Tell you what, why don''t you do the calculations for us, and tell us what frequency the Earth would make a good waveguide for, then explain to us how you plan to couple a man-made exciter to a waveguide the size of the earth... in fact, while you are at it, calculate the huge impedence mismatch that you would have between the largest conceivable esxciter that you can come up with, and the Earth.

Why don't you just save yourself the embarrasment, and admit that you just got yourself so thoroughly debunked that it left your head spinning?

(PS. You might want to reconsider your invitation for me to debunk your web site... I've deon it before in bits and pieces, but if you carry on like this, you'll force me to bring it all together here, and REALLY tear into it.)



I find that attempting to explain to you what I know and understand of the world of Physics will only lead to more discord and missunderstanding. You will continue to react to my answers with the heart and mind of a skeptic. In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing.

Ego will only get in the way of your reasoning skills. By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".

The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have.

You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.

So if you wish to prove the claims are without merit then be my guest and lets see your
equations with dissertation in your own words.

I encourage you to continue to challenge that is how you will learn.

[gaiacomm]

Have fun with this:

http://www.vlf.it/thierry/waveguide_propagation.html

[gaiacomm]

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

And may your New Year bring you Joy and Love!

[foot_soldier]

Nothing new here. But this is a current article on the matter of industry deception and industry-funded distortion of science and it is relatively new to see in-depth reporting on this issue in the mainstream media:

December 25, 2004
Web site's agenda can be veiled by name
Pollution: An industry sponsor might be behind that reassuring message
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.perchlorate25dec25,1,7694436.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

When the news broke recently about federal researchers discovering a rocket fuel chemical in milk sold in Maryland and elsewhere, readers searching the Web sites of The Sun and other newspapers for information about perchlorate were directed to another site, called the "Truth About Perchlorate."

This Web site, with its prominently placed link paid for by a group called the Council on Water Quality, reassured readers that the low levels of the pollutant found by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration "have no measurable effect on the body."

Regardless of whether that is true, the Council on Water Quality is not an environmental or scientific group. It's part of a public relations campaign by the nation's largest military contractor, Bethesda-based Lockheed Martin, and manufacturers of perchlorate, which are trying to minimize their costs to remove the pollutant from public water supplies.

Some environmentalists say the Council on Water Quality is one of a growing number of groups with misleading names - such as the Foundation for Clean Air Progress and the Annapolis Center for Science Based Public Policy - that use spin and industry-funded studies to twist public opinion and subvert government regulation.

"A lot of these groups sound like they're backed by Ralph Nader, but they're not consumer groups; they're actually fronts for corporations such as the drug and restaurant industries," said Jeff Cronin, spokesman for the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington-based nonprofit that receives no corporate money.

Representatives of industry-funded groups say they are providing a public service by distributing accurate information to counter propaganda by leftist ideologues and trial lawyers.

"Our whole purpose is public education," said James Strock, a spokesman for the Council on Water Quality. "As the government moves toward regulation in this area, we just want to make sure the best possible science is applied."

Thomas Roskelly, spokesman for the Annapolis Center for Science Based Public Policy, an industry-funded nonprofit group, said some environmentalists put out alarmist misinformation that needs to be corrected.

His group receives some of its money from energy companies that own coal-fired power plants facing huge costs to reduce mercury pollution. The center's news releases play down the risks of eating mercury in fish, among other subjects.

"A little mercury in the water isn't all that bad; a little arsenic isn't all that bad. It's the dose that matters. ... Is industry interested in these positions? You bet they are. But the general public is interested too, because the solutions will cost taxpayers a heck of a lot of money," Roskelly said.

The effects on human health, if any, of the perchlorate reported in milk and lettuce by the FDA last month are a subject of intense debate. Some researchers say enough of it could cause thyroid malfunction and brain damage in children; others say it's harmless.

Perchlorate is a chemical that was widely used in rocket fuel and explosives during the Cold War by Lockheed Martin and the military. Large amounts of it were often dumped onto the ground, where it seeped into municipal water supplies, lettuce farms and pastures that fed dairy cows, said Bill Walker, a vice president of the Environmental Working Group, which has been studying the issue.

The National Academy of Sciences is expected to issue a report next month on whether the chemical poses a health hazard.

Local governments in California, Maryland, Massachusetts and more than a dozen other states have closed hundreds of public wells in which trace amounts of it were found.

In Maryland, Aberdeen shut four municipal wells in April 2003 because perchlorate used in Army explosives at Aberdeen Proving Ground had seeped into public drinking water.

Advocates for the defense industry say Lockheed has done nothing deceptive by funding the public relations campaign. But when people open the Council On Water Quality Web site, there's nothing to indicate that it's connected to perchlorate makers and users.

When visitors click on the "about us" tab on the site, they learn that the council is supported by Lockheed, Aerojet, Kerr-McGee Chemical, the American Pacific Corp. and other members of the "Perchlorate Study Group."

But the Web site does not say that Lockheed and Aerojet, another defense contractor that makes missiles, are major users of the rocket fuel additive and that both are fighting lawsuits over perchlorate contamination in water supplies. The site also does not say that Kerr-McGee and American Pacific are past and current manufacturers of the chemical..... (continued)

[foot_soldier]

December 25, 2004
Web site's agenda can be veiled by name
Pollution: An industry sponsor might be behind that reassuring message

Continued from above...

"I don't believe that it's misleading in any way," said Gail Rymer, a spokeswoman for Lockheed Martin. "It is disclosed on the Web site that this is an industry consortium, and this is a normal practice among industry."

Rymer said the company has a responsibility to help publicly dispute assertions by activists that low levels of perchlorate in water cause heath problems.

"By doing research, we have been able to determine there is not any adverse health effects from this chemical ... and it's important that people have access to this information," Rymer said.

The California Environmental Protection Agency disagrees, saying in a recent report: "Perchlorate is becoming a serious threat to human health and water resources."

Since 1997, Lockheed has spent $80 million conducting studies and cleaning and replacing contaminated municipal water systems around Redlands and Riverside, Calif., near where the company made missiles from 1961 to 1974, Rymer said.

The company expects to pay perhaps $180 million more over the next 20 years cleaning up perchlorate and other chemicals that seeped into underground water supplies, Rymer said.

The company could pay much more if the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency adopts a proposed standard of one part per billion, or less if the EPA adopts a standard closer to the 200 parts per billion suggested by the Pentagon, Rymer said.

While the National Academy of Sciences and the EPA consider what a national standard should be, California has suggested a goal of no more than six parts per billion in water, and Maryland and Massachusetts suggest no more than one part per billion.

Milk sampled by the FDA in Maryland averaged about eight parts per billion perchlorate.

Gary Praglin, an attorney representing a group of about 400 people in the Redlands area that is suing Lockheed over thyroid disease, cancer and other health problems that they claim were caused by drinking contaminated water, said the Council on Water Quality is a part of a deceptive multimillion-dollar strategy to influence public opinion and skew science.

"The Council On Water Quality is a complete and total fraud," said Praglin, of the firm Engstrom, Lipscomb & Lack in Los Angeles.

He said two scientists on the 15-member National Academy of Sciences panel studying perchlorate, Richard Bull and Charles Capen, have been paid to do research by Lockheed Martin or its surrogates. Bull resigned from the panel in June, but Capen remains.

Bill Skane, a spokesman for the National Academy of Sciences, said it wouldn't make sense for the panel to disqualify anyone who had performed research for Lockheed.

"It seems that some environmentalists think that to be pure enough, a scientist can't have done any work for the industry," said Skane. "But we need people who know something. It's always a balancing act."

[stuart_allsop]

I find that attempting to explain to you what I know and understand of the world of Physics will only lead to more discord and missunderstanding. You will continue to react to my answers with the heart and mind of a skeptic. In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing.

Ego will only get in the way of your reasoning skills. By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".

The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have.

You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.

So if you wish to prove the claims are without merit then be my guest and lets see your
equations with dissertation in your own words.

I encourage you to continue to challenge that is how you will learn.WEll, that's exactly what I thought you would reply, and demonstrates the precise truth: You really do NOT know what you are talking about. I think it is crystal clear to everyone following here that you have now refused to defend your outrageous calims, twice in a row, and have very carefully (but unsuccsfully) tried to slither away from doing so, while also trying to save face with your transparent comments.

Just five comments here, to make certain that everyone understandw how devious you are:

1) " In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing. ". Wrong. You claim to be a scientist. You published a so-called scientific "paper" on this board. The reason why scientists publish their papers is for one reason only: peer review. I just did a peer review of your paper, pointing out numerous grave problems with it. A true scientist would have thanked me, and either defended each point with proof, or corrected the errors, or withdrawn his paper for editing. You did none of these. Therefore you are not a scientist. Since YOU made the claim, and YOU published the paper here you DO owe us. As any scientists knows, when you publish a paper, the onus is on YOU to defend it and correct it. It is your OBLIGATION to do so. The very fact that you have TWICE declined to do so, is clear concrete proof that you are not what you claim to be, and that your "paper" is worthless techno-babble pseudo-science trash.

2) "By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. . I'd LOVE to do discuss Maxwell and his equations with you! When do we start? But first you will need to convince me that you do, in fact, understand Maxwell's equations well enough to be able to debate them. Based on your "paper, your web site, and your comments to date", it is extremely likely that you don't have the foggiest notion of what Maxwell's equations are all about, so I will insist that you furst demonstrate coplete understanding of Maxwell's equations. To prove that you do in fact understand the issues, would you please be so kind as to explain the relationship between Maxwell's equations, Quantum thermodynamis, and General Relativity. No deep detail required. Just something basic, in your own words, to show that you do grasp the underlying principles and concepts.

3) "This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".". Really? Is that what you were doing and planning to do? Post your "PRETEND" physics paper, then planning to "RUN AND HIDE" once challenged to defend it? To be honest, I';m sure that is EXACTLY what you were planning to do. But what very CURIOUS behaviour THAT is, for a scientist! (And also a rather obvious cop out.) First time in history that a scientest publishs a paper that he himslef admits to only being a "pretend" paper, then tries to run and hide to AVOID defending it!

4) "The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have." Well, I DID warn you that you probably would not want me to do an analysis of Gaiacomm again, but since you didn't heed the fair warning, I guess you feel entirely comfortable with the exposure I am about to give you. Exposure in multiple senses of the word...

Before we start with the technical issues, let's look at the company itself, shall we?

4A) How come your corporation has no commercial street address, and apparently works out of a post box?
4B) How come that, after nearly six years in busines, the company has not one single product or service to sell?
4C) How come there have been no advances at all over the last 6 years? How come your web site reads the same today as it did years ago?
4D) How come the job history of the managemnet team is not mentioned, apart from claims that they have "extensive" experience in "myriad" previous companies? Are all of these peopel ashamed of their previous jobs?
4E) How come none of the management team mention their academic history? I mean, several of them claim degrees, but none of them mention the name of the University from which they graduated, the year, etc.
4F) Speaking of jobs, how many people does "Gaiacomm International" employ at present? I mean full time, salaried staff, not those board memebers, advisors, etc. that you list. The reason I ask is because of your web site's grandiose claim that you would be having a "a significant impact on the Jacksonville labor force, creating local employment opportunities for engineers of many disciplines, as well as abundant job opportunities for other non-engineering support positions, including many in high-tech, management and administrative fields." Jacksonville is a big place, with LOTS of people, so in order to make a "significant impact" on the job market, I guess you employ many thousands of people by now, right? And all of you work in that tiny little PO Box?


5). You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.The manner has nothing to do with it. That is a cop out, a desperate attempt to avoind being forced to asnwer that which you cannot answer. My intent is not selfish: my intent is to expose your "paper" for the fraud it is. There is nothing selfish about it. What was YOUR intent in publishing it?

I AM seeking answers: I want answers to the questions I posed to you, because your claims are false, and the only way you can prove them true is to aswer those questions.

However, since you have REFUSED to answer those questions, twice, when given ample opportunity, you have PROVED that your claims are false. You will not answer them because you CANNOT answer them. There is no answer that you could possibly give without revealing that your paper is, in fact, a scam.

[Yaak]

Excerpts:



The California Environmental Protection Agency disagrees, saying in a recent report: "Perchlorate is becoming a serious threat to human health and water resources."


While the National Academy of Sciences and the EPA consider what a national standard should be, California has suggested a goal of no more than six parts per billion in water, and Maryland and Massachusetts suggest no more than one part per billion.


Milk sampled by the FDA in Maryland averaged about eight parts per billion perchlorate.


Gary Praglin, an attorney representing a group of about 400 people in the Redlands area that is suing Lockheed over thyroid disease, cancer and other health problems that they claim were caused by drinking contaminated water, said the Council on Water Quality is a part of a deceptive multimillion-dollar strategy to influence public opinion and skew science.
Perchlorate pollution is very serious, Deborah. Is anybody besides me reading your posts on this forum? I certainly hope not, because if they are, then they are likely to, by association, assume that your posts are B.S. just like Wayne Hall's, Jim Phelps' and gaiacomm's. Is that your intention? Are you working for the pharmaceutical / petro-chemical / military / industrial complex? I wonder.

First you post at Cliff Carnicom’s Chem Kook Consortium and now here, effectively discrediting all information by association. I am grateful for the research that you do, but if you truly do mean well, then please find a venue in which to present it that is not inhabited by charlatans, liars, politicians, pseudo scientists and lunatics.
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[foot_soldier]

Polar bears in Canada have to be tranquillized then airlifted north in order to access their natural habitat as the snow is returning later and later after the summer months.

[stuart_allsop]

Unresolvable Technical Issues with Gaiacomm's claims.

According to the Gaiacomm web site, Dr. Judah Ben Hur delivered a hypothetical presentation to some unamned hypothetical people at an unamed hyptheritcal event in Las vegas a coupld of years back. In that presentation, he claims to have said the following regarding the resonant cavity between teh Earth's surfafce and the ionoshpere.:

The upper frequency limit of the wave-guide channel is determined by the depressive properties of the ionosphere, which eventually becomes transparent as the frequency is increased at a few megahertz.

There is no lower frequency limit or higher frequency limit. he earth ionosphere wave-guide can support the propagation of radio waves of frequencies as low or as high as desired,

The glaring error is impossible to miss. Firstly Judah says that the ionoshpere becomes transparent to radio waves for all frequencies beyond a few megahertz, then in the very next sentence he says that there is NO upper frequency for the cavity to remain resonant! Oops! Obviously, since the ionosphere is transparent to higher frequencies, then it CANNOT act as a waveguide wall to retain the RF energy, and thus the resonance is lost (as is the signal). At anything above a few MHz., the energy escapes out through the ionoshpere, and is GONE forever ...

So that statement by "Dr." Judah is just plain trash. There IS a limit to the fequency at which radio waves can be contained, and that frequency is just a few MHz. Gaiacomm's "technology" is founded on a lie.

Ooops! Dr .J.! Really! Tsk tsk tsk.. How could you make such a glaring error.? :)

(... more coming ... watch this space!)

[halva]

Alternative Energy Gets Real
Pricey oil and gas are heating up industrial interest in renewable sources By John Carey

Updated: 11:00 a.m. ET Dec. 24, 2004Renewable energy is booming. The use of solar power has been growing by more than 30% a year and, except for a hiccup in 2004 -- when Congress delayed renewing a tax credit -- so has wind power. Ethanol is heading for record production levels. And there's no end in sight, given high oil and gas prices, an increasing number of government mandates and incentives, and the first real steps toward tackling global warming. Clean Edge Inc., a research and strategy consultant, predicts that the total clean-energy market will grow to $92 billion by 2013, about seven times its current size of $13 billion. "The investment community is starting to see real opportunities," says Ron Pernick, co-founder of Clean Edge.

But buyer beware: Many of the leading companies supplying the technology to produce renewable energy still aren't profitable. Often the pros are divided on just which are the leading companies. In fact, today's renewable business is reminiscent of the computer industry in the early 1980s, "when no one knew who the winners would be," says Carsten Henningsen, chairman of Portfolio 21, a mutual fund that invests in environmentally conscious companies. That's why many analysts and fund managers recommend investing in a basket of companies. "People should try to pick companies positioned to be winners and get enough of them," says Henningsen.

Wind might produce the biggest winners. A U.S. tax credit of 1.8 cents per kilowatt-hour is in place until 2006, and 19 states now require electricity producers to generate part of their power from green sources. Energy information and services company Platts, like BusinessWeek part of The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP), expects that most of the new sources will be wind. One beneficiary could be Denmark's Vestas Wind Systems, the world's biggest turbine manufacturer, which is listed in Copenhagen and trades over the counter in the U.S. "It is profitable, and there is more certainty and a more favorable political climate surrounding wind than solar or hydrogen," says Henningsen.

Fuel-cell companies are also catching the eye of investors. Their stocks are way down from the speculative peaks of a few years ago, but their products are finally becoming a compelling alternative to diesel-powered backup generators, says Walter Nasdeo, managing director of New York-based Ardour Capital Investments LLC. And they hold the promise of clean, efficient, hydrogen-powered cars, provided costs come down. Nasdeo is bullish on FuelCell Energy Inc., which he expects to reach $17.50 in a year, from $8.45 now.

A buy-and-hold strategy combined with some selective trading may be the best strategy for cashing in on the alternative-energy boom. "If [FuelCell Energy] goes to $14 or $15, you should take a little profit, then wait until [it] pulls back and buy some more," says Nasdeo. Eventually, he expects one of the renewable energy stocks to hit it big. In addition to FuelCell Energy, Nasdeo sees potential in Evergreen Solar (ESLR), which makes solar cells; American Superconductor (AMSC), which makes highly efficient superconducting wire and power-regulation devices; and two other fuel-cell makers, Hydrogenics (HYGS) and Plug Power (PLUG).

Portfolio 21's Henningsen also sees opportunities now to buy companies with beaten-down stocks. His own holdings: Vestas; fuel-cell makers Ballard Power Systems and Plug Power; and IMPCO Technologies (IMCO), which focuses on devices for car engines that use alternative fuels. After a fall for these stocks in 2004, "now may be the time to buy," he says.

If investors don't have the time or stomach to juggle a portfolio of individual stocks, they could buy into a fund that specializes in renewable-energy stocks. An interesting choice is the WilderHill Clean Energy Index, set to debut in early 2005. It's the brainchild of Robert J. Wilder, who put together an index of clean energy stocks five years ago as a hobby. It now includes everything from fuel-cell companies to suppliers of carbon fiber for turbine blades and makers of hydrogen. The index soared during the tech boom, plunged, and is now up 26% since August. "There are about 40 representative stocks -- and any one of them might do well," says Wilder. In other words, with a big enough basket, renewable energy could charge up any portfolio.

Copyright © 2004 The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. All rights reserved.

[foot_soldier]

Generating Solutions: How Clean, Renewable Energy Is Boosting Local Economies And Saving Consumers Money

U.S. PIRG Education Fund
April 2003
http://www.newenergyfuture.com/newenergy.asp?id2=9634

Excerpt:

.....Renewable energy also is the best economic choice. Increasing investment in renewable energy and energy efficiency programs will boost local economies and save consumers money, all while protecting the environment. Renewable energy sources also are "homegrown" energy sources that keep money spent on energy in the local economy. Several studies have shown that investment in renewable energy creates more jobs than business-as-usual and sparks economic development in local—particularly rural—economies by generating new sources of revenue for landowners, school districts and local government. In addition, diversifying the electricity mix to include renewable energy shields consumers from price spikes in the volatile fossil fuels market.

Because of the dramatically improved economics of renewable energy, state governments, municipalities, businesses, farmers, ranchers, and individuals across the country are embracing renewable energy as a way to boost the economy and save money while protecting the environment. Many states, most recently New Mexico, have implemented a renewable energy standard to mandate new electricity generation from renewable sources. Often the testing grounds for innovative policy, states will remain critical in increasing renewable energy generation; however, to ensure that all Americans can enjoy the benefits of clean, renewable energy, we also need national standards.....

[gaiacomm]

WEll, that's exactly what I thought you would reply, and demonstrates the precise truth: You really do NOT know what you are talking about. I think it is crystal clear to everyone following here that you have now refused to defend your outrageous calims, twice in a row, and have very carefully (but unsuccsfully) tried to slither away from doing so, while also trying to save face with your transparent comments.

Just five comments here, to make certain that everyone understandw how devious you are:

1) " In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing. ". Wrong. You claim to be a scientist. You published a so-called scientific "paper" on this board. The reason why scientists publish their papers is for one reason only: peer review. I just did a peer review of your paper, pointing out numerous grave problems with it. A true scientist would have thanked me, and either defended each point with proof, or corrected the errors, or withdrawn his paper for editing. You did none of these. Therefore you are not a scientist. Since YOU made the claim, and YOU published the paper here you DO owe us. As any scientists knows, when you publish a paper, the onus is on YOU to defend it and correct it. It is your OBLIGATION to do so. The very fact that you have TWICE declined to do so, is clear concrete proof that you are not what you claim to be, and that your "paper" is worthless techno-babble pseudo-science trash.

2) "By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. . I'd LOVE to do discuss Maxwell and his equations with you! When do we start? But first you will need to convince me that you do, in fact, understand Maxwell's equations well enough to be able to debate them. Based on your "paper, your web site, and your comments to date", it is extremely likely that you don't have the foggiest notion of what Maxwell's equations are all about, so I will insist that you furst demonstrate coplete understanding of Maxwell's equations. To prove that you do in fact understand the issues, would you please be so kind as to explain the relationship between Maxwell's equations, Quantum thermodynamis, and General Relativity. No deep detail required. Just something basic, in your own words, to show that you do grasp the underlying principles and concepts.

3) "This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".". Really? Is that what you were doing and planning to do? Post your "PRETEND" physics paper, then planning to "RUN AND HIDE" once challenged to defend it? To be honest, I';m sure that is EXACTLY what you were planning to do. But what very CURIOUS behaviour THAT is, for a scientist! (And also a rather obvious cop out.) First time in history that a scientest publishs a paper that he himslef admits to only being a "pretend" paper, then tries to run and hide to AVOID defending it!

4) "The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have." Well, I DID warn you that you probably would not want me to do an analysis of Gaiacomm again, but since you didn't heed the fair warning, I guess you feel entirely comfortable with the exposure I am about to give you. Exposure in multiple senses of the word...

Before we start with the technical issues, let's look at the company itself, shall we?

4A) How come your corporation has no commercial street address, and apparently works out of a post box?
4B) How come that, after nearly six years in busines, the company has not one single product or service to sell?
4C) How come there have been no advances at all over the last 6 years? How come your web site reads the same today as it did years ago?
4D) How come the job history of the managemnet team is not mentioned, apart from claims that they have "extensive" experience in "myriad" previous companies? Are all of these peopel ashamed of their previous jobs?
4E) How come none of the management team mention their academic history? I mean, several of them claim degrees, but none of them mention the name of the University from which they graduated, the year, etc.
4F) Speaking of jobs, how many people does "Gaiacomm International" employ at present? I mean full time, salaried staff, not those board memebers, advisors, etc. that you list. The reason I ask is because of your web site's grandiose claim that you would be having a "a significant impact on the Jacksonville labor force, creating local employment opportunities for engineers of many disciplines, as well as abundant job opportunities for other non-engineering support positions, including many in high-tech, management and administrative fields." Jacksonville is a big place, with LOTS of people, so in order to make a "significant impact" on the job market, I guess you employ many thousands of people by now, right? And all of you work in that tiny little PO Box?


5). You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.The manner has nothing to do with it. That is a cop out, a desperate attempt to avoind being forced to asnwer that which you cannot answer. My intent is not selfish: my intent is to expose your "paper" for the fraud it is. There is nothing selfish about it. What was YOUR intent in publishing it?

I AM seeking answers: I want answers to the questions I posed to you, because your claims are false, and the only way you can prove them true is to aswer those questions.

However, since you have REFUSED to answer those questions, twice, when given ample opportunity, you have PROVED that your claims are false. You will not answer them because you CANNOT answer them. There is no answer that you could possibly give without revealing that your paper is, in fact, a scam.

I find that attempting to explain to you what I know and understand of the world of Physics will only lead to more discord and missunderstanding. You will continue to react to my answers with the heart and mind of a skeptic. In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing.

Ego will only get in the way of your reasoning skills. By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".

The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have.

You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.

So if you wish to prove the claims are without merit then be my guest and lets see your
equations with dissertation in your own words.

I encourage you to continue to challenge that is how you will learn.

[gaiacomm]

Unresolvable Technical Issues with Gaiacomm's claims.

According to the Gaiacomm web site, Dr. Judah Ben Hur delivered a hypothetical presentation to some unamned hypothetical people at an unamed hyptheritcal event in Las vegas a coupld of years back. In that presentation, he claims to have said the following regarding the resonant cavity between teh Earth's surfafce and the ionoshpere.:

The upper frequency limit of the wave-guide channel is determined by the depressive properties of the ionosphere, which eventually becomes transparent as the frequency is increased at a few megahertz.

There is no lower frequency limit or higher frequency limit. he earth ionosphere wave-guide can support the propagation of radio waves of frequencies as low or as high as desired,

The glaring error is impossible to miss. Firstly Judah says that the ionoshpere becomes transparent to radio waves for all frequencies beyond a few megahertz, then in the very next sentence he says that there is NO upper frequency for the cavity to remain resonant! Oops! Obviously, since the ionosphere is transparent to higher frequencies, then it CANNOT act as a waveguide wall to retain the RF energy, and thus the resonance is lost (as is the signal). At anything above a few MHz., the energy escapes out through the ionoshpere, and is GONE forever ...

So that statement by "Dr." Judah is just plain trash. There IS a limit to the fequency at which radio waves can be contained, and that frequency is just a few MHz. Gaiacomm's "technology" is founded on a lie.

Ooops! Dr .J.! Really! Tsk tsk tsk.. How could you make such a glaring error.? :)

(... more coming ... watch this space!)

Frost & Sullivan Honors Gaiacomm International with 2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award


Date Published: 22 Sep 2004




Las Vegas, Nev – September 22, 2004 – Frost & Sullivan will recognize Gaiacomm International Corporation, a front-runner in the development of fourth generation (4G) wireless delivery platform, as the recipient of 2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award at tonight’s Excellence in Mobile Communications Awards Banquet. Gaiacomm receives the Award for its determined efforts toward developing the innovative Global Wireless Communications (GWC) Technology for advanced wireless applications.

The inability of third generation (3G) networks to live up to expectations in providing full-fledged broadband services has hampered the progress of sophisticated wireless applications that require speed and reliability. The absence of a robust delivery platform is compelling users to make a leap to 4G networks and this is exactly why Gaiacomm’s GWC venture assumes immense significance.

Gaiacomm’s 4G GWC technology, with its ability to provide increased signal speed and accessibility from literally anywhere on the planet, is expected to fill the void. It promises to deliver high quality, low-cost Internet protocol-based services, fiber-optic wireless connections, and thereby power a highly versatile global wireless communications system that could operate in the terahertz frequency regime.

Potential applications of Gaiacomm’s GWC are enormous and include business-to-business transmission as a ‘private’ network; service to metropolitan areas where fiber rings are located; and the enabling of access points that provide ultra-high-speed wireless access from the ring to neighboring buildings and businesses located within a radius of 5,000 to 5 million sq surface miles. With such tremendous capabilities, it finds extensive use in military communications, homeland security, and a host of other mission-critical applications.

"Gaiacomm is one of the few survivors of the telecommunications business meltdown, and it is amongst a handful of companies that can boast of a breakthrough technology in its true sense," says Frost & Sullivan research analyst, Sivakumar. "With adequate funding and proprietary technology, Gaiacomm is well poised to expand the accessibility of the GWC technology space and become a major force in this sector."

For being a visionary in wireless communications technology and achieving technical excellence in its chosen field, Gaiacomm is the worthy recipient of Frost & Sullivan’s 2004 Technology Innovation of the Year Award. The Award not only underlines the quality and depth of Gaiacomm’s R&D program, but also its ability to take calculated risks in pursuit of a path-breaking endeavor.

Frost & Sullivan’s Technology Innovation of the Year Award is presented annually to a company that has carried out new research, leading to pioneering innovation that already have or are expected to provide significant changes in the industry in terms of market adoption and competitive landscape.

Held in Las Vegas, Frost & Sullivan’s 2004 Excellence in Mobile Communications Awards Banquet honors world-class companies for outstanding performance and achievements in wireless and mobile strategy, technology, platforms, and services. An annual event, the banquet recognizes the quality and merit of distinguished individuals and companies.

When notified of their selection as the recipient of this year’s Award, Gaiacomm International Corporation President and CEO David H. Horne, Jr. expressed his gratitude and appreciation by saying, "Thanks so much. You have changed our lives forever and given us the credibility we have been seeking and altered our future in a way that simply could not be purchased or achieved otherwise. Dr. Ben-Hur, the physicist and genius behind this technological innovation will be thrilled."

About Gaiacomm International Corporation

Gaiacomm International Corporation was formed to secure contracts with all agencies and entities, private and public sector concerns, for the use of a special venture of high technological significance, the "Global Wireless Communications" Technology. This "GWC" technology primarily deals with a global network of land-based communications systems that use the magnetic field of the earth as a means to carry, reflect, and redistribute the signal, a modulated helix protocol, and a dedicated continuous power output, which will allow the use of newly designed wireless devices that are built around the new wireless protocol. Military communications will be greatly enhanced with a secure band exclusively dedicated for the entire gamut of military operations under water, on land, and in the air, at a reasonable cost. For detailed information, visit www.gaiacomminternational.com.

About Frost & Sullivan

Founded in 1961, Frost & Sullivan is recognized as a global leader in growth consulting. Frost & Sullivan Awards are presented to companies that demonstrate excellence in their industry, commending the diligence, commitment, and innovative business strategies required to advance in the global marketplace. Frost & Sullivan rigorously analyzes specific criteria to determine award recipients in a vast variety of industries. For further information, visit www.frost.com.

Contact:

Stacie Jones
210.247.2450
stacie.jones@frost.com

[gaiacomm]

stuart_allsop:

After reading your claims of facts and statements based on limited info it is clear to me that you have no idea what is at the end of the rainbow. Do you honestly think that someone would or should defend claims that are made by you or anyone else?

I suggest you continue your disection of the gaiacomm claims and post away your rants and concerns and threats that have no merit or substance. This is the internet and we all can come and go as we please and we either can live in OZ or not.

There is nothing to defend on Gaiacomm. You have all of the allowed facts and statements from doing a google search. You will find a diverse assortment of data that may be misunderstood by some and understood by others. Its obvious which group you are with.

The facts that are on the internet is all that is avaliable to the public. You may interpret them in any way you desire. If you wish to know more then ask the internet or be bold.

[gaiacomm]

stuart_allsop:

Hint: The magnetic field!


http://www.digistar.cl/SR111/index.html

[gaiacomm]

Good Data:

http://www-c4.ucsd.edu/

[jayreynolds]

There is nothing to defend on Gaiacomm.

In the end, what Lance Haubrick has said is true.

http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=73733&postcount=2224

[jayreynolds]

The dying "chemtrail" hoax was able to generate a scant seven responses in a poll asking
"What is the active ingredient"
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7622

Wayne's pet claim of aluminum came up last place, with only one lone nutcase still buying it.
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last post by Chem11(aka.Val Valerian{herbal valium})
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=73733&postcount=2224.
Pay close attention, Jimbo, Wayne, and Deborah.. He is continuing to debunk you.

"Well, I guess that's about it for an initial response. I'm a bit surpised to see the interest in TO2, given that it's not a very widely discussed theoretical component. I was unaware of it's military applications (aside from an anon email I recieved a couple years back that ventually got filed under 'R' for red herrings).

Time to fess-up. My history teacher back in High School used to love to pepper his exams with trick questions and I'm proud to carry on the tradition.

We have pictures of barium relases and they look nothing like persistent aerosol trails. The clouds formed are short-lived and to do not attract atmospheric water vapour. I can find no research that would indicate that Ba would be in any way useful as a hygroscopic particle conducive to increased CT persistance and cloud-cover generation.

The situation with Aluminum is a bit more complicated. The USAF is spraying aluminum 'RF fibrils' on a scale massive enough to blanket four states and screw up the National Weather Service weather radar returns to the point where they can't accurately track weather patterns. This is obviously a situation of grave concern, but neither fibrils or aluminum particles would cause CTs to persist and fulminate.

The category of 'other' is of course virtually boundless in it's possiblities, so my only further comment would be that is that there isn't much sense in re-inventing the wheel. If you want to create artifical clouds via atmospheric manipulation (and someone obviously does), aerosol sulfates are the cheapest and most obvious route.

It wouldn't cost a dime, in fact. You save money by running low-grade high-sulfate fuel (and can endlessly argue that the resulting pollution is helping to reflect all that horrible sunlight back into space). Whether these aspiring geoengineers actually believed this to be enough of a possibility to increase fuel sulfate levels.. or whether it was just a scam to save the military and the airlines a few bucks while allowing the petroleum industry to up production by selling cheap fuel is another arguement, but the sulfate levels have indeed risen dramtically and the results have been just as dramatic.

Here, my barium/aluminum debunker buddy does a little 'dissing' of your foolish actions:

"It's been a fairly frustrating few years for me here at m3ga, caught between the two extremes of misinformation being circulated by the Flat Earth Society and the congnescenti who ran with someone elses inconclusive research (or anonymous 'tips').
http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=Discussion&action=display&num=1101310441

Chem speaks of debunkers as "the flat earth society" and the 'Chemtrails Over America Group',
established by A.C. Griffith, and including 'Sore throat" and Deborah, as, "the congnescenti who ran with someone elses inconclusive research (or anonymous 'tips')"

How does it feel, you fools, to be actively debunked by one of your own using "trick questions"?

And for you, chem, I again challenge you to provide documentation for your claim that jet fuel, "sulfate levels have indeed risen dramtically", or that such a thing would make any difference in contrail persistence or spreading.

You won't, because it hasn't, and because it doesn't.

[jayreynolds]

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

You already got debunked on that, years ago:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1495&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1495&start=105

History is hell, isn't it, Chemii?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=596062

Bush Left In The Cold By Climate Allies
By Geoffrey Lean
Environment Editor
The Independent - UK
12-25-4

George Bush's two closest allies in his attempt to sabotage international
action to combat global warning last week dramatically distanced themselves from
him.

Saudi Arabia announced that it had approved the Kyoto Protocol, the treaty on
climate change which President Bush has been trying to kill. And Australia,
while still rejecting it, parted company from the United States by saying that
it was prepared to negotiate its successor.

The moves follow a tense international negotiating session in Buenos Aires
where, as The Independent on Sunday reported last week, the US brought the talks
to the brink of collapse by obstructing even anodyne proposals. This breached
an assurance given by President Bush in 2001, when he pulled out of the
protocol, that America would not try to stop other countries reaching agreement.

New negotiations are due to begin next year on a successor to Kyoto, which
will come into force in February, following Russia's decision to ratify it last
autumn. Tony Blair regards progress on climate change as one of the top
priorities of Britain's presidency of the G8 group of the world's most powerful
nations.

US opposition endangers both initiatives, but Mr Bush suffered a blow on
Tuesday when the Saudi cabinet approved the treaty. A royal decree is being
prepared to endorse it officially. The decision is significant, since the Saudis
worked closely with the US in Buenos Aires, but the Australian initiative is more
important, as it has so far marched in step with the US to try to kill
negotiations.

Ian Campbell, Australia's environment minister, said it would be prepared to
enter an agreement to combat global warming. He warned that unless it was
reached, the world would be "in jeopardy", adding: "The difference between the US
and Australia is that we are prepared to engage in a new agreement, so long as
it is comprehensive."

Meanwhile, the official European Environment Agency has announced that the EU
nations were on track to exceed the pollution cuts they have promised under
Kyoto, so long as they implement all their policies and measures.

[gaiacomm]

In the end, what Lance Haubrick has said is true.

http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=73733&postcount=2224


JR is right you should direct you questions to the Dr. and not Lance.

Lance would not know the answers to your questions.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hello Folks,

I trust all have heard of the 8.9 magnitude earthquake in the Indonesia area. It is one of the largest magnitude quakes in recorded history. All more environmental signs of the massive problems from global warming.

I happened to be using my digital camera to take some photos of the air pharmacology jet trails over the area of Knoxville and Oak Ridge Tennessee on Dec. 24---Christmas Eve. One photo came be seen here:




Take special note of the jet planes being used as catalysts for cloud making and in the photo here their sending a "V" for victory in "Morse Code." Appears right above the large parking lot lamps, "Dit-dit-dit- Dah." Jet planes are being used as catalysists for making clouds is a reality appearing all around the world and shown all over the internet in photos.


Then as I watched the next day these trails become denser and denser and very "dramatic" changes seemed to occur as we came to the day of celebration for Jesus' birth. Seen here:




Happy Holidays to all and let us do keep in mind the reason for the season. Even how the issues of environmental science have met religion issues head on.

More and more people in the Christian dominated US are beginning to awaken to the real issues of their religion's prophicies.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

JR is right you should direct you questions to the Dr. and not Lance.

Lance would not know the answers to your questions.

I have spoken on the telephone to Lance Haubrick, who would not have a clue about anything that is discussed on this thread.

[Yaak]

The dying "chemtrail" hoax was able to generate a scant seven responses in a poll asking
"What is the active ingredient"
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/for...opic.php?t=7622 Actually, the quantity of sincere responses was six (or less?). At least one of those votes was bogus. I know this for a fact. I know far more than The Shadow knows.;)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Air Pharmacology methods over St. Petersburg Russia:




Jay Reynolds and company just can't seem to downplay that jet planes are being used as catalytic agents to induce clouds over cities and countries around the globe. The major thesis is and always has been that Jet Planes can be used to make clouds on a massive scale to counter global warming by using reflective "Mie Scattering."


The mischief prone Jay Reynolds syndicate (wanna-be Ken Starrs) is tactically run much like the Arkansas based story of the "Hunting of a President." They have like characters and like Arkansas good ole boy low inteligence methods: Sophiticated looking but gutter prone Gennifer Flowers ( Allsops ), please tell me what to say to get a job Paula Jones ( Ed Snell ), and I like to smoke cigars the hard way Jewish named Monika Lewinski ( white-maji-minora ).

Alas, there is no way for these Arkansas lead mudslingers to deny that Jet Planes make excellent catalysists for seeding huge amounts of clouds all around the globe.

As the New Year approaches it is clear the Reynolds hunt crew have lost their battles of mud slinging, as all those that show their multitudes of photos of jet air pharmacolgy have been entirely victorious on the issue of getting the World's attention.

Congratulations to the Victorious folks showing Jets being shown conclusively as catalysists for cloud seeding.


Now we need those environmental impact statements from the EPA and a full public involvement process. Now the effects of these Jets enhancing rainfall and making for higher acid rain effects over lands needs to be done well. And the US will have to tell the full story of strategic advantages of using Ti and Ba methods on some countries, while denying others.


IMHO,
is

[Yaak]

Welcome to Jimmy Phelps'






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....................:shock:
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.
.
.

[hoot]

Strange Horrible Lightning storm reported over the Florida Keys an hour before the Massive Earth Quake almost exactly Halfway around the world in the Indian Ocean. Hundreds of Strikes, Purple Lightning, Sheet Lightning, Seven Inches of Rain in an Hour after an All Out All Day Aerosol Attack! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Think Global! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tesla Did!

[gaiacomm]

I have spoken on the telephone to Lance Haubrick, who would not have a clue about anything that is discussed on this thread.


Yes, that is correct!

Allsop is greatly mistaken. All of that type for nothing and not even an answer!

[halva]

As the New Year approaches it is clear the Reynolds hunt crew have lost their battles of mud slinging, as all those that show their multitudes of photos of jet air pharmacolgy have been entirely victorious on the issue of getting the World's attention.


Jim this is inaccurate. The world's attention has not yet been won.

Even the number one task of building bridges to the movement against climate change has not yet been achieved.

How is it possible to talk about how it IS to be achieved if you claim that it HAS been?

I have suggested that all the other non-debunkers should simply ignore-list Raynolds and the other debunkers here.

It is more important to smash them in real life, without warning, than it is to have a crowing competition with them here at Arianna's.

[whitemajikman]

Air Pharmacology methods over St. Petersburg Russia:




Jay Reynolds and company just can't seem to downplay that jet planes are being used as catalytic agents to induce clouds over cities and countries around the globe. The major thesis is and always has been that Jet Planes can be used to make clouds on a massive scale to counter global warming by using reflective "Mie Scattering."


The mischief prone Jay Reynolds syndicate (wanna-be Ken Starrs) is tactically run much like the Arkansas based story of the "Hunting of a President." They have like characters and like Arkansas good ole boy low inteligence methods: Sophiticated looking but gutter prone Gennifer Flowers ( Allsops ), please tell me what to say to get a job Paula Jones ( Ed Snell ), and I like to smoke cigars the hard way Jewish named Monika Lewinski ( white-maji-minora ).

Alas, there is no way for these Arkansas lead mudslingers to deny that Jet Planes make excellent catalysists for seeding huge amounts of clouds all around the globe.

As the New Year approaches it is clear the Reynolds hunt crew have lost their battles of mud slinging, as all those that show their multitudes of photos of jet air pharmacolgy have been entirely victorious on the issue of getting the World's attention.

Congratulations to the Victorious folks showing Jets being shown conclusively as catalysists for cloud seeding.


Now we need those environmental impact statements from the EPA and a full public involvement process. Now the effects of these Jets enhancing rainfall and making for higher acid rain effects over lands needs to be done well. And the US will have to tell the full story of strategic advantages of using Ti and Ba methods on some countries, while denying others.


IMHO,
is


Jim , Your Psychotic Episodes are increasing In Frequency , if you do not get help soon ,I think you will harm someone.

You can help yourself by asking your doctor to prescribe anyone of these anti-psychotics .............
Abilify (aripiprazole)
Clozaril (clozapine)
Geodon (ziprasidone)
Haldol (haloperidol)
Mellaril (thioridazine)
Navane (thiothixene)
Prolixin (fluphenazine)
Risperdal (Risperidone)
Seroquel (quetiapine)
Stelazine (Trifluoperazine)
Thorazine (chlorpromazine)
Trilafon (perphenazine)
Zyprexa (olanzapine)

Well there is my good deed for today.........

Now getting back to the business at hand............

Until you can provide Proof of your claims,Which you know you cannot ,you have nothing but a theory based upon conjecture and fabrication of your own set philosophies which have molded you since birth,but contain no scientific rationale other than Fear and Paranoia that you have let yourself manifest as a coping mechanism against the harsh realities of the world.

Here Is the reality........

The Earth is in Flux........

It is beginning a cycle of change which is part of the normal order of things.......NATURES ORDER.

One it has made many, many, times before.

The Problem here is that the Truth is so Horrible that YOU,Wayne,Deborah and every other proponent have decided to delude yourselves instead of facing up to the Facts........

The Only choice Mankind really has is to Adapt to Global Climate Change or Die.

But instead of considering this Notion you people have decided to try and play environmental politics by supporting Kyoto which cures nothing,and causes more problems that has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with Human sustainability. Economically and geo-politically.

None of you wish to learn or face facts...........

But all of you wish to keep your heads in the sand because thats where it's safe and requires no risk on your parts........You have all been denying facts for so long that you have all become accustomed to believing your own little fantasies on what you think might be happening instead of looking at the big picture and what is REALLY happening.

In other words some of you have let your egos outweigh reality.

how honourable is that.......?

WAYNE you started this thread to lure Jay into a debate that you thought you could win..........And You Lost.............FACT.

JIM you are in need of some Therapy for your multiple personality disorder and in need of a Month long vacation in the west bank with a Jewish Passport then maybe you will realize your folly...............FACT.

DEBORAH you are in need of a second chance to change your mind and Story regarding Climate Change........OOPS thats right Jay has already dedicated significant time and energy to letting you start with a clean slate.....but instead you let your ego get in the way and refuse.........FACT.

LANCE/JUDAH you are in need of finding another board which swindlers like yourself are appreciated and not debunked everyother day,which is the case right now...........FACT.

P.S.
Lance most of those Drugs I have Recommended To JIM You probably already take why not just come clean and be done with it.......


ALL in ALL The 4 of you have LOST Control of this thread because of your lack of HONESTY AND INTEGRITY not to mention your BLIND ALLEGIANCE TO CONSPIRATORIAL ENVIRONMENTALISM which you have all had a share in on this thread.........


WMM

[whitemajikman]

WAYNE HALL

DEBORAH STARK

JIM PHELPS

LANCE/JUDAH

ALL MEMBERS WHOM HAVE CONTRIBUTED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THIS THREAD,BUT I WILL GO INTO DETAIL WHAT THEY DID CONTRIBUTE TOO.......

ME GOING THROUGH 5 KEYBOADS IN A SPAN OF A YEAR DUE TO SPILLING BEVERAGES AFTER BUSTING A GUT READING THEIR ASSININE POST'S..........ESPECIALLY WAYNE DENYING THAT HE READS OUR RESPONSES...........

THEY HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO MAKING CHEMMIES MORE DISREPUTABLE THAN BELIEVERS OF ICKE'S REPTILIANS.........

THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO VAST AMOUNTS OF RACISM AND MORAL INDIFFERENCE WHICH ISN'T SURPRISING CONSIDERING THE MINDS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS........

ALSO AS THIS YEAR COMES TO A CLOSE IN A FEW SHORT DAYS I WONDER WILL THIS BE THE YEAR THAT THEY REALIZE WHAT A JOKE THEY ARE.......?

HMMMM

STAY TUNED FOLKS ............


WMM

[foot_soldier]

December 26, 2004
Undeniable Global Warming
By Naomi Oreskes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26065-2004Dec25.html

Many people have the impression that there is significant scientific disagreement about global climate change. It's time to lay that misapprehension to rest. There is a scientific consensus on the fact that Earth's climate is heating up and human activities are part of the reason. We need to stop repeating nonsense about the uncertainty of global warming and start talking seriously about the right approach to address it..... (continued)

BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER:
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
Naomi Oreskes
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=oreskes&searchid=1104131002782_7405&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=10/1/1995&tdate=12/31/2004

***

December 17, 2004
Scientists see global warming in bright twilight
Inuit hunters first to spot strange light in darkening Arctic sky
http://www.nunatsiaq.com/news/nunavut/41217_05.html#sun

Excerpt:

.....Davidson has called this effect the "Y V Ulluq Q" phenomenon to honor scientists and Inuit, "the great people of the High Arctic."

The initials in this name are for his scientist colleagues, Andrew Young and Siebren Van der Werf, and for Inuit through the word ulluq, "daytime" in Inuktitut. The "Q" that stands for "Qausuittuq," the Inuktitut word for Resolute, which means "the place where tomorrow never comes."

The Y V Ulluq Q produces bright light during twilight, as light is refracted, or bent, by the cold and warm air layers. It's happening because of the increasingly warm air in the Arctic.

Some 200 to 1000 metres above the ground, there's a layer of warm air. For the past 10 years or so, the main effect of this warm air above the High Arctic has been to produce a bright twilight - but it might not stay that way.

Davidson is convinced the Y V Ulluq Q is a powerful warning signal that global warming is having a visible and growing impact even as far north as the High Arctic.

"You have to think of the thing as a struggle between warm and cold air. As long as this warm air is at its present state, it won't warm up the surface, but when it's strong enough, big enough and powerful enough, then it would start warming up everything. Things are changing."

Davidson says the science backs up what Inuit were saying all along......

[whitemajikman]

Many people have the impression that there is significant scientific disagreement about global climate change. It's time to lay that misapprehension to rest. There is a scientific consensus on the fact that Earth's climate is heating up and human activities are part of the reason. We need to stop repeating nonsense about the uncertainty of global warming and start talking seriously about the right approach to address it..... (continued)

Deborah Stark and other environmentalist's like her are trying to mislead people into believing that if they endorse kyoto ,it will have an impact on Global Climate Change which is BUNK..........

The Biggest reason being that Global Climate Change is a Natural occurence in the continued life span of the Earth and has happened many times since the first organisms(life) appeared on this planet.

While I do agree that human activities cause Pollution there is no reliable data that shows that Human activities are at the root of Global Climate Change.

Because realistically to have any effect on Global Climate Change one must understand why Global climate Change is occuring,and through that understanding come up with a solution to STOP Global Climate Change.

Anything else but Stopping it will make no Significant difference in the outcome ,The Earth's Climate will change regardless of a Manmade Paper treaty that does little to address stopping Global Warming and does not even serve as a band aid...........

So Deborah lets talk Kyoto and tell me how the treaty will STOP Global Warming........?

Because anything Less Than Stopping it Would Be a Costly ,wasted effort that could change the entire Global geo-political outlook and cause more damage to society than Global Warming ever could........

Here is a Prediction.....

Deborah will not address what I am saying because she knows that there is no solution and therefore has no defence.....

She will continue with her propaganda because she has her head buried in the sand,and will not discuss REAL FACTS...........And Implications..........

But I still Challenge her to explain how we can Stop Global Climate Change with the signing of a piece of paper........or an article......?

to say that it is possible is ludicrous considering the scope of the problem and how little we really understand the Earth's Natural processes..........and how they interact.......

Even today it would be safe to say that we are still in the dark about so many aspects of how our planet works..........

And that is our greatest barrier to achieving what Deborah thinks can be acheived by signing our energy away and throwing copious amounts of money at which in the process would still lead to the same conlcusion which is continued Global Climate Change.........

I think It's time to question the the Wayne's and Deborah's of this world if they really know what the fuck they are talking about considering all they have really managed to do here is to post selective politically motivated articles in an attempt to sell their hoax..........

Notice that in all the articles they have posted,you will find telling words like might,could,maybe etc...etc......etc......

Also it must be mentioned that the scientific concensus that Deborah mentions is politically motivated,not scientifically motivated..........which doesnt amount to anything substantial or lead to any real solutions except to get a signature on a treaty that will not Stop Global Climate Change.......

Deborah needs to give her head a shake and if that doesn't work...........get help for her paranoia......

She couldn't defend her position if her life depended on it..........because thats how weak her position truly is........

She is her very own strawman.....................

WMM

[whitemajikman]

December 26, 2004
Undeniable Global Warming
By Naomi Oreskes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26065-2004Dec25.html

Many people have the impression that there is significant scientific disagreement about global climate change. It's time to lay that misapprehension to rest. There is a scientific consensus on the fact that Earth's climate is heating up and human activities are part of the reason. We need to stop repeating nonsense about the uncertainty of global warming and start talking seriously about the right approach to address it..... (continued)

BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER:
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
Naomi Oreskes
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=oreskes&searchid=1104131002782_7405&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=10/1/1995&tdate=12/31/2004

***

December 17, 2004
Scientists see global warming in bright twilight
Inuit hunters first to spot strange light in darkening Arctic sky
http://www.nunatsiaq.com/news/nunavut/41217_05.html#sun

Excerpt:

.....Davidson has called this effect the "Y V Ulluq Q" phenomenon to honor scientists and Inuit, "the great people of the High Arctic."

The initials in this name are for his scientist colleagues, Andrew Young and Siebren Van der Werf, and for Inuit through the word ulluq, "daytime" in Inuktitut. The "Q" that stands for "Qausuittuq," the Inuktitut word for Resolute, which means "the place where tomorrow never comes."

The Y V Ulluq Q produces bright light during twilight, as light is refracted, or bent, by the cold and warm air layers. It's happening because of the increasingly warm air in the Arctic.

Some 200 to 1000 metres above the ground, there's a layer of warm air. For the past 10 years or so, the main effect of this warm air above the High Arctic has been to produce a bright twilight - but it might not stay that way.

Davidson is convinced the Y V Ulluq Q is a powerful warning signal that global warming is having a visible and growing impact even as far north as the High Arctic.

"You have to think of the thing as a struggle between warm and cold air. As long as this warm air is at its present state, it won't warm up the surface, but when it's strong enough, big enough and powerful enough, then it would start warming up everything. Things are changing."

Davidson says the science backs up what Inuit were saying all along......

YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR SOURCES DEBORAH .............

Because now you look like a fool..........

Essay Claiming 'Scientific Consensus' for Global Warming is Ridiculed
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
December 07, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - A Science Magazine essay claiming there is a "scientific consensus" about human-caused "global warming" was ridiculed Monday by a British scientist, who compared such a "consensus" to the near-unanimous elections that existed in the old Soviet Union.

On Monday, Benny Peiser, a United Kingdom social anthropologist, called the Dec. 3 essay, "The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," a "disturbing" study.

"A one-hundred-percent record of 'scientific consensus' on anthropogenic climate change would be a sensational finding indeed. In fact, such a total result would be even more remarkable than any 'consensus' ever achieved in Soviet-style elections," Peiser noted sarcastically.

The Science Magazine essay analyzed 928 abstracts containing the keyword "climate change," all published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003. The essay found that not a single one of the studies showed climate change to be naturally occurring.

The essay was written by University of California professor Naomi Oreskes, a member of the University's Department of History and Science Studies Program.

According to Oreskes, "None of these (928) papers argued that [current climate change is natural]."

"This analysis shows that scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed literature agree with [United Nations] IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), the National Academy of Sciences, and the public statements of their professional societies," Oreskes wrote.

"Politicians, economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion, disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is incorrect," she added.

"The question of what to do about climate change is also still open. But there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic (human caused) climate change. Climate scientists have repeatedly tried to make this clear. It is time for the rest of us to listen," concluded Oreskes.

But Peiser, a senior lecturer in Social Anthropology & Sport Sociology at Liverpool John Moores University and the editor of of CCNet (Cambridge Conference Network) webzine, labeled Oreskes' essay a "disturbing article.

"Whatever happened to the countless research papers published in the last ten years in peer-reviewed journals that show that temperatures were generally higher during the Medieval Warm Period than today, that solar variability is most likely to be the key driver of any significant climate change and that the methods used in climate modeling are highly questionable?" Peiser asked.

"Given the countless papers published in the peer-reviewed literature over the last ten years that implicitly or explicitly disagree with the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming, one can only conclude that all of these were simply excluded from the [Science Magazine] review. That's how it arrived at a 100 percent consensus!" he added.

According to Peiser, Oreskes' assertion that there is a 100 percent consensus about the issue is not backed by science.

"Even [former Soviet dictator Joseph] Stalin himself did not take consensus politics to such extremes," Peiser explained. "In the Soviet Union the official 'participation rate' was never higher than 98-99 percent.

"So how did the results published in Science achieve a 100 percent level of conformity? Regrettably, the article does not include any reference to the [unpublished?] study itself, let alone the methodology on which the research was based. This makes it difficult to check how Oreskes arrived at the truly miraculous results," he added.

'Easily debunked falsehood'

Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the free market environmental group Competitive Enterprise Institute, also criticized the idea that there is a "scientific consensus" on "global warming."

"Publishing such an easily debunked falsehood in an erstwhile reputable, peer-review publication (Science Magazine) demonstrates either a new low in desperation or a new generation believing there are no checks and therefore no limits," Horner told CNSNews.com.

After all, past nonsense brought increasing taxpayer funding for decades. What would make them think they can't just make things up?" Horner added.

Iain Murray, a senior fellow in International Policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, wrote a letter to the editor of Science Magazine questioning why the study was even published.

"I was surprised to see Science publish an article crowing over the existence of a scientific consensus on global warming and then advancing the non-sequitur that political action is therefore needed. Neither is a point worthy of consideration in an objective, scientific journal," Murray wrote in his letter to the editor, dated Dec. 6.

"...the message of the article -- that politicians must act on the basis of the science -- is clearly a political point rather than a scientific one," Murray continued.

"...the argument advanced by the author that 'our grandchildren will surely blame us if they find that we understood the reality of anthropogenic climate change and failed to do anything about it' is barely economically literate and has no place in a scientific journal," he added.

See Related Articles:
Meteorologist Likens Fear of Global Warming to 'Religious Belief' - (Dec. 2, 2004)

John McCain's 'Global Warming' Hearings Blasted by Climatologist (Nov. 19, 2004)


WMM

[The Shadow]

Oh, great... whitemajikmushroom is back with his high and mighty attitude...

Evidently, your thesis that power corrupts applies only to others. You are about as fraudulent as they come, Junior.

The Shadow knows enough to dismiss your tripe...

[jayreynolds]

Jim this is inaccurate. The world's attention has not yet been won.
Even the number one task of building bridges to the movement against climate change has not yet been achieved.
How is it possible to talk about how it IS to be achieved if you claim that it HAS been?
I have suggested that all the other non-debunkers should simply ignore-list Raynolds and the other debunkers here.
It is more important to smash them in real life, without warning, than it is to have a crowing competition with them here at Arianna's.

Yes, Jim, roll over and take your orders from Wayne like a good little underling.
Your damn memory is so bad though, you forgot what happened last week.

Wayne doesn't have to follow his own rules, see, Jimbo?

Last week he started crowing about how he had gotten Ross Gelbspan "in his camp", but
when i called my buddy Ross and told him how Wayne had faked up his email, Ross became infuriated and he dropped Wayne faster than Bill Clinton drops his pants.

That incident ended all chance of making inroads by you chemmies into prominence among global warming people. THAT hope is all over, even if the gravity hasn't hit yet to all of you. So, when he tells you to shut up, you better do what he wants, he's got some skeletons on you, most likely.

The way it works is this, Jim. There are queens and there are drones. To Wayne, you and Deborah are just dressed up courtiers, pawns to be played and moved about. Your only real value is for Wayne's personal use. That's why he NEVER takes orders from any of you, but is ALWAYS expecting you to jump at his beck and call.

He is also keeping you around so that he can blame HIS OWN screwups on YOU. Little emperors always need 'whipping boys'.....they can't admit mistakes, they have 'little people' to take their licks. While Jimbo take a lickin they can pretend to 'ignore-list' that anything ever happened.

See, Wayne is just as much of a screwup as you are Jimbo. The only real difference
between you is that Wayne eventually accepts that he's behaved as an idiot, and plods along, while you are able to transmogrify the world itself into whatever you wish it to be, at least in your own mind.......

Essentially Wayne can screw you over whenever he wants, and then you obligingly 'turn the other cheek'!

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207227

So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people you have allied yourself with? Perhaps it is a proper association. Do you realize that in Jim's mind there might be no difference between Arizona and Arkansas?

It is possible that you have an excellent command of the English language. Also, it should be noted that some word processing software is capable of indicating faulty grammar and mismatched verb tenses. The thesaurus is a useful writer’s tool.

It is sad that you have found no apparent use for your literary talents other than harassing and flaming. Your continual references to bodily waste functions could be indicative of psychoses related to problems you have experienced or are experiencing with your own digestive system.

Why does it surprise you that two people with many differing view points and opinions could be friends or associates? Couldn’t the love of their country or a shared passion for the truth be enough to bind them? Do you seriously believe that your obvious attempt to assassinate Jay’s character adds validity to Wayne’s and Jim’s hoaxes?

Thank you for pointing out how stale my signature has become. It was a private joke.
Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, “So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?�

Just the same, allow me to set you straight in answer to that rather smug question. First of all, you will note that I have reduced the size of your quoted text in order to more accurately reflect the relative importance of its content. The reality is that I prefer to remain free of “alliances.� Your problem with me is that I happen to find more offensive your disingenuousness and your uncanny ability to rationalize unscrupulous conduct. The true natures exhibited by you and your allies are unmistakable and have taken center stage. If I appear to be taking sides, you have yourselves to thank.

You also seem to resent the fact that my ability to use proper English and syntax is better than that of most people. Do not blame me if you did not pay attention in class and are now a slave to spelling and grammar checkers, which are truly limited in their capabilities. They cannot turn a sloppy writer into Hemmingway. At least fifty percent of the time, alternatives that are offered for sentence structure would horrify the least knowledgeable of educators. However, the thesaurus is good in a pinch. Highly regarded authors were using them long before they became a cyber tool.

Yaakity-Yaak, your history as a contributor to a large number of message boards speaks for itself. Your most recent exploit, chronicled at http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2815.topic, clearly demonstrates the severe degree of your mentally defective state. Your suggestion that any harsh words from me have been unprovoked is really quite humorous. As for your objection to my choice of colorful metaphors, I would like to point out that Mr. Reynolds has been quite fond of making references to women’s underwear. Perhaps the services of a psychiatrist, who specializes in fetishes, would be in order. At least, that would be a place from which to start.

Contrary to your supposition, I know many people who have varied backgrounds and belief systems and they do manage to share common ground. In the case of Mr. Reynolds, I see only the love of self. That leaves no room for passion of any other kind, least of all of the truth. Per your accusation, in order for me to “assassinate� his character, one would have to exist, in the first place. In Biblical terms, Mr. Reynolds reaps precisely what he sows. In fact, from what I have observed, you and he share many of the same qualities.

In closing, allow me to call to your attention that without light, there are no shadows. Without shadows, there can be no physical realm. If you are light, then so is the Devil. The only thing that you can eliminate is your last meal (there I go again)...

The Shadow knows...

[jayreynolds]

YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR SOURCES DEBORAH .............

Because now you look like a fool..........

WMM

Yes, you really should.
I did.

The writer Oreskes
says:
"In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations"

UNEQUIVOCALLY- Definition: [adv] in an unambiguous manner
[UN-edited]AMBIGUOUS- Definition: [adj] admitting of no doubt
LIKELY- Definition: [adj] likely but not certain to be or become true or real

Doesn't anyone at 'SCIENCE' have a dictionary and be able to see a contradiction here?
This sort of contradiction in an essay wouldn't pass muster at an ordinary grade school.
Shameful propaganda, very poorly done. They should withdraw it immediately and discharge whoever was responsible.
=========
Edited to add [UN] to the word ambiguous(thanks much shadow!) (www.asylumnation.com/asylum/_r/showthread/threadid_8942/)
Now about that lemmingway........

[jayreynolds]

They cannot turn a sloppy writer into Hemmingway.

Yeah, tel us about this Lemmingway......

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ah Yes, the "White Magi Minora," aka WMM, identity theft person and impersinator of Jim Phelps is talking credibilty. What poppy-cock.

You all have the same slime accumulator abilities of Ken Starr. No real meat. Just spam.


Global warming is real, except for slime spreaders. And Jet planes being used as catalysists for cloud making globally very real----shown in photos internationally.

Why do they avoid the solid photos of reality with misinformation and changing the subject?
Why do they lie all the time?

Must be their job. Partners he is with some dummy in Chile that thinks plasma is a mirror all the time. But we all know that plasma is frequecy selective or satellite TV would not work. Absolute pure idiots on talking atmospheric plasma sciences.

WMM, the self agrandizing Jew, who eternally tries to cover the "cross" with the "star." One who invites Christians to Israel to aways tell how they are the Chosen People, and run over the ideals of Christ.

The war in the Middle East is totally due to this Jewish obcession on themselves. The real story is the cross superseeded the star, long, long, ago. The time of the Jews has passed. And the world does not need to live the lies for Israel.

God's plan is to kill the lie, rather than having the lies kill people. End Jews killing the Arabs in hate crimes or vise versa when the world seems to strike back against the lies of the Jews in the Holocausts, the Pograms, or the up and coming Armageddon.

End the Jewish lie.

IMHO,
is

[The Shadow]

They cannot turn a sloppy writer into Hemmingway.Yeah, tel[l] us about this Lemmingway......
You are whining again, Mr. Reynolds. The above terminology is standard in all scientific papers – even ones you cite as fact.

I do not know which dictionary from where you obtained the definition of "ambiguous." "Admitting of no doubt" did not come from Webster's, which yields:

1. Liable to more than one interpretation
2. Uncertain or indefinite
syns. cloudy, equivocal, nebulous, obscure

There is only one thing that can help you improve yourself, Mr. Reynolds.

The Shadow knows what that is...

[jayreynolds]

There is only one thing that can help you improve yourself, Mr. Reynolds.
The Shadow knows what that is...
A good woman like Diane Harvey?
A larger monitor?
Who's your daddy?

[Yaak]

Your most recent exploit, chronicled at http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsa... ID=2815.topic (http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=2815.topic), clearly demonstrates the severe degree of your mentally defective state
My most recent exploit was a clear reflection of Mech’s mentally defective state. Mech provided me with a good reason to help him see what it is like to have somebody make childish and obscene posts on his board. It was a favor returned with, perhaps, a slight tinge of revenge. It was definitely fun.:D

It, also, was a lesson to Mech about control: I am in control; Mech is not. I can do what I want; Mech can do nothing about it. Mech's silly chemmie message boards are allowed to exist, uninterrupted, because I am a basically decent person, not because of anything Mech has done or thinks he can do.







There is only one thing that can help you improve yourself, Mr. Reynolds.
When the all knowing Shadow decides to share with us what that “one thing� is, I am sure that it will have something to do with the human digestive process.

[whitemajikman]

Oh, great... whitemajikmushroom is back with his high and mighty attitude...

Evidently, your thesis that power corrupts applies only to others. You are about as fraudulent as they come, Junior.

The Shadow knows enough to dismiss your tripe...


A Shadow's Sole Purpose in life is to follow.........

I think that is enough said about this individual.........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

WAYNE HALL

DEBORAH STARK

JIM PHELPS

LANCE/JUDAH

ALL MEMBERS WHOM HAVE CONTRIBUTED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THIS THREAD,BUT I WILL GO INTO DETAIL WHAT THEY DID CONTRIBUTE TOO.......

ME GOING THROUGH 5 KEYBOADS IN A SPAN OF A YEAR DUE TO SPILLING BEVERAGES AFTER BUSTING A GUT READING THEIR ASSININE POST'S..........ESPECIALLY WAYNE DENYING THAT HE READS OUR RESPONSES...........

THEY HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO MAKING CHEMMIES MORE DISREPUTABLE THAN BELIEVERS OF ICKE'S REPTILIANS.........

THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO VAST AMOUNTS OF RACISM AND MORAL INDIFFERENCE WHICH ISN'T SURPRISING CONSIDERING THE MINDS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS........

ALSO AS THIS YEAR COMES TO A CLOSE IN A FEW SHORT DAYS I WONDER WILL THIS BE THE YEAR THAT THEY REALIZE WHAT A JOKE THEY ARE.......?

HMMMM

STAY TUNED FOLKS ............


WMM



Chemtrails are a fact! The debunker idiots are just that with too much time on their hands. They cannot leave the others alone. They are like a bad cold. They have worn out their welcome here and should leave but they won't so we just ignore them and post over top of their posts and continue informing others of the Chemtrail saga!

[gaiacomm]

Happy New Year!

[halva]

Chemtrails are a fact! The debunker idiots are just that with too much time on their hands. They cannot leave the others alone. They are like a bad cold. They have worn out their welcome here and should leave but they won't so we just ignore them and post over top of their posts and continue informing others of the Chemtrail saga!

Right!!! Ignore them. Post over the top of their posts. Let them accustom themselves to the even greater obscurity and disgrace that is to be their lot.

But talk about climate change here. Not chemtrails. Chemtrails are to be addressed off-line, in the real world. Not through the media: either the big media or our internet media.

[whitemajikman]

Chemtrails are a fact! The debunker idiots are just that with too much time on their hands. They cannot leave the others alone. They are like a bad cold. They have worn out their welcome here and should leave but they won't so we just ignore them and post over top of their posts and continue informing others of the Chemtrail saga!


Gaiacomm aka Lance Haubrick aka Judah Ben-hur aka who knows how many others ...........

Is a little pissed off because he has to deal with TRUTH instead of his daily dose of deluded fiction.........

Chemtrails are no more a fact than Yeti,the Lochness monster,Planet x,or underground alien bases ..........

He will not face his Delusional demeanor head-on or acknowledge that he suffers from a mental deficit disorder..................

Gaiacomm's contribution to this thread is highlighted with these 3 Immortal words ...................................

BLAH BLAH BLAH....................................which is his signature response to stress due to having to face the TRUTH..................

In Other Words This Individual Is as looney as they come..........

and is only rivaled on this thread by the quite insane JIM PHELPS.............


WMM

[gaiacomm]

Gaiacomm aka Lance Haubrick aka Judah Ben-hur aka who knows how many others ...........

Is a little pissed off because he has to deal with TRUTH instead of his daily dose of deluded fiction.........

Chemtrails are no more a fact than Yeti,the Lochness monster,Planet x,or underground alien bases ..........

He will not face his Delusional demeanor head-on or acknowledge that he suffers from a mental deficit disorder..................

Gaiacomm's contribution to this thread is highlighted with these 3 Immortal words ...................................

BLAH BLAH BLAH....................................which is his signature response to stress due to having to face the TRUTH..................

In Other Words This Individual Is as looney as they come..........

and is only rivaled on this thread by the quite insane JIM PHELPS.............


WMM



Blah...Blah.... Blah........

[halva]

The worst of it is that this pathetic little drip, in distinction, e.g. to Raynolds, may actually be sincere.

[stuart_allsop]

I find that attempting to explain to you what I know and understand of the world of Physics will only lead to more discord and missunderstanding. You will continue to react to my answers with the heart and mind of a skeptic. In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing.

Ego will only get in the way of your reasoning skills. By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".

The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have.

You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.

So if you wish to prove the claims are without merit then be my guest and lets see your
equations with dissertation in your own words.

I encourage you to continue to challenge that is how you will learn.Well, that's exactly what I thought you would reply, and demonstrates the precise truth: You really do NOT know what you are talking about. I think it is crystal clear to everyone following here that you have now refused to defend your outrageous calims, twice in a row, and have very carefully (but unsuccsfully) tried to slither away from doing so, while also trying to save face with your transparent comments.

Just five comments here, to make certain that everyone understandw how devious you are:

1) " In short the world owes you nothing and I owe you nothing. ". Wrong. You claim to be a scientist. You published a so-called scientific "paper" on this board. The reason why scientists publish their papers is for one reason only: peer review. I just did a peer review of your paper, pointing out numerous grave problems with it. A true scientist would have thanked me, and either defended each point with proof, or corrected the errors, or withdrawn his paper for editing. You did none of these. Therefore you are not a scientist. Since YOU made the claim, and YOU published the paper here you DO owe us. As any scientists knows, when you publish a paper, the onus is on YOU to defend it and correct it. It is your OBLIGATION to do so. The very fact that you have TWICE declined to do so, is clear concrete proof that you are not what you claim to be, and that your "paper" is worthless techno-babble pseudo-science trash.

2) "By having a dissertation on Maxwell's ideas and equations will only add to your confusion. . I'd LOVE to do discuss Maxwell and his equations with you! When do we start? But first you will need to convince me that you do, in fact, understand Maxwell's equations well enough to be able to debate them. Based on your "paper, your web site, and your comments to date", it is extremely likely that you don't have the foggiest notion of what Maxwell's equations are all about, so I will insist that you furst demonstrate coplete understanding of Maxwell's equations. To prove that you do in fact understand the issues, would you please be so kind as to explain the relationship between Maxwell's equations, Quantum thermodynamis, and General Relativity. No deep detail required. Just something basic, in your own words, to show that you do grasp the underlying principles and concepts.

3) "This is not a Physics debate forum it is a place where people gather and pretend and then run and hide. Something like the game " Hide and Seek".". Really? Is that what you were doing and planning to do? Post your "PRETEND" physics paper, then planning to "RUN AND HIDE" once challenged to defend it? To be honest, I';m sure that is EXACTLY what you were planning to do. But what very CURIOUS behaviour THAT is, for a scientist! (And also a rather obvious cop out.) First time in history that a scientest publishs a paper that he himslef admits to only being a "pretend" paper, then tries to run and hide to AVOID defending it!

4) "The Gaiacomm website is in the public domain and is there for all to see and judge if you may. Your opinion of the facts is just that. You have that right to express your opinion and you have." Well, I DID warn you that you probably would not want me to do an analysis of Gaiacomm again, but since you didn't heed the fair warning, I guess you feel entirely comfortable with the exposure I am about to give you. Exposure in multiple senses of the word...

Before we start with the technical issues, let's look at the company itself, shall we?

4A) How come your corporation has no commercial street address, and apparently works out of a post box?
4B) How come that, after nearly six years in busines, the company has not one single product or service to sell?
4C) How come there have been no advances at all over the last 6 years? How come your web site reads the same today as it did years ago?
4D) How come the job history of the managemnet team is not mentioned, apart from claims that they have "extensive" experience in "myriad" previous companies? Are all of these peopel ashamed of their previous jobs?
4E) How come none of the management team mention their academic history? I mean, several of them claim degrees, but none of them mention the name of the University from which they graduated, the year, etc.
4F) Speaking of jobs, how many people does "Gaiacomm International" employ at present? I mean full time, salaried staff, not those board memebers, advisors, etc. that you list. The reason I ask is because of your web site's grandiose claim that you would be having a "a significant impact on the Jacksonville labor force, creating local employment opportunities for engineers of many disciplines, as well as abundant job opportunities for other non-engineering support positions, including many in high-tech, management and administrative fields." Jacksonville is a big place, with LOTS of people, so in order to make a "significant impact" on the job market, I guess you employ many thousands of people by now, right? And all of you work in that tiny little PO Box?


5). You should have realized by now that I will not directly answer your queations and statements because of the manner of which you ask and your selfish intent. If you were seeking answers then your manner would be different.The manner has nothing to do with it. That is a cop out, a desperate attempt to avoind being forced to asnwer that which you cannot answer. My intent is not selfish: my intent is to expose your "paper" for the fraud it is. There is nothing selfish about it. What was YOUR intent in publishing it?

I AM seeking answers: I want answers to the questions I posed to you, because your claims are false, and the only way you can prove them true is to aswer those questions.

However, since you have REFUSED to answer those questions, twice, when given ample opportunity, you have PROVED that your claims are false. You will not answer them because you CANNOT answer them. There is no answer that you could possibly give without revealing that your paper is, in fact, a scam.

[stuart_allsop]

Frost & Sullivan Honors Gaiacomm International with 2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award


Date Published: 22 Sep 2004




Las Vegas, Nev ? September 22, 2004 ? Frost & Sullivan will recognize Gaiacomm International Corporation, a front-runner in the development of fourth generation (4G) wireless delivery platform, as the recipient of 2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award at tonight?s Excellence in Mobile Communications Awards Banquet. Gaiacomm receives the Award for its determined efforts toward developing the innovative Global Wireless Communications (GWC) Technology for advanced wireless applications.

The inability of third generation (3G) networks to live up to expectations in providing full-fledged broadband services has hampered the progress of sophisticated wireless applications that require speed and reliability. The absence of a robust delivery platform is compelling users to make a leap to 4G networks and this is exactly why Gaiacomm?s GWC venture assumes immense significance.

Gaiacomm?s 4G GWC technology, with its ability to provide increased signal speed and accessibility from literally anywhere on the planet, is expected to fill the void. It promises to deliver high quality, low-cost Internet protocol-based services, fiber-optic wireless connections, and thereby power a highly versatile global wireless communications system that could operate in the terahertz frequency regime.

Potential applications of Gaiacomm?s GWC are enormous and include business-to-business transmission as a ?private? network; service to metropolitan areas where fiber rings are located; and the enabling of access points that provide ultra-high-speed wireless access from the ring to neighboring buildings and businesses located within a radius of 5,000 to 5 million sq surface miles. With such tremendous capabilities, it finds extensive use in military communications, homeland security, and a host of other mission-critical applications.

"Gaiacomm is one of the few survivors of the telecommunications business meltdown, and it is amongst a handful of companies that can boast of a breakthrough technology in its true sense," says Frost & Sullivan research analyst, Sivakumar. "With adequate funding and proprietary technology, Gaiacomm is well poised to expand the accessibility of the GWC technology space and become a major force in this sector."

For being a visionary in wireless communications technology and achieving technical excellence in its chosen field, Gaiacomm is the worthy recipient of Frost & Sullivan?s 2004 Technology Innovation of the Year Award. The Award not only underlines the quality and depth of Gaiacomm?s R&D program, but also its ability to take calculated risks in pursuit of a path-breaking endeavor.

Frost & Sullivan?s Technology Innovation of the Year Award is presented annually to a company that has carried out new research, leading to pioneering innovation that already have or are expected to provide significant changes in the industry in terms of market adoption and competitive landscape.

Held in Las Vegas, Frost & Sullivan?s 2004 Excellence in Mobile Communications Awards Banquet honors world-class companies for outstanding performance and achievements in wireless and mobile strategy, technology, platforms, and services. An annual event, the banquet recognizes the quality and merit of distinguished individuals and companies.

When notified of their selection as the recipient of this year?s Award, Gaiacomm International Corporation President and CEO David H. Horne, Jr. expressed his gratitude and appreciation by saying, "Thanks so much. You have changed our lives forever and given us the credibility we have been seeking and altered our future in a way that simply could not be purchased or achieved otherwise. Dr. Ben-Hur, the physicist and genius behind this technological innovation will be thrilled."

About Gaiacomm International Corporation

Gaiacomm International Corporation was formed to secure contracts with all agencies and entities, private and public sector concerns, for the use of a special venture of high technological significance, the "Global Wireless Communications" Technology. This "GWC" technology primarily deals with a global network of land-based communications systems that use the magnetic field of the earth as a means to carry, reflect, and redistribute the signal, a modulated helix protocol, and a dedicated continuous power output, which will allow the use of newly designed wireless devices that are built around the new wireless protocol. Military communications will be greatly enhanced with a secure band exclusively dedicated for the entire gamut of military operations under water, on land, and in the air, at a reasonable cost. For detailed information, visit www.gaiacomminternational.com.

About Frost & Sullivan

Founded in 1961, Frost & Sullivan is recognized as a global leader in growth consulting. Frost & Sullivan Awards are presented to companies that demonstrate excellence in their industry, commending the diligence, commitment, and innovative business strategies required to advance in the global marketplace. Frost & Sullivan rigorously analyzes specific criteria to determine award recipients in a vast variety of industries. For further information, visit www.frost.com.

Contact:

Stacie Jones
210.247.2450
stacie.jones@frost.comUnresolvable Technical Issues with Gaiacomm's claims.

According to the Gaiacomm web site, Dr. Judah Ben Hur delivered a hypothetical presentation to some unamned hypothetical people at an unamed hyptheritcal event in Las vegas a coupld of years back. In that presentation, he claims to have said the following regarding the resonant cavity between teh Earth's surfafce and the ionoshpere.:

The upper frequency limit of the wave-guide channel is determined by the depressive properties of the ionosphere, which eventually becomes transparent as the frequency is increased at a few megahertz.

There is no lower frequency limit or higher frequency limit. he earth ionosphere wave-guide can support the propagation of radio waves of frequencies as low or as high as desired,

The glaring error is impossible to miss. Firstly Judah says that the ionoshpere becomes transparent to radio waves for all frequencies beyond a few megahertz, then in the very next sentence he says that there is NO upper frequency for the cavity to remain resonant! Oops! Obviously, since the ionosphere is transparent to higher frequencies, then it CANNOT act as a waveguide wall to retain the RF energy, and thus the resonance is lost (as is the signal). At anything above a few MHz., the energy escapes out through the ionoshpere, and is GONE forever ...

So that statement by "Dr." Judah is just plain trash. There IS a limit to the fequency at which radio waves can be contained, and that frequency is just a few MHz. Gaiacomm's "technology" is founded on a lie.

Ooops! Dr .J.! Really! Tsk tsk tsk.. How could you make such a glaring error.?

(... more coming ... watch this space!)

[stuart_allsop]

stuart_allsop:

After reading your claims of facts and statements based on limited info it is clear to me that you have no idea what is at the end of the rainbow. Do you honestly think that someone would or should defend claims that are made by you or anyone else?

I suggest you continue your disection of the gaiacomm claims and post away your rants and concerns and threats that have no merit or substance. This is the internet and we all can come and go as we please and we either can live in OZ or not.

There is nothing to defend on Gaiacomm. You have all of the allowed facts and statements from doing a google search. You will find a diverse assortment of data that may be misunderstood by some and understood by others. Its obvious which group you are with.

The facts that are on the internet is all that is avaliable to the public. You may interpret them in any way you desire. If you wish to know more then ask the internet or be bold.Don't look now, but that looks AWFULLY like you are running scared! :)

So far you have failed to answer some very VERY simple questions. Such as:

1) How many people does Gaiacomm International employ?
2) How come you have no products, no customers, and no funding after nearly six years in operation?
3) How come you operate out of a PO Box, and have no ofices, factories, warehouses, laboratories or any other physical real estate, either rented or owned?
4) How come your web site containes demonstrably false claims?


Answer these truthfully, and I might decide to leave you in peace.

Fail to answer at your own peril.

:)



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QUESTION FOR JAY: DIdn't you debunk Gaiacomm once before, somewhere? I went looking for it, but couldn't find it.
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[stuart_allsop]

stuart_allsop:

Hint: The magnetic field!


http://www.digistar.cl/SR111/index.html
Are you claiming that a magnetic field brought down Swissair Flight SR111 in Halifax? How did you jump to that conclusion? Everyone else seems to think that it was a fire in the cockpit, caused by the IFEN, which had been installed incorrectly and tied into the emergency bus, when it should NEVER have been connected to anything but one of the cabin busses.

[stuart_allsop]

GAIACOMM IS SHRINKING?

According to a recent press releas, this is what Gaiacomm has to say to the FBI: " So far, we seem to be falling on deaf ears because we are a micro company, of unknown notoriety, staffed by unknown persons who are not industry-accepted PhD-s. "

Well well well! Gaiacomm seems to have shrunk from the major corporation that makes a significant impact on the Jacksonville job market, down to a "micro company".

How did that happen, Dr. J?

Not only that, but it looks like Dr Judah Ben Hur really does NOT hold a PhD, after all, despite his claims, and despite his kookpy posts of techno-babble trash What a surprise...

Would you tell us again which university it was that you obtained your PhD from, "Dr." J? Or was it just a diploma mill that you bough it from?

[stuart_allsop]

GAIACOMM IS SHRINKING?

Yup, even the scam is getting smaller:

" Our initial funding request was for you to consider $ 15 MM as a special grant. We have scaled down our proposed prototype, such that it can be constructed within approximately 12 months, and we are asking for $ 2-3 MM to build this model for your review."

Looks like you figure that there is NO WAY that the FBI will EVER give you 15 million, so you figure you'd try for 80% less, and see if they'll bite.

Just a hunch, Dr. J, but my guess is that even if you asked them to flip you a quarter at the parking lot ext, you'd stll get nothing. The FBI is nowehere near as dumb as you imagine! I mean, if I can figure out your scam, without any law enforcement experience whatsoever, then sure as hell the FBI can do it!

Are you SURE that it is a good ide to draw the attention of the FBI to yourself like that? Doesn't sound too smart to me.

[quote] Our CEO and Founder, Mr. Judah Ben-Hur, is expecting a call from you to answer your technical questions, at +1.310.213.1997 (California). Both our VP Finance and I remain available to discuss how we can enter into a funding alliance. My number is (904) 828 - 0340 (Jacksonville, FL).[/quote}

Don't hold you breth, Dr. J.... that call might be a L-O-N-G time in coming... Then again, you might get a call from someone that you did NOT want around... :)

[stuart_allsop]

Yes, that is correct!

Allsop is greatly mistaken. All of that type for nothing and not even an answer!That's OK, Dr. J! Don't sweat it. I never expected an answer! In fact, if you HAD answered those questions with honest, sincere replies, then I would have been quite shocked!

But you didn't, which is precisely what I knew you would do.

You see, scammers, conmen, hoaxsters and trolls NEVER give answers. It is a guaranteed trademark that when one meets a "company" on the web that refuses to answer any questions, than one has discovered a hoax, a con, a scam, or a troll.

Which one are you, Dr. J? Or maybe MORE than one is applicable, in your case?

[stuart_allsop]

Oh, great... whitemajikmushroom is back with his high and mighty attitude...

Evidently, your thesis that power corrupts applies only to others. You are about as fraudulent as they come, Junior.

The Shadow knows enough to dismiss your tripe...
Then how come the shadow did not refute any of WMM's claims? If the shadow knows so much, and thinks that WMM is a fraud, then how come the shadow doesn't ahev the guts to debunk WMMs claims? Maybe it's because the shadow is nothing but a dark, transparent blot on the sidewalk, that I keep on walking over, every time I take a stride?

[stuart_allsop]

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Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, ?So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?
My my! Aren't you good at putting your foot in your mouth? Most grammarians these days would not agree with you. Sentences may well be terminated with a proposition, provided that the grammar is correctly constructed. Of course, kids in school are taught not to do this as a matter of course, since it is not commonly understood by the grammatical simpletons among us, and also because it requires careful crafting to avoid sounding stupid, up with which we will not put. :) (Yoda, a good point had.)


You also seem to resent the fact that my ability to use proper English and syntax is better than that of most people. Do not blame me if you did not pay attention in class and are now a slave to spelling and grammar checkers, which are truly limited in their capabilities.
Hmmm... :) While WMM may not write well, he certainly does get his point across, and rather admirably, I'd say! In general, he leaves you looking pretty poorly.


However, the thesaurus is good in a pinch. Highly regarded authors were using them long before they became a cyber tool.Well, a thesaurus may certainly help a deficient author to find useful synonyms, but it won't do much for grammatical usage, I'm afraid. That requires real linguistic knowledge and understanding. (And yes, it is allowable to build sentences that commences with "that" and "and", despite the opinion of common high school texts. You'll find that the best authors do it regularly but sparingly, and choose their occasions with great care.)


Perhaps the services of a psychiatrist, who specializes in fetishes, would be in order. My my! An adjective clause offset by comas, when it should not have been, if the true intended meaning was to have been retained. Such a basic error. Tsk, tsk.


In Biblical terms, Mr. Reynolds reaps precisely what he sows. So do we all! That was the entire point of the Biblical passage you are referring to: that it applies to all and sundry, regardless.


In closing, allow me to call to your attention that without light, there are no shadows. "This sentence no verb". (Or rather, no discernable predicate.)


Without shadows, there can be no physical realm.Unfortunately, the most famous of all literary works in the entire epoch of written record, does not agree with you. The Bible plainly states that the ultimate ending condition of the physical realm will be one of pure light, with all shadows being totally excluded.

Oops! :)

PS. I didn't bother to use a spell checker on this, since I know how strongly you despise them, so please do excuse the spelling errors.

[stuart_allsop]

You are whining again, Mr. Reynolds. The above terminology is standard in all scientific papers ? even ones you cite as fact.

I do not know which dictionary from where you obtained the definition of "ambiguous." "Admitting of no doubt" did not come from Webster's, which yields:

1. Liable to more than one interpretation
2. Uncertain or indefinite
syns. cloudy, equivocal, nebulous, obscure

There is only one thing that can help you improve yourself, Mr. Reynolds.

The Shadow knows what that is...Well, I'm sure Jay can defend himself from such a silly, immature, one might even say "infantile" attack, but I wanted to usurp the pleasure of exposing a linguistic fraud, all to myself. (Sorry Jay...)

Perhaps, Mr. Shadow, you might make an effort to enhance your reading comprehension skills just a tad before posting such self-embrassing claims as you did here. If you will take the time to peruse the original, you'll find that Mr. Reynolds did not, in fcat, ever say that "Admitting of no doubt" was a dictionary definition for "ambiguous.". Rather, and somewhat amusingly, Mr. Reynolds made it abundantly clear that "Admitting of no doubt" was a dictionary definition for " unequivocally", in which sense Mr. Reynolds proves to be absolutely correct.

Now, weren't you the one sarcastically encouraging others to pay better attention in class? :) Oh dear... How embarassing for you.

But to add insult to injury, I feel it is my linguistic duty to add that, not only did you get the defintion and the term wrong, you also quoted from the WRONG post (strike 2), and added this little gem: " The above terminology is standard in all scientific papers ? even ones you cite as fact." SInce you think this phrase is so terribly common in peer reviewed papers, I challenge you to come up with just five papers from recent editions of respected science journals, where this term has been unequivocally used in the manner you claim. (strrike 3)

And as if we really needed it, you also gave us a grammatical strike four:

"I do not know which dictionary from where you obtained the definition of "ambiguous." That is VERY curios grammar from somone who prides himself thereon! As a matter of interest, the most correct way of phrasing that would, in fact, be "I do not know which dictionary you obtained the definition of 'ambiguous' from, " but that would violate your grade-school rule of never ending a phrase with a preposition, silly as that may be.

In any event, for one who prides himself on his command of the English tongue, you certainly do seem to err disturbingly often.

[stuart_allsop]

GAIACOMM FAILS AGAIN!
====================

Back in August of 2002, or nearly 31 months ago, Gaiacomm published a press release that said this: " The Gaiacomm Corporation mission is to build a working prototype within the next sixteen (16) to eighteen (18) months, as proof that 4G wireless telecommunications is a viable alternative to emerging 3G technologies. .

Well, here we are, many many months beyond the deadline, and still no prototype.

What happened. Dr. J? What went wrong? How come the scam didn't pan out? Were the investors smarter than you expected? DId it turn out that the investors actually DO understand science, and could see clear through your techno-babble trash, at first glance, just like I could?

[jayreynolds]

Stuart, nice responses to much of the prattle that has gone on today. No, I never really took much time debunking any of Gaiacomm's writings, other than identifying him by speaking directly with his supervisor at the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. See, Lance Hubrick was caught issuing public threats on this board towards me from his computer at work. These included threats to sell credit card information to others. The threats were seen by his supervisor and the BIA computer security people, who called me and said they would cooperate in prosecution. Since the credit fraud from a Russian IP was caught by VISA before anything was actually transacted, and the threats stopped immediately, I haven't pursued the matter any further, but all the records are there and ready if he gets out of line again.

Essentially, Lance has debunked himself over time. His impish antics are fool-fodder, fit only for people who usually get what they deserve. Who knows what he must have spent paying Frost and Sullivan for their 'vanity' press release? They do it for hundreds of companies worldwide, many of them scam companies in India, as well as some legitimate work. I hope they stuck him for a big bill, though, which shows how desperate he must be for attention, and what a loser. Rather like going to a cheap whore, except he didn't even get a 'clap'.

None of it is any use whatsoever. He is still a nobody septic tank inspector, riding a road to nowhere fast. Pretty much the same for 'shadow'.

Just internet hoaxes good for a few laughs, then shit-canned like all anonymous fakes are.

Time deals with them as much as anything we can do.

[Yaak]

Right!!! Ignore them. Post over the top of their posts. Let them accustom themselves to the even greater obscurity and disgrace that is to be their lot.

But talk about climate change here. Not chemtrails. Chemtrails are to be addressed off-line, in the real world. Not through the media: either the big media or our internet media.gaiacomm, I am re-posting your orders from Wayne just in case you became distracted by Stuart and missed them. Be a good boy, and do what Uncle Wayne says. Remember, no chemtrails; naughty, naughty, naughty!

[stuart_allsop]

Frost & Sullivan Honors Gaiacomm International with 2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award

Why thanks, Judah! I'd nearly forgotten about those folks. Did you happen to notice that they parrot your fake press release almost verbatim?

For example, how about this beaut!!!!:

"Gaiacomm?s 4G GWC technology ... promises to deliver high quality, low-cost Internet protocol-based services, fiber-optic wireless connections, and thereby power ..."

Wazzat? Come again "FIBER-OPTIC WIRELESS"? he he he he ROTFL! Yup. Sure. Ummm hmm... We'll believe you, just as soon as you tell us how you can make fiber-optic cables go wireless. That sure would be a neat trick! <giggle>

"access points that provide ultra-high-speed wireless access from the ring to neighboring buildings and businesses located within a radius of 5,000 to 5 million sq surface miles
Since when do we measure the radius of a circle in "square surface miles"? For a star physicist, you surely are pretty underwhelming with your basic math and geometry skills... :)

"Gaiacomm ... is amongst a handful of companies that can boast of a breakthrough technology in its true sense," says Frost & Sullivan research analyst, Sivakumar. Well, I guess that "Sivakumar" is really good at quoteing press releases, but not much else. He conveniently fails to menion just what this wonderful "breakthrough technology" is all about.. How strange!

"For being a visionary in wireless communications technology and achieving technical excellence in its chosen field, Gaiacomm is the worthy recipient of Frost & Sullivan?s 2004 Technology Innovation of the Year Award. Strange, but it started out as being the "2004 Wi-Max Technology Innovation of the Year Award" at the start of the page, but somewhere along the way it turned into the "Frost & Sullivan's 2004 Technology Innovation of the Year Award". You'd think that a serious award-giving company would at least manage to keep track of what awards it is giving! I wonder if this turns into the Nobel Peace Prize a little later on?

"Held in Las Vegas, Frost & Sullivan's 2004 Excellence in Mobile Communications Awards Banquet honors world-class ...Stange that they conveniently forget to tell you WHERE it was held in Las Vegas, how many people were there, what other awards were awarded, etc.... I wonder why that is? :)

When notified of their selection as the recipient of this year?s Award, Gaiacomm International Corporation President and CEO David H. Horne, Jr. expressed his gratitude and appreciation by saying, "Thanks so much. You have changed our lives forever and given us the credibility we have been seeking and altered our future [b]in a way that simply could not be purchased]/b] or achieved otherwise. Dr. Ben-Hur, the physicist and genius behind this technological innovation will be thrilled."

Now, why do you think Dr. Home would throw in that comment about the award not having been bought? Hmmmm.... How very curious...

"Founded in 1961, Frost & Sullivan is recognized as a global leader in growth consulting. Frost & Sullivan Awards are presented to companies that demonstrate excellence in their industry, commending the diligence, commitment, and innovative business strategies required to advance in the global marketplace. Frost & Sullivan rigorously analyzes specific criteria to determine award recipients in a vast variety of industries.
Yup. For sure. No doubt...

[halva]

The debunkers are clearly enjoying their holidays. Keep it up, whatever you are saying.

You are obviously talking to each other, and no-one else.

[gaiacomm]

GAIACOMM FAILS AGAIN!
====================

Back in August of 2002, or nearly 31 months ago, Gaiacomm published a press release that said this: " The Gaiacomm Corporation mission is to build a working prototype within the next sixteen (16) to eighteen (18) months, as proof that 4G wireless telecommunications is a viable alternative to emerging 3G technologies. .

Well, here we are, many many months beyond the deadline, and still no prototype.

What happened. Dr. J? What went wrong? How come the scam didn't pan out? Were the investors smarter than you expected? DId it turn out that the investors actually DO understand science, and could see clear through your techno-babble trash, at first glance, just like I could?


Why not call the DR and find out for yourself the answers to your questions? Oh yes that would be to easy!

[gaiacomm]

gaiacomm, I am re-posting your orders from Wayne just in case you became distracted by Stuart and missed them. Be a good boy, and do what Uncle Wayne says. Remember, no chemtrails; naughty, naughty, naughty!




Yes, I know. It's fun to watch idiots play in the mud!

[gaiacomm]

Stuart, nice responses to much of the prattle that has gone on today. No, I never really took much time debunking any of Gaiacomm's writings, other than identifying him by speaking directly with his supervisor at the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. See, Lance Hubrick was caught issuing public threats on this board towards me from his computer at work. These included threats to sell credit card information to others. The threats were seen by his supervisor and the BIA computer security people, who called me and said they would cooperate in prosecution. Since the credit fraud from a Russian IP was caught by VISA before anything was actually transacted, and the threats stopped immediately, I haven't pursued the matter any further, but all the records are there and ready if he gets out of line again.

Essentially, Lance has debunked himself over time. His impish antics are fool-fodder, fit only for people who usually get what they deserve. Who knows what he must have spent paying Frost and Sullivan for their 'vanity' press release? They do it for hundreds of companies worldwide, many of them scam companies in India, as well as some legitimate work. I hope they stuck him for a big bill, though, which shows how desperate he must be for attention, and what a loser. Rather like going to a cheap whore, except he didn't even get a 'clap'.

None of it is any use whatsoever. He is still a nobody septic tank inspector, riding a road to nowhere fast. Pretty much the same for 'shadow'.

Just internet hoaxes good for a few laughs, then shit-canned like all anonymous fakes are.

Time deals with them as much as anything we can do.


Yep, JR and company are still up to there propaganda. Poor lance...

Yes,,,we are a secret CIA project,,,,,,,hahahahahahaha!

[halva]

Raynolds wrote:

'gaiacomm, I am re-posting your orders from Wayne just in case you became distracted by Stuart and missed them. Be a good boy, and do what Uncle Wayne says. Remember, no chemtrails; naughty, naughty, naughty!'

Comment:
Raynolds tactics boil down to two or three monotonously repeated mechanisms.

Am I missing out on something having him on the ignore-list?

The man seems to have forgotten that it was to silence chemtrails discussion that he intervened on this thread. Months ago his victory was acknowledged: we concede that we cannot prove to Raynolds' satisfaction, or the satisfaction of governments and the scientific establishment, that chemtrails exist.

Now Raynolds wants to encourage talk about chemtrails here, seeking to humiliate those I politely discourage from referring to chemtrails on this thread.

The fact is that chemtrails are his bread and butter. Once chemtrails talk disappears from the internet, Raynolds' reason for existence also disappears.

He wants people to keep talking about chemtrails, so that he can threaten to send them to Guantanamo if they talk about chemtrails.

[halva]

EU 'must end love affair with nuclear power'

In an article first published in the Parliamentary Monitor magazine, Green Party MEP Jean Lambert calls on the EU to do more to promote renewable sources of energy.

The news that a sudden jump in global CO2 levels unlinked to industrial emissions has been detected by scientists in Hawaii is devastating. How to provide for peoples’ needs and their supplementary desires in a way that does not destroy our planet is becoming ever more crucial.

If we believe, as a report for the Pentagon has suggested, that climate change will make disruption and conflict "endemic", then we should now be in no doubt that an urgent new approach is needed by the EU on energy policy.

The EU has been a driving force in keeping alive the Kyoto Protocol on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, having set a reduction level of an average eight per cent for the EU15 from 1990 levels, to be achieved over the period 2008 to 2012. This is a modest target. However, even that is not being met for a variety of reasons – one of which is rising demand.

Spain has seven per cent of its electricity needs met by wind power but the growing numbers of mainly British and German citizens retreating to the Spanish Mediterranean coast means extra demand and so no reduction in emissions. Similarly, improving car exhaust emissions means no overall impact on air quality if we have an ever-greater number of vehicles in use.

So reducing demand for fossil fuel energies is crucial to combating climate change, as is increasing electrical production from renewable energies. The EU expects member states to produce 10 per cent of electrical needs from renewables by 2012. The gains in jobs alone could be enormous – Germany currently has about 100,000 people employed in the field while the UK has about 4,000.

However, we are not going to meet those targets without consistent pricing for input to the grid and incentives to improve public uptake. The EU could do some serious work to push "green" training, so that consumers could find qualified plumbers and electricians, for example, to install and maintain solar heating systems and energy efficient condensing boilers.

The EU also has to end its love affair with nuclear power. We are seeing the nuclear industry re-branding itself as environmentally friendly and low emission – unfortunately not in radioactive waste materials – in greenhouse gas emissions over a full life cycle. The chance to drop the preferential treatment of the nuclear industry was only partially won in the new constitutional treaty. The Euratom treaty, which contains a commitment for the EU to "promote" nuclear power is now a protocol so at least you no longer have to sign up to join the union. This is good news for those who opposed Turkish proposals to build a nuclear power plant on an earthquake fault line.

However, the Commission has got to sort out the state companies, like EDF, who have used their nuclear decommissioning money to buy up utilities elsewhere – like in London. This is not a level playing field and makes life more difficult for smaller companies.

The EU has also got to look seriously at introducing green taxes. It could start with taxing aircraft fuel, currently tax free unlike the fuel for cars, buses or trains. Increased air travel is the fastest growing source of gas emissions. The EU needs a comprehensive policy towards reducing air travel. The European parliament's petitions committee is already having to deal with appeals about expanding airports in Madrid, Frankfurt and Amsterdam.

It is clear that across a range of key energy areas, the EU has a significant role to play in promoting a pro-environment agenda in the 25 member states. There is currently a huge variation in approaches, and more can be done to promote a consistent policy that encourages clean sources of fuel and works towards reducing demand.

In Britain, the government promises that tacking global warming will be one of its key priorities when it takes over the EU presidency in the second half of next year. Encouraging sustainable development should form a key part of its strategy, and energy policy has a key role to play within that approach.

Jean Lambert is Green Party MEP for the London region

[jayreynolds]

The EU could do some serious work to push "green" training, so that consumers could find qualified plumbers and electricians, for example, to install and maintain solar heating systems and energy efficient condensing boilers.

Sounds like a 'boondoggle' to me, where this green woman, who probably knows nothing at all about technical matters, will promise money to train people to do work any competent serviceman should have no problem doing already. There is absolutely nothing special about solar heating systems or condensing boilers that an ordinary plumber or electrician can't handle.

Speaking of solar power, I challenge any chemmies to describe how much personal investment they have made towards utilization of solar power THEMSELVES. How many millions of trees have you planted to sequester the carbon dioxide your own lifestyles produce?

I've asked Deborah about this before, and she was unable to respond becuse she had never personally used any 'green' power whatsoever. She lives the typical "green hypocrite" lifestyle, in a totally fossil fueled apartment, heated and airconditioned. Wayne lives the 'apartment house' lifestyle of a fully qualified watermelon hypocrite, by personal choice.

I, on the other hand, built my home with my own hands using the most modern super-insulation, with thermal mass enhanced stone construction, superinsulated using non-freon producing foam insulation comparable to R-50(US standard is R-19). My home uses NO air conditioning because it was designed to be naturally cooled by the foundation slab and 10" thick stone walls, is heated by renewable wood heat, and my farm's water needs have been met by a solar powered water pump for the last twelve years.

I personally have planted thousands of trees on my property which are quickly sucking up all that CO2 and NOx fertilizer Deborah's lifestyle produces, and from which I will selectively cull those which die of natural causes for heat, and eventually cut the balance for lumber to 'sequester' their carbon capture. My family, as a collective, recently planted a 300 acre 'carbon sink' tree farm in south Arkansas, after harvesting a forty-year growth planted at my birth by my grandfather. We are dedicated silviculturists going back three generations.

See, we find that practically all 'greens' are in fact hypocrites decrying others for perceived sins, while themselves guzzling the gas, oil, and coal generated electricity as fast as anyone.
True environmentalists, like myself, take personal responsibility for their environmental impact.

You can bet that Deborah and Wayne want OTHERS to foot the bills for THEIR utopian 'green dream'. They have NEVER sacrificed a bit of their own labor or expense to do anything whatsoever to offset their own extravagant use of resources.

[foot_soldier]

Jay Reynolds wrote:
.....I've asked Deborah about this before, and she was unable to respond becuse she had never personally used any 'green' power whatsoever. She lives the typical "green hypocrite" lifestyle, in a totally fossil fueled apartment, heated and airconditioned.....
Another one of your lies, Reynolds.


Jay Reynolds wrote:
.....You can bet that Deborah and Wayne want OTHERS to foot the bills for THEIR utopian 'green dream'. They have NEVER sacrificed a bit of their own labor or expense to do anything whatsoever to offset their own extravagant use of resources.....
Another absolutely ridiculous distortion.

Sorry, but you don't get to do this anymore without being called on it. You're out of control and I'm just here, for the record, to tell you that.

I know I can't stop you from gratuitously eviscerating people as you seem to thrive on that sort of thing but I can stand up for myself.

[Yaak]

Another one of your lies, Reynolds.


Another absolutely ridiculous distortion.

Sorry, but you don't get to do this anymore without being called on it. You're out of control and I'm just here, for the record, to tell you that.

I know I can't stop you from gratuitously eviscerating people as you seem to thrive on that sort of thing but I can stand up for myself.Then do it. Stand up for yourself. Would you, please, put Jay in his place and describe your "green" life style for us? Show the readers that you are not a hypocrite.

My home is solar powered full time for six months of the year and solar assisted the other six. My propane use is limited to approximately 20 lbs. per year. I drive to town only once per month for supplies. I recycle and re-use. I buy organic produce and almost no meat. My cleaning products are alcohol, baking soda and Castile soap. I confess to using gasoline to move twice per year, but because of that, I need very little heat and no air conditioning. My heat is supplied by burning wood. None of my sewage ever ends up in rivers and streams.

Okay, greenie weenies, let's hear about the contributions you are making to your cause.

[Yaak]

I'm currently listening to the Alex Jones daily rant. He spent the first half hour of the show debunking man made global warming. Maybe Whitemajikman got through to him. Generally, I associate Alex Jones with chemmies, kooks, conspiracy theorists and various other lunatics, and listen infrequently for entertainment purposes only. He was right on the money today, though (so far).

[foot_soldier]

I live the same way I’ve been living for the last 30+ years. Yes, I have heat in winter as it is unavoidable and I don’t own my own home so I can’t modify the heating situation. I do not use air conditioning except under extreme circumstances as I hate air conditioning. In any case I don’t even have it now and that’s fine with me.

I walk everywhere and use public transportation when necessary. I don’t own a car and in fact have never owned a car. I actively support public transportation and think it’s inexcusable that we don’t have a great deal more of it in this country.

I buy most of my clothes at Goodwill and other thrift stores as I always find great stuff and by purchasing from these places I can support their charitable activities. I’ve done this for the last 35 years because I enjoy it.

I recycle as much non-organic waste as possible and whenever possible I offer organic waste to people who can use it for compost. I buy only organic produce and have been primarily vegetarian for the last 30 years. If and when I do eat chicken or fish for the B-12 it is organically raised only. I consciously support local and organic farmers by shopping at farmers’ markets whenever they are open and I take the time to write to organic farmers and food manufacturers to tell them how much I appreciate what they are doing.

I’m very conscious of water use and always have been. I don’t use chemical cleaning products, air fresheners, pesticides or anti-bacterial soaps.

I pay an extra $3.00 on my electric bill every month to support my state’s effort to eventually provide 20% of electricity from solar energy.

Yes, I have a TV and a computer. I have a toaster which I use so rarely I might as well give it away. I have a stove and a refrigerator. There is a dishwasher in my apartment but I don’t use it. In fact I’ve never even opened it. I have an iron and I do use it for my work clothes. That’s it in the appliance department other than a radio/CD player.

I have a small pharmacy of herbal and homeopathic remedies that I use mostly on a preventive basis.

Gee, that’s about it. This is all just fact of life to me, frankly, and it’s not at all difficult. It’s no big sacrifice and I don’t think of it that way. I do the best I can with the resources I have. Most of the people I know live pretty much the same way except that most of them do have cars.

As for “showing the readers that I’m not a hypocrite�, that’s a mandate of your creation, Yaak. It’s ridiculous and uncalled for.

[halva]

Another one of your lies, Reynolds.

Another absolutely ridiculous distortion.

Sorry, but you don't get to do this anymore without being called on it. You're out of control and I'm just here, for the record, to tell you that.

I know I can't stop you from gratuitously eviscerating people as you seem to thrive on that sort of thing but I can stand up for myself.

Deborah, why do you persist in the protest mode with Raynolds?

Just out of curiosity, you know, like......

Why do you assign to him the Daddy role?

I have asked you before privately. Now I ask you publicly.

[halva]

We don't have to engage with this demagogy about ecologists.

At least Europeans don't have to. Do Americans, really?

[gaiacomm]

"We are fighting for the dignity and happiness of human nature. Glorious it is for the Americans to be called by Providence to this post of honour. Cursed and detested will everyone be that deserts or betrays it." – Benjamin Franklin

[Yaak]

As for “showing the readers that I’m not a hypocrite�, that’s a mandate of your creation, Yaak. It’s ridiculous and uncalled for. If a person is "talking the talk" they best be "walking the walk."

Thank you for sharing, Deborah. I don't think you realize it, but I support you. I can't speak for the others on my "side of the fence", but I suspect that at least one of them supports you, also. You appear to be a sincere and concerned person, so why do you associate yourself with hoaxers?

I'm not suggesting that you team up with us. There are many others out there that demand the truth, that you wouldn't find offensive, abrasive or whatever negative characteristics we might have that repel you.

[stuart_allsop]

..
I walk everywhere and use public transportation when necessary. I don?t own a car and in fact have never owned a car. I actively support public transportation and think it?s inexcusable that we don?t have a great deal more of it in this country.Maybe you should come to Santiago, Chile, where public transport is the preferred method of getting around. There are tens of thousands of busses, tens of thousands of "colectivos" (shared fixed-route taxis), tens of thousands of normal cabs.... and the worst smog problem in the world, for several months every year, in winter. All of that stuff runs on diesel fuel, the worst possible air contaminating fuel you could come up with.

You might want to rethink your public transportation concept. China has the right idea: Bicycles!


I buy most of my clothes at Goodwill and other thrift stores as I always find great stuff and by purchasing from these places I can support their charitable activities. I?ve done this for the last 35 years because I enjoy it.Irrelevant. This is related to thrift and charity, but has no relationship at all to the environment.


...and have been primarily vegetarian for the last 30 years.Ooops! So you prefer to be a burden on societies medial capacity in your old age, then to eat a little meat every know and then to stay healthy? Strange...


I pay an extra $3.00 on my electric bill every month to support my state?s effort to eventually provide 20% of electricity from solar energy.You should move to Chile, where a large chunk of all electrial power comes from hydroelectric schemes.


I have a small pharmacy of herbal and homeopathic remedies that I use mostly on a preventive basis.Well, you could save an awful lot of money right there, by scrapping that trash, which would also help the enviroment: All those useless packages require energy and raw materials to make. You DO know that homeopathy is one of the biggest scams in the world, don't you? It's the most expensive dirty water in the world!

[gaiacomm]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men and Women are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men and Women, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[stuart_allsop]

"Cursed and detested will everyone be that deserts or betrays it." ? Benjamin Franklin You mean like people who invent fake companies, come up with fake technologies, publish fake press releases, and try to scam their own governemt for millions of dollars? Yep, I can see how you would get upset about people like that. They really should be cursed and detested, for betraying humanity like that. Good point. Do you know anyone like that, Dr. J?

[stuart_allsop]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men and Women are created equal,

... except for those who are born scammers, hoaxsters, and conmen...

[quot]... that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. [/quote] Hmmm... nothing in there about "the right to commit fraud"... so why are you posting it, Dr. J?


--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men and Women, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Yep. Some of those powers include the right to prosecute conmen. Did you know that?


--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; ... and ndeither shall they be scammed by the uncouth trash of society...


and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. and also to aboilsh scammers, hoaxsters, conmen, and frauds...


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.Just as it is the right, the DUTY of law enforcement to prosecute scammers, hoaxsters, conmen, and frauds to the greatest possible extent of the law.

Great quote, Judah! Why did you bring it up?

[gaiacomm]

Young man I can appreciate your remarks and that is your right. The reason I do not respond to your claims is not that I am hiding behind deciet its because you are not willing to understand.

You seem to poke fun and make mockery of subjects you do not understand. The fact that you see it a duty for you to expose gaiacomm and chemtrails is a waste of time, but again that is your right.

You select facts that fit your own agenda and it serves no purpose.

What you seek is not on the internet. When doing diligence on a downed aircraft there is no room for error. All of the facts must be accounted for and the time needed is never a factor. It must take as much as needed to get all of the facts in order then begin to sort and put the pieces together to create a moment in time.

I will not debate with you not out of fear but out of consideration for you and your lack of judgement and concern of things you do not wish to understand. It is evident that whatever I respond to you, you will always respond with an opposite response. I never liked ping pong.

So in short if it please you to post claim on Gaiacomm so be it! You have the contact info on the company so contact them directly. If you wish to know the truth then go to the source....but that is not your wish to do. You like to play as a child would in a sandbox of fear and mistrust of the facts. Always people who wish to go a new way always meet the ones along the way who are fearful of a new road because of the lack of FAITH!

[gaiacomm]

Young Man: Why did I bring this up? Because of what is happening now:
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[gaiacomm]

Young man maybe this will make better sense to you:

"Strange times are those in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool" - Plato

"And those who perform jihad for us, we shall certainly guide them in our ways, and God is surely with the doers of good." (Quran XXXIX; 69)

"You have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad." (Hadith)

[Yaak]

Maybe you should come to Santiago, Chile, where public transport is the preferred method of getting around. There are tens of thousands of busses, tens of thousands of "colectivos" (shared fixed-route taxis), tens of thousands of normal cabs.... and the worst smog problem in the world, for several months every year, in winter. All of that stuff runs on diesel fuel, the worst possible air contaminating fuel you could come up with.

You might want to rethink your public transportation concept. China has the right idea: Bicycles!Our big cities are not much different. They exist in a deadly cloud of spent Diesel fuel.

China is quickly moving to the personal automobile.





Irrelevant. This is related to thrift and charity, but has no relationship at all to the environment.I am inclined to disagree with you. We dump used clothing into land fills, here. Even though we try to give it away, there is still a surplus. New fabrics, whether natural or artificial, consume energy to manufacture and their manufacture is a source of chemical pollution.





Ooops! So you prefer to be a burden on societies medial capacity in your old age, then to eat a little meat every know and then to stay healthy? Strange...Since I have a similar diet, I would greatly appreciate an explanation of this statement.





You should move to Chile, where a large chunk of all electrial power comes from hydroelectric schemes.What are your plans for when the glaciers that feed your hydroelectric schemes are gone?





You DO know that homeopathy is one of the biggest scams in the world, don't you? It's the most expensive dirty water in the world!
I agree. There are many herbs, however, that are beneficial. The best idea is to raise them yourself.

[gaiacomm]

Pedro de Valdivia, founder of Santiago and Chile's first governor
Courtesy Embassy of Chile, Washington

Chile's first known European discoverer, Ferdinand Magellan, stopped there during his voyage on October 21, 1520. A concerted attempt at colonization began when Diego de Almagro, a companion of conqueror Francisco Pizarro, headed south from Peru in 1535. Disappointed at the dearth of mineral wealth and deterred by the pugnacity of the native population in Chile, Almagro returned to Peru in 1537, where he died in the civil wars that took place among the conquistadors.

The second Spanish expedition from Peru to Chile was begun by Pedro de Valdivia in 1540. Proving more persistent than Almagro, he founded the capital city of Santiago on February 12, 1541. Valdivia managed to subdue many northern Amerindians, forcing them to work in mines and fields. He had far less success with the Araucanians of the south, however.

Valdivia (1541-53) became the first governor of the captaincy general of Chile, which was the colonial name until 1609. In that post, he obeyed the viceroy of Peru and, through him, the king of Spain and his bureaucracy. Responsible to the governor, town councils known as cabildos administered local municipalities, the most important of which was Santiago, which was the seat of a royal audiencia (see Glossary) from 1609 until the end of colonial rule.

Seeking more precious metals and slave labor, Valdivia established fortresses farther south. Being so scattered and small, however, they proved difficult to defend against Araucanian attack. Although Valdivia found small amounts of gold in the south, he realized that Chile would have to be primarily an agricultural colony.

In December 1553, an Araucanian army of warriors, organized by the legendary Mapuche chief Lautaro (Valdivia's former servant), assaulted and destroyed the fort of Tucapel. Accompanied by only fifty soldiers, Valdivia rushed to the aid of the fort, but all his men perished at the hands of the Mapuche in the Battle of Tucapel. Valdivia himself fled but was later tracked down, tortured, and killed by Lautaro. Although Lautaro was killed by Spaniards in the Battle of Mataquito in 1557, his chief, Caupolicán, continued the fight until his capture by treachery and his subsequent execution by the Spaniards in 1558. The uprising of 1553-58 became the most famous instance of Araucanian resistance; Lautaro in later centuries became a revered figure among Chilean nationalists. It took several more years to suppress the rebellion. Thereafter, the Araucanians no longer threatened to drive the Spanish out, but they did destroy small settlements from time to time. Most important, the Mapuche held on to their remaining territory for another three centuries.

Despite inefficiency and corruption in the political system, Chileans, like most Spanish Americans, exhibited remarkable loyalty to crown authority throughout nearly three centuries of colonial rule. Chileans complained about certain policies or officials but never challenged the regime. It was only when the king of Spain was overthrown at the beginning of the nineteenth century that Chileans began to consider self-government.

Chileans resented their reliance on Peru for governance, trade, and subsidies, but not enough to defy crown authority. Many Chilean criollos (creoles, or Spaniards born in the New World) also resented domination by the peninsulares (Spaniards, usually officials, born in the Old World and residing in an overseas colony), especially in the sinecures of royal administration. However, local Chilean elites, especially landowners, asserted themselves in politics well before any movement for independence. Over time, these elites captured numerous positions in the local governing apparatus, bought favors from the bureaucracy, co-opted administrators from Spain, and came to exercise informal authority in the countryside.

Society in Chile was sharply divided along ethnic, racial, and class lines. Peninsulares and criollos dominated the tiny upper class. Miscegenation between Europeans and the indigenous people produced a mestizo population that quickly outnumbered the Spaniards. Farther down the social ladder were a few African slaves and large numbers of native Americans.

The Roman Catholic Church served as the main buttress of the government and the primary instrument of social control. Compared with its counterparts in Peru and Mexico, the church in Chile was not very rich or powerful. On the frontier, missionaries were more important than the Catholic hierarchy. Although usually it supported the status quo, the church produced the most important defenders of the indigenous population against Spanish atrocities. The most famous advocate of human rights for the native Americans was a Jesuit, Luis de Valdivia (no relation to Pedro de Valdivia), who struggled, mostly in vain, to improve their lot in the period 1593-1619.

Cut off to the north by desert, to the south by the Araucanians, to the east by the Andes Mountains, and to the west by the ocean, Chile became one of the most centralized, homogeneous colonies in Spanish America. Serving as a sort of frontier garrison, the colony found itself with the mission of forestalling encroachment by Araucanians and by Spain's European enemies, especially the British and the Dutch. In addition to the Araucanians, buccaneers and English adventurers menaced the colony, as was shown by Sir Francis Drake's 1578 raid on ValparaÃ*so, the principal port. Because Chile hosted one of the largest standing armies in the Americas, it was one of the most militarized of the Spanish possessions, as well as a drain on the treasury of Peru.

Throughout the colonial period, the Spaniards engaged in frontier combat with the Araucanians, who controlled the territory south of the RÃ*o BÃ*o-BÃ*o (about 500 kilometers south of Santiago) and waged guerrilla warfare against the invaders. During many of those years, the entire southern region was impenetrable by Europeans. In the skirmishes, the Spaniards took many of their defeated foes as slaves. Missionary expeditions to Christianize the Araucanians proved risky and often fruitless.

Most European relations with the native Americans were hostile, resembling those later existing with nomadic tribes in the United States. The Spaniards generally treated the Mapuche as an enemy nation to be subjugated and even exterminated, in contrast to the way the Aztecs and the Incas treated the Mapuche, as a pool of subservient laborers. Nevertheless, the Spaniards did have some positive interaction with the Mapuche. Along with warfare, there also occurred some miscegenation, intermarriage, and acculturation between the colonists and the indigenous people.

[jayreynolds]

Yes, I have heat in winter as it is unavoidable.
Damn right it's unavoidable. Damn right you use fossil fuel to do so. So don't go round miss high-and-mighty complaining about others who are doing EXACTLY what your hypocrite lifestyle turns out to be doing.




I pay an extra $3.00 on my electric bill every month to support my state’s effort to eventually provide 20% of electricity from solar energy.

Turns out Deborah is paying THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM allowed under the Arizona Public Service 'Solar Partner' program. She COULD be buying ALL her power that way, but instead she CHOSE TO ONLY BUY 15 killowatt hours/month. It's enough to run her CD player every day, and THAT'S IT.

Well, Deborah, I've got you beat. I use produce more solar power for my own water pump system. The big difference between me and you is that I MADE THE INVESTMENT MYSELF. I MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AND I OWN IT, and have acrued the benefit for over ten years.


Gee, that’s about it. This is all just fact of life to me, frankly, and it’s not at all difficult. It’s no big sacrifice

Sound like almost no sacrifice at all, Deborah.
You run your entire household(except for that CD player) with non-renewable fossil fuel.
You chose to power the entire balance of your "green" hypocrite lifestyle using non-renewable fossil fuel!
SHAME SHAME SHAME!

Oh, and lest we forget, to hear her tell her 'facts of life', sounds like she's never planted a tree in her entire life.

[stuart_allsop]

I am inclined to disagree with you. We dump used clothing into land fills, here. Even though we try to give it away, there is still a surplus. New fabrics, whether natural or artificial, consume energy to manufacture and their manufacture is a source of chemical pollution.Good point. I stand corrected.


Since I have a similar diet, I would greatly appreciate an explanation of this statement.Man is designed to run on a balanced and varied diet. If you stop eating any particular class of foods, you run a major risk of suffering deficiencies in one or another type of necessary nutrient. Totally eliminating animal products is as just as bad as totally eliminating plant products. Trying to obtain all your requirements from plants alone means that you are missing several trace nutrients only found in animal products, and you need to make those up from artifical supliments, or suffer the consequences. You are also short-changing your body on proteins and fats, and over-charging it with carbohydrates and sugars. Even though some vegetable products are rich in proteins (nuts, legumes, etc.) you need to consume much larger quantities than you would if you were to eat meat occasionally, and that tends to overload your digestive system: it spends many more hours per day working than it needs to. In short, you do your body no good at all by entirely eliminating all animal products, and unless you are very careful in keeping track of what nutrients you are missing and making up for them with suplements, you run the risk of falling ill far more often then you need to.

Yes, there really are some very good reasons to cut back a bit on red meats and carbohydrates to a certian extent, but there are NO good reasons to entirely eliminate all animal products.


What are your plans for when the glaciers that feed your hydroelectric schemes are gone?Huh? What are you talking about? What glaciers? We don't get our hydroelectrica water from glaciers! We get it from SNOW! Remember the Andes mountain range over there, alongside Chile? Some of the highest peaks in the world! They get an awful lot of snowfall in winter, which then melts again in summer, and heads back to the sea as water. As long as it keeps on snowing on the high Andes, we will have hydroelectric power. We also have geothermal too, on a small scale. Some talk about wind, wave and solar as well, but mostly hydroelectric. No glaciers required.



I agree. There are many herbs, however, that are beneficial.True, but that's herbal. I don't have anything against properly conducted herbal medication, based on careful scientific research. Rather, my beef is with homeopathic trash, which is a huge scam, and should be banned as such. If most people who take homeopathic remedies would think through the logic for a couple of minutes, they'd see just how badly yhey are being scammed, and think about just how much they are paying for those bottles of water!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

I have heard it all now. Suddenly the global warming sham monger Jay Reynolds is off carping about how he is combating CO-2 global warming via his tree planting, solar energy systems and super insulated house.

I guess this means he absolutely believes in global warming due to man-made sources, else he would not be spending his own big oil bucks on lowering CO-2 emissions.

Jay Reynolds now sounds schizophrenic, with all this support of protecting the planet from CO-2 -- even to the point of planting more trees.

How quickly he seems to shift shapes as he was down in the Caribbean burning the lard from oil refining in huge GE jet turbine systems and covering the planet with CO-2.

Not to mention these two diesel heavy Mercendes oil hog Cars he likes to brag about. Guess he is trying to get all that black smog seen in Chile to move up to Ark.


If we looked up the impacts of nutty Jay Reynolds on the CO-2 impact of the planet---it would likely be more like the total from an entire city of fossil fuel users. I suppose he now feels guilty for doing this------and is despirately attempting to dismiss his dismal past of the oil fields.


As usual, nutty debunker Jay Reynolds has tossed all reason and logic to the winds. But the story of his continual crabbing that global warming is nature----while at the same time spending big bucks on solar systems and low energy houses seems to say he is most disingenous----but most of all that he admits global warming and CO-2 are man-made problems.


What is worse is that as the air heats up from all the rise of CO-2 concentration, also going up is both the water evoporation rates and the water suspension in air. So, when we get some interesting catalysists in the form of jet planes----we get more clouds made-----the jet routes making for acid rain depositions on land----and more intense storms.


I do wonder how much all the CO-2 that Jay Reynolds was pumping into the air of the Caribbean resulted in the hot spot discontunuities that would come to form hurricanes that devastated folks in the US East Coast.

Lies on top of more lies just don't speak well for Jay Reynolds and his carping majic.


What remains is that everyone is allowed to think about the issues of global warming, think about the rise of the India and China effects as they enter a more intense industrial world using coal burning. Everyone needs to raise the world awareness of the growing problems from global warming. Three dollars on an electric bill helps. People entering public decision processes help.

India and China can help by using fluidized bed coal combustion and also co-location of the power plants to make use of the excess heat. India and China both need to carefully consider population control methods, as overpopulation only makes the problems worse. Even the Pope needs to come around off his flat Earth methods lingering in Catholicism.

Yes, and even solar water pumps and energy efficient housing efforts help. Persons like Jay Reynolds would be much better received and accomplish much more by selling these methods----than all his nonsense of wasting internet electrons attempting to say jet plane air pharmacopgy methods don't exist.

Jet plane cloud seeding exists-------just as Jay Reynolds admissions that he does recognize the CO-2 problem is man-made and even spends his own oil dollars on the problems.

But, since he can't seem to think straight and organize himself effectively toward helping the planet and others---he appears schitzo.

IMHO,
is

[foot_soldier]

Jay Reynolds wrote:
.....Damn right you use fossil fuel to do so. So don't go round miss high-and-mighty complaining about others who are doing EXACTLY what your hypocrite lifestyle turns out to be doing.....
I don't believe I've ever "complained" about what others are doing. All I've ever tried to convey is that all of us would do well to consider where it is that we could each cut back on our use of fossil fuels and on the amount of waste we generate. Once again, you are grossly distorting and misrepresenting me, and once again, I am calling you on it.

As for what you "own" and "invest in", I'm sure most of us could do very well in the alternative energy department if we had the income you seem to have from your oil industry investments. You never fail to let it drop that you are quite well-off. Well good for you, Jay. You are obviously used to having complete control of your life and the people in it. More power to you.

It's time to leave this frat house. There is not one speck of kindness, understanding or receptivity in here. Everybody wants to control everything. Only an abject masochist would stay here at this point.

Have fun guys.

[stuart_allsop]

Young man... He he he! Coming from you, kiddo, that's a real hoot!


The reason I do not respond to your claims is not that I am hiding behind deciet its because you are not willing to understand.Of course I'm willing to understand! Why do you think I asked all those questions? For example, I'd REALLY like to understand how you can cram broadband data transmission at your claimed rate of terrabyte per second, into your claimed frequency spread of 28 cycles per second! To do that, you'd need to have a data compression scheme capable of compressing hundreds of billions of bits into one bit, which is clearly impossible. So I'd like to understand how you achieve the impossible. That's what I'd like to understand. PLease do go ahead and explain it. (Prediction: NEVER! At all costs you MUST avoid exoplaing this point!)


You seem to poke fun and make mockery of subjects you do not understand.Oh, on the contrary, I understand them perfectly! That's why I poke fun at those who dont, and mock those who pretend to!

Speaking of which, weren't about to give us a lecture on the relationship between Maxwell's equations, quantum thermodynamics, and special relativity, if I'm not mistaken? You can start any time you are ready. But please do be prepared to defend what you say...


The fact that you see it a duty for you to expose gaiacomm and chemtrails is a waste of time,Not at all! It keeps my acid sarcasm skills honed to a fine cutting edge, and provides amusement to those of us who do understand science, meteorology, aviation, etc. We love watching conmen kooks roasting on the spit, as we slice them finely in thin slivers.

Speaking of which, weren't you about to tell us about your Alma Mater?


You select facts that fit your own agenda and it serves no purpose. NO, I select the facts that best expose the hoax, and it serves a wonderful purpose: to expose the hoax.


What you seek is not on the internet.No kidding! It isn't anywhere else, either, is it? Because what I seek is the company called Gaiacomm International, and that just doesn't exist at all in reality. It only lives as a figment of wild imagination in some twisted mind, somewhere.


When doing diligence on a downed aircraft there is no room for error. All of the facts must be accounted for and the time needed is never a factor. It must take as much as needed to get all of the facts in order then begin to sort and put the pieces together to create a moment in time.Very good! You finally got something right! That's exactly what they did with SR111, and it took them years to trace the cuase back to the illegal installation of the IFEN wiring, which caused a cockpit fire in the overhead panel and the rear bulkhead, which wiped out all of the electrical systems entirely, and killed hundreds of people. It only took them two years to figure that out. And it only tokk me two minutes to figure out that Gaiacomm is a fake.


I will not debate with you not out of fear but out of consideration for you and your lack of judgement Nice try! But that is such an OBVIOUS cop out that you aren't even fooling your own alter egos!

The fact remains that the REAL reason you will not debate about Gaiacomm and its "technology", is because you CANNOT debate it. There just isn't anything there to debate! It's all one big fake, Judah. A scam. You might as well admit it. Even the FBI has it figured out.


It is evident that whatever I respond to you, you will always respond with an opposite response.Nope! If you respond with the truth, the I'l agree with you, and that will be that. But we all know that the chances of that are about as close to zero as you can get.


So in short if it please you to post claim on Gaiacomm so be it!Nope, they are not CLAIMS, judah, they are the TRUTH! And you clearl do know it. If not, you would already have defended them. The fact that you don't even try is absolute screaming proof that I am right.


You have the contact info on the company so contact them directly. If you wish to know the truth then go to the source....That's what I'm doing, right now. I'm chatting to the source on a message board at Arianna's, but I'm not getting any answers that I didn't know already...


Always people who wish to go a new way always meet the ones along the way who are fearful of a new road because of the lack of FAITH!Whoops! There you go again, blowing all your credibility to any claim as a scientist! Any scientis will tell you that science has NOTHING at all to do with faith and belief. Science works DESPITE what you believe, not BECAUSE of it.

And that's a pretty tired old cliche that conspiracy kooks love to drag around, talking about how new ideas always meet with terrible resistance, and likening themselves to some of the great men of science.... the trouble is that the kooks just cannot figure out that this is the exact wya that science is SUPPOSED to work. ALL new ideas are SUPPOSED to be met with extreme skepticIsm, simply in order to test their merit! Any idea that cannot stand up to the piercing scrutiny of hte scientific method is clearly worthless. Exactly like Gaiacomm.

And that is the REAL reason why you refuse to debate, because you KNOW that your trashy pseudo science just cannot stand even a tiny bit of scrutiny before it falls apart in tattered shreds.

Of course, we all know that no matter what I say you will ALWAYS refuse to debate ANYTHING on yoru web site, so I'm under no ilusions that this glaring exposure of your true colors will actually lead you to admit your scam, but it sure is fun to hold your feet to the candle every now and then, and watch you squeal as you desperately try to squirm away from the heat of scientific scrutiny. Too bad that you have backed yourself so far into that corner that there just is no escape... :) he he he!

[stuart_allsop]

Pedro de Valdivia, founder of Santiago and Chile's first governor
Courtesy Embassy of Chile, Washington .Very good, Judah! Congratualtions! You just proved that you actualyl CAN do research, anc come up with facts! Now, if only you'll aply that to Gaiacomm'c secret "helix protocol", you might be able to figure out what a silly hoax it is!

[stuart_allsop]

Hi All,

I have heard it all now. Suddenly the global warming sham monger Jay Reynolds is off carping about how he is combating CO-2 global warming via his solar energy systems and super insulated house.Strange, but I didn't see Jay mention CO2 in there anywhere... What I DID see is that he's doing his solar-power thing for any even better reason: to save MONEY and to not waste fossil fuels, because they are not renewable. Very admirable.

[stuart_allsop]

It's time to leave this frat house. There is not one speck of kindness, understanding or receptivity in here. Everybody wants to control everything. Only an abject masochist would stay here at this point.

Have fun guys.
Bye. Good riddance. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link.

(Nice to find yet another kook that couldn't take the heat in this kitchen. They are all the same: big words and grandiose claims, but as soon as you turn on the heat with real science, true logic, reason, and common sense, they just duck and run for cover.)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well Allsops is back with deeper and deeper lies. He gets further and further out on those limbs till they just break off.

He just fell on his head again and it has only added to his mania.

Lets do a little case in point here on the missing Allsops logic, beginning with an Allsops quote:

"Strange, but I didn't see Jay mention CO2 in there anywhere... What I DID see is that he's doing his solar-power thing for any even better reason: to save MONEY and to not waste fossil fuels, because they are not renewable. Very admirable."

Now a Jay Reynolds quote on planting trees that happened with his bragging on house and lands:

" I personally have planted thousands of trees on my property which are quickly sucking up all that CO2 and NOx fertilizer Deborah's lifestyle produces, and from which I will selectively cull those which die of natural causes for heat, and eventually cut the balance for lumber to 'sequester' their carbon capture. My family, as a collective, recently planted a 300 acre 'carbon sink' tree farm in south Arkansas, after harvesting a forty-year growth planted at my birth by my grandfather. We are dedicated silviculturists going back three generations. "


Now, let us apply the vapid logic methods of Allsops which now appear to claim that Reynolds is planting trees to save money and conserve oil. While Reynolds is speaking plainly on sucking up CO-2 here. Plus, I have never seen a person that drives a Mercendes, let along two of them, worry at all about heating costs or give a damn about oil conservation. Persons with 50 mpg Hondas, yes. Oil guzzling Mercedes -- no way.

Ah yes, your excessive combative brain damage is your only projection on this list.

Perhaps we need to term your rhetoric and combative form of insanity, because you sure can't seem to deal with reality of Reynolds speaking clearly about CO-2. And on top of all that, I would bet you have never taken a course in plasma physics or worked in the area of Plama or Fusion Energy methods using plasma.

And it shows with your constant non-sense on plasmas being a mirror to all RF energies----and we all know those satelittes and space craft sure get through the mirror of the ion layers. Which means you don't have a clue as to why the HAARP system uses around 60 Mhz to do its games, and likewise how the Woodpecker systems have similar frequecy choices.

Until Allsops gets some learning on plasma, he is just an uneducated bag of hot air. Allsops is a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers. And don't expect others to teach you the sciences of plasma----your are not worth the time. Your just a video and computer hacker with no common sense, who apparently can't even read and follow an information thread on even simple issues.

Allsops is a person with combattive disorders from constantly falling on his head from his sawing off tree limbs from under his insane proclamations.

Perhaps you need to go sniff up some more diesel vapors----so go cling onto Reynold's exhaust pipe----it can't hurt your toxic brain or fat head!

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Deborah, why do you persist in the protest mode with Raynolds?
Just out of curiosity, you know, like......
Why do you assign to him the Daddy role?
I have asked you before privately. Now I ask you publicly.

Deborah knows "chemtrails" are a hoax, Wayne.

She feels guilty about it, and is compelled to respond because of it.

[Yaak]

Man is designed to run on a balanced and varied diet. If you stop eating any particular class of foods, you run a major risk of suffering deficiencies in one or another type of necessary nutrient. Totally eliminating animal products is as just as bad as totally eliminating plant products. Trying to obtain all your requirements from plants alone means that you are missing several trace nutrients only found in animal products, and you need to make those up from artifical supliments, or suffer the consequences. You are also short-changing your body on proteins and fats, and over-charging it with carbohydrates and sugars. Even though some vegetable products are rich in proteins (nuts, legumes, etc.) you need to consume much larger quantities than you would if you were to eat meat occasionally, and that tends to overload your digestive system: it spends many more hours per day working than it needs to. In short, you do your body no good at all by entirely eliminating all animal products, and unless you are very careful in keeping track of what nutrients you are missing and making up for them with suplements, you run the risk of falling ill far more often then you need to.

Yes, there really are some very good reasons to cut back a bit on red meats and carbohydrates to a certian extent, but there are NO good reasons to entirely eliminate all animal products.
Thank you, Stuart. Yes, I agree. I eat animal products daily. As I have aged, I seem to have cut back on meat consumption automatically. At the ripe old age of 57 I am down to approximately 1.5 lbs. per week of mostly range fed poultry. I eat plenty of fresh trout in the summer. The combinations of rice & beans, and peanuts & sunflower seeds provide the entire spectrum of amino acids. They are a large part of my diet along with other whole grains.




Huh? What are you talking about? What glaciers? We don't get our hydroelectrica water from glaciers! We get it from SNOW! Remember the Andes mountain range over there, alongside Chile? Some of the highest peaks in the world! They get an awful lot of snowfall in winter, which then melts again in summer, and heads back to the sea as water. As long as it keeps on snowing on the high Andes, we will have hydroelectric power. We also have geothermal too, on a small scale. Some talk about wind, wave and solar as well, but mostly hydroelectric. No glaciers required.
My misunderstanding. I had concluded that Chile's hydroelectric set-up would be the same as Peru's. Peru depends on the steady flow of melting glaciers to provide year around water for electricity generation. Their glaciers are permanently melting, supposedly reducing their power generation capabilities during months of the year following snow melt. Peru's situation might be different than Chile's because of its proximity to Earth's equator. Then again it could just be more greenie-weenie propaganda.:D

[jayreynolds]

Actually, Jimbo, the solar power pump is as much of a convenience thing as any other reason, for me. After experiencing life in the third world, with frequent power outages not letting me enjoy free use of water, sometimes for months at a time, I sought an independent supply. Now, when storms cause an outage, I can shower along comfortably, knowing I have my 1500 gallons stored up there on top of the mountain, stored there by the sun.


While Reynolds is speaking plainly on sucking up CO-2 here.
Actually, Jimbo. The tree farm is an income generator as well as my Grandfather's pet project.
Back in the fifties, the idea of a "tree farm" in Arkansas was novel. I remember running through those pines when they were about 5-10 years old. Forty years later, they were massive shafts harvested, with the proceeds dedicated to sending the children of us twelve cousins to college.
The replanting has gone along well, and college funds are growing for the next generation.


Oil guzzling Mercedes -- no way.
Jimbo, those 300 turbo diesels are built like nazi tanks, but they still get 30 mpg just like the day they were made, 21 and 22 years ago, respectively. I bought the '84 since it has about 100,000 miles less than the '83, and they both started this week at zero degrees, even with the block heaters unplugged.

I have no complaint with energy conservation, in fact I've found it saves money!
Proper insulation makes your house more comfortable!

I do have a problem with hypocrites who want to force others to limit their own and their children's futures through unfounded fearmongering, while making it clear they aren't willing to set their own house in the same order.

Wouldn't everybody feel the same?

I also have a problem with you making endless claims, then when called on to name names, show proof, or otherwise show yourself approved, fall flat.

Have any idea the sort of things I'm talking about there Jimbo?

For instance, you keep making all these claims about this and that in jet fuel, about how you designed haarp and invented "chemtrails", how you know Jews at Oak ridge national Laboratory who assassinated , JFK, where is the proof of any of that?

Name some names, show us some proof, be a real whistleblower, Jimbo.
What are you really waiting on?

[Yaak]

Bye. Good riddance. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link.

(Nice to find yet another kook that couldn't take the heat in this kitchen. They are all the same: big words and grandiose claims, but as soon as you turn on the heat with real science, true logic, reason, and common sense, they just duck and run for cover.)"the weakest link." ??? Huh? She was the only honest, sincere, conscientious and sane one here; the only one that admitted chemtrails didn't exist; in fact, the one that showed what was actually happening in the atmosphere.

Oh, wait....now I get it. You mean the weakest link in their chain; their chain of dishonesty and deception. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised that the hoaxters didn't run her off a long time ago.

So long, Deborah. Good luck. You know you have made the right decision. I'm sure you will be able to find a group of like minded folks out there.

[jayreynolds]

As for what you "own" and "invest in", I'm sure most of us could do very well in the alternative energy department if we had the income you seem to have from your oil industry investments

Total Investment in solar pumping system
Pump controller=$50
Yes, cost of pump=$300
cost of solar panel=$700
cost of 1000' piping=can't remember
cost of my 3 weeks hand labor digging
1000 ft ditch through rocks& trees up that mountain= priceless

Ever dig a 1000 ft ditch a foot deep through rocky ground by hand, Deborah?
Ever roll a 1500 gallon water tank foot by foot up a hill by hand, Deborah?
No, you are the hypocrite who spends 10 cents a day on solar energy for her CD player,
so she can brag about how green she is.

Oh, and for the record:
I used to own 30 shares of Hess Oil stock.
Dividend checks were about twenty dollars.
I sold it.
Current value of Jay Reynold's oil Industry investments= none whatsoever

Bye, Deborah.
Some day you'll come back begging for forgiveness.
Keep watching that mirror like I always told you.

[jayreynolds]

"the weakest link." ??? Huh? She was the only honest, sincere, conscientious and sane one here; the only one that admitted chemtrails didn't exist.

You missed her act a few years ago. Deborah slipped quietly and smoothly from actively stating that "chemtrails" are a reality, into a sort of neverland where she thought she could hang onto the idea of "chemtrails", especially among a 'certain group' and at the same time post articles showing that ordinary contrails have exactly the same attributes.

THAT is not being honest, sincere, or conscientious. It is being quite the opposite.

The honest, sincere, and conscientious Deborah hasn't yet shown herself.
THAT Deborah will denounce her former cohorts, and her previous promotion of the chem-cult, and help many others escape it's grip. Until she does, she's going to continue to feel like shit.

I stil predict that one day she will look in that mirror and see what she has become.

[Yaak]

You missed her act a few years ago.You are right, I did. When I came on the scene Deborah was already doing a bang-up job of debunking chemtrails at Carnicom's. I thought that Deborah and I were the best chemtrail debunkers Cliff never knew he had.:D

When Chem11 and Sorethroat finally caught on to me, they ignored Deborah. I found that to be strange but never said anything. I got the impression that she was doing the same thing I was: trying to help everyone understand what was really happening in the sky. I was the biggest fool of all, though, because I hadn't yet realized that Cliff's kids didn't want to know.

[stuart_allsop]

Well Allsops is back with deeper and deeper lies.he he he! Nice try! No lies, as we shall see, very shortly...


He gets further and further out on those limbs till they just break off.Sorry to dissapoint you, but you are not even close... A we shall see shortly...


Lets do a little case in point here on the missing Allsops logic, beginning with an Allsops quote:Excellent idea! Let's do that!


"Strange, but I didn't see Jay mention CO2 in there anywhere... What I DID see is that he's doing his solar-power thing for any even better reason: to save MONEY and to not waste fossil fuels, because they are not renewable. Very admirable."



And just to make sure that we are all on the right page here, let's also quote the entire post in question, authored by Jay. Here it is:





Originally Posted by foot_soldier
Yes, I have heat in winter as it is unavoidable.


Damn right it's unavoidable. Damn right you use fossil fuel to do so. So don't go round miss high-and-mighty complaining about others who are doing EXACTLY what your hypocrite lifestyle turns out to be doing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborah Stark
I pay an extra $3.00 on my electric bill every month to support my state?s effort to eventually provide 20% of electricity from solar energy.


Turns out Deborah is paying THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM allowed under the Arizona Public Service 'Solar Partner' program. She COULD be buying ALL her power that way, but instead she CHOSE TO ONLY BUY 15 killowatt hours/month. It's enough to run her CD player every day, and THAT'S IT.

Well, Deborah, I've got you beat. I use produce more solar power for my own water pump system. The big difference between me and you is that I MADE THE INVESTMENT MYSELF. I MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AND I OWN IT, and have acrued the benefit for over ten years.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Deboarh Stark
Gee, that?s about it. This is all just fact of life to me, frankly, and it?s not at all difficult. It?s no big sacrifice


Sound like almost no sacrifice at all, Deborah.
You run your entire household(except for that CD player) with non-renewable fossil fuel.
You chose to power the entire balance of your "green" hypocrite lifestyle using non-renewable fossil fuel!
SHAME SHAME SHAME!

Oh, and lest we forget, to hear her tell her 'facts of life', sounds like she's never planted a tree in her entire life.
__________________
Contrails, or 'Trails-CON?
A website reviewing the facts and the claims about the Contrails/Chemtrails controversy
by Jay Reynolds
http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/



Well, there you have it. The entire post, and not one single mention of CO2, just like I said...

Now, what was it you were saying about lying?

{quote]Now a Jay Reynolds quote on planting trees that happened with his bragging on house and lands:[/quote]Yup. He did say that, but not in the post we are talking about here. Why did you feel the need to mislead everyone, but dragging in a post that was never in question? Some people would consider that just plain dishonest.


Now, let us apply the vapid logic methods of Allsops which now appear to claim that Reynolds is planting trees to save money and conserve oil. While Reynolds is speaking plainly on sucking up CO-2 here.No no no no no... not at all. You seem to be just a little mentally muddled there, so let's go back and look at what Jay really said, in the post that we are actually talking about here (not the one that YOU think we should be talking about): "The big difference between me and you is that I MADE THE INVESTMENT MYSELF. I MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AND I OWN IT, and have acrued the benefit for over ten years."Well, that sure sounds like money-talk to me!

So tell me again, what was it you were saying about people going out on alimb and falling on ther heads? :) How very embarassing for you! You really should chek your facts BEFORE you post, so taht you don;t end up looking so sheepishly foolish and red-faced when reality proves you wrong!

Sorry!

[stuart_allsop]

And it shows with your constant non-sense on plasmas being a mirror to all RF energies----You are totally right! But actually it was Dr. Judah Ben Hur and his fellow nut jobs at Gaiacomm who made the claim that you are riducling here, not me. Their words, not mine. They say EXACTLY what you and I both agree is "non-sense". They claim that the ionosphoere is a mirror to all RF energy, at all frequencies. Pretty kooky, isn't it? I'm glad you brought that up. Kind of clears the air a bit about the fraudulent Dr. J.


and we all know those satelittes and space craft sure get through the mirror of the ion layers.Yep! They sure do, don't they?. At the several GHz. frequencis that satellites use, the ionosphere is actually totally transparent. Which is totally contrary to what Dr J. wants you to believe....


Until Allsops gets some learning on plasma, he is just an uneducated bag of hot air. Ummm... well, as I already pointed out, you had mixed up my posts with Dr. J's claims, so it seems entirely fitting that you and I both agree that Dr J. is "just an uneducated bag of hot air" who is also "a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers". Couldn't have said it better myself!

Thank you for supporting my position about Gaiacomm and Dr. J!

:)

[halva]

I don't believe I've ever "complained" about what others are doing. All I've ever tried to convey is that all of us would do well to consider where it is that we could each cut back on our use of fossil fuels and on the amount of waste we generate. Once again, you are grossly distorting and misrepresenting me, and once again, I am calling you on it.

As for what you "own" and "invest in", I'm sure most of us could do very well in the alternative energy department if we had the income you seem to have from your oil industry investments. You never fail to let it drop that you are quite well-off. Well good for you, Jay. You are obviously used to having complete control of your life and the people in it. More power to you.

It's time to leave this frat house. There is not one speck of kindness, understanding or receptivity in here. Everybody wants to control everything. Only an abject masochist would stay here at this point.

Have fun guys.

If Deborah has left us now she is only doing what I suggested doing months ago.

There are other better regulated and moderated forums where she can continue making her highly valuable and informative postings, and I hope she does so.

The Raynolds sadism game that was going on here in relation to Deborah was an obscenity.

It was embarrassing. And a indictment of the liberal-democratic pluralism of this forum which did not (and does not) censor it.

[halva]

Well Allsops is back with deeper and deeper lies. He gets further and further out on those limbs till they just break off.

He just fell on his head again and it has only added to his mania.

Lets do a little case in point here on the missing Allsops logic, beginning with an Allsops quote:

"Strange, but I didn't see Jay mention CO2 in there anywhere... What I DID see is that he's doing his solar-power thing for any even better reason: to save MONEY and to not waste fossil fuels, because they are not renewable. Very admirable."

Now a Jay Reynolds quote on planting trees that happened with his bragging on house and lands:

" I personally have planted thousands of trees on my property which are quickly sucking up all that CO2 and NOx fertilizer Deborah's lifestyle produces, and from which I will selectively cull those which die of natural causes for heat, and eventually cut the balance for lumber to 'sequester' their carbon capture. My family, as a collective, recently planted a 300 acre 'carbon sink' tree farm in south Arkansas, after harvesting a forty-year growth planted at my birth by my grandfather. We are dedicated silviculturists going back three generations. "


Now, let us apply the vapid logic methods of Allsops which now appear to claim that Reynolds is planting trees to save money and conserve oil. While Reynolds is speaking plainly on sucking up CO-2 here. Plus, I have never seen a person that drives a Mercendes, let along two of them, worry at all about heating costs or give a damn about oil conservation. Persons with 50 mpg Hondas, yes. Oil guzzling Mercedes -- no way.

Ah yes, your excessive combative brain damage is your only projection on this list.

Perhaps we need to term your rhetoric and combative form of insanity, because you sure can't seem to deal with reality of Reynolds speaking clearly about CO-2. And on top of all that, I would bet you have never taken a course in plasma physics or worked in the area of Plama or Fusion Energy methods using plasma.

And it shows with your constant non-sense on plasmas being a mirror to all RF energies----and we all know those satelittes and space craft sure get through the mirror of the ion layers. Which means you don't have a clue as to why the HAARP system uses around 60 Mhz to do its games, and likewise how the Woodpecker systems have similar frequecy choices.

Until Allsops gets some learning on plasma, he is just an uneducated bag of hot air. Allsops is a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers. And don't expect others to teach you the sciences of plasma----your are not worth the time. Your just a video and computer hacker with no common sense, who apparently can't even read and follow an information thread on even simple issues.

Allsops is a person with combattive disorders from constantly falling on his head from his sawing off tree limbs from under his insane proclamations.

Perhaps you need to go sniff up some more diesel vapors----so go cling onto Reynold's exhaust pipe----it can't hurt your toxic brain or fat head!

IMHO,
is

Thank you for holding the fort against these imbeciles, Jim. The quotes from them that you post are all the input from them that I want or need.

[gaiacomm]

Young man I can appreciate your remarks and that is your right. The reason I do not respond to your claims is not that I am hiding behind deciet its because you are not willing to understand.

You seem to poke fun and make mockery of subjects you do not understand. The fact that you see it a duty for you to expose gaiacomm and chemtrails is a waste of time, but again that is your right.

You select facts that fit your own agenda and it serves no purpose.

What you seek is not on the internet. When doing diligence on a downed aircraft there is no room for error. All of the facts must be accounted for and the time needed is never a factor. It must take as much as needed to get all of the facts in order then begin to sort and put the pieces together to create a moment in time.

I will not debate with you not out of fear but out of consideration for you and your lack of judgement and concern of things you do not wish to understand. It is evident that whatever I respond to you, you will always respond with an opposite response. I never liked ping pong.

So in short if it please you to post claim on Gaiacomm so be it! You have the contact info on the company so contact them directly. If you wish to know the truth then go to the source....but that is not your wish to do. You like to play as a child would in a sandbox of fear and mistrust of the facts. Always people who wish to go a new way always meet the ones along the way who are fearful of a new road because of the lack of FAITH!


Ping.....Pong!

[gaiacomm]

You are totally right! But actually it was Dr. Judah Ben Hur and his fellow nut jobs at Gaiacomm who made the claim that you are riducling here, not me. Their words, not mine. They say EXACTLY what you and I both agree is "non-sense". They claim that the ionosphoere is a mirror to all RF energy, at all frequencies. Pretty kooky, isn't it? I'm glad you brought that up. Kind of clears the air a bit about the fraudulent Dr. J.

Yep! They sure do, don't they?. At the several GHz. frequencis that satellites use, the ionosphere is actually totally transparent. Which is totally contrary to what Dr J. wants you to believe....

Ummm... well, as I already pointed out, you had mixed up my posts with Dr. J's claims, so it seems entirely fitting that you and I both agree that Dr J. is "just an uneducated bag of hot air" who is also "a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers". Couldn't have said it better myself!

Thank you for supporting my position about Gaiacomm and Dr. J!

:)


stuart_allsop

I see that you have not done your homework. Gaiacomm for one has not been around for 6 years as you claim for one. And Gaiacomm is using TeraHertz as the RF carrier....the paper on the internet is a precourse work to understanding the governing dynamics of the Physics of using the Earth as a transponder....and the Magnetic field as the waveguide. The Ionosphere is but a step into understanding the various RF signatures that are created with conventional GHz equipment. This includes landbase as well as SATS. Oh yes and submarine cables as well.

Giving you too much information is like giving a child access to nuclear weapons while he is angry with his parents for not letting him watch TV.

[gaiacomm]

stuart_allsop

I am sure glad that you do not work for the NTSB. Your facts are not correct and you react more than respond! Do you honestly think that someone would take your rants and demands seriously? This is a Forum for pretenders and those that wish to know.

Halva came here with the true intent to inform others of a climate problem and all you can do is make fun. Well you are being slowly posioned by your own ignorance and waste. What a talent being wasted on the internet and saying nothing. Pointing fingers and hiding his own truth. If we could watch you, what would you not want known about you? You see you cannot hide secrets in the dark for long. Where you live is not that far and money and patience can move mountains. Information is more important than gold. And in your case you are nothing more than a IP address that surfs until you find a place to land for awhile and then find more.

The power you have is only in your piss stream!

[halva]

Actually I had thought that Stuart Allsop had realised the error of his ways: that there was a question of religion eating at him, and that he had understood the way to find answers to it - to the extent this can be done on internet - is by person to person discussion by mutual consent, not by spamming in forums where many of the participants have no respect at all for, or interest in, what one says.

It seems has not realised any such thing.

So much the worse for him, and for anyone to whom his communications are still getting through.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A recent Allsop's quote:

===

" You are kidding, right? Let me get this straight: You are actually claiming that radar systems that are designed to REFLECT their energy off the ionosphere, are actually NOT refelcting their energy, but having it absorbed by the ionisphere (which means that the OTH radar would not work at all), and in addition to the above, you are also saying that this tiny, miniscule, insignifcant amount of energy somehow overwhelms the vast torrents of energy that are flooding the ionosphere naturally, all the time, such as solar radiation, cosmic radiation, gamma radiation, etc.? Are you REALLY saying this? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

You really don't have a clue as to the unimaginably huge amounts of energy that are involved in atmospheric physics, do you? What you are saying here is that Man, with his puny little OTH radar transmitters, canl totally change the characteristics of the ionosphere. That is exactly the same as saying that one kid on the beach, peeing in the surf, will totally change the characteristics of the entire ocean. "

====

Now a more recent citiation from Allsops:

=====

Originally Posted by Insurrectionchemistry
And it shows with your constant non-sense on plasmas being a mirror to all RF energies----

You are totally right! But actually it was Dr. Judah Ben Hur and his fellow nut jobs at Gaiacomm who made the claim that you are riducling here, not me. Their words, not mine. They say EXACTLY what you and I both agree is "non-sense". They claim that the ionosphoere is a mirror to all RF energy, at all frequencies. Pretty kooky, isn't it? I'm glad you brought that up. Kind of clears the air a bit about the fraudulent Dr. J.

Quote:
and we all know those satelittes and space craft sure get through the mirror of the ion layers.

Yep! They sure do, don't they?. At the several GHz. frequencis that satellites use, the ionosphere is actually totally transparent. Which is totally contrary to what Dr J. wants you to believe....

Quote:
Until Allsops gets some learning on plasma, he is just an uneducated bag of hot air.

Ummm... well, as I already pointed out, you had mixed up my posts with Dr. J's claims, so it seems entirely fitting that you and I both agree that Dr J. is "just an uneducated bag of hot air" who is also "a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers". Couldn't have said it better myself! "

=====

So, now we have it in Allsop's own words that he fails to understand and respond properly to the issues of Woodpecker's frequecy agile systems on the ionosphere reflection and absorption factors. Allsops words falander and flounder in failing to show he understands plasma effects in the very very cold upper atmosphere's ionization.

Allsop's lay knowledge of plasma sciences fails to acknowledge that the upper atmosphere's ion layers are frequency dependent in absorption or reflection of HF and VHF radio waves.

What is worse, when he failed to consider this effect and was instead talking pure non-sense on the heat absorption on the Earth's surface of radio waves----it confimed his lay person idiot's science.

The real science on HAARP is about heating up the very very cold and very very thin (low total mass) ionized atmosphere with RF heating of ions. Something that is very very applicable to these regions and part of the active project of HAARP.

When Allsop's and his gangster lay science mafia fail to grock that simple concept they also totally scew up the related concepts of the polar concentration of the greenhouse gases like HF and CO2 via the Earth's magnetic field effects and the Sun's ionization of these molecules that cause their pulling of higher concentrations of these gases to the polar regions.

Just the same as HAARP uses its megawatts of RF power to heat these cold upper regions, a very like effect happens from these IR absobing gases over the poles. The higher concentrations of these IR gases over the poles produce a higher heating effect or a differential heating effect over the poles. Which increases the ice melt factors.

Allsops and his lay mafia show conclusively they fail to understand the issues of ion / plasma science and cold upper atmosphere heating as applied with HAARP research and like sciences applied to the effects of polar warming effects from concentration of the IR absorbing greenhouse gases.

Both effects are very similar and the Allsops mania folks all miss the simple associations. Allsops and his mindless followers are blind to the real issues of atmospheric heating sciences and their total blindness seeks to have all that follow their non-sense over a cliff to impinging doom.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A recent quote from diesel filter Allsops of Chile:

====

"Well, there you have it. The entire post, and not one single mention of CO2, just like I said...

Now, what was it you were saying about lying?"

====


Allsops can't seem to keep up with simple conversations and my comments on Jay Reynolds speaking to helping the CO-2 problems with trees. Is it any wonder he cannot keep up with scientific discussions, when he can't even handle simple references to list commentary?

Allsops purpose in life seems to be in the form of sucking up diesel vapors down there in Chile. He is an excellent useless eater and breather, and a good method of air remediation. Which is why Reynolds seems to like using him as a catalytic converter on his diesel's tail pipe.

With each toxic breath of disel fumes Allsop's brain has become all the smaller and his head too large for his tiny shrunken brain cell remainders.

In the world of science he would be called a pin-head.

Even in the world of his religion delerium. Allsops can't even define the problems of religion linked to the issues of the "Star" and the "Cross" and the false claims between "god" and "God." Allsops is not even able to differentiate between anti-Christ and Christ---which pretty much makes him a very lowly person.

Allsops is about promoting lies on all counts, religion, atmosphere science, HAARP.

IMHO,
is


The entire quote of Jay Reynolds' ranting on CO2---house---trees that "is" was making comment about, and the one that manic blind Allsops can't seem to even read before he renders another of his lying non-sense commentary:

====
""" Quote:
Originally Posted by halva
The EU could do some serious work to push "green" training, so that consumers could find qualified plumbers and electricians, for example, to install and maintain solar heating systems and energy efficient condensing boilers.


Sounds like a 'boondoggle' to me, where this green woman, who probably knows nothing at all about technical matters, will promise money to train people to do work any competent serviceman should have no problem doing already. There is absolutely nothing special about solar heating systems or condensing boilers that an ordinary plumber or electrician can't handle.

Speaking of solar power, I challenge any chemmies to describe how much personal investment they have made towards utilization of solar power THEMSELVES. How many millions of trees have you planted to sequester the carbon dioxide your own lifestyles produce?

I've asked Deborah about this before, and she was unable to respond becuse she had never personally used any 'green' power whatsoever. She lives the typical "green hypocrite" lifestyle, in a totally fossil fueled apartment, heated and airconditioned. Wayne lives the 'apartment house' lifestyle of a fully qualified watermelon hypocrite, by personal choice.

I, on the other hand, built my home with my own hands using the most modern super-insulation, with thermal mass enhanced stone construction, superinsulated using non-freon producing foam insulation comparable to R-50(US standard is R-19). My home uses NO air conditioning because it was designed to be naturally cooled by the foundation slab and 10" thick stone walls, is heated by renewable wood heat, and my farm's water needs have been met by a solar powered water pump for the last twelve years.

I personally have planted thousands of trees on my property which are quickly sucking up all that CO2 and NOx fertilizer Deborah's lifestyle produces, and from which I will selectively cull those which die of natural causes for heat, and eventually cut the balance for lumber to 'sequester' their carbon capture. My family, as a collective, recently planted a 300 acre 'carbon sink' tree farm in south Arkansas, after harvesting a forty-year growth planted at my birth by my grandfather. We are dedicated silviculturists going back three generations.

See, we find that practically all 'greens' are in fact hypocrites decrying others for perceived sins, while themselves guzzling the gas, oil, and coal generated electricity as fast as anyone.
True environmentalists, like myself, take personal responsibility for their environmental impact.

You can bet that Deborah and Wayne want OTHERS to foot the bills for THEIR utopian 'green dream'. They have NEVER sacrificed a bit of their own labor or expense to do anything whatsoever to offset their own extravagant use of resources. """

====

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208490



There is only one thing that can help you improve yourself, Mr. Reynolds.
The Shadow knows what that is...

A good woman like Diane Harvey?
A larger monitor?
Who's your daddy?

I doubt that you would know what to do with a woman, Mr. Reynolds. Assuming that you are even married, it is more than likely that any female would at least agree with you on one thing. How disappointed she would be to learn that you could indeed be equipped with something larger – but it would not be a monitor.

To be quite blunt, in my opinion, a bull’s-eye tattooed to your forehead would make a great improvement to your appearance.

The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of Jay Reynolds and what would constitute justice...

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208670



Oh, great... whitemajikmushroom is back with his high and mighty attitude...

Evidently, your thesis that power corrupts applies only to others. You are about as fraudulent as they come, Junior.

The Shadow knows enough to dismiss your tripe...

Then how come the shadow did not refute any of WMM's claims? If the shadow knows so much, and thinks that WMM is a fraud, then how come the shadow doesn't ahev the guts to debunk WMMs claims? Maybe it's because the shadow is nothing but a dark, transparent blot on the sidewalk, that I keep on walking over, every time I take a stride?

I said that the boy is a fraud and I did not ask the opinion of an even bigger fraud, Mr. Allslop. Take away you, Mr. Reynolds, and all the rest of the goons that are backing him up, and he will run screaming for his mama. He is on your side only because of the approval that you have heaped upon him in a conniving manner. Whitemajikmarker is just another opinionated creep who parrots his handlers by taking the extreme position and willfully forcing the issue.

I have no intention of playing your game of “dueling scientific reports.� People should be allowed to make their own decisions without being subjected to the vicious mind games that are being pulled off on this board by you zealots who are obsessed to the point of psychosis with your Vioxx-quality truth. It is interesting to note that all I did in the beginning was to respond to this evil and I became an instant “chemmie.� That says volumes about the actual force that is driving your mentality.

Mr. Allslop, while you are at it, I have a suggestion for you. I think that it would be fitting to have your screen name changed to “Bullwinkle,� as in “Mr. Know-it-All.� I have yet to observe a topic on which you are not an authority. I would love to see your interaction with a real genius, such as Michio Kaku.

The Shadow moves every time you take a stride, so it is likely that you will actually find dog shit on one or both of your shoes...

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208676



Were you ever taught in school to not end a sentence with a preposition? Your initial sentence should have read, ?So, Shadow, are you beginning to see the true natures of the people with whom you have allied yourself?

My my! Aren't you good at putting your foot in your mouth? Most grammarians these days would not agree with you. Sentences may well be terminated with a proposition, provided that the grammar is correctly constructed. Of course, kids in school are taught not to do this as a matter of course, since it is not commonly understood by the grammatical simpletons among us, and also because it requires careful crafting to avoid sounding stupid, up with which we will not put. (Yoda, a good point had.)

Because I have rarely seen so much obvious garbage in one place – all of it – I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your “reasoning� as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams. Also, she laments the fact that there indeed exist faculty members who are plagued with personality disorders identical to yours. Some people cannot handle their education.

Mr. Allslop, you are a buffoon. That you consider yourself a devout Christian is a slap in the face to God. You must have skipped the part in the Bible that condemns as a deadly sin your unwarranted and extreme pride and love of self. It is a shame that you do not afford the same level of pride in your work. In my opinion, you would be doing the world a big favor by taking a week or two to climb Aconcagua and then make the descent in a matter of seconds.

[stuart_allsop]

Ping.....Pong!

...pong... PING! 21-0. Whitewash!


Young man... He he he! Coming from you, kiddo, that's a real hoot!


The reason I do not respond to your claims is not that I am hiding behind deciet its because you are not willing to understand.Of course I'm willing to understand! Why do you think I asked all those questions? For example, I'd REALLY like to understand how you can cram broadband data transmission at your claimed rate of terrabyte per second, into your claimed frequency spread of 28 cycles per second! To do that, you'd need to have a data compression scheme capable of compressing hundreds of billions of bits into one bit, which is clearly impossible. So I'd like to understand how you achieve the impossible. That's what I'd like to understand. PLease do go ahead and explain it. (Prediction: NEVER! At all costs you MUST avoid exoplaing this point!)


You seem to poke fun and make mockery of subjects you do not understand.Oh, on the contrary, I understand them perfectly! That's why I poke fun at those who dont, and mock those who pretend to!

Speaking of which, weren't about to give us a lecture on the relationship between Maxwell's equations, quantum thermodynamics, and special relativity, if I'm not mistaken? You can start any time you are ready. But please do be prepared to defend what you say...


The fact that you see it a duty for you to expose gaiacomm and chemtrails is a waste of time,Not at all! It keeps my acid sarcasm skills honed to a fine cutting edge, and provides amusement to those of us who do understand science, meteorology, aviation, etc. We love watching conmen kooks roasting on the spit, as we slice them finely in thin slivers.

Speaking of which, weren't you about to tell us about your Alma Mater?


You select facts that fit your own agenda and it serves no purpose. NO, I select the facts that best expose the hoax, and it serves a wonderful purpose: to expose the hoax.


What you seek is not on the internet.No kidding! It isn't anywhere else, either, is it? Because what I seek is the company called Gaiacomm International, and that just doesn't exist at all in reality. It only lives as a figment of wild imagination in some twisted mind, somewhere.


When doing diligence on a downed aircraft there is no room for error. All of the facts must be accounted for and the time needed is never a factor. It must take as much as needed to get all of the facts in order then begin to sort and put the pieces together to create a moment in time.Very good! You finally got something right! That's exactly what they did with SR111, and it took them years to trace the cuase back to the illegal installation of the IFEN wiring, which caused a cockpit fire in the overhead panel and the rear bulkhead, which wiped out all of the electrical systems entirely, and killed hundreds of people. It only took them two years to figure that out. And it only tokk me two minutes to figure out that Gaiacomm is a fake.


I will not debate with you not out of fear but out of consideration for you and your lack of judgement Nice try! But that is such an OBVIOUS cop out that you aren't even fooling your own alter egos!

The fact remains that the REAL reason you will not debate about Gaiacomm and its "technology", is because you CANNOT debate it. There just isn't anything there to debate! It's all one big fake, Judah. A scam. You might as well admit it. Even the FBI has it figured out.


It is evident that whatever I respond to you, you will always respond with an opposite response.Nope! If you respond with the truth, the I'l agree with you, and that will be that. But we all know that the chances of that are about as close to zero as you can get.


So in short if it please you to post claim on Gaiacomm so be it!Nope, they are not CLAIMS, judah, they are the TRUTH! And you clearl do know it. If not, you would already have defended them. The fact that you don't even try is absolute screaming proof that I am right.


You have the contact info on the company so contact them directly. If you wish to know the truth then go to the source....That's what I'm doing, right now. I'm chatting to the source on a message board at Arianna's, but I'm not getting any answers that I didn't know already...


Always people who wish to go a new way always meet the ones along the way who are fearful of a new road because of the lack of FAITH!Whoops! There you go again, blowing all your credibility to any claim as a scientist! Any scientis will tell you that science has NOTHING at all to do with faith and belief. Science works DESPITE what you believe, not BECAUSE of it.

And that's a pretty tired old cliche that conspiracy kooks love to drag around, talking about how new ideas always meet with terrible resistance, and likening themselves to some of the great men of science.... the trouble is that the kooks just cannot figure out that this is the exact wya that science is SUPPOSED to work. ALL new ideas are SUPPOSED to be met with extreme skepticIsm, simply in order to test their merit! Any idea that cannot stand up to the piercing scrutiny of hte scientific method is clearly worthless. Exactly like Gaiacomm.

And that is the REAL reason why you refuse to debate, because you KNOW that your trashy pseudo science just cannot stand even a tiny bit of scrutiny before it falls apart in tattered shreds.

Of course, we all know that no matter what I say you will ALWAYS refuse to debate ANYTHING on yoru web site, so I'm under no ilusions that this glaring exposure of your true colors will actually lead you to admit your scam, but it sure is fun to hold your feet to the candle every now and then, and watch you squeal as you desperately try to squirm away from the heat of scientific scrutiny. Too bad that you have backed yourself so far into that corner that there just is no escape... :) he he he!

...pong... PING! 21-0. Whitewash! (Now I see why you don;t like ping pong: you just aren't very good at it! :) )

[jayreynolds]

Halva came here with the true intent to inform others of a climate problem and all you can do is make fun. !

No, not true. Wayne Hall opened this thread with an invitation to "honest open debate" about his claim that geoengineering by "chemtrails" "is already occurring". He lost the debate, called for the banning of his opposition, and in the past 400+ pages of the thread has been unsucessfully trying to change the subject, and pretending that he doesn't read anything the opposition writes, as we continue to massacre him in debate.

Faced with such obfuscation, yes, we make fun of him, his incredibly false hoax, and his wacko friends.

Get over it.

[jayreynolds]

To be quite blunt, in my opinion, a bull’s-eye tattooed to your forehead would make a great improvement to your appearance.
Internet bluster from a powerless Diane Harvey.
Bring it on.

[gaiacomm]

No, not true. Wayne Hall opened this thread with an invitation to "honest open debate" about his claim that geoengineering by "chemtrails" "is already occurring". He lost the debate, called for the banning of his opposition, and in the past 400+ pages of the thread has been unsucessfully trying to change the subject, and pretending that he doesn't read anything the opposition writes, as we continue to massacre him in debate.

Faced with such obfuscation, yes, we make fun of him, his incredibly false hoax, and his wacko friends.

Get over it.


I understand JR. But with all of your knowledge is it not possible for at least 1% truth of Chemtrails data?

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

Because I don't defend my turth at this moment does not mean that it is not true. What seems to be only seems that way.

My position is firm until that time. This forum is not the place to discuss 4G wireless communications and besides according to JR Lance does not have that knowledge so why continue to ask questions? Why not ask the Dr. himself? You are smart enough to go directly to the source after all your investigative skills are very good you just need to better them.

Science and Religion in my opinion are one of the same, they both seek TRUTH.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay Reynolds roving vapid commentary:

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" I also have a problem with you making endless claims, then when called on to name names, show proof, or otherwise show yourself approved, fall flat.

Have any idea the sort of things I'm talking about there Jimbo?

For instance, you keep making all these claims about this and that in jet fuel, about how you designed haarp and invented "chemtrails", how you know Jews at Oak ridge national Laboratory who assassinated , JFK, where is the proof of any of that?

Name some names, show us some proof, be a real whistleblower, Jimbo.
What are you really waiting on? "
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I am just waiting on Reynolds and his crime syndicate to finish up incriminating themselves.

I never turn down a little advertising on the JFK issues, so all be sure and read the page on JFK at http://www.doewatch.com/jfk.html and the related one http://www.doewatch.com/jb.html

All, take note that if Jay Reynolds could read that one of the prime players from Oak Ridge is named in the JFK write up. And we can see that Reynolds really can't even read or follow very clear data on what all was involved on the JFK hit.


Jay Reynolds likes to portay himself as the lead investigator on all things----from acid rainmaking lines in the skis due to jets----even to his need to play criminal JFK investigator and take over the FBI and DOJ's role.


Perhaps Jay Reynolds needs to call up the FBI at the Hoover Building in Washington and offer his criminal expertise. Most all the Special Agent guys and gals that know the JFK issues are there. I am sure they would like to hear that Jay Reynolds is accomplished in rock busting and ditch digging. The FBI likes those tallents. Or that his other great accomplishment is burning lard in turbines. Or rolling around 1,500 gal tanks up hills someplace and his costing analysis omiting the tank's cost. Stolen?

Or that he likes to stalk climate activists clear to the point of detailing their residences. Do you also ride by and read their garbage at the curb also. In that Nazi tank vehicle?

Jay Reynolds can also relate to them how he is allied with this Jewish Mason that likes to impersinate and do identity theft of Jim Phelps in his eternal need to worship Jay Reynolds and play up the drug culture world of medicine.

Can you do this right away? I am sure the FBI would like your coming forward, even to their Little Rock offices.

Shall we tell them to expect you?

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

The FBI does not have interest or jurisdiction over me or what I do. I answer to a different authority.

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

To discuss Maxwell's Ather equations would require you to first have an understanding of the basic ideas of Physics. I can see from your posts that you have not reached that goal. You are too quick to judge and make claim without stepping back and seeing the whole picture. You also are afraid to step outside the box of knowledge. The questions you ask are so sophomoric in nature that it places me in the state of ennui.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The Reynolds Games Highlighted:

I found it interesting in the Chemtrails Central survey that Reynolds only made comment of the aluminum issue, while he omitted that the survey seemed to take great merit of the titanium problems.

If Jay Reynolds and his crime syndicate can't seem to grock the issues of climate change experiments using HAARP to effect the ion layers heating or the similar heating effect of the sun of these high layers with increased concentrations of the IR absorbing gases----then they will find it impossible to comment on these higher level sciences involving titanium.

We have all seen that the oceans are being affected with acid rain, as are the land masses. In the oceans and the land mass there is the sulfuric, the hydrochloric, and the hydrogen-fluoride acid (HF) problems. The HF problems dominate because it is a cumulative poison. When it rains into the oceans, the algae pick it up, the krill concentrate that, and the whales end up with lots of fluoride poisoning. The ocean algaes are also the largest of the CO-2 sinks. Do we wonder why these whales are dying? Whales are the cows of the oceans. On land cows eat the acid fall out and get sick with mad cow effects over time. In the oceans the whales end up being the ones eating indirectly the green stuff of the oceans.

Then we get into the issues of the AlFx problems of these rising fluoride poisons in the oceans and on the lands. AlFx is a G-protein trigger that highly affects the lymph node dendritic cells. Vaccines use aluminum adjuvants to affect these dendritic cells to help the immune system memory. These very same methods are being triggered by the acid rain triggering aluminum releases into the water and food chain-----and this compounded with the fluoride-metal complex termed AlFx.

Yes, these Jet plane rain making effects with acid rain are making for effects just like vaccines cause to humans. Which can be very bad.

Add to this effect that fluorides in the environment and in people upset the trace metals balances with essential metals like manganese and we have a much better look at the formula for why HIV is so transmissable.


So, in the Chemtails Forum and the titanium issue being ignored by Reynolds, we can see his need to deceive. Titanium is being increased in the human and animal foodchains to offset the potential of fluoride to complex with more dangerous metals like aluminum. Titanium is being added to lots of foodstuff, added as filler in medicines, added to the ground via mil spraying of large areas. Even sprayed onto Oak Ridge and Knoxville were where some of the experiments were first tried, because of the high fluorides plume connected to Oak Ridge. All kinds of rooftops screwed up in this area from the Ti air dumping.


The rise of titanium is obvious when one understands the need to block the formation of AlFx in the enviroment and within humans. The acid HF in acid rain is a cumulative poison and that is the main problem in the oceans with whales and on land with the mad cow effects. Part of the methods to control the cattle mad cow also include the ban of bone meal for cattle feed, and the limiting of cattle age so they can't accumulate too much of the poison.


It is what the Reynolds and company crime syndicate won't say, won't report, won't comment, can't read that becomes the most important.

The most important effect induced from jet plane acid rain linked issues is the effect of the HF component to make toxic metals bioavaility to rise and the benefical trace metals to fall. This fluoride catalytic "see-saw" effect with trace metals is deadly. This is what the jet rainmaker debunkers are trying despirately to cover up. Which makes them real criminals, racketeers. Those who promote the killing of God's Environment for man and animals.

IMHO,
is

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract

Crit Rev Oral Biol Med. 2003;14(2):100-14.

The biochemistry and physiology of metallic fluoride: action, mechanism, and implications.

Li L.

Faculty of Dentistry, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB, Canada. umlil@cc.umanitoba.ca

Fluoride is a well-known G protein activator. Activation of heterotrimeric GTP-binding proteins by fluoride requires trace amounts of Al3+ or Be2+ ions. AlFx mimics a gamma-phosphate at its transition state in a Galpha protein and is therefore able to inhibit its GTPase activity. AlFx also forms complexes with small GTP-binding proteins in the presence of their GTPase-activating proteins (GAP). As phosphate analogs, AlFx or BeFx affect the activity of a variety of phosphoryl transfer enzymes. Most of these enzymes are fundamentally important in cell signal transduction or energy metabolism. Al3+ and F- tend to form stable complexes in aqueous solution. The exact structure and concentration of AlFx depend on the pH and the amount of F- and Al3+ in the solution. Humans are exposed to both F and Al. It is possible that Al-F complexes may be formed in vivo, or formed in vitro prior to their intake by humans. Al-F complexes may play physiological or pathological roles in bone biology, fluorosis, neurotoxicity, and oral diseases such as dental caries and periodontal disease. The aim of this review is to discuss the basic chemical, biochemical, and toxicological properties of metallic fluoride, to explore its potential physiological and clinical implications.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract

J Immunol. 1989 Aug 1;143(3):780-6.

Stimulation of PIP2 hydrolysis by aluminum fluoride in resting T cell subsets of normal and autoimmune-prone lpr mice.

Coggeshall KM, Altman A.

Scripps Clinic and Research Foundation, Department of Immunology, La Jolla, CA 92037.

T cells of autoimmune-prone mice homozygous for the lpr mutation respond poorly to mitogens in terms of proliferation and of IL-2 production. In a previous study, we have correlated this deficient activation with the inability of mitogens to stimulate hydrolysis of phosphatidylinositol 4,5-bisphosphate in lpr T cells, although these cells bind mitogen and express the TCR/CD3 complex. In order to determine whether activation-deficient lpr T cells contain functional GTP-binding (G) protein(s) and phospholipase C, we examined the effects of the G protein activating agent sodium fluoride plus Al+3 (AlF-4). AlF-4 stimulated phosphatidylinositol turnover, a response characteristic of TCR/CD3 occupancy, in mature L3T4+ and Ly2+ T cells. Second, and more important, AlF-4 stimulated the same biochemical events in L3T4-, Ly2- (double-negative) T cells from the normal thymus or from the enlarged lymph nodes of autoimmune-prone mice homozygous for the lpr mutation. However, these double-negative T cells were unresponsive to receptor-active ligands such as T cell mitogens or anti-CD3-epsilon mAb, despite their ability to bind these ligands. These findings suggest that activation-deficient double negative T cells express the receptors, G protein(s) and effector enzymes necessary for second messenger formation and further suggest that the failure of these cells to generate the relevant second messengers in response to mitogens or anti-CD3-epsilon antibody may be due to inefficient coupling of the TCR/CD3 complex to G proteins.

PMID: 2545777 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...i-mbh042502.php

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

You are such a HOOT!

[halva]

Quoted from Gaiacomm:

"Originally Posted by jayreynolds
No, not true. Wayne Hall opened this thread with an invitation to "honest open debate" about his claim that geoengineering by "chemtrails" "is already occurring". He lost the debate, called for the banning of his opposition, and in the past 400+ pages of the thread has been unsucessfully trying to change the subject, and pretending that he doesn't read anything the opposition writes, as we continue to massacre him in debate."

You have the order of things wrong here, Raynolds. I called for your banning before conceding that I could not disprove your claim that 'chemtrails' do not exist.

I didn't need to call for your banning on chemtrails sites, as you are already banned on all of them.

It is on liberal-democratic general politics sites like this one, where the only thing that is growing is the number of subjects on which they are in a state of desperate denial, that there was a need to call for you to be banned, and they are not going to do it, so I have stopped calling for it.

They are your best friends, and will be your last, and probably, finally, only, protectors.

[jayreynolds]

All, take note that if Jay Reynolds could read that one of the prime players from Oak Ridge is named in the JFK write up. And we can see that Reynolds really can't even read or follow very clear data on what all was involved on the JFK hit.

I found nothing in your website that names the person at Oak Ridge who you claim was responsible for the assassination of JFK.

If you are making the claim, name the name here and say how the person was involved.

Also, name your supervisor who was in charge when you invented haarp and "chemtrails", which are other claims you have made.

[gaiacomm]

Quoted from Gaiacomm:

"Originally Posted by jayreynolds
No, not true. Wayne Hall opened this thread with an invitation to "honest open debate" about his claim that geoengineering by "chemtrails" "is already occurring". He lost the debate, called for the banning of his opposition, and in the past 400+ pages of the thread has been unsucessfully trying to change the subject, and pretending that he doesn't read anything the opposition writes, as we continue to massacre him in debate."

You have the order of things wrong here, Raynolds. I called for your banning before conceding that I could not disprove your claim that 'chemtrails' do not exist.

I didn't need to call for your banning on chemtrails sites, as you are already banned on all of them.

It is on liberal-democratic general politics sites like this one, where the only thing that is growing is the number of subjects on which they are in a state of desperate denial, that there was a need to call for you to be banned, and they are not going to do it, so I have stopped calling for it.

They are your best friends, and will be your last, and probably, finally, only, protectors.


Good points Wayne!

[gaiacomm]

I understand JR. But with all of your knowledge is it not possible for at least 1% truth of Chemtrails data?


JR?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

"Alslop"---I think I like that one. Score 10 pts for Gaia.

Fits that Jewish lawyers pig saying too. Awesome.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay Reynolds latest diatribe set:

"I found nothing in your website that names the person at Oak Ridge who you claim was responsible for the assassination of JFK."
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Oh my, is this the same kind of selective reading that Alslop's does in talking about CO-2 and pine trees? This is an experiment for Jay Reynolds----can he read and comprehind. I really doubt it. One of the key Oak Ridge players names is in there.



"If you are making the claim, name the name here and say how the person was involved."
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They are all named on the web pages----go read. Don't expect me to baby sit your brain dysfunction. The FBI has all the details----go call them and ask to be brought up to date. I am sure they will accomodate you just as much as I do.



"Also, name your supervisor who was in charge when you invented haarp and "chemtrails", which are other claims you have made."
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Go read the web page on MSRE----names there too.

National Labs don't use this "Supervisor" title stuff. The ORNL "Degree'd Professional Design Staff" is called the "Development Staff" and charged with designing, inventing things of need, and related research. The next level up is "Group Leader," next level is "Section Head," then "Division Head," then "Labratory Director."

I never had a supervisor. Scientists don't have supervisors. Real science can't really even be managed--so they avoid the term totally.

It is only little oil company hacks like you that work for people with titles like "supervisors." Professionals don't need supervision. We take on tasks and manage the details as required.

Are you sure you can read Reynolds? Or is your warped interest only of dreaming of "F_S" riding in your Nazi fuel guzzling diesel tank? Me eyes see the latter---you sicko. Tracking down a womans living accomodations even. Have you told you wife and kids of your warped mental fetish problems?

IMHO,
is

[stuart_allsop]

stuart_allsop, I see that you have not done your homework. Actually, I did do my homework: that;s why it's so easy to call you on all the half-baked pseudo science in your claims.


Gaiacomm for one has not been around for 6 years as you claim for one.OK. How long has it been around for then?


And Gaiacomm is using TeraHertz as the RF carrier....Then how come it says you are using the 1-29 Hertz range? That's kind of down at the opposite end of the scale, now isn't it?

Tell me, what kind of electronics do you use to make a 27 terrahertz transmitter? Isn't that just a fraction beyond the cut-off frequency, even fro exotic semiconductors, such as GaAs?


the paper on the internet is a precourse work to understanding the governing dynamics of the Physics of using the Earth as a transponder....How can the Earth be uses as a transponder, when it can neither recieve, process, not transmit relies to signals of ANY wavelength? Do you even know what a transponder is?


Giving you too much information is like giving a child access to nuclear weapons while he is angry with his parents for not letting him watch TV.He he he he he!! You never give up, do you? I must admit, you certainly do have guts to carry on posting here!

Nearly as much guts as you had when you tried to contact SADDAM HUSEIN secretly, to offer him your technology. Nearly as much guts as when you suggested that the PLO should be given your weapons so that they could burn Israel right off the map .

But perhaps the most guts of all that you've ever displayed, is nominating yourself for the Nobel Peace Prize! Now THAT just REALLY takes some chutzpah!! (Not to mention takeing hte cake, too).


Dr. Judah Ben-Hur and the Nobel Prize in Physics 09.Oct.2004 14:54

Dr. Julius Steinman :

After careful reading of the works of this young man I feel that either Dr. Ben-Hur get a Nobel Prize for Physics for the 4G system or one for peace for his political essays that are refreshing!
Bwwaaaaa ha hah ha ha hahaha ha ha ha ha hah ha!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

Lets do an experiment to determine Jay Reynolds' relative intelligence against someone from Chem Central----perhaps Chem11 or another.

Pass the details on the titanium effects to offset the fluoride formation of G-protein and lets see if some of the chem-central types can grock that little simple detail.

I'd bet that persons like F_S have ten times the intelligence of a Jay Reynolds or anyone in his infamous gang allies.

F_S and others do the world a good service in raising the awareness of the global warming factors and they can do even more once they understand the titanium factor to offset the fluoride toxic vector into forming G-proteins.

IMHO,
is

[stuart_allsop]

stuart_allsop, I am sure glad that you do not work for the NTSB. How do you know that I don't?


Your facts are not correct and you react more than respond!Really? So you think that SR111 was actually brought down by something other than a cockpit fire caused by illegal instalation of the IFEN? How did you come to that conclusion? Please explain yourself. If it wasn't the IFEN, what was it?


Do you honestly think that someone would take your rants and demands seriously? Rants? Demands? Sorry, but it wasn't me that posted a ranting fraudulent hoax document from a non-existant company, that ranted all about how it had a secret weapon of mass destruction that could "ignite" the air, and also ranted how it should be used against Israel. That rant was posted by a certain "gaiacomm". I merely exposed it as a hoax.

And I certainly have made no demands here! All I've done is post information that proves Giacamm to be a fraud, and asked questions that any physicist would be able to answer in his sleep, with one hand tied behind his back!. Hell, even a high scholl physics student could answer those! The fact that you STILL refuse to answer them clearly shows that you just don't know how! You don't have even a small fraction of the knowledge you clalim you do, for if you did, then you would have answered those in a breeze, and we could have moved on to some REAL physics.


This is a Forum for pretenders...Well then, that explains why YOU are here!

[/QUOTE] ...and those that wish to know. [/QUOTE]And that explains why I am here. What I "wish to know" is how you have the bare faced audacity to carry on with your little farce, after having been exposed so thoroughly!???!!! Who do you think you are fooling?


Well you are being slowly posioned by your own ignoranceNaahh, I got rid of my ignorance years ago. You should try it, one day.


What a talent being wasted on the internet/QUOTE]Say! Thanks for the compliment! I wish I could return it, but I just can't think of anything nice to say about your "talent"...

[QUOTE]Pointing fingers and hiding his own truth.What truth am I hiding?


If we could watch you, what would you not want known about you?Ummmm... lessee.. maye I wouldn't want you to know how little I think of frauds, hoaxsters, scam-artists and con-men. I think I'd be ashamed if people knew just how low my opinion of such can get, and how much I despise such scum.


You see you cannot hide secrets in the dark for long.What secrets?


Where you live is not that far and money and patience can move mountains.Well, if that's some kind of threat, then I don't see the point of it! I'm not exactly hard to find on the Internet. I don't hide behind fake fictional legend names, or fake companies, or fake technology. If you think you have some mud to sling, then go ahead. I'd be happy to make a fool out of you once again, when I show you up, once again.


Information is more important than gold.Yes it is. It's a pity that you have neither.


The power you have is only in your piss stream!

BINGO!!!!! True to form, just like any troll, Dr. J finally reveals his true colors. As always, when faced with undeniable truth, real facts, and indisputable arguments, the ONLY recourse for a cornered troll is ad hominem personal attack. ANd just like Dr. J, the inevitable come-back from a cornered troll invovles delving down deep into the gutter to find langauge sufficiently crude to vent his own frustration at being unable to win the argument by simple science.

Mission accomplished! he he he...

[stuart_allsop]

A recent Allsop's quote:

Ummm... well, as I already pointed out, you had mixed up my posts with Dr. J's claims, so it seems entirely fitting that you and I both agree that Dr J. is "just an uneducated bag of hot air" who is also "a lay person with a terrible and abusive attitude toward others that are better educated than he and his sham mongers". Couldn't have said it better myself! "

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So, now we have it in Allsop's own words that he fails to understand and respond properly to the issues of Woodpecker's frequecy agile systems on the ionosphere reflection and absorption factors. Allsops words falander and flounder in failing to show he understands plasma effects in the very very cold upper atmosphere's ionization.

Wow! You really are slow today, aren't you? Let me see if I can put this in terms a five yer old can understand. MAybe that will help you to get it: I did not say what you calim I said. Dr Jufah Ben Hur, the fake fizzycyst, siad what you calim I said. Therefore all your comments about what was said actually apply to Dr. J, and not to me.

There no, does that make it a bit clearer?


Allsop's lay knowledge of plasma sciences fails to acknowledge that the upper atmosphere's ion layers are frequency dependent in absorption or reflection of HF and VHF radio waves.Yup. Except Dr. J does not agree with you. He says they are a mirror at ALL frequencies. His words, not mine. That's the entire point of my post, and the entire reason why you are shoving your foot in deeper and deeper, every time you open your mouth, since youa re attributing to me things that Dr. J claims.


The real science on HAARP is about heating up the very very cold and very very thin (low total mass) ionized atmosphere with RF heating of ions. Something that is very very applicable to these regions and part of the active project of HAARP.Yup. And your point is? That much even appears on the HAARP web site.


When Allsop's and his gangster lay science mafia fail to grock that simple concept they also totally scew up the related concepts of the polar concentration of the greenhouse gases Coem again? How did you get from HAARP ionization of the uppoer atmosphere, to polar concentrations of selected gasses? I think you skipped a whole bunh of steps in between "A" and "B".


like HF and CO2 via the Earth's magnetic field effects and the Sun's ionization of these molecules that cause their pulling of higher concentrations of these gases to the polar regions.Please explain why you think that solar radiation has a selective effect, and only brings some gasses to the poles, while not affect other similar gasses. Also, explain why these gasses move to the poles, where sunlight is practically nil, and do not concentrate in the equatorial regions, where sunlight is at peak power. If what you calim is true, and the so-called greenhouse gasses really do migrate to the poles, leaving the central skies clear, then how come the so-called greenhouse effect is world-wide, not just confined to the poles?


Just the same as HAARP uses its megawatts of RF power to heat these cold upper regions,Well, HAARP sure does have megawats of output from the final stages of the transmitters, but only a very tiny fraction of that is actually absorbed by the ionoshpere as heat.. But even if the entire multi-megawatt power of HAARP were to be absorbed by the ionosphere, as I pointed out before, that would be just an infinitesmally small fraction of the amount of radioation that is pouring in all the time. As I already pointed out, the total amount of solar radiation reaching the earth at ground level is about 1.400 watts per square meter, average, and about twice that at the level of the ionosphere.. There is no way that HAARP could pump out enough power to raise even a fraction of that at the ionosphere level. Not even one tenth of one percent, even in a very tiny localized area. WHich takes us bak to the kid pissing in the surf. If we are to believe your claims, that kid alone is causing monssons in INdia and drought in Somalia....


Allsops and his lay mafia show conclusively they fail to understand the issues of ion / plasma scienceWell, I hate to say it, but so far you haven't exactly dazzled us with your scientif birlliance, now have you? :)

[stuart_allsop]

A recent quote from diesel filter Allsops of Chile:

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"Well, there you have it. The entire post, and not one single mention of CO2, just like I said...

Now, what was it you were saying about lying?"

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Allsops can't seem to keep up with simple conversations and my comments on Jay Reynolds speaking to helping the CO-2 problems with trees. Is it any wonder he cannot keep up with scientific discussions, when he can't even handle simple references to list commentary?

Tell me, do you have to practise a lot to act as stupid as you do, or does it just come naturally?

What part of "He did not use the tern "CO2" in the post we ar talking about", don't you understand?

This is real easy. It s ano brainers (which measn it is perfect for you). All you have to do is to go to that post, and search for the term "CO2". You wont find it, becuase it is not there.

QED.


Even in the world of his religion delerium. Allsops can't even define the problems of religion linked to the issues of the "Star" and the "Cross"I thought I debunked that, ages ago? DOn't tell me you FORGOT all ready? GEe, you really do have a short term memory!

But if you'd care to tell us what iti is that worries you about stars and crosses, I'd be happy to set you straight once more. No trouble at all.


and the false claims between "god" and "God."Which false claims would those be? I've heard a whole bunch of them over the years, so if you'll tell me jsut which flavor you are referring to, I'll set you straight on that too.


Allsops is not even able to differentiate between anti-Christ and ChristWEll, I don't seem to have any trouble at all with that! Whatever gave you such a strange idea?


which pretty much makes him a very lowly person. Thank you! That was a very nice comment. Much appreciated.


Allsops is about promoting lies on all counts, religion, atmosphere science, HAARP. He he he! NIce one! Comming from you, the world's undisputed champion in those fields, such a comment really is a total hoot!

[Yaak]

There really is no point in trying to make sense out of anything Jimmy Phelps posts. He is, obviously, a very confused and bitter individual.

There is no point that is, unless you just want to have yourself a whole lotta fun and amuse the rest of us.:p

[stuart_allsop]

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I said that the boy is a fraud ... Take away you, Mr. Reynolds, and all the rest of the goons that are backing him up, and he will run screaming for his mama. He is on your side only because of the approval that you have heaped upon him in a conniving manner. Whitemajikmarker is just another opinionated creep who parrots his handlers by taking the extreme position and willfully forcing the issue.Well, I guess you are not aware of his history then. You see, he used to be an avid, non-thinking, stark, raving lunatic conspiracy kook, until he got involved in some debates with debunkers. Unlike most kooks, he actually started thinking, considering the evidence, and working through it logically... and came to the conclusion that he had been a huge fool. So he did the manyly thing, and admitted his error. SInce then, there has been no stopping him! He has taken on debunking with a pationate vengence, and today outsrips those of us who were instrumental in waking him up.

He doesn't need us any more. Ever since he turned on his brain and started reasoning for himself, logically, he has learned to do an astoundingly admirable job of debunking. While you might have been correct at one point, today he certainlky doesn't need us for support.

(No offence intended to you, Shawn!!!!)
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I have no intention of playing your game of ?dueling scientific reports.? People should be allowed to make their own decisions without being subjected to the vicious mind games that are being pulled off on this board by you zealots who are obsessed to the point of psychosis with your Vioxx-quality truth. Well, I'm sorry to hear that you can't handle the vigorous scrutiny and levels of precision and accuracy that science demands. And while I certainly agree with you that people are entitled to their own opinions, I would also hold that people are entitled to be exposed to the TRUTH before making that decision, rather than following blindly which radio talk show host they happen to tune into. You can almost hear those guys yelling : "Everyone is entitled to an opinion: MINE!"... :)


It is interesting to note that all I did in the beginning was to respond to this evil and I became an instant ?chemmie.?Well, I'll be happy to apologize to you on that point if I offended you. I assume from your rejection of that title, that you are NOT a chemmie?


...as in ?Mr. Know-it-All.? I have yet to observe a topic on which you are not an authority.WEll, that's simply because, unlike others around here, I simply do not post anything on topics where I have no expertise! It's really simple. Each time I read a topic, if it's not something that I have strong expertise on, I just refrain from getting involved! That's why you won't see me commenting much on fly-fishing, the cultural history of the Chinese Ming dynasty, golf, or underwater basket weaving. I honestly don't know much at all about any of those topics (and many more besides), so whenever they come up, I ingore them.


The Shadow moves every time you take a stride, so it is likely that you will actually find dog shit on one or both of your shoes...Yep! Of course! I mean, what else would you expect to get after stepping on the Shadow! :)

[jayreynolds]

One of the key Oak Ridge players names is in there.

If you are making the claim, name the name here and say how the person was involved.


National Labs don't use this "Supervisor" title stuff. The ORNL "Degree'd Professional Design Staff" is called the "Development Staff" and charged with designing, inventing things of need, and related research. The next level up is "Group Leader," next level is "Section Head," then "Division Head," then "Labratory Director." I never had a supervisor.

Jim, it's pretty clear you don't name any names because I've shown over time that I check things out. If you ever actually worked at Oak Ridge, it was probably some minor technician's job, cleanup, that sort of thing. Nothing to be ashamed of I'm sure.

You have made some pretty big boasts, saying you invented this and that while you worked at Oak Ridge, including haarp and "chemtrails". When I ask who supervised your work, and asked for a name, since you know none of your claims are true, you had to give a squishy-squashy answer. No one at Oak Ridge works without supervision, not even the director himself. They publish their organizational chart publicly, Jimbo. You know that even if you made up some name, I'd find a way to check it out. I've already heard a few funny stories about you from people at your hometown newspaper. The whole town has filed you under 'kook' a long long time ago, and they know you're getting worse.

Not everyone is so stupid to just 'believe', especially after some of the wacked-out stuff you've put out. I could certainly never believe you, and the audience here isn't buying any of it either.
The fact that you are down to watching us laugh at you as your sole audience makes it clear to everyone just how desperate for attention you(and Lance) are. Just how many people have you convinced around here? Wayne? Was it really worth it all just for his eye? Does he even respect you? If you dream it could be so, guess again.......

The facts are clear, Jimbo. Your big mouth has finally caught up with you. Anyone can see that you always dodge when pressed for real factual documentation, real names, real dates. These aren't hallmarks of real whistleblowers.

These are things liars do when caught in a lie.

They backpedal.
They obfuscate.
They won't show proof for their claims.
They try desperately to change the subject.

When it's time for the cards to be put on the table, liars just can't get down and do it.

You and Lance Haubrick are a fine pair, aren't they Stuart?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Reynolds latest diatribe just can't seem to explain why what he claims is a technician would be writing a thesis on Breeder Reactors for ORNL and DOE.

I am real easy to check out-----even online at the Univ. of Tenn library. Even on varied internet lists from people that know how to read and some that even know me:
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1311&st=0

Hey, it comes right up on most search engines----any kid can do one. Just not Jay Reynolds, who is real IQ challenged.

Some of my graduate work was in high temp semiconductor electronics to 300 degree C operating, and high Rad to 1 megaR. operational survival. Which is how I became good at many things involving radiation and radiation detection. I know that rad damage science on materials, rad ionization of gases, etc.

When you get good at that sort of thing---FEMA likes to have little special things made for the big cold war problems. Got to keep Mt. Weather Running and all those other COG facilities---not to mention SAC.

Somehow I don't think technicians do that kinda thing. If they did---boy could DOE, DOD, and FEMA save some money. Those degree people are expensive. ORNL gets like 200 bucks and hour for one now a days.


Yes, there are charts of the ORNL Divisions and if you get the right one----you can see me listed very plainly. That really isn't hard to find either. You might try asking DOE or ORNL for one in Oak Ridge.

And, if you could read --- you can even find this Breeder Reactor project was paid for by DOE subcontracts and even paid for my Thesis.

So, now we have a nice proof that you are a total idiot and a fraud......
You can't read and can't even find the obvious----let alone do background checks....
Your scams just can't seem to float...
You can't even do a simple internet search......which I guess makes you a moron or less.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://rense.com/general61/chemo.htm

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cmille2/album?.dir=a363&.src=ph

[stuart_allsop]

I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your ?reasoning? as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams. Please do give my most sincere condolences to your ignorant neighbor, who apparently is part of the continuing problem with uneducated speakers of the English tongue who insist on perpetuating long-since discarded and useless grammatical rules. Do invite her to a language debate here: I'd love to point out the errors in her rather antiquated ways, and perhaps help her to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that she can, in future, teach language as it is used today.

Of course, you can invite her here, assuming that she really does exist, and is not just a figment of your overactive imagination?...

The give-away that you might be faking was the traps I had set in my post. Traps into which you cleanly fell. I highly doubt that a professor of College level English would have missed the thinly disguised quotations from Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, and William Shakespeare, and go on to claim that she would have failed such grand masters in grammar class!

You see, that's a trap I commonly use on individuals, such as yourself, who write fairly well yet make silly claims about how language should or should not be used. I drop in a few structures that have been used in classic quotations from great orators and writers, then I sit back to see what happens. Usually, as in your case, the victim doesn't notice and continues on blindly, making a fool of him or herself. Occasionally I am pleased to come across a true grammarian who does recognize my trap, cleanly avoids it, and calls me on it. More power to them! Unfortunately, you don't rate in that category.



Mr. Allslop, you are a buffoon.Coming from one who just flunked Winston Churchill on a grammar test, I do find that more than just a little amusing! :)


That you consider yourself a devout Christian is a slap in the face to God.Why is it that all trolls eventually resort to ad hominem attack, when they have been solidly routed and have nothing better to say? I suppose it runs on their blood.


You must have skipped the part in the Bible that condemns as a deadly sin your unwarranted and extreme pride and love of self. What part would that be? Please do quote us chapter and verse, in context.


It is a shame that you do not afford the same level of pride in your work. What makes you think that I don?t?

In my opinion, you would be doing the world a big favor by taking a week or two to climb Aconcagua and then make the descent in a matter of seconds.[/QUOTE]Actually, that's not a bad idea! It's not far from here, you know, and they say it can be scaled by beginners, with sufficient preparation and training. I don't know very much about mountain climbing, but it sounds like an interesting concept. I'm just not too certain about that hang-glider descent though. I suppose it could be done, and its been MANY years since I last flew a hang glider, but the idea of carrying it the top is daunting.... I may just have to consider a standard descent. Hmmm.... food for thought.... I hadn't really decided where to spend my vacations this year, but that actually sounds like a good idea! Thanks!

Now, getting back to the point of your poor knowledge of grammar rules, I just checked the language reference section of my bookshelf, and came a cross a volume that I thoroughly recommend. It?s designed for just such a person as yourself, who writes acceptably yet fails to grasp the concepts used by modern grammarians. The book is titled "Woe is I", and was written by Patricia T. O'Conner, who is an editor for the New York Times Book Review, and also a columnist for Time Magazine (she writes their "On Language" column occasionally). In particular, I refer you to chapter 9 "The Living Dead". This chapter is dedicated to mythical grammar "rules" that are long since dead, but which refuse to actually lie down, due to persons such as yourself and your alter-ego neighbor, who insist on perpetuating them out of ignorance.

On page 183, under the title "Tombstone: It's wrong to end a sentence with a preposition" Ms. O'Conner writes,

"Here's another bugaboo that English teachers used to get worked up over. We can blame an eighteenth-century English clergyman named Robert Lowth for this one. He wrote the first grammar book to say that a preposition ... shouldn't go at the end of a sentence. This idea caught on, even though great literature from Chaucer to Milton to Shakespeare is bristling with sentences ending in prepositions. Nobody knows why the notion stuck - possibly because it's closer to Latin grammar, or perhaps because the word "preposition" means "position before", which seems to suggest that a preposition can't come last. At any rate, this is a rule that modern grammarians have tried to get us out from under."

QED.

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

Because I don't defend my turth at this moment does not mean that it is not true. What seems to be only seems that way.Granted. Failuer to defend a claim does not automatically mean that the claim is false. However, when the evidence agaisn the claim is piled high, and the defence is still tardy, one could certainly be forgiven for assuimg that there is no defence.


This forum is not the place to discuss 4G wireless communications We were not doing that. We were discussing several of your much more basic claims that tend to suggest a profound ignorance on your part, regarding physics and electronics.


and besides according to JR Lance does not have that knowledge so why continue to ask questions?Just to prove that JR is right. Because that's what scientists do: Whenever they have a hypothesis, the try to FALSIFY it as much as possible, and only when it cannot be falsified do they accept that is is correct. My hypothesis is that Gaiacomm is a fraud, and that you don't know what you are talking about. I've been trying to enlist your help in falsifying my hypothesis, but so far, after many attempts, you have failed, which leads me to believe that my hypothesis really is correct.


Why not ask the Dr. himself?That's what I'm doing! We all know that "gaiacomm" really is Dr. Judah Ben Hur. You have posted all over the internet just like that, never denying it before. Why start now? In fact, in severa places that I have come across, messages poste personally by "gaiacomm" are actually signed by Dr. Judah Ben Hur, in the first person. So there's no deying that when I talk to "gaiacomm" here, I Am talking directyl to Dr. J., source and author of the scam.


You are smart enough to go directly to the source after all your investigative skills are very good you just need to better them. I strive to improve them constantly, and you'd be surprised at how good I'm getting with my practice case-study on the fake corporation "gaiacomm".


[/QUOTE]Science and Religion in my opinion are one of the same, they both seek TRUTH.[/QUOTE]AMEN! Finally, something that I can agree with! Well said.

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

The FBI does not have interest or jurisdiction over me or what I do. I answer to a different authority.I beg to differ! The FBI is alwasy interested in crime, particualrly fraud if it cross State borders, as you are doing. And they most certainly do have jurisdiction over such crimes. Even more so when you write them personally, soliciting funds for a scam.

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

To discuss Maxwell's Ather equations would require you to first have an understanding of the basic ideas of Physics.He he he... nice cop out there, Dr. J.! That's the fifth time I've challenged you to a debate on physics, and the fifth time you have desperately invented a reason to slither your way out of it. Ennui, indeed, is what this on-going saga raises in me. Your continuous attempts to avoind debate on anything scientific, at all costs, is increasingly obvious, and increasingly indicative of the fact that you just don't have the knowledge to do so, despite your somewhat feeble claims and protests to the contrary. :)

Details, Dr J.: details, accuracy, precision, research, and solid data. That's what it's all about. It has nothing to do with looking at the "big picture". The "big picture" cannot stand if the underlying details are flawed.


You are too quick to judge and make claim without stepping back and seeing the whole picture.Ho hummm.... zzzz... that's the very usual and very boring reposnse that all conspiracy theorists bring up, yet curiously is the exact opposite of what the scientific method demands. I suppose next you'll be telling me to think outside the box, which is usually the second appriach taken by ignorant conspiracy kooks...

[/QUOTE]You also are afraid to step outside the box of knowledge. [/QUOTE]Bingo!!!! :)

So predictable....

[stuart_allsop]

On land cows eat the acid fall out and get sick with mad cow effects over time.]Well, biologists all over the world are going to be wonderfully gratefult o you for having solved that issue. They've been working on it for years, and are under the mistaken impresion that prions are responsible. They'll be surprised to learn that it is actually just acid rain that cuases it!

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

You are such a HOOT!Why thank you! I do try. And you aren;t too bad yourself, Dr. J! Every time I vist your web site, I fall of my chair in spasms of hysterical laughter...

[stuart_allsop]

These are things liars do when caught in a lie.

They backpedal.
They obfuscate.
They won't show proof for their claims.
They try desperately to change the subject.

When it's time for the cards to be put on the table, liars just can't get down and do it.

You [Jim] and Lance Haubrick are a fine pair, aren't they Stuart?
You betcha, Jay! No doubt about that. Except that Lance is a bit more creative and iventive than Jim. He slithers a bit better, and a bit less obviously. Jim is too clumsy, by far, and leaves tracks a mile wide. Lance is more subtle ... and more entertaining.

I wonder if either of them have any conceot at all as to how extrememly foolish they look, to us and to all those visitors who pop in here every day?

[stuart_allsop]

I am real easy to check out-----even online at the Univ. of Tenn library. Even on varied internet lists from people that know how to read and some that even know me:
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1311&st=0

Hey! You are actually right about that! One guy seems to know you REALLY well. Here's what he said about you:


He talks a lot about his super secret activities which makes me think one of two things:

Either he's on the level, which means that the government is going to be on him like stink on shit for violation of many many federal laws wirh regard to espionage, classification and who knows what else. I mean, he goes into details of his "barium photoelectric effect" which he says is a "very secret program today". If they were coming after him, they whould have already done something by now, since I first saw this Jim Phelps thing before there even was a GLP, like back in late 2001 or maybe early 2002.

Or the whole thing is a hoax, and the government doesn't care because it's all bullshit.

Or, you could look at Jim Phelps himself and see if there's any independent verification of him. He doesn't tell too many thigs about himself; he says his "degrees" are in Electrical Engineering at University of Tennessee, but he doesn't say what they are. Any scientist who gives his C.V. will tell his graduation date, degree, and his dissertation (as well as. usually, his academic advisor), so that people who rally were intersted in him could check his ass out.

Researching UT Knoxville (which is where their EE College is) I couldn't find any thesis or dissertation by him, and when I searched the IEEE Publications database (http://www.ieee.org/portal/index.jsp?pageID=corp_level1&path=products&file=index.xml&xsl=generic.xsl), I didn't get anything, either, although I got some papers by Dave Phelps and Paul Phelps.

Finally, his bio doesn't sound like anything that a PhD type would prepare, what with all the Jew thing and the Excalibur thing and all. Plus, when you look at some of the things he says he developed, there's no independent valiation of it, and when he talks about "cheep titanium" (titanium is expensive, and it's spelled "cheap", not "cheep", it just makes him sound worse and worse.


Yep, he sure does seem to have your number! :)

[gaiacomm]

Now this is new to me:


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/520897.html




Gaiacomm: Israelis demand more satellite phones in Southeast Asia

By Zuri Dar



Gaiacomm, the Iridium Satellite Solutions representative in Israel, said yesterday that in the wake of the earthquake in Southeast Asia there has been a spike in the demand for satellite telephones by Israelis in the area of the disaster.





According to the company, there are currently more than 100 Iridium satellite telephones servicing the hundreds of relatives and official representatives who have gone to locate Israelis in the disaster area. The communications infrastructure in the area has collapsed.

The company did not report on how many of their phones were in use in the area was before the disaster, but according to estimates, in ordinary times there are only a few score devices in use. The company also reported an increase of several hundred percent in airtime registered on the satellite devices.

The Iridium network, which is based on 66 satellites orbiting the planet at low altitude, enables effective communication anywhere in the world, independent of surface-based infrastructure.

Gaiacomm was recently purchased by SatCom Systems, the communications arm of WorldGroup Holdings, which is controlled by Zvika Barinboim, and so has joined the activity in the satellite field being carried out by Gilat SatCom.

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

Well you will have to convince JR and company that Lance and the DR are two different people. Now if you can do that you will have debunked JR and his claims!

[gaiacomm]

I beg to differ! The FBI is alwasy interested in crime, particualrly fraud if it cross State borders, as you are doing. And they most certainly do have jurisdiction over such crimes. Even more so when you write them personally, soliciting funds for a scam.


Prove it! The FBI could care less about me!

[gaiacomm]

You never responded to your Piss Stream having power! You seem to disect every sentence but you left that one out. Oh yes why not find out how long Gaiacomm has been around. You said 6 years so where did that come from?

PONG!!!!!

[Yaak]

You never responded to your Piss Stream having power! Please allow me, Stuart.

[stuart_allsop]

You never responded to your Piss Stream having power! Of course it does! You told us that it does! You told us that even a little kid on the beaach, pissing in the surf, is going to cuase monsoons in India, so how much more powerful thatn that do you want! Sheesh!!!! :)


Oh yes why not find out how long Gaiacomm has been around. You said 6 years so where did that come from?From a press release that I believe was dated 1999, but I can't seem to find right now. I may be wrong. But what I CAN tell, unequivocally, is that Gaiacomm has been around for at least four years.. Yet still has no products, no customers, no funding, and apparently employs 7000 phatom people who all work inside a PO box...

[stuart_allsop]

Please allow me, Stuart.



Thanks, Yaak! Much appreciated. Makes the point exactly! (Although I doubt that Dr J. will get it.)

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop

Well you will have to convince JR and company that Lance and the DR are two different people. Why would I want to do that, when it isn't true? They ARE the same person! Just diffferent personalities in that tumbled, jumbled schizophrenic cavity where most people have a brain, but still part and parcel of the same person.

Nice try, though!

[halva]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1229_041229_climate_change_consensus.html#main

2004: The Year Global Warming Got Respect

John Roach
for National Geographic News
December 29, 2004


In 2004 global warming made the covers of National Geographic and Business Week magazines, was the subject of a blockbuster movie, and was a theme in a Michael Crichton's best-selling novel State of Fear—all signs that the issue has captured widespread media attention.

"It is hard to imagine that any person who is aware of environmental issues today would not have some appreciation of the global warming issue," said Jorge Sarmiento, a professor of atmospheric and ocean sciences at Princeton University.

A review of nearly a thousand research papers on global climate change published between 1993 and 2003 found that none refuted the claim that human activities are changing Earth's climate. Above, smoke bellows from a pulp mill in Port Angeles, Washington.

Funding for this Earth-systems science story was provided by the National Science Foundation.
This special series of news stories is produced as a complement to Pulse of the Planet, a daily sound portrait of the Earth broadcast on radio.

But media accounts of climate change frequently assert that climate science is uncertain, according to Naomi Oreskes, an associate history professor and science-studies program director at the University of California, San Diego.

"This is not the case," she writes in a Science essay, "The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," published earlier this month.

Scientific Consensus

To prove a scientific consensus on global climate change, Oreskes searched the scientific literature for papers published between 1993 and 2003 with the words "global climate change" in their abstracts. She found 928.

"Not one of the papers refuted the claim that human activities are affecting Earth's climate," she said.

According to her review, the scientific literature indisputably links greenhouse gas emissions from human activities—such as driving cars and burning oil and coal to generate electricity—with a rise in surface-air and subsurface-ocean temperatures.

However, Oreskes goes on to write that "many details about climate interactions are not well understood, and there are ample grounds for continued research to provide a better basis for understanding climate dynamics."

Research Gaps

Sarmiento, the Princeton University atmospheric and ocean scientist, agrees that "anthropogenic climate change is indeed real" and that scientists have yet to fully understand climate dynamics.

An expert on the global carbon cycle, Sarmiento aims to learn more about a circulation pattern in the ocean surrounding Antarctica. Of particular interest: How will the pattern respond to global climate change caused by increased atmospheric carbon dioxide?

Known as the subantarctic mode water, the circulation pattern maintains a nutrient supply for three quarters of ocean life. Sarmiento and colleagues reported the finding earlier this year in the science journal Nature.

If the pattern were to shut down, the effects on marine life would be devastating, Sarmiento said. But whether that will result from global warming is an open question, he noted.

"We really do not know yet. What our study shows is that this is a place where we have to go to understand what is going on, because it is so critically important," Sarmiento said in an interview on the radio program Pulse of the Planet.

The Princeton researcher said another research gap is how to mitigate the effects of climate change, noting that any carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere today will remain a long time before it dissolves in the ocean.

"If carbon dioxide emissions continue to grow at present rates, we will soon reach carbon dioxide levels that are likely to cause quite large climate change," Sarmiento said. "Thus, even though the full impacts of such climate change may not be clearly understood, it behooves us to take any actions we can to bring things under control as soon as we can."

By how much should the global community seek to reduce carbon dixode emissions? The answer, according to Sarmiento, depends largely on two little-understood factors:

• how rapidly carbon dioxide is removed from the air by the land and oceans

• how the oceans will respond to warming

"What if ocean biology responds to the climate change? How will this affect the rate at which oceans take up anthropogenic carbon? Model analyses suggest that these effects are not large, but the truth is that our confidence in such predictions is limited," he said.

According to Oreskes, the University of California, San Diego, researcher, the affect of aerosols, which are known to cause a cooling effect, is another important area that requires more research. Aerosols are particles of liquid or solid matter suspended in the air. They are emitted from natural and human sources, such as factories.

Research by Steven Maria at Princeton University published in the December 10 issue of Science suggests the cooling effect of aerosols may be significant.

"If this is true, then it means that as we continue to clean up aerosols, which have large, direct effects on human health, we may see a stronger global warming effect," Oreskes said.

Filling such gaps in scientists' understanding of the dynamics of climate change is not enough, Orekes said. She argues that the world also needs to develop new technologies to effectively deal with global climate change.

"We need a serious commitment to the engineering aspects of making renewable energies cost effective," she said. "It's no good asking folks not to do something if you don't give them an alternative

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings,

Well, I see we have a uneducated Chilean person with apparently zero physics experience in plasma and ion sciences wanting to debate someone. But with zero schooling or experience in the field, plus a lot of total non-sense---he has narry one taker to engage in his insane science explanation.

I guess I have heard it all again. Twice in two days now. Hot Dang.

This same aledged physics expert, Allsops of Chlie, claims HAARP's RF energies with all go into space, or all get reflected back to Earth, or all get absorbed in the ion layer-----but whatever the case do absolutely nothing. He claims it is impossible to heat up any of those zones with HAARP. Or patently that HAARP has no purpose what so ever.

This Chilean expert, named Stuart Allsops, should bring that to the attention of the US Taxpayers, that they have all been dupped into paying for a power wasting project in Alaska that does nothing. Perhaps he needs to bring it to the attention of all the Pentagon folks funding that huge project in Alaska, so they can redirect the funding to other projects.

Yes, the alleged physics expert down there in Chile is knocking the US project called HAARP and saying it is absolutely worthless.


But perhaps there is one other explanation. Perhaps the person from Chile named Allsops is a total idiot, or someone out to harm the defense systems of the United States. Perhaps Allsops is so literally crazy that he imagines himself as the sage physics person and able to predict all reseach applicable to the HAARP project. Or perhaps the Chile person is so self aggrandizing that he is really expert in nothing but harrassment of others.


Perhaps this latter explanation is the more apparent, as these types are several here and they seem to be like dogs passing each other and sniffing each others butts as they get to running in circles forcing their wet snouts into each other's squishy butts. And when they get done doing those dumb obcessions they all break up with the tale-tale brown smelly spots on their noses as rememberance of their mutual experence.

The moral of the Allsops stories and fansasies on HAARP reads more like a story of Jim Carry involving something along the lines of Dumb, Dumber, and insanely dumb.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi,

Watch carefully as the infamous Allsops, Yaak, Reynolds gang attempt to change the subject off the explanation of the purpose of titanium used in air-pharmacalogy methods.

We all know that Jet Planes make these huge trails that seed clouds across the skies where the flight corridors are densest. This means these jet planes induce more rainfall onto the land masses. Most of us can watch these processes happen before our very eyes in the skies.

Then we know that the air is fouled with acid rain these days from coal burning and all this jet cloud seeding is going to increase the rain down of the acid rain onto the land masses. This acid rain causes the release of toxic metals, like aluminum, into the food chain.

We know the acid rain is predominately sulfuric, hydrochloric, and hydrogen fluoride based. We also know that hydrogen fluoride is a poison, in fact, a very serious cumulative poison. A poison that upsets trace metals, as explained in pesticide toxicity.

What else do we know, that fluoride is the most electronegative atom and likes to complex with metals in the environment, food chain, and inside man. This effect sets up a see-saw effect with the toxic trace metals and the benefical trace metals. Rising fluoride drives the beneficial trace metals down the the toxic trace metals higher, like a see-saw opposition.

The poison called HF and fluoride compounds complex with toxic metals like aluminum to make it more bioavailable and even set up to mimic G-proteins within the body and act like vaccine adjuvants. This sets up dangerous factors with dendritic cells of the lymph nodes. Fluorides make the beneficial trace metals like manganese less bioavailable by making them insoluble, and this is a prime factor in retrovirus control within cells.

We even know the issues of prion illness is connected to these processes by raising the cytokine called TNFa that enable the passage of the blood brain barrier of these aluminum and fluorides. We even know the prion process involves the folding patterns that are controlled by these trace metals.

So, when we add titanium into the global equation to compete in the soils, food chain, and inside the human body for the fluorine atom, we can short circuit the formation of these bad F-metal complexes that go to set up the blood-brain-barrier passage, and the process that causes the prion mutation.

We even know that fluorides in the atmosphere are many many times more potent at absorbing IR heating than CO-2. HF is rising in the upper atmosphere, and the ban on CFC did nothing to stop that effect. The fluoride ion concentrations over the poles are many times what the non-polar concentrations in the air around the globe. This ionazation and magnetic field effect concentrate all the IR absorbers to the polar zones.

Do, watch very carefully, as these environment crooks attempt their corrupted stage shows, running in circles smelling each others squishy zones. There are real criminal reasons for their insanities.

They are causing all manner of insane scenes to avoid the titanium factors from being recognized by the environmental factions, especially those factions looking at jet plane acid rain making.

IMHO,
is



http://www.priondata.org/data/A_2002C.html


Lymph nodal prion replication and neuroinvasion in mice devoid of follicular
dendritic cells
Prinz M, Montrasio F, Klein MA, Schwarz P, Priller J, Odermatt B, Pfeffer K,
Aguzzi A. .
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002 Jan 22;99(2):919-24.
Institute of Neuropathology, University Hospital of Zurich,
Schmelzbergstrasse 12, CH-8091 Zurich, Switzerland.
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and scrapie are typically initiated by
extracerebral exposure to prions, and exhibit early prion accumulation in germinal
centers. Follicular dendritic cells (FDCs), whose development and maintenance
in germinal centers depends on tumor necrosis factor (TNF) and lymphotoxin
(LT) signaling, are thought to be indispensable for extraneural prion
pathogenesis. Here, we administered prions intraperitoneally to mice deficient for TNF
and LT signaling components. LT alpha(-/-), LT beta(-/-), LT betaR(-/-), and LT
alpha(-/-) x TNFalpha(-/-) mice resisted infection and contained no
infectivity in spleens and lymph nodes (when present). However, TNFR1(-/-), TNFR2(-/-),
and some TNFalpha(-/-) mice developed scrapie similarly to wild-type mice.
High prion titers were detected in lymph nodes, but not spleens, of TNFR1(-/-)
and TNF alpha(-/-) mice despite absence of FDCs and germinal centers. Transfer
of TNFR1(-/-) fetal liver cells into lethally irradiated Prnp(0/0) mice
restored infectivity mainly in lymph nodes. Prion protein (PrP) colocalized with a
minority of macrophages in tumor necrosis factor receptor (TNFR) 1(-/-) lymph
nodes. Therefore, prion pathogenesis can be restricted to lymphoreticular
subcompartments, and mature follicular dendritic cells are dispensable for this
process. Macrophage subsets are plausible candidates for lymphoreticular prion
pathogenesis and neuroinvasion in the absence of FDCs, and may represent a novel
target for postexposure prophylaxis.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

Lets start connecting all the pieces here on Arianna's site pertaining to the i nfamous "art of debunking" and its criminal aspects.

The first time that I heard of the term "Debunking" was in connection to a person named Michael Fumento, who was connected to a GOP oriented think-tank based in New York. Fumento gained infamy in trying to say that Gulf War Syndrome was only in the veterans heads and they were all cases of Munchousen psychology.

Michael Fumento's debunking methods were connected with extreme claims and vicous attacks on the GWV's.

But now we know GWS is being recognized as a real health effect, after some ten years of the vets having been run over the GOP based crap to cover up the problem. The UK is coming around somewhat faster then the US. But then again, even Tony Blair cannot support the US nutty position on climate change, and likewise Blair can support the Bush nutty cover up on GWI.

The Gulf War Syndrome was tied to problems with vaccines and the high levels of mercury from the "mercurisol" in the vaccines and to aluminum used as a vaccine adjuvant to set up the memory retention time in the lymph node dendritic cells. Both these metals are toxic, and when the Vets got some dozen of these vaccinations at once, they are were placed well into the risk domain of toxic metals-----particularly this effect linked to fluoride and the toxic metals.

Many US troops became sick from just the vaccine exposures, while others went in threater and were exposed to more problems like nerve gases based on fluorine. This added more to the F-metal venue health effects.

So, when we look at the GOP "debunking" efforts applied against the discovery of the health effects associated with GWS, we find these GOP connected pharmacy interests trying like hell to cover up this dendritic aluminum adjuvant issue. This G-protein mimic formation of AlFx, which forms a permanent cell bond that cannot be broken.

We find the very same associations in the Jet acid rain making trail effects and the very some GOP associated term of "Debunking" connected to the cover ups of these GOP think tanks that manipulate public opinions by attacking the opposition in all ways, sometimes even unthinkable ways. Criminal ways, involving the concepts connected to racketeering.

So, as you all consider the data on how the titanium factor applies to the jet acid rain compensation, do begin to tie in the other debunker and GOP associations with GWI.

Even when one gets into the worker health issues connected with the Oak Ridge DOE workers, one can find these same corrupted games being played. In Oak Ridge workers come down with health problems that look similar to the GWS, and all the doctor MD types offer them no relief. These DOE workers were exposed to lots of fluorides / HF and toxic metals in their jobs. So, they have the AlFx problems and all the same progressive illnesses seen for GWS.

What is the central issue or theme----always GOP interests----always Debunking harassment to attempt to convince the gullible public there is nothing there------always the attempts at claiming expertise--------and always the cover up of these fluoride and toxic metals complex associations.

ALWAYS the cover up of the fluoride syndergism that sets up this see-saw effect with the toxic and benefical trace metals. An effect that is directly connected to prion, alzheimers, all immune illnesses, and all cancers.

This little heads-up should give all the environmental folks are real good idea of the type of criminal elements that are connected to the term "Debunker" and all their political affiliations.

Debunking is mostly a case of racketeering, treason against the citizens rights to know, and destruction of the US Constitution.

So, as the new year approaches---lets all spread the word on these debunking connections and even make some criminal charges against these persons of evil intent.

IMHO,
is

[stuart_allsop]

Well, I see we have a uneducated Chilean person with apparently zero physics experience in plasma and ion sciences wanting to debate someone. Well, you actually did get one of those right: "wanting to debate" is it. The rest is wrong.


But with zero schooling or experience in the field, plus a lot of total non-senseThen how come I managed to trounce the kook brigade, every time! Nice try, but we all know thaty ad hominum is that last resrot of the cornered troll, and you have proven to be no exception. If you cannot refute the cliams made in a debate, it is far better to just remain silent. As soon as you indulge in ad hominum you make it clear that you have no valid reply, thus making a fooll of yourself.


This same aledged physics expert, Allsops of Chlie, claims HAARP's RF energies with all go into space, or all get reflected back to Earth, or all get absorbed in the ion layer-----but whatever the case do absolutely nothing. He claims it is impossible to heat up any of those zones with HAARP.Ummmm... Nope! Not what I said at all! If that's what you think I said, then maybe you need to go back again and read it more carefully. Dishonest debaters often resort to doing what you are trying to do, and it's called "erecting a strawman". Basically, that means claiming that your opponent holds a position (that he does not actaully hold), then proceeding to attack that position, bringning it down, and claiming victory. It's considered cheating in most debating circles, and is always frowned on.

Please go back and try again, but this time actually READ what I said, then present it in terms that really do represent my position, not hte position that you'd like me to have.

[halva]

So, as the new year approaches---lets all spread the word on these debunking connections and even make some criminal charges against these persons of evil intent.


We are not in a position yet to lay criminal charges. That will be a job for institutions that haven't been created yet.

In the meantime there is no need for us to tell the world about debunkers. Most don't know of their existence, and the desideratum is to reduce the number who do, not increase it.

Already this thread is one of their last lifelines, if not THE last.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

Let us take a moment to review the issues of Debunker Jay Reynolds attacks on Foot_Soldier and his strong obcession with her.

As some of you know, I came here to study debunkers. How better to study than to wade right in there with the worst collection around.

Debunking is a very lucrative occupation connected to GOP oriented think tanks with the sole mission to convey political propaganda for a given cause and verbally assault the opposition.

We can see this in the Jay Reynolds assaults on "Foot_Soldier," where he wants her to take a ride with him in the Mercendes and do what he wants. Where he even speaks of where she lives and her lifestyles. Where he even attacks her $3 contribution to green energy, while dismissing her massive contributions to the discussions of global warming and chemtrails.

In Foot_Soldiers defense, she is one of the best of the best from the chemtrails and global warming world. What appears to be bringing on the intensity of attacks from the Reynolds gang debunkers is her listing of the extremely pertinent information on titanium. She has the uncanny abilty to seek right into the most informing commentary, which Reynolds must attack to attempt to control her. His methods of control are personal comments, stalking level comments on where she lives and how, as well was pure fear monger suggestions on sticking knives in chemmies veins and draining their blood.

What Reynolds was really after was the fact that she listed the details on titanium dioxide absorbing nitrogen from the air. This is a part of the air pharmacology methods. What really seems to have gained Reynolds intensity of attacks toward her is that she will pick up on the issues of titanium being linked to the G-protein compensation techniques for fluorides.

Foot_Soldier is very good at collecting and dissimination of information. This due to a keen eye and a long time commitment to addressing the problems. She is a massive threat to the debunkers and their political affiliations that pay them.

The only weaknesses with Foot_Soldier is perhaps she has not put together all the titanium issues on the G-proteins and Aluminum. But she is very very close, as when she listed that piece on acid rain and its mobilization of aluminum, she stuck at the very heart of the Debunkers cover up obcessions. This gained the intensity of attacks from the Reynolds political crime debunk syndicate.

These actions should stand out as very evident at this point. F_S connect jet plane cloud seeing to acid rain, then aluminum. And that is a massive sin for the debunkers and they attacked her personally with stalking type actions.

However, since F_S has been the victum of these attacks, she will no doubt be quick to connect the final dots on titanium and its methodology for Fluoride compensation to avoid the F-Al complex formations. She is so close to the central theme, that she is dangerous to the debunkers causes. The debunkers are attempting to disconnect her from making those final associations and becoming the most effective weapon on the internet information network for forming a totally effective challenge and exposure of the Reynolds cover up games.

I got one thing to say to F_S, YOU GO GIRL.

Perhaps the only other weakness F_S needs to work on is how the religion factors tie into this whole equation of debunking. If you note, Reynolds has this Jewish-Mason radical from Canada and this Chile Religion goof in his closet. Part of the reasons there is the US based religion people cannot take up a political stand without violations of the 501 c 3 tax exempt code for non-profits. So, he can only bring in the religion factors by persons outside the US.

But the real heart of the problem lies in the simple fact that the Star Icon of the Jews and the Cross icon of the Christ followers are not of the same defintion for God, but ones of god and God. Which is an interesting effect that causes all the great wars. And this too, is based in racketeering. The same funders of the GOP oriented think tank debunkers are the same GOP types that make up 80% or churches. Lots of church donations come from the doctors getting rich off the cover up of the environmental AlFx problems in health.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Reynolds latest diatribe just can't seem to explain why what he claims is a technician would be writing a thesis on Breeder Reactors for ORNL and DOE.
Where uis this alleged thesis, Jimbo.

I am real easy to check out-----even online at the Univ. of Tenn library. Even on varied internet lists from people that know how to read and some that even know me:
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1311&st=0

This messageboard thread contains a link which supposedly is to your research at University of Tennessee, but it comes up blank.
http://cat.lib.utk.edu:4525/F/




it comes right up on most search engines----any kid can do one. Just not Jay Reynolds, who is real IQ challenged.

All the search engines come up with are links to your self-serving website, Jimbo.



You can't even do a simple internet search......which I guess makes you a moron or less.

Jimbo, here is what you wrote:
"Subj: Want some help? UT Lib Thesis
Date: 6/7/2004 7:36:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Magnu96196
To: KTOWN66
I found a reference to Mr. Pheps's thesis for your information.
http://cat.lib.utk.edu:4525/F/
Title Development of a switching regulator for operation in an ambient temperature of 230l°to 300l°Celsius / by James E. Phelps.
Author Phelps, James E.
Imprint 1981.
Check Availability: All items
Hodges Library / Thesis / Dissertation: Thesis81.P435
Special Collections-Archives / Thesis / Dissertation: Thesis81.P435 "

Don't blame me, Jimbo, YOUR link doesn't work. There s no such dissertation. You are a 'Crank".

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hello Halva,

Per comments:

"We are not in a position yet to lay criminal charges. That will be a job for institutions that haven't been created yet."
=====
True for you in Greece. But in the US, we shall handle those problems.



In the meantime there is no need for us to tell the world about debunkers. Most don't know of their existence, and the desideratum is to reduce the number who do, not increase it.
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You do need to confront the debunkers effectively. As the New York based Mike Fumento has fallen from grace as the reality of Gulf War Syndromes become more recognized by both Govt research and policies, so shall these jet trail based debunkers. Good studies on of the Environmental Impacts of these jet acid rainfall modifications with be the end of the debunkers. just as the good studies on GWI have become the end of the GWI debunker Fumento. One should never forget the harm these people and their political affiliates have caused to the citizens.

One must address the debunker political causes. On issues of Jet trails it is big oil connected, which in the US the orgins are the Rockefellers / Standard oil and this is also the root of the AMA and the position of MD's in the US. So, there is a common funding thread between big oil / pharmacy / and big medicine. A link that can loose everything, if exposed.

So, to decrease the existance of debunkers aiming at political propaganda and harassment, one must study and relate the why and how connections.

This means understanding the common associations between the fallen debunkers connected to GWI and the cling-on debunkers connected to big oil and big medicine.

The Common thread is the Aluminum from jet induced acid rain---lots of the things F_S was helping to expose and who was highly attacked for doing so.

I think she deserves to know why they attacked her so viciously.



Already this thread is one of their last lifelines, if not THE last.
=========

Yes, I do think so. And as I said earlier, it is almost all over for them and the environmental advocates for those exposing the truth have won.

While the vigil must not let up, the issues of global warming is becoming common sense visible. Even the Saudis and UK have turned on the Bush / GOP political garbage science.

We must keep up the issues of how to help areas like China and India in the arts of more responsible fossil fuels use methods, and not the one dictated by lowest inital costs. These HF problems from coal are massive and produce a latent net deficit health effect in populations, as well as issues linked to global warming. There must be efforts to help China and India to take up clean - coal methods, if they insist on that method.

There must be emphasis on much better energy methods, and not necessarily ones connected to fission nuclear methods.


Here and now, We are just insuring that the Debunker's dying gasps are being heard in their true perspectives here. Making them and their methods reconized and highly evident.

IMHO,
is

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209769



I see no point in wasting bandwidth by quoting you any further, Mr. Allslop. However, I could not resist giving a laugh to one of my neighbors, so I showed to her a copy of your diatribe. She is a college professor. Among the courses she teaches is English 093 (grammar mechanics and usage, sentence structure, and punctuation). The lady told me that she has flunked several students who have actually used some of your "reasoning" as an excuse for what they tried to pass off in their midterm exams.

Please do give my most sincere condolences to your ignorant neighbor, who apparently is part of the continuing problem with uneducated speakers of the English tongue who insist on perpetuating long-since discarded and useless grammatical rules. Do invite her to a language debate here: I'd love to point out the errors in her rather antiquated ways, and perhaps help her to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that she can, in future, teach language as it is used today.

Of course, you can invite her here, assuming that she really does exist, and is not just a figment of your overactive imagination?...

The give-away that you might be faking was the traps I had set in my post. Traps into which you cleanly fell. I highly doubt that a professor of College level English would have missed the thinly disguised quotations from Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, and William Shakespeare, and go on to claim that she would have failed such grand masters in grammar class!

You see, that's a trap I commonly use on individuals, such as yourself, who write fairly well yet make silly claims about how language should or should not be used. I drop in a few structures that have been used in classic quotations from great orators and writers, then I sit back to see what happens. Usually, as in your case, the victim doesn't notice and continues on blindly, making a fool of him or herself. Occasionally I am pleased to come across a true grammarian who does recognize my trap, cleanly avoids it, and calls me on it. More power to them! Unfortunately, you don't rate in that category.

Mr. Allslop, your overconfidence and unwarranted arrogance are the only visible traps here. Your ramblings turn out to be only half correct because you have once again chosen to make assumptions that are designed to ignore that which is not in your favor, as in “erecting a strawman.� Previously, I had no idea that I would have to spell out things for someone of your supposed background. Your so-called “traps� were blatantly obvious. The bits and pieces from your handpicked “classic quotations� are precisely what my neighbor referenced. Then again, you knew that. The next time I see her, I will tell her that she does not exist. That should encourage her to “duke it out� with you.

Like it or not, Mr. Allslop, in a formal writing class, Churchill and Shaw would indeed have been failed. With or without your permission, before an auto mechanic is qualified to rebuild an engine, he or she must know how the parts fit together and work as a whole. After acquiring some experience, that person can then safely improvise. The same holds true for anyone who is learning to speak or write. Maybe the current generation of rappers appeals to you. Let it all hang out!

Before you plunk down your snooty little “QED,� you might want to consider that the styles being defended by you and author Patricia T. O’Conner represent only one school of thought, so to speak.

According to Jack Lynch, Associate Professor in the English department of the Newark campus of Rutgers University, Many no-no's in a college English paper are perfectly acceptable in other contexts. (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/f.html#formal) That is just the way it is. Perhaps you would be so bold as to point out to the “ignorant� Professor Lynch his “poor knowledge of grammar rules,� not to mention “the errors in his rather antiquated ways and perhaps help him to advance to the 20th (or even 21st) century, so that he can, in future, teach language as it is used today.�

Perhaps my biggest mistake has been in misjudging my audience. I was expecting a much higher degree of sophistication and instead appear to have been met with an exceptional level of sleaze and conceited narcissism in its place.

Professor Lynch describes my dilemma, as follows:

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/a.html#audience

The key to all good writing is understanding your audience. Every time you use language, you engage in a rhetorical activity, and your attention should always be on the effect it will have on your audience.

Think of grammar and style as analogous to, say, table manners. Grammatical "rules" have no absolute, independent existence; there is no Grammar Corps to track you down for using "whose" when "of which" is more proper, just as Miss Manners employs no shock troops to massacre people who eat their salads with fish forks. You can argue, of course, that the other fork works just as well (or even better), but both the fork and the usage are entirely arbitrary and conventional. Your job as a writer is to have certain effects on your readers, readers who are continuously judging you, consciously or unconsciously. If you want to have the greatest effect, you'll adjust your style to suit the audience, however arbitrary its expectations.

A better analogue might be clothing. A college English paper calls for the rough equivalent of the jacket and tie (ladies, you're on your own here). However useless or ridiculous the tie may be, however outdated its practical value as a garment, certain social situations demand it, and if you go into a job interview wearing a T-shirt and jeans, you only hurt yourself by arguing that the necktie has no sartorial validity. Your job is to figure out what your audience expects. Likewise, if your audience wants you to avoid ending your sentences with prepositions, no amount of argument over historical validity will help.

But just as you shouldn't go under-dressed to a job interview, you shouldn't over-dress either. A white tie and tails will make you look ridiculous at a barbecue, and a pedantic insistence on grammatical bugbears will only lessen your audience's respect for you. There are occasions when ain't is more suitable than is not, and the careful writer will take the time to discover which is the more appropriate.

I may have to fine-tune my style a bit, but so much for my being “solidly routed.�

Stay tuned... There is more...

[jayreynolds]

Now this is new to me:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/520897.html
Gaiacomm: Israelis demand more satellite phones in Southeast Asia
By Zuri Dar
Gaiacomm, the Iridium Satellite Solutions representative in Israel, said yesterday that in the wake of the earthquake in Southeast Asia there has been a spike in the demand for satellite telephones by Israelis in the area of the disaster..

Er, um, the name of the comapny referred to in the article is GAYA COM.

Very sloppy hoax, Lance.
Not even close.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I guess the latest diatribe is that Reynods does not know how to use a simple library search engine. He can't do a simple author search. Can't even look up a card cat number.

http://cat.lib.utk.edu:4525/F/XUR9IR957CV7YCMANH2RIKJ48J7ESEVGDISC66QMGNQXC1SHMT-02535?func=full-set-set&set_number=000106&set_entry=000002&format=999


Seeming all the Reynolds debunk crime syndicates cannot even read or function as normal people.

When "halva" started this discussion the invitation was to persons that can read and write, not to criminals intent on pulling the wool over the citizens eyes using debunking methods connected to political propagandizing.

Why are you here, if you can't even run a search engine? All the activists don't have those problems.

I don't think there was an invitation for political propaganda misinformation games. That is assumed by your sick ilk's minds.

You have finalized your image as an idiot here.

Take your idiocy somewhere else, as the intelligant and honest persons here have no respect for you or your offensive methods and rackett syndicate.

IMHO,
is

[The Shadow]

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209484



To be quite blunt, in my opinion, a bull’s-eye tattooed to your forehead would make a great improvement to your appearance.

Internet bluster from a powerless Diane Harvey.
Bring it on.

Do not tempt me, Mr. Reynolds.

The Shadow knows that there are many who would know what to do with it...

[gaiacomm]

Er, um, the name of the comapny referred to in the article is GAYA COM.

Very sloppy hoax, Lance.
Not even close.


Excellent:'

They responded with the correction. It did not make since to me either. No hoax just let my BITCHES here find out for me!

Thank you

[gaiacomm]

Please allow me, Stuart.







I like it! Now I have something for you!

[gaiacomm]

Why would I want to do that, when it isn't true? They ARE the same person! Just diffferent personalities in that tumbled, jumbled schizophrenic cavity where most people have a brain, but still part and parcel of the same person.

Nice try, though!

Mr. Allslop

Ask JR and company!

[stuart_allsop]

Watch carefully as the infamous Allsops, Yaak, Reynolds gang attempt to change the subject off the explanation of the purpose of titanium used in air-pharmacalogy methods.How could we change the subject, when ther is no such subject?


We all know that Jet Planes make these huge trails that seed clouds across the skies where the flight corridors are densest.No, we all know that jet planes make those huge trails across the sky that ARE clouds! Contrails ar clouds, and behave just like any other cloud. The only reason they get noticed more is becauhse they form in long streaks directly behind aircraft, and form geometric shapes in the sky, due to intersecting airways and navigational maneuvers.


This means these jet planes induce more rainfall onto the land masses. Possibly, and that certainly is a concern, but the jury is still out on that one. It isn't clear yet whether contrails increase albedo sufficiently to produce a net cooling effect on the atmosphere, or if they trap heat below sufficiently to produce a net heating effect. Research is on-going, but so far there are not many concrete results.


Then we know that the air is fouled with acid rain these days from coal burningWEll, coal burning is just one source. There are other.
and all this jet cloud seeding is going to increase the rain down of the acid rain onto the land masses.Doubtful, and like I said, the jury is still out. Besides, contrails for at altitudes well above those of rain-bearing clouds. It is highly doubtful that they would have an cloud-seeding effect. They are way too high, and in case contain way to olittle water.


This acid rain causes the release of toxic metals, like aluminum, into the food chain. I think you are way overestimating the PH values of acid rain! Besides, what reaction are you suggesting that would cause aluminium to be released into the atmposphere? Please show the equation for the reaction that you haev in mind.


We know the acid rain is predominately sulfuric, hydrochloric, and hydrogen fluoride based.No we don't know that. All we know is that you are claiming it. Please provide proof of your claim, such as a link to a peer-reviewd papaer in a respected scientific journal, which shows that your claims are true.


We also know that hydrogen fluoride is a poison, in fact, a very serious cumulative poison. A poison that upsets trace metals, as explained in pesticide toxicity.Once again, links please. I'm not disgagreeing with you: just asking for links that support your claim.


What else do we know, that fluoride is the most electronegative atom and likes to complex with metals in the environment, food chain, and inside man.One more time, links please. While I don't disagree with you, you are getting away from my fields of expertise, and I'd like to check that what you say is totally correct.


This effect sets up a see-saw effect with the toxic trace metals and the benefical trace metals. Rising fluoride drives the beneficial trace metals down the the toxic trace metals higher, like a see-saw opposition.Now you are going out on a limb. You'll need to provide links to research papers demonstrating a cause-and-effect relationship between "beneficial trace metals" and "toxic trace metals", and also links to papers showing generally increasing levels in one, and generally decreasing levels in the other, with all of this being linked to acid rain.


The poison called HF and fluoride compounds complex with toxic metals like aluminum to make it more bioavailable and even set up to mimic G-proteins within the body and act like vaccine adjuvants. This sets up dangerous factors with dendritic cells of the lymph nodes. Fluorides make the beneficial trace metals like manganese less bioavailable by making them insoluble, and this is a prime factor in retrovirus control within cells. links, links and more links.


We even know the issues of prion illness is connected to these processes by raising the cytokine called TNFa that enable the passage of the blood brain barrier of these aluminum and fluorides. We even know the prion process involves the folding patterns that are controlled by these trace metals.[/quotes]No, we don't know any of the above. We know that you are making an awful lot of claims, without providing any evidence to suport them. You have made a very long chain of highly questionable claims, without showing any evidence at all to support your claims. Please do so, if you expect us to believe you.

[quote]So, when we add titanium into the global equationWhoa!!! Slow down! Where did you get that from? Who added titanium? Please show your evidence that titanium is being deteced in unusually large quantiteis in the environment, worldwide. I'm not aware of any such study. But I may have missed it, so please do show us where you found that titanium is on the increase in the envirnment, globally.


We even know that fluorides in the atmosphere are many many times more potent at absorbing IR heating than CO-2.Links please.


HF is rising in the upper atmosphere,Links please.


and the ban on CFC did nothing to stop that effect.as was prediceted by knowledgeable scientists BEFORE the ban, but whose voices were ignored in the clamor for "politcal correctness". Banning CFC's did major damaged to the world's econommies, and to the environment, by forcing industry to use alternatives that are far more expensive, and require far more energy to produce and handle.


The fluoride ion concentrations over the poles are many times what the non-polar concentrations in the air around the globe.Links to peer reviews resarch papers that demonstrate this to be true, please. Papers that take into account not just ions, but rather the entire concetrations.


This ionazation and magnetic field effect concentrate all the IR absorbers to the polar zones.[/quotes]LInks please.

[quote] watch very carefully, as these environment crooks attempt their corrupted stage shows, There are real criminal reasons for their insanities.I ABsolutely agree. The envirnmentalist crooks who promoted the Ozone CFC scam are the same onse now promoting the "man-made global warming" scam, the Kyoto protocl, and a whole bunch of other scams. They sure are criminals, and the certainly should be jailed.


They are causing all manner of insane scenes to avoid the titanium factors from being recognized by the environmental factions, especially those factions looking at jet plane acid rain making.[/quotes]LInks please. Especailly to the research that is being done on acid rain caused by jet aircraft.

[quote] http://www.priondata.org/data/A_2002C.html

I looked at your prion-org link, and found only one paper that mentions metals. It discusses how prion disease affects metal balance in the brain, particularly copper and manganese, showing that these leves change drastically AS A RESULT of the desease. In other words, the metal alterations are an EFFECT of prion disease, not a CAUSE of it. The papaer also doesn not mention aluminium, flourides, or titanium.



Lymph nodal prion replication and neuroinvasion in mice devoid of follicular
dendritic cells
Prinz M, Montrasio F, Klein MA, Schwarz P, Priller J, Odermatt B, Pfeffer K,
Aguzzi A. .
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002 Jan 22;99(2):919-24.
Institute of Neuropathology, University Hospital of Zurich,
Schmelzbergstrasse 12, CH-8091 Zurich, Switzerland.
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and scrapie are typically initiated by
extracerebral exposure to prions, and exhibit early prion accumulation in germinal
centers. Follicular dendritic cells (FDCs), whose development and maintenance
in germinal centers depends on tumor necrosis factor (TNF) and lymphotoxin
(LT) signaling, are thought to be indispensable for extraneural prion
pathogenesis. Here, we administered prions intraperitoneally to mice deficient for TNF
and LT signaling components. LT alpha(-/-), LT beta(-/-), LT betaR(-/-), and LT
alpha(-/-) x TNFalpha(-/-) mice resisted infection and contained no
infectivity in spleens and lymph nodes (when present). However, TNFR1(-/-), TNFR2(-/-),
and some TNFalpha(-/-) mice developed scrapie similarly to wild-type mice.
High prion titers were detected in lymph nodes, but not spleens, of TNFR1(-/-)
and TNF alpha(-/-) mice despite absence of FDCs and germinal centers. Transfer
of TNFR1(-/-) fetal liver cells into lethally irradiated Prnp(0/0) mice
restored infectivity mainly in lymph nodes. Prion protein (PrP) colocalized with a
minority of macrophages in tumor necrosis factor receptor (TNFR) 1(-/-) lymph
nodes. Therefore, prion pathogenesis can be restricted to lymphoreticular
subcompartments, and mature follicular dendritic cells are dispensable for this
process. Macrophage subsets are plausible candidates for lymphoreticular prion
pathogenesis and neuroinvasion in the absence of FDCs, and may represent a novel
target for postexposure prophylaxis.

And your point is? What does prion disease in mouse lymph nodes have to do your hypothesis?

[gaiacomm]

Hi,

Watch carefully as the infamous Allsops, Yaak, Reynolds gang attempt to change the subject off the explanation of the purpose of titanium used in air-pharmacalogy methods.

We all know that Jet Planes make these huge trails that seed clouds across the skies where the flight corridors are densest. This means these jet planes induce more rainfall onto the land masses. Most of us can watch these processes happen before our very eyes in the skies.

Then we know that the air is fouled with acid rain these days from coal burning and all this jet cloud seeding is going to increase the rain down of the acid rain onto the land masses. This acid rain causes the release of toxic metals, like aluminum, into the food chain.

We know the acid rain is predominately sulfuric, hydrochloric, and hydrogen fluoride based. We also know that hydrogen fluoride is a poison, in fact, a very serious cumulative poison. A poison that upsets trace metals, as explained in pesticide toxicity.

What else do we know, that fluoride is the most electronegative atom and likes to complex with metals in the environment, food chain, and inside man. This effect sets up a see-saw effect with the toxic trace metals and the benefical trace metals. Rising fluoride drives the beneficial trace metals down the the toxic trace metals higher, like a see-saw opposition.

The poison called HF and fluoride compounds complex with toxic metals like aluminum to make it more bioavailable and even set up to mimic G-proteins within the body and act like vaccine adjuvants. This sets up dangerous factors with dendritic cells of the lymph nodes. Fluorides make the beneficial trace metals like manganese less bioavailable by making them insoluble, and this is a prime factor in retrovirus control within cells.

We even know the issues of prion illness is connected to these processes by raising the cytokine called TNFa that enable the passage of the blood brain barrier of these aluminum and fluorides. We even know the prion process involves the folding patterns that are controlled by these trace metals.

So, when we add titanium into the global equation to compete in the soils, food chain, and inside the human body for the fluorine atom, we can short circuit the formation of these bad F-metal complexes that go to set up the blood-brain-barrier passage, and the process that causes the prion mutation.

We even know that fluorides in the atmosphere are many many times more potent at absorbing IR heating than CO-2. HF is rising in the upper atmosphere, and the ban on CFC did nothing to stop that effect. The fluoride ion concentrations over the poles are many times what the non-polar concentrations in the air around the globe. This ionazation and magnetic field effect concentrate all the IR absorbers to the polar zones.

Do, watch very carefully, as these environment crooks attempt their corrupted stage shows, running in circles smelling each others squishy zones. There are real criminal reasons for their insanities.

They are causing all manner of insane scenes to avoid the titanium factors from being recognized by the environmental factions, especially those factions looking at jet plane acid rain making.

IMHO,
is



http://www.priondata.org/data/A_2002C.html


Lymph nodal prion replication and neuroinvasion in mice devoid of follicular
dendritic cells
Prinz M, Montrasio F, Klein MA, Schwarz P, Priller J, Odermatt B, Pfeffer K,
Aguzzi A. .
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002 Jan 22;99(2):919-24.
Institute of Neuropathology, University Hospital of Zurich,
Schmelzbergstrasse 12, CH-8091 Zurich, Switzerland.
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and scrapie are typically initiated by
extracerebral exposure to prions, and exhibit early prion accumulation in germinal
centers. Follicular dendritic cells (FDCs), whose development and maintenance
in germinal centers depends on tumor necrosis factor (TNF) and lymphotoxin
(LT) signaling, are thought to be indispensable for extraneural prion
pathogenesis. Here, we administered prions intraperitoneally to mice deficient for TNF
and LT signaling components. LT alpha(-/-), LT beta(-/-), LT betaR(-/-), and LT
alpha(-/-) x TNFalpha(-/-) mice resisted infection and contained no
infectivity in spleens and lymph nodes (when present). However, TNFR1(-/-), TNFR2(-/-),
and some TNFalpha(-/-) mice developed scrapie similarly to wild-type mice.
High prion titers were detected in lymph nodes, but not spleens, of TNFR1(-/-)
and TNF alpha(-/-) mice despite absence of FDCs and germinal centers. Transfer
of TNFR1(-/-) fetal liver cells into lethally irradiated Prnp(0/0) mice
restored infectivity mainly in lymph nodes. Prion protein (PrP) colocalized with a
minority of macrophages in tumor necrosis factor receptor (TNFR) 1(-/-) lymph
nodes. Therefore, prion pathogenesis can be restricted to lymphoreticular
subcompartments, and mature follicular dendritic cells are dispensable for this
process. Macrophage subsets are plausible candidates for lymphoreticular prion
pathogenesis and neuroinvasion in the absence of FDCs, and may represent a novel
target for postexposure prophylaxis.



Keep up the good work. Those idiots are just having some fun with me, but people are getting the message that you all post. I don't mind having them attempt to debunk me. Its hard when you are blind and cannot see. Sometimes they will run into something along the way.

They are nothing but putty on a plate!

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allslop

You have way too much time on your hands! Why not solve aircraft drama!

[jayreynolds]

http://cat.lib.utk.edu:4525/F/XUR9IR957CV7YCMANH2RIKJ48J7ESEVGDISC66QMGNQXC1SHMT-02535?func=full-set-set&set_number=000106&set_entry=000002&format=999


Ok, thanks very much for providing a correct link to your claim.
Very nice.
This is progress.

Let's get back to your previous claims, which you have failed to support with any documentation at all.

Now, you claim to have invented Haarp while working at Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
Who supervised your work, give us a name.
You claim to have developed 'air pharmacology', which you identify as being "chemtrails", while working at Oak Ridge National Labs.
Who supervised your work, and who were your co-workers at that time? Names, dates, etc, are what real 'whistleblowers' provide, not just "believe me".

Don't think I'm going to stop asking these questions, Jimbo. Your feet are in the fire.

[jayreynolds]

Do not tempt me, Mr. Reynolds.

The Shadow knows that there are many who would know what to do with it...

The fact remains that you are a powerless bunch of bits on a screen, and are too embarrassed to even use your real name. There really isn't much more to say.
If you wish to try and "put a bulls-eye" on my head, BRING IT ON.

But you won't, because you are nothing.........

[stuart_allsop]

What is the central issue or theme----always GOP interests----always Debunking harassment to attempt to convince the gullible public there is nothing there---Huh? The GOP runs Oak Ridge? How'd you figure that?


the fluoride syndergism that sets up this see-saw effect with the toxic and benefical trace metals. An effect that is directly connected to prion, alzheimers, all immune illnesses, and all cancers.That/s a pretty broad claim! How about some real solid scinetific research papares to back it up?


This little heads-up should give all the environmental folks are real good idea of the type of criminal elements that are connected to the term "Debunker" and all their political affiliations.PLease do tell me exactly what type of "criminal elements" I am connceted with, and alose please do tell me about my poilitcal affiliations. I'd love to see what you have to say, and even more I'd love to see the evidence that you base youir opinions on.


Debunking is mostly a case of racketeering, treason against the citizens rights to know, and destruction of the US Constitution.No, debunking is mostly a case of FIGHTING the recketeering that goes on among the various scammers, hoaxsters, con-men, snake-oil sellers, and outright frauds that abound in the conspiracy-theory world, who try their best to hawl theri worthless wares to gullible citizens, in arrogant defiance of the US constitution, and pretty much every other law known to man. (Something tells me you need to check the meaning of the word "debunk" in the dictionary...)


So, as the new year approaches---lets all spread the word on these debunking connections and even make some criminal charges against these persons of evil intent.Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

[stuart_allsop]

Debunking is a very lucrative occupation connected to GOP oriented think tanks with the sole mission to convey political propaganda for a given cause and verbally assault the opposition.You have the right to remain silent, you know. And everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

To the honest intelligent types here,

If you take a look at the thesis on Clinch River Reactor Fueling electronics, the one thing that becomes evident is that semiconductor electronics is healed of radiation damage to the crystal lattice. The higher the temp., the more resistant the electronic semiconductors to radiation damage.

This was a positive synergistic effect that was exploited to make semiconductor electronic systems run inside the molten salt environment of a nuclear reactor. Radiation damage and high temps work well in offsetting damage factors.

It was this synergistic effect that I sought in most all designs after that and went looking for them. The next really impressive syndergism I found was the one in the atmosphere that caused the ozone hole from the ionization of freon. The radiation ionization of the upper atmosphere broke down the freon into Cl and F components that the Earth's mag field pulled to the pole. So, that explained the ozone hole predominate mechanism.

I also looked for other synergism effects and another one appeared from looking at the toxic effects for fluorine. It was discovered that either fluorine or toxic metals alone had a lesser toxic effect that combinations of fluorine and metals. The combinations of fluorine with metals had very dangerous problems connected to gas diffision plant releases.

What cracked the issue wide open was the suggestions that G-protein mimics were formed by the combination of fluorine and metal. This G-protein discoverer went on to win the Nobel Prize in 94. But his early works on this effect as it related to fluorine and aluminum linked up the central issue of how vaccine adjuvants worked, and even lead to the discovery of the principle mechanisms behind AIDS transmission and Prion linked illnesses.

So, that little thesis on the topic of high temp and high rad synergism lead to an entire cascade of discoveries involving sysnergistic related issues in the atmosphere and within the human body related to fluorine. The high temp electronics is even of use in well logging operations, which is how I came to follow some of the oil well issues and oil systems issues.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Mr. Allsop words:

Cool! Bring it on? You know where to find me. But I do hope you have plenty of spare money hanging around, because you'll need it to settle the libel and slander judgments brought against you. I suggest that you should be very, very careful about whom you accuse of treason and of criminal activities. Those are pretty serious accusations, so you'd better start coming up with some pretty serious evidence. And if you can't do that, then you'd better start calling your lawyer to find out about defending yourself against charges of defamation of character, libel, slander, and whatever else we debunkers can make stick. Calling someone a criminal in writing and in public, when you don't have even the slightest cause to suspect any such thing, is a pretty major issue.

I strongly suggest that you might want to consider either retracting those acusations, or putting your unfounded threats into action by actually bringing criminal charges against those whom you have accused. But do be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Mr. Allsop:
I would assume that would apply to statements made to Gaiacomm and others involved!
So, I expect the same!

[gaiacomm]

Jim:'

Your data is good. Keep up the good work. These idiots are not scientists they pretend.

I am impressed with your work. If you notice they never have forward data that corrects or even assumes correct results. You are dealing with a farmer (JR) and a wanatbe NTSB employee (ALLSOP).

Don't even convince them. Its difficult to educate those that are already in trouble with themselves. Your link to your site enlightened me, Thank you!

[stuart_allsop]

True for you in Greece. But in the US, we shall handle those problems.So go ahead! I'm calling your bluff. Do your worst!


You do need to confront the debunkers effectively.To do that you'd have to have some knowledge of science, some ability to reason, and some intelligence. All of thos are sorely lacking among the chem kook krowd.


Good studies on of the Environmental Impacts of these jet acid rainfall modifications with be the end of the debunkers.What studies would those be? Please do show them..


One should never forget the harm these people and their political affiliates have caused to the citizens.My lawyer thanks you for making his job easier. He thknks that acustiaons like that are a gold mine.. :) (I'm looking foraward to this! MAybe I will be able to make some money at debunking, after all!!!)

[gaiacomm]

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:j_sBtPRl_NUJ:www.church-service.com/member.php%3Fu%3D3449+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:dEBvm9oyNx8J:profiles.yahoo.com/Stuart_Allsop+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

Data:

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:dEBvm9oyNx8J:profiles.yahoo.com/Stuart_Allsop+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

More data:
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:A7vRBT-PyiEJ:www.ebola-virus.org/showthread.php%3Fp%3D912511+stuart_allsop&hl=en

[gaiacomm]

And more:

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:QCnYIg_a85UJ:www.itshappening.com/showpost.php%3Fp%3D600728%26postcount%3D79+stuart_ allsop&hl=en