It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature

[gaiacomm]

Sure, Jim. First of all, I'm not Jewish by birth or belief. I'm Christian.
The labyrinth image goes along with the linked article about my year-long trials forcing EPA to respond to Carnicom about the stuff he sent to their headquarters demanding that they analyze it. I made extensive and masterful use of the FOIA, and much correspondence to get a response. The image is an allegory for the food chain you have to travel when dealing with people in government. They eventually sent his stuff back, and told him to analyze it himself, which he has never done, to my knowledge.

Yes, I worked as Port Engineer for General Offshore Corp. In St Croix, Virgin Islands. I was responsible for logistical supply and maintenance for several vessels which they used to conduct quality control testing of sonobouys dropped from P-3 aircraft. I also operated and maintained their power plants at Ham's Bluff and East End sites. Nothng high level, although I did have a security clearance, like everybody else. In all, I worked there about two years, before being rehired at Hess Oil as Fired Boiler maintenance supervisor, as a contractor for Industrial Maintenance Corp.

I'm proud of all the good work I did for Hess, GO, GE, and IMC. But the most satisfying work has been my current work, which is strictly for ME.

Still waiting for that fuel analysis, Jim...............



Blah....Blah.....Blah!

[Yaak]

Oh My,

More lies from Jewish JR, from the land of the Dallas Jews and big oil that killed JFK.

JR falsely states (which is so very typical of his and his ilk's methods) that:

"However, Jim has already claimed that there is a fuel additive which contains trimethyl aluminum"

"is" stated there was a hint of a chemtrails method in the form of a rocket test using TMA, there was nothing claimed on TMA used in jet fuel. TMA was an example for nano-particle aluminum released to the atmosphere that involves the Al seeding technique. One of the first ideas for such a method. All clearly stated, which makes the JR claim above a lie.

JR caught lying again. How many times does this make-22,000 since 1963?

"is" said there were special Al compounds that do work well in jet fuels.

Chemtrail methods are not limited to jet engine methods, as there are several methods. I also clearly stated that the ultimate idea on chemtrail methods was to use the refineries themselves to get aluminum into the jet fuels.

Interesting this close "We" association that JR has with the oil industry that screw up the planet with man-made releases of CO2, sulfur, and other sooty global warming nasties. Even more interesting the time he puts into this debunker web page of his for his big oil "We" buddies. And the pictures of Atlas and Labyrinth, all big national security linked symbols.

Tell us about the real story for the labyrinth, and the load you carry for the Dallas oil buddies.
This is your web page photo call sign, isn't it: http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/

Tell us of your road to Jerusalem JR:
===
http://www.lessons4living.com/chartres_labyrinth.htm

This labyrinth was meant to be walked but is reported to be infrequently used today. In the past it could be walked as a pilgrimage and/or for repentance. As a pilgrimage it was a questing, searching journey with the hope of becoming closer to God. When used for repentance the pilgrims would walk on their knees. Sometimes this eleven-circuit labyrinth would serve as a substitute for an actual pilgrimage to Jerusalem and as a result came to be called the "Chemin de Jerusalem" or Road of Jerusalem.
===

Tell us the Greek form and Masonic Egypian form also.

I guess we are left to wonder who pays him for all that hard work and spending all this time on the internet.

Tell everyone JR of all the many aluminum processes used by refineries --- there are lots of patented Al processes to boost the yeilds of processes.

And do tell us about all the metals contamination in the oil refining processes.


And lets get into your involvement with the submarine detection monitoring system, which points to a high level association with the Navy and national security types that like to run cover ups and diversions. And even associations to Sea Wolf type systems, which ORNL is highly involved.

Some things are obvious, like the agenda of JR and his ilk. And of course, the continual stream of lies for the "We" of the big oil world.

IMHO,
isNice job, Jim. I could actually read this. It's good to know that you sober-up on occasion. Please accept my apology if it is necessary for you to take a medication(s) that causes you to be incoherent most of the time.

Jimmy says of Jay, "Even more interesting the time he puts into this debunker web page of his for his big oil "We" buddies."
What about the time you spend on the Internet promoting hoaxes? Hmmm?

Here is a partial list of the companies I have contracted at as a Product Design Engineer, and Circuit Board Designer:

Collins Radio Company (one of the Illuminati families)
Northrup
Hughes
Raytheon
Motorola
Westinghouse
Alcoa Aluminum
Gulton Industries
Loral Information Display
Link Flight Simulators
KC Aviation
Sandia National Lab
Los Alamos National Lab
Digital Equipment
US Geological Survey
Carson Astronomical
Emerson Electric
Intellon
Rockwell International
EG & G
Navini Networks
DRS Sensor Sytems
Ford Aerospace
Cadillac Gage (Textron)
Wilcox Electric
Siemans
Magnavox
Avco Aviation

What do you think, Jimbo? Does my contracting history make me out to be a sinister character? Perhaps a NWO lackey? (working on the innards of those black helicopters was the most fun :D )

[whitemajikman]

Jim will never post any Analysis Jay and thats because he is just another Activist like Wayne that thinks they can bullshit and scare people into believing their agenda's........

Jim's Agenda is to shut down all nuclear powerplants ...........

Wayne's Agenda is to gain political influence using Man-made Global warming as his weapon of choice........

Both have failed miserably in their Activism..........

They both keep saying more and more scientist's are taking them seriously and Jim has even LIED and DECEIVED the public by saying he invented Haarp and worked at oak ridge ............

And in doing so Has Lied to Wayne about his supposed Importance.

Jim Phelps is considered a Lunatic by his Anti-nuke Activist friends.............

And has been told by them to stop his rediculous fear producing rantings because they are not based on FACT.

But Jim refuses to Acknowledge that he is OUT OF CONTROL.......

And Needs Psychiatric Help........

Just As Wayne tries to Ignore that Jim Phelps Needs Psychiatric Help............

And the fact That Jim wants to Shut all Nuclear Power Down ........

Now it does not take a genius to figure out that by Shutting all Nuclear power down at this time ,would increase the use of Fossil Fuels,which Wayne wants to shut down.........

Activism is not what it used to be.........

And the quality of Activist's have diminished greatly which is in evidence here by these two wannabe's.............

They are all losing their voices in the political arena because they have led many into believing Hoaxes and Conspiracy Theories .........

Activism is now looked upon as the rantings of Conspiracy nuts...........

WAYNE HALL & JIM PHELPS have decided to band together even though their choice for activism are opposing one anothers principals,and in doing so they have no hope in this Lifetime of ever reaching their goals..................

While Wayne is guilty of promoting a hoax,Jim is guilty of Insanity....................

They both Think that they can keep manipulating The Public without ever being Investigated for their Fraud.

or Facing any type of consequences ...........

It just goes to prove how little they really know about reality...................

And for them reality really does Bite back..........

LOOK UP.......................... BUILDING A CASE.

Also Look up .................what happens to PEOPLE whom think they are above the Law.

And then do an image search on my avatar Jim..........

And find out what is really going on............


As I said before your days are numbered...............


WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It would appear things fall short of truth from JR, once again. Labyrins always have two aspects, if not multiple ones.

All that web page from just chasing around little ole Cliffy. Wow, your poor wife must feel neglected.

Labyrinths mean to most persons a way of concealing a deep dark secret, like the ones that are the roots of Moses religion. Labyrinths are prisons for knowledge. They block escape and entrance.

They also are prime Mason symbolisms.

Persons that fly the symbol of a labyrinth connect with much more:
===
http://www.theosophical-society.org.uk/html/insight_articles/novdec2001_theosophical_labyrinth.html
=
The word “labyrinth” comes from Greek, but is probably based upon a non-Greek word, perhaps the term labrys from the Lydian language of Asia Minor, a term for a double-headed axe. The latter was a symbol of royalty and of divinity in the ancient Near East, and is symbolically appropriate because the labyrinth has two aspects. It cuts, as it were, two ways.
=
Church labyrinths are sometimes romantically associated with the Knights Templar, King Solomon’s Temple, and the Freemasons, but their purpose seems to have been simpler and less mysterious. Christians had a religious practice of going on pilgrimages to holy sites; many wanted to make the journey to the holiest shrine of all Christendom, Jerusalem. That pilgrimage was, however, expensive, arduous, dangerous, and often impossible while the Holy Land was in the possession of the Muslims. Consequently a substitute was needed - walking the labyrinth in a church. And from that use came the name ‘Jerusalem’ for the labyrinth.
=
Crete had been long ruled by King Minos, who was a very powerful and clever king. He was happily married to Queen Pasiphae, who had given him eight fine children but who, in punishment for a sin the King had committed against the god Poseidon, also bore a monster with the body of a man and the head of a bull. It was called the Minotaur, which means Minos’s Bull. To hide his shame, King Minos ordered his architect Daedalus to build a mazelike prison, with such complex corridors and passages that no one who entered the building could find his way out again. It was called the Labyrinth. And Minos put the Minotaur into it, to live in its centre and be forever hidden there.
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Persons using the labyrinth are usually very greedy like ole King Minos and his ugly son.

Not a very good sign to present as the lead feature on a web page, unless you want to announce your intentions to hide, cover up things, and deceive others.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Jim will never post any Analysis Jay and thats because he is just another Activist like Wayne that thinks they can bullshit and scare people into believing their agenda's........

Jim's Agenda is to shut down all nuclear powerplants ...........

Wayne's Agenda is to gain political influence using Man-made Global warming as his weapon of choice........

Both have failed miserably in their Activism..........

They both keep saying more and more scientist's are taking them seriously and Jim has even LIED and DECEIVED the public by saying he invented Haarp and worked at oak ridge ............

And in doing so Has Lied to Wayne about his supposed Importance.

Jim Phelps is considered a Lunatic by his Anti-nuke Activist friends.............

And has been told by them to stop his rediculous fear producing rantings because they are not based on FACT.

But Jim refuses to Acknowledge that he is OUT OF CONTROL.......

And Needs Psychiatric Help........

Just As Wayne tries to Ignore that Jim Phelps Needs Psychiatric Help............

And the fact That Jim wants to Shut all Nuclear Power Down ........

Now it does not take a genius to figure out that by Shutting all Nuclear power down at this time ,would increase the use of Fossil Fuels,which Wayne wants to shut down.........

Activism is not what it used to be.........

And the quality of Activist's have diminished greatly which is in evidence here by these two wannabe's.............

They are all losing their voices in the political arena because they have led many into believing Hoaxes and Conspiracy Theories .........

Activism is now looked upon as the rantings of Conspiracy nuts...........

WAYNE HALL & JIM PHELPS have decided to band together even though their choice for activism are opposing one anothers principals,and in doing so they have no hope in this Lifetime of ever reaching their goals..................

While Wayne is guilty of promoting a hoax,Jim is guilty of Insanity....................

They both Think that they can keep manipulating The Public without ever being Investigated for their Fraud.

or Facing any type of consequences ...........

It just goes to prove how little they really know about reality...................

And for them reality really does Bite back..........

LOOK UP.......................... BUILDING A CASE.

Also Look up .................what happens to PEOPLE whom think they are above the Law.

And then do an image search on my avatar Jim..........

And find out what is really going on............


As I said before your days are numbered...............


WMM



You have no more power than in your piss stream when you piss!

You are just a cyberjunkie like us all pretending to be what you can't be in public!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Then there is this interesting "Atlas" symbolism on JR's bio page:
http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/aboutjay.html

Atlas symbolism is again religion. About keeping Heaven separate from Earth.
Kinda like keeping Jesus from returning to Earth, or chemtrails from being connected to the second coming global disasters.

And everyone knows what will happen when all the knowledge in Heaven gets shared among the sheeple of Earth. End-Times-----end of the big lie.

Again, the symbols ole JR is flying are not about openness and honesty. It is a lot of moaning in keeping the truth divided.

IMHO,
is

http://z.about.com/6/o/ec.htm?gs=ancienthistory&xg=Ancient/Classical%20History&ch=homework
Atlas led the Titans against Zeus in the Titanomachy. Atlas the Titan was punished by having to hold the heavens apart from the Earth.
===
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Atlas.html
But he is best known for bearing on his shoulders the pillars that keep earth and heaven apart. This burden, a heavy one and difficult to grasp, is the punishment Zeus imposed on him for having been the leader of the TITANS during their war against the OLYMPIANS [see Titanomachy]. And Atlas, they say, though pre-eminent in strength, moans as he holds the vault of the sky on his back.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hiddy Yuckster,

I have always found that the qualities to design PC boards requires an enriched degree in mental apathy.

Just cause you work on the bottom rung of many companies doesn't mean a lot. Just call ya grunt. OK with U?

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gaia is a much better symbol to fly.....
One can even learn of Gaia:
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Gaia.html

Gaia is the Earth. She is the offspring of Chaos or comes into being after it.

Gaia appears The first to exist was Chaos, a void of unexplained origin. After Chaos, Gaia appeared, whether she was the offspring of Chaos or not, and also Eros, through whom the whole Cosmos came to be; for the world is not created, but procreated through Love and intercourse.

[Yaak]

By golly, Jimmy Boy truly is lucid today. I hope he is able to stay that way (for all of our sakes). I am curious as to how your lucidity will effect you honesty. Something tells me you'll be back in a fog shortly, though.

I am pleased that you were not intimidated by my contracting history. No one should be, how silly, but many chemmies are. Maybe later when the fog rolls in again your perspective will change.

***************************************

Happy Thanksgiving, all.

[whitemajikman]

You have no more power than in your piss stream when you piss!

You are just a cyberjunkie like us all pretending to be what you can't be in public!


How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

You have been outed before GaiaCON............

And so has WAYNE.

realize that this is kind of a sh*t stirring post, but I am in an ornery mood today. I was reading through the Arianna forum, and I found this little quote from Halva:
�I would like therefore to explain exactly why it is that, in the interests of democracy, and not only democracy, I would - and whenever possible will - ban every political expression of Reynolds and his followers, and if I ever get the power to, I will have him put in prison.�

and

�
The crime for which Reynolds would be put in prison would be the deliberate propagation of dangerous falsehoods.�

Perhaps some one should explain to our Greek friend that one of the cornerstones of justice in the democratic world is the idea that everyone is entitled to a fair trial with a jury of ones peers. If you, halva, were to some how obtain the power to jail people based on your personal whims, that would not be a democracy, but a dictatorship. (I also find it rather telling that Halva, a Greek citizen, is fantasizing about having the power to jail an American citizen, talk about globalism.)

I realize that few people here like Jay (the understatement of the year award ), but no matter how antipathy you have for him, you have to admit, that he has Halva pegged pretty good here:
�Wayne, such a boor.
Thinks he can boss anyone he pleases.
Little Stalin.“

I find this especially amusing when I think back on Halva’s behavior during the whole Council business.

Also, based on his behavior on the Arianna forum, and including his constant spamming here, my assessment of Gaiacomm, already low to begin with, has dropped completely through the floor.

Sorry about the vent, but I thought that the thread was rather interesting until the straw dogs, Gaiacomm and liakopoulos, decided to trash it.




Mech
New Member



posts,

posted 04-05-2004 08:54 AM
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Take your mudslinging elsewhere please.
This thread is being moved to FREEFORM.



Molliani
Senior Member


Illinois
420 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-07-2004 12:49 AM
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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Wolf_Larson:
[ I was reading through the Arianna forum, and I found this little quote from Halva:

I would like therefore to explain exactly why it is that, in the interests of democracy, and not only democracy, I would - and whenever possible will - ban every political expression of Reynolds and his followers]

A message to Halva:
Real democracy is built on debate.

[Also, based on his behavior on the Arianna forum, and including his constant spamming here, my assessment of Gaiacomm, already low to begin with, has dropped completely through the floor. ]

Wolf
Gaiacomm is a fraud. Why this forum hasn't caught on to him is beyond me.
He was pretty much debunked last year.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=15179

Three fun filled pages . . . . enjoy.




JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe



Northeast
1044 posts, Jul 2003

posted 04-07-2004 04:04 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by Molliani:

Gaiacomm is a fraud. Why this forum hasn't caught on to him is beyond me.
He was pretty much debunked last year.

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Who says this forum hasn't caught on to him yet? I had his number a LONG time ago.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by JerseyBluEyz on 04-07-2004]



Molliani
Senior Member


Illinois
420 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-07-2004 04:40 PM
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by JerseyBluEyz:
[Who says this forum hasn't caught on to him yet?]

Yes Jersey that's exactly what I said.

[QUOTE]: Molliani:

[Wolf
Gaiacomm is a fraud. Why this forum hasn't caught on to him is beyond me.
He was pretty much debunked last year.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=15179

Three fun filled pages . . . . enjoy.]

BTW - Good expose by Bone and Jay on
the Arianna forum and special credit to
Halva for starting the thread.






halva2
New Member


Greece
10 posts, Apr 2004

posted 04-07-2004 08:47 PM
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Anyone who wants to actually read the debate at Arianna's will see how much value can be attributed to the words of Molliani.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by halva2 on 04-07-2004]





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..............LOL

Gaia CONMAN.........

WMM

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Wayne, I see you forgot to take my buddy chem11 on about his high-sulfate in jet fuel business.
http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=Discussion&action=display&num=1101310441

Why didn't you turn him on to the latest research out of the IATA?
http://www.qinetiq.com/home/core_skills/future_systems_technologies/fstenergy/fuels_lubes/aviaiton_fuels_committee.html

He especially should be interested in annex D!
=====================
Also, to make sure he becomes conversant with the technical aspects of Jet fuels, here is some more homework for him.
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/aviationfuel/toc.shtm
=====================
When he gets done in, say, about ten years, have him come back and we'll be ready for debate.
ha!
Get after it, Wayne, and a whole new world will open up for you, if you are really interested in REALITY and not just the same-old-same-old HOAX business.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Yuckster,

I do believe you might be overselling yourself, as most of the chemtrail activists must not be impressed with ya. I think it is called we tend to ignore ya. As Such, Your logic is a little inverted below.

"No one should be, how silly, but many chemmies are."

I think the issue is people are not impressed when your top computing skills are board outline, parts placement, and autorouting. It is a bit akin to video games all day. CAD is pretty mindless stuff these days. We really get your number when you appear to brag of such service skills.

So, don't be to shy when an honest person takes a little dig at ya now and then to see if ya grunt. It is usually just to confirm a swine is nearby. With that established.....back to U being ignored.

Happy TG to you too.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

You have no more power than in your piss stream when you piss!

You are just a cyberjunkie like us all pretending to be what you can't be in public!

Speak for yourself Gaiacomm.

[halva]

Hey, Wayne, I see you forgot to take my buddy chem11 on about his high-sulfate in jet fuel business.
http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=Discussion&action=display&num=1101310441

Why didn't you turn him on to the latest research out of the IATA?
http://www.qinetiq.com/home/core_skills/future_systems_technologies/fstenergy/fuels_lubes/aviaiton_fuels_committee.html

He especially should be interested in annex D!
=====================
Also, to make sure he becomes conversant with the technical aspects of Jet fuels, here is some more homework for him.
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/aviationfuel/toc.shtm
=====================
When he gets done in, say, about ten years, have him come back and we'll be ready for debate.
ha!
Get after it, Wayne, and a whole new world will open up for you, if you are really interested in REALITY and not just the same-old-same-old HOAX business.

Raynolds, your recommendations on what I should try to find out from Chem 11 are the last I would follow. Your aim is not that I should find out what I want to know. It is that you yourself should be able to retain the subjective illusion of domination through turning participants against each other, providing them with false leads, attempting through abuse and ridicule to discourage them. Et cetera.

Because 'your buddy' Chem 11 won't admit you to his forum, the only way you can interact with him is by getting me to be the intermediary. Well, of course I am not interested in playing that role.

I do try every now and then to get discussion going again at Megasprayer, but you must have understood that it is not where the real debate is going on nowadays.

[halva]

Let's take a look at the whole phenomenon of the anti-social behaviour of Raynolds and his hangers-on.

From where does it draw its lifeblood. How is it that it can be tolerated and remain unpunished for so many years?

The answer to this is that it is official secrecy that provides Raynolds and company with their lifeblood. (What is reflected in the jibe 'you can't prove it' ? Official secrecy. Nothing more nor less.)

How did misinformation and secrecy get to become so all-pervasive?

They arose out of the necessity for combating enemies, who could presumably threaten the security of a state if they had access to certain information.

That was the climate in which the atomic-weapons laboratories were founded. The habits of secrecy originating in the presumed needs of atomic weapons work were later extended to other areas and subjects not visibly connected with 'national security'.

When secrecy is extended to meteorology, climate and the weather, the situation becomes perverse.

Apparently the effects of aerosol forcing were not properly factored into early IPCC studies. Later they began to be factored in and as a result levels of projected global warming were adjusted downwards. If deliberate mitigation programmes were being undertaken, this would mean that such programmes were, in their own terms, to some extent proving 'effective'.

In a normal situation of scientific transparency, undistorted by political pressures, this would lead to discussion of the programmes themselves and the extent to which they were achieving their objectives. That could lead on to further discussion of whether those objectives were in themselves desirable, or whether it might not be better to try some other approach.

In the given situation of secrecy and lack of transparency, the effect of the 'success' of mitigation programmes has been to STRENGTHEN THE HAND OF THOSE WHO WISH IN ANY CASE TO ARGUE THAT ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE IS A MYTH.

This is surely the last thing that proponents of the mitigation programmes really want to see happening.

It is their own failure to defend the principle of transparency in science that has led them into this impasse.

[gaiacomm]

How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........

WMM


Have you checked your Penis lately?

[gaiacomm]

Mujahideen Force US Forced Back From City Center
Nov 24, 2004
By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice and Omar Al-Faris, JUS

Fallujah Mujahideen have succeed in clearing US occupation forces from the center of the city after a fierce battle that started when fighters stormed the al-Wahdah neighborhood on Monday night.

According to Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent in Fallujah, a detachment of Mujahideen in the resistance-controlled south of the city, in conjunction with a detachment in the eastern Fallujah neighborhood of al-‘Askari, mounted a powerful attack on the al-Wahdah neighborhood. In a report posted at 12:35pm Tuesday afternoon 1:35pm local time the correspondent confirmed that the Mujahideen controlled al-Wahdah although there were still some clashes going on with US forces on the outskirts of the neighborhood.

The Mujahideen gave up control of al-Wahdah for an extended period in an effort to create numerous, simultaneous fronts to thin occupation troops in order to attack them one-by-one and to allow the Mujahideen mobility during the intial invasion phase, according to the reporters analysis.

Mujahideen also stormed the al-Jawlan neighborhood in the north of al-Fallujah, breaking into the neighborhood from the direction of al-Azraqiyah in the northwest. They were backed by other Mujahideen units that had deployed within the neighborhood after Mujahideen from outside the city broke through US positions on Saturday afternoon. JUS reported at the time that we suspected this breach of US lines would give the resistance “ideas� and it appears now that it was in fact a trail run to determine how the occupiers would respond.

In another significant gain, Mujahideen pierced the American ring around the city from the north for the first time. The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent reported that Resistance detachments totaling between 500 to 600 fighters swam across the river from the north in small groups and into the old section of the city. From there they advanced to the al-Jawlan neighborhood, to the railroad, then the as-Sakani neighborhood to arrive at the northern part of the city. They then moved supplies in, the nature of which is not known, to the Mujahideen blockaded in the city.

Meanwhile Mujahideen in the area outside al-Fallujah fired three rockets at US forces stationed in the garden areas of al-Bu ‘Irin area northwest of the city. White dust rose from the area struck by the rocket barrage and afterwards, four giant Chinook helicopters reportedly began evacuating casualties from the target area although no specific numbers were reported.

Mujahideen then made use of the US forces’ preoccupation with the rocket attack and its aftermath to break through the American blockade into the northwest of the al-Jawlan neighborhood at 9:30pm Monday night.

With these latest developments, it appears the Mujahideen are using innovative guerrilla tactics to determine where the weaknesses in the US battle plan lay while regaining some territory.(JUS)

[gaiacomm]

Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well,

With poor ole JR caught lying again and again, plus his deceitful image icons being outed, his purposes are clear. JR is up to no good. He displays the top icons of the master crooks coving up chemtrails and climate change. And they also relate to religion cover ups, which is where lots of the real money interests concentrate.

"JR, or Atlas as his followers see him, sees his biggest mission as keeping Heaven from Earth, or the big ugly secrets (kept in his labyrinth complex) of religion from the masses.

Halva, you need to factor in that Oak Ridge has used these techniques like JR and his crooks use here for decades. Oak Ridge rigged all kinds of public meetings with plants to pull the public's knowledge and essentially "shout down" those that spoke up on exposing the truth. Oak Ridge's highest risk factor was on fluoride releases and the health effects, and lots of effort went into controlling that being exposed. Fluoride health effects are big problems for Oak Ridge and many industries in general. It is a central environmental causation for AIDS. Really hot issue for population control methods.

Oak Ridge got the idea on how to control meetings from the ways the early Hitler party would control public meetings in Germany. Same methods used in Oak Ridge and same methods being pulled by JR and his little gang. Hitler was using the methods to wrestle control from the Jews that were trying to dominate Germany. Hitler used the methods to kick the Jewish domination out of German Government, and in return the Jews declaired war on Hitler in the mid-1930s.

The largest issue on chemtrails use is the problems of religion being exposed, things like Israel being torn apart. Organized religion being found to be an all out fraud on people.

Oak Ridge has chemtrails techniques put under false concepts for national security secrecy. Those that work those methods are essentially criminal in intent. I do agree that persons like JR should be highly considered for criminal prosecution and prison.

IMHO,
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[jayreynolds]

Let's take a look at the whole phenomenon of the anti-social behaviour of Raynolds and his hangers-on.

From where does it draw its lifeblood. How is it that it can be tolerated and remain unpunished for so many years?

The answer to this is that it is official secrecy that provides Raynolds and company with their lifeblood. (What is reflected in the jibe 'you can't prove it' ? Official secrecy. Nothing more nor less.)

How did misinformation and secrecy get to become so all-pervasive?['quote]

Let's examine two instances of misinformation and secrecy. Months ago Wayne Hall inferred that he had gotten support for his claim of geoengineering "chemtrails" from the Tyndall Centre.
when I wrote them, Dr. Sarah Cornell, in no uncertain terms told me they did NOT support chemmies. Ditto for Dr. Nikos Katsaros and Dr. Christos Zerefos of Greece. Each time Wayne asserted their support, when I asked, they denied it. Three cases of misinformation.

Want more misinformation? Several weeks ago, Wayne posted a letter to the Tyndall Centre, insulting Dr. Schnellenhuber there. When asked, he was forced to admit he never sent such a letter, that it was a "TRAP". Who knowws what his motives were, but the admission showed that he was engaging in PUBLIC MISINFORMATION.

Now let's look at secrecy. After having his false assertions about the above-mentioned scientists exposed, Wayne Hall stated that from now on he would conduct his supposed correspondence with scientists IN SECRET. He also shut down public viewing of his forum so that it could not be scrutinized. TALK ABOUT SECRECY?

[quote=Wayne Hall]When secrecy is extended to meteorology, climate and the weather, the situation becomes perverse.
Apparently the effects of aerosol forcing were not properly factored into early IPCC studies. Later they began to be factored in and as a result levels of projected global warming were adjusted downwards. If deliberate mitigation programmes were being undertaken, this would mean that such programmes were, in their own terms, to some extent proving 'effective'.

Well, Wayne, the telling word in your statement was IF.
It is the operative word, in logic, for an assumption, and the segueway for the circular reasoning to follow. The BBC does a fair job discussing it:

"Circular reasoning is the practice of assuming something, in order to prove the very thing that you assumed. In Logic-speak, you assume that proposition A is true, and use that premise (directly or indirectly) to prove that proposition A is true. This is one of many logical fallacies that routinely get used in heated arguments, and is actually a special case of the fallacy of false assumptions."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A688287


In a normal situation of scientific transparency, undistorted by political pressures, this would lead to discussion of the programmes themselves and the extent to which they were achieving their objectives. That could lead on to further discussion of whether those objectives were in themselves desirable, or whether it might not be better to try some other approach. In the given situation of secrecy and lack of transparency, the effect of the 'success' of mitigation programmes has been to STRENGTHEN THE HAND OF THOSE WHO WISH IN ANY CASE TO ARGUE THAT ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE IS A MYTH.
This is surely the last thing that proponents of the mitigation programmes really want to see happening. It is their own failure to defend the principle of transparency in science that has led them into this impasse.
My, my, what a web of false logic can ensue when an assumption, "If deliberate mitigation programmes were being undertaken....." can lead to!


Let's take a look at the whole phenomenon of the anti-social behaviour of Raynolds and his hangers-on. From where does it draw its lifeblood. How is it that it can be tolerated and remain unpunished for so many years? The answer to this is that it is official secrecy that provides Raynolds and company with their lifeblood. (What is reflected in the jibe 'you can't prove it' ? Official secrecy. Nothing more nor less.)

It has been been definitively shown above, that Wayne Hall engages in secrecy and misinformation. He asks. "(What is reflected in the jibe 'you can't prove it' ?"

The jibe is my response to a continual refusal to provide factual evidence that "chemtrails" exist, which challenge was ignored until the point was reached where Wayne was forced to admit that no evidence whatsoever existed. At that point I began directing Wayne towards various and sundry challenges which, if taken, could show that his earlier assumptions were false. In his own country, for example, exists world-class aerosol and ozone monitoring equipment capable of determining whether elements such as Barium or aluminum are being released, and whether, or not, the 'deep shield' claims that Hall promotes are true about ozone.

His friend, Dr. Katsaros, has a world-class chemical analysis lab capable of analyzing jet fuel, air samples, etc.

An International Ozone conference took place this summer in Greece where he could have presented his case.

Did Wayne Hall take advantage of these opportunities to factually prove his case?
Is he really interested in proving that "chemtrails" exist?

Well, the result of my challenges was that he first said, "Please be informed that of the portion of my time and energy I reserve for you, the bulk of it, from this point onward, now that the prospect seems perhaps to have become more feasible, will be devoted not to discussing anything with you but to pursuing the objective of getting you removed from this thread."

Some response from a guy who complains about public transparecy, huh?

When that became another of his colossal failures,, Wayne began spamming this board with foreign language spam and irrelevant articles, which quickly drove the 'noise level' up in order to provide cover for my further exposure of his methods. He then invited the distinguished Jim Phelps, which has backfired as he has revealed himself to be a raving lunatic racist..

Wayne, I gotta hand it to you, you are probably the biggest screw-up chemmie I have ever dealt with. Expect more, and get over it.

[jayreynolds]

Raynolds, your recommendations on what I should try to find out from Chem 11 are the last I would follow. Your aim is not that I should find out what I want to know. It is that you yourself should be able to retain the subjective illusion of domination through turning participants against each other, providing them with false leads, attempting through abuse and ridicule to discourage them. Et cetera..
Have it your way, Wayne, be an ostrich.

Anyways, here is the text, assimilate it because it is the reality ALL OF YOU CHEMMIES will eventually have to face, with credibility shot and Jay Reynolds riding your ass all the way through.:
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IATA Paper on Sulphur limits in Jet Fuel SpecificationsBackground:Jet fuel is essentially a mixture of hydrocarbons comprising of paraffins,cycloparaffins, aromatics and olefins together with trace levels of heteratoms suchas sulphur compounds. The Sulphur compounds are sulphides, disulphides,sulphonic acids, thiophenes and mercaptans. These originate from the crudefeedstock and get carried through in the Jet fuel. The proportions of thesecompounds may vary from a few parts per million to a few per cent depending onthe crude origin.During combustion, all the sulphur compounds are converted to SOx. Therequirement for a sulphur limit in the specifications include the following reasons:1. Concern about the potential turbine blade corrosion is the main reason. TheSOx from combustion in combination with atmospheric sodium can causesulphidation attack of hot-end materials.2. Concern about the polluting effects of sulphur oxides emissions in theatmosphere.3. Mercaptans are very reactive sulphur compounds that can degrade fuelsystem elastomers, and interact with trace metals. They can also cause attackon fuel system alloys. In addition, mercaptan sulphur has a veryobjectionable odour even at extremely low concentrations.It is also recognised that the presence of sulphur in fuel does affect other propertieslike thermal stability, lubricity and density.History of specification:A maximum limit on total sulphur concentration has been required from the firstJet fuel specification onwards, starting at 0.1 % and gradually relaxing to thepresent 0.3 % wt. On the other hand the mercaptan limit was reduced substantiallyto 0.001% wt max in 1961 and eventually raised to 0.003 % wt. max. to bring it inline with ASTM D1655 and this because of concerns with supplies from certainlocations around the world.
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The current limit of 0.30% wt max on total sulphur has been established for manyyears, actual sulphur levels of Jet A-1 in the U.K being typically less than 0.10%.The desirability of reducing the total sulphur content limit to 0.20% wt max hasbeen voiced by the European Commission, apparently motivated by environmentalconcerns about SOx emissions into the atmosphere.Technical justification:The presence of sulphur compounds in Jet fuels is known to affect three of its keyproperties:Corrosive ActivityFuel is known to attack system metals in particular copper and copper-containingmaterials. In aircraft fuel systems bronze pump bearings are particularly exposed tocorrosive attack. Free sulphur causes corrosion of fuel pump rotors made frombronze VB-24, but has no effect on cadmium and zinc coatings and Mercaptans arespecially corrosion-aggressive in relation to bronze, copper, iridium and cadmium.Both elemental sulphur and hydrogen sulphide are corrosive to copper at levels ofaround 1 ppm.The rate of corrosion increases with increase in content of sulphur compounds inthe fuel. It slows down and stabilises as these compounds are expended and areunable to support corrosion. The corrosion activity of mercaptans depends on theirstructure. The most corrosive are aliphatic mercaptans and the least active arearomatic mercaptans.As would be expected temperature enhances the corrosive activity. According to theRussian State Scientific Research Institute of Civil Aviation, low-active sulphurcompounds contained in fuels, such as sulfides, disulfides, thiophenes andthiophenes are not corrosive to jet engines fuel systems at temperatures below120º C. Sulphides cause noticeable corrosion of bronze types VB-24 at 150 º C.Disulphides and thiophenes become corrosive at 200 º C.It is known that the concentration of SO2 in the combustion products of fueldepends on the content of sulphur in the fuel. The higher the sulphur content in jetfuel the more SO2 will be present in the combustion products. At 800º C, thecorrosion resistance of chromium-nickel steels used for the manufacture of gasturbine blades drops if SO2 is present in combustion products.Thermal StabilityThere is an established relationship between the presence of sulphur compoundsand thermal stability. Fuel thermal stability is a measure of the tendency of the fuelto form insoluble solid deposits within the engine fuel system components. It is one
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of the most critical of the fuel properties and potentially can affect both enginemaintenance and operability.At high temperatures the thermal stability of fuels break down. The oxidation ofheteratoms present in fuels produce insoluble materials that could plug fuel nozzles,block filters, accumulate as surface deposits in heat exchangers and cause sticking offuel controls and sliding surfaces.It is established that trace levels of these heteratomic species are critical participantsin the high temperature oxidation reactions. Heteratoms containing sulphur and/ornitrogen are known to be 20 times more reactive than the base fuel. Oxidationtransforms these molecules into higher molecular weight materials, whichcontribute to the problems mentioned above.Refinery treatments that reduce the concentration of these species will tend toimprove thermal stability. The two most commonly used refinery processes arehydrotreatment and Merox sweetening. In the Merox process, mercaptans areeliminated by oxidation to disulphides. Although the total sulphur level of the fuelremains unchanged, the clay treatment and caustic washing steps involved in theprocess can remove some of the components that are detrimental to thermalstability, thereby improving it.With Hydrotreatment, the fuel is reacted with hydrogen under pressure over acatalyst, which removes many potentially unstable compounds. Hydracracking, amore severe form of hydrotreatment can produce a major improvement in stability.Sulphur is removed from compounds such as mercaptans, disulphides and sulphidesby conversion to H2S. Hydrotreatment is a more costly treatment than Merox, butgives better results in terms of improved thermal stability. But, it must beremembered that both processes are considerably influenced by crude quality andthe severity of the process itself.Thermal stability problems with aircraft fuels are by and large a rare occurrence inthe industry. Whilst this would seem to indicate that the current test procedure andspecification limits are adequate, it is equally true that the vast majority of aviationfuels produced, as evidenced by various industry surveys conducted, exceed by aconsiderable margin the minimum thermal stability requirements. In fact, it isbelieved that the latter may be the very reason why thermal stability has not been areal issue with aircraft fuels.Deterioration of fuel system components is generally seen after thousands ofoperating hours even though no malfunction is encountered. The industry lacks thenecessary experience base on the consequence of using marginal thermal stabilityfuels. This would have confirmed or not the adequacy of the current specificationlimits and test procedure. Nor does the industry know how well current aircraft fuelsystems would tolerate a steady diet of such fuel. Furthermore, it is not clear
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whether the current situation of producing better than specification fuels wouldcontinue in the future. In fact, it is argued that crude oil quality would becomeincreasingly an issue as crude oil supplies become depleted.The plotting below shows an interesting relationship between kerosene sulphur andcrude sulphur where:Kero S = 0.31*Crude SIt is drawn from approximately 300 data points of Chevron Texaco’s assays oncrudes worldwide, but demonstrates a typical trend that will pose some seriouschallenges to the industry.Kero Sulfur vs. CrudeSulfur00.511.522.533.50.001.002.003.004.005.0 06.007.00Crude Sulfur, mass %KeroSulfur,mass %Figure 1: Kero Sulphur and Crude Sulphur Relationship – Source ChevronTexacoFrom an engine perspective, it is believed that current thermal stability limits mayrepresent a performance limit in future generation designs. Trends in higher enginethrust ratings, and simultaneous reductions in fuel consumption are forcing fuelsystem temperatures to increase further. These will inevitably push the use of thefuel’s heat sink capacity to its limit. Another important factor is the ever increasingexpected operational lifetime of the engine components and the need for minimummaintenance costs. In some engine types, the trend towards increasing fuel systemtemperatures has already prompted a redesign of the fuel system due to potential
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fuel thermal stability problems. Beyond a certain temperature, under normaloperating conditions, unacceptable deterioration in desired component life willoccur due to deposition of solid material in critical areas. There is mountingevidence that this temperature limit is being approached with current engines.Another unknown is the strategies refiners would eventually adopt in seeking tomeet the environmental regulations requirements demanding ultra low sulphur inDiesel and Gasoline. The requirement for reduced sulphur could result in increasedhydrotreating of all refinery streams used in Jet fuel production and a consequentimprovement in Jet fuel properties, in particular thermal stability. On the otherhand, it could well be that competing demand for hydrotreating capability andlimited supply of hydrogen result in distillates other than motor fuels movingtowards lower quality including a reduction in thermal stability.LubricityIt has been established that the presence of trace polar compounds gives fuel itslubricity property. These compounds are naturally present or may be added. Theactive lubricity agents in Jet fuel are fully saturated heterocyclic compounds of thethiahydrindane thiadecalin type and polynuclear aromatics. Refinery processeswhich uses solvent extraction, absorptive percolation, clay treatment or catalytichydrogenation will remove polar compounds and as a result affect the lubricity ofthe fuels. Such processes and their degree of severity will give rise to differences inlubricity of fuels.Operating problems associated with Jet fuel lubricity have been sporadic and havebeen overcome by either adding corrosion inhibitor/lubricity additive to the fuel, ormodifying the metallurgy of pumps. A major incident took place in New Zealand inthe early 1990s when aircraft were subject to a constant diet of 100%hydroprocessed fuel from one refinery. This caused some fuel-wetted enginecomponents to be poorly lubricated and resulted in numerous premature removalsof these components, several engine shutdowns and failures. This incident hasprompted the introduction of a requirement for lubricity within the specifications.The requirement, applicable at the point of manufacture, is designed at removingthe hardest fuels from the market and states that; “ for fuels containing greater than95% hydroprocessed material where at least 20% of this is severely hydroprocessed,BOCLE (Ball on Cylinder Lubricity Evaluator) wear scar diameter shall be 0.85mm maximum.”The requirement is consistent with SAE Aerospace Recommended Practice 1797, ispart of Defence Standard 91-91 issued in November 1999 and came into effect on 1stDecember 2000.
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fuel thermal stability problems. Beyond a certain temperature, under normaloperating conditions, unacceptable deterioration in desired component life willoccur due to deposition of solid material in critical areas. There is mountingevidence that this temperature limit is being approached with current engines.Another unknown is the strategies refiners would eventually adopt in seeking tomeet the environmental regulations requirements demanding ultra low sulphur inDiesel and Gasoline. The requirement for reduced sulphur could result in increasedhydrotreating of all refinery streams used in Jet fuel production and a consequentimprovement in Jet fuel properties, in particular thermal stability. On the otherhand, it could well be that competing demand for hydrotreating capability andlimited supply of hydrogen result in distillates other than motor fuels movingtowards lower quality including a reduction in thermal stability.LubricityIt has been established that the presence of trace polar compounds gives fuel itslubricity property. These compounds are naturally present or may be added. Theactive lubricity agents in Jet fuel are fully saturated heterocyclic compounds of thethiahydrindane thiadecalin type and polynuclear aromatics. Refinery processeswhich uses solvent extraction, absorptive percolation, clay treatment or catalytichydrogenation will remove polar compounds and as a result affect the lubricity ofthe fuels. Such processes and their degree of severity will give rise to differences inlubricity of fuels.Operating problems associated with Jet fuel lubricity have been sporadic and havebeen overcome by either adding corrosion inhibitor/lubricity additive to the fuel, ormodifying the metallurgy of pumps. A major incident took place in New Zealand inthe early 1990s when aircraft were subject to a constant diet of 100%hydroprocessed fuel from one refinery. This caused some fuel-wetted enginecomponents to be poorly lubricated and resulted in numerous premature removalsof these components, several engine shutdowns and failures. This incident hasprompted the introduction of a requirement for lubricity within the specifications.The requirement, applicable at the point of manufacture, is designed at removingthe hardest fuels from the market and states that; “ for fuels containing greater than95% hydroprocessed material where at least 20% of this is severely hydroprocessed,BOCLE (Ball on Cylinder Lubricity Evaluator) wear scar diameter shall be 0.85mm maximum.”The requirement is consistent with SAE Aerospace Recommended Practice 1797, ispart of Defence Standard 91-91 issued in November 1999 and came into effect on 1stDecember 2000.
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Attempts to relate lubricity to sulphur content have not been successful, althoughdirectionally fuels with lower sulphur contents exhibited higher wear scars on theBOCLE test. As shown in figure 1 below, the insufficient correlation so farestablished does not make sulphur content as yet a lubricity predictive tool.Sulphur vs. Lubricity (Wear Scar Diameter)Figure 2: Sulphur and Lubricity Relationship - Source: Boeing/GE/Goodrich/AirForce/ChevronTexacoOther technical issues:Beyond the considerations discussed above, it could be anticipated that the refineryprocesses for reducing sulphur result in changes in fuel composition andcharacteristics like aromatics and density. The seal swell effect on elastomericmaterials used extensively throughout fuel systems, such as o-rings, gaskets anddiaphragms may be impaired by a lowering of aromatics level, thereby causingleakage problems to develop in aircraft fuel systems.0.540.580.620.660.70.740500100015002000250 03000Sulfur Content (PPM)Wear Scar (mm)Jet AJet A-1JP-8
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Equally, the increased use of hydrotreatment may result in a lowering of fueldensity thereby releasing less energy during combustion, which in turn wouldimpair long-range flights.IATA initiated some discussions on the technical justification for sulphur in Jet fueland gathered that no level of sulphur is required for operating aircraft. Chris Lewisof Rolls-Royce sums up the engine manufacturer position in saying, “ Zero sulphuris best if it can be achieved without adverse effects. The reality is that aromatics andlubricity will be affected. …There may also be subtle changes in composition.Industry seems to say that there is very little impact down to 0.1% wt (1000 ppm)and below that things really start to get hit.”Environment:Gaseous aircraft engine emissions are products of combustion of aviation fuel withair. Aviation fuel is approximately 99.7% hydrocarbons, and up to 0.3% sulphur.The following products of combustion are considered pollutants: carbon dioxide(CO2), water vapour (H2O), carbon monoxide (CO), unburnt hydrocarbons (UHC),oxides of Nitrogen (NOx), and oxides of sulphur (SOx). Sulphuric acid from thesulphur content in fuel would be classified as particulate emission of the volatiletype. Such emissions from the aircraft engines are deposited directly into the upperatmosphere and perturb the latter by changing the background levels of trace gasesand particles, and forming contrails. The environmental impacts are in terms ofclimate change, solar ultraviolet radiation change and health concern.According to a Pratt & Whitney paper on “Particulate Emissions from Aircraft”,preliminary data analysis of the effect of sulphur on particulate formation suggeststhat fuel sulphur content plays an important role in volatile formation that in turnact as nuclei for cloud formation. If this were true then lowering sulphur content inaviation fuels would be highly desirable from the perspective of reducing volatileformation.In a similar vein, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)concluded in its special report on “Aviation and the Global Atmosphere” that thereis little opportunity for reducing emissions from current aircraft by fuelmodification other than steps taken to reduce sulphur. The IPCC contends that theformation of sulphate particles from aircraft emissions, which depends on engineand plume characteristics, is reduced as fuel sulphur content decreases.But, reducing sulphur in aviation fuel carries a trade-off in so far as the amount ofCO2 that would be released in the atmosphere from producing the hydrogennecessary for the hydroprocessing treatment in desulphurising Jet. Based on someassumptions, the IPCC argues that mandating zero-sulphur fuel would in factincrease the amount of CO2 attributable to aircraft by 0.1%.
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Although environmental regulation has yet to target Aviation fuel in terms ofmandated reduction of sulphur limits in the specifications, many fear that theenvironmental directives for gasoline and diesel requiring ultra-low sulphur limitsin the latter products will have a cascading effect on sulphur concentrations in jetfuel. There will be competing demands for low sulphur fuel. Whilst the industryseeks to comply with the diesel and gasoline limits in priority, it is feared that the Jetstream will carry more sulphur than traditionally thereby pushing the sulphurcontent closer to the specifications limit.Many argue that the days for an environmental directive on sulphur in Jet are notfar off. This may come about even sooner than later, although more on account ofperception than the real impact of sulphur-related emissions in the atmosphere. Jetfuel with its current 3000 ppm limit in the specification is 20 times more the limitallowable for gasoline in Europe and appears to be a ‘dirty fuel’ in comparison,especially that the emissions are released directly into the upper troposphere andlower stratosphere where they have an impact on atmospheric composition. Theincreasingly stringent environmental legislation and the programmes/schedules inplace with respect to gasoline and diesel will put enormous pressure on aviation fuelfor the latter to get ‘cleaner’.Safety Issue:Some argue that there could be a safety issue associated with the presence ofsulphur in fuels.The investigations into TWA Boeing 747 Flight 800 crash severalyears ago which determined that fuel vapours in the centre wing tank of the Boeing747 airplane exploded early in the accident sequence and the more recent explosionin Thailand of a B737 centre fuel tank, while at the gate have prompted muchresearch work in an effort to determine the possible ignition causes.The Research and Development Division of the US Federal Aviation Administration(FAA) reported “there exists evidence from service that the environmentalmotivation to lower the sulphur content in fuel may have a negative impact on flightsafety. The silver sulphur deposit research performed by the Catastrophic FailurePrevention Program has documented that low-sulphur fuel gums are a necessarypart of building deposits that can act as a conductive path between fuel quantityindication system wires. These deposits can act as shunts that, if exposed to highpower, could result in an ignition source. ” Pump failure with the result that contactbetween the rotor and the stator could generate sparks or heat resulting in ignitionof the fuel tank ullage is also being investigated.Surveys:Over the years, various aviation fuel property surveys tracking sulphur content,amongst other things, have been conducted around the world. In the followingsection we shall review some of the more significant ones.
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In 1990 the average value in a Boeing survey was 0.038%. In 1997, Rickard andFulker reported the average sulphur concentration as 0.047%. In 1996 the NIPERsurvey had reported a slightly higher average at 0.062. Thus, average sulphurcontent around the world is probably in the range of 0.04–0.06%. The US Militaryhas over the period of 1991-2001 reported 94% of their JP-8 (the military equivalentof Jet A-1) having sulphur content in the range 0-0.15 % by wt.JP-8 TrendsJP-8 Total Sulfur89.510.10.495.44.5093.80.13.403093.70.4696.3 975.901020304050607080901000-0.150.15-0.30.3+Total Su lfur%TotalFuelPurchased200120001999199819971991-1996Figure3: Sulphur trends in Military FuelsIn Russia, from 2000-2003 the refineries in the European part of Russia reportedsulphur content between 0.07-0.2% and during that same period, refineries inSiberia and Far East reported between 0.03 and 0.09 % - much less than the 0.2%by wt. required in the specifications.The figures below show the distribution of sulphur content for jet fuel in the UK.
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Figure 4: 1996 UK survey of sulfur content in jet fuel
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UK MOD Sulphur DataTotal Sulfur in AVTUR Supplied in UK2.9098.91.104.301.803.309795.7 98.3 96.801020304050607080901000-0.150.15-0.30.3+Total Sulfur% of Batches20001999199819971996Figure 5: 1996- 2000 Total Sulphur in Aviation Turbine fuel supplied in the U.KFigure 6 shows the historical trends for the U.S. and UK surveys. According toRickard and Fulker the average sulfur level has remained relatively constant in theUK since 1988. However, in the US, the NIPER survey seems to indicate thataverage sulfur content has been increasing..
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Figure 6: Historical trends of Sulphur content in US and UK Jet fuelsThe chart below indicates that for all aviation fuel types considered, over 96% ofsamples had sulphur content below 2000-ppm and over 90% of samples had sulphurcontent below 1000-ppm..

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Sulphur Content of Delivered Jet FuelSpecification Limit0%10%20%30%40%50%60%70%80%90%100%050010001500 200025003000Sulfur Content (PPM)All Sam plesJet AJet A-1JP-5 / JP-8* Average = 460-ppmSamples That Would MeetSpecification(%)Figure 7: Sulphur content of delivered fuel - Source: Boeing/GE/Goodrich/AirForce/ChevronTexacoIATA Survey:In march 2004; IATA launched a mini-survey targeting some refineries around theworld to gauge their preparedness in the eventuality of a tightening of the sulphurlimit in the Jet specifications. Limited responses gathered so far from SouthAmerica, China and Canada indicate that:1) 67 % of the respondents manufacture Jet with sulphur content between0.1 –0.2 % by wt. and 33% have sulphur contents less than 0.1% wt.2) 100% of the respondents indicated that there would be no impact onrefinery production whatsoever for a tightening of the specifications from0.3 through 0.25% to 0.2 %3) 67% responded that production would be impaired by 10 % should thesulphur limit go down to 0.1% wt. 33% indicated that production wouldbe impaired by 25-50%4) 67 % of the respondents indicated that a tightening of the specificationswould motivate refineries to shift production to other products and 33%would invest in more costly processing
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5) Most respondents agreed that environmental regulation was driving thespecification change and that it was important for them to be perceived tobe ‘green’ by the public.Supply Issue:As mentioned above, surveys show that the sulphur content of most fuels is wellbelow specified limits. All of the surveys show that about 90% of fuels have sulphurcontent less than 0.1%.A change in the maximum total sulphur limit from 0.30% to 0.20% wt and even allthe way down to 0.1% is not expected to have a significant impact on cost andavailability due to the low sulphur levels already being marketed. But, the tightenedspecification would curtail supply at specific refineries. Although there is no clearpicture of future trends of sulphur content as yet in the literature, it can be safelyassumed that a 4-6 % of fuel production may be loss due to this change.Production of diesel fuels to meet European legislation for lower sulphur content iscausing an increased demand for the desulphurization processes in refineries,specifically for hydrotreatment. Short term, this could result in competition forhydrotreatment plant currently used for Jet fuel, until new hydrotreater capacity isbuilt. However, the impact on overall levels of total sulphur content of Jet fuel is notexpected to be significant. Long term, refineries will equip themselves withdesulphurization capacity for all fuels.The magnitude of the specification change envisaged here would not requireincreased investment and operating costs in refineries and the distribution system.In general, it will be up to each individual company to make its own businessdecisions in response to the tightening of product specifications. This may give riseto short-lived supply imbalances, but more importantly refinery flexibility will bereduced in the long-term thereby increasing the risk of occasional supplydisruptions.
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Conclusion:There is no technical justification for keeping sulphur at its current 3000-ppm limitin the specifications. However, there is a lower limit, which the industry believes tobe around 1000 ppm and below which properties like lubricity and aromatics getaffected. Most surveys including the IATA one support this.Ultra-low sulphur Jet from severe hydroprocessing would require either blendingwith straight-run Jet or adding corrosion inhibitor/lubricity additive to the fuel, oreven modifying the metallurgy of pumps. On the other hand reducing sulphurcontent in Jet would improve its thermal stability and make it less corrosive, both ofwhich are highly desirable. Thermal stability is particularly important as currentthermal stability limits may represent a performance limit in future generationengine designs.From the environmental angle, although the main focus has so far been on CO2 andNOx, which are believed to be the main pollutants, there is increasing awarenessand concern on the effect of sulphur on particulate formation. It is believed that fuelsulphur content plays an important role in volatile formation that in turn act asnuclei for cloud formation. If proven, this would raise the profile of sulphur as apollutant in aviation fuel and its removal/curtailment would become not only highlydesirable, but a matter of urgency.Whilst more research is being done in this area, the more immediate concern is therisk that for many refineries with limited hydro-treating capability, the mosteconomical approach may be to shift blending stocks with higher sulphur content toJet fuel, saving streams with lower sulphur for diesel and gasoline fuels. This isprecisely what the industry and the operators do not want to happen. There couldbe an escalation pushing the sulphur content closer to the specification limits, wherethe industry has no experience of possible consequences using such high sulphurcontent fuels. Therefore, a voluntary reduction of the limit would appear to be aprudent approach to contain this.Furthermore, as is often the case with environmental issues, perception may bemore important than reality. The industry needs to be seen to be acting responsiblyvis Ã* vis the environment. The companies that responded to the IATA surveyindicated that they were mindful about the public perception in this regard.The tightening of the specification with respect to sulphur should be regarded as aprocess already initiated and well under way with Diesel and Gasoline. This trendcannot be stopped nor reversed. It is only a matter of time for legislation worldwideto target Jet fuel and demand ultra-low sulphur for this product too. The debateshould, therefore, not be whether to reduce sulphur content in Jet specifications ornot. Rather, it should be about the quantum and an appropriately sequenced planfor implementing the changes to mitigate the potential for major disruptions in
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supply and resulting significant price variations. A proactive stance on this issue is,therefore, an appropriate response in the current environment.The evolution of specifications over the years, and this across all other properties,seems to suggest that this is best done incrementally, not only because the refiningindustry needs time to adjust to the new limit to ensure minimal disruption insupply, but also because the operators need to build the experience base to workwith the new fuel. Decreasing the sulphur limit in units of 500 ppm should beconsidered at a time as against 1000 or more.IATA Recommendations:1. IATA urges the industry to adopt a proactive stance as regards thetightening of specifications with respect to sulphur content.2. IATA proposes an immediate 500 ppm reduction from the current 3000 ppmlimit to bring Jet A and Jet A-1 in line with Russian TS-1 at 0.25 % wt.3. Beyond that limit, an appropriately sequenced plan taking into considerationinvestment requirements has to be developed and agreed upon by allstakeholders to ensure a smooth implementation of the specification changes.4. In parallel a special survey of worldwide refinery plans need to be conductedto better understand how sulphur content will evolve in the coming years..

[jayreynolds]

NOTICE TO ALL CHEMMIES

The foregoing text is the most important development this year regarding ordinary contrails, which hoax promoters label "chemtrails". If chemmies wish to come into the realm of reality they will intensely study it and understand it's science, it's details, and it's implications. That is why I have posted the document here in full text form, though the PDF file includes graphs and charts necessary to complete understanding.

http://www.qinetiq.com/home/core_skills/future_systems_technologies/fstenergy/fuels_lubes/aviaiton_fuels_committee.Par.0012.File.pdf

There is a possibility that ordinary contrail size and persistence could be related to jet fuel sulfur content. This has not been proven and remains uncertain. One thing is certain, what have been mis-labeled "chemtrails" are definitely ordinary contrails, and if you wish to come into reality, you will accept that fact and deal with it.

Current moves are taking place to lower the jet fuel sulfur content, which remains, on average, below the maximum specification already. The preceding text describes the state of the situation as of last April.

Chemmies have a choice.

1- Continue with the hoax, which has absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever having a resolution for it is based on false premises, promoted by charlatans, and carried on by idiots, the intentionally ignorant, and liars.

2- Disavow and debunk the hoax, then, after much contrition and weeding out of the false beliefs within your cult, attempt to engage in genuine activism regarding the avenue of determining whether, or not, contrail extent and persistence is related to jet fuel sulfur content. If found to be true, steps can be taken to minimize contrail extent and persistence by lowering the sulfur. Be aware that many other factors determine contrail formation and persistence, which information is freely available in the literature, and I must emphasize that, so long as planes use hydrocarbon fuels, [u]SOME[/] contrails will continue.

Finally, I vow to publicly expose to public scrutiny any and all persons and/or organizations who
I judge to be continuing the hoax in any form, or who might attempt to interject provably false claims into the jet fuel sulfur content debate. You can take THAT to the bank, for I keep my word and will follow you to the ends of the earth and beyond to do so. On my side will be legions of others who will likewise judge your actions for what they really are, and have resources to do so far in excess of my own.

So, the choice is yours, let reality reign and let's get down to business.

[gaiacomm]

Four British Mercenaries Killed, 15 More Wounded In Green Zone Attack
Nov 26, 2004
JUS News Desk

As JUS reported yesterday, Iraqi resistance groups launched several rockets attacks near the green zone yesterday. Now, a British "security" firm has confirmed that four of its workers were killed and 15 injured in an attack in Baghdad's Green Zone. The workers are believed to have been four ex-Gurkhas.

Tim O'Brien, spokesman for the London-based Global Risk Strategies, said the attack had been launched on Thursday but did not elaborate.

"There was an incident yesterday. We lost four people and had 12 to 15 who were injured," he said.

"We can't confirm what this incident actually was until we go through internal investigations."

Several explosions were heard on Thursday and black smoke was seen rising from the Zone, which houses the US and Iraqi leadership.

Mr O'Brien declined to give out identities of those injured, saying their next of kin needed to be notified.

Global Risk Strategies is a mercenary firm that priveds ex-military personnel to support the American agenda, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Yaak]

Jimmy said:

I have always found that the qualities to design PC boards requires an enriched degree in mental apathy.

Just cause you work on the bottom rung of many companies doesn't mean a lot. Just call ya grunt. OK with U?and:

I think the issue is people are not impressed when your top computing skills are board outline, parts placement, and autorouting. It is a bit akin to video games all day. CAD is pretty mindless stuff these days. We really get your number when you appear to brag of such service skills.You were beginning to reveal yourself, Jimbo;

.....but then, in rolled the fog and away went reality. What a damn shame. (Is it heroin?)


With poor ole JR caught lying again and again, plus his deceitful image icons being outed, his purposes are clear. JR is up to no good. He displays the top icons of the master crooks coving up chemtrails and climate change. And they also relate to religion cover ups, which is where lots of the real money interests concentrate.

"JR, or Atlas as his followers see him, sees his biggest mission as keeping Heaven from Earth, or the big ugly secrets (kept in his labyrinth complex) of religion from the masses.

[whitemajikman]

Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!



You are delusional If you think your attempts at slandering me will work ,or even questioning my manhood . Thats the Problem with Cyber drug Junkies as yourself ,you seem to think that you are intelligent enough to be a threat ,or have enough Intellectual shutzbah to even know who and what you are dealing with.

Your Ignorance Precedes you............

And We are always 5 steps ahead ......................

So get used to it.........

You have no other choice....................

WMM

[halva]

Who is spamming now?

By the way, Raynolds, since the change of government in Greece, Dr. Katsaros has occupied another, and more publicly visible, position, though I am not proposing to tell you what it is.

[halva]

Arctic People Seek Tropical Team on Global Warming

Thu Nov 25, 8:55 AM ET Science - Reuters

By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent

REYKJAVIK (Reuters) - Arctic peoples aim to team up with tropical islanders in a campaign against global warming, arguing that polar bears and palm-fringed beaches stand to suffer most.

The proposed alliance between some of the hottest and coldest parts of the globe would lobby industrial nations like the United States, which had refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on global warming, to cut emissions of heat-trapping gases.

"We are two of the world's most vulnerable areas," Sheila Watt-Cloutier, chair of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference (news - web sites) (ICC), said of the low-lying islands -- at risk from rising sea levels -- and the Arctic -- where the ice is melting.

"Linking up makes a lot of sense," Watt-Cloutier, whose organization says it represents 155,000 people in Canada, Greenland, Alaska and Russia, told Reuters on Thursday.

The Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet because of a build-up of gases from fossil fuels burned in cars, factories and power plants, according to a report by 250 scientists from 8 countries this month.

That could make the North Pole ice-free in summer by 2100, driving species like polar bears toward extinction and undermining indigenous hunting cultures, the report says.

In turn, a global thaw could push up sea levels by almost a meter (3 ft) by 2100, according to U.N. projections, threatening to sink low-lying Pacific island states like Tuvalu or the Marshall Islands or the Maldives in the Indian Ocean.

With their homes under threat, many indigenous peoples in the Arctic and islanders say the United States, the world's biggest polluter, bears much of the blame for global warming after Washington rejected caps on emissions under the 128-nation Kyoto protocol.

COMMON CAUSE

Watt-Cloutier said that she had talks with officials from Samoa and Vanuatu in the Pacific and Jamaica in the Caribbean and planned to widen contacts with other island states at a U.N. meeting in Buenos Aires next month.

"In terms of a communications strategy we can start working together, mobilizing ourselves at various U.N. forums or global negotiations sessions to turn up as a team," she said.

The Inuit plan to file a petition to a commission of the Organization of American States, hoping that it will brand global warming a human rights abuse by the United States.

And some Pacific island states have separately spoken of filing lawsuits against Washington for global warming.

Watt-Cloutier said the cooperation began at a U.N. meeting in Milan last year when Samoa agreed to mention the Arctic in a speech about vulnerable areas. "We try to find new ways to put ourselves on the map so that's how it started," she said.

[whitemajikman]

Wayne I passed on Jays Sulphur Links to Chem11 he should have plenty of oppertunity to review them...........

Its all over his Board and hard to miss...........


Chow.......... :D

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!





You are delusional If you think your attempts at slandering me will work ,or even questioning my manhood . Thats the Problem with Cyber drug Junkies as yourself ,you seem to think that you are intelligent enough to be a threat ,or have enough Intellectual shutzbah to even know who and what you are dealing with.

Your Ignorance Precedes you............

And We are always 5 steps ahead ......................

So get used to it.........

You have no other choice....................

WMM




whitemajikman,
Its ok to be GAY! I will accept that in you.

If you re-review your ranting posts they are a key indication that you are as much a cyberjunkie as we all are.....make sure you pay your ISP bill each month so you can continue your fixation on this thread and the Gay porn that you frequent when the lights are out and no one is watching you!
whitemajikman we know that you like little jewish boys!

[whitemajikman]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!





You are delusional If you think your attempts at slandering me will work ,or even questioning my manhood . Thats the Problem with Cyber drug Junkies as yourself ,you seem to think that you are intelligent enough to be a threat ,or have enough Intellectual shutzbah to even know who and what you are dealing with.

Your Ignorance Precedes you............

And We are always 5 steps ahead ......................

So get used to it.........

You have no other choice....................

WMM




whitemajikman,
Its ok to be GAY! I will accept that in you.

If you re-review your ranting posts they are a key indication that you are as much a cyberjunkie as we all are.....make sure you pay your ISP bill each month so you can continue your fixation on this thread and the Gay porn that you frequent when the lights are out and no one is watching you!
whitemajikman we know that you like little jewish boys!


You have no Idea how off base you really are.......

And I don't pay my I.S.P bill the Government does......... :D

As for me being Gay,I shall add that to the rest of Your LIES ............

which have been logged.

Thanks for playing........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!





You are delusional If you think your attempts at slandering me will work ,or even questioning my manhood . Thats the Problem with Cyber drug Junkies as yourself ,you seem to think that you are intelligent enough to be a threat ,or have enough Intellectual shutzbah to even know who and what you are dealing with.

Your Ignorance Precedes you............

And We are always 5 steps ahead ......................

So get used to it.........

You have no other choice....................

WMM




whitemajikman,
Its ok to be GAY! I will accept that in you.

If you re-review your ranting posts they are a key indication that you are as much a cyberjunkie as we all are.....make sure you pay your ISP bill each month so you can continue your fixation on this thread and the Gay porn that you frequent when the lights are out and no one is watching you!
whitemajikman we know that you like little jewish boys!




You have no Idea how off base you really are.......

And I don't pay my I.S.P bill the Government does.........

As for me being Gay,I shall add that to the rest of Your LIES ............

which have been logged.

Thanks for playing........

WMM


The government pays your ISP....you are funny! Being Gay is fine by me. Being Gay is not just for men...it also is for women as you could be yourself...or even both!!!

As for your idle chatter and threats without substance you have more power when you piss than you will ever have here on the internet.

You are are an IP address only attached to someone who did not understand the Wizard of OZ when you were a child!......You are not in Kansas anymore!

[whitemajikman]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Originally Posted by whitemajikman
How interesting...............

GaiaCON Is a CyberJunkie That Likes to Pretend because his life SUCKS.............

But Gaia did you google that Image.......Like I asked Jim to do.............?

They have an E-mail Address ,why don't you E-mail them and check out the facts before you make the mistake of Having people think that you are indeed a Junkie and not just limited to Cyberspace you Crack head............

YOU,WAYNE AND JIM are quite the Trio............

All Con Artists and all starting to believe YOUR OWN BULLSHIT..........

You All got one thing in common.........

DECEPTION.

and you can't forget FRAUD.................

Just Like JUDAH and his Fraudulent Press releases.........




Gee, I thought I was Lance...oh well I guess you better check with JR and company to get your facts in order.

Are you Gay? Just wondered because you prey on men so much. Whitemajikman
would you like a picture of a naked man to look at...or you can just google one!

It seems that you point fingers at so many others but you are still afraid to come out of the dark for fear of being found out that you are a small man with a small world in his hands!





You are delusional If you think your attempts at slandering me will work ,or even questioning my manhood . Thats the Problem with Cyber drug Junkies as yourself ,you seem to think that you are intelligent enough to be a threat ,or have enough Intellectual shutzbah to even know who and what you are dealing with.

Your Ignorance Precedes you............

And We are always 5 steps ahead ......................

So get used to it.........

You have no other choice....................

WMM




whitemajikman,
Its ok to be GAY! I will accept that in you.

If you re-review your ranting posts they are a key indication that you are as much a cyberjunkie as we all are.....make sure you pay your ISP bill each month so you can continue your fixation on this thread and the Gay porn that you frequent when the lights are out and no one is watching you!
whitemajikman we know that you like little jewish boys!




You have no Idea how off base you really are.......

And I don't pay my I.S.P bill the Government does.........

As for me being Gay,I shall add that to the rest of Your LIES ............

which have been logged.

Thanks for playing........

WMM


The government pays your ISP....you are funny! Being Gay is fine by me. Being Gay is not just for men...it also is for women as you could be yourself...or even both!!!

As for your idle chatter and threats without substance you have more power when you piss than you will ever have here on the internet.

You are are an IP address only attached to someone who did not understand the Wizard of OZ when you were a child!......You are not in Kansas anymore!


As for your idle chatter and threats without substance you have more power when you piss than you will ever have here on the internet.



Keep saying it over and over again GaiaCON...................

The More You Say it............The more your Sub-conscience mind might buy it...........

:shock:

WMM

[gaiacomm]

As for your idle chatter and threats without substance you have more power when you piss than you will ever have here on the internet.



Keep saying it over and over again GaiaCON...................

The More You Say it............The more your Sub-conscience mind might buy it...........

:shock:

WMM


Blah.....Blah....Blah!!!!

[gaiacomm]

Mujahideen Engaged With Marines In Four Areas Of Fallujah; Resistance Holds
Nov 25, 2004
By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice And Omar Al-Faris, JUS

Mujahideen and US Marines were engaged in fighting in four separate areas yesterday afternoon as the battle for Fallujah continues, according to a report filed at 3:50pm by Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent from inside the city.

The first was in the southern industrial zone and the neighborhoods of ash-Shuhada’ and al-Jubayl, with the second area of engagement to the east in the al-‘Askari neighborhood. Fighting also raged in the northwest in the al-Jawlan neighborhood and more fighting erupted in the center of the city in the al-Wahdah neighborhood, which the Mujahideen seized back from US invaders on Tuesday.

The Mujahideen appear to be fighting in al-‘Askari, in al-Jawlan and in the center in al-Wahdah in an attempt to reduce US pressure on the south of Fallujah, which the Americans have not yet been able to seriously penetrate since they began their offensive several weeks ago. It also appears that the Mujahideen are trying to split up the attacking US forces so that they can engage them in smaller numbers. The centre of the city has become a dangerous zone for Americans forces now that the Mujahideen are the dominate force in al-Wahdah again.

Fighting Resumes In Al-Jaghifi; Mujahideen Fall Back To “Dead Zone�

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent reported that, for the first time in 10 days, sounds of fighting in the al-Jaghifi neighborhood was heard but the reporter was unable to provide detailed information on the nature of the combat there.

The Mujahideen have fallen back from the head of the industrial zone to the east, which is militarily considered a “dead zone� after fighters were exposed to simultaneous attack by occupation forces from three directions; east, north and south. As the result, movement from neighboring areas became difficult so the logical solution was for the Mujahideen to fall back from the small area to more defensible positions. Fighters then advanced once again, forcing the US forces retreated however they then left the area. It appears, that the Mujahideen had no desire to try to hold the small area which would no doubt have invited American attacks.

Overall, the situation in the city remains as it has been for some days – with the Mujahideen controlling about 60 percent of the city, and the US forces present in the rest. The American presence in the areas they hold is still unstable and not in any way consolidated, with Mujahideen attacking their positions frequently.

US Continues To Prevent As-Saqlawiyah Residents From Collecting Bodies

For the third straight day yesterday, US forces refused to let the people of as-Saqlawiyah enter the nearby city of Fallujah to collect the bodies of the civilians that were killed and that are lying in the streets awaiting burial in the cemetery located between the two cities. Last week, US forces supervised as-Saqlawiyah residents who made repeated trips into Fallujah for this purpose.

According to a report from Mafkarat al-Islam, US forces are now stating that the group of as-Saqlawiyah residents who had been conducting this work are no longer allowed in to Fallujah. One US military commanders told the workers that “we are not going to let you enter Fallujah to spread criminals around there.� By “criminals� he was apparently referring to Mujahideen.

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent said that the American ban actually reflects the situation in the al-Jawlan neighborhood of northwestern al-Fallujah, the main entry way into the city, where the Resistance now has a strong presence after breaking through US lines last weekend.

Mujahideen Fire Rockets, Unconventional Warheads In Several Areas

On Tuesday Mujahideen fired 22 Grad and Tariq rockets at concentrations of US troops in the al-Jawlan neighborhood in the northwest of the Fallujah and to the south of the city, particularly the area that faces the industrial zone, according to the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in that area. Also hit by the bombardments were US forces concentrated around the al-‘Askari neighborhood in the east of the city.

More than 28 Tariq and Grad rockets were fired at US troops concentrations in areas outside the city. Those barrages included the use of some unconventional warheads. Three unconventional rockets were fired at US troops gathered in the al-Bu ‘Irin area west of al-Fallujah.

There is no question that US forces remain under serious pressure inside Fallujah in a battle that is far from over, even as the fight over the city and the conflict throughout Iraq has all but disappeared from mainstream news. With the Christmas season coming, a season that fuels western economies, there is a concentrated effort to keep bad news at bay to encourage consumer spending. Regardless, for some American military families there will be no good news as the American death toll continues to mounts daily.

[whitemajikman]

Mujahideen Engaged With Marines In Four Areas Of Fallujah; Resistance Holds
Nov 25, 2004
By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice And Omar Al-Faris, JUS

Mujahideen and US Marines were engaged in fighting in four separate areas yesterday afternoon as the battle for Fallujah continues, according to a report filed at 3:50pm by Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent from inside the city.

The first was in the southern industrial zone and the neighborhoods of ash-Shuhada’ and al-Jubayl, with the second area of engagement to the east in the al-‘Askari neighborhood. Fighting also raged in the northwest in the al-Jawlan neighborhood and more fighting erupted in the center of the city in the al-Wahdah neighborhood, which the Mujahideen seized back from US invaders on Tuesday.

The Mujahideen appear to be fighting in al-‘Askari, in al-Jawlan and in the center in al-Wahdah in an attempt to reduce US pressure on the south of Fallujah, which the Americans have not yet been able to seriously penetrate since they began their offensive several weeks ago. It also appears that the Mujahideen are trying to split up the attacking US forces so that they can engage them in smaller numbers. The centre of the city has become a dangerous zone for Americans forces now that the Mujahideen are the dominate force in al-Wahdah again.

Fighting Resumes In Al-Jaghifi; Mujahideen Fall Back To “Dead Zone�

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent reported that, for the first time in 10 days, sounds of fighting in the al-Jaghifi neighborhood was heard but the reporter was unable to provide detailed information on the nature of the combat there.

The Mujahideen have fallen back from the head of the industrial zone to the east, which is militarily considered a “dead zone� after fighters were exposed to simultaneous attack by occupation forces from three directions; east, north and south. As the result, movement from neighboring areas became difficult so the logical solution was for the Mujahideen to fall back from the small area to more defensible positions. Fighters then advanced once again, forcing the US forces retreated however they then left the area. It appears, that the Mujahideen had no desire to try to hold the small area which would no doubt have invited American attacks.

Overall, the situation in the city remains as it has been for some days – with the Mujahideen controlling about 60 percent of the city, and the US forces present in the rest. The American presence in the areas they hold is still unstable and not in any way consolidated, with Mujahideen attacking their positions frequently.

US Continues To Prevent As-Saqlawiyah Residents From Collecting Bodies

For the third straight day yesterday, US forces refused to let the people of as-Saqlawiyah enter the nearby city of Fallujah to collect the bodies of the civilians that were killed and that are lying in the streets awaiting burial in the cemetery located between the two cities. Last week, US forces supervised as-Saqlawiyah residents who made repeated trips into Fallujah for this purpose.

According to a report from Mafkarat al-Islam, US forces are now stating that the group of as-Saqlawiyah residents who had been conducting this work are no longer allowed in to Fallujah. One US military commanders told the workers that “we are not going to let you enter Fallujah to spread criminals around there.� By “criminals� he was apparently referring to Mujahideen.

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent said that the American ban actually reflects the situation in the al-Jawlan neighborhood of northwestern al-Fallujah, the main entry way into the city, where the Resistance now has a strong presence after breaking through US lines last weekend.

Mujahideen Fire Rockets, Unconventional Warheads In Several Areas

On Tuesday Mujahideen fired 22 Grad and Tariq rockets at concentrations of US troops in the al-Jawlan neighborhood in the northwest of the Fallujah and to the south of the city, particularly the area that faces the industrial zone, according to the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in that area. Also hit by the bombardments were US forces concentrated around the al-‘Askari neighborhood in the east of the city.

More than 28 Tariq and Grad rockets were fired at US troops concentrations in areas outside the city. Those barrages included the use of some unconventional warheads. Three unconventional rockets were fired at US troops gathered in the al-Bu ‘Irin area west of al-Fallujah.

There is no question that US forces remain under serious pressure inside Fallujah in a battle that is far from over, even as the fight over the city and the conflict throughout Iraq has all but disappeared from mainstream news. With the Christmas season coming, a season that fuels western economies, there is a concentrated effort to keep bad news at bay to encourage consumer spending. Regardless, for some American military families there will be no good news as the American death toll continues to mounts daily.

And of course GaiaCON Needs to point this out because he enjoys being the Traitor and loves to demoralize the brave troops which keeps his freedom intact..........

He is nothing but Lowlife Pondscum which needs to go and taste what fighting for your life really means..............

Words on a message board do not even begin to communicate what a traiterous bastard GaiaCON Truly is..................

Do Us All A Favor GaiaCON.................ENLIST.

WMM

[foot_soldier]

November 25, 2004
Rich states' demands threaten environment treaty
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25621863.htm

PRAGUE, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Demands by the United States and other wealthy nations to delay the phasing out of a pesticide that depletes the ozone layer threaten to unravel a key global environmental treaty, experts said on Thursday.

Experts and officials attending a United Nations sponsored meeting on substances that deplete the ozone layer said the Montreal Protocol is at risk because of differences over quotas on the use of methyl bromide, used mainly in fumigating soil.

Under the treaty, signed in 1987 and hailed as one of the most effective environmental treaties ever, the use of methyl bromide was to be phased out in developing nations by 2005.

But the United States, the world's largest user of the chemical, is asking this week's meeting in Prague to allow it "critical use exemptions", a move derided by experts as a step backward in the treaty.

"Sadly, the U.S. government is taking a series of domestic actions that threaten to place the country in non-compliance with the Montreal Protocol," said David Donegir, a former U.S. negotiator on ozone depleting substances during the Clinton administration.

"The U.S. is not alone ... Other countries are also seeking overly large exemptions. But the U.S. exemptions and non-complying domestic actions stand out," Donegir, now policy director at the NRDC Climate centre, added.

Methyl bromide is considered an extremely effective pesticide and is used on crops as varied as cut flowers, strawberries and tomatoes.

But it also depletes the ozone, and is partially to blame for a hole that has appeared in the layer which protects the earth from harmful amounts of ultra violet radiation from the sun. Damage to the ozone layer results in increased rates of skin cancer and eye cataracts.

Analysts at the meeting say the hole in the ozone layer shrank by 20 percent last year and could be repaired by 2050 if targets are met.

AGRICULTURE LOBBY

Under pressure from the agriculture lobby, the U.S. is looking for an exemption to use nearly 9,000 metric tonnes of the chemical -- more than the country used in 2003 -- in both 2005 and 2006.

Claudia McMurray, the chief negotiator for the U.S. at the Prague meeting told Reuters she hopes a deal can be reached, with progress already made on the 2005 quota though a large gap exists on the 2006 quota.

"We are in full compliance with the Protocol. We are making use of a provision that was put in place for the very reason we are using it," she said.

"We've got to a point where there are no technically and economically feasible alternatives available and seven, eight years ago all the parties agreed that in that case, there should be an exception. That's what we are making use of."

The move has angered developing nations who are battling to phase out use of the chemical by 2015 despite having far fewer resources at hand than countries such as the U.S..

Officials fear that if the U.S. is allowed to slide on its commitments, others will follow suit.

"Maintaining the integrity of the Protocol is paramount. Otherwise, the world community is left with only a partial success towards a declining level of this ozone depleting substance," said Klaus Toepfer, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).

"This could have consequences beyond the ozone layer, including all our goals and plans for sustainable development."

[foot_soldier]

November 27, 2004
The global warming sceptics
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/26/1101219743320.html?oneclick=true

Most scientists say that global warming is not only real, but is already contributing to extreme droughts, floods and the melting of the polar ice caps. But a few scientists still insist the idea is bunk. With the Kyoto Protocol about to come into force, Melissa Fyfe investigates the doubters, their financial backers and whether they are worth listening to.

At 401 Collins Street on Monday night, 50 men gathered in a room of plush green carpet, pottery and antique lights to launch a book about the science of climate change. Some of them were scientists. But many were engineers and retired captains of industry. Presiding was Hugh Morgan, president of the Business Council of Australia and former Western Mining boss. The master of ceremonies was retired Labor politician Peter Walsh.

Climate change is about science, but not just about science. It's about business and politics and wielding influence. The men - there was just one woman present - were all climate change sceptics, members of an organisation called the Lavoisier Group that argues global warming is nothing to worry about.

The book they launched - the latest weapon in the tussle for hearts and minds over global warming - was by Melbourne climate change sceptic William Kininmonth, former head of the National Climate Centre, part of the Bureau of Meteorology. He argues that global warming is natural and not caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

The book, Climate Change: A Natural Hazard, blasts the models used by climate scientists to predict and simulate what is happening. They are flawed, he says. "Climate change is naturally variable and it poses serious hazards for human kind," he writes. Focusing on man-made global warming is "self-delusion on a grand scale".

The only problem for the sceptics is that the vast majority of scientists think they are the ones that are deluded. "There's a better scientific consensus on this than on any issue I know - except maybe Newton's second law of dynamics", Dr James Baker, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the US, has said.

The Lavoisier Group challenges the orthodoxy and insists that that doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong. Named after a French scientist celebrated as a father of modern chemistry (and also famous for marrying a 13-year-old girl and meeting his end under the French Revolution's guillotine) the group was born in Australia in the 1990s specifically to question - some say undermine - greenhouse science and the Kyoto Protocol, the international agreement to cut global-warming emissions.

Secretary Ray Evans describes the 90-odd Lavoisier members as a "dad's army" of mostly retired engineers and scientists from the mining, manufacturing and construction industries. Many, he says, regard climate change as "a scam". It is unclear how much Hugh Morgan supports Lavoisier financially, but members pay an annual subscription of $50 and the annual budget is around $10,000. When they want to print a pamphlet to distribute at universities or take an advertisement in a newpaper - as they did in The Australian a few years ago - they appeal to members for money.

In Australia, the group is the obvious embodiment of the movement, but the idea has also been taken up by right-wing think tanks, such as the Institute of Public Affairs, and also feeds into a global network. It is a sophisticated machine that has successfully created the impression that climate change science is mired in uncertainty.

Scientists and environmentalists say the sceptics have been so good at spreading their message they have slowed action mitigating global warming. In Australia, the sceptics have been so persistent that the CSIRO, which employs some of the nation's leading climate scientists, has been forced to be far more proactive in defending climate change science .

Observers say sceptics have influenced attitudes of policy makers and politicians. A consultant and industry adviser on greenhouse gases who declined to be named, said: "I think the sceptics have had an impact. I think Australia's reluctance to ratify the Kyoto protocol has come down to the tactics of these groups that are supported by industry."..... (continued)

[foot_soldier]

The Lavoisier Group
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/

Links to other sites:
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/

[foot_soldier]

July 17, 2001
WMC's hypocrisy on greenhouse emissions
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/500/500p12.htm

On June 10, Hugh Matheson Morgan AO, chief executive of WMC Limited, was awarded a Companion of the Order of Australia for services to business, “particularly through leadership in the formation and evolution of sustainable development policy�. What a joke!

Morgan and WMC (formerly Western Mining Corporation) have been tireless in their efforts to rail against the overwhelming weight of scientific opinion on climate change and to fight national and international initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

WMC's activities span uranium, nickel, copper and gold mining, and the production of phosphate fertiliser. WMC is also a 39.25% part-owner of Alcoa Australia, which operates two aluminium smelters in Victoria and three refineries in Western Australia.

WMC was heavily involved in trying to undermine the Kyoto Protocol in the lead-up to the December 1997 conference at which the protocol was established and opened for signature and ratification. The company worked with free-market think-tanks and corporate front groups in both Australia and the US.

WMC collaborated with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a US free-market think-tank, to organise a climate sceptics conference held in Washington DC in July, 1997. According to CEI research fellow Hugh Morley, the institute “recognised the strategic importance of Australia in the climate change gambit... if Australia sticks to its guns, there might not be a Kyoto treaty after all�.

WMC was one of the sponsors of the August 1997 “Countdown to Kyoto� conference held in Canberra. The conference was organised in collaboration with Frontiers of Freedom, a US free-market think-tank, the CEI and various other climate change sceptics.

Scandal

A scandal erupted in 1997-98 when it was revealed that the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics, which was promulgating absurdly inflated estimates of the economic impacts of the Kyoto Protocol, was receiving corporate donations in return for a place on its steering committee.

WMC is a member of the Business Council of Australia (BCA), which was one of the members of ABARE's steering committee. Alcoa Australia is a member of the Australian Aluminium Council, which was also on the steering committee..... (continued)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh my, what an interesting statement. I guess ole Atlas, who can only serve one master (the oil companies), has goofed up royally.

Guess that means there are sulfur chemicals in jet emissions, and chemtrails is the correct word----not con-trails. Perhaps Con-men prefer con-trails.

Interesting little sentence isn't it:
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"The environmental impacts are in terms ofclimate change, solar ultraviolet radiation change and health concern.According to a Pratt & Whitney paper on “Particulate Emissions from Aircraft”,preliminary data analysis of the effect of sulphur on particulate formation suggeststhat fuel sulphur content plays an important role in volatile formation that in turnact as nuclei for cloud formation. "
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Guess we have yet one more epic case of JR being the liar, since he claims chemtrails are just water vapor. Funny water this stuff that stinks, as it isn't just H20.

Here we have a rather official study saying chemical surfur compounds in jet fuel make for cloud formation. This definitely says chemtrails are not just water vapor.

I do think ATLAS has looked into the Medusa's eyes and his legs of stone are crumbling. Must be all the SOx and sulfuric effects on stone. Get ready for a thud, when JR's massive ego and the Heavens of his Oil Company gods hit the ground. Look behind ole Atlas and you can see he has dropped the ball before. It is really not nice to fool mother nature.

She might just get you and yours with the RICO Act of 1970 and later amendments.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings again,

It appears JR is on a roll with lying again. It seems to happen when he gets exposed. JR's latest lie:

"He then invited the distinguished Jim Phelps"

JR says Halva invited Jim Phelps to Arianna's. It is a blatant lie.

Jim got here by someone reading his web pages and his tracking engine pointed to this Forum thead.

Jim decided it would be fun to make fools out of oil company hacks here, and let them dig all these holes they keep falling into. Take them on a little tour of their labryth, and expose the ugly stuff within.

Come on JR, go for a bakers dozen lies in one day. I am sure the oil company will pay you better then.

IMHO,
is

[foot_soldier]

November 23, 2004
States Pull Out of Talks to Cut Aircraft Pollution
http://www.sej.org/news/index2.htm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. state and local air pollution control officials said on Tuesday they are pulling out of five-year-old talks to develop a voluntary program for reducing pollution from aircraft engines.

A pollution-fighting deal with the aviation sector -- which is expected to see a doubling of nitrogen oxide (NOX) emissions by 2030 -- could not be reached, and the officials said they told the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) so on Monday.

Major airports already have NOX emissions that are greater than those by large stationary sources, like refineries and power plants.

Officials with the State and Territorial Air Pollution Program Administrators (STAPPA) and the Association of Local Air Pollution Control Officials (ALAPCO) joined talks in 1999 to cut pollution from aircraft engines.

"More than five years later, we are extremely disappointed that no progress was made concerning the primary objective of reducing aircraft emissions," the associations said in a joint letter to the EPA and FAA.

The two associations represent air pollution control agencies in 54 states and territories and over 165 major metropolitan areas across the United States.

The officials said a proposal made this summer was "inadequate in terms of scope and stringency" and constrained on the ability of state and local agencies to protect against aviation-related pollution.

Specifically, the groups said the proposed nitrogen oxide emission standard for aircraft engines was not strong enough and excluded other pollutants, such as soot.

The officials also opposed excluding airports not in metropolitan areas that failed to meet EPA's clear air standards and were concerned there were few protections against "dumping" old equipment at non-participating airports.

The officials said that despite not being able to reach an agreement, they are committed "to identifying and implementing strategies" for meaningful emission reductions from the aviation sector.

[gaiacomm]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Mujahideen Engaged With Marines In Four Areas Of Fallujah; Resistance Holds
Nov 25, 2004
By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice And Omar Al-Faris, JUS

Mujahideen and US Marines were engaged in fighting in four separate areas yesterday afternoon as the battle for Fallujah continues, according to a report filed at 3:50pm by Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent from inside the city.

The first was in the southern industrial zone and the neighborhoods of ash-Shuhada’ and al-Jubayl, with the second area of engagement to the east in the al-‘Askari neighborhood. Fighting also raged in the northwest in the al-Jawlan neighborhood and more fighting erupted in the center of the city in the al-Wahdah neighborhood, which the Mujahideen seized back from US invaders on Tuesday.

The Mujahideen appear to be fighting in al-‘Askari, in al-Jawlan and in the center in al-Wahdah in an attempt to reduce US pressure on the south of Fallujah, which the Americans have not yet been able to seriously penetrate since they began their offensive several weeks ago. It also appears that the Mujahideen are trying to split up the attacking US forces so that they can engage them in smaller numbers. The centre of the city has become a dangerous zone for Americans forces now that the Mujahideen are the dominate force in al-Wahdah again.

Fighting Resumes In Al-Jaghifi; Mujahideen Fall Back To “Dead Zone�

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent reported that, for the first time in 10 days, sounds of fighting in the al-Jaghifi neighborhood was heard but the reporter was unable to provide detailed information on the nature of the combat there.

The Mujahideen have fallen back from the head of the industrial zone to the east, which is militarily considered a “dead zone� after fighters were exposed to simultaneous attack by occupation forces from three directions; east, north and south. As the result, movement from neighboring areas became difficult so the logical solution was for the Mujahideen to fall back from the small area to more defensible positions. Fighters then advanced once again, forcing the US forces retreated however they then left the area. It appears, that the Mujahideen had no desire to try to hold the small area which would no doubt have invited American attacks.

Overall, the situation in the city remains as it has been for some days – with the Mujahideen controlling about 60 percent of the city, and the US forces present in the rest. The American presence in the areas they hold is still unstable and not in any way consolidated, with Mujahideen attacking their positions frequently.

US Continues To Prevent As-Saqlawiyah Residents From Collecting Bodies

For the third straight day yesterday, US forces refused to let the people of as-Saqlawiyah enter the nearby city of Fallujah to collect the bodies of the civilians that were killed and that are lying in the streets awaiting burial in the cemetery located between the two cities. Last week, US forces supervised as-Saqlawiyah residents who made repeated trips into Fallujah for this purpose.

According to a report from Mafkarat al-Islam, US forces are now stating that the group of as-Saqlawiyah residents who had been conducting this work are no longer allowed in to Fallujah. One US military commanders told the workers that “we are not going to let you enter Fallujah to spread criminals around there.� By “criminals� he was apparently referring to Mujahideen.

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent said that the American ban actually reflects the situation in the al-Jawlan neighborhood of northwestern al-Fallujah, the main entry way into the city, where the Resistance now has a strong presence after breaking through US lines last weekend.

Mujahideen Fire Rockets, Unconventional Warheads In Several Areas

On Tuesday Mujahideen fired 22 Grad and Tariq rockets at concentrations of US troops in the al-Jawlan neighborhood in the northwest of the Fallujah and to the south of the city, particularly the area that faces the industrial zone, according to the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in that area. Also hit by the bombardments were US forces concentrated around the al-‘Askari neighborhood in the east of the city.

More than 28 Tariq and Grad rockets were fired at US troops concentrations in areas outside the city. Those barrages included the use of some unconventional warheads. Three unconventional rockets were fired at US troops gathered in the al-Bu ‘Irin area west of al-Fallujah.

There is no question that US forces remain under serious pressure inside Fallujah in a battle that is far from over, even as the fight over the city and the conflict throughout Iraq has all but disappeared from mainstream news. With the Christmas season coming, a season that fuels western economies, there is a concentrated effort to keep bad news at bay to encourage consumer spending. Regardless, for some American military families there will be no good news as the American death toll continues to mounts daily.



And of course GaiaCON Needs to point this out because he enjoys being the Traitor and loves to demoralize the brave troops which keeps his freedom intact..........

He is nothing but Lowlife Pondscum which needs to go and taste what fighting for your life really means..............

Words on a message board do not even begin to communicate what a traiterous bastard GaiaCON Truly is..................

Do Us All A Favor GaiaCON.................ENLIST.

WMM



Its too bad that the Marines and others will be murdered in Iraq! You are safe in your house playing on the internet....why don't you go over and fight...like a coward in the wind!

[gaiacomm]

And of course GaiaCON Needs to point this out because he enjoys being the Traitor and loves to demoralize the brave troops which keeps his freedom intact..........

He is nothing but Lowlife Pondscum which needs to go and taste what fighting for your life really means..............

Words on a message board do not even begin to communicate what a traiterous bastard GaiaCON Truly is..................

Do Us All A Favor GaiaCON.................ENLIST.

WMM


I am sure the jews would love to cut your throat as soon as you leave the borders of the US and from under the skirts of your dead mother!

[gaiacomm]

WILLIS/ENLOE: The Coming Wars With Iran And North Korea
Nov 27, 2004
By David B. Willis and Walter W. Enloe

The news from Washington this past week had eerie echoes of the lead-up to the war in Iraq. Now that George Bush has been re-elected President what might we anticipate as future scenarios? If the doctrine of pre-emption is followed the next conflict is likely to go nuclear.

One plausible scenario is that the Neocons will stop at nothing to bring the other members of the Axis of Evil to their knees. There has already been considerable talk along these lines following the election. The Neocons have said as much when they have called for imminent regime change in these countries in documents such as the Project for the New American Century.

Syria might be the first step in this plan, accused of harboring the hidden WMDs of Saddam Hussein or insurgents from Iraq, for example. Cambodia or Laos all over again. An "incursion" and then a "popular uprising" will depose the Assad regime, which will then be shown to have colluded with Hezbollah and Iran in supporting "terrorism." War with Iran will follow and with it the breaking of the nuclear taboo.

Other possible scripts could be triggered by preemptive strikes, the preeminent tool of the Neocons, on either Iranian or North Korean nuclear facilities. The consequences of these strikes would likely lead to the use of battlefield nuclear weapons as well.

In any of the scenarios it is simply assumed that violence is the solution to any difficult problems the US encounters, yet there are simply not enough conventional forces or weapons to adequately wage war, if winning at all costs is the objective. This is despite the fact that Americans are spending $350-400 billion a year on the greatest array of military power the world has ever seen. These resources are being spread around the globe to more than 700 bases being maintained by the American military.

The figure for American defense spending is seven or eight times that of the next highest spenders, Russia and China, at $60 and $50 billion, respectively. The Axis of Evil comes in at less than a billion dollars total, but Americans are still scared. Perhaps what they should really be more scared of is the financial consequences.

The US debt will climb to $7 trillion a year in 2004, five times the entire debt of the third world. Other countries, notably Japan and China, hold one-third of that debt. This is at a time, we might note, that the Harvard economist Jeffrey Sachs has proposed that the world's poverty could be eliminated with an investment of $150 billion.

There is still the possibility of a peaceful rapprochement, but at this stage how likely will that be? Whichever of the scenarios prevails will depend on the will and direction of the next American government. What will these future scenes mean for the world if they do indeed turn nuclear?

We need look only as far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the answers to this question. One of us grew up in Hiroshima in the 1960s, an American missionary child confronted, understandably, by neighboring children and even adults for the devastation that had been wrought by his countrymen. Later, as the principal of the Hiroshima International School and then in schools in Minnesota, he actively supported movements for world peace.

Having brought some consciousness of our culpability in the woes of the last hundred years (and the past several years), we now need to invoke a healing image for the future. We might begin with what Jonathan Schell, in his brilliant book The Fate of The Earth, elaborated as the concept of universal parenthood. After the systematic destruction during the past century of innocent beings in Nanking, Guernica, Auschwitz, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, My Lai, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, and now Fallujah, among others, including the World Trade Center, the very idea of human extinction makes all of us, whether we have children or not, parents of the next generation.

First we need to remind ourselves of the messages of World War II holocausts, then by the past and present threats of nuclear extinction, and finally when human beings glimpsed a holistic image of the Earth as seen from the moon. At that time we saw a world increasing interdependent, complex, and changing: technologically, economically, culturally, ecologically. The sheer beauty of the living reality of Earth itself, devoid of political boundaries and cultural landscapes, conjures up a new sense of hope and urgency that acknowledges and yet transcends cultural, racial, religious, and civil differences.

The image is one of the whole of humanity in interdependent relationship and intertwined with the whole of nature. It is a spiritual view of the world that radiates the interconnectedness of life. In this context Hiroshima's and Nagasaki's spirits remind us of the fragility of human and natural ecosystems and of the fact that the apocalyptic problems our planet faces, other than natural disasters and direct encounters with physical fragments of the universe, are specifically human problems.

What also characterizes the past hundred years is a paradox of the human spirit and human conduct. Hope remains. Through an image of Earth as seen from the moon to planetary satellites, global communication, ecological and economic interdependencies, and through organizations like the United Nations and our fragile Universal Declaration of Human Rights, we have a greater sense of the interconnectedness of the world's people and places.

In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, days before his 1968 assassination, "The world is more and more of a neighborhood. But is it any more of a brotherhood? If we don't learn to live together as brothers and sisters, we shall perish together as fools."

David Blake Willis, Professor of Cultural Studies at Soai University, Osaka, Japan, has published research on globalization, transnational societies, and creolization. Walter Enloe is a Professor of Education at Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota, USA. He is a founding member of the 1000 Cranes peace project and the former headmaster of the Hiroshima International School.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Golly Gee,

I wonder why the ASTM folks came up with these standard tests for metals in fuel, if there is no metal in fuels?

I also wonder why the jet engine fuel filter systems are having higher replacement rates due to the differential pressure alarms going off. And them being plugged with metal.


http://www.astm.org/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/DATABASE.CART/REDLINE_PAGES/UOP389.htm?E+mystore

This method is for determining iron (Fe), nickel (Ni), vanadium (V), lead (Pb), copper (Cu), sodium (Na), molybdenum (Mo), manganese (Mn), chromium (Cr), magnesium (Mg), tin (Sn), calcium (Ca), aluminum (Al) and zinc (Zn) in crude petroleum, oils, jet fuels, gas oils, asphalts, and polymers. Most of the elements can be determined within the concentration range of 0.02 to 200 mass-ppm when a 50-g sample of oil is ashed. Higher or lower concentrations can be determined by ashing appropriate-sized samples and/or modifying the instrument operating parameters. Determination of additional elements is possible if they are not volatilized during the ashing step and do not form insoluble sulfates.


IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Dear readers,
On page 378 of this thread, I posted documentation about sulfur levels in jet fuel, and current moves by the air transport industry to LOWER them. So far, no relevant discussion has taken place. I would have thought that legitimate 'activists' would be interested in such a discussion, but, guess what?

Anyways, for whomever wants to approach the REALITY of aviation pollution concerns on a rational and factual basis, here is the information, again.
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190003&postcount=3772

The essence of the paper is that fuel sulfur levels are specified to be no higher than .3% by weight, or 3000 parts per million. Current worldwide average sulfur content of jet fuel is 400-600 parts per million(.04-.06% by wt.), which is far lower than the maximum allowable sulfur content. This is a sign that the refinery industry is doing a VERY GOOD JOB of providing much cleaner than allowable fuel. Some production, however, remains which is at a higher sulfur level.

The changes sought would incrementally lower the sulfur content down to perhaps 1000, in 500ppm steps. This is a good move, in my opinion. In comparison, many US automobile gasoline refiners produce gasoline with sulphur less than 100 ppm.
http://www.hess.com/downloads/reports/EHS/US/2002/pdfs/hess_tables_u.pdf

Technical, safety, and production issues will begin to come into play as sulfur is lowered. The IPCC actually finds that producing zero sulfur jet fuel, however, would INCREASE CO2 production overall, due to increased energy consumption required to make the ultra-clean fuel.

So there are tradeoffs.

Even if all sulfur were taken out of jet fuel, the fact that it is a hydrogen-containing fuel means that contrails will still form and persist, as ordinary clouds do, because of the water vapor produced in combustion.

Sorry, chemmie purists, but that is REALITY 2U!

So, if you chem-cult members are actually interested in environmental issues of REALITY, come onboard, or get left behind promoting a hoax that leads nowhere.........

happy trails,
Jay

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Then again, I would not wonder very long when we see that DOE and DOD has been funding these type catalytic developments for the oil business.

IMHO,
is

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http://www.dawnbreaker.com/forums/doe/chemproc.html
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COMPANY 14: Gas-to-Liquids, Fischer-Tropsch, low sulfur diesel, nanometer-sized particles, iron catalysts, continuous magnetic separation

This 22 year old company – an innovator in development of magnetic separation technologies – presents a method (patents pending) for separation of nanometer-sized particles from viscous flows, proven for removal of iron catalyst particles from Fischer-Tropsch wax. This beneficial technology permits use of versatile iron catalysts in synthesizing products including food quality wax and low sulfur diesel fuel. The user of this technology will have a decisive advantage in the evolving $100 billion annual gas-to-liquids market. The company seeks a licensee or buyer who will outsource a portion of its continued development to the company.
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COMPANY 15: Nano-powders, high-activity catalysts, complex metal oxides, carbon powders, aluminum oxide

This company is a specialty materials manufacturer producing metal oxide nano-powders, carbon nano-powders and high activity/selectivity catalysts. The $700M/year specialty nano-particle and $10B/year catalyst industries are the primary markets served. Patented and proprietary process and product technologies yield large volumes of high purity, single metal oxide products at competitive prices. Production of Al2O3 and Fe2O3 will start in 2004. Unique, high-margin complex metal oxides for ultra-high performance catalyst applications will be introduced in 2005. They are seeking $10M from venture investors or corporate partners to support growth of their nano-powder and catalyst manufacturing businesses. Projections indicate greater than $100M in annual sales by 2008 and ROI greater than 50%.
==

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_8_6/ai_85046006

New process could compete with desulfurization technologies - Brief Article
Diesel Fuel News, April 15, 2002 by Jack Peckham
Save a personal copy of this article and quickly find it again with Furl.net. Get started now. (It's free.)A so-called "selective adsorption for removing sulfur" (SARS) process developed at laboratory-scale at Pennsylvania State University now seeks industrial partners to carry research & development to the next stage.

According to a paper presented to American Chemical Society last week, Penn State researchers have found a way to remove organic sulfur from liquid hydrocarbon fuels (diesel, jet fuel, gasoline) on a metal adsorbent that's regenerated by a recyclable solvent.

"This method will not adsorb the co-existing compounds like benzene and naphthalene," Penn State researcher Xiaoliang Ma told the ACS meeting.

Removing sulfur compounds this way without removing aromatics from diesel or gasoline can be difficult, but the researchers found a way to employ transition metals or transition metal alloys to grab these compounds without significant yield penalty, they said.

"The active adsorbent is placed on a porous, non-reactive substrate that allows the greatest surface area for adsorption," according to the researchers. "Adsorption occurs when the sulfur molecules attach to the transition metals on the substrate and remain there separate from the fuel."

According to co-researcher Michael Sprague, "the absorbent transition metals can clean 10 times their volume of fuel, but eventually the system becomes saturated with sulfur," hence the solvent regeneration step. The solvent is reclaimed, while the sulfur extract can be further processed. The ultimate aim is a complete commercial system that can be continuously regenerated, they said.

The researchers first unveiled their concept in another ACS paper last fall in which they claimed to have found an alternative to the Phillips "S-Zorb" process.

The key difference, Penn State researcher Chunshan Song told us, is that "our process is sulfur adsorption at ambient temperature and atmospheric pressure, whereas S-Zorb is at elevated temperature and low pressure, and their process converts sulfur to sulfide."

Phillips contends that its process should result in only minimal chemical hydrogen loss. The Penn State process would require only minimal hydrotreating of the sulfur extract and thus avoid hydrogen loss, Song said.

"S-Zorb is a good process, but for refiners, it depends upon what you want," considering the wide variety of refinery configurations, he said.

The researchers say their adsorbent regeneration process produces an eluate of sulfur compounds and solvent sent to an evaporator for solvent recycle, from which a concentrated sulfur extract is obtained. This extract "accounts for less than 1 wt% of the whole fuel," the researchers said. "The concentrated sulfur fraction is hydrodesulfurized in a small HDS reactor. Then, the HDS produced is blended with the hydrocarbon fraction from the adsorber."

U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense have contributed funds for R&D, because the process could have application for desulfurization of military fuels for future fuel-cell applications. Recent research work focused on desulfurizing JP-8 jet fuel, which is typically around 500-ppm sulfur. In this work, the researchers cut sulfur to less than 1 ppm.

[gaiacomm]

Dear Readers:

Pages and pages of cut and paste on this debate on chemtrails and not one conclusion or definitive answer. Just mudslinging and rantings. Now what?

[gaiacomm]

LOW FREQUENCY ACTIVE SONAR (LFAS)

HISTORY: In the early 1980's, the U.S. Navy identified a new generation of silent submarines as a national security threat. The Navy chose low frequency active sonar (LFAS) as the best available system to detect these submarines. LFAS is the loudest sound ever produced by humans in the water.

In 1995 the LFAS system was on the verge of being deployed in 80% of the world's oceans, when the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) discovered the Navy's failure to follow the law and threatened legal action. At this point the Navy agreed to prepare a draft global Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).

The Navy hired scientists to study, test and define the impact of LFAS on whales. Tests of LFAS, at levels thousands of times below their previous deployment level, took place in 1997 and 1998. Even at these low decibel levels there were significant documented detrimental effects on whales and humans, i.e.: NATO LFAS TRANSMISSIONS CORRELATED WITH A STRANDING OF 12 BEACHED WHALES IN 1996.

We are deeply concerned that the Navy's testing of the LFAS at low levels, strongly suggest that this system will have devastating effects on marine life when used at higher deployment levels.

TODAY: It is clear that the Navy's current draft EIS does not address current documented scientific concerns regarding the potentially profoundly damaging affects of Low Frequency Active Sonar (LFAS). This failure to address relevant evidence in the draft EIS is a violation of the laws governing environmental laws.

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE NAVY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW FOR ITHIS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING TECHNOLOGY

[foot_soldier]

Big Oil Supporter Reynolds never shows us pictures of his normal, benign contrails so I guess we'll have to provide them. Big Oil Supporter Reynolds would like everyone to believe that skies continually strafed with normal, benign contrails are just something we have to "get used to" in the name of Freedom and Prosperity despite the (repeatedly well-documented) cumulative damage they are wreaking on atmospheric chemistry and hydrology processes.

Reynolds' Mantra: "Our skies have always looked this way. You dumb asses just never noticed before."

WRONG.

http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2004-4/magicgallery/cc-20041001-132318.htm

[Insurrectionchemistry]

What is the largest produced transition metal next to iron? And the cheepest?

http://www.chemicalelements.com/groups/transition.html

Titanium

[foot_soldier]

What chemical element facilitates ozone production in the troposphere and is a catalyst for ozone destruction in the stratosphere?

Answer: Nitrogen Oxide

What could be utilized to mitigate the impact of nitrogen oxide emissions on tropospheric ozone levels?

Answer: Titanium Dioxide.

May 6, 2004
To Cut Daytime Smog, Attack It At Night
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0506/p16s02-sten.htm

Excerpt:

The recipe for an ozone "event" seems simple. Mix together nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbons that cars, factories, and some natural processes emit. Add sunshine. VoilÃ*! Ozone smog. Like a vaguely stated cake recipe, apparent simplicity hides underlying complexity. It takes a lot of preparation to set things up so the ingredients mix to make major smog.

While smogmaking stops when the sun goes down, the atmospheric cauldron keeps on bubbling. Its action helps determine what happens after sunrise the next day. Steven Brown at NOAA's Aeronomy Laboratory in Boulder, Colo., and his colleagues have dis-covered an effect that makes this point. They find that the atmosphere in the marine environment of coastal New England can do a trick that "will short-circuit some of the ozone production that would have occurred the next day," Dr. Brown says.

During the night, ozone-forming nitrogen oxides undergo chemical reactions that transform them into nitric acid gas. This gas rapidly deposits on the surface, partially cleansing the air of key smogmaking ingredients. As Brown's colleague A.R. Ravishankara notes, this glimpse of a previously unknown process shows that "the nighttime chemistry is a new piece of the air-quality puzzle.... We need to find out more about when and where it is important." For example: Are there circumstances where it enhances smogmaking rather than moderating it? And what else is going on?

This research is part of an ongoing comprehensive study of New England air quality. Some of the results will be specific to this region. Other findings may have wider relevance. It is already clear that scientists everywhere need to understand what's going on in the atmosphere 24 hours a day.

They may need new tools to help them. The discovery Brown and his colleagues published in Geophysical Research Letters was made possible by new instruments that measured concentrations of key chemicals that had been nearly impossible to assess before.

Meanwhile, some air-quality engineers are experimenting with ways to clean up local air. The European Union is funding tests of a paint that contains tiny particles of titanium dioxide and calcium carbonate. That combination transforms polluting nitrogen oxides (NOX) into calcium nitrate with water and carbon dioxide as harmless byproducts.

Also, tests in Italy showed that a concrete made with NOX-scrubbing cement reduced street-level concentration of the oxides by up to 60 percent, according to a report in New Scientist magazine.

By getting a better handle on the complex chemistry of smog, scientists may make it easier to fight air pollution.

***

May 10, 2004
Nano-paint gobbles smog
(Link no longer available)

European scientists have devised a paint that soaks up nitrogen oxide gases emitted by vehicle exhausts, a pollution source that can cause smog and respiratory problems.

The substance, Ecopaint, will go on sale next month and, when painted on the side of buildings, should be able to soak up nitrogen oxides (NOx) for five years until its novel coating is exhausted, an article to be published in the next issue of New Scientist says.

The secret lies in spherical nanoparticles of titanium dioxide and calcium carbonate that are just 30 nanometres across, mixed into a silicon-based polymer, polysiloxane.

The particles are so tiny that the paint is clear, and pigment can be added to make the desired colour. But the first paint to go on sale will be white.

The polysiloxane is relatively porous, and lets the NOx gases, the collective name for nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide, diffuse through it. The gases then adhere to the particles of titanium dioxide.

The particles absorb ultraviolet radiation from sunlight, and the energy from this converts NOx in a chemical reaction to nitric acid.

The acid is either washed away by rain or is neutralised by the alkaline calcium carbonate.

But the calcium carbonate typically lasts just five years. After that time, the titanium dioxide still breaks down the NOx but the acid produced discolours the paint.

The product was invented by a British company, Millennium Chemicals, under a European Union-funded program to help improve air quality in cities.

An experiment conducted in Milan, Italy, in 2002 with a similar catalytic coating painted on a stretch of road, reduced levels of NOx at street level by 60%, and residents reported they found it easier to breathe.

[foot_soldier]

Re: Titanium dioxide:

Atmospheric Purification by Photocatalysis
http://www.aist.go.jp/NIRE/eco_tec_e/taisaku_e.htm

Atmospheric constituents such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and CFC substitutes, greenhouse gases, and nitrogenous and sulfurous compounds undergo photochemical reactions either directly or indirectly in the presence of sunlight. In a polluted area, these can build up in the atmosphere rather than eventually being removed. NIRE is especially concerned with heterogeneous processes in which particulate matter and aerosols play a role.

We have found that some materials called "photocatalysts" based on titanium dioxide (TiO2) can remove nitrogen and sulfur oxides to the levels of environmental standards (about 0.05 ppm). As this photocatalyst is activated by sunlight and regenerated by rainfall, it can purify ambient air naturally without additional energy use. Tests of these air-purifying materials are being conducted at the sides of roads with heavy traffic. Some local governments have begun considering their use.

***
Environmental Technology Research Network
http://www.aist.go.jp/NIRE/eternet/cat-res/air/reaction.htm

1. Development of Technology for Removing Air Pollutants by Photocatalysis
2. 1993-1997
3. air
4. counter measures, remediation, reaction mechanism, monitoring
5. chemistry, material science
6. Takashi IBUSUKI, Shin-ya YOKOYAMA, Koji TAKEUCHI, Shuzo KUTSUNA, Hitomi KOBARA, Nobuaki NEGISHI
7. Photoenergy Application Div., Global Warming Control Dept.
8. NIRE, AIST, MITI
9. 16-3 Onogawa, Tsukuba, Ibaraki 305
10. Japan
11. 81-298-61-8162
12. 81-298-61-8158
13. This project aims at developing technically and economically feasible purification methods for ambient air. Photocatalysts based on titanium dioxide were found to remove ppm-level nitrogen and sulfur oxides from air by oxidation. As the catalysts require only near ultraviolet light for activation and water for regeneration by rinsing the oxidation products (nitrate and sulfate) off, the catalysts can be operated under outdoor conditions with natural energies only. The reaction mechanisms, improvement of photocatalytic activity, and immobilization of the catalysts are studied in the project.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Very Good F_S,

I knew someone would catch on a take ball and run with it. Methods for refinery oil cleaning and direct air absorption are very similar.

Many based on the nano-technologies that make up the highest surface areas for the lowest mass of materials. Greatest efficiency.

I tend to call the "nano-tech" particle methods as "colloid" type methods, which is how the effects came to be noted at ORNL in the 80's. Now that basic concept is all over in the oil business and air clean up methods.

And you defintely will make JR into a eunuch very soon. If you look for Securities and Exchange viloations on disclosure for public offerings and issues linked to RICO, you may as well give him and his corperate raiders a free ride to Leavenworth. That will make Halva excited.

Keep in mind there are Ti effects with F, that form complexes that keep down the mad cow / BSE effects in areas that use Ti methods.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Just for the record, so JR can't go back and erase his threats to stalk everyone that is into discovery of refinery methods linked to chemtrail techniques.

His corperate thug methods can and will be used against him. Take note of the threats of the self appointed judge and demigod named "JR," whose big oil mission is to harass and misinform the world of chemtrails activism.

As these discovery issues develop, don't hesitate to inform congress, write your local state and fed. atty. gens., FBI, DOJ, and etc. You do have a choice not to tolerate blatant threats.

IMHO,
is

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http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397&page=378&pp=10

NOTICE TO ALL CHEMMIES

The foregoing text is the most important development this year regarding ordinary contrails, which hoax promoters label "chemtrails". If chemmies wish to come into the realm of reality they will intensely study it and understand it's science, it's details, and it's implications. That is why I have posted the document here in full text form, though the PDF file includes graphs and charts necessary to complete understanding.

http://www.qinetiq.com/home/core_sk...r.0012.File.pdf

There is a possibility that ordinary contrail size and persistence could be related to jet fuel sulfur content. This has not been proven and remains uncertain. One thing is certain, what have been mis-labeled "chemtrails" are definitely ordinary contrails, and if you wish to come into reality, you will accept that fact and deal with it.

Current moves are taking place to lower the jet fuel sulfur content, which remains, on average, below the maximum specification already. The preceding text describes the state of the situation as of last April.

Chemmies have a choice.

1- Continue with the hoax, which has absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever having a resolution for it is based on false premises, promoted by charlatans, and carried on by idiots, the intentionally ignorant, and liars.

2- Disavow and debunk the hoax, then, after much contrition and weeding out of the false beliefs within your cult, attempt to engage in genuine activism regarding the avenue of determining whether, or not, contrail extent and persistence is related to jet fuel sulfur content. If found to be true, steps can be taken to minimize contrail extent and persistence by lowering the sulfur. Be aware that many other factors determine contrail formation and persistence, which information is freely available in the literature, and I must emphasize that, so long as planes use hydrocarbon fuels, [u]SOME[/] contrails will continue.

Finally, I vow to publicly expose to public scrutiny any and all persons and/or organizations who
I judge to be continuing the hoax in any form, or who might attempt to interject provably false claims into the jet fuel sulfur content debate. You can take THAT to the bank, for I keep my word and will follow you to the ends of the earth and beyond to do so. On my side will be legions of others who will likewise judge your actions for what they really are, and have resources to do so far in excess of my own.

So, the choice is yours, let reality reign and let's get down to business.

======

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Some more information to take into account:

Oak Ridge and the surrouding area was one of the first places to undergo chemtrail experiments. Late 80s-early 90s. Aircraft dumped so much TiO2 around that the sticky material laden with nitrogen stuck to the rooftops and started a nitrigen growth media (fertilizer) for all kinds of black looking materails on roofing shingles.

There was so much TiO2 on rooftops that literally white clumps of the stuff would come off the roofs in rains and puddle up around downspouts.

is

[jayreynolds]

Golly Gee,
I wonder why the ASTM folks came up with these standard tests for metals in fuel, if there is no metal in fuels?
I also wonder why the jet engine fuel filter systems are having higher replacement rates due to the differential pressure alarms going off. And them being plugged with metal.
Well, golly gee, Jimbo, looks like you've found exactly the sort of analyzer you need to use to get that jet fuel sampled. I'm still waiting for the certfied lab analysis...........

In fact, here is a lab in your home town that does ICP-OES metals analysis.
http://www.galbraith.com/contact.htm

GET ON YOUR HOBBY-HORSE AND RIDE, DUDE!

[jayreynolds]

Some more information to take into account:

Oak Ridge and the surrouding area was one of the first places to undergo chemtrail experiments. Late 80s-early 90s. Aircraft dumped so much TiO2 around that the sticky material laden with nitrogen stuck to the rooftops and started a nitrigen growth media (fertilizer) for all kinds of black looking materails on roofing shingles.

There was so much TiO2 on rooftops that literally white clumps of the stuff would come off the roofs in rains and puddle up around downspouts.

And I suppose we are just supposed to take Jim Phelp's word for this?
How bout some proof, Jimbo?

[jayreynolds]

[b]Big Oil Supporter Reynolds never shows us pictures of his normal, benign contrails so I guess we'll have to provide them.

Deborah, You know that just isn't true, babe!

Remember five years ago that website you spearheaded a campaign to gete deleted?
Yes, it was mine, but it's been back times 3, and there is a gallery of normal contrails going back over fifty years. Remember, back in the old days when you used to promote the 'barium-in-chemtrails hoax', Deborah?

Anyway, don't believe what I say, check out the link below and you can see my gallery.

Those puny contrail pictures from six miles below, however, really pale in comparison to the ones that ordinary pilots and crews take. They display their photos on a website where you can find hundreds of ordinary contrail pictures that will definitely make an ignorant paranoid chemmie swoon, but which these aviators find fascinating, even beautiful. After all, doesn't everybody love a picture of clouds?

"SriLankan Airlines (Air Lanka) Airbus A330-243 Flying on top of an old dissipating contrail. At ground level the sun is already setting. Quite a sight."
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/637287/L/

Get over it, Deborah. Come out of the closet and admit that you have known for quite some time that "chemtrails" are bogus. You'll feel better about yourself and look better too because you won't have that burden of lies all bottled up inside.

[whitemajikman]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Mujahideen Engaged With Marines In Four Areas Of Fallujah; Resistance Holds
Nov 25, 2004
By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice And Omar Al-Faris, JUS

Mujahideen and US Marines were engaged in fighting in four separate areas yesterday afternoon as the battle for Fallujah continues, according to a report filed at 3:50pm by Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent from inside the city.

The first was in the southern industrial zone and the neighborhoods of ash-Shuhada’ and al-Jubayl, with the second area of engagement to the east in the al-‘Askari neighborhood. Fighting also raged in the northwest in the al-Jawlan neighborhood and more fighting erupted in the center of the city in the al-Wahdah neighborhood, which the Mujahideen seized back from US invaders on Tuesday.

The Mujahideen appear to be fighting in al-‘Askari, in al-Jawlan and in the center in al-Wahdah in an attempt to reduce US pressure on the south of Fallujah, which the Americans have not yet been able to seriously penetrate since they began their offensive several weeks ago. It also appears that the Mujahideen are trying to split up the attacking US forces so that they can engage them in smaller numbers. The centre of the city has become a dangerous zone for Americans forces now that the Mujahideen are the dominate force in al-Wahdah again.

Fighting Resumes In Al-Jaghifi; Mujahideen Fall Back To “Dead Zone�

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent reported that, for the first time in 10 days, sounds of fighting in the al-Jaghifi neighborhood was heard but the reporter was unable to provide detailed information on the nature of the combat there.

The Mujahideen have fallen back from the head of the industrial zone to the east, which is militarily considered a “dead zone� after fighters were exposed to simultaneous attack by occupation forces from three directions; east, north and south. As the result, movement from neighboring areas became difficult so the logical solution was for the Mujahideen to fall back from the small area to more defensible positions. Fighters then advanced once again, forcing the US forces retreated however they then left the area. It appears, that the Mujahideen had no desire to try to hold the small area which would no doubt have invited American attacks.

Overall, the situation in the city remains as it has been for some days – with the Mujahideen controlling about 60 percent of the city, and the US forces present in the rest. The American presence in the areas they hold is still unstable and not in any way consolidated, with Mujahideen attacking their positions frequently.

US Continues To Prevent As-Saqlawiyah Residents From Collecting Bodies

For the third straight day yesterday, US forces refused to let the people of as-Saqlawiyah enter the nearby city of Fallujah to collect the bodies of the civilians that were killed and that are lying in the streets awaiting burial in the cemetery located between the two cities. Last week, US forces supervised as-Saqlawiyah residents who made repeated trips into Fallujah for this purpose.

According to a report from Mafkarat al-Islam, US forces are now stating that the group of as-Saqlawiyah residents who had been conducting this work are no longer allowed in to Fallujah. One US military commanders told the workers that “we are not going to let you enter Fallujah to spread criminals around there.� By “criminals� he was apparently referring to Mujahideen.

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent said that the American ban actually reflects the situation in the al-Jawlan neighborhood of northwestern al-Fallujah, the main entry way into the city, where the Resistance now has a strong presence after breaking through US lines last weekend.

Mujahideen Fire Rockets, Unconventional Warheads In Several Areas

On Tuesday Mujahideen fired 22 Grad and Tariq rockets at concentrations of US troops in the al-Jawlan neighborhood in the northwest of the Fallujah and to the south of the city, particularly the area that faces the industrial zone, according to the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in that area. Also hit by the bombardments were US forces concentrated around the al-‘Askari neighborhood in the east of the city.

More than 28 Tariq and Grad rockets were fired at US troops concentrations in areas outside the city. Those barrages included the use of some unconventional warheads. Three unconventional rockets were fired at US troops gathered in the al-Bu ‘Irin area west of al-Fallujah.

There is no question that US forces remain under serious pressure inside Fallujah in a battle that is far from over, even as the fight over the city and the conflict throughout Iraq has all but disappeared from mainstream news. With the Christmas season coming, a season that fuels western economies, there is a concentrated effort to keep bad news at bay to encourage consumer spending. Regardless, for some American military families there will be no good news as the American death toll continues to mounts daily.



And of course GaiaCON Needs to point this out because he enjoys being the Traitor and loves to demoralize the brave troops which keeps his freedom intact..........

He is nothing but Lowlife Pondscum which needs to go and taste what fighting for your life really means..............

Words on a message board do not even begin to communicate what a traiterous bastard GaiaCON Truly is..................

Do Us All A Favor GaiaCON.................ENLIST.

WMM



Its too bad that the Marines and others will be murdered in Iraq! You are safe in your house playing on the internet....why don't you go over and fight...like a coward in the wind!


I already have served ,for your information...............

Unlike YOU the Hypocrite whom likes to talk the talk BUT NEVER walks the walk...............

Cowardice is all you will ever know because you cannot assimilate FACT from FICTION.........

I hope they bring back the Draft,Then you can know what its like.............Living life Minute to Minute.......Knowing that the next could be your last...............

Quit trying to be an Armchair Qaurterback ,when you have no clue what it is to serve and protect.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

I am sure the jews would love to cut your throat as soon as you leave the borders of the US and from under the skirts of your dead mother!

You have no clue what you are talking about..........

Because I am not in the U.S. at this present time moron...........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

I already have served ,for your information...............

Unlike YOU the Hypocrite whom likes to talk the talk BUT NEVER walks the walk...............

Cowardice is all you will ever know because you cannot assimilate FACT from FICTION.........

I hope they bring back the Draft,Then you can know what its like.............Living life Minute to Minute.......Knowing that the next could be your last...............

Quit trying to be an Armchair Qaurterback ,when you have no clue what it is to serve and protect.

WMM


Blah...Blah. Blah....!

[gaiacomm]

You have no clue what you are talking about..........

Because I am not in the U.S. at this present time moron...........

WMM


Even better! What size jumpsuit do you wear? LOL

[gaiacomm]

James E. Phelps studied electrical engineering at the University of Tennessee with his thesis being in core reactor refuelling electronics for breeder reactors. Much of his work was at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee (ORNL) which is funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) where he worked in the areas of radiation detection and measurements and site remediation amongst other tasks.

He developed the concept of air pharmacology while working at ORNL. This concept entails "treating" the air with chemicals to mitigate and offset the effects of other toxic chemicals in the air such as hydrogen fluoride and chlorine. The purpose was to lessen the extremely toxic effects of fluoride pollution while not stating that a problem existed to the public. The entire art of pharmacology is about how to add one more toxic effect to mitigate another from industry or environment.

The chemtrail technique is basically air pharmacology - how to add one more pollutant that has some positive synergistic effect against another. Phelps developed this approach while looking at weapons plants worker health effects at ORNL.

Jim has been actively and openly involved in criticism of ORNL and DOE and much related material may be found by searching online and also at his environmental newsletter web site: DOEWatch. There you will find much on "air pharmacology" or "scattering" or "geoengineering" or, in other words, "chemtrails". In his web pages he openly makes the claim of being a whistle blower.

Jim was asked for some opinion on the Holmestead.ca Shield Project web page and he has provided this short "review":


*****

"I have been asked to comment on the earlier Holmestead.ca chemtrail question and answer web page regarding the: Shield Project. Here are my thoughts:

Sounds connected pretty close - sounds like one of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory types.

LLNL (funded by the DOE) is where all the weather and toxic computer science happens in the U.S. They do the EIS [Environmental Impact Statements] for the wars and things. Most of the science and logic "Deep Shield" describes is real close - not perfect. Any errors in the web page version may simply be due to note taking and transcription. Some additional questions could have been asked such as relating to the radiation conversion ionization mechanism of the barium and fluoride.

Keep in mind that the "Star Wars" program and "chemtrails" overlap. The Star Wars program called "Excalibur" uses all the physics connected to the chemtrail effects. Excalibur is a nuclear pumped x-ray LASER system, whose basic operations are the same as those for the Sun's radiation acting on the fluorides in the upper atmosphere. They are so close to each other that both of them use the "shield" term.

This "Deep" person speaks the exact lingo from ORNL in the 80's that was used as the national security justification for the chemtrails and their close association to Star Wars and Ed Teller.

"Deep" refers to the need to keep all this mess secret so as not to panic the planet. What this does is allow them to manipulate things. We all know that for a problem of this magnitude, that in order to fix it, you involve all the peoples of the planet. This process would bring on real global cooperation and peace.

This is basically the time when all the peoples of the world deserve to know the problems and learn to work together. This is the real definition for greater good and bringing on global oneness.

You are headed in that direction of openness and accountability with your web site work and this is good."

Jim Phelps

[gaiacomm]

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/globalwarmingteller.pdf

[gaiacomm]

http://www.dubyaspeak.com/

[gaiacomm]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html

[jayreynolds]

What do you realy think happens when people like this meteorologist hear from ill-informed
women who haven't a clue, Wayne, Deborah?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/message/117796

I can tell you exactly what they think, 'Here's another wacko e-mail."

And Deborah thinks she can just sit back and pretend she had nothing to do with all this, or you, Wayne?

Think again.

By promoting such a hoax, and supporting people like A. C. Griffith, Jim Phelps, David G. Stewart, Lance Haubrick(giacom), Carnicom, William Thomas, all of whom you are aware spread misinformation like the woman above regurgitates, you all slash each other's collective throats, undermine each other's credibility, and destroy any chance of ever becoming 'climate activists'.

Don't start blaming anyone else but yourselves as things go sour for you. The evidence against you mounts daily as more and more lies get spread, only to be swiftly debunked.
Have a look at what happened the past four days at indymedia, where a chemmie has gotten caught in an ever-more embarassing train of deceit:
(see links along the right margin)
http://www.tampaindymedia.org/bin/site/templates/default.asp?area_2=imc/open%20newswire/2004/Nov/79440.84375.dat

[gaiacomm]

What do you realy think happens when people like this meteorologist hear from ill-informed
women who haven't a clue, Wayne, Deborah?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/message/117796

I can tell you exactly what they think, 'Here's another wacko e-mail."

And Deborah thinks she can just sit back and pretend she had nothing to do with all this, or you, Wayne?

Think again.

By promoting such a hoax, and supporting people like A. C. Griffith, Jim Phelps, David G. Stewart, Lance Haubrick(giacom), Carnicom, William Thomas, all of whom you are aware spread misinformation like the woman above regurgitates, you all slash each other's collective throats, undermine each other's credibility, and destroy any chance of ever becoming 'climate activists'.

Don't start blaming anyone else but yourselves as things go sour for you. The evidence against you mounts daily as more and more lies get spread, only to be swiftly debunked.
Have a look at what happened the past four days at indymedia, where a chemmie has gotten caught in an ever-more embarassing train of deceit:
(see links along the right margin)
http://www.tampaindymedia.org/bin/site/templates/default.asp?area_2=imc/open%20newswire/2004/Nov/79440.84375.dat


Now JR, how could you make such statements.... you are smarter than that! Correction: Lance Haubrick, Gaiacomm and Dr. Judah Ben-Hur!

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Deborah, I was passing by the library today and stopped in to see what really happens over at Carnicom's messageboard, everybody from my service provider has been banned there for about four years. What I saw was a collection of the worst of the worst, alien mumbo-jumbo, crazies spouting off, stuff that must just burn your butt. YOU KNOW that forum can never be credible again.

All those thousands of cut/pastes you've made there and carefully archived have been a complete and total waste of time, of no use to anyone, and certainly you wouldn't want anybody REAL to see what sort of people follow your hoax, DO You?

Pretty much the same story at chemtrailcentral(aka mech's house of conspiracy), well he ventured a short way outside his feifdom and look what happened:
http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessageRange? topicID=2726.topic&start=41&stop=56

You guys ARE good for some excercise whenever I need to blow off some good old Texas Whup-ass. Yeeeeeee------haaaaaaaw!

[gaiacomm]

Colombian Rebels Planned to Kill President Bush

Sat Nov 27, 2:59 PM ET Politics - Reuters


By Hugh Bronstein

BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) was targeted for assassination by Colombia's biggest Marxist rebel group this week when he visited the Caribbean port city of Cartagena, a top Colombian official said on Saturday.


Reuters Photo



"According to informants and various sources, we had information indicating that various members of the FARC had been instructed by their leaders to make an attempt against President Bush," Defense Secretary Jorge Alberto Uribe told reporters.


He would not reveal details of the threat.


The U.S. Secret Service, which protects the president, said it "does not comment or release information regarding our protective intelligence and protective methods."


"We do not discuss any alleged threats to our protectees," said Jonathan Cherry, a Secret Service spokesman.


White House spokesman Jim Morrell also declined to comment on the plot, but he said: "We have full confidence in the fine work of the Secret Service and their work with the security officials on the ground when the president travels."


The 17,000-strong Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, fighting a 40-year guerrilla war against the state, has long accused the United States of backing business interests in this Andean country while ignoring the 60 percent of the population that lives in poverty.


There was heavy security in Cartagena when Bush visited the city on Monday on his way back from the APEC (news - web sites) forum in Chile. Military helicopters packed with armed soldiers flew over Bush's motorcade while naval vessels kept watch offshore. Many shops were shuttered.


The FARC has made many attempts against the life of President Alvaro Uribe, one of few conservative South American presidents with strong ties to Washington. Uribe, whose father was killed resisting kidnap by the FARC in the 1980s, narrowly survived a car bomb attack by the FARC during his 2002 presidential campaign.


The last U.S. president to visit Colombia was Bill Clinton (news - web sites), whose trip to Cartagena was marked by the seizure of bomb-making materials from a house six blocks from a building Clinton was visiting.


Bush used his four-hour trip to solidify his alliance with Uribe, whom he considers an ally in the effort to curtail the illegal drug trade and fight terrorism.


Colombia produces about 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States and 50 percent of the heroin.


Washington has paid out more than $3 billion over the past four years for Plan Colombia, a security and anti-drug program developed by Clinton and former Colombian President Andres Pastrana. Bush has promised more support.


Colombia's economy is expected to grow by 4 percent this year and next as it takes advantage of a reduction in violence in its war involving the FARC and far-right paramilitaries, both of which have links to the country's huge cocaine trade.

[gaiacomm]

Whitemajikman is everywhere!

http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessageRange? topicID=2726.topic&start=41&stop=56

[gaiacomm]

US report: Nearly 21,000 US casualties


Friday 26 November 2004, 16:31 Makka Time, 13:31 GMT


At least 109 US troops have been killed in Iraq this month



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Nearly 21,000 wounded US soldiers have been treated at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Centre in Germany, a US military newspaper has reported.



"As of Tuesday, 20,802 troops have been treated at Landstuhl from injuries received in operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom," writes Ben Murray for the US military's Stars and Stripes European edition newspaper.



The 26 November report did not provide information on the number of military fatalities.

Nevertheless, November has been the second deadliest month for US troops in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion, says the Pentagon.

At least 109 US troops have been killed in Iraq this month, about half of whom died in an offensive that began on 8 November in Falluja, according to Pentagon figures.

In the 20-month war, only April 2004, with 135 military deaths, produced a higher monthly US death toll.

The offensive in Falluja, a city west of Baghdad, was part of efforts to quell resistance before January's elections.

But even as the US military said 1200 to 1600 fighters had been killed in Falluja and their operations decisively halted, fighters continued their anti-US attacks in many other cities.

Troops reduced?

The Pentagon's latest official count, provided on Wednesday, listed 1230 US military deaths in the Iraq war. It also listed more than 9300 US troops wounded in action, more than 5000 of whom were too badly injured to return to duty, and nearly 11,500 less than the Stars and Stripes report.


The US military says up to 1600
fighters were killed in Falluja


More than 850 troops were reported to have been wounded in action in Falluja alone.

While Pentagon officials have hinted at the possibility of reducing US troop levels if elections go well and Iraqi security forces prove capable, officials warned not to expect any decline in violence soon.

"We are intent on trying to provide a secure and stable enough situation to be able to conduct nationwide elections in January," said air force Lieutenant-General Lance Smith, the second-most senior officer at US Central Command, responsible for military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia.

"Now, I will not pretend that that's not a challenge at this stage."

Attacks to continue

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier said: "No doubt attacks will continue in the weeks and months ahead, and perhaps intensify as the Iraqi election approaches. I suppose this has to be expected."


At least 850 US soldiers were
wounded in Falluja


Opinion polls have shown the US public has been willing to stomach the continuing casualties in Iraq.

"I think the greater problem, frankly, is going to be within the ranks of the military itself, particular the families," said defence analyst Daniel Goure of the Lexington Institute, citing stress from mounting casualties, lengthy deployments and units being sent back to Iraq not long after going home.

"We are in the process of attempting to reassert control," said Goure said. The Pentagon was initially ill prepared to fight the resistance that arose after President Saddam Hussein was swiftly toppled, he added.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi F_S,

So ole Oil Company shill JR is always saying:

" we have to "get used to" in the name of Freedom and Prosperity "

Sounds just like the BS ole W Bush is always laying on the dumb sheeple.

Big Oil's Bush will go down too, when all this information comes out. W and JR can high five each other in Levinworth, but they will each have some huge fella that calls them Honey intimately.

Bush Freedom and Prosperity means war and their ship will go to the bottom like a lead brick as the truth comes out. Those destined for Hell experience the Rapture of the Deep.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

WOW what a website::::::

The Magnum-Opus Project---Its' knowledge will set you free.
Environmentalist Newsletters--The Vision Into A Kinder And Gentler Time

DOE Watch-Star Watchdog of The DOE and DOD Majestic Nuclear Genies, The Anubis

JP


Nuclear national security, since the times of Truman, has been about how to fool the public using tactics of "deceit and treachery." It is about hiding toxic effects of fluorides important to the strategic materials production for the aluminum industry and the uranium bomb from workers and the public. It is about concealing nuclear testing using indigenous persons used previously in chemical weapons testing in jungle areas. It is about concealing the fact that the Germans invented most of the concepts on stealth planes designed at Area 51. Its about cleaver language to avoid liabilities and prosecution. Its about religion code names and unique insights of past millennia.

[jayreynolds]

Howdy-doo F_S, So ole Oil Compenny shill JR is allus sayin': " we hafta "git used to" in th' name of Freedom an' Prosperity " Soun's jest like th' BS ole W Bush is allus layin' on th' dumb houn'dogle. Trimenjus Oil's Bush will hoof it down too, when all this hyar info'mashun comes out. W an' JR kin high five etch other in Levinwo'th, but they will etch haf some huge fella thet calls them Honey intimately. Bush Freedom an' Prosperity means war an' their ship will hoof it to th' bottom like a lead brick as th' truth comes out. Them destined fo' Hell experience th' Rappure of th' Deep. Bust mah britches! Whut'n tarnashun? Dangit! IMHO, is

You're meds are low, Jimbo, see the nurse ASAP.

[halva]

You guys ARE good for some excercise whenever I need to blow off some good old Texas Whup-ass. Yeeeeeee------haaaaaaaw!

Why is substantial debate on "chemtrails" leaking out into this thread again?

Given that the desideratum is dialogue between climate scientists and chemtrail activists undistorted by noise of the above kind, and given that we have the facilities to pursue it.

Why the relapse into debating with Raynolds?

[halva]

This is off-topic, and the problems of the party-democracy system are not really a social forum issue, but anyway:

VOTING INTEGRITY UNDER ASSAULT IN AMERICA

I would like to thank the Greek Social Forum for giving me the
opportunity to address the 3rd Panhelladic Conference. My name is
Lynn Landes and I am a freelance journalist. For several years I've
written articles about environmental issues. Like many Americans, I
am extremely concerned about how pollution is affecting our health
and the planet. However, the majority of American politicians seem
unconcerned or out-of-touch with this and other important social
issues.

It is not only a frustrating state-of-affairs, but it is also very
perplexing one. Millions of Americans have marched in
demonstrations protesting free trade agreements, U.S. military
aggression, and the theft of the 2000 presidential election.
Guaranteed health care, environmental protection, and a living wage
are all widely supported. Some of our most popular cultural icons
are black, gay, or lesbian. However, our politicians are more
conservative and less diverse than at any time in memory.

It doesn't add up. What's going on? It's important we find out.
After all, if we can't get progressive politicians elected to public
office, much of our efforts at promoting one cause or another, will
be wasted.

Perhaps, the source of the problem is America's corporate-owned news
media. They routinely distort the news, putting a conservative spin
on the important issues of the day. This leaves many Americans
uninformed and confused. Perhaps, that's why conservative
Republicans are winning so many elections. Perhaps, there is a
silent majority who don't march in the streets, but do vote at the
polls.

Or, perhaps, there is a more sinister reason for the Republicans
winning streak. Perhaps elections in America are simply being
rigged.

The presidential election of four years ago forced many Americans,
including myself, to take a hard look at our election process. And
although Republicans had used several strategies to steal that
election, it was the voting machines that caused much of the
trouble. And now, many Americans believe that voting machines were
used to rig this year's election, as well.

I admit that I had never given this issue much thought before.
However, the more I researched it, the more concerned I became.
Over the past two years I have become somewhat of an expert on this
subject. I've written several articles and am often interviewed on
radio talk shows in the U.S..

But, I'm also worried about the rest of the world. I'm very
concerned that America's way of voting is being exported to other
countries. And that is why I am writing to this forum. We all
should be concerned. There are powerful people who want to control
election results around the globe. In order to do that, they must
eliminate meaningful public participation and scrutiny of the voting
process. How? In the following three ways:

First, prohibit the counting of ballots at local precincts. Instead,
transport the ballots to a central counting center. That gives
election officials time to substitute or destroy ballots. In the
recent elections in Afghanistan, ballots were not counted at any of
the 8,000 polling stations, but instead were delivered to 10
counting centers.

Second, before Election Day arrives, allow early or absentee voting.
This also gives election officials time to substitute or destroy
ballots. In America, 30% of all ballots are cast early or by
absentee. The whole state of Oregon votes by mail.

And, third, don't count the ballots by hand; use machines.
Mechanical lever machines, computerized ballot scanners, paperless
touchscreen machines, or even the Internet can be used to process
and tally votes. These machines and technologies are easy to rig
and impossible to safeguard.

The more sophisticated the technology, the easier it is to rig an
entire election. If malfunctions or "glitches" do occur, it is
difficult if not impossible to determine if it was by accident or by
design. Voting machines eliminate meaningful oversight and
accountability. Americans have been using voting machines since
1892. Less than 0.6% of our votes are counted by hand.

What's wrong with voting machines? In a word, everything. Voting
machines introduce concealment to a process that must be
transparent. Voting machines invite complexity to a to a process
that must be simple. Voting machines cause confusion to a process
that must be clear.

Voting machines are an open door to vote fraud and system failure.
Although it doesn't matter in theory if the government or private
companies control the voting machines, in fact, a handful of
corporations dominate the business of counting Americans' votes.
Two corporations, ES&S and Diebold, counted 80% of all votes in this
past presidential election! These companies have strong, well-
documented ties to the Republican Party. So, maybe that's why
Republicans are winning so many elections.

Most of the nations of the world don't use voting machines in their
elections. They wisely use a paper ballot. But, there are
organizations such as the World Bank, the International Monetary
Fund (IMF), and International Foundation for Election Systems
(IFES), that are quietly promoting voting technology around the
world. Already India, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, and parts of
the Netherlands and Belgium are using voting machines in their
elections. Other countries are experimenting with this technology.
Still others have tried it and decided against its use. Thank heaven!

Until a few years ago, most people hadn't given this issue a second
thought. Now, many Americans believe that our elections have been
routinely rigged. If we want our elections to have real integrity,
then we must restore meaningful public participation and oversight
to the voting process. How do we do that? Ditch the voting machines
and say goodbye to early and absentee voting. Simply stated: if we
want every vote to count, then we must count every vote.

Thank you for your kindness and attention.

Lynn Landes
freelance journalist
www.EcoTalk.org

[foot_soldier]

.....Why the relapse into debating with Raynolds?.....
I can't see that there's any "debate" in progress here now or at any time in the past.

As for the integrity of the American voting process I don't know anyone personally who doesn't feel strongly that this process can no longer be trusted.

[foot_soldier]

.....Many countries are forging ahead with substantial wind, solar, and fuel cell projects, while George Bush promotes coal, oil, and nuclear energy. And Americans let him get away with that.....

.....For the peoples of the world, protecting the environment is a question of life and death, not comfort or convenience.....

-Lynn Landis
November 27, 2004
Coal's global goal
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2004/11/27/coals_global_goal/

THE DIRTY big secret about US energy production is that coal is about to play an even larger role. Already more than 50 percent of US electricity comes from plants burning coal, the fossil fuel that emits the greatest amount of the most common greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide. Coal's share in the power picture is projected to spike upward in coming years as utilities turn to coal as an alternative to increasingly scarce natural gas.

The more than 100 new coal plants that, according to a New York Times survey, are up for approval nationwide will be expected to meet up-to-date federal requirements on such pollutants as nitrogen oxide and sulfur dioxide. But unless Congress passes the bipartisan bill sponsored by Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman that curbs global warming by regulating carbon emissions, there is nothing in federal law to force the power companies to limit the carbon dioxide they will pump into the atmosphere.

Lamentably, the United States is further isolating itself on this issue from the rest of the world. With Russia's recent ratification of the Kyoto Protocol on global warming, the treaty will go into effect in less than three months. Nations will begin taking steps to cut back greenhouse gas emissions and trading credits for doing so while the United States goes on a spree of new coal plant production. In the past year, US companies have planned more new coal plants than they did in the previous 12 years.

One organization that is leading a campaign to rally support for the McCain-Lieberman bill -- whose limits on carbon emissions are much milder than Kyoto's -- is Environmental Defense. Its director, Peter Goldmark, spoke convincingly to leaders of Boston's business and investment community last Monday on the scientific consensus behind global warming and the role that carbon dioxide is playing in it. Just one of the effects he cited is reduced grain production in three of the world's breadbasket areas, including the North American plains region.

Goldmark said that if he were speaking anywhere except the United States he would not have to explain the science behind climate change, so universal is acceptance elsewhere of the role of man-made gases. But there continue to be skeptics in the United States, especially in the Bush administration, who believe that action to curb carbon emissions is either unnecessary or unaffordable.

There are also more than 50 global-warming ostriches in the Senate. The last time that body voted on McCain-Lieberman, just 43 senators backed it. Environmental Defense and other backers of carbon limits have their work cut out for them. If they fail and 100 coal plants bloom, the planet's attempt to stop its uncontrolled experiment in climate change will suffer a severe setback.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Debate?

Surely you jest? Pose an oxymoron? Can one debate an info-mercial on the TV? Or just make observations on how overboard the scams and change the channel.

JR (and company) is (are) a traveling infomercial, except one made to harass anyone that dare go against the oil company and Bush agendas. JR is an infomercial, a paid political statement that attacks anyone speaking that global warming is man-made due to big oil and coal. Or attack anyone that reveals there are chemtrail techniques being used to control some of the extreme damage factors due to these reckless energy methods.

Chemtrail methods are used internally by oil company processes to control many of the same pollutants that can be mediated via like uses of metal catalysts in air suspension. One cannot separate the topic of global warming from that of chemtrails, because the very same metal technologies are being employed by the oil companies to reduce SOx / NOx. Even mediate the CO2 and IR heating effect from the oil / coal with seeding effects.

You can't debate infomercials, only change channels or ignore. Sometimes speaking about how rediculous they appear, scammy, vile, untruthful. How they exploit the uninformed to avoid their being sued or pressures toward them from the world community.

One only exposes the scam artists.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

"WOW what a website::::::"

Sometime you should go a little past the front page, if you want a real thrill.

Guess you know how to upset a few crooks, now don't ya? Happy C & P.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Why is substantial debate on "chemtrails" leaking out into this thread again?
Given that the desideratum is dialogue between climate scientists and chemtrail activists undistorted by noise of the above kind, and given that we have the facilities to pursue it.
Why the relapse into debating with Raynolds?

Having trouble keeping your 'bitches' underfoot, Wayne?
Not Deborah, she is firmly saddled and ready for you to ride:

I can't see that there's any "debate" in progress here now or at any time in the past. As for the integrity of the American voting process I don't know anyone personally who doesn't feel strongly that this process can no longer be trusted.

The problem, however, is that you chemmies are really saddled by the weight of lies you carry, which is a burden so heavy it compels you to wring yopur hands and groan, no matter how much you try to deny it. Like I;ve told you so many times before, lies beget more lies, they become habitual, and until you admit culpability and atone for them, they will cry out for evermore.

You can try and deny it, Wayne, but anyone reading this thread needs to go back to your initial post and see that you invited the public for "open and honest debate".
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2953&postcount=1

As far as "footsoldier", who is actually Deborah Stark(you slipped up and called her by name, remember, Wayne?), she has already stated her position in the public domain. She has previously admitted that she co-authored and edited "Chemtrails Over America" in which she stated:

A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide.
http://lookupabove.tripod.com/chemtrailsoveramerica/

Such lies cannot be denied, until, that is, a complete and total recantation and admission takes place, Deborah. Wayne, you have agreed with her statement above many times, so don't try and deny it now.

See, you chemmies are addicted to the lie, it is the 'monkey on your back' that CONTROLS YOU. However, there is a way out, the choice is up to you..........

[jayreynolds]

Golly Gee,

I wonder why the ASTM folks came up with these standard tests for metals in fuel, if there is no metal in fuels? This method is for determining iron (Fe), nickel (Ni), vanadium (V), lead (Pb), copper (Cu), sodium (Na), molybdenum (Mo), manganese (Mn), chromium (Cr), magnesium (Mg), tin (Sn), calcium (Ca), aluminum (Al) and zinc (Zn) in crude petroleum, oils, jet fuels, gas oils, asphalts, and polymers.

Well, Jimbo, crude oil comes from the earth and does have all these elements, perhaps more, when it comes out. As an engineer who specialized in gas turbines, I can tell you that in particular some of these elements are extremely corrosive to the hot section parts, especially sodium potassium, calcium, lead and vanadium. If those elements were in jet fuel, the lot would be considered out-of-spec and rejected.

In general, as you will find, most of these elements are absent in properly refined jet fuels, and are tested multiple times during the manufacturing and distribution chain to assure they aren't present, except as trace amounts, probably less than 1ppm, or undetectable.

Your claim that aluminum would be found in jet fuel in any amount sufficient to act as a remediation,etc. is patently absurd. Metals simply don't belong in jet fuel because they are not compatible with jet fuel and act as contaminants which could bring an airplane down.

Anyways, we'll all be waiting a lifetime I guess for you chemmies to ever get around to admitting you will never bring forward an actual lab analysis of jet fuel, with or without metals, because you already know the answer- THERE ISN'T ANY

[jayreynolds]

Years ago, Deborah, who goes by the handle 'FOOTSOLDIER', wrote the following:
"A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide."

DEBORAH, DO YOU STLL CONTINUE THIS CLAIM OR ARE YOU FINALLY WILLING TO ADMIT IT WAS ALL A COLOSSAL HOAX?????

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

"WOW what a website::::::"

Sometime you should go a little past the front page, if you want a real thrill.

Guess you know how to upset a few crooks, now don't ya? Happy C & P.

IMHO,
is

Yes I do... and I find your info with Foot Soldier very imformative. I read everything...that is how I learn and draw opinion. JR also has valuable counter material that is also useful. I am waiting for both sides to come up with a solution that will in involve both sides!

[gaiacomm]

It was Wayne Hall that started my learning process on Chemtrails. So I give him the credit for my involvement and continued support for this environmental mess we are all in.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

Gaia comments:
"Yes I do... and I find your info with Foot Soldier very imformative. I read everything...that is how I learn and draw opinion."
======
Well do take a close look at the JFK stuff and the LBJ Jewish interests and Texas oil involvement. Things have only gotten more corrupted there. USAEC / DOE is married to the crime families of Texas.



"I am waiting for both sides to come up with a solution that will in involve both sides!"
=====

There will be little involvement of the two sides. Evil and Good don't mix well. Your logic appears faulty there Gaia.

The only new involvment will be the Environmental Crimes Unit at very high levels, as well as very low levels.



"It was Wayne Hall that started my learning process on Chemtrails. So I give him the credit for my involvement and continued support for this environmental mess we are all in."
=====
I hope you mean your support for correctly exposing the Env. mess, and not support to continuation of the cover ups and adding to the bigger disaster formula.

Yes, it is a real mess going well beyond just environment. Goes well into Govts that lie and religions that are worhip of evil.

Good Job turning on the lights for Gaia there Halva, F_S, etc..

Gaia, you know ole W is from politically corrupt Texas, making any connections there?

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Good Job whoever,

"A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide."

=======

Close !!
You must know some of the special forces fellows that know about these operations.
They have the access to the bases and the pilots that do these runs.
DOE rents planes to do these operations.

It is not difficult to find out some of these things happening, you only have to ask the right questions of the right people.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

Gaia comments:
"Yes I do... and I find your info with Foot Soldier very imformative. I read everything...that is how I learn and draw opinion."
======
Well do take a close look at the JFK stuff and the LBJ Jewish interests and Texas oil involvement. Things have only gotten more corrupted there. USAEC / DOE is married to the crime families of Texas.



"I am waiting for both sides to come up with a solution that will in involve both sides!"
=====

There will be little involvement of the two sides. Evil and Good don't mix well. Your logic appears faulty there Gaia.

The only new involvment will be the Environmental Crimes Unit at very high levels, as well as very low levels.



"It was Wayne Hall that started my learning process on Chemtrails. So I give him the credit for my involvement and continued support for this environmental mess we are all in."
=====
I hope you mean your support for correctly exposing the Env. mess, and not support to continuation of the cover ups and adding to the bigger disaster formula.

Yes, it is a real mess going well beyond just environment. Goes well into Govts that lie and religions that are worhip of evil.

Good Job turning on the lights for Gaia there Halva, F_S, etc..

Gaia, you know ole W is from politically corrupt Texas, making any connections there?

IMHO,
is


Your comments will be noted. I have no debate for your opinions,,,,they are yours and I will respect that... I am however a lone wolf! Still thristy for truth!

[jayreynolds]

Years ago, Deborah, who goes by the handle 'FOOTSOLDIER', wrote the following:
"A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide."

DEBORAH, DO YOU STLL CONTINUE THIS CLAIM OR ARE YOU FINALLY WILLING TO ADMIT IT WAS ALL A COLOSSAL HOAX?????

SEE WHAT YOUR NAME IS NOW ASSOCIATED WITH DEBORAH???

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22deborah%22+hoax&btnG=Search

[jayreynolds]

Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide.
You must know some of the special forces fellows that know about these operations.
They have the access to the bases and the pilots that do these runs.
DOE rents planes to do these operations. It is not difficult to find out some of these things happening, you only have to ask the right questions of the right people.

Jimbo, be sure to show us some proof of this.
Airplanes have N-numbers, logbooks, pilots, all your chemmie friends have been waiting years for a 'whistleblower' like you to come out with ANYTHING AMOUNTING TO PROOF.

Why won't you give it to them?????

Come to think of it, after all you claim to know, NOT providing proof sort of makes it sound like you are either engaging in:
- misinformation
-covering something up
-withholding information
-or are just another wacko

So which is it, Jimbo????

Not holding my breath..........
I think we'll be waiting a long time........

[whitemajikman]

Yes I do... and I find your info with Foot Soldier very imformative. I read everything...that is how I learn and draw opinion. JR also has valuable counter material that is also useful. I am waiting for both sides to come up with a solution that will in involve both sides!


There is only one solution that can involve both sides.......

while both sides have relevant Information,The chemmie side is marred by 5 years of conspiracy , innuendo,and blind speculation........

The cause of Contrails/Chemtrails has evolved every few months from being everything from population control to a solar shield.......

It has been buried under so much conspiracy theory that doing a proper scientific Investigation by using Info that the Chemmies have accumulated is now Impossible and Foolhardy.

If The chemmies would have listened to J.R and many others years ago the case of Chemtrails would already be solved.......

What the Chemmies need to do is start from Scratch........

And Allow J.R and others Like him to be their Debunkers ,and work together in clearing this matter up.......


While J.R. has been consistent in his debunking of Chemtrails over the years ,The chemmies have flip-flopped on numerous occasions......

There have been many supposed "Insiders" over the years who have played the chemmies for fools,The reason that the Chemmies are fooled so easily is because of their need for "VALIDATION".

Only through co-operation and science can This Phenomena be Validated or Rejected.......

But of course both have there consequences.......

But even more so if the Phenomena were to be rejected.......

Because it would mean an end to sites like ChemtrailCentral and their ilk..........

And even worse would be the fact that the Chemmies would have to swallow their pride and admit defeat............

And in some cases would lead to monetary loss,on a grand scale.

J.R. has said repeatedly through out the years Said that if you could prove to him that there is indeed a widescale program of spraying that he would be the chemmies biggest advocate.......And I believe He is totally serious about this statement.......

The problem isn't with Jay its with the chemmies who have a lot to lose if this phenomena is a hoax .

that is where the real "CONSPIRACY " lies.............

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Readers and Posters:

Since JR and company will not go away may I suggest that we all Ignore list him and his crew and continue unaffected by his rantings and insults. Let him post but just give him the Hand!

So with that said continue to post vital and informative data so we all can learn.

Good-Bye JR and company....and to you to Karen!


Oh yes and JR's bitch Whitemajikman also needs to be ignored!

[whitemajikman]

Readers and Posters:

Since JR and company will not go away may I suggest that we all Ignore list him and his crew and continue unaffected by his rantings and insults. Let him post but just give him the Hand!

So with that said continue to post vital and informative data so we all can learn.

Good-Bye JR and company....and to you to Karen!


Oh yes and JR's bitch Whitemajikman also needs to be ignored!

Thats Right GaiaCON I forgot you don't like Debate.

Because you have nothing to offer but,
Deception....................

Well Ignore all you wish ,but be forewarned............

WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON.

For every article you post here is another out there that will prove you wrong.....

Thats why Articles have no real substance or truth,they are so easily countered.....

Just like you have been countered and cornered on many occasions.

PEACE!

WMM

[foot_soldier]

Years ago, Deborah Stark, who goes by the handle 'FOOTSOLDIER', wrote the following:
"A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide."

DEBORAH STARK, DO YOU STLL CONTINUE THIS CLAIM OR ARE YOU FINALLY WILLING TO ADMIT IT WAS ALL A COLOSSAL HOAX?????
Let's keep this simple since this is about the fifth time we've been through this. I'm not going to refute that "claim" because those are not my words. As you well know, Reynolds.

I copy-edited the report from which the above-excerpted was extracted. I submitted one personal comment that amounted to a small paragraph on the stratospheric ozone crisis, a comment which I have seen no reason to modify or retract in the four years that have transpired since then.

So keep regurgitating the same old bullshit, Reynolds. No one cares, least of all me. The people who matter know exactly where I'm coming from, even if we don't agree on every facet of this very complex situation.

[halva]

Readers and Posters:

Since JR and company will not go away may I suggest that we all Ignore list him and his crew and continue unaffected by his rantings and insults. Let him post but just give him the Hand!

So with that said continue to post vital and informative data so we all can learn.

Good-Bye JR and company....and to you to Karen!


Oh yes and JR's bitch Whitemajikman also needs to be ignored!

Finally I think I second this, and I will do the same.

I am disappointed to see Footsoldier descending into arguing with him again.

[foot_soldier]

.....I am disappointed to see Footsoldier descending into arguing with him again.....
I'm descending into no such thing.

I reserve the right to continue speaking for myself, which in this case will be in as few words as possible in order to keep input of factual information on this thread from being repeatedly derailed by the usual reliable sources of malevolent bullshit.

[halva]

Well, if you're going to keep reading what he says, perhaps you can tell me if I'm missing anything. Ditto with Jim, who says he is learning things from Raynolds.

[gaiacomm]

Finally I think I second this, and I will do the same.

I am disappointed to see Footsoldier descending into arguing with him again.


Yes, That seems to be the only way to fight ignorance and fear! As for foot-soldier well foot-soldier will come around in due time. It is so simple to just ignore and move forward with thought. With that said and the winds are at are backs I will standbye and read and learn what you all post that will help pull us from darkness and remove the lies with truth!

[gaiacomm]

I'm descending into no such thing.

I reserve the right to continue speaking for myself, which in this case will be in as few words as possible in order to keep input of factual information on this thread from being repeatedly derailed by the usual reliable sources of malevolent bullshit.


You will no the time as I did.

[whitemajikman]

The Cato Review of Business & Government


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Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
Richard S. Lindzen
Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.



Most of the literate world today regards "global warming'' as both real and dangerous. Indeed, the diplomatic activity concerning warming might lead one to believe that it is the major crisis confronting mankind. The June 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, focused on international agreements to deal with that threat, and the heads of state from dozens of countries attended. I must state at the outset, that, as a scientist, I can find no substantive basis for the warming scenarios being popularly described. Moreover, according to many studies I have read by economists, agronomists, and hydrologists, there would be little difficulty adapting to such warming if it were to occur. Such was also the conclusion of the recent National Research Council's report on adapting to global change. Many aspects of the catastrophic scenario have already been largely discounted by the scientific community. For example, fears of massive sea-level increases accompanied many of the early discussions of global warming, but those estimates have been steadily reduced by orders of magnitude, and now it is widely agreed that even the potential contribution of warming to sea-level rise would be swamped by other more important factors.

To show why I assert that there is no substantive basis for predictions of sizeable global warming due to observed increases in minor greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane, and chlorofluorocarbons, I shall briefly review the science associated with those predictions.

Summary of Scientific Issues

Before even considering "greenhouse theory,'' it may be helpful to begin with the issue that is almost always taken as a given--that carbon dioxide will inevitably increase to values double and even quadruple present values. Evidence from the analysis of ice cores and after 1958 from direct atmospheric sampling shows that the amount of carbon dioxide in the air has been increasing since 1800. Before 1800 the density was about 275 parts per million by volume. Today it is about 355 parts per million by volume. The increase is generally believed to be due to the combination of increased burning of fossil fuels and before 1905 to deforestation. The total source is estimated to have been increasing exponentially at least until 1973. From 1973 until 1990 the rate of increase has been much slower, however. About half the production of carbon dioxide has appeared in the atmosphere.

Predicting what will happen to carbon dioxide over the next century is a rather uncertain matter. By assuming a shift toward the increased use of coal, rapid advances in the third world's standard of living, large population increases, and a reduction in nuclear and other nonfossil fuels, one can generate an emissions scenario that will lead to a doubling of carbon dioxide by 2030--if one uses a particular model for the chemical response to carbon dioxide emissions. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Working Group I's model referred to that as the "business as usual'' scenario. As it turns out, the chemical model used was inconsistent with the past century's record; it would have predicted that we would already have about 400 parts per million by volume. An improved model developed at the Max Planck Institute in Hamburg shows that even the "business as usual'' scenario does not double carbon dioxide by the year 2100. It seems unlikely moreover that the indefinite future of energy belongs to coal. I also find it difficult to believe that technology will not lead to improved nuclear reactors within fifty years.

Nevertheless, we have already seen a significant increase in carbon dioxide that has been accompanied by increases in other minor greenhouse gases such as methane and chlorofluorocarbons. Indeed, in terms of greenhouse potential, we have had the equivalent of a 50 percent increase in carbon dioxide over the past century. The effects of those increases are certainly worth studying--quite independent of any uncertain future scenarios.

The Greenhouse Effect.

The crude idea in the common popular presentation of the greenhouse effect is that the atmosphere is transparent to sunlight (apart from the very significant reflectivity of both clouds and the surface), which heats the Earth's surface. The surface offsets that heating by radiating in the infrared. The infrared radiation increases with increasing surface temperature, and the temperature adjusts until balance is achieved. If the atmosphere were also transparent to infrared radiation, the infrared radiation produced by an average surface temperature of minus eighteen degrees centigrade would balance the incoming solar radiation (less that amount reflected back to space by clouds). The atmosphere is not transparent in the infrared, however. So the Earth must heat up somewhat more to deliver the same flux of infrared radiation to space. That is what is called the greenhouse effect.

The fact that the Earth's average surface temperature is fifteen degrees centigrade rather than minus eighteen degrees centigrade is attributed to that effect. The main absorbers of infrared in the atmosphere are water vapor and clouds. Even if all other greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide and methane) were to disappear, we would still be left with over 98 percent of the current greenhouse effect. Nevertheless, it is presumed that increases in carbon dioxide and other minor greenhouse gases will lead to significant increases in temperature. As we have seen, carbon dioxide is increasing. So are other minor greenhouse gases. A widely held but questionable contention is that those increases will continue along the path they have followed for the past century.

The simple picture of the greenhouse mechanism is seriously oversimplified. Many of us were taught in elementary school that heat is transported by radiation, convection, and conduction. The above representation only refers to radiative transfer. As it turns out, if there were only radiative heat transfer, the greenhouse effect would warm the Earth to about seventy-seven degrees centigrade rather than to fifteen degrees centigrade. In fact, the greenhouse effect is only about 25 percent of what it would be in a pure radiative situation. The reason for this is the presence of convection (heat transport by air motions), which bypasses much of the radiative absorption.

What is really going on is schematically illustrated in Figure 1. The surface of the Earth is cooled in large measure by air currents (in various forms including deep clouds) that carry heat upward and poleward. One consequence of this picture is that it is the greenhouse gases well above the Earth's surface that are of primary importance in determining the temperature of the Earth. That is especially important for water vapor, whose density decreases by about a factor of 1,000 between the surface and ten kilometers above the surface. Another consequence is that one cannot even calculate the temperature of the Earth without models that accurately reproduce the motions of the atmosphere. Indeed, present models have large errors here--on the order of 50 percent. Not surprisingly, those models are unable to calculate correctly either the present average temperature of the Earth or the temperature ranges from the equator to the poles. Rather, the models are adjusted or "tuned'' to get those quantities approximately right.

It is still of interest to ask what we would expect a doubling of carbon dioxide to do. A large number of calculations show that if this is all that happened, we might expect a warming of from .5 to 1.2 degrees centigrade. The general consensus is that such warming would present few, if any, problems. But even that prediction is subject to some uncertainty because of the complicated way the greenhouse effect operates. More important, the climate is a complex system where it is impossible for all other internal factors to remain constant. In present models those other factors amplify the effects of increasing carbon dioxide and lead to predictions of warming in the neighborhood of four to five degrees centigrade. Internal processes within the climate system that change in response to warming in such a manner as to amplify the response are known as positive feedbacks. Internal processes that diminish the response are known as negative feedbacks. The most important positive feedback in current models is due to water vapor. In all current models upper tropospheric (five to twelve kilometers) water vapor--the major greenhouse gas--increases as surface temperatures increase. Without that feedback, no current model would predict warming in excess of 1.7 degrees centigrade--regardless of any other factors. Unfortunately, the way current models handle factors such as clouds and water vapor is disturbingly arbitrary. In many instances the underlying physics is simply not known. In other instances there are identifiable errors. Even computational errors play a major role. Indeed, there is compelling evidence for all the known feedback factors to actually be negative. In that case, we would expect the warming response to carbon dioxide doubling alone to be diminished.


http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

WMM

[foot_soldier]

The Cato Review of Business & Government
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
Richard S. Lindzen
Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
The above-referenced article was published by the Cato Institute almost 13 years ago in Volume 15, No. 2 of Regulation Magazine, Spring 1992.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2.html

The Cato Institute is a conservative think tank:
http://www.accuracy.org/articles/cato.htm

[whitemajikman]

Now we are getting somewhere.......

whom does one believe when almost all sources no matter what the affiliation are politically motivated in some way or form.

Now ,Foot Soldier All I want is to Debate the validity of your sources and everybody elses including mine.

this thread is exactly what is going on out there Globally.

Bickering,Assumptions,observations and more bickering........

This Issue has turned Government against Government.

Scientist against Scientist.

Political affiliation against Political affiliation.

Neighbor against Neighbor.

Global Warming is not a myth nor is it a direct cause of man's dependance on fossil fuels.

The severity of the problem is obvious , The solutions non-existent.

Because the solutions create more problems not just environmentally but monetarily and socially.

A good example is the seven hundred and fifty million cars that now are in use around the world.

Switching Fuel sources is very easy to say and almost Impossible to implement due to everybody having a different economic reality.

Also could the average citizen of any country afford to switch from carbon based fuels......?

Could their respective governments........?

What would be the impact socially.......?

Jim Phelps says he wants to close all nuclear power plants due to their enormous health risks which are a reality I have seen first hand at chernobyl.

But what is the implications to the public by not having a reliable power source that is affordable.?how many innocent people die everyday due to lack of Reliable power in third world countries.?

How many of those countries rely on the oil and gas industry to better their economies and their citizens lives.

Many of you here have posted Articles regarding Arctic Melting and the Impact on the Inuit.

The Inuit have prospered more than ever due to Oil and Gas Exploration.

It is their number one source of Income,and has greatly improved their lifestyles.

Environmentalist's like to talk about the Environmental Impacts which threaten all of us but never take into consideration what Intervention would mean beyond the scope of Environmentalism.

I am not saying that we should not look for other VIABLE sources of energy because we should and are.

But What I am saying is that Solutions to the Global Warming problem are not in our Immediate futures.

The Technology to eliminate the use of fossil fuels is just not there.......

And even when there is a breakthrough,The Cost of Implementing the Change over could and would Bankrupt most of the world Economy.

Creating greater chaos than what already exist's.

Not to mention creating a two-tiered system based on who will be able to afford and who won't.

In the end for all you conspiracy people you will be trading in one corrupt system for another.

Because Technology costs .......

and the same people who financed, developed and implemented big oil are the very same people whom are financing the search for new energy solutions........

WMM

[foot_soldier]

Whitemajikman wrote:
.....Now we are getting somewhere.......

whom does one believe when almost all sources no matter what the affiliation are politically motivated in some way or form.

Now ,Foot Soldier All I want is to Debate the validity of your sources and everybody elses including mine.....
You raise some valid points.

Too bad you can't seem to manage refraining from being such a patronizing little putz. Most people aren't interested in communicating with someone for whom they are clearly nothing but objects of contempt. I can't say as I blame them.

And as for "whom does one believe" - well since this issue is so heavily politicized I would say one's best bet would be to follow the science and pay attention to one's own and others' direct observations.

[halva]

Seconded. Whitemajikman I don't (can't) read what you are posting here unless someone I have not ignore-listed quotes you.

There are a number of hierarchies in this world and you cannot always raise your position in any of them through violence, whether physical or psychological.

That is what your chosen president keeps telling the world. The only mistake he makes is his delusion that he is at the summit of the only hierarchy that exists, or is going to exist.

Whitemajikman you are never going to exist for me, so get used to it and find other ways of inserting yourself into the world's changing realities.

[whitemajikman]

Seconded. Whitemajikman I don't read what you are posting here unless someone I have not ignore-listed quotes you.

There are a number of hierarchies in this world and you cannot always raise your position in any of them through violence, whether physical or psychological.

That is what your chosen president keeps telling the world. The only mistake he makes is his delusion that he is at the summit of the only hierarchy that exists, or is going to exist.

Whitemajikman you are never going to exist for me, so get used to it and find other ways of inserting yourself into the world's changing realities.

There you go again Wayne thinking that the world revolves around you and that your Importance is more than it really is.......

You can deny my existence until the cows come home,that is your choice.

BUT

the reality is that I do exist,and I am damn good at it............

You would be wise to not write me off so easily........

I have not completely written you off yet,the problem is that you are going about this all the wrong way,and are focused on the wrong things instead of what is in front of you.

Jay has been trying to tell you this from day one.

WMM

[jayreynolds]

Years ago, Deborah xxxxx, who goes by the handle 'FOOTSOLDIER', wrote the following:
"A mixture of barium salt, aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental United States at lower altitudes (compared to the aluminum, ozone effort aerosol at much higher altitudes). Selected commercial airliners have been modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices. Aircraft emission of aerosol chemical trails is being consistently reported in several other countries worldwide."

DEBORAH, DO YOU STLL CONTINUE THIS CLAIM OR ARE YOU FINALLY WILLING TO ADMIT IT WAS ALL A COLOSSAL HOAX?????



[color=green]Let's keep this simple since this is about the fifth time we've been through this. I'm not going to refute that "claim" because those are not my words. As you well know, Reynolds.

I copy-edited the report from which the above-excerpted was extracted. I submitted one personal comment that amounted to a small paragraph on the stratospheric ozone crisis, a comment which I have seen no reason to modify or retract in the four years that have transpired since then.

Well, you can try to disclaim any responsibility for it, but then again, are we simply going to take your word for it? Is anyone else going to take responsibility? The fact of the matter is that according to standard job descriptions, "copy editors" are NOT just proofreaders, their mandate also includes keeping an eye out for libel (defamatory untruths that could lead to lawsuits) and errors of fact.

By now, you know damn well that the facts of the text you have just finally admitted to editing are false. Correct the matter, like a good copy-editor should, Deborah.

EVERYONE will be better off for it.

That includes you, Wayne, Sore throat, A.C. Griffith, Carnicom, Thermit, and all the rest.
Failing that, it looks like they have hung you out to dry, letting you take all the heat. What sort of men are they? Do you think you owe them something, as they apparently do for you?

No, you don't owe them a damn thing, what have they ever done FOR YOU, except left you standing there alone to take responsibility for THEIR LIES???

[jayreynolds]

Wayne, everybody knows you have not, nor will you ever, ignore anyone or anything said on this thread. That will be your lot in life until you disavow the "chemtrails" hoax and any support for it WHATSOEVER.

[foot_soldier]

Reynolds:

Fuck Off.

[halva]

Ignore-list him, Deborah. It is undignified losing your temper like this.

[gaiacomm]

Originally Posted by gaiacomm
Readers and Posters:

Since JR and company will not go away may I suggest that we all Ignore list him and his crew and continue unaffected by his rantings and insults. Let him post but just give him the Hand!

So with that said continue to post vital and informative data so we all can learn.

Good-Bye JR and company....and to you to Karen!


Oh yes and JR's bitch Whitemajikman also needs to be ignored!

[gaiacomm]

Mass Graves of US Marines:

http://www.jihadunspun.net/intheatre_external.php?article=100724&list=/home.php&

[halva]

Jim, if Deborah ignore-lists Raynolds this will only leave you to tell us if he says anything of interest.

So Raynolds you will have to learn to be civil to Jim Phelps because you will have no other channel of communication with us.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva: No problem with watching. I doubt there will be anything other than evidence of a man that cannot serve two masters. Big oil is the master that JR constantly either pleads for, or intiminates and threatens everyone to think his master's way. JR cut his teeth on oil working for the Jewish Hess oil out of New York, land of Rockefeller oil.

Big Oil's JR is on this list starting at like 6-7 am EDST and checks in every two hours or so. Things must be getting really hot down in Texas, as the issues get more exposure. I think the energy industry has failed to tap an abundant source of Hot Air in Texas. We can run a couple dozen aircraft carriers off JR alone.

You will not doubt hear some of my speaking of his lies and distortions. Like the one that the metal catalysist techniques raise CO2 emissions. The metal catalysis methods do raise the CO2 generation in the refinerly process by a whopping 0.1 %, while taking the sulfur content from 500 ppm to 1 ppm typically. The cost benefit alalysis is well in favor of metal catalysist methods. Yet, ole JR likes to do his Big Oil infomercials to mislead all the environmentalists that this is a huge deal since it increases CO2. JR's mastery of distortion and misleading continues. Just as all pigs are given to grunt.

F_S: While you hit one item on the recent listing that is connected to the Bush/GOP cover story think tank (CATO---and Sloan fellow), do keep in mind that Sloan was the president of General Motors. GM ties into the Dupont Ethyl company and the leaded gasoline. GM also ties into the Freon invention and GM cars were the largest leakers of Freon.

Sloan is also directly associated with places like Sloan-Kettering in NY. Kettering is the group that covered up both the toxic effects of fluorides and lead in Cincinnatti. Sloan-Kettering was the first of the health groups to become part of the profit system for the "War on Cancer." All these oil and chemical types knew that in order to win the War on Communism they would have to let industries take huge liberties to screw up the public's health. All these types are at fault for the cancer pandemics, immune health pandemics, and even the CO2 and global warming effects. In New York it was tied highly to Rockefeller medical system and protection of his oil company.

As the War on Cancer became huge in the Nixon adm., Nixon went down to visit New Orleans and one of the leading Southern Cancer types named Alton Ochsner. Then came the Ft. Dietrich conversion into the National Cancer Institute. Oscher was hugely anti-Communist and a huge friend to the Texas oil elites of Dallas, who bought him nice new Caddilacs and funded his Cancer centers. Cancer centers and political dogma orginated there to protect the oil companies, DuPont, and industrial polluters from being hit with huge lawsuits, all in the name of the War on Communism. These deals finially got crooked Nixon into the WH.

All these Dallas oil types, LBJ and his Jewish lobby, etc., are connected to the hit on JFK.

"Jacobs Riddle" oil labryth/atlas and "Magic Marker" masonic blot out religion facts like atlas are part of this system of corruption.

The monitoring of this oil connected bunch that stalk all the global warming and chemtrail activism types on multiple lists with their malicious hate words will continue.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Sources within the scientific community loyal to science have exposed the truth that Iran has developed a Nuclear weapon and a lauch system capable of long-range targets. The deflection agreement that says that they have ceased to the UN and USA is just that. Iran feels that it has the right to WMD, as does any other nation. They of course will change the geo-political rules once they have a system ready for display. They most likely will detonate a small test in the desert to prove that they have it. Now Korea, Iran and others will join forces with Russia and China to challenge the authority of the US and Israel and any other allies that wish to side with the Bush Administration. The reality is that even with economic sanctions against Iran it will not deter them from their primary objective to be the second Islamic nation to have Nuclear weapons. The fact is that Iran is stalling for time to better position itself for later results. It will soon be in a position to negotiate better within the community and maintain its own strength. The Bush Administration once again will miss the mark and place itself once again in the center and target for possible attack.

[halva]

Halva: No problem with watching. I doubt there will be anything other than evidence of a man that cannot serve two masters.

Thanks, Jim.

What is the other master that Raynolds tries to serve, but proves unable to?

[halva]

Sources within the scientific community loyal to science have exposed the truth that Iran has developed a Nuclear weapon and a lauch system capable of long-range targets. The deflection agreement that says that they have ceased to the UN and USA is just that. Iran feels that it has the right to WMD, as does any other nation. They of course will change the geo-political rules once they have a system ready for display. They most likely will detonate a small test in the desert to prove that they have it. Now Korea, Iran and others will join forces with Russia and China to challenge the authority of the US and Israel and any other allies that wish to side with the Bush Administration. The reality is that even with economic sanctions against Iran it will not deter them from their primary objective to be the second Islamic nation to have Nuclear weapons. The fact is that Iran is stalling for time to better position itself for later results. It will soon be in a position to negotiate better within the community and maintain its own strength. The Bush Administration once again will miss the mark and place itself once again in the center and target for possible attack.

Is this true? Or is it pre-Iraq-war style bullshit, only focused on a different target now?

If it is true, who is pushing Iran into this loser's game?

I have indicated that I favour an American monopoly on nuclear weapons.

It is the last thing the United States government wants.

They don't want to be the only "baddies".

The United States has a consistent record of pushing other countries into being nuclear weapons states.

Of course, they are not the only ones doing it. Once pushed into the game, the other players develop agendas of their own. The French helped the Israelis. The Israelis helped the Indians. The Chinese helped the Pakistanis.

Only the Soviets tried, for a while, not to "help" anyone else to cut their own throat.

But they had already made their fatal mistake in developing nuclear weapons themselves.

Something they were largely pushed into by Britain or the United States or both.

Like Hitler, Stalin was no particular enthusiast for nuclear weapons. But he was not single- mindedly enough against them to stop the process, and his successor was a nuclear- weapons maniac.

So yes, Gaiacomm, are you telling the truth about Iran? Are you sure?

[gaiacomm]

Is this true? Or is it pre-Iraq-war style bullshit, only focused on a different target now?

If it is true, who is pushing Iran into this loser's game?

I have indicated that I favour an American monopoly on nuclear weapons.

It is the last thing the United States government wants.

They don't want to be the only "baddies".

The United States has a consistent record of pushing other countries into being nuclear weapons states.

Of course, they are not the only ones doing it. Once pushed into the game, the other players develop agendas of their own. The French helped the Israelis. The Israelis helped the Indians. The Chinese helped the Pakistanis.

Only the Soviets tried, for a while, not to "help" anyone else to cut their own throat.

But they had already made their fatal mistake in developing nuclear weapons themselves.

Something they were largely pushed into by Britain or the United States or both.

Like Hitler, Stalin was no particular enthusiast for nuclear weapons. But he was not single- mindedly enough against them to stop the process, and his successor was a nuclear- weapons maniac.

So yes, Gaiacomm, are you telling the truth about Iran? Are you sure?


Yes, I am...its unfortunate but it so!

[gaiacomm]

Iran will not use their nuclear capability as of now due to Islamic restrictions but they will not hesitate to flex their authority to make a point if contested. The US Administration will of course challenge this but will prove futile. There are plans within
Groups of Nations that disapprove of the current Bush Administration policy and will do whatever it takes to upset the balance of power even if it means creating a nuclear threat and or launch to targets. Brazil will join the forces to surround the USA into a no win scenario which will force a decision to be made by the US to decide its fate! China, Russia, N. Korea and even Pakistan will all challenge the authority once the codes are in place!

The current Bush Administration has overstepped its welcome into countries and has lost control of its primary objective to spread freedom and democracy to nations that ask for it not imposed by some other country. It has raped too many countries to go without punishment and so it shall be that way!

[halva]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/10290272.htm?1c

Summary: Basics of climate change, pacts

Associated Press


A brief look at elements of climate change and the international agreements to deal with it:

CARBON DIOXIDE

The major heat-trapping "greenhouse gas," its concentrations rose from 280 parts per million before the coal-burning industrial age, to 315 in the mid-1950s, to 330 in the 1970s, to a record seasonal peak of 379 last March.

TEMPERATURES

Ground stations recorded an average rise globally of about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the 20th century. NASA satellite readings showed an average increase of 0.77 degrees between 1981 and 1998.

OCEANS

Sea levels rise because water expands as it grows warmer and because of runoff of melting ice from continents. Over the past decade, oceans have risen at an accelerated rate of one-tenth of an inch per year.

U.N. FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE

Taking effect in 1994, now ratified by 194 nations, including the United States, this treaty established the objective of stabilizing greenhouse-gas emissions.

KYOTO PROTOCOL

To take effect Feb. 16, 2005, ratified by 129 nations, this added concrete commitments to the treaty. Thirty industrial nations are legally bound to meet individual targets to limit or reduce emissions. The United States and Australia have not ratified the protocol and therefore are not obligated to make reductions.

[halva]

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3820741

Beckett Warns of Climate Change Dangers

By Amanda Brown, PA Environment Correspondent


If climate change is left unchecked, coastal erosion and severe storms could hit the east coast of England along with a temperature rise of 3C (37F) by the end of the century, a Cabinet Minister warned tonight.

Environment Secretary Margaret Beckett told a conference in Buxton, Derbyshire that climate change was already affecting and would continue to affect everyone.

Underlining the findings of a recently updated report, The Potential Impacts Of Climate Change In The East Midlands, Mrs Beckett warned that the region could expect to see:

Increased temperatures, evaporation and changing rainfall patterns, which will mean less water is available from the River Trent and Derwent Valley reservoir system.

The potential loss of the most south-easterly raised peat bogs in the UK and the Peak District.

The loss of coastal habitats due to erosion, including mud flats used by wading birds on the east coast.

The increased likelihood of summer droughts, which will lead to increased demand for irrigation for the region’s salad potatoes, herbs and vegetable crops.

Mrs Beckett told local government representatives they had a major role to play in enabling the UK to meet its national targets for reducing emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.

She urged local councils to sign up to the Nottingham Declaration on Climate Change, which requires local authorities to work with the community to develop an action plan to tackle climate change locally.

[jayreynolds]

Well, Jimbo, here we are, it's Monday evening. Did you get those jet fuel samples sent to the lab like you promised?

When are yopu going to show us the proof about DOE renting the planes to make "chemtrails", remember, you said it wouldn't be difficult. So just when do you plan on telling all your chem-buddies the dates and N-numbers for these planes so that the logbooks can be subpoenaed and the pilots questioned?

Jimbo, you've made an awful lot of statements which make it sound like you are a whistleblower, but so far you jhave just been blowing smoke up your fellow chemmies asses.
The longer you blow the more it seems that you are just full of wind.

BTW, your research stinks, Leon Hess went into business during the depression, driving his own oil delivery truck in New Jersey. The truck is now restored and kept down in St. Croix, at the refinery. He was a good Jewish boy born of immigrant parents, not some bloodline crap like your chemcult buddies think. I know he was a good man because I saw how he did business and how he helped his country and other people.

Perhaps you might have wondered where the expression "red ball express" came from?
Leon Hess was Patton's supply and logistics man in WWII. He kept up with Patton's need for fuel and supplies in an operation never likely to be repeated. Hess inspired his drivers, who were mostly black men, and helped our army win. His operation was called "Red Ball", look it up, dumbass.

So don't go on with your vicious racist attacks on people whom you've never known, you sick son of a bitch. From the pictures I've seen, you look about 1/2 jew anyways.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well, JR the name is Mr. Is or Sir "Is." No other substitutes.

Yes, I found lots of data on chemtrails from jets, all those studies on sulfur from Pratt and Whitney (GE's competitor--makers of the black bird engines), all those studies on high levels of S in jet fuel, all those SOx and NOx from jet fuel chemtrails that cause all kinds of metals problems. Huge metals problems.

So, all that stuff you call just water vapor is really lots of acids, acid rain. Chemtrails--not water vapor.

And it sets up huge levels of aluminum in the environment. Huge levels well beyond the cloud seeding trick effects. Levels that kill trees, cause life extinctions in lakes and streams, and levels that screw up human health.

Is it this Alzheimers that you attempt to suffer from in discussions on chemtrails from jet fuels? Or are you just concealing the huge damage factors your oil buddies cause to the ecosystem and humans?

IMHO,
is

====
http://pao.cnmoc.navy.mil/Educate/Neptune/quest/general/acidrain.htm

Acid Rain
The atmosphere is like an enormous chemist's beaker - a vessel where gases mix, mingle, and react, often turning into poisonous substances capable of returning to earth as rain or snow. Acid rain has been blamed for the "death" of several lakes and rivers in North America and may be responsible for world-wide forest depletion as well.

Each day, thousands of tons of sulfur and nitrogen oxides are pumped into the air by fossil fuel burning plants and automobile exhaust systems. Sunlight converts these gases into sulfuric and nitric acids which then are absorbed by the water particles in clouds. Mixed with rain and snow, they fall back to earth, usually hundreds of miles from the original source of the pollution.

The term acid rain is somewhat misleading. In addition to the "wet" substances of rain, snow, and fog, dry particles of sulfur and nitrogen oxides also fall and are absorbed by plants and soil. These particles, known as acid deposition, turn acidic when mixed with surface moisture.

A substance's pH factor, a figure on a scale of 0 - 14, determines a substance's acidity. A pH value of 7 is average. A figure less than 7 indicates higher acidity, more than 7 greater alkilinity. Rainfall with a pH lower than 5.6 is considered abnormally acidic.

Acid rain releases aluminum from soil into the rivers and lakes restricting the growth of aquatic plant roots. Aluminum also clogs the gills of aquatic animals, attacks calcium in their bodies, and causes life-threatening deformities in their young.

As plants, insects, fish, amphibians and reptiles disappear, the structure of the lake's ecosystem weakens and collapses. When the lake is completely unable to support life, mammals and birds which rely on the lake as a food source become endangered. Sadly, "dead" lakes and streams often appear clear and beautiful.

Some scientists think that acid rain affects forest growth by weakening trees so that they are less likely to survive droughts, insect attacks, diseases, or storm damage.

Natural habitats are not the only ones endangered. Man-made office buildings, houses, and automobiles also erode due to repeated soakings of acid rain.

Several government agencies are currently investigating acid rain. They are expected to recommend technology which will clean up sulfur emissions made by factories.

====
http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/msc/as/acidfaq.html

Q3.49 What causes acid deposition?

Acid deposition - commonly called acid rain - is caused by emissions of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Although natural sources of sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides do exist, more than 90% of the sulphur and 95% of the nitrogen emissions occurring in eastern North America are of human origin. These primary air pollutants arise from the use of coal in the production of electricity, from base-metal smelting, and from fuel combustion in vehicles. Once released into the atmosphere, they can be converted chemically into such secondary pollutants as nitric acid and sulfuric acid, both of which dissolve easily in water. The resulting acidic water droplets can be carried long distances by prevailing winds, returning to Earth as acid rain, snow, or fog.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.50 Is acid deposition always wet?

No. The acids can be transformed chemically into sulphur dioxide gas or into sulphur and nitrogen salts. In this form they are deposited 'dry', causing the same damage as when they land dissolved in rain or snow. In this form they can also do internal damage to plants as they are taken up from the soil.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
About 40% of nitrogen oxides come from transportation (cars, trucks, buses, trains), about 25% from thermoelectric generating stations, and the balance from other industrial, commercial, and residential combustion processes.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.56 How does acid deposition affect terrestrial plant life?

Both natural vegetation and crops can be affected.

It can alter the protective waxy surface of leaves, lowering disease resistance.
It may inhibit plant germination and reproduction.
It accelerates soil weathering and removal of nutrients.
It makes some toxic elements, such as aluminum, more soluble. High aluminum concentrations in soil can prevent the uptake and use of nutrients by plants.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.57 How does acid deposition affect animal life?

The effects on terrestrial wildlife are hard to assess. As a result of pollution-induced alteration of habitat or food resources, acid deposition may cause population decline through stress (because of decreases in available resources) and lower reproductive success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.58 What are the socioeconomic consequences of acidification?

Lower productivity in fisheries, forestry, and agriculture translates to lower profits and fewer jobs for some of Canada's important industries.
Acid deposition causes accelerated corrosion, fracturing, and discoloration of buildings, structures, and monuments.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.59 How does acid deposition affect human health?

We eat food, drink water, and breathe air that has come in contact with acid deposition.
Canadian and U.S. studies indicate that there is a link between this pollution and respirator problems in sensitive populations such as children and asthmatics.
Acid deposition can increase the levels of toxic metals such as aluminum, copper, and mercury in untreated drinking water supplies.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It has been estimated that acid rain causes $1 billion worth of damage in Canada every year. Thousands of lakes have been damaged; a large part of the salmon habitat in the Maritimes has been lost; a significant proportion of eastern Canada's forests has been affected; and considerable damage to buildings and monuments has been documented.

The Canadian Council of Resource and Environment Ministers in established 20 kg/hectare per year as the target for Canadian sulphur dioxide loading. In eastern Canada, 96% of the land with high capability for forestry is subject to acidic deposition in excess of 20 kg/ha per year. In recent years, important instances of dieback and declines in growth rate have been noted in sugar maple groves in parts of Canada that receive high levels of these and other air pollutants, such as ozone. Significant growth declines in northern Ontario forests, most notable over the past 30 years, coincide with a period of rapidly increasing industrialization and urbanization across much of the province.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
More than 80% of all Canadians live in areas with high acid rain-related pollution levels.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.60 Is acid deposition occurring to the same extent across Canada?

No. Sulphur emissions tend to be concentrated in relatively few locations, while the sources of nitrogen emissions are widely distributed; however, where they are deposited depends on more than just where they are produced. Airborne acidic pollutants are often transported by large scale weather systems thousands of kilometers from their point of origin before being deposited. In eastern North America, weather systems generally travel from southwest to northeast. Thus, pollutants emitted from sources in the industrial heartland of the midwestern states and central Canada regularly fall on the more rural and comparatively pristine areas of the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The challenge is to reduce sulphur and nitrogen emissions. The two principal ways individuals can help are:

by reducing the amount of energy used in the home (energy efficiency)
by reducing the stress your driving habits put on the environment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It has been estimated that about 50% of the sulphate deposited in Canada is derived from sources in the U.S.

[gaiacomm]

Well, JR the name is Mr. Is or Sir "Is." No other substitutes.

Yes, I found lots of data on chemtrails from jets, all those studies on sulfur from Pratt and Whitney (GE's competitor--makers of the black bird engines), all those studies on high levels of S in jet fuel, all those SOx and NOx from jet fuel chemtrails that cause all kinds of metals problems. Huge metals problems.

So, all that stuff you call just water vapor is really lots of acids, acid rain. Chemtrails--not water vapor.

And it sets up huge levels of aluminum in the environment. Huge levels well beyond the cloud seeding trick effects. Levels that kill trees, cause life extinctions in lakes and streams, and levels that screw up human health.

Is it this Alzheimers that you attempt to suffer from in discussions on chemtrails from jet fuels? Or are you just concealing the huge damage factors your oil buddies cause to the ecosystem and humans?

IMHO,
is

====
http://pao.cnmoc.navy.mil/Educate/Neptune/quest/general/acidrain.htm

Acid Rain
The atmosphere is like an enormous chemist's beaker - a vessel where gases mix, mingle, and react, often turning into poisonous substances capable of returning to earth as rain or snow. Acid rain has been blamed for the "death" of several lakes and rivers in North America and may be responsible for world-wide forest depletion as well.

Each day, thousands of tons of sulfur and nitrogen oxides are pumped into the air by fossil fuel burning plants and automobile exhaust systems. Sunlight converts these gases into sulfuric and nitric acids which then are absorbed by the water particles in clouds. Mixed with rain and snow, they fall back to earth, usually hundreds of miles from the original source of the pollution.

The term acid rain is somewhat misleading. In addition to the "wet" substances of rain, snow, and fog, dry particles of sulfur and nitrogen oxides also fall and are absorbed by plants and soil. These particles, known as acid deposition, turn acidic when mixed with surface moisture.

A substance's pH factor, a figure on a scale of 0 - 14, determines a substance's acidity. A pH value of 7 is average. A figure less than 7 indicates higher acidity, more than 7 greater alkilinity. Rainfall with a pH lower than 5.6 is considered abnormally acidic.

Acid rain releases aluminum from soil into the rivers and lakes restricting the growth of aquatic plant roots. Aluminum also clogs the gills of aquatic animals, attacks calcium in their bodies, and causes life-threatening deformities in their young.

As plants, insects, fish, amphibians and reptiles disappear, the structure of the lake's ecosystem weakens and collapses. When the lake is completely unable to support life, mammals and birds which rely on the lake as a food source become endangered. Sadly, "dead" lakes and streams often appear clear and beautiful.

Some scientists think that acid rain affects forest growth by weakening trees so that they are less likely to survive droughts, insect attacks, diseases, or storm damage.

Natural habitats are not the only ones endangered. Man-made office buildings, houses, and automobiles also erode due to repeated soakings of acid rain.

Several government agencies are currently investigating acid rain. They are expected to recommend technology which will clean up sulfur emissions made by factories.

====
http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/msc/as/acidfaq.html

Q3.49 What causes acid deposition?

Acid deposition - commonly called acid rain - is caused by emissions of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Although natural sources of sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides do exist, more than 90% of the sulphur and 95% of the nitrogen emissions occurring in eastern North America are of human origin. These primary air pollutants arise from the use of coal in the production of electricity, from base-metal smelting, and from fuel combustion in vehicles. Once released into the atmosphere, they can be converted chemically into such secondary pollutants as nitric acid and sulfuric acid, both of which dissolve easily in water. The resulting acidic water droplets can be carried long distances by prevailing winds, returning to Earth as acid rain, snow, or fog.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.50 Is acid deposition always wet?

No. The acids can be transformed chemically into sulphur dioxide gas or into sulphur and nitrogen salts. In this form they are deposited 'dry', causing the same damage as when they land dissolved in rain or snow. In this form they can also do internal damage to plants as they are taken up from the soil.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
About 40% of nitrogen oxides come from transportation (cars, trucks, buses, trains), about 25% from thermoelectric generating stations, and the balance from other industrial, commercial, and residential combustion processes.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.56 How does acid deposition affect terrestrial plant life?

Both natural vegetation and crops can be affected.

It can alter the protective waxy surface of leaves, lowering disease resistance.
It may inhibit plant germination and reproduction.
It accelerates soil weathering and removal of nutrients.
It makes some toxic elements, such as aluminum, more soluble. High aluminum concentrations in soil can prevent the uptake and use of nutrients by plants.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.57 How does acid deposition affect animal life?

The effects on terrestrial wildlife are hard to assess. As a result of pollution-induced alteration of habitat or food resources, acid deposition may cause population decline through stress (because of decreases in available resources) and lower reproductive success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.58 What are the socioeconomic consequences of acidification?

Lower productivity in fisheries, forestry, and agriculture translates to lower profits and fewer jobs for some of Canada's important industries.
Acid deposition causes accelerated corrosion, fracturing, and discoloration of buildings, structures, and monuments.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.59 How does acid deposition affect human health?

We eat food, drink water, and breathe air that has come in contact with acid deposition.
Canadian and U.S. studies indicate that there is a link between this pollution and respirator problems in sensitive populations such as children and asthmatics.
Acid deposition can increase the levels of toxic metals such as aluminum, copper, and mercury in untreated drinking water supplies.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It has been estimated that acid rain causes $1 billion worth of damage in Canada every year. Thousands of lakes have been damaged; a large part of the salmon habitat in the Maritimes has been lost; a significant proportion of eastern Canada's forests has been affected; and considerable damage to buildings and monuments has been documented.

The Canadian Council of Resource and Environment Ministers in established 20 kg/hectare per year as the target for Canadian sulphur dioxide loading. In eastern Canada, 96% of the land with high capability for forestry is subject to acidic deposition in excess of 20 kg/ha per year. In recent years, important instances of dieback and declines in growth rate have been noted in sugar maple groves in parts of Canada that receive high levels of these and other air pollutants, such as ozone. Significant growth declines in northern Ontario forests, most notable over the past 30 years, coincide with a period of rapidly increasing industrialization and urbanization across much of the province.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
More than 80% of all Canadians live in areas with high acid rain-related pollution levels.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q 3.60 Is acid deposition occurring to the same extent across Canada?

No. Sulphur emissions tend to be concentrated in relatively few locations, while the sources of nitrogen emissions are widely distributed; however, where they are deposited depends on more than just where they are produced. Airborne acidic pollutants are often transported by large scale weather systems thousands of kilometers from their point of origin before being deposited. In eastern North America, weather systems generally travel from southwest to northeast. Thus, pollutants emitted from sources in the industrial heartland of the midwestern states and central Canada regularly fall on the more rural and comparatively pristine areas of the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The challenge is to reduce sulphur and nitrogen emissions. The two principal ways individuals can help are:

by reducing the amount of energy used in the home (energy efficiency)
by reducing the stress your driving habits put on the environment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It has been estimated that about 50% of the sulphate deposited in Canada is derived from sources in the U.S.


Excellent post...this is real data...that makes since...keep it up we are reading and learning!

Don't worry JR and company are all on Ignore now,,,,and its silent now!

[gaiacomm]

For Wayne Hall: http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

[halva]

OK, I've made it a favourite.

But on your previous nuclear weapons and Iran postings: my empirical assumption based on life experience to date is that ALL nuclear weapons danger-mongering signifies a hidden agenda.

Nuclear weapons are political "weapons". And all the benefit always accrues only to the most powerful state, whose power is not derived from its nuclear weapons.

[halva]

Going Broke
The USA Is Bankrupt – What Now?
By William Thomas 11/28/04

Right now the coffers of the biggest economy on the planet are as bare as a robbed bank. Currently in hock to the world, the Bush White House is currently borrowing $1.9 billion a day just to stay afloat.

“Under what conditions can it repay the money?� Rep. James Traficant Jr. asked Congress 11 years ago. “The estimated interest on the debt equals all the personal income tax paid by all Americans. Our government is so deep in debt that it cannot get out…We are here now in chapter 11.�

Much of this borrowing involves selling interest-bearing promissory notes called reasury bonds to foreign investors, whose eagerness to “buy America� has financed an illusory prosperity. But their largesse may be over. On Sept. 9, 2004, foreign investors already awash in Bush’s bad checks stopped buying that “paper�.

Hostage to foreign governments, trapped in a permanent war-making economy that exports almost nothing but debt, death, suffering, destruction and more jihadist recruits – Americans “maxed out� on debt and lacking personal savings are as unprepared as most of the rest of us for what is coming like a fast train through a narrow tunnel.

It’s 1929 all over again. Back with a lot more debt to bail out this time around, Back in the Roaring Twenties, consumer debt was too high to be sustained. Even the stock market was being stoked by record purchases.

Sound familiar?

“Though the timing is anyone’s guess, the US dollar is poised to be overwhelmed by the deficit,� warns the Asia Times.

The USA owes its creditors about $4.4 trillion right now. Paying all that interest means more borrowing – which requires still more loans to keep “rolling over� all those 10-year Treasury notes as they become due for repayment plus interest.

But with the dollar plummeting in value and inflation rising, foreign lenders are losing confidence in the worth of Bush’s IOU’s. Oil-producing nations are saying they prefer payment in Euros, gold dinars (at left), or yak hides – anything but more bogus bucks.

Until a dew months ago, Asia’s central banks – particularly the big commercial banks in Japan and China – have been financing America’s huge appetite for consumer products, weapons and warfare. The interest alone on all those loans is unpayable. With total state and federal government debts currently passing $14 trillion dollars in a near-vertical climb, US taxpayers have shelled out $15 trillion in interest payments since 1960 – while the principal continues to rise.


Higher interest rates means more interest on the national debt, which is really the debt of American children, and their children – just as climate change really kicks in with increasingly costly catastrophes.

But despite a decade’s prediction of economic doom, financial meltdown hasn’t happened yet. And it won’t, runs the counter-argument, because global interdependence means that everyone must maintain the illusion of solvency – or go down together.

Still, if someone blinks, all those debt bombs blow up at once.

That someone could be China.

Unhappily, the self-restraining domino theory of Mutually Assured Financial Destruction has a fatal flaw. As a financial blogger writes: “Asian central banks don't have to sell their existing Treasuries for the dollar to come under pressure. All they have to do is to stop buying new Treasuries.�

This is already happening.

Foreigners have stopped buying US stocks. From net purchases of $9.7 billion on Wall Street in July, offshore investors turned to a $2.1 billion sell-off last August. Private foreign investors also sold $4.4 billion more in T-bills than they bought that month. In fact, all foreign investment into the United States has fallen off sharply. The Institute for International Economics’ John Williamson says that foreclosing on Uncle Sam “wouldn't be in the interest of the world. But any one country might think, ‘I'll beat the crowd and diversify first.’�

The Catch-22 dilemma is that whether acting individually or internationally, the smartest precautionary moves – curbing spending, reducing personal debt, reducing “exposure� in the US stock market and the US dollar – could also crash a global casino dominated by debt and the dollar.

The collapse of the greenback and America’s faulty empire could come as quickly as the fall of the former Soviet Union – and for many of the same reasons. You might want to plant a winter garden. And throw a few cans of beans in the cupboard.

[jayreynolds]

Wayne, you have afine sort of 'whistleblower' here with your buddy Jimbo.

When called to produce actual fuel samples which he says can detect miniscule amounts of metals in fuel, he drops the ball.
He will never do any such thing, will you, Jim Phelps?

When called to produce n-numbers of aircraft he claims are rented by DOE to make 'chemtrails, he drops the ball.

Let's see where else he drops the ball. He says this:

"Yes, I found lots of data on chemtrails from jets, all those studies on sulfur from Pratt and Whitney (GE's competitor--makers of the black bird engines), all those studies on high levels of S in jet fuel, all those SOx and NOx from jet fuel chemtrails that cause all kinds of metals problems. Huge metals problems.
So, all that stuff you call just water vapor is really lots of acids, acid rain. Chemtrails--not water vapor.
And it sets up huge levels of aluminum in the environment. Huge levels well beyond the cloud seeding trick effects. Levels that kill trees, cause life extinctions in lakes and streams, and levels that screw up human health.
Is it this Alzheimers that you attempt to suffer from in discussions on chemtrails from jet fuels? Or are you just concealing the huge damage factors your oil buddies cause to the ecosystem and humans?"

But then, rather than show us fuel analysis with abnormal amounts of sulfur and aluminum, which is his claim, he shows us data that says most sulfur comes from power plants and cars, and that aluminum comes from the soil!

Besides, sulfur emissions are WAAAAAAY down since the "chemtrails hoax began. If all this sulfur were being sprayed out by aircraft, how could this be???????
http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/pdfs/SO2National.pdf

What about NOx from power plants?
Same story:
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/cmprpt/arp03/nox_emissions_reductions.gif

From the look of it, you guys are flogging a dead horse.

Next??????????

[jayreynolds]

Going Broke
The USA Is Bankrupt – What Now?
By William Thomas 11/28/04
“Under what conditions can it repay the money?” Rep. James Traficant Jr. asked Congress 11 years ago. .
Traficant is in prison for racketeering. He isn't a very good reference.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/12/31/loc_tristatebriefs31.html
http://www.rollcall.com/pub/49_95/news/4818-1.html

Be aware, Wayne, Deborah, Jimbo, and all other chemtrail promoters, that I intend, should any of the documented threats to shoot down aircraft be implemented, to solicit federal indictments under the RICO(RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS) laws against each of you for complicity in the action.

I suggest you all carefully consider your part in this corrupt organization, and act now, before it is too late, to end promotion of "chemtrails" hoax before some nutcase decides to carry out these threats:
http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=37680&postcount=1652

[jayreynolds]

Jimbo, see your lawyer regarding your personal liability under the criminal syndicalism laws of the State of Tennessee.
Section 1. Criminal Syndicalism is the doctrine which advocates crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform. The advocacy of such doctrine, whether by word of mouth or writing, is a felony punishable as in this act otherwise provided.

Section 2. Any person who, by word of mouth or writing, advocates or teaches the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or other unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reforms, or

(2) Prints, publishes, edits, issues, or knowingly circulates,. sells, distributes or publicly displays any book, paper, document, or other written matter in any form containing or advocating, advising or teaching the doctrine that industrial or political reform should be brought about by crime, sabotage, violence, of other unlawful methods of terrorism, or

(3) Openly, willfully, and deliberately justifies by word of mouth or writing, the commission or the attempt to commit crime, sabotage, violence, or other unlawful methods of terrorism, with intent to exemplify, spread, or advocate the propriety of the doctrine of criminal syndicalism, or

(4) Organizes or helps to organize, or becomes a member of, or voluntarily assembles with any society, group, or assemblage of persons, formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism,

Is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison, for not more than ten years, or by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars, or both.

Section 3. Whenever two or more persons assemble for the purpose at advocating or teaching the doctrine of criminal syndicalism as defined in this act, such assemblage is unlawful, and every person voluntarily participating therein by his presence, aid, or instigation, is guilty of a felony, and punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than ten years, or by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars, or both.

[gaiacomm]

OK, I've made it a favourite.

But on your previous nuclear weapons and Iran postings: my empirical assumption based on life experience to date is that ALL nuclear weapons danger-mongering signifies a hidden agenda.

Nuclear weapons are political "weapons". And all the benefit always accrues only to the most powerful state, whose power is not derived from its nuclear weapons.


Yes, I agree!

[foot_soldier]

November 30, 2004
Under All That Ice, Maybe Oil
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/science/earth/30core.html?oref=login

The ice-cloaked Arctic Ocean was once apparently a warm, biologically brewing basin so rich in sinking organic material that some scientists examining fresh evidence pulled from a submerged ridge near the North Pole say the seabed may now hold significant oil and gas deposits.

This is just one of many findings from a pioneering expedition that in late summer sent dozens of scientists and technicians on three icebreakers - one with a drilling rig nine stories tall - into the drifting, crunching plates of sea ice to retrieve the first long-term record of climate and ocean conditions there. The expedition drilled 1,400 feet deep, retrieving cores of sediment that, with some gaps, span 56 million years. Scientists from around the world gathered in Bremen, Germany, this month to analyze the samples.

They hope that a better understanding of how Arctic climate has varied over the millenniums will help them project the implications of the region's recent warming trend, which many scientists have concluded has mainly been propelled by emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases.

Just retrieving the samples was "a technical tour de force," said Dr. Richard B. Alley, an expert on Arctic change at Penn State.

And the initial findings are already upending old notions, among them that the Arctic Ocean lacked sufficient sediment and biological activity to record past conditions in its bed.

"Everyone thought this ocean basin was starved of sediment," said Dr. Kathryn Moran, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island who was a co-leader of the 14-nation project. "We've already knocked that ball out of the park."

So far, the coring project has mainly garnered the attention of climate experts, but word is slowly spreading among geologists focused on oil as well.

Petroleum deposits are already charted along the shallow shelves fringing the Arctic from the North Slope of Alaska to northernmost Europe. But the cylinders of dark, ancient rock extracted from the submerged mountain range, the Lomonosov Ridge, are the first hint that such deposits may lie in the two-mile-deep basins near the top of the world..... (continued)

[gaiacomm]

November 30, 2004
Under All That Ice, Maybe Oil
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/science/earth/30core.html?oref=login

The ice-cloaked Arctic Ocean was once apparently a warm, biologically brewing basin so rich in sinking organic material that some scientists examining fresh evidence pulled from a submerged ridge near the North Pole say the seabed may now hold significant oil and gas deposits.

This is just one of many findings from a pioneering expedition that in late summer sent dozens of scientists and technicians on three icebreakers - one with a drilling rig nine stories tall - into the drifting, crunching plates of sea ice to retrieve the first long-term record of climate and ocean conditions there. The expedition drilled 1,400 feet deep, retrieving cores of sediment that, with some gaps, span 56 million years. Scientists from around the world gathered in Bremen, Germany, this month to analyze the samples.

They hope that a better understanding of how Arctic climate has varied over the millenniums will help them project the implications of the region's recent warming trend, which many scientists have concluded has mainly been propelled by emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases.

Just retrieving the samples was "a technical tour de force," said Dr. Richard B. Alley, an expert on Arctic change at Penn State.

And the initial findings are already upending old notions, among them that the Arctic Ocean lacked sufficient sediment and biological activity to record past conditions in its bed.

"Everyone thought this ocean basin was starved of sediment," said Dr. Kathryn Moran, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island who was a co-leader of the 14-nation project. "We've already knocked that ball out of the park."

So far, the coring project has mainly garnered the attention of climate experts, but word is slowly spreading among geologists focused on oil as well.

Petroleum deposits are already charted along the shallow shelves fringing the Arctic from the North Slope of Alaska to northernmost Europe. But the cylinders of dark, ancient rock extracted from the submerged mountain range, the Lomonosov Ridge, are the first hint that such deposits may lie in the two-mile-deep basins near the top of the world..... (continued)



We do not need oil that bad to destroy in 100 years what took 56 million. MAN is a AIDS virus to the planet earth!

[foot_soldier]

November 29, 2004
Kyoto Re-Think Needed after U.S. Unmoved - Blair
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3819465

The international community must find “a different way forward� to tackle climate change because the US will not change its mind over the Kyoto protocol, Tony Blair said today.

The protocol will become a legally-binding treaty in February despite the US’s refusal to sign up.

But Mr Blair said without US participation there was little hope of securing the action needed to tackle greenhouse gas emissions.

“I think everybody accepts that the American position is not going to change on Kyoto,� he said.

“The important thing is to get a dialogue with America on how we recognise both the scale of the problem on greenhouse gas emissions and a process that enables us to confront and deal with it.�..... (continued)

***

Don't bother, Mr. Blair. The Bush administration isn't going to make any concessions to the problem of pollution-driven climate change unless the fossil fuel industry can have complete control over proposed "solutions." The rest of the world community had better just get together on their own and do what they can. If they have to simply find a way to live gracefully with the colossal self-centeredness of the world's remaining "superpower" so be it.

[gaiacomm]

The Mujahiddeen are already within the borders of the USA and are waiting for the right leader to lead them to victory! Until then there will be copy cats that are insults to the regime of freedom fighters that do not attack those who do not attack first!

The USA cannot stop Iran anymore than it can provide health insurance for its people or feed its homeless. The empire has reached its apex and King George Bush once again will be challenged with the seperation from the Rule of the colonies!

Declaration of Idependence for the ones that wish to be free!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings,

OLE JR is becoming more and more bizarre. Seems he is losing on all his points, desperation is setting in. Paranoia it appears. I do think we are witnessing JR loosing it right here in the public forum, absolutely falling apart he is. His threats become more and more disconnected from reality. Crazy, he appears. Little piggie is squeeling in place of simple grunts.

JR's Habitual lies have caught up with him. He has crawled so far out on that limb of deceit, that I worry of his sanity. His little oil world of the labyrinth's morass of lies is being exposed and every one can begin to see the ugly truth inside. The mighty Atlas has dropped his oily gods information right smack in the middle of little OLE Earth's sheeple.

JR is well known for his extremes of behavior--bellicosity, belligerence, being a crank. Such extremes. He seems to have both debunked himself and indicted himself. We all know that JR plays that "chemmies" are all not credible, leaving himself as the sole expert and judge. This is JR's crazy world. In denial he stays.

Now, almost none listen to JR here, he his discredited.

I wonder if JR's employer knows he plays in the Internet all day, and harasses whistleblowers and environmental activists? Could be his employer well knows this, since he seems to hit this Forum every two hours or so, in between the times he is stalking the other forum's "chemmies." Tell us about your employer JR. Who is funding this day in and day out verbal assault of Hate on chemmies?

JR has well shown that jets and jet fuels make "chemical" trails, some visible some not. JR's well proven the chemical jet fuel trail association with actual documents. Even actual attempts in the refinery process to lower the chemical toxic effects from this jet fuel's bad chemical effects. Effects so bad, that they plague the Earth itself.

That these jet fuel chemical trails are well associated with aluminum poisoning the planet, and rises in other toxic metals. Well supported that chemical jet trails are connected with environmental harm. JR decided to exhibit the larger aluminum toxic effects from the SOx and NOx problems, rather than the tiny issues of metals seeding. JR wanted the solid proof, now didn't he.

Now OLE JR insists he is a terrorist and he himself in need of criminal RICO Act prosecution for admitting that Sulfur is connected to jet trails. JR has proven chemical trails exist from jet fuels. Chemicals like SOx and NOx, that all go to make acid rain and liberate Al in the soils and into water/food chains. He has even taken to the practice of law and providing legal advice.

JR listed the P-W study on Sulfur connected to droplet formation. And JR admits metals are in jet fuels, and this will make metal sulfides, which are generally all hygroscopic. They lead to water collection, hydration, and droplet formation.

He is insisting that since he revealed all that----that he is a terrorist supporter. Because if some crackpot somewhere out there decided to shoot down a plane--that he will be complicit in that act. Evidently complicit because he now admits there are chemical trails from jet fuels and that they do cause aluminum problems. And that the lies he has supported to conceal this fact would piss off many people.

What else is JR concealing? Things like jet planes are flying bombs capable of doing almost WMD damage to huge buildings. That the Jet Fuel and Aluminum Fire effects are directly connected to huge increases in temperatures leading to building structural failures from heat? See citation below. Aluminum fires burn very hot, like thermite. JR has again enabled terrorism by failing to disclose these risk to the public at large. Lots of innocent people died in 911 because of that hushed up fact.

How many more people have your terrorist acts toward the environment, human health, and life harmed JR? How many die each day because you failed to blow the whistle on such huge environmental crimes that now threaten our cities and our entire countries economies?

Cease and Desist your crime spree.

IMHO,
is

PS--For the record: I support sensible accountability applied to disclosures of environmental harm from jet fuel and the petroleum industry. I don't support in any way issues of violence, criminal acts, or terrorism.

Which is why I don't support JR, because his lies and treachery are connected with provoking the terrorist situation and harming the American Public and world at large. He lies too much. IMHO.

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http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/sciam/

Others have pointed out the possibility that the aviation fuel fires burned sufficiently hot to melt and ignite the airliners' aluminum airframe structures. Aluminum, a pyrophoric metal, could have added to the conflagrations. Hot molten aluminum, suggests one well-informed correspondent, could have seeped down into the floor systems, doing significant damage. "Aluminum melts into burning 'goblet puddles' that would pool around depressions, [such as] beam joints, service openings in the floor, stair wells and so forth...The goblets are white hot, burning at an estimated 1800 degrees Celsius. At this temperature, the water of hydration in the concrete is vaporized and consumed by the aluminum. This evolves hydrogen gas that burns. Aluminum burning in concrete produces a calcium oxide/silicate slag covered by a white aluminum oxide ash, all of which serve to insulate and contain the aluminum puddle. This keeps the metal hot and burning. If you look at pictures of Iraqi aircraft destroyed in their concrete shelters [during the Persian Gulf war], you will notice a deep imprint of the burned aircraft on the concrete floor.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings,

Interesting that Iran may have the nuclear materials for a nuke bomb. It was kind of inevitable. Just like India and Pakistan became nuclear capable, so will the Arabs against the Jews and their 200 plus nuke bomb arsenal.

The US has never been the sole nuclear super power, as the Russians out produced plutonium against the US by a factor of 2 to 1. The US has not even held the nuclear superpower title alone. The Russians are so awash in Pu and HEU that they sell it to the US these days.

I don't think it practical to allow one country to go nuclear and then keep others from not doing the same. The nuclear issue would likely disappear in the Middle East, if Israel stopped the same.

The problems in the Middle East would definitely disappear if the lies in religions were exposed too. But the Jews cling to their misconceptions and their self serving definition of God.

Nuclear is one option on global warming. But not the best option. The Saudis burn nothing but oil to make power, and they even distill most of their water to get the pollution out--things like toxic fluorides. 10 percent of Rhyad's power goes into water distillation.

I do think Gaia's prediction on Iran linking up with other countries to protect themselves is going to happen. I mean, after all, this is the message contained in Revelations. They could forecast this happening from 2,000 years back. Rather obvious if you know the central issues of deceit in religion. For those Christ believers, those that watch Jack Van Impe and others, this is part of their religious beliefs. There are those sitting around waiting for this to happen.

In Oak Ridge, we put together these factors way back in the 80's, that this Revelation prophecy was coming true. We even got right down to the sciences of why and how. From AIDs/cancers to weather extremes--we had the models. Even into what was driving this last great Holy war.

So, today these End-Times and Armageddon effects seem to be lining up.

All the problems are just as stated, it is all about religion and the lies provided by religion. The Jews can't seem to admit the problems of the Torah and Talmud's preaching, and the Islam's all call the Jews and Christians that follow the Jews as "Infidels." In many ways, this is true. The Jews have distorted Gods original message. We found these in Oak Ridge too.

Now we have Holy Wars and battles just like Revelations predicts with nuclear weapons on the 33rd parallel in the Middle East.

We can see some of the extremes on this list. Stories like 10 million Jews died in the Holocaust from the white mason distorter of truth, when the official numbers appear to be down around 3-4 million. It is nonsense to deny that the Jews were involved in a holocaust, as they declared war on Hitler and Hitler put them to work camps and killed many in varied ways.

There is always distortion / exaggeration and data missing from these Jewish accounts on History. Really missing in their religion, neither truth nor God is on their side.

The reason for the holocaust was not based on the Jewish being innocent, as they did try to pull their typical "state within a state" control of Govt type things on Germany. There are at least 200 cases where God has punished the Jews for doing this stuff, huge pogroms, because they go against God by following the corruption of God in Torah and Talmud.

The Jews are even involved in this "state within state" issues in the US, from the assassination of JFK, the FR banks, and these faked up wars for Israel. Some OLE thing.

I personally don't see that Jesus stayed a Jew, as he rejected lots of the Torah and gave the Sanhedron and Pharisee the need to see him dead in the worst way possible. Jesus rejected the Jews. Mary seems to have moved far away to a zone called Avalon, which appears to mean a "land free of religious persecution."

The Popes for many generations after Jesus were all Jewish, so there was much delay in the recognition of Jesus and Mary for their better efforts on defining God. So, they only became the main principle of the Catholic religion in the times of Charlemain's great conferences.

They got things half right now, but they can't seem to admit the two God concepts. One a sort of snake worship origin and the other a more divine conception or more supreme idea.

So, a huge conflagration nears because of stupid people. Especially those money seekers.

IMHO,
is

[dewey189]

Methinks you should address the miserable failings and the deplorable behaivor committed by people of the Christian faith throughout its history. They don't have it right either.

[jayreynolds]

[QUOTE=jayreynolds]When called to produce actual fuel samples which Jim Phelps says can detect miniscule amounts of metals in fuel, he drops the ball. Jim, you were the one who promised to get that fuel analyzed. I

It's midday on Tuesday, where's the beef???

You will never do any such thing, will you, Jim Phelps?

When called to produce n-numbers of aircraft he claims are rented by DOE to make "chemtrails", he drops the ball.

YOU said it wouldn't be hard to get this information. Now Deborah and Wayne are getting rather disappointed with YOU, Jimbo!
WHERE'S THE BEEF???
Youve made promises that you can't keep.

But then, rather than show us fuel analysis with abnormal amounts of sulfur and aluminum, which is his claim, he shows us data that says most sulfur comes from power plants and cars, and that aluminum comes from the soil!

Besides, sulfur emissions are WAAAAAAY down since the "chemtrails" hoax began.
If all this sulfur were being sprayed out by aircraft, how could this be???????
http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/pdfs/SO2National.pdf

What about NOx from power plants?
Same story:
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/cmprpt/arp03/nox_emissions_reductions.gif

Don't think I forgot about your claim that Ti02 was sprayed over your area of Tennessee, still waiting for your proof for that claim, too. Better have it by tomorrow, bub.

Jimbo, it's time you got some new material, but till you do, I'm riding you all the way home, and won't let you forget it. Let me know what your atorney says about your liability for those charges of Criminal Syndicalism.

BTW, if you developed "chemtrails" for Oak Ridge Labs during the 1980s, better start naming some names, starting with your supervisor, and his supervisor. If you want to claim to be a 'whistleblower', got to blow more than smoke up chem-cult people's asses, dude.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Dewey,

"Methinks you should address the miserable failings and the deplorable behaivor committed by people of the Christian faith throughout its history. They don't have it right either."

========

Methinks you are very correct. I agee. But ya have to start somewhere, where things initially went wrong.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ah Yes, JR is back to lying some more. Claims:

"Jim, you were the one who promised to get that fuel analyzed."
======

I made no such claim. JR caught lying again.

I clearly stated that the Env. Crime Units can handle it well enough. Personally, I don't like getting oily.

But if you want to go steal some fuel off a Mil Base, I'll come to report your crime.

I also don't think you should ever be allowed to judge anything. As no rational person pays any heed to your BS.

What does a Pig do but grunt ah.

Go spend some time with your lonely wife and ignored children.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Greetings,

Interesting that Iran may have the nuclear materials for a nuke bomb. It was kind of inevitable. Just like India and Pakistan became nuclear capable, so will the Arabs against the Jews and their 200 plus nuke bomb arsenal.

The US has never been the sole nuclear super power, as the Russians out produced plutonium against the US by a factor of 2 to 1. The US has not even held the nuclear superpower title alone. The Russians are so awash in Pu and HEU that they sell it to the US these days.

I don't think it practical to allow one country to go nuclear and then keep others from not doing the same. The nuclear issue would likely disappear in the Middle East, if Israel stopped the same.

The problems in the Middle East would definitely disappear if the lies in religions were exposed too. But the Jews cling to their misconceptions and their self serving definition of God.

Nuclear is one option on global warming. But not the best option. The Saudis burn nothing but oil to make power, and they even distill most of their water to get the pollution out--things like toxic fluorides. 10 percent of Rhyad's power goes into water distillation.

I do think Gaia's prediction on Iran linking up with other countries to protect themselves is going to happen. I mean, after all, this is the message contained in Revelations. They could forecast this happening from 2,000 years back. Rather obvious if you know the central issues of deceit in religion. For those Christ believers, those that watch Jack Van Impe and others, this is part of their religious beliefs. There are those sitting around waiting for this to happen.

In Oak Ridge, we put together these factors way back in the 80's, that this Revelation prophecy was coming true. We even got right down to the sciences of why and how. From AIDs/cancers to weather extremes--we had the models. Even into what was driving this last great Holy war.

So, today these End-Times and Armageddon effects seem to be lining up.

All the problems are just as stated, it is all about religion and the lies provided by religion. The Jews can't seem to admit the problems of the Torah and Talmud's preaching, and the Islam's all call the Jews and Christians that follow the Jews as "Infidels." In many ways, this is true. The Jews have distorted Gods original message. We found these in Oak Ridge too.

Now we have Holy Wars and battles just like Revelations predicts with nuclear weapons on the 33rd parallel in the Middle East.

We can see some of the extremes on this list. Stories like 10 million Jews died in the Holocaust from the white mason distorter of truth, when the official numbers appear to be down around 3-4 million. It is nonsense to deny that the Jews were involved in a holocaust, as they declared war on Hitler and Hitler put them to work camps and killed many in varied ways.

There is always distortion / exaggeration and data missing from these Jewish accounts on History. Really missing in their religion, neither truth nor God is on their side.

The reason for the holocaust was not based on the Jewish being innocent, as they did try to pull their typical "state within a state" control of Govt type things on Germany. There are at least 200 cases where God has punished the Jews for doing this stuff, huge pogroms, because they go against God by following the corruption of God in Torah and Talmud.

The Jews are even involved in this "state within state" issues in the US, from the assassination of JFK, the FR banks, and these faked up wars for Israel. Some OLE thing.

I personally don't see that Jesus stayed a Jew, as he rejected lots of the Torah and gave the Sanhedron and Pharisee the need to see him dead in the worst way possible. Jesus rejected the Jews. Mary seems to have moved far away to a zone called Avalon, which appears to mean a "land free of religious persecution."

The Popes for many generations after Jesus were all Jewish, so there was much delay in the recognition of Jesus and Mary for their better efforts on defining God. So, they only became the main principle of the Catholic religion in the times of Charlemain's great conferences.

They got things half right now, but they can't seem to admit the two God concepts. One a sort of snake worship origin and the other a more divine conception or more supreme idea.

So, a huge conflagration nears because of stupid people. Especially those money seekers.

IMHO,
is


Excellent Post! Well put!

[gaiacomm]

Methinks you should address the miserable failings and the deplorable behaivor committed by people of the Christian faith throughout its history. They don't have it right either.


Good point and a true statement!

[gaiacomm]

I find that religious ignorance plays an important role in most wars and conflicts. If people can accept difference and realize that we all live in the same house, just in different rooms, then maybe we can all become the Human Race!

[foot_soldier]

insurrection chemistry wrote:
.....I do think Gaia's prediction on Iran linking up with other countries to protect themselves is going to happen. I mean, after all, this is the message contained in Revelations. They could forecast this happening from 2,000 years back. Rather obvious if you know the central issues of deceit in religion. For those Christ believers, those that watch Jack Van Impe and others, this is part of their religious beliefs. There are those sitting around waiting for this to happen.

In Oak Ridge, we put together these factors way back in the 80's, that this Revelation prophecy was coming true. We even got right down to the sciences of why and how. From AIDs/cancers to weather extremes--we had the models. Even into what was driving this last great Holy war.

So, today these End-Times and Armageddon effects seem to be lining up.....
Well, I sure would appreciate it if the Oak Ridge boys could come up with a way to leave the rest of us out of this nightmare. Let those who are into it have their ideas of Hell. Let them fight with each other. There are a great many people in this world who, being at peace with themselves, have no interest in being forced to participate in the stupid and destructive games of the relentlessly bellicose. Why should the whole world have to suffer for and be held hostage to the hallucinations of a relatively few fanatics?

[whitemajikman]

I find that religious ignorance plays an important role in most wars and conflicts. If people can accept difference and realize that we all live in the same house, just in different rooms, then maybe we can all become the Human Race!


I agree with you on this Gaia.....

But How come you don't practice what you preach...........?

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Well, I sure would appreciate it if the Oak Ridge boys could come up with a way to leave the rest of us out of this nightmare. Let those who are into it have their ideas of Hell. Let them fight with each other. There are a great many people in this world who, being at peace with themselves, have no interest in being forced to participate in the stupid and destructive games of the relentlessly bellicose. Why should the whole world have to suffer for and be held hostage to the hallucinations of a relatively few fanatics?


Well said,Deborah.......

But the realities of it are that this has been the way since the beginning.

Even if you were to uncover every conspiracy and had the whistleblowers to back you up,there is still no chance of ever getting to the people behind the scenes whom play God .

Global politic's is a Brotherhood, Just as Global big business is...........

They are all centrally aligned........

and thats a fact.

WMM

[gaiacomm]

I agree with you on this Gaia.....

But How come you don't practice what you preach...........?

WMM


I will break my rule of ignore to answer your civil question this one time.

I do practice what I preach,I notice that you and others like you are still blinded by your un faihfullness to your god and my god. We all can live together if we forgive and forget our differences with each other and build together in peace.

[jayreynolds]

Well, I sure would appreciate it if the Oak Ridge boys could come up with a way to leave the rest of us out of this nightmare. Let those who are into it have their ideas of Hell. Let them fight with each other. There are a great many people in this world who, being at peace with themselves, have no interest in being forced to participate in the stupid and destructive games of the relentlessly bellicose. Why should the whole world have to suffer for and be held hostage to the hallucinations of a relatively few fanatics?

Yes, Deborah, Jimbo is definitely a hallucinating fanatic, and a fool. He probably doesn't even see that you are aware that he is just another kook-wad like so many before him.

Remember the radarmatrix guy? Remember BobB?

Remember giacom back when HE claimed to have invented haarp, and even to have one which could ignite the atmosphere? You've seen them come and go, like A. C. Griffith came and went.

Now that Jimbo Phelps has turned out to be unwilling to provide even a shred of evidence that he is a 'whistleblower', but merely produces 'hot air' out of his whistle, looks like you've been jilted once again. You've been left to fend for yourself by 'Sore' and all the others, and were left with only Wayne Hall as a beau. He tells you to STFU whenever he likes, bossing you like his personal cow, and so now you are left holding the bag like always. This hoax is an idiot magnet, Deborah, and it's looking more and more like you are not only the attractant, but perhaps one of the main attractions!

Get smart, girl, get out of the hoax, admit what you did was wrong, and blow the lid on all the scammers.

As far as you, Jimbo Phelps, looks like you are about as worthless for a 'whistleblower' as teats on a mule. Your data stinks, you make a bunch of claims, wild ones, big ones, stuuuuuupeeeendous claims, and then fail to back up even a single one of them with a real document, a real name, a real lab analysis!

That makes debunking so damn easy, Jimbo, hell, even a child can ask the right question and leave you standing there dumbfounded!

Oh, you might come up with some wordy post, but in the end you have refused to do an analysis of jet fuel, you have refused to show proof that TiO2 was sprayed over Oak Ridge, refused to name names of who supervised your alleged development of haarp and "chemtrails". Refused to name even a single Jew at Oak Ridge in charge of any JFK assassination.
WHAT GOOD IS A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO WON"T SHOW ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER, JIMBO?????
SUCH A 'WHISTLEBLOWER' IS SOON SEEN FOR WHAT HE IS, JUST A BLOWHARD!

[jayreynolds]

OK, Jimbo Phelps, so you want to be a whistleblower, eh?

Let's see, this is how you start:
http://www.osc.gov/documents/pubs/post_wb.htm

Whistleblowing


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A "whistleblower" provides information he or she
reasonably believes evidences:
A violation of any law, rule or
regulation
Gross mismanagement
A gross waste of funds
An abuse of authority
A substantial and specific danger
to public health
A substantial and specific danger
to public safety


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The Office of Special Counsel (OSC) provides a secure channel through which current and former federal employees and applicants may make confidential disclosures. OSC has the authority to require the head of the agency concerned to investigate the matter if it determines that a disclosure has been made.

To make a disclosure contact:
U.S. OFFICE OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
1730 M STREET, N.W., SUITE 201
WASHINGTON, DC 20036-4505

PHONE: (202) 653-9125*
TOLL FREE: 1-800-572-2249
SEE??
EVEN A TOLL-FREE NUMBER!!!
SO, HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OSC, JIMBO????

Bet you haven't.

JIMBO IS A WHISTLEBLOWER WANNABE!
JIMBO IS SCARED TO BE A REAL WHISLEBLOWER.
SO HE JUST PRETENDS, RIGHT, JIMBO???
HE JUST MAKES THINGS UP AS HE GOES ALONG.
AND NOW SOMEBODY HAS HIM CORNERED.
IT"S CLEAR FOR ALL TO SEE YOUR FAILURE, JIMBO!!!!

[halva]

The Mujahiddeen are already within the borders of the USA and are waiting for the right leader to lead them to victory! Until then there will be copy cats that are insults to the regime of freedom fighters that do not attack those who do not attack first!

The USA cannot stop Iran anymore than it can provide health insurance for its people or feed its homeless. The empire has reached its apex and King George Bush once again will be challenged with the seperation from the Rule of the colonies!

Declaration of Idependence for the ones that wish to be free!

Are "the Mujahideen" anything more than another detachment of King George's army Gaiacomm?

[halva]

Well, I sure would appreciate it if the Oak Ridge boys could come up with a way to leave the rest of us out of this nightmare. Let those who are into it have their ideas of Hell. Let them fight with each other. There are a great many people in this world who, being at peace with themselves, have no interest in being forced to participate in the stupid and destructive games of the relentlessly bellicose. Why should the whole world have to suffer for and be held hostage to the hallucinations of a relatively few fanatics?

Amen.

But anyway I don't believe that there will be any use of nuclear weapons, and will do a mea culpa if wrong (and still around).

In the mid-nineties, when Yeltsin became so enraged with the demagogy about the dangers of terrorists getting hold of Russian nuclear materials (publicised e.g. in order to get Helmut Kohl re-elected) that he briefly tried to re-introduce the nuclear weapons issue to "the international community", it emerged that the ONLY buyers who had come forward for Russian bombs and other black market nuclear materials were Western (German, American, etc.) secret services carrying out "sting operations".

I think it's better to discuss the kind of politics in which people like us can play a role.

If I wanted to talk about Armageddon I could have stayed with my relatives in the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[foot_soldier]

halva wrote:
.....But anyway I don't believe that there will be any use of nuclear weapons, and will do a mea culpa if wrong (and still around).....
I'm inclined to agree that it's the idea of a nuclear confrontation that is being kept alive and well by the usual elements for political purposes.

On the other hand, we are living in a world where genuine reflection on the long-term ramifications of their actions is becoming a rarity among those in positions of power. It seems we have very few (some would say no) truly enlightened leaders at a time when an unprecedented level of international cooperation is going to be required in order to work through and resolve certain emerging (and unprecedented) problems.

The new weaponry favored by some of the current leaders (sic) is in many cases remotely deployable from the safety of distant command centers. I would characterize this emerging armamentarium as "Nuke Lite" and I submit that much of it is being tested in-situ in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

In other words, it's not out of the realm that things could spiral out of control in the active confrontation department what with all these new toys being run through their initial deployments.

***

The following, published in 2002, may be of interest:

The New Nuclear Danger
George W. Bush's Military-Industrial Complex by Helen Caldicott, M.D.
The New Press, 450 West 41st St, 6th floor, New York, NY 10036
http://www.fire.benton.wa.us/caldicottdanger.html

"That's why I wrote this book," says Caldicott after quoting Simon Tisdall's warning: "the highly contentious military and geostrategic foundations of the 21st century are being laid--and hardly anybody is watching."

Caldicott reviews the political scene in Washington D.C. and becomes alarmed at the turn taken by new allocations in the national budget. Nearly one half of the funds left to the discretion of congress were given to military spending in 2001.

"According to retired admiral Eugene Carroll, interservice rivalry is the real engine on the nuclear arms race--three services under the direction of the Pentagon, each competing for the nuclear dollar. It's about power building, each wanting and demanding more planes, bombs, and ships." Caldicott quotes from "An Elusive Consensus: Nuclear Weapons and American Security After the Cold War" a book by Janne E. Nolan, Brookings Instutition Press, 1999.

She goes on to say," This competition among the services--a dynamic centered at the mental and psychological age of my grandchildren, aged eight, seven, and five years, who argue continuously and competitively about toys, all wanting their very own and never having enough--may have been socially and politically acceptable during World Wars I and II, in a prenuclear era. In a world bristling with nuclear weapons, such rivalry is calamitous. Any Military skirmish in an interdependent world involving the navy, the army, or the air force, could escalate and trigger a thermonuclear holocaust."

She goes on throughout the book to examine the powerful political role that the Pentagon played since the cold war ended.

"The new international scenario, in which the Pentagon was left without a major national enemy at the end of the cold war in 1989, came as a shock to the entrenched military establishment, which was faced with a kind of post-traumatic stress syndrome. Indeed, many individuals overtly mourned the loss of their once-predictable former enemy."..... (continued)

[halva]

My experience with Helen Caldicott is that it is impossible to talk sensibly with her.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi,

Some of you may like to consider what other countries think about the US and the "Ugly Americans." When the Bush Neo-Cons cause problems and individuals like the "White Ma-Jew Mason" and "J(esus) R(ejector)" rant and rave about wanting the oceans to flood other countries, it leaves a mark. A beastly one.

IMHO,
is

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1328663,00.html

An American scapegoat in London
In Britain, America-bashing is so bad that I fear for my safety

[jayreynolds]

Hi,
Some of you may like to consider what other countries think about the US and the Ulgy Americans. When the Bush Neo-Cons cause problems and individuals like the White Ma-Jew Mason and J(esus) R(ejector) rant and rave about wanting the oceans to flood other countries, it leaves a mark. A beastly one.

Dear Readers,
Well, I've seen plenty of chemmies go down. Usually I toy with them for awhile, and try to pin them down. Eventually they get themselves trussed up like a hog ready for slaughter. Once they're tied up real good in their lies, it's time to stick the knife in and seek the vein. They evenntually squeal for awhile and then all that's left is that little gurgling sound as their lifeblood ebbs down to nothing.

Wayne and Deborah always knew you were full of crap, Jimbo. They saw you a longtime ago for what you really were. That's why they never asked the real tough questions, the ones where the rubber meets the road.

They never asked for proof.

They knew.

Once you had made sufficient claims, and were asked to back them up with some evidence,
you really had no choice but to try and ignore, coverup with specious bullshit and spam.

What was your excuse for not getting a fuel sample analyzed, when it was YOU who brought out how easy it was to detect the aluminum you claimed was in jet fuel?

You said you wouldn't get your hands dirty!

What was yyour response when challenged to prove that Titanium was sprayed over Oak Ridge?

Silence.

What was your response when challenged to name names of who supervised your "development" of haarp and "chemtrails", or what jew at Oak Ridge is culpable for the death of JFK?

Silence.

What was your response when asked if you had ever actually tried to be a REAL 'WHISLEBLOWER?

You call the peson asking the questions a Jew, a Mason, a Neocon.

Jimbo, I feel your pain. You have been reduced to NOTHING, just as insignificant as all the other chemmie liars who can't "PUT UP" where the rubber meets the road.

It seems you are finished........

But, we all knew that a long time ago, didn't we, Wayne, Deborah?

Jimbo, you have been reduced to a quivering mass of jelly, dumbfounded, spent, useless.

[jayreynolds]

Hi,Some of you may like to consider what other countries think about the US and the Ulgy Americans.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1328663,00.html

The article says:
"Here is what I perceive as the explanation: Europe has always been a seething hotbed of anti-semitism. England, sadly, has the distinction of being the very first country to expel its Jews and initiate the blood libel. The Jews were not allowed back into England until the time of Cromwell, and feel to this day that they worship by the grace of the sovereign. It is impossible to convey to Americans inside the US, or to American Jews, the open loathing of both groups that dominates daily life outside the US today."

Sounds like a place you would feel right at home, Jim Phelps.

The Guardian, as many are aware, recently published an article which called for the assassination of our President.

Considering the source, this 'Americans in danger" article was likely published as a warning for Americans, who might indeed be targetted in a similar way.

Hmmm...., let's see, calling for the asassination of the President........Calling for airplanes to be shot down..........a constant fascination with racist conspiracy theories.......looks like you chemmies are running with the dogs.

Get over it.
Get out of it.
Stop the hoax.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi,

Jay Reynolds is now turning to making death threats, the ultimate Hate Crime, toward "chemmies." His exact words follow:


"Dear Readers,
Well, I've seen plenty of chemmies go down. Usually I toy with them for awhile, and try to pin them down. Eventually they get themselves trussed up like a hog ready for slaughter. Once they're tied up real good in their lies, it's time to stick the knife in and seek the vein. They evenntually squeal for awhile and then all that's left is that little gurgling sound as their lifeblood ebbs down to nothing."


Be sure to take note of this type extremist threat. Chemtrail and global warming activists like Wayne Hall, Jim Phelps and others seem to have a very despirate predator stalker after them named Jay Reynolds. Jay Reynolds and a Jewish Mason in Canada work as a team to promote Hate. Calling all criminologists.

Jay Reynolds threatens to kill "chemmies with a knife." Jay Reynold's Hate Crimes rampage continues. When Jay Reynolds isn't instilling fear into chemtrail activists he is making up false diatribes about racism or anti-semitism for people expressing their religious freedoms toward Christ.

Jay Reynolds motive to threaten chemtrail activists with violent death and fear comes from his close association to one of the largest oil companies in the US, Hess Oil of NY, and his even closer associations to GE (General Electric of Rockefeller Center NY) and the jet turbine business. The oil companies are trying despiratly to cover up their part in global warming, and the jet engine companies like GE their roles in secret remediation efforts on global warming using chemtrail methodologies.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Are "the Mujahideen" anything more than another detachment of King George's army Gaiacomm?


No these are the real Freedom fighters and not under King George Bush's control!

[foot_soldier]

Yeah, well, Reynolds will be at it for the rest of his miserable life, superimposing his reliably distorted consciousness on every world view to which he is opposed. Fuck him. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

As for Helen Caldicott's being "impossible to talk sensibly to" - well, I didn't find that to be the case back in the 70's when she was working hard in this country on nuclear proliferation issues. She's a pediatrician and - let's face it - a woman and a mother. She's not into abstraction and theory.

[gaiacomm]

Iran hails UN nuclear 'victory'

Mr Rohani said US unilateralism had suffered a setback
A top Iranian official has claimed a "great victory" over the US after the UN said it would not punish Iran's nuclear activities with sanctions.
Hassan Rohani said Iran would never give up its right to nuclear power.

He stressed during talks with European countries Iran's freeze on uranium enrichment was only temporary.

The UN atomic agency IAEA welcomed Iran's offer to freeze enrichment in a statement on Monday that did not mention any threat of future sanctions.

US President George W Bush has acknowledged Iran's latest move, but says the US wants the enrichment programme terminated, not just suspended.

At a press conference in Canada where he is on an official visit, Mr Bush described the freeze as "a positive step, but it is certainly not the final step".

Washington has accused Iran of going back on numerous promises over its nuclear activities, and had been pushing for UN sanctions.

For his part, Mr Rohani said the "whole world had turned down America's calls".

"We have proved that, in an international institution, we are capable of isolating the US. And that is a great victory," said Mr Rohani, who heads Iran's top security body.

He added that the US representative at the IAEA meeting in Vienna "was enraged and in tears, and everybody said that the Americans had failed and we had won".

It was Iran's first direct comment on the nuclear controversy since the IAEA resolution on Monday.

Short negotiations

According to Mr Rohani, Iran's offer to suspend uranium enrichment would only apply for the duration of talks with the EU.

"We are talking months, not years," the cleric said.

Officials from the UK, Germany and France are trying to get Iran to renounce its nuclear fuel enrichment programme for good.

BBC correspondent Frances Harrison says Iran is hoping to be able to offer Europe objective guarantees to prove it is not diverting nuclear material for a secret weapons programme.

Talks between the Europeans and the Iranians are due to resume on 15 December.

Mr Rohani said "the length of negotiations must be rational and not too long".

But, he added, the talks were a "historical opportunity for Iran and Europe to prove to the world that unilateralism is condemned".

Iran maintains that its nuclear programme is solely for peaceful purposes and rejects accusations that it is working towards technology which could eventually be used for the production of nuclear weapons.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi,

On the line of thought of looking at problems from Christendoom, do take time to rent the new release DVD called just "Luther." It is the story of Martin Luther, and how he challenged the Popes on issues like "Indulgences" and going for real beliefs even to the point of translating the Roman (Greek) Bible (New Testament) into German to separate Germany from (old Testament) Rome.

Even the issues of Hitler follow some of these lines.

One can see in the story just how controlling these Popes were, to the point of making wars to kill off those that did not follow. The early Popes were all Jewish, and the Mary-Jesus issues were not introduced as being the higher views of God until Charlemane. Some of these early Popes were even crucified upside down.

What is the most interesting is the Luther insurrenction spread from Germany down to Fluorence and people like Michalangelo got into the protests. He did the duality painting called "The Creation" and the "Moses" with horns. Which could be named more properly "Man made God for his purposes" and "Moses serpent religion roots-Satan Worship."

As we have already mentioned, the forked tongued "Mason's" hold "The Creation" painting as most holy, because it is their theme of making god after their own purposes. This theme was followed by the Jews that corrupted the issues of Moses, the Jewish Popes of early Rome, the Popes that created faked up indulgences, and Now by the crooks that run the White House.

The point is, there is a central root to all the problems. Starts with Jews corrupting the issues of Moses and faked up god, then continues into Christendoom via these same corruptions being the Old Testament and Torah. Jesus was revolting against the faked up Torah concepts, much like how Luther and all his insurrectors did in later years.

That issue is the root of lots of wars, and why God always ends up punishing the Jews. It is about to happen again on a collosal scale. This is the message of Revelations, along with the issues of climate change, huge health problems for man, huge extinctions in the oceans.

Same problem source for all---failure to properly define God.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

When the Jews are gone then the meek shall inherit the Earth! According to Jesus who by the way died a Jew!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

"When the Jews are gone then the meek shall inherit the Earth!"
======
That is indeed the thesis of Revelations. The meek are the ones that define God properly and not for their own purposes. The uncorruptable independent thinking Martin Luthers that stand up for right.


"According to Jesus who by the way died a Jew!"
========
I do differ with that Gaia. Jews cannot kill or have killed another Jew, thus Jesus was not Jewish. Jesus was a martar who became the first Christian to die for his beliefs.

So significant was this, that he and Mary became the most pure icon for how to define God for Catholicism.

Jesus died a Christian, who was the way for the serpent worshiping Jews to the real God. Jesus stood next to God, where the false idols believing Jews could not.


The key Gaia, is properly defining God. Only the pure of intent can do that. That is also the key to world peace. Even to having the US come around in its denial of manmade climate change.

IMHO,
is

PS---> http://rense.com/general60/canyonf.htm

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

"When the Jews are gone then the meek shall inherit the Earth!"
======
That is indeed the thesis of Revelations. The meek are the ones that define God properly and not for their own purposes. The uncorruptable independent thinking Martin Luthers that stand up for right.


"According to Jesus who by the way died a Jew!"
========
I do differ with that Gaia. Jews cannot kill or have killed another Jew, thus Jesus was not Jewish. Jesus was a martar who became the first Christian to die for his beliefs.

So significant was this, that he and Mary became the most pure icon for how to define God for Catholicism.

Jesus died a Christian, who was the way for the serpent worshiping Jews to the real God. Jesus stood next to God, where the false idols believing Jews could not.


The key Gaia, is properly defining God. Only the pure of intent can do that. That is also the key to world peace. Even to having the US come around in its denial of manmade climate change.

IMHO,
is

PS---> http://rense.com/general60/canyonf.htm


I understand what you say, however Peter (the church) and Paul both did not have conversions to christianity until long after the death of jesus who was a hebrew, raised in jewish faith was condemed by his priests and the orders given by the Romans. Judea was Romes Iraq at the time and any attempt to upset the balance would mean death. Jesus never converted to christian faith because that was not his purpose it was Peter and Paul.

[whitemajikman]

Hi Gaia,

"When the Jews are gone then the meek shall inherit the Earth!"
======
That is indeed the thesis of Revelations. The meek are the ones that define God properly and not for their own purposes. The uncorruptable independent thinking Martin Luthers that stand up for right.


"According to Jesus who by the way died a Jew!"
========
I do differ with that Gaia. Jews cannot kill or have killed another Jew, thus Jesus was not Jewish. Jesus was a martar who became the first Christian to die for his beliefs.

So significant was this, that he and Mary became the most pure icon for how to define God for Catholicism.

Jesus died a Christian, who was the way for the serpent worshiping Jews to the real God. Jesus stood next to God, where the false idols believing Jews could not.


The key Gaia, is properly defining God. Only the pure of intent can do that. That is also the key to world peace. Even to having the US come around in its denial of manmade climate change.

IMHO,
is

PS---> http://rense.com/general60/canyonf.htm



Well Jim,you seem to think that you have it all figured out, and that Jews are are at the root of all corruption,and that YOU can truly define God.

YOU are now saying that "ONLY THE PURE OF INTENT CAN DO THAT" and you are hinting that YOU are one of these PURE.

The biggest Mistake of Man is to think that Man will ever be able to truly DEFINE GOD.

An It is an Arrogant one.

Every person on his planet has a different definition and a different picture of what God means and is to them personally.

Individuality is the reason for this and is one of God's greatest gift's.

Your mistake Jim is in thinking that you somehow have the answers to man's oldest question and can Define God,which you can't because it is only your notion of what you perceive to be reality that defines God.

God didn't make your reality,YOU DID.

Through the culmination of your life experiences,and your observations.

Everything that has ever happened to you GOOD or BAD has fed the reality which you perceive.

I could sit here and keep Judging you and everyone else but it would do no good,for you or for me.

Do I think your Reality is Skewed ...? I indeed do.

But it has nothing to do with me being a Jew.

Your concepts are not based upon a foundation of FACT that you can defend openly through debate with actual undeniable PROOF that your vision of reality is indeed what is real.

You have taken what you perceive to be Truth as fact ,and is now apart of you ,I asked you many questions that you never answered like .....

How you came to these notions regarding Jews?

What led up to your theories?

And can you provide proof for your theories other than more spam?

Your reluctance to communicate on this level,shows me that you can't.

Just as Jay will be waiting until the next Ice Age for you to provide proof .

I recently flamed Chemtemplation,on cliff's board for no other reason than I could.

I questioned his moral fibre because of an E-mail he sent to Maverick,which was full of hate and threats.

During the discussion that ensued between me and Chemtemplation he brought up my track record for flaming and my credibility,which many people have done in the past and have had no success in effecting me.

well to make a long story short.....

I came to the conclusion that no matter what I said to this individual it would not change his outlook on how he percieved himself, because fundementally his vision of himself has been engrained into his psyche and there is no changing that because it was too late.

Just as I suspect it is too late for you.

because you think you are right,and there really is nothing I can do about it ,no matter how hard I try.

And really It's not my place to try.

WMM

[halva]

Yeah, well, Reynolds will be at it for the rest of his miserable life, superimposing his reliably distorted consciousness on every world view to which he is opposed. Fuck him. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

As for Helen Caldicott's being "impossible to talk sensibly to" - well, I didn't find that to be the case back in the 70's when she was working hard in this country on nuclear proliferation issues. She's a pediatrician and - let's face it - a woman and a mother. She's not into abstraction and theory.

Raynolds will end his life in an institution for the clinically insane.

Helen Caldicott is fine on facts, but she is a lobbyist who does not understand that the system she is trying to lobby is not lobbyable but merely an intricate configuration of organized paralysis. She cannot understand anyone who tries to draw her attention to truths of this kind. If her issue were chemtrails rather than nuclear weapons she would be knocking on the doors of all those conferences of climate scientists that Raynolds keeps trying to send us to.

She also does not understand that in 1991 we should have been demanding with all our might the total unilateral abolition of all of the Soviet nuclear arsenal.

[jayreynolds]

Your mistake Jim is in thinking that you somehow have the answers to man's oldest question and can Define God,which you can't because it is only your notion of what you perceive to be reality that defines God.

Don't forget, whitey, that Jim Phelps has already announced his claim that he "sits at the right hand of God". The guy is so warped he really believes he is the Messiah, and has supplanted the place of Jesus!

Jim Phelps says: "MOVE OVER JESUS, I DEFINE GOD!!!"


Just as Jay will be waiting until the next Ice Age for you to provide proof .
I actually can't think of a single person here or elsewhere that ever REALLY expected Jimbo Phelps to provide proof for his claims. Certainly Deborah and Wayne never did, that is why they never asked. They merely tolerated him for a time because they felt the heat and expected him to provide some relief. They now see that allowing a profligate liar like Jim Phelps free reign to compound their troubles was a BIG MISTAKE.

Long before he came HERE, I knew he would not do so, because NO ONE CAN PROVE A LIE TO BE TRUE!

My massacre of Jim Phelps has been a pleasant interlude from the tedium of several rainy weeks down here on the farm, and I have to admit he has turned ot to be one of the few chemmies who is actually more of a fool than Wayne Hall! The root of Jim Phelp's foolishness, however, isn't restricted to his lack of foresight, or even his lack of proper supervision. Jim is probably one of the most deluded chemmies I have ever met, and really does deserve to be hospitalized in a mental institution for his own good.

[jayreynolds]

Yeah, well, Reynolds will be at it for the rest of his miserable life, superimposing his reliably distorted consciousness on every world view to which he is opposed. Fuck him. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

Deborah, what has really gotten your goat is how all the men who once controlled you, like 'Sore', Don Johnson, Clifford Carnicom, A.C. Griffith, and now Wayne Hall, have all either abandoned you or literally turned against you.

Where are the people you worked so hard for, now when you need them?

They used you and then dumped you like a worn out pair of socks when you were of no further use!

Looking back, and that's about all you can do now isn't it, you KNOW that what I say is true, everybody knows, it is obvious that they are long gone!

All the thousands of messageboard postings. Worthless trash now burning at Carnicom's abandoned forum.

All the thousands of hours seeking the mythical 'Barium Breakthrough'.

All your credibility at John Hopkins squandered, all they did was laugh behind your back, and turned you away.

The move to Arizona, useless.

And now we come to Jim Phelps and Wayne Hall.

A fine pair of feathered friends you have gotten yourself fixed up with there, Deborah. I am indeed ashamed FOR you.

You've got Jimbo, the messianic fruitcake who gets caught in lies soooooo eeeeeezee. Doesn't it just make you bite YOUR tongue whenever you see him getting ready to step on his own? Hasn't it been a teeency bit disingenuous for you to remain silent when you know absolutely how BOGUS he really is. I can just hear what Wayne told you, "Just keep quiet and let him keep Raynolds busy for awhile...." Famous last words, eh?

And so we come to Wayne HALL. The LITTLE STALIN. You actually believed at first that you could control HIM, didn't you? Well, the tables are turned now, HE is publicly HUMILIATING you at every turn, ORDERS you around like HE OWNS YOU. Are you aware that he really considers YOU'RE HIS SLAVE, and expects you to continue COVERING for him? Wayne's ideas always BACKFIRE, just like all the chem-men who have tied you 'round their little FINGERS.

Compared with all of them, I am the one who's stuck to you like glue, Deborah. Through thick and thin, I've done my best to try and show you the way out. Yes, sometimes we get angry and say things we regret. But in the end, I am the only one who has stayed consistent. I am the ONLY one who has told you THE TRUTH, and tried to show you how you are being lied to in every way I can.

Some day, you'll thank me for it.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi F_S,

No one can ever accuse you of not being succinct !!! Per:

"Yeah, well, Reynolds will be at it for the rest of his miserable life, superimposing his reliably distorted consciousness on every world view to which he is opposed. F*** him. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself."

I applaud the.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

I understand what you are saying also. It sounds like we are in a dialectic similar to the one about when life begins, 1: at conception, or 2: at birth.

I contend the Christian seed started with Mary and Jesus and matured into delivery in later times of Constantine's big meeting.

I think the Christ concept started when Jesus became Baptised and started rejecting parts of the Torah / Talmud distortions. He took up his mission for God then, and rejected the false concepts god of the Torah. With the information Mary tossed in from her associations with Magi and the Royal court insights.

You say Christian did not happen till the delivery of the new ideals in times of Constantine. I ask how can a person start a whole new religion ideal without becoming an automatic member?

I guess he never did totally renouce Judaism, but he sure was hitting hard against its false concepts.

Perhaps we don't need to divide the divine ideas child, as we are basically on the same idea. It matters most that the idea came of age and rose above all others.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi F_S,

Per your comments:

"Well, I sure would appreciate it if the Oak Ridge boys could come up with a way to leave the rest of us out of this nightmare. Let those who are into it have their ideas of Hell. Let them fight with each other. There are a great many people in this world who, being at peace with themselves, have no interest in being forced to participate in the stupid and destructive games of the relentlessly bellicose. Why should the whole world have to suffer for and be held hostage to the hallucinations of a relatively few fanatics?"

Back in a while to finish---phone.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

This is the summary of Ruppert's latest. The rest is available only to subscribers.

As The World Burns

By
Michael C. Ruppert

-- But when the run on the dollar begins, OPEC will inevitably at some point switch its pricing to the Euro, which the entire world is wrangling - much to Europe's chagrin - into not only a safe-haven currency, but a profitable one. The next house is being built before the old one is abandoned. When the run on the dollar begins, it will be as if the rest of the world declared war on the United States of America by launching a missile, dropping a bomb, or landing an army at Bethany Beach, Delaware. That this will lead ultimately to widespread global warfare seems certain. This is exactly the way the administration is setting it up to appear to the American people. Think of 9/11 times fifty.

The rest of the world is merely defending itself with non-violent means - for the moment. But it will be portrayed as an attack upon the US. "Why?" George Bush will ask, rhetorically. "They hate us because of our freedom."

And, barring a miracle, the end results will be exactly the same as from a physical attack: devastation so complete and unthinkable - magnified by the brutal impacts of Peak Oil - that only a few will even try to prepare for it. That is sad because preparation will make all the difference (barring luck or divine intervention) in who survives and to what extent they remain intact and functioning afterwards.

[foot_soldier]

halva wrote:
.....Helen Caldicott is fine on facts, but she is a lobbyist who does not understand that the system she is trying to lobby is not lobbyable but merely an intricate configuration of organized paralysis.....
Well, on the face of it I'd say that's a fair statement.

"..an intricate configuration of organized paralysis....." Excellent characterization. My guess is that she probably understands this but simply refuses to give in to it. At any rate she's done some very good work and has been at it for about 30 years at this point. For the educational component of her work alone she certainly deserves a great deal of credit.

[halva]

By the way, for all the admirable clarity and power of Michael Ruppert's overall analysis, on the question of nukes, WMDs, etc. I sometimes feel that he too inherits a lot of unexamined assumptions that make his discussion of these matters inferior to what he writes on the subjects he has done more hard thinking about.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2004/12/01/hscout522658.html

Human Activity Tied To Deadly Heat Waves
By Serena Gordon
HealthDay Reporter
Forbes.com
12-1-4

(HealthDayNews) -- While human activity probably isn't directly responsible for the 2003 heat wave that caused thousands of deaths in Europe, British researchers say human influence on the Earth's climate has at least doubled the risk that such protracted hot spells can occur.

In fact, the scientists said, greenhouse gases and other pollutants may have caused up to a fourfold increase in the risk of serious heat waves.

"Our research shows a clear link between human influence on climate and the damaging heat wave of 2003 that led to between 22,000 and 35,000 extra deaths," said study co-author Peter Stott, a climate scientist at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research. "We estimate the risk is increasing rapidly such that by the middle of this century, every other summer will be hotter than 2003 if no serious efforts are made to reduce greenhouse emissions."

Their findings are reported in the Dec. 2 issue of Nature.

The summer of 2003 may have been the hottest on record in Europe in about 500 years, according to the study. As many as 35,000 heat-related deaths were reported that summer, according to an editorial accompanying the article. Economic costs from crop losses and forest fires caused nearly $14 billion worth of damage, according to the editorial.

Using climate models, Stott and his colleagues statistically evaluated weather patterns with and without greenhouse gas emissions. They found that such emissions have at least doubled the risk of heat waves, and could perhaps increase the odds substantially higher.

"We've shown that greenhouse gas emissions, resulting mainly from fossil fuel burning, have increased the risk of heat waves in Europe, such as we saw last year," said Stott.

"We think it is very likely that the risk has more than doubled, and our best estimate is that the risk has already quadrupled. Greenhouse gas emissions have loaded the weather dice, making heat waves much more likely," he concluded.

Does this mean sweltering summers might become inevitable? Stott said it could mean just that, at least for a while.

"Because of the inertia of the climate system, we are already committed to heat waves becoming more common over the next few decades. But if we reduce greenhouse gas emissions, we can prevent further increases and avoid the more serious consequence of very large rates of warming in Europe and other regions of the world," Stott said.

The study "is the first successful attempt to link climate change to a specific extreme event, and to quantify the role of man-made greenhouse gas emissions on such heat wave[s]," said Christoph Schr, chairman of the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science in Switzerland and a co-author of the editorial.

But he also said there are many "uncertainties in applying this model to an extreme event such as the European heat wave," and added, "further studies will be needed to corroborate the paper's conclusions.

However, Schr added that this study brings up an interesting issue: Who's to blame?

"The quantification of the man-made contribution in extreme events might ultimately lead to climate liability claims," said Schr.

A second paper accompanying the Stott study specifically addressed potential liability issues. "A substantial fraction of our current elevated level of carbon dioxide might be traced to products produced and sold or used by only a few dozen major companies," wrote Myles Allen, a physicist at the University of Oxford, and Richard Lord, a London-based negligence attorney.

And, while there's no way to prove that greenhouse emissions directly caused damage today, in the future, the authors said, "We could one day see Californian farmers suing member states of the European Union for authorizing emissions that threatened the security of their water supplies."

Liability issues aside, both Stott and Schr said it's vital that steps be taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"Man-made emissions of greenhouse gases are considered the main driver behind global warming observed during the last 30 to 50 years. These emissions primarily result from the burning of fossil fuels -- oil, gas, coal. Reducing the emissions would ultimately slow down the warming," said Schr.

In the meantime, he recommended that humans try to adapt to the climate change.

"Governments should take actions to implement early warning systems, and to raise the awareness in the population about how to cope with such heat wave events. This could help reduce the negative health and societal implications," said Schr.

[foot_soldier]

Re: Mike Ruppert's latest piece:

.....And, barring a miracle, the end results will be exactly the same as from a physical attack: devastation so complete and unthinkable - magnified by the brutal impacts of Peak Oil - that only a few will even try to prepare for it. That is sad because preparation will make all the difference (barring luck or divine intervention) in who survives and to what extent they remain intact and functioning afterwards.....
I agree with Ruppert. Sadly, and inexcusably in my opinion, the American public is being exhorted to shopspendconsume instead of being adequately informed regarding the very real possibility of an economic meltdown unprecedented in the lives of at least 75% of the current population.

Here's another commentary just received via e-mail:

December 1, 2004
Economic "Armageddon" Predicted by Chief Economist at Morgan Stanley
By BRETT ARENDS
On State Street
The Boston Herald

Stephen Roach, the chief economist at investment banking giant Morgan Stanley, has a public reputation for being bearish.

But you should hear what he's saying in private.

Roach met select groups of fund managers downtown last week, including a group at Fidelity.

His prediction: America has no better than a 10 percent chance of avoiding economic "Armageddon."

Press were not allowed into the meetings. But the Herald has obtained a copy of Roach's presentation. A stunned source who was at one meeting said, "it struck me how extreme he was - much more, it seemed to me, than in public."

Roach sees a 30 percent chance of a slump soon and a 60 percent chance that "we'll muddle through for a while and delay the eventual Armageddon."

The chance we'll get through OK: one in 10. Maybe.

In a nutshell, Roach's argument is that America's record trade deficit means the dollar will keep falling. To keep foreigners buying T-bills and prevent a resulting rise in inflation, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan will be forced to raise interest rates further and faster than he wants.

The result: U.S. consumers, who are in debt up to their eyeballs, will get pounded.

Less a case of "Armageddon," maybe, than of a "Perfect Storm."

Roach marshaled alarming facts to support his argument.

To finance its current account deficit with the rest of the world, he said, America has to import $2.6 billion in cash. Every working day.

That is an amazing 80 percent of the entire world's net savings.

Sustainable? Hardly.

Meanwhile, he notes that household debt is at record levels.

Twenty years ago the total debt of U.S. households was equal to half the size of the economy.

Today the figure is 85 percent.

Nearly half of new mortgage borrowing is at flexible interest rates, leaving borrowers much more vulnerable to rate hikes.

Americans are already spending a record share of disposable income paying their interest bills. And interest rates haven't even risen much yet.

You don't have to ask a Wall Street economist to know this, of course. Watch people wielding their credit cards this Christmas.

Roach's analysis isn't entirely new. But recent events give it extra force.

The dollar is hitting fresh lows against currencies from the yen to the euro.

Its parachute failed to open over the weekend, when a meeting of the world's top finance ministers produced no promise of concerted intervention.

It has farther to fall, especially against Asian currencies, analysts agree.

The Fed chairman was drawn to warn on the dollar, and interest rates, on Friday.

Roach could not be reached for comment yesterday. A source who heard the presentation concluded that a "spectacular wave of bankruptcies" is possible.

Smart people downtown agree with much of the analysis. It is undeniable that America is living in a "debt bubble" of record proportions.

But they argue there may be an alternative scenario to Roach's. Greenspan might instead deliberately allow the dollar to slump and inflation to rise, whittling away at the value of today's consumer debts in real terms.

Inflation of 7 percent a year halves "real" values in a decade.

It may be the only way out of the trap.

Higher interest rates, or higher inflation: Either way, the biggest losers will be long-term lenders at fixed interest rates.

You wouldn't want to hold 30-year Treasuries, which today yield just 4.83 percent.

[foot_soldier]

Re: Human Activity Tied to Deadly Heat Waves:

....."Man-made emissions of greenhouse gases are considered the main driver behind global warming observed during the last 30 to 50 years. These emissions primarily result from the burning of fossil fuels -- oil, gas, coal. Reducing the emissions would ultimately slow down the warming," said Schr.....
Yes. It's the rate of change that is important at this juncture.

[The Shadow]

The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of Jay Reynolds. For one thing, if you are a Christian, then so is Osama Bin Laden. You, Mr. Reynolds, here, are exercising the only visible attempts at control. You feed on the pain, which you gleefully inflict upon those within your wretched grasp. Your tirades are conspicuously reminiscent of those found in all of the bad scripts pulled out of every low-budget psychological thriller in the vault.

Mr. Reynolds, you speak of “science� and “truth.� Sadly, at one time, so did “researchers� at Merck. How the mighty have since fallen. Like so many in the scientific community, it is very likely that most of what you present is merely “accepted� truth; that which has been “authorized� through the “purchase� of knowingly tainted “studies.� By itself, Mr. Reynolds, the malevolence that visibly exudes from every fiber of your being is reason enough for any rational person to dismiss as “Vioxx� anything you may have to offer.

One can only imagine what it is that you have to offer to your family, Mr. Reynolds. If it is anything akin to the bile that drips from your fingertips and onto your keyboard, life on the farm must certainly be pure hell on earth.

Perhaps it would ease your soul to get off your chest the burden of your involvement in the death of William Cooper. You stuck to him like glue, did you not, Mr. Reynolds? Through thick and thin, you surely did your best to try showing him the way out... ALL the way out...

The Shadow knows...

[jayreynolds]

Wayne, having failed at debate here, I see you have decided to compound your woes by taking the debate elsewhere. I am happy to comply.
http://www.tampaindymedia.org/bin/site/templates/splash.asp

[The Shadow]

Someone is begging for the next posted article at the Tampa Bay IMC Open News Wire to be entitled “The Other Side of Jay Reynolds.�

A posted compilation of classic message board antics performed by Mr. Reynolds would be quite revealing in the disclosure of his multiple personality disorder. Thereafter, the sight of his online tripe would encourage mostly the sounds of retching from informed people.

This is reality2u, Mr. Reynolds.

The Shadow knows what evil lurks [at] the heart of Jay Reynolds...

[gaiacomm]

I find the link that JR and company posted is quite informative. I like having him on Ignore, it cleans the air. Chemtrails are real!

God is Love!

[gaiacomm]

It has been discussed among learned people that the Jews are the AIDS virus type inflicted as a curse on mankind for not following the simple laws given to man in the beginning!

We must find a cure for AIDS and the Jews!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Folks,

A rather interesting NASA photo of jet planes massive cloud making modifing the climate of the Earth. Persistent jet chemtrails all over the place in the Southern US. Human induced clouds engulf the planet each day.

Wasn't it great of my friends down at NASA to help? Looks like undeniable proof there. Major insurrections against JR and his Jewish Mafia, ah?

NASA admissions that the cloud densities lessen global warming in the daytime via "Mie Scattering" from the clouds. Climate mediation via jet planes is real. Then again the high altitude emissions of jet planes drive global warming and acid rain effects.

Jet plane chemical exhausts screw up the air via CO2 emissions, and SOx and NOx that make acid rain. CO2 increases global warming. The acid rains cause metals to infect the environment and poison things with metals like aluminum, etc..

The really huge problems come from HF and fluorides in the atmosphere and jet planes can also mediate these extremely toxic as well as high global warming factor effects. Fluorides due to their hugh heat capture, mass similar to air, and extremely long air retention (thousands of years) are the top number one problems.

IMHO,
is

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap041013.html

Astronomy Picture of the Day
Discover the cosmos! Each day a different image or photograph of our
fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a
professional astronomer.

2004 October 13


Contrail Clutter over Georgia
Credit: MODIS, Terra Satellite, NASA
Explanation: Artificial clouds made by humans may become so common they
change the Earth's climate. The long thin cloud streaks that dominate the above
satellite photograph of Georgia are contrails, cirrus clouds created by
airplanes. The exhaust of an airplane engine can create a contrail by saturating the
surrounding air with extra moisture. The wings of a plane can similarly create
contrails by dropping the temperature and causing small ice-crystals to form.
Contrails have become more than an oddity - they may be significantly
increasing the cloudiness of Earth, reflecting sunlight back into space by day, and
heat radiation back to Earth even at night. The effect on climate is a topic of
much research. You can help NASA measure the actual abundance of contrails by
participating in a contrail counting exercise that runs over the next two days.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Shadow,

Interesting observation you have there:

"entitled “The Other Side of Jay Reynolds.”"

Have fun !!!

Don't forget to include JR works for the Jewish oil company (NY based Hess Oil) that supplied Patton with the fuel for his tanks to go kill Hitler for the Jews. Real US national security links there.

Also, connect that the entire Manhattan Project (originated also in NY--hince its name) was all founded by Jews for the express purposes to blow up Hitler and Germany. JR and the Jews are highly linked.

Don't forget the Hitlerian tactics JR uses of lists----all kinds of lies, threats, misinformation, scare tactics, hate crimes. His attack partner is even a Jewish-Mason.

You should have enough to put JR in prison on varied counts. Calling all criminologists.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

The Jews are worse than the Aids virus because they have a choice!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

Per your comment:

"The Jews are worse than the Aids virus because they have a choice!"
==========

The Jews and their greed for money and power is a serious problem. Even in the time of Hitler and their kicking out the Jewish Rothchild banking system. The root cause of WWII.

But, you need to be careful Gaia, because you might be a Jew also. If you believe in the god of the Old Testament and take the book of Torah's god as your own------then you are a Jew Gaia.

This is the part of the old Testament that the Islams speak about the Jews corrupting the words and meanings of Moses.

If you are Christ oriented, on the other hand, then you believe in the New Testament and you know full well how all the issues of Revelations are coming to pass.

The real God of Jesus is about the knowledge of the natural order and harmony with that. Those that don't pay heed to that knowledge and respect to the natural order find themselves in this Hell on Earth here lately. Where it is written of huge environmental problems, huge ocean life die off, huge wars and rumors of wars.

Why? Simply because of this corrupted definition of god the Jews seeded into the Old Testament and Torah.

Gaia, are you real sure you are not a Jew in disguise? You might be in need of a little exorcism, if you have not recognized that factor. But you are not alone, lots of the so called US Christian nation falls into the same fallacies. They are Jewish, as they take the first step of Judaism by belief in Torah, they just don't follow with all the holiday tradiation stuff from the Jews.

If you are not, then You can even know that AIDs is also a direct product of the fluorides synergistic effects on metals in the body, that cause HIV to multiply. All related to this central theme.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi,

It appears JR is selling lies in 12-packs these days. Reading all these upside down facts of JR in this Earth Island article of recent.

The dangerous JR, turbine engineer (some say turbin for his magi genie powers) for Jewish Hess oil of NY, seems to tell us that jet engine efficiency has gone up in recent times. Last I looked the efficiency of jet engines was always very very high and one could milk a few tenths of percent out here and there. Sounds like the same half truths he told on CO2 going up from Al based catalysits.

JR also turns the rule of thermodynamics on its ear by claiming that engine efficiency went up, while exhaust temps went down. Engine efficiency goes up with burn temp., which tends to track exhaust temps. The only time they ever change burn temps downward is to tune the chemical constituents in the exhaust plume. Engine efficiency is based on Th vs Tl, with T high being in the thousands of degrees and T low being in the hundreds of degrees, the T high dominates the efficiency equations.

Diddleing the fuel can raise and lower the burn temps, and the hydrogen content. Jet engine T high is limited by materials science.

Lots of people were flying in jet airplanes in the middle 80's, and they were flying the same altitudes, same air moisture levels, and same jet engine efficiencies and there were no man-made jet clouds going from horizon to horizon. I took hundeds of photos from planes in the 80's and spent lots of time flying. There were no jet plumes going way across the skies then. None. I spend lots of time stuck in flight patterns over Atlanta, and there were never these effects back then.

Logic would say that if long contrails were forming back then, then everyone would have been seeing them----perhaps a little less in density. Same mechanisms were in place. But they were not there.

Now--fuel chemtrails are even on postage stamps and in news and movie films.

And Jewish oil related twelve packs of lies are free on the internet.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

Per your comment:

"The Jews are worse than the Aids virus because they have a choice!"
==========

The Jews and their greed for money and power is a serious problem. Even in the time of Hitler and their kicking out the Jewish Rothchild banking system. The root cause of WWII.

But, you need to be careful Gaia, because you might be a Jew also. If you believe in the god of the Old Testament and take the book of Torah's god as your own------then you are a Jew Gaia.

This is the part of the old Testament that the Islams speak about the Jews corrupting the words and meanings of Moses.

If you are Christ oriented, on the other hand, then you believe in the New Testament and you know full well how all the issues of Revelations are coming to pass.

The real God of Jesus is about the knowledge of the natural order and harmony with that. Those that don't pay heed to that knowledge and respect to the natural order find themselves in this Hell on Earth here lately. Where it is written of huge environmental problems, huge ocean life die off, huge wars and rumors of wars.

Why? Simply because of this corrupted definition of god the Jews seeded into the Old Testament and Torah.

Gaia, are you real sure you are not a Jew in disguise? You might be in need of a little exorcism, if you have not recognized that factor. But you are not alone, lots of the so called US Christian nation falls into the same fallacies. They are Jewish, as they take the first step of Judaism by belief in Torah, they just don't follow with all the holiday tradiation stuff from the Jews.

If you are not, then You can even know that AIDs is also a direct product of the fluorides synergistic effects on metals in the body, that cause HIV to multiply. All related to this central theme.

IMHO,
is


Excellent Post! I am part Hebrew not Jewish!

[gaiacomm]

Religious differences and ignorance has killed more people over time than all the diseases and wars that have ever plagued mankind in history!

[whitemajikman]

Religious differences and ignorance has killed more people over time than all the diseases and wars that have ever plagued mankind in history!


The where does the likes of Jim Phelps whom has focused solely on Jews come in Gaia?

Is his tirades not a form of religious indifference?

And are you not being just a bit hypocritical in agreeing with him.....?

Or could it be that what influences you has nothing to do with religion,and more to do with your strong dislike of J.R. ..........?

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Hi Gaia,

Per your comment:

"The Jews are worse than the Aids virus because they have a choice!"
==========

The Jews and their greed for money and power is a serious problem. Even in the time of Hitler and their kicking out the Jewish Rothchild banking system. The root cause of WWII.

But, you need to be careful Gaia, because you might be a Jew also. If you believe in the god of the Old Testament and take the book of Torah's god as your own------then you are a Jew Gaia.

This is the part of the old Testament that the Islams speak about the Jews corrupting the words and meanings of Moses.

If you are Christ oriented, on the other hand, then you believe in the New Testament and you know full well how all the issues of Revelations are coming to pass.

The real God of Jesus is about the knowledge of the natural order and harmony with that. Those that don't pay heed to that knowledge and respect to the natural order find themselves in this Hell on Earth here lately. Where it is written of huge environmental problems, huge ocean life die off, huge wars and rumors of wars.

Why? Simply because of this corrupted definition of god the Jews seeded into the Old Testament and Torah.

Gaia, are you real sure you are not a Jew in disguise? You might be in need of a little exorcism, if you have not recognized that factor. But you are not alone, lots of the so called US Christian nation falls into the same fallacies. They are Jewish, as they take the first step of Judaism by belief in Torah, they just don't follow with all the holiday tradiation stuff from the Jews.

If you are not, then You can even know that AIDs is also a direct product of the fluorides synergistic effects on metals in the body, that cause HIV to multiply. All related to this central theme.

IMHO,
is


Jim you are truly Fucked up.......

more so than you were a few years back,when we discussed photography and color schemes on a different message board..........

your no whistle-blower you never have been ,nor have you experienced any of the things that you claim to have.

Jim Phelps is a pseudonym for FRED PHELPS HATE MONGER .

Everybody take note because today is the day that JIM gets outed as the FUCKED UP INDIVIDUAL HE IS........

Brief Bio of Pastor Fred Phelps

Fred Phelps was born Nov. 13, 1929, in Meridian, Mississippi. Graduated Meridian High at 16 with highest academic honors, American Legion Citizenship Award, track letter, Bausch-Lomb Science Award, Eagle Scout, Principal Appointment to West Point Military Academy. The summer following graduation, he had a profound religious experience, gave up West Point, enrolled instead for Bible/ministerial training at Bob Jones College, Cleveland, Tennessee (later moving with them as they transitioned to Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina). Ordained by the Southern Baptists Sept. 8, 1947. Met his wife, Margie M. Phelps, in 1951 while preaching at the Arizona Bible Institute in Phoenix, Arizona. Their marriage May 15, 1952 has been blessed of God with 13 children, 52 grandchildren (to date) and one great-grandchild (to date). Has served as Pastor of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, since Nov. 1955. WBC has conducted more than 22,000 picketing demonstrations across America and some foreign countries during the past 12 years -- aimed at showing Americans their transgression (Isa. 58:1) and causing America to know her abominations. Ezek. 16:2.

Fred Phelps is a Five-Point Calvinist who urges all people to carefully study and discern what are the signs of the times (Mat. 16:3) in the light of the Scriptures rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15) and church history from Adam to now. For more biographical info, pictorial record including stills and video footage, and to hear his sermons -- Bread from Westboro Oven -- please consult www.godhatesfags.com, www.godhatesamerica.com, and www.fredthemovie.com.

http://www.baptistwatch.org/fredphelps.html

http://www.blacktable.com/daulerio030401.htm

http://www.geocities.com/stopphelps/

[whitemajikman]

Actually it's probably Fred JAMES Phelps Jr.............Freds son...........

But I think you can make a connection on HOW JIMBO here got so fucked up........

Especially when it comes to his extreme religious views.........

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

"Excellent Post! I am part Hebrew not Jewish!"
========

Me too, distantly, but don't tell anyone.

Thanks Gaia. Usually when someone flys the "Gaia" flag, they know the natural order God association to the Earth. We are a symbiotic system.

Just wanted to be sure.

Now, if all these alledged US Christian nation types can pick up on the message of Revelations being about disrespect of the natural order. We might one day get past being in Hell.

IMHO,
is

[whitemajikman]

BOY DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR JIMBO.........

About The Westboro Baptist Church


At the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard, they held up signs reading "No Fags in Heaven" and "God Hates Fags." According to their Web site, they have staged "20,000" protests across the nation and around the world in the last decade. They believe that "God's hatred is one of His holy attributes." They are the congregants of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.

Incorporated in 1967 as a not-for-profit organization, the virulently homophobic Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) considers itself an "Old School (or, Primitive)" Baptist Church. The Church is led by the septuagenarian Reverend Fred Waldron Phelps Sr., and many WBC congregants are related to Phelps by blood. His wife, several of his children and dozens of his grandchildren frequent the church.

While WBC has picketed the gay community at hundreds of events nationwide, most of the individuals protested by the Church are not homosexual. In fact, WBC most often targets people it mistakenly claims are gay or those it believes to be encouraging homosexuality. Many WBC fliers emphasize the race or religion of these individuals, suggesting that the Church's hate spreads beyond its abhorrence of homosexuality. What appears to be anti-gay rhetoric is often a vehicle for WBC's anti-Semitism, hatred of other Christians, and even racism, though in the 1980s Fred Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP for his work on behalf of Black clients.

Trained as a lawyer, Fred Phelps was disbarred in 1979 by the Kansas Supreme Court, which asserted that he had "little regard for the ethics of his profession." The formal complaint against Phelps charged that he misrepresented the truth in a motion for a new trial in a case he had brought, and that he held the defendant in the case up to "unnecessary public ridicule for which there is no basis in fact." Following his disbarment from Kansas State courts, Phelps continued to practice law in Federal courts. In 1985, nine Federal court judges filed a disciplinary complaint charging him and six of his family members, all attorneys, with making false accusations against them. The Phelpses fought the complaint but lost. In 1989, Fred Phelps agreed to surrender his license to practice law in Federal court in exchange for the Federal judges allowing the other members of his family to continue practicing in Federal court.

In 1991, WBC staged its first public demonstration, targeting a park in Topeka allegedly frequented by gays. Thousands of protests have followed, and WBC shows no sign of slowing down. In addition to speeches on the picket lines, the Church spreads its hateful message via faxed fliers and "News Releases." These faxed documents also appear at WBC's notorious Web site, Godhatesfags.com, along with photos of Church pickets and a schedule of upcoming demonstrations. A second WBC Web site, Godhatesamerica.com, contends that the United States is "doomed" because it supports gays. According to Fred Phelps, "God invented the Internet for us to preach on."

The following quotations from WBC materials and other sources expose the Church's views on Jews, gays, Blacks, Christians and the United States. WBC's own words best demonstrate the wide range and disturbing nature of its hatred.

On Jews
"Whatever righteous cause the Jewish victims of the 1930s-40s Nazi Holocaust had, (probably miniscule, compared to the Jewish Holocausts against Middle Passage Blacks, African Americans and Christians -- including the bloody persecution of Westboro Baptist Church by Topeka Jews in the 1990s), has been drowned in sodomite semen. American taxpayers are financing this unholy monument to Jewish mendacity and greed and to filthy fag lust...Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi Germany...just as they now dominate this doomed U.S.A....The Jews now wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by a divine judicial stroke...And god has smitten Jews with a certain unique madness, whereby they are an astonishment of heart, a proverb, and a byword (the butt of jokes and ridicule) among all peoples whither the Lord has driven and scattered them...Jews, thus perverted, out of all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite agenda...The American Jews are the real Nazis (misusers and abusers of governmental power) who hate God and the rule of law."

-- "WBC to picket Holocaust Memorial Sodomite Museum in D.C. Jan. 20," WBC "News Release," December 26, 1996

"The only true Jews are Christians. The rest of the people who claim to be Jews aren't, and they are nothing more than typical, impenitent sinners, who have no Lamb. As evidence of their apostacy [sic], the vast majority of Jews support fags. Of course, there are Jews who still believe God's law, but most of them have even departed from that."

-- "FAQ," WBC "Godhatesfags.com" Web site

"As Hitler controlled the courts, prosecutors and police (Gestapo) in persecuting German Jews, so do Topeka Jews today in persecuting Baptists. As first century Jews stirred up the Roman tyrants in persecuting the primitive church, so do Topeka Jews today stir up Kansas tyrants in persecuting Westboro Baptists. They whine about the Nazi Holocaust, while they perpetrate the Topeka Holocaust."

-- "Topeka's Baptist Holocaust," WBC flier, March 23, 1996

"The Jew lawyers and judges of Temple Beth Sholom bastardize and prostitute the legal system to maliciously prosecute and persecute innocent Westboro Baptists, just as their Jewish ancestors manipulated the Roman legal system to torture and crucify the Lord Jesus Christ and persecute His disciples. The Jew psychiatrists and other shyster brain-washers of Temple Beth Sholom write columns and conduct seminars to vilify and slander innocent Westboro Baptists, just as their scribes, Rabbis, Pharisees and Sadducees did to the Lord Jesus Christ and his disciples in Bible days...The Jews of Temple Beth Sholom are sinful, greedy, Hell-bound, money-grubbing sodomites; and they have dedicated their synagogue to be a gay and lesbian propaganda mill and recruiting depot, soliciting young people to sodomy."

-- "Westboro Baptists will picket the Jewish Arts Festival at Jewish Community Center...Temple Beth Sholom for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur," WBC "News Release,"
September 7, 1996

"Fag Jew Nazis are worse than ordinary Nazis. They've had more experience. Jews stirred up the Romans to butcher 6 million Christians in the catacombs in the 1st century. The First Holocaust was a Jewish Holocaust against Christians. The latest Holocaust is by Topeka Jews against WBC..."

-- "Topeka's Dominant Fag Jew Masters are now agitating for: Same-Sex Fag Jew Marriage!" WBC flier, April 19, 1996

"Worldwide Jewry and worldwide Fagery [sic] appear to have the same problem: They both want to criminalize Gospel preaching under misleading labels. Jews label Gospel preaching as Anti-Semitism; Fags label Gospel preaching as 'Hate Crimes.' Both groups -- Fags and Jews -- are doomed!...WBC buys trees for Israel. WBC prays for the peace of Jerusalem. But isn't there a logical correlation between Jewish tyranny & Anti-Semitism?"

-- "An appeal to Pres. Clinton and Prime Minister Netanyahu," WBC "News Release," June 10, 1997

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/print.asp

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The real reason for chemtrails---getting the fluorides out of the skies. Rain them out, complex them out with Al.

Why did LLNL's Teller want Al in the skies that would reflect nearly Zero IR by scattering? Jewish and Manhattan Project's Teller was the master of half-truths.

Al is the sorbent of HF, which is steadily rising over the poles.

The main trigger for the exponential CO2 effects from the pole melts. Differential heating problems---alterations in the jet stream from the differential effects. The reason for HAARP.

IMHO,
is

http://uk.encarta.msn.com/media_121634781_761555692_-1_1/Hydrogen_Fluoride_Gas_in_the_Atmosphere.html

The various concentrations of hydrogen fluoride (HF) gas in the upper atmosphere of the Earth are shown here. The weakest concentrations are in the lower latitudes around the equator and tropics; concentrations increase towards the poles where they are densest. As HF gas contains no chlorine atoms it has no ozone depleting effect. However, it is a powerful greenhouse gas and greatly contributes to global warming. From this image, a processing of data collected by NASA satellites, it is clear that the largest quantities of HF gas are to be found around Antarctica, where the levels of ozone are at their lowest (the white circle at the pole indicates no satellite data).

===

http://www.fluoridealert.org/pollution/1332.html

New Greenhouse Gas Identified, Potent and Rare (but Expanding)

The New York Times
Friday 28 July 2000

New Greenhouse Gas Identified, Potent and Rare (but Expanding)

by Andrew C. Revkin

Scientists have found rising concentrations of a newly identified gas in the
air that traps heat more effectively than all other known greenhouse gases,
the dozens of compounds released by industry and the burning of fuels that act
like a greenhouse roof and may be warming the global climate.

The synthetic gas is extremely rare, so far reaching concentrations just over
one-tenth of one part per trillion of air, according to a paper published
today in the journal Science.

But it still poses potential problems, the paper's authors say, because
concentrations of the gas are rising quickly, the gas probably takes more than
1,000 years to break down and its source -- although certainly from human activity
-- is a mystery.

[whitemajikman]

God Hates Who?
Readers sent us more information on Fred Phelps, the lunatic antigay pastor from Topeka, Kan., whose press releases celebrated the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia. (Our item yesterday got Phelps's first name wrong, but we've corrected it.) The Topeka Capital-Journal has an extensive series of investigative reports under the heading "Loving God's Hate: An in-depth look at Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church."

Phelps's Godhatesfags.com site seems to have gone down since we posted yesterday's column, but another WBC site, GodhatesAmerica.com, is still available, with a rant about the Columbia right at the top. Another Web site, Godhatesfundies.com ("fundies" being a derisive nickname for fundamentalists), features a nine-chapter "exposé" on Phelps.

And here's another San Francisco connection. One Capital-Journal story, from November 2000, reports that Phelps was once a supporter of Al Gore. "He was strong pro-life, and he said he wasn't going to accept any money from homosexual groups, and things of that nature," Phelps tells the paper. Gore later moved left on social issues and lost Phelps's support, but he did carry San Francisco by a margin of 59.44% of the vote.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

The real reason for chemtrails---getting the fluorides out of the skies. Rain them out, complex them out with Al.

Why did Teller want Al in the skies that would reflect nearly Zero IR by scattering? Teller was the master of half-truths.

IMHO,
is

http://uk.encarta.msn.com/media_121634781_761555692_-1_1/Hydrogen_Fluoride_Gas_in_the_Atmosphere.html

The various concentrations of hydrogen fluoride (HF) gas in the upper atmosphere of the Earth are shown here. The weakest concentrations are in the lower latitudes around the equator and tropics; concentrations increase towards the poles where they are densest. As HF gas contains no chlorine atoms it has no ozone depleting effect. However, it is a powerful greenhouse gas and greatly contributes to global warming. From this image, a processing of data collected by NASA satellites, it is clear that the largest quantities of HF gas are to be found around Antarctica, where the levels of ozone are at their lowest (the white circle at the pole indicates no satellite data).

===

http://www.fluoridealert.org/pollution/1332.html

New Greenhouse Gas Identified, Potent and Rare (but Expanding)

The New York Times
Friday 28 July 2000

New Greenhouse Gas Identified, Potent and Rare (but Expanding)

by Andrew C. Revkin

Scientists have found rising concentrations of a newly identified gas in the
air that traps heat more effectively than all other known greenhouse gases,
the dozens of compounds released by industry and the burning of fuels that act
like a greenhouse roof and may be warming the global climate.

The synthetic gas is extremely rare, so far reaching concentrations just over
one-tenth of one part per trillion of air, according to a paper published
today in the journal Science.

But it still poses potential problems, the paper's authors say, because
concentrations of the gas are rising quickly, the gas probably takes more than
1,000 years to break down and its source -- although certainly from human activity
-- is a mystery.



Come on JIMBO......

what happened ......?

Now your back to posting Scientific articles.....

What happened to the Anti-Jewish ones.........?

Who do you think your fooling.........

You might as well Admit who you are.......

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

"Excellent Post! I am part Hebrew not Jewish!"
========

Me too, distantly, but don't tell anyone.

Thanks Gaia. Usually when someone flys the "Gaia" flag, they know the natural order God association to the Earth. We are a symbiotic system.

Just wanted to be sure.

Now, if all these alledged US Christian nation types can pick up on the message of Revelations being about disrespect of the natural order. We might one day get past being in Hell.

IMHO,
is


Thank you!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://users.ev1.net/%7Eseektress/dec1201.htm

[gaiacomm]

http://users.ev1.net/%7Eseektress/dec1201.htm


Excellent link and data! Its amazing how this environment can take all of this crap! Poor Mother Earth she just wanted us to take care of the surface and we cannot even do that!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gaia,

"Never Again"=reason for Hiroshima.

Jews wanted to demonstrate their Manhattan Project bomb and that US would use it.

Freedom=Knowledge


IMHO,
is

[halva]

I find the link that JR and company posted is quite informative. I like having him on Ignore, it cleans the air.

Certainly. Why not just have Jim Phelps monitoring him?

[halva]

Public have say on climate change.

Ross Finnie is launching a public consultation into climate change.

The Scottish Executive is launching a consultation on whether new measures are needed to tackle climate change.

Environment Minister Ross Finnie said he wants to hear the public's views on whether more needs to be done to reduce greenhouse gases in Scotland.

Latest figures revealed there was a 6% fall in emissions from 1990 to 2002.

However, the Scottish Greens claim gases such as carbon dioxide are on the increase and they are about to be made worse by the building of more roads.

They want road projects like the M74 extension and the Aberdeen Bypass cancelled until the consultation is complete.

They have also called for more emphasis to be put on producing renewable energy.

We need to convince everybody - individual citizens, businesses, all organisations - that they are going to play their part

Green MSPs said Scotland was making a "pitiful" contribution to the global battle against climate change but welcomed Mr Finnie's announcement.

Environment spokesman Mark Ruskell said: "At long last the executive will be officially open to scrutiny on its pitiful record on climate change.

"As the executive appears bent on a massive programme of producing more pollution, I hope this review will iron out the contradictions at the heart of the executive's current programme.

"At least there is some admission that more can be done."

Mr Finnie told BBC Radio's Good Morning Scotland programme: "I'm not suggesting that we've done enough, that's why I'm very anxious to be launching this consultation so that we can put together an even more ambitious programme than we currently have.

"At the end of the day if we're going to achieve successes in reducing our emissions it's not just for government to set the pace, we need to convince everybody - individual citizens, businesses, all organisations - that they are going to play their part."

He added that 70% of the current planned transport spending programme will be invested in public transport, helping to cut the number of single car journeys.

[whitemajikman]

Public have say on climate change.

Ross Finnie is launching a public consultation into climate change.

The Scottish Executive is launching a consultation on whether new measures are needed to tackle climate change.

Environment Minister Ross Finnie said he wants to hear the public's views on whether more needs to be done to reduce greenhouse gases in Scotland.

Latest figures revealed there was a 6% fall in emissions from 1990 to 2002.

However, the Scottish Greens claim gases such as carbon dioxide are on the increase and they are about to be made worse by the building of more roads.

They want road projects like the M74 extension and the Aberdeen Bypass cancelled until the consultation is complete.

They have also called for more emphasis to be put on producing renewable energy.

We need to convince everybody - individual citizens, businesses, all organisations - that they are going to play their part

Green MSPs said Scotland was making a "pitiful" contribution to the global battle against climate change but welcomed Mr Finnie's announcement.

Environment spokesman Mark Ruskell said: "At long last the executive will be officially open to scrutiny on its pitiful record on climate change.

"As the executive appears bent on a massive programme of producing more pollution, I hope this review will iron out the contradictions at the heart of the executive's current programme.

"At least there is some admission that more can be done."

Mr Finnie told BBC Radio's Good Morning Scotland programme: "I'm not suggesting that we've done enough, that's why I'm very anxious to be launching this consultation so that we can put together an even more ambitious programme than we currently have.

"At the end of the day if we're going to achieve successes in reducing our emissions it's not just for government to set the pace, we need to convince everybody - individual citizens, businesses, all organisations - that they are going to play their part."

He added that 70% of the current planned transport spending programme will be invested in public transport, helping to cut the number of single car journeys.


The problem with this Wayne is what does the Public really know about climate change.....?

Besides what the kook environmentalist's and political power mongers have been promoting......

By the way you are in that KOOK environmentalist column.

the reasons are obvious.........

One of them is because you have decided that what you believe is actually fact,when the reality is that many notable Scientist's have rebuked you and actually have ridiculed your stance.

Especially when it comes to climate change and chemtrail hoax.

WMM

[gaiacomm]

Certainly. Why not just have Jim Phelps monitoring him?


That's a novel Idea!

[gaiacomm]

Brazil with its exceptional record of managing its countries policies and people should be strongly considered to become part and a voting member of the UN Security Council. After all they have Nuclear weapons and other Super Power toys!

They are a fine example of great people and great government. The Brazilian culture is far better in ethics and standards than even most of the current members even now serving on the council!

[jayreynolds]

.The dangerous JR, turbine engineer (some say turbin for his magi genie powers) for Jewish Hess oil of NY, seems to tell us that jet engine efficiency has gone up in recent times. Last I looked the efficiency of jet engines was always very very high and one could milk a few tenths of percent out here and there.

Well, Jimbo, your madness is only eclipsed by your failure to do proper research. The fact is that aircraft engines have made tremendous progress in efficiency. The majority have been due to increased pressure ratios, materials and design.


JR also turns the rule of thermodynamics on its ear by claiming that engine efficiency went up, while exhaust temps went down. Engine efficiency goes up with burn temp., which tends to track exhaust temps. The only time they ever change burn temps downward is to tune the chemical constituents in the exhaust plume. Engine efficiency is based on Th vs Tl, with T high being in the thousands of degrees and T low being in the hundreds of degrees, the T high dominates the efficiency equations.

Jimbo, again you get a failing grade. I stated:
"Ironically, technical advances in engine efficiency have resulted in jet engines that burn fuel more completely, thus combining more hydrogen with oxygen and yielding more water for contrail formation. Better engines also have resulted in cooler exhaust temperatures, making it easier for the contrails to form."

I note you didn't complain about how MORE water vapor is produced as combustion becomes more stoichiometric, because you know that is a fact.

IN FACT, MORE WATER IS PRODUCED BY A MODERN JET ENGINE THAN THE WEIGHT OF FUEL IT CARRIES!

IT IS A FACT AS WELL THAT EXHAUST TEMPERATURE OF THE MOST MODERN GENERATIONS OF AIRCRAFT ARE DECREASING, DUE TO DESIGN CHANGES, EVEN AS COMBUSTION TEPERATURE IS INCREASING!

YOU ARE STUCK IN A TIME WARP, JIMBO.
NOT MANY 707'S AROUND ANYMORE.
GUESS WHY?
THINK SECOND GENERATION HIGH BYPASS TURBOFAN!


Lots of people were flying in jet airplanes in the middle 80's, and they were flying the same altitudes, same air moisture levels, and same jet engine efficiencies and there were no man-made jet clouds going from horizon to horizon. I took hundeds of photos from planes in the 80's and spent lots of time flying. There were no jet plumes going way across the skies then. None. I spend lots of time stuck in flight patterns over Atlanta, and there were never these effects back then.

Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo, you really ARE a newbie, aren't you? This lastcontention is perhaps the easiest to debunk of all, and is back to square "1" for you. The fact that contrails can persist horizonwide for hours, even days, has been well established since WWII, perhaps even before. I challenge you to find EVEN ONE WWII bomber pilot, EVEN ONE, who will disagree. You won't, Jimbo.

By the way, please get up to speed. I always suggest newbies spend about a year studying "Aviation and the Global Atmosphere" before trying to debate me on contrail science. Even at that, most have such a poor grasp of science they still won't have a chance...........and in five years I've just about seen everything there is to see in this hoax.

This isn't just "Jew Science", Jimbo.
It's reality.
Better get used to it.

[jayreynolds]

New Greenhouse Gas Identified, Potent and Rare (but Expanding)
The synthetic gas is extremely rare, so far reaching concentrations just over
one-tenth of one part per trillion of air, according to a paper published
today in the journal Science. .

HOLY MOSES, A HOMEOPATHIC GAS TO WORRY ABOUT!

[halva]

Brazil with its exceptional record of managing its countries policies and people should be strongly considered to become part and a voting member of the UN Security Council. After all they have Nuclear weapons and other Super Power toys!

They are a fine example of great people and great government. The Brazilian culture is far better in ethics and standards than even most of the current members even now serving on the council!

Who says that Brazil has nuclear weapons? Brazil signed a bilateral accord with Argentina not to introduce nuclear weapons to the South American continent.

The tradition (or is it indeed a requirement?) that Security Council status be reserved for 'nuclear powers' is a major contributing factor from the peace-loving UN to the process of nuclear weapons proliferation.

[halva]

Look at this message from an anti-nuclear activist group at Livermore in California:

"We need your help to stop the expansion of plutonium activities at the
Livermore nuclear weapons lab. As you are reading this, the Dept. of
Energy is considering major expansions of nuclear weapons programs and
materials in Livermore. Among other dangerous plans, the Department of
Energy has proposed to *more than double* the plutonium limit at
Livermore Lab to 3,300 pounds. This is enough plutonium to make more
than 300 nuclear bombs. Having this large of an amount of plutonium in
Livermore presents unstudied risks such as making the lab a terrorist
target, leaving the San Francisco Bay area vulnerable to environmental
releases from accidents or routine operations, and provoking other
countries to follow suit and increase their stockpiles of nuclear
materials.

*We need you to take action today to stop the Dept. of Energy from
expanding plutonium activities at Livermore Lab.*

*TAKE ACTION*:
http://capwiz.com/wagingpeace/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=6718276
Click on the link above to send a letter to the Dept. of Energy and
Congress.

Thank you,
Tara Dorabji"

On the one hand this is a genuine threat, and the initiative of trying to do something about it deserving of support from anyone who still wants to think of himself as a citizen. On the other hand the traditionalist lobbying methodology of this activist group (taking seriously of nuclear weapons, evocation of the 'terrorist threat') means that in a sense it is just playing its prescribed role in perpetuating the overall stasis. If volunteer groups, for example, undertake scare-mongering, this merely saves the power structure the expense of hiring professionals to do it for payment. By the same token, the group's putting itself forward as an 'internal enemy' serves as further motivation for the relevant section of the military-industrial complex to continue doing what it was planning to do anyway.

It is part of the activist's lot to persist in activism even in the face of these realities. Better not to blind oneself to them, though.

[hoot]

News Flash!!! POPE to retire and go back to his old job as poison gas chemist for the nazis in the new 4th Riech!!!!Says he is "called" to use his old skills once more to help the new aerosol program reach its' libenstrass goals!!!

[foot_soldier]

December 3, 2004
Low-Sulphur Auto Fuels Standard May Isolate Japan
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28407/story.htm

REUTERS - TOKYO - Japanese refiners will supply the cleanest auto fuel in Asia next year at the risk of lowering output and limiting trade with regional markets that have yet to match its high environmental standards, industry officials said.

Extra desulphurisation process to make low sulphur oil products may also raise prices and reduce supplies to Japan's local market, they said.

Japanese refiners will start supplying gasoline and diesel that contain 10 parts per million (ppm), or 0.001 percent, of sulphur, on Jan. 1 2005, down from 50 ppm, said the country's biggest industry group, Petroleum Association of Japan (PAJ).

"It cost us lots of investment, but it's never too early to do good for our society," a spokesman at PAJ said.

Japanese refiners have spent 300 billion yen ($2.92 billion) to upgrade facilities to meet the tighter standards.

Refiners moved years ahead of tighter government regulations to kick in mainly because of maintenance at their facilities.

The Japanese government requires the oil industry to meet the new standard nationwide by 2008 to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in line with the Kyoto Protocol. Sulphur in fuels is often blamed for greenhouse effects, acid rain and air pollution..... (continued)

December 2, 2004
Smog clouds Beijing's pre-Olympic clean-air target
http://www.keralanext.com/news/?id=72498

Sports News, BEIJING - Thick smog blanketed Beijing on Thursday, triggering flight delays and traffic snarls and spotlighting the city's uphill battle to curb pollution before it hosts the 2008 Olympic Games.

The smog limited visibility to 10 metres in some places, causing the closure of five highways for parts of the day on Wednesday and the delay of hundreds of flights.

Flight boards at Beijing's Capital Airport showed delays and cancellations continuing on Thursday.

"The humidity and cold air leads to this fog, but it is also partly from the pollution problem," said Gan Ning, a climate change expert at the China office of the World Wide Fund for Nature.

China is the world's largest source of soot and sulphur dioxide emissions from coal, which fuels three-quarters of the country's power plants.

Beijing's normally exhaust-choked air worsens in winter as the temperature drops and coal-burning heating plants are lit..... (continued)

[foot_soldier]

December 3, 2004
SCOTLAND: Airports expansion may be grounded to reduce pollution
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/29096-print.shtml

AIRPORTS cannot be allowed unlimited expansion if Scotland is to meet its commitments to cut carbon emissions, Ross Finnie, the environment minister, said yesterday.

Mr Finnie admitted expansion of air services may have to be slowed, but said it would be a difficult balance to strike with the growing economic need for strong access to global markets.

His comments accompanied signals that the executive is moving towards fresh targets to constrain car use in Scotland, in a tougher approach to reducing the impact on climate change from pollution.

Launching a consultation on measures to limit global warming, Mr Finnie said: "Part of our work with this is measurement of pollution in and around our airports, which leads us to (seek) some balance between the nature of the business we do without giving a stimulus to air travel which is not sustainable."

The document published yesterday suggests setting a target for Scotland, as opposed to the current policy of aiming to meet a share of UK commitments to reduce pollution.

Asked if he favoured more targets for reducing car use, Mr Finnie said: "Yes, I am, but I'm concerned about outcomes, and for there to be outcomes there have to be measurements attached to that. You can't set a target which can't be properly measured or is a bit of a myth."

He added that much of the burden for change would fall on the energy and transport sectors, but that others also have responsibilities. So too do householders, with measures such as more efficient insulation and use of electricity..... (continued)

[foot_soldier]

December 1, 2004
Wise Guys
by David Helvarg
http://www.grist.org/advice/books/2004/12/01/helvarg/

In 1988, the Wise Use movement was founded out of fear that George Bush Sr. was going to live up to his campaign pledge to be "the environmental president." This cabal of anti-environmental activists, organized by federally subsidized industries dependent on public lands, issued a natal document, the Wise Use Agenda. It called for, among other things: drilling the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, logging Alaska's Tongass National Forest, opening wilderness to energy development, gutting the Endangered Species Act, and privatizing national parks. Today, the reactionary Wise Use Agenda has become the environmental policy of the administration of George Bush Jr.

One of Wise Use's major contributions to politics has been its deliberate distortion of language, the adaptation of green-sounding names as industry camouflage: the Environmental Conservation Organization (wetlands developers), Concerned Alaskans for Resources and the Environment (the timber industry), and the Greening Earth Society (coal-fired utilities arguing the benefits of global warming). Today, the administration's anti-environmental legislation goes by names like "Healthy Forests" and "Clear Skies," while a combination of industry lobbyists and true believers argue that the same unfettered markets that gave us choking smog and burning rivers in the past have been transformed into the "new environmentalism" of the 21st century. I recently read a government energy report that talked of "the sustainable use of non-renewable resources," and attended a Boston conference where I met consultants who help developers deal with "environmentally challenged sites." Translation: wild places containing rare and endangered species or legally protected wetlands..... (continued)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi All,

We do have the admission from JR that the jet plane industry is directly involved in massive cloud seeding around the world. This cloud seeding is changing the rainfall patterns were the chemtrails are heaviest, and the seeded vapor clouds absorbing the HF in the atmosphere. HF is highly absorbed into water.

This process of cloud seeding and acid absorption makes what Wes Thomas termed "chemtrails." Chemclouds even, massively. The dangers of which Thomas warned are from these acids and poison acids like HF and their affinity with Al.

These highly dense chemtrail methods over the South (as seen in the recent NASA photo of Oct 13, 2004) this past year made for record rainfalls on the areas that also emit the largest amounts of HF from fossil fuels. Jet planes are being used for climate modification. Even NASA sees the effects.

These areas of high jet cloud forming traffic set up density patterns that produce rains over some areas and droughts over other areas. They highly affect Mother Natures processes and normal patterns.

The increased rainfalls with absorbed HF set up the high Al removal via acid rain on ground sources. In fact, the rise of many toxic metals.

Jet plane induced rise in HF induces an extremely dangerous chemical poison that when combined with Al makes for upset of G-protein signaling in cells. It sets up pathways for rising health problems like Alzheimer's, mad cow, and varied immune related illnesses. HF is a systemic poison that disrupts metals metabolism within cells, enzyme repair mechanisms, and the human immune system. It is directly connected to the AIDs pandemic.

Jet chemtrail cloud seeding effects directly drives this HF deposition rate. The chemtrail methods using the jet industry were originally conceived to modify the atmospheric HF levels so as to reduce the polar melt equation due to fluoride high heat retention from the Sun and the F polar sequestration effects. Chemtrail methods (cloud seeding for complexing with acids in air) were conceived to deal synergistically with all fossil fuel derived acids, but particularly to go after the HF.

Just to think that we all have JR to thank for proving jet planes are now being used to promote massive cloud seeding, changing the way rainfall patterns normally occur, and thus enabling litigation toward aircraft companies, jet engine companies, and oil companies for climatic patterns that cause much harm. JR, You have now admitted you are a climate terrorist---one who poisons Americans.

Those "high by-pass" turbofan jet engines like the GE-90 are really something. DC is really proud of those as one is on display at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum, which is right across the street from DOE's-HQ. High by-pass designs hit the air in the 1970's. Most of the thrust comes from the compressor fan by-pass, and the combined effect with the hotter fuel burn makes for cooler total exhaust. New York based General Electric (they own NBC--btw) is really going to love JR's admissions that their jets are making check-mates in the skies, screwing up the rainfall patterns, and adding more poisons to our environment.

It is quite literally a Manhattan Project, all these lines in the skies, to affect global warming by lowering HF in the air and making clouds for Mie scattering, One that I started back in the 80s.

The GE-90 is the culmination of a long long history of chemtrail methods and techniques. Chemtrails techniques have gone through improvements much as the A-bomb designs went through changes from the gun design, to the implosion design, to the super designs. One has to understand the history of chemtrails to see how HAARP fits into things, flourides and jet stream issues, polar ice melts, etc.

All and all, I do think we have the convincing proof for chemtrails, what they are doing with them, and why. Even the full science on how they exist, and their history of development.

Leaving outstanding that JR is a mass poisoner supporter, just like ole Moses was with his volcano derived alchemy from volcanos. Each deceiving massive numbers of people from the real truth. Full of half-truths they are.

Bottom Line, there really are "chemtrails" (because this is the higher truth) and there are lots of "Con-Men" leaving "Con-trials" involved in a huge conspiracy to conceil harm to the planet. It is not nice to attempt to fool with mother nature's perfection, and you can only fool some of the people. And there will be Hell to Pay, when they all wake up to the truth.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

The Brazilian culture is far better in ethics and standards than even most of the current members even now serving on the (UN Security) council!

Discussion on this thread surely gestures in the direction of constructing an English-language political subject.

Is there not something profoundly futile in this habit of ascribing relative moral superiority to other culturally and/or linguistically defined groups?

[gaiacomm]

Who says that Brazil has nuclear weapons? Brazil signed a bilateral accord with Argentina not to introduce nuclear weapons to the South American continent.

The tradition (or is it indeed a requirement?) that Security Council status be reserved for 'nuclear powers' is a major contributing factor from the peace-loving UN to the process of nuclear weapons proliferation.


First rule of government: never tell your enemy what you are thinking!

[jayreynolds]

These highly dense chemtrail methods over the South (as seen in the recent NASA photo of Oct 13, 2004) this past year made for record rainfalls on the areas that also emit the largest amounts of HF from fossil fuels. Jet planes are being used for climate modification. Even NASA sees the effects.

These areas of high jet cloud forming traffic set up density patterns that produce rains over some areas and droughts over other areas. They highly affect Mother Natures processes and normal patterns.

The increased rainfalls with absorbed HF set up the high Al removal via acid rain on ground sources. In fact, the rise of many toxic metals.

Jimbo, I challenge you to prove your point by collecting, with proper control techniques and a public chain of control, rainfall samples showing absorbed HF.

You won't do it, just like you won't provide proof of anything else you claim.

Why should anyone just 'take your word for it'?

[gaiacomm]

Discussion on this thread surely gestures in the direction of constructing an English-language political subject.

Is there not something profoundly futile in this habit of ascribing relative moral superiority to other culturally and/or linguistically defined groups?

No more than Greek society with its wonders!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A little lesson in HF from coal. Or what goes up comes down, but some stays up there around the poles and it is increasing.

Just like jet fuels have acids, so does coal. When DOE got into chemtrails methods, it was over the HF component. We not only got into the ban on freon, but the bans on Halons and other fluoride linked global warming compounds. See Halons and CF-4. http://www.h3r.com/halon/epa_ban_halon.htm

Problems with the CFC Freon replacements and their very high global warming factors. Problems with SF-6. Problems with NF-3 and the long list of others.

DOE shut down Oak Ridge K-25 for their huge HF emission and Freon losses. Halons were once used on aircraft for fire survival----they'd fill the passenger compartment with Halon to give persons time to get out and escape the flames. But like freon, K-25, halon and their fluorine issues----they are no longer acceptable.

Leaving still more problems with coal and other industries that emit F.

IMHO,
is

http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-powerplants.htm

Fluoride Emissions from Coal-Burning Power Plants

Fluoride Emissions from Power Plants
1998 marked the first time in which the electric utilities industry reported their emissions to the EPA. According to their data, Hydrogen fluoride is the 3rd main pollutant, due predominantly to the burning of coal.


(The above chart comes from Clear the Air: The National Campaign Against Dirty Power which issued a report in August 2000 on power plant pollution. See report at http://cta.policy.net/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=18980).

Power Industry Primer on Toxics Release Inventory (pdf file)

Of the chemicals that leave a typical plant through its stacks, and therefore must be reported under the right-to-know program, by far the largest are diluted hydrochloric acid (HCl), hydrogen fluoride (HF), and sulfuric acid (H2 SO4 ).

Electric Power Research Institute - Hydrogen Fluoride.

Hydrogen fluoride from power plants is about 84% of all the hydrogen fluoride from human activities released into the air each year in the United States. Almost all hydrogen fluoride from power plants comes from burning coal. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimates that U.S. power plants burning coal released about 32,100 tons of hydrogen fluoride into the air in 1994.

To the problem of trace elements and hydrocarbons emissions from combustion of coal. J Hyg Epidemiol Microbiol Immunol 1984;28(2):129-38

The air pollution emission data presented here are a result of systematic measurements of actual emissions. The measurement included virtually all larger power plants in Czechoslovakia and were carried out between 1975 and 1981...Apart from organics the condensate was found to contain a relatively large amount of fluoride compounds. There is suspicion that this fluorine may occupy an important position among the factors responsible for the ecologic damage caused by emissions from coal-fired power plants.

Fluoride Pollution from Coal Burning in China Compilation of recent studies, 1990-2001

Recently a huge amount of fluoride in coal has been released into indoor environments by the combustion of coal and fluoride pollution seems to be increasing in some rural areas in China...Since airborne fluoride from the combustion of coal pollutes extensively both the living environment and food, it is necessary to reduce fluoride pollution caused by coal burning. ("Health effects of fluoride pollution caused by coal burning." Sci Total Environ 2001 Apr 23;271(1-3):107-16)

Florida Power Companies Release Pollution Reports: Hydrogen Fluoride 3rd Main Emission Tampa Tribune artuckes June-July 1999
Power to Kill: Death and Disease from Power Plants Charged with Violating the Clean Air Act (pdf file) Clean the Air July 2001
Going Backwards: Bush Expected to Weaken Portions of Clean Air Act Baltimore Sun December 23, 2001
Most Dirty Power Plants Getting Dirtier Clean the Air

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A little common sense lesson in the US political system. Everyone knows the 40s Manhattan Project was designed in New York for the big bomb to blow up Hitler. It was even funded by the big New York banks, the Fed Reserve. Rothschilds and the Jews got the boot from Germany.

Same system applies today. New York bankers are largly behind the chemtrails movement. They know the oil industry is going to get hit one day with liabitlies for sinking the planet. So, there is a hush hush Manhattan Project styled on these fossil fuel problems.

DOE hit the fire alarm in the 80's on the fluoride problems. The chemtrail sprinklers on the fluoride fire are on full force now, along with the Jewish controlled money Mafia trying to shut up the people telling the masses of the problems.

Same system goes into all the money loaned to go blow up Iraq for Israel. It is highly Rothschild/Jewish and Rockefeller/Big Oil oriented. And just like the conflagration from WWII, and all the screaming of fire and interest directed at Europe, there will come a new Japan and sneaks around and blows the US's can off with nuclear weapons this time. Bush don't care much for NK, but he gets lots of money to kill Arabs.

The Natl Debt is an all time high, the war drums are beating in DC, and the country is about to fail on it debt as the dollar sinks like a rock. The big war is coming.

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws." ~ Amschel Mayer Rothschild

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Yes, and IBM also financed Hitler's machine along with other US Corportaions.....Jews are like pigs on a farm some make good pets others good bacon!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Yeah, and so did the Bush types. They all got a piece of the pie from the German technologies.

The more infamous Jews and their more infamous right hand men are going to have need of long prison stays. Racketeers they have become.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Jews are those who are of the faith! My complaint is that the Jews are not the chosen people of this Planet and that they the Jews need to recognize that there have been other nations that have suffered the same fate as the Jews thru time. And still today!

Until the Jews can recognize others that have suffered and until the Jews leave Palestine alone and give back what they have stolen the Jews will be hunted down like dogs and suffer.

A. Sharon the Jew from Israel should be ashamed of himself for being so fat like a pig, people starving in his land that he controls and that fat little man waddles with a full belly.

He is an idiot and should be punished for his war crimes against humanity...and he soon will!

He will be rounded up with the other Jews that commit crimes against others and without the protection of the USA.

Israel is the Bitch of the USA and needs to be slapped like a Bitch!

[jayreynolds]

Well, Deborah and Wayne Hall, how does it feel when your best buddies Demosthenes Liakopoulos, Jim Phelps and Gaiacomm turn out to be rabid racists? Sure does wonders for your credibility, huh? All grist for the mill, right there in Arianna's archives, ready and waiting.

[whitemajikman]

Well, Deborah Stark and Wayne Hall, how does it feel when your best buddies Demosthenes Liakopoulos, Jim Phelps and Gaiacomm turn out to be rabid racists? Sure does wonders for your credibility, huh? All grist for the mill, right there in Arianna's archives, ready and waiting.


You know what they say Jay ,give people a platform ,keep them talking,and in the end their true colors always come to the surface.

Just like these 3 racist's......

The funny thing is everyone already knew that they were racist's except themselves.

NOW Wayne and Deborah must decide if having racist's for allies is feasible to their Morality.

If I was Wayne or Deborah I would be thinking about what these alliances could mean for their future and how people will look upon them now that the cat is out of the bag.

And to JIM,Gaia,and the rest of the racist's.......

Thank-you.

You have done more damage to Wayne Hall's respectability in such short time than any debunker could have.

CHEERS!

WMM

[foot_soldier]

December 3, 2004
Health alerts issued as Beijing splutters through thick smog
http://www.terradaily.com/2004/041203033602.0i4b2ai0.html

People were warned to stay indoors Friday as thick smog blanketed Beijing for a third day, with hospitals reporting increasing numbers of people seeking treatment for respiratory problems.
The grim weather was also causing transport chaos with flights delayed and accidents reported on the roads.

Officials urged people not to drive to avoid worsening the pollution, Xinhua news agency said.

Caused by humid and warm air currents blown down from the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, the mass of smog was hanging over much of north, northeast and southern and southwestern parts of China, state media said.

In the Chinese capital, visibility was down to less than 100 metresfeet) with some areas reporting just 10 metres (33 feet).

The Beijing Environmental Protection Agency issued an alert on its website warning citizens that the smog could result in health issues and urged people to limit their time outdoors.

Hospitals across the city reported a rise in people seeking help for respiratory problems, the Beijing Times said.

"Respiratory disease and infection especially in the elderly and children are caused by the high level of fog, humidity and cold air and because of the high amount of suspended particles," a doctor surnamed Lin from the Haidian Hospital said.

"In the last couple of days in our hospital the numbers of people infected with respiratory diseases has clearly gone up."

The same situation was seen at the Sino-Japanese Hospital, the Dongzhimen Hospital and others, the paper said..... (continued)

[gaiacomm]

You know what they say Jay ,give people a platform ,keep them talking,and in the end their true colors always come to the surface.

Just like these 3 racist's......

The funny thing is everyone already knew that they were racist's except themselves.

NOW Wayne and Deborah must decide if having racist's for allies is feasible to their Morality.

If I was Wayne or Deborah I would be thinking about what these alliances could mean for their future and how people will look upon them now that the cat is out of the bag.

And to JIM,Gaia,and the rest of the racist's.......

Thank-you.

You have done more damage to Wayne Hall's respectability in such short time than any debunker could have.

CHEERS!

WMM


Recovering Racists Network is a project founded by John McKenzie as a step to help in ending racism. Among its aims are to give support to people who believe and are ready to admit that by growing up in a racist culture, there is no way they could have avoided becoming racists themselves...

I have come to understand that I am living in a racist culture and have learned to be a racist, and I want to work diligently to end racism in myself and be an example to others.

I have come to realize that I have directly and indirectly taken part in perpetuating racism.

I have come to realize that I have directly benefited from living in a racist culture.

I wear this badge of racism as a reminder for myself and others that we need to consciously and deliberately acknowledge racism and take the required steps to relinquish and end it.

I wish my actions to be for my own growth and the common good, and I will try not to seek praise from others or absolution from other races for my actions or principles.

As I learn how to free myself from my racist shortcomings, I will share this knowledge and join with others of like mind in working towards the elimination of racism in people and institutions.

[gaiacomm]

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

And may your New Year bring you Joy and Love!

[whitemajikman]

Recovering Racists Network is a project founded by John McKenzie as a step to help in ending racism. Among its aims are to give support to people who believe and are ready to admit that by growing up in a racist culture, there is no way they could have avoided becoming racists themselves...

I have come to understand that I am living in a racist culture and have learned to be a racist, and I want to work diligently to end racism in myself and be an example to others.

I have come to realize that I have directly and indirectly taken part in perpetuating racism.

I have come to realize that I have directly benefited from living in a racist culture.

I wear this badge of racism as a reminder for myself and others that we need to consciously and deliberately acknowledge racism and take the required steps to relinquish and end it.

I wish my actions to be for my own growth and the common good, and I will try not to seek praise from others or absolution from other races for my actions or principles.

As I learn how to free myself from my racist shortcomings, I will share this knowledge and join with others of like mind in working towards the elimination of racism in people and institutions.


Awesome post Gaia,if you ever need some support I am here for you.....

No Bullshit.

WMM

[Yaak]

The Beijing Environmental Protection Agency"The Beijing Environmental Protection Agency" ?

You have got to be kidding me!

That is similar to The Pedophile Child Protection Agency.

[gaiacomm]

Awesome post Gaia,if you ever need some support I am here for you.....

No Bullshit.

WMM


Thank you!

[gaiacomm]

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

And may your New Year bring you Joy and Love!

And to all of you Readers......

[foot_soldier]

December 3, 2004
Dense fog blankets China, affects traffic
http://english.people.com.cn/200412/03/eng20041203_165975.html

A heavy fog has unexpectedly blanked a greater part of China since Tuesday afternoon, disturbing traffic and polluting the air.

The fog, heaviest this winter, is looming over most of northern China, southwest China, northeast China's Liaoning Province and the lower reaches of the Yangtze, China's longest river from west to east, according to the Central Meteorological Station (CMS) Wednesday. Visibility in the above-mentioned regions is less than 400 meters, with the lowest being 10 meters.

CMS expert Yang Keming said that a combined area of 217,000 sq km was affected by the fog. A satellite chart released by CMS Thursday morning shows that north China is still shrouded in mist.

In the past few days, mild and wet air currents kept moving from western China's Qinghai-Tibet plateau to north and east China, increasing humidity and vapor in the lower layers of atmosphere and leading to the thick fog.

In addition, lack of wind in recent days also increased the fog, acknowledged Yang.

Much of the normal social life in the above regions were affected, with air pollution and traffic disorders the top two complaints.

The daily report on air quality in 47 major Chinese cities released by the China Environmental Monitoring Station shows that the number of cities reporting air pollution due to the fog "particulate" has increased drastically in the past three days. And the number of patients suffering from respiratory diseases also climbed in the fog-hit regions..... (continued)

[foot_soldier]

Between the afternoon of November 2 and November 3, 2004, a layer of haze built up in east-central China near the coast of Bo-Hai (the body of water at right). The eastern coastal plain in this part of China is frequently plagued with poor air quality, due to increasing vehicle pollution in large cities like Beijing, coal-fired power plants, and home heating and cooking fires. The location and topography do not help the situation. The mountains to the west trap the haze over the plain, and the meteorological influences in the area often create what’s called a “temperature inversion,� in which the air near the surface is cooler than the air higher in the atmosphere. (Normally, air temperatures decrease with altitude.) Since cooler air has less tendency to rise, the haze can remained trapped near the surface until the weather changes.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Folks,

It appears the person serving the right hand of the rich Jews, JR, is having a real breakdown. Sputtering he is. Off topic.

JR just can't seem to explain about all that turbine work he did for the New York based Hess oil company down in St. Croix. It looks like Hess uses the GE turbines down that way. So, JR did you help to design these turbines to be more efficient? http://www.subsea.org/company/listdetails.asp?companyid=156

Odd that JR's boss owned the New York "JETS" football team, interesting. Guess he liked the big Jets and big fuel use. Not to mention all the "Red Ball" Express stuff for Patton to blow up Hitler. Likely all that line of ships of Hess oil run on GE turbines too.

JR is beginning to sound like "Henry Kissinger" after "Daniel Ellsburg" dumped the "Pentagon Papers" to the NYT's and everyone started accusing Kissinger of Neuremberg type war crimes.

Then all the world found out how corrupted the White House really was, and then all Hell broke loose when the Plumbers got busted. Took Nixon down with them.

Perhaps the infamous JR can pull the same super crimes and take down a US president.

What would be more logical than these GE types helping these big oil types play games with chemtrails to cover up oil company global warming effects using jet planes. And those type ideas coming directly from the DOE in the mid-1980s. Now that would make a huge cover up that JR (and his GE turbines) and his old boss would be involved in. Ole Hess died in 1998. But crude JR is still around causing a huge stink. Infamous he has become.

JR and company are trying despirately to disappear the fact that chemtrails is a decade long ongoing project to mediate the global warming problems. But the truth keeps leaking out and they keep squaking and trying to pull the issues into obscure land.

Was not that NASA photo on massive chemtrails over the US South something?

Oh well. What does one expect from pigs but grunting.

IMHO,
is

[whitemajikman]

JR and company are trying despirately to disappear the fact that chemtrails is a decade long ongoing project to mediate the global warming problems. But the truth keeps leaking out and they keep squaking and trying to pull the issues into obscure land.

You Keep Talking Jim But you never seem to have any solid proof,for your claims.......

Why is that.....?

Also why is that you have quit taking prescription medication for your schizophrenia....?

And how come you have cut your weekly visit's to your shrink to 2 days from the recommended 6 days........

Don't you think that could endanger the public....?

not to mention yourself....?

WMM

[Yaak]

Between the afternoon of November 2 and November 3, 2004, a layer of haze built up in east-central China near the coast of Bo-Hai (the body of water at right). The eastern coastal plain in this part of China is frequently plagued with poor air quality, due to increasing vehicle pollution in large cities like Beijing, coal-fired power plants, and home heating and cooking fires. The location and topography do not help the situation. The mountains to the west trap the haze over the plain, and the meteorological influences in the area often create what’s called a “temperature inversion,� in which the air near the surface is cooler than the air higher in the atmosphere. (Normally, air temperatures decrease with altitude.) Since cooler air has less tendency to rise, the haze can remained trapped near the surface until the weather changes.
They have to keep the shelves at Wal-mart stocked, don't you know? What's a little smoke going to hurt?

[Yaak]

400 completely useless pages!!! :D

(you can't even wipe with them)

[jayreynolds]

JR just can't seem to explain about all that turbine work he did for the Hess oil company down in St. Croix. So, JR did you design these turbines to be more efficient?

The turbines, GE MS5000 models, were pretty darn eficient, especially since we hooked the exhaust up to het recovery steam generators, which made 300& 600psi steam. The combined cycle efficiency was somewhere around 50%. We had seven generating units which made 16 megawatts each, plus a few more MW out of the HRSG's.


Probably our greatest accomplishment was becoming one of the first to successfully burn heavy vacuum gas oil(VGO) as a gas turbine fuel. Normally such fractions are used as cat-cracker feedstocks, but the refinery had an oversupply and asked us to take on the job of using it.

VGO is a heavy, tan colored fuel, this stuff had a high wax content and was the consistency of cold margarine, even on a 90 degree day. Probably the biggest challenge was it's tendency to seize up moving fuel system components, even with 1/2 micron filtration. Filters had to be closely monitored for differential and usually changed every 2-4 hours.

Of course, we burned just about all the standard fuels they threw at us from time to time, offspec stuff, various gases and distillates. The VGO wasa success, and I'm proud of it.
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So, Wayne and Deborah, won't you even bother to say anything about all the racist rants by your buddies here?
Will you be directing all your climate scientist buddies over here to have a look?
I'll be happy to take care of it for you, ha!
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Oh, and you chemmies are getting a good ass-whup over here:
http://www.tampaindymedia.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=404&start=15&sid=6b0b28e4e92b2fd641497b1ee49184f2

[halva]

First rule of government: never tell your enemy what you are thinking!

The implications here are that nuclear weapons proliferation can be expected in South America. Put that on the list of subjects to investigate. If true that only goes to confirm the other comments I made on this subject.

[halva]

Yes, and IBM also financed Hitler's machine along with other US Corportaions.....Jews are like pigs on a farm some make good pets others good bacon!

How about a motion for ignore-listing Gaiacomm if he keeps making comments at this level?

Of course I am not including the views of debunkers, which I can't read anyway, since they are already ignore-listed.