It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature

[whitemajikman]

The world's energy-poor need hydrocarbon fuels
By Philip Stott
(Filed: 27/08/2002)

You are a tribal woman in the Jharkhand region of north-eastern India. Sustaining life has always been tough, but it has become harder of late. Environmentalists, obsessed by what they see as the deforestation of the subcontinent, have imposed a fuel-cutting ban in the protected forest near your village.

It was bad enough for your mother, who had to spend hours bending down, hacking saplings with her small sickle-shaped daoli, but now you can only gather dry, fallen leaves or small twigs from the thorny bush you call putus. You must also go much farther afield to collect your daily fuel needs.

Yet you are probably unaware that you live in a potentially wealthy and powerful country, one with a nuclear deterrent and one that produces some of the finest writers and scientists in the world. You would be even more surprised to learn that your small cooking fires have been blamed recently for causing a brown haze above Asia that is said to be threatening the rich countries of Europe with dire climate change.

You may also find it amusing, if somewhat paradoxical, to discover that your leaves and twigs are called "biomass fuels", and that biomass fuels are being touted as part of a "green" solution to save the world. And you would be amazed that this week more than 60,000 people are sitting down in Johannesburg, South Africa, at a United Nations' World Summit on Sustainable Development, the "Earth Summit 2002", to discuss both you and the planet.

But, "unknown citizen", you are not alone. While food is more affordable for most, you are one of the three billion people who must survive on less than £2 a day. Overall, the average expectancy of life at birth has doubled during the past two centuries, although you know personally some of the 800 million who are chronically undernourished.

And you share with 1.3 billion a lack of access to safe, clean drinking water, so that two million people, mainly children, die each year of water-borne diseases. But, above all, along with a quarter of the world's population, you have no supply of power or electricity for your daily needs. You must laboriously garner and burn dung or wood to heat your hearth, light your darkness, and cook your food. You are one of the energy poor.

In The Ultimate Resource 2, Julian Simon describes energy as the "master resource", and he argues that "if the cost of usable energy is low enough, all other important resources can be made plentiful". For the past 200 years, this master resource has been energy derived from hydrocarbons, from coal, oil and gas.

Although at first taking a toll through miners' lives, this energy eventually freed from drudgery our European fuel gatherers, the equivalents of our "unknown citizen", who are so poignantly portrayed in Millet's charcoal drawing of Women Carrying Fagots and Monet's c.1864 oil painting, Road in the Forest with Wood Gatherers. If the Earth Summit does nothing to liberate the Asian and African fuel gatherers from their burdens, then it will have failed abysmally.

But, unfortunately, energy could prove to be one of the most contentious issues at the summit, because environmentalists have decreed hydrocarbons to be the new witchcraft behind "global warming" and "unsustainability", despite the fact, so well argued by Robert L Bradley, Jr in a new book, Sustainable Development: Promoting Progress or Perpetuating Poverty?, that the hydrocarbon age is in its infancy.

Even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has calculated that total cumulative world consumption of hydrocarbons constitutes only 1.4 per cent of what is thought to remain. Moreover, new members of the hydrocarbon family are coming on-stream, such as the so-called "fourth fossil fuel", Orimulsion, a tar-like oil the estimated reserves of which are greater than the global supply of crude oil on an energy-equivalent basis.

And yet further, there is the increasing flexibility of hydrocarbons, which is augmenting significantly the amount of economically recoverable material, as with natural gas. But environmentalists do not want hydrocarbons. They advocate instead "renewable energy", while at the same time opposing the very renewable energy projects they propose.

Hydroelectric power is rejected because it involves the re-settlement of local people, interrupts fish migration, and causes loss of habitat. Wind farms are rightly attacked because they destroy some of the last remaining wilderness and can kill birds. Tidal barrages disrupt estuarine ecosystems, while geothermal projects mar sensitive ecological areas.

Yet other "renewables" remain more fantasy than reality, with most photovoltaic, solar, cells, for example, producing less energy in their lifetime than is needed to make them in the first place. Big alternatives, such as nuclear fission and fusion, are, of course, rejected out of hand.

With more than a quarter of the world's population classed as "energy poor", we must have growth in energy use. And, just as economic growth has removed the heavy burden from the bent back of Millet's wood gatherer, so too it must be allowed, unfettered by environmental myths, to replace the leaves, twigs and choking smoke of millions of fires.

And what of the Asian brown haze that has so suddenly been brought to our attention? Known already in the early 1980s by US pilots flying out of their base at Diego Garcia, this haze has probably been around for hundreds of years, fed by the fires of our "unknown citizen" and of the billions who have lived before her on the great Asian continent.

This is therefore a plea for our "unknown citizen", knowledge of whose life is based on the outstanding work of Dr Sarah Jewitt of Nottingham University. Blessed are the poor in energy, for they, like us, will become rich in hydrocarbons. Blessed are the poor in water, for they shall drink safely, while we, worried about every shadow of a chemical, spend millions on "natural" bottled water because we no longer like the tap water that has made us healthy and saved so many lives.

The major challenges of Earth Summit 2002 are unquestionably eradicating energy poverty and water poverty, the twin devils of the developing world. We need Clare Short's development, not Michael Meacher's environmentalism.


Philip Stott is Professor Emeritus of Biogeography at the University of London


WMM

[whitemajikman]

2/15 By PHILIP STOTT
Editor
Journal of Biogeography, and
Professor of Biogeography,
School of Oriental & African Studies,
University of London.

American environmentalism is founded on many myths of a utopian past, from those of the frontier and the wilderness to the famous environmentalist text, “Silent Spring,” written by Rachel Carson in 1962. In contrast, Emily Dickinson (1830-1886) of Amherst Village in Massachusetts — arguably America’s greatest poet — presents us with a reality of the past that is full of death and grieving. Today, many of her tearing bouts of pain would have been eased by the very science and development so often decried in the myths.
“Silent Spring” is presented as a scientific work. Rather, it is grand narrative, often consciously striving to create and build the myth of a once purer and safer America, an America now under threat from the ravages of modern inventions and human greed.
“There was once a town in the heart of America,” Ms. Carson wrote, “where all life seemed to live in harmony with its surroundings. The town lay in the midst of a checkerboard of prosperous farms, with fields of grain and hillsides of orchards, where, in spring, white clouds of bloom drifted above green fields. In autumn, oak and maple and birch set up a blaze of color that flamed and flickered across a backdrop of pines. The foxes barked in the hills and deer silently crossed the fields, half hidden in the mists of the autumn morning. Then a strange blight crept over the area and everything began to change. Some evil spell had settled on the community; mysterious maladies swept the flocks of chickens; the cattle and sheep sickened and died. Everywhere was a shadow of death.”
In this well-known passage, Ms. Carson deliberately conjures a dichotomy between good and evil, between a utopia of an imagined past and the dystopia of a blighted future. Today, we can see the same myth at work foraging parallel oppositions with regard to food, such as natural/unnatural and organic/genetically modified.
And this utopian past?
It is always the romantic world of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s (1867-1957) “Little House” books, those much loved tales of the big woods and the prairies that she first told to her daughter, Rose. It is the America of Dorothy and Toto and of “The Wizard of Oz,” of the naivete of L. Frank Baum’s (1856-1919) original, “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz,” first published in 1900, and of the gingham dress that Judy Garland wore to create Dorothy in the 1939 classic film.
It is also, though much later, the homely television world of Earl Hamner’s “The Waltons” and of Walton’s Mountain. When Hamner’s sister Marion was asked “Where is Walton’s Mountain?” she replied: “It’s a place where my brother was happy.”
But against all of this happiness, fearfully contrasted, are the works of “The Wicked Witch of the West,” of capitalism, population growth, cities, agricultural expansion, pesticides, fertilizers, industry, metal, steel mills, factories, pollution, science and reality. Everywhere there is “a shadow of death.”
Yet, the America of Emily Dickinson was starkly different from that of the golden myths. There, death and suffering really did stalk the muddy tracks, the icy winter bedrooms, and the heated summer parlors of her hometown of Amherst.
Poor drainage, no sewers, no piped water, damp and rot, smallpox, dysentery, scarlet fever, measles, tuberculosis and pneumonia, took child and adult alike, molding Miss Dickinson’s unique verse, a poetry in which so many people have found such comfort for their own lives, losses and sadness:
“After great pain, a formal feeling comes;
The Nerves sit ceremonious, like Tombs;
The stiff Heart questions was it He, that bore,
And yesterday, or Centuries before?”
The women of Amherst were used to “The Watch.” At a quarter to five on the afternoon of Friday, October 5, 1883, Emily’s nephew, Gilbert — her beloved Gib — died of typhoid, which he had probably caught while playing in the Amherst mud with some friends. The event caused Emily to be bedridden, she herself being in the early stages of Bright’s disease.
Likewise, every girl will recall the long suffering and death of good Beth in Louisa May Alcott’s “Little Women and Good Wives”... “and in the dark hours before the dawn, on the bosom where she had drawn her first breath, she quietly drew her last, with no farewell but one loving look, one little sigh.”
Urban growth and improvement, antibiotics and science, would have transformed the early lives of the Dickinsons and all who lived in Amherst, not to mention Orchard House, the Alcott’s home in Concord, Mass. By 1873, street lighting was just coming to Amherst; by 1877, gas; by 1876, concrete sidewalks; and, most important of all, piped water, which did not arrive until 1880.
Today, in the main, we live long and well and the death of a child is mercifully rare, yet terrible. That is why I am angry at environmentalists — utopian myths. This is why I hate the self-indulgent opposition to biotechnology, to genetic modification, to current advances in science, agriculture and medicine. This is why I reject the impossible utopian dream of an organic world of small farms in Ms. Carson’s “checkerboard” of fields.
Pests and diseases are not utopian; every moment of every day they are using their own genetics to drag us back to the mud and to the death of the past, to what the French historian, Michel Foucault (1926-84) called “heterotopias,” the reality that “gnaws and claws” at us.
And Emily Dickinson? She was seared and honed by this reality and she looked not for “Silent Springs”:
“Quite empty, quite at rest,
The Robin locks her nest, and tries her Wings.
She does not know a Route
But puts her Craft about
For rumored Springs.


WMM

[whitemajikman]

Extracted from the Chemical Engineer, September 2001

The Kyoto Protocol: Dangerous for both Science and Society?
Philip Stott wonders how we can possibly believe that changing the level of greenhouse gas emissions can have any significant impact on the earth’s climate.
(Philip Stott is professor of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in the University of London and editor of the Journal of Biogeography (Blackwell Science).

I recently received a thoughtful letter from a colleague. In this, he argued cogently that the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on climate change was not only bad for climatology as a subject but also for science as a whole.

Scientists, he argued, had allowed themselves to be used and manipulated by groups with strong political agendas so that science was becoming ‘legitimised’ by European political correctness and not by the cautious processes of science itself.

I would wish to go further. I believe the Kyoto Protocol is bad for science, for economics, for politics, and for society, in the widest sense. The idea that we can control, in any predictable manner, climate change through the management of one tiny set of variables, namely human-induced greenhouse gas emissions, is so fundamental a lie that it beggars belief.

Climate is the ultimate coupled non-linear chaotic system. Unsurprisingly our general circulation models (GCMs) remain intrinsically simplistic, with even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) admitting publicly that it knows next-to-nothing about 75% of the major proxy variables involved. As good engineers, I wonder if the readers of this magazine would be happy to cross a bridge built on a partial knowledge of only 25% of the factors relating to its construction? And, in the case of climate, some of the missing variables are so blindingly obvious, including soot, clouds and waves, that it is embarrassing.

In approaching the Kyoto Protocol, and the recent political shenanigans last November in The Hague and this July in Bonn, it is therefore vital to distinguish between ‘global warming’ and the complex science of climate change. ‘Global warming’ is pure politics and myth. It is a grand narrative, invented in 1989, which carries with it both the language and the baggage of an obsessive, nearly fundamentalist, set of New Age religious beliefs. ‘Global warming’ has become the legitimising ‘science’ for stemming Neo-Malthusian population expansion, limiting economic growth, controlling the car, blocking all development, attacking the evil American Empire, and fighting capitalism and globalisation. The recent juxtaposition of the Genoa violent anti-capitalist protests and the Bonn pro-Kyoto/anti-Bush demonstrations says it all.

Thus, when Christine Todd Whitman, President Bush’s newly-appointed administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), announced last March that the United States had “no interest in implementing that treaty”, meaning the ‘global warming’ protocol, negotiated and signed in 1997 at Kyoto, Japan, the European ‘Green’ movement sensu lato, including European governments, went hysterical. It was far worse than not having had sex “with that woman.” ‘The Toxic Texan’ had not just rejected a treaty; he had blasphemed against a the new religion so that he was instantly transmogrified into what one German newspaper, Die Woche, has called the ‘Climate Killer’. His Fausian pact would bring the world to the very edge of ruin. He was Sauron of The Lord of the Rings wreaking havoc throughout the earth with his genetically modified orcs and spouting smokestack industrial volcanoes.

Belief in this powerful European myth demands allegiance to a number of strict articles of faith. First, climate change over the last decade must be faster and worse than at any time during the past 1000 years or more, despite the fact that we are rising out of a ‘Little Ice Age’ that ended around 1880. Secondly, the cause of this dramatic change has to be human greed and growth, not ‘natural’ climate drivers or forcings, so that, only by sacrificing ourselves to the Earth, can we atone for our sins and save the planet.

In this sense, the religion is hardly new, because it emulates so closely the sacrificial demands of many ancient religions. Moreover, the Kyoto targets for controlling the emissions of greenhouse gases must hurt economically and politically, especially the Americans; this is part of our self-flagellation. The dreadful political fudge achieved at Bonn therefore will not do for many. Religious purity demands that no treaty at all is better than one that opts for the easy road that leads to destruction. Finally, the prime sinner must be America, with its gas-guzzling, growth-orientated, polluted, Erin Brokovich world.

In the UK, these tenets of faith are now so powerful that, by contrast, the hard science of climate change barely gets a look in. Indeed, the work of a wide range of serious, but sceptical, climate scientists is totally excluded from public debate, particularly in bien pensant news outlets such as the Today programme on BBC radio 4, Channel 4 TV News, and The Guardian and Independent newspapers.

For those seeking ‘truth’, however, it is deeply alarming that a whole series of recently published heavyweight scientific papers questioning both the relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature and the data / modelling underlying the concept of ‘global warming’, have been basically ignored by the UK and the European media. These scientific papers are found in major journals such as Nature, Climate Research, and the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, and involve institutions of the highest scientific distinction, including NASA, the Goddard Space Flight Centre, the University of the Ruhr, Ottawa-Carlton Geoscience Centre, Harvard University, the Smithsonian, and Stanford University. Yet, despite their undoubted scientific legitimacy, the papers have received scant public attention, above all because they do not support and ‘legitimise’ the socially-constructed myth of ‘global warming’. I have myself tried to persuade environmental correspondents to report such work, only to be met with incredulity that such science might even exist.

e?One critical focus has been on the role of that most important ‘greenhouse’ gas of all, water vapour (not carbon dioxide), and on the palaeo-geological relationships between water vapour, carbon dioxide and temperature. Jan Veizer’s work, for example, is widely regarded as magisterial in its decoupling of temperature from CO2, so much so that one editorial commentary written for the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change regards his work as creating a crisis in the ‘global warming’ myth. The editorial summarises the importance of the work as follows: “In a revealing scientific paper recently published in Nature [December 2000], Veizer et aI present what could well be described as the beginning of the end for the theory of CO2-induced global warming.” The paper, of course, met with resounding silence in the European media. Yet it is strongly supported by another key paper from the prestigious Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, in which the authors have even gone so far as to warn
that: “Our review of the literature has shown that GCMs [climate models] are not sufficiently robust to provide an understanding of the potential effects of CO2 on climate necessary for public discussion.” Now there’s an unusually cautious thought!

A second focus has been on the many missing, or little-known, variables in the IPCC and other climate models, including newly-discovered ‘Pacific’ vents by Richard Lindzen, Alfred Sloan — professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology — and others. If confirmed through further research, this effect alone, which is not recognised in current climate prediction models, could significantly reduce estimates of future climate warming. Another neglected variable is particulates, especially soot. Again, new work on black carbon (soot) and aerosols was reported in America, but hardly at all in Europe, yet soot may be responsible for 15% to 30% of ‘global warming’, although it is not even considered in any of the discussions about controlling climate change, according to Stanford University’s Mark Jacobson.

A third focus has been on the need to correct many temperature measurements, especially those taken over the oceans. Some of this work, at least, was reported fully by BBC Science / Technology Online, a creditable exception to the normal media failure in this field. Studies have demonstrated that, when scientists take proxy sea-surface temperatures out of the global temperature record for the past 20-plus years and replace them with air temperature data gathered more accurately by ships and buoys, the global warming trend at Earth’s surface drops markedly by about one-third — from 0.19 to about 0.l30Celsius per decade. Other scientists argue that land temperature measurements and records are equally flawed, reflecting primarily the process of urbanisation and the well-documented ‘urban heat island’ effect rather than any significant rise in global temperatures.

Article in it's entirety.........

http://www.cea.org.uk/files/tce_9_01_CC.rtf

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Hot Air + Flawed Science =
Dangerous Emissions
Wall Street Journal Commentary
April 2, 2001

By Philip Stott, a professor of biogeography at the University of London and co-author of "Political Ecology: Science, Myth and Power" (Oxford University Press, 2000).

LONDON -- When Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Christine Todd Whitman told reporters last week, "No, we have no interest in implementing [the Kyoto] treaty," she unleashed a hysteria in Europe unmatched even by the United Kingdom's current troubles with foot-and-mouth disease. It was as if George W. Bush had pressed the nuclear button. Why?

The reason is simple. In Europe, "global warming" has become a necessary myth, a new fundamentalist religion, with the Kyoto protocol as its articles of faith. The adherents of this new faith want Mr. Bush on trial because he has blasphemed.

Emotional Energy

Nobody will understand this in the U.S. if they fail to grasp that "global warming" has absorbed more of the emotional energy of European green pressure groups than virtually any other topic. Even biotechnology fades into insignificance by comparison. Americans must also understand that the science of complex climate change has little to do with the myth. In the U.S., the science is rightly scrutinized; in Europe, not so.

"Global warming" was invented in 1988, when it replaced two earlier myths of an imminent plunge into another Ice Age and the threat of a nuclear winter. The new myth was seen to encapsulate a whole range of other myths and attitudes that had developed in the 1960s and 1970s, including "limits to growth," sustainability, neo-Malthusian fears of a population time bomb, pollution, anticorporate anti-Americanism, and an Al Gore-like analysis of human greed disturbing the ecological harmony and balance of the earth.

Initially, in Europe, the new myth was embraced by both right and left. The right was concerned with breaking the power of traditional trade unions, such as the coal miners -- the labor force behind a major source of carbon-dioxide emissions -- and promoting the development of nuclear power. Britain's Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research was established at the personal instigation of none other than Margaret Thatcher.

The left, by contrast, was obsessed with population growth, industrialization, the car, development and globalization. Today, the narrative of global warming has evolved into an emblematic issue for authoritarian greens, who employ a form of language that has been characterized by the physicist P.H. Borcherds as "the hysterical subjunctive." And it is this grammatical imperative that is now dominating the European media when they complain about Mr. Bush, the U.S., and their willful denial of the true faith.

Interestingly, the tension between science and myth characterizes the "Third Assessment Report" of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, to which Europe always turns for legitimation. The whole feel of the report differs between its political summary (written by a group powerfully driven by the myth) and the scientific sections. It comes as a shock to read the following in the conclusions to the science (italics added): "In sum, a strategy must recognize what is possible. In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear system, and therefore that the prediction of a specific future climate is not possible."

Inevitably, the media in Europe did not mention this vital scientific caveat, choosing to focus instead on the political summary, which Richard S. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has described scathingly as "very much a children's exercise of what might possibly happen," prepared by a "peculiar group" with "no technical competence." This is a damning statement from a scientist with impeccable credentials.

And here we come to the nub of the difference between Europe and the U.S. For the past few years, the media in Europe have failed to acknowledge the science that does not support and legitimize the myth. In Britain, liberal newspapers like the Guardian and the Independent have consistently ignored virtually all the evidence pointing to complexity and uncertainty in climate change, preferring instead to present "global warming" as Armageddon, a catastrophe produced by corporate American gas-guzzling greed.

Yet, just in the past three months, there has appeared a whole suite of hard science papers from major scientific institutions in major scientific journals, including Nature, Climate Research, and the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, all raising serious questions about the relationship between gas emissions and climate.

The focus has been on the role of water vapor, unquestionably the most important "greenhouse" gas (not carbon dioxide); the palaeogeological relationships between carbon dioxide and temperature; the many missing, or poorly known, variables in climate models; and the need to correct certain temperature measurements fed into the models, especially those taken over the oceans. One paper, from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, even concludes that "our review of the literature has shown that GCMs [global climate models] are not sufficiently robust to provide an understanding of the potential effects of CO2 on climate necessary for public discussion."

Warming Waffle

The science of "global warming" is thus deeply flawed, but its caution and rationality are drowned in the warming waffle now emanating so shrilly from Europe. Yet, because the science is so flawed and uncertain, why should anyone sign up to a treaty that clearly will not work? To put it simply: The idea that we can control a chaotic climate governed by a billion factors through fiddling about with a couple of politically selected gases is carbon claptrap.

Kyoto, however, is ultimately more dangerous than this. It has taken our eye, internationally, off the true way by which humans have always had to cope with change, whatever its cause, direction or speed -- namely, adaptation. Above all, we need a new international agenda for constant technological adaptation to environmental change, whether gradual or catastrophic, remembering always that it is the poor who suffer the most from change.

The Kyoto protocol is not the answer.



-- From The Wall Street Journal

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Just for Gaia and his Neo-Con pals. Pretty easy to fool the US with low IQ.

http://www.rense.com/general59/iq.jpg

[whitemajikman]

Just for Gia and his Neo-Con pals. Pretty easy to fool the US with low IQ.

http://www.rense.com/general59/iq.jpg





Is that the best you can come up with .......

I must say I am Disappointed By your Lack of Ingenuity............

And your Choice to continue with the norm..........

And not defend your position.......But instead Give up all together and post this drivel..........

WMM

[Yaak]

Remember Jim:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881) -

....and now a fourth kind: the crap posted at Rense.com

[halva]

"Science and politics don't mix. Scientific proof evolves through exacting methodological standards, the replicability of experiments, and the intense scrutiny of other scientists in the fold - the process called peer review. Political battles, by contrast, are determined by the rule of the numerical majority, which, as history shows us over and again, is not always the test of wisdom.

Inherently, science and politics are incompatible, but science is essential in the formation of government policy in many areas. So Congress many years ago established the Office of Technology Assessment (OTA) - a non partisan body of specialists to screen and filter the science on which the policymakers depend. The OTA surveyed relevant scientific fields to determine the weight of accepted evidence. It also evaluated the professional credentials of experts to determine which were worthy of congressional attention.

In an ominous but little-publicized move following the election of a large number of highly conservative and inexperienced Republican congressmenin 1994, Congress abolished the OTA. With that stroke of political expression began the politicisation of science and, in the area of climate change, the domination of a most willful and determined ignorance."

(from "The Heat is On" [Ross Gelbspan])

[halva]

BUSH ADVISOR CLAIMS CLIMATE CHANGE CONSPIRACY
Green Consumer Guide
November 8, 2004

http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/index.php?news=2275

An advisor to President George W Bush has reportedly claimed that global
warming is a fallacy created to disrupt the American economy, in an
interview on Radio 4. Myron Ebell, from the Competitive Enterprise Institute
(CEI), claimed that the notion of climate change through man-made emissions
was "ridiculous and unrealistic".

The views of the UK's chief scientist Sir David King - who stated that
global warming posed a bigger threat to the planet than terrorism - were
dismissed by Ebell as 'a ridiculous claim', and Sir David an 'alarmist'. The
European Commission was also accused by Ebell of targeting the American
economy through efforts to develop an international climate change strategy.

Environmentalists responded by calling the CEI spokesperson's claims
"idiocy".

A statement from the Greenpeace organisation read: "The world's best climate
scientists agree the threat is real and growing. It is terrifying that this
man is advising the White House on the gravest threat this planet faces.
This kind of idiocy would be a mere distraction if it were not for the fact
that Bush believes this nonsense. If Tony Blair really regards global
warming as a huge threat, like he says he does, he needs to give the
President a dose of straight talking the next time they meet."

Greenpeace has also highlighted the fact that the CEI has received backing
of around $1.5m from Esso since 1998.

[whitemajikman]

BUSH ADVISOR CLAIMS CLIMATE CHANGE CONSPIRACY
Green Consumer Guide
November 8, 2004

http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/index.php?news=2275

An advisor to President George W Bush has reportedly claimed that global
warming is a fallacy created to disrupt the American economy, in an
interview on Radio 4. Myron Ebell, from the Competitive Enterprise Institute
(CEI), claimed that the notion of climate change through man-made emissions
was "ridiculous and unrealistic".

The views of the UK's chief scientist Sir David King - who stated that
global warming posed a bigger threat to the planet than terrorism - were
dismissed by Ebell as 'a ridiculous claim', and Sir David an 'alarmist'. The
European Commission was also accused by Ebell of targeting the American
economy through efforts to develop an international climate change strategy.

Environmentalists responded by calling the CEI spokesperson's claims
"idiocy".

A statement from the Greenpeace organisation read: "The world's best climate
scientists agree the threat is real and growing. It is terrifying that this
man is advising the White House on the gravest threat this planet faces.
This kind of idiocy would be a mere distraction if it were not for the fact
that Bush believes this nonsense. If Tony Blair really regards global
warming as a huge threat, like he says he does, he needs to give the
President a dose of straight talking the next time they meet."

Greenpeace has also highlighted the fact that the CEI has received backing
of around $1.5m from Esso since 1998.

Canada Leaves Greenpeace Red-Faced

By Roger Bate, Director, IEA Environment Unit

IT'S OFFICIAL: GREENPEACE SERVES NO PUBLIC PURPOSE


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No less a green haven than Canada just dealt the Dutch-based environmentalist group a massive blow to its credibility and fundraising efforts by denying it the charitable status it had sought for a decade. Revenue Canada, the tax-collecting arm of the government, has refused to recognize the new Greenpeace Environmental Foundation as a charity, saying its activities have "no public benefit" and that lobbying to shut down industries could send people "into poverty."

By doing this, Revenue Canada has performed a useful service. Its decision has sent a strong signal to the world's green pressure groups that their tax and other benefits resulting from their status as "charities" deserves reconsideration. Canada is the first country to implicitly recognize Greenpeace as the most successful of the multinational anxiety corporations. Whether any EU country has the guts to follow Canada's lead, and strip Greenpeace of its charitable facade, is alas another matter.

Greenpeace was launched in Vancouver nearly 30 years ago with an anti-nuclear 'Don't Make A Wave" campaign and was registered as a charity in 1976. Since then it has grown into a multi-national, multi-million dollar operation devoted to promoting green causes around the world. But in 1989, Greenpeace lost its Canadian charitable status amid concerns that it was not a true charity-that is, that it was not providing a discernible benefit to the public. As such Greenpeace was no longer able to claim tax exemption on its revenues and donors could not claim deductions, which resulted in some donors switching to real charities that did give tax breaks.

The organization responded by setting up the Greenpeace Canada Charitable Foundation, legally (thought not really functionally) distinct from Greenpeace. But according to court records made public in June by John Duncan, the Reform MP from British Columbia, the federal charities division found the group's activities "have not complied with the law" on charitable organizations.

"This opinion resulted from an audit which raised serious concerns about the charity's compliance with the Income Tax Act. The audit revealed that the charity had failed to devote all its resources to charitable activities," Mr. Duncan said recently in a public statement. Of particular concern were the financial links between the Greenpeace International and Greenpeace Canada. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were transferred between the organizations, which may violate Canadian laws on charitable activities. Officials were also concerned because the charity appeared to be a fund-raising conduit for Greenpeace, which is not permitted in Canada.

Consequently, the second Greenpeace venture lost its charitable status in 1995. The group launched a court appeal, which was dismissed in September 1998. But by then a new charity called the Greenpeace Environmental Foundation had sprung forth like the regenerated head of a Hydra. Revenue Canada called the latest charity "a convenient way to avoid the consequences" of its past troubled charities and declined to register the group. Greenpeace appealed against the decision but eventually threw in the towel.

Revenue Canada explains that preserving the environment is recognized as a charitable activity, but that the Greenpeace foundation does not qualify because its stated purpose is "public awareness." According to a spokesman from Revenue Canada this poses a problem since "we have no evidence that the distribution to the public of a pamphlet on, for example, the destruction of forests (along the Amazon or the B.C. coast) or on the various pollutants emanating from smokestacks has any measurable impact on the environment."

However it is widely believed that the decision against Greenpeace has more to do with its extensive lobbying against Canadian forestry exports, than Revenue Canada's 'Public Awareness' issue.

Without charitable status, Greenpeace cannot offer tax receipts to its donors. The Canadian Greenpeace Charitable Foundation is already running at a loss (over $250,000 in 1996-97 and slightly less last year), and non-tax exempt donations will be harder to come by in the future.

Greenpeace made light of the Canadian decision however. "I don't think Greenpeace is going to be made a charitable organization, and we seem to be doing okay without charitable status," said Peter Tabuns, Greenpeace's Canadian executive director. Mr. Tabuns can be sanguine about the decision since the financial dealings described by Revenue Canada suggest Greenpeace's Canadian operations are increasingly being funded from its much richer European operation. Greenpeace world-wide receives over two thirds of its funding from Germany and Holland, and Canada does not appear on Greenpeace's summary chart of donations (but it does appear on the expenditure chart in recent years). Therefore, Revenue Canada's decision will not cause a big cut in Greenpeace's global coffers.

Nevertheless, Canadians seem less inclined these days to go along with Greenpeace crusades. In an effort to curtail Canada's lucrative logging business, activists placed a giant sign for Home Depot, the United States-based hardware giant, in a recently logged area, which they claim was ancient forest, north of Vancouver. The group then issued a statement calling Home Depot a "major player in the destruction of the world's remaining ancient forests." Such rhetoric no longer seems to appeal to Canadians since donations to the Greenpeace charity had fallen by 15% in 1997, the last year of published financial records. Furthermore, many politicians who initially welcomed environmental sentiments have become inured to the scaremongering and have decided not to oppose the Reform Party's anti-Greenpeace stand.

There is plenty of "clear blue water" between Canada and Europe, however. Greenpeace's European operations are far wealthier and receive the blessing of most of Europe's left-wing governments. Greenpeace has mounted its most successful campaigns in Europe, where politicians abhor confrontation with pressure groups and try and appease them as much as possible. French attitudes have softened since 1985, when their Secret Service blew up the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland Harbour. To be fair, European politicians are not given much support by business, which is becoming increasingly defensive, or the media, which thrives on scare stories.

Such official deference-the assumption that Greenpeace is always on the side of angels-looks increasingly out of touch. The recent Greenpeace campaigns against PVC plasticisers and dioxins in Belgian chickens did a disservice to the public in obscuring the scientific evidence and fomenting the kind of panic that harms the public good and hurts consumers in the long run, since it unnecessarily raises producer costs. It was hard to find a single news story that mentioned the concentration of the alleged contamination-a fundamental scientific point, if the allegations of a threat to human health were to have any validity. In fact, dioxin and other organochlorine compounds may cause cancer when fed to laboratory rats in massive concentrations, but have no observable effect on humans at the actual levels found.

Perhaps we will have to wait for Greenpeace-inspired environmental regulations to cause even greater European unemployment and unrest from before our politicians follow the Canadian government's example. Environmental multinationals such as Greenpeace should be free to pursue their agenda in democratic society-but it's time governments stopped giving this particular lobby preferential treatment.

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Observances:

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do." Dale Carnegie

"Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back, or a fool from any side."
Author: Jewish Proverb

[jayreynolds]

Observances:

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do." Dale Carnegie

"Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back, or a fool from any side."
Author: Jewish Proverb

But it takes a real fool to believe this:
http://www.doewatch.com/jimphelps.html

C'mon, Jim, defend your claim that aluminum in jet fuell will become alum. Show us your "simple science" you simpleton.

[jayreynolds]

From Jim Phelp's website:
"I have degrees in Electrical Engineering from the University of Tennessee."

So, is this true, Jim? How many degrees do you have in Electrical Engineering?

Your inability to discuss what you call, "simple science" is glaring, buddy. If you make a claim, and fail to back it up, you have no degree, you are just another chemmie idiot, not scientist who invented haarp.

Similarly, your claim:
"I developed a system to topologically survey radiation areas, USRADS, for clean up when the Cold War subsided. I was considered a Genius by many..."

IS A FALSE CLAIM.
The facts show that USRADS was developed by Berven, B.A. ; Little, C.A. ; Blair, M.S.

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6082010

So, Jim, can you cite any real third party who will confirm that you even worked at Oak Ridge at all, or is everything you write a complete fabrication?

[jayreynolds]

Jim Phelps wrote:
"I even knew that Oak Ridge conspired to murder JFK to support their jobs there. I knew the major players the day it happened--they were Jewish and pro-Israel. One, I knew personally."

OK, JIM PHELPS, WHAT'S HIS NAME?

[jayreynolds]

Jim Phelps wrote:
"I have been to the homes of the Mt. Weather director and done dinners with he and others. I have been to the home of FEMA-COG person named Carl Siebentritt and done dinners with he and others. In my days at ORNL, I was highly recognized for my ideas and inventions. And most especially for my knowledge of the skeletons in the national security closet."

Yeah, you were the guy who served the coffee at those dinners, and were told to get the silver set out of the closet.........
LOL!

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Jim Phelps, why ddin't you mention anything about your invention of haarp, the JFK asassination, how you were considered a genius, the "skeletons in the closet" or "chemtrails"
when you were sworn in to testify before congress?

Hmmmmmm........?
http://www.downwinders.org/Jim%20Phelps.htm

[The Shadow]

Well Whitemajikwaffleman, it appears that we poked the Shadow in the right place. Ha, Ha, Ha!
Well, what do you know... Yaakity-yaak does talk back. Unfortunately, his failure at returning any meaningful response does indeed say it all for him. It merely indicates that he is only capable of poking himself in the eye. You see, I have not said a single word regarding the subjects of chemtrails or global warming and already he has jumped to conclusions and has me identified with some perceived “hoax” that appears to occupy a large portion of his conscious mind (what little there is) and to torment him day and night. This typical behavior of Yaak is the true origin of item number three in his list of sins, which he prefers to attribute to others. Such is a favorite tactic of unruly teenagers who seek and fail to win converts through domination.

Hmmm........
Now why would I want to leave, Your Post is proof Positive that what we are doing here is working ........................

Oh And Have I mentioned ,This is Our thread Now..............
Whiteillusionistman, you should realize that such childish arrogance and the use of strong-arm tactics are a real turn-off to people who are in pursuit of the truth. You beg for any alleged “threats” that come your way and then cry like a baby when they materialize.

It is you whom needs to find a new home..........

Unless you can unequivocally beyond a doubt explain in your own word's how Human pollution creates Global Warming........
And is not a purely a NATURAL EVENT in the lifespan of the EARTH...........
Excuse me. I do not take assignments from clueless and illiterate little piss-ants — especially those who feel the need to set conditions by deciding which side of an argument I must take.

Then maybe once and for all ,you will have to realize that The Trigger's are not because of Man........

With the Arctic Melting that is today's news,Must come a realization that It's not the first time Nor the last.........
We as Humanity are just a "blink in the eye" that is the life span of the Earth...........

Relatively new, Ignorant of her temper ,and blinded to her past.........
Bravo!!! You have truly delivered a stand-up performance that really belongs on stage (or from a toilet seat). You may or may not be right. The details are still only conjecture on your part and simply a rehash of what you have read or been taught.

By the way Shadow...........

The Last Sentence of your Above Quote is very familiar,Could it be that I know who you are.........

You little Deceiver.......
Now I know that you are full of crap, Whitey. You are unbelievably self-absorbed and as dumb as a pile of rocks (or a brick in the wall).

P.S.

Calling me an Approval Seeker is one thing,But really isn't the likes of WAYNE HALL,DEBORAH STARK and YOURSELF the REAL approval seeker's.........

Is it not you whom seek's the Approval of the Public and of politician's like Arianna ........

To keep your Hoax And Political Aspirations moving along..........

Under the guise of Global Warming ..........

You should really get a clue........
There you go with your assumptions and fantasies again, boy. It is clear that you have absolutely no originality. Your board history reveals the truth about yourself. It must really hurt. I have no hoax and, for that matter, I had no idea that I was running for any public office. By the way, your grammar and syntax really suck. I hope you have someone else who writes all of your résumés for you.

And since your a Shadow,The Blinding Light of Truth will make you obsolete on this thread.......
What would you know about truth? Any light that you may possess is artificial. It is false and is easily snuffed out in a flash.

The Shadow knows...

[gaiacomm]

Merry Christmas JR and company and to you Wayne. I hope that you and your families have a joyfull and safe holiday this season!

And that goes for all of you readers as well!

[gaiacomm]

I would like to wish all of you a wonderful holiday season with the hope and faith that you and your families will be able to celebrate and rejoice that love and peace is always waiting to comfort you all.

[halva]

Shadow, since you are bringing to my attention some of those dozens of messages that for me show up as:

"This message is hidden because whitemajikman is on your ignore list."

I would like to point out that there can be no motivation in Europe for a rank-and-file activist to engage in debate on the reality or non-reality of anthropogenic global warming. The scientists and politicians are almost unanimous in accepting the reality of anthropogenic climate change. Even people otherwise in the enemy camp like Tony Blair are verbally onside.

If I don't have to convince Tony Blair why do I have to make the effort to convince some irrelevant litle jerk who has already run his head once into a brick wall through trying - for some reason he alone knows - to intervene from the other side of the world in the real-life relations I have with ecological activists in my own city and country.

I would not debate even with someone who was a serious and professional misleader. I could safely leave that to the eco-professionals on our side, even if they were and are chemtrail deniers.

[halva]

Merry Christmas JR and company and to you Wayne. I hope that you and your families have a joyfull and safe holiday this season!

And that goes for all of you readers as well!

Starting a little early, aren't you, Gaiacomm?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://rense.com/general59/ssji.htm


Many Species Scramble
To Adjust To Warming
11-9-4

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North American wildlife species ranging from
butterflies to red fox are scrambling to adapt to Earth's rising temperatures and may
not survive, according to a study released on Monday.

Heat-trapping greenhouse gases emitted by vehicles, factories and other human
activities have boosted Earth's temperatures by 1 degree F over the past
century, the Pew Center on Global Climate Change said in a report.

To adapt, North American species like the Edith's Checkerspot butterfly, red
fox and Mexican jay are moving to colder northern climates that suit their
habits, the Pew Center said, citing 40 separate scientific studies.

With global temperatures expected to rise another 2.5 degrees to 10.4 degrees
F by 2100, "future global warming is likely to exceed the ability of many
species to migrate or adjust," the Pew Center said.

The Edith's Checkerspot butterfly has disappeared from many southern,
low-elevation areas like Mexico, fleeing to colder Canadian climes, according to the
report.

The red fox has also moved northward to clash with Arctic fox populations, in
a trend spotted in many other birds, mammals, invertebrates and plants, it
said.

"These responses may alter competition and predator-prey relationships and
have other unforeseen consequences," it said.

Longer growing seasons for plants will also impact the Earth's ability to
clean carbon dioxide from the air, the report said.

Alaska's tundra now emits more carbon dioxide than it absorbs because
temperatures have risen by 4 degrees to 7 degrees F over the last 50 years, the
report said.

Wildlife officials need to expand nature reserves and improve habitat
conservation efforts to give species more flexibility to adjust to changing
conditions, the report said.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Observation II:

"The heart of a fool is in his mouth, but the mouth of a wise man is in his heart."
Author: Benjamin Franklin

Zero Energy Homes=Environmentally Responsible Design for Sustainable Future

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65615,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5

Zero-Energy Homes Eliminate Electricity Bills
By John Gartner
Wired News
11-8-4

Hundreds of homeowners in California never worry about paying their electric
bills on time. It's not because they are careless; it's because they live in
new "zero-energy" homes that produce as much electricity as they consume. These
homes are not multimillion-dollar prototypes -- they are entry-level homes
using commercially available products.

Zero-energy homes reduce energy demand by up to 70 percent using the latest
energy-efficiency technologies, and generate all the electricity they need from
photovoltaic solar panels. The term zero-energy home was coined by the
Department of Energy as part of a program to create technologies for homes that
would produce all of their own energy by 2010.

While the goal has not been achieved, commercial companies and researchers
have created technologies that today allow homes to provide all of their own
electricity while greatly reducing the amount of fossil-fuel (natural gas, oil or
coal) energy required.

According to the DOE, 26,172 energy-efficient homes have been constructed as
part of the agency's Building America program. Homeowners in the Vista Montana
community of Watsonville, California, where single-family dwellings start at
$250,000, have lopped 90 percent off their utility bills, according to Nicole
Gittleson, vice president of Clarum Homes, which built the houses.

Gittleson said the company will build 267 homes this year that can generate
nearly all of their electricity using solar-panel systems capable of generating
2 to 3 kilowatts of electricity. She said any electricity produced that
exceeds what the homes need is sold back to the energy utility, as required by
California's net metering law. Net metering enables homeowners to sell energy
during the day at the highest rates, which can make up for the cost of any extra
energy needed at night.

Gittleson said one of the methods used in the Vista Montana homes to reduce
energy consumption is the tankless water heater. Tankless devices heat water as
needed instead of keeping a large water tank hot and continuously drawing
energy.

Tim Merrigan, a senior program manager at the National Renewable Energy
Laboratory, said using state-of-the-art energy-efficiency technology adds from
$10,000 to $20,000 to the cost of a new home. In these homes "the (monthly)
utility bill often goes down more than the mortgage goes up," so the payback is
immediate, according to Merrigan.

Completely energy-self-sufficient homes will likely be built in some regions
of the United States by 2010, Merrigan said. Temperate areas of the West are
the easiest places to build these homes, while humid areas of the Southeast are
the most challenging since they require more cooling, he said.

In addition to Clarum Homes, Premier Homes, Pardee Homes, Centex Homes and
others are building houses that reduce utility bills by 50 percent or more,
according to the DOE.

Installing windows that keep heat out in the summer and retain it in the
winter is an effective method of reducing energy costs, according to Joe Wiehagen,
a senior research engineer at the National Homebuilders Association. For
example, spectrally selective windows block out unseen ultraviolet light and solar
heat while allowing visible light to pass through, Wiehagen said.

Wiehagen said electrochromic technology from Sage Electrochromics saves
energy by darkening windows to almost black to block heat from entering. The
windows, which change tint at the press of a button, can be linked to a programmable
thermostat to automatically block or allow light to pass through depending on
the temperature. "These windows can be used anywhere, and may show just as
much benefit in cold climates as in hot climates," he said.

Wiehagen said prefabricated insulating panels used in framing walls and roofs
also aid in making zero-energy homes possible. Many newer homes were built
with the central air/heating system in the uninsulated attic, where it can be
subject to extreme temperatures, he said. Installing panels above the attic
insulates the top of the house, so the "conditioned attic has far fewer losses" in
heating and cooling, according to Wiehagen.

The ground is also a good source of heat for zero-energy homes. Wiehagen said
geothermal heat pumps can collect underground heat through a loop of pipes
and use an electric compressor to concentrate the heat and pump it to the rooms
of the house.

Homeowners looking for the highest return on their investment should put
money into energy-efficiency technologies before installing solar panels, Wiehagen
said. "You can cut your energy bill by 50 percent without photovoltaic solar
panels," he said.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Observations III

It is said that A Wise person never likes to be associated or seen with fools, lest the may be mistaken for one. But Fools do have their purpose in society, so a tribute to fools:

"The Fool's Tradition"

"The fool has always served a mimetic function; his actions point to the foolishness of society in general. "

"The fool's strange behavior, while seeming inappropriate, provides an important function in society, and is therefore proper. "

"They create such a high degree of chaos that we have to reconsider what we are seeing."

"In attacking the world around them, they attack our standard ways of thinking, as many of the scenes examined throughout this site show. This attack on our accepted doctrines opens the door for new conceptions to emerge."

[Yaak]

You are ruthless, Jim. You have thoroughly shamed the Shadow with the quotations you posted.

......and speaking of syntax, Shadow, yours is excellent. I know of only one person on your side of the fence that is able to use English properly; he is a superb communicator. I hope my suspicion is wrong, because I have much respect for that person. There is one other who is as belligerent as you, though.

Keep the baseless insults coming. They amuse me, and I wear them as badges of honor.

My hat is off to Whitemajikman for bringing an end to the global warming hoax.

[whitemajikman]

Well, what do you know... Yaakity-yaak does talk back. Unfortunately, his failure at returning any meaningful response does indeed say it all for him. It merely indicates that he is only capable of poking himself in the eye. You see, I have not said a single word regarding the subjects of chemtrails or global warming and already he has jumped to conclusions and has me identified with some perceived “hoax” that appears to occupy a large portion of his conscious mind (what little there is) and to torment him day and night. This typical behavior of Yaak is the true origin of item number three in his list of sins, which he prefers to attribute to others. Such is a favorite tactic of unruly teenagers who seek and fail to win converts through domination.

Whiteillusionistman, you should realize that such childish arrogance and the use of strong-arm tactics are a real turn-off to people who are in pursuit of the truth. You beg for any alleged “threats” that come your way and then cry like a baby when they materialize.

Excuse me. I do not take assignments from clueless and illiterate little piss-ants — especially those who feel the need to set conditions by deciding which side of an argument I must take.

Bravo!!! You have truly delivered a stand-up performance that really belongs on stage (or from a toilet seat). You may or may not be right. The details are still only conjecture on your part and simply a rehash of what you have read or been taught.

Now I know that you are full of crap, Whitey. You are unbelievably self-absorbed and as dumb as a pile of rocks (or a brick in the wall).

There you go with your assumptions and fantasies again, boy. It is clear that you have absolutely no originality. Your board history reveals the truth about yourself. It must really hurt. I have no hoax and, for that matter, I had no idea that I was running for any public office. By the way, your grammar and syntax really suck. I hope you have someone else who writes all of your résumés for you.

What would you know about truth? Any light that you may possess is artificial. It is false and is easily snuffed out in a flash.

The Shadow knows...


Thank-You Shadow ..........

But Understand this.........

What once was a Thread that belonged to the likes of YOU ( for the purpose to Mis-lead , deceive and recruit people.)


Is now MY thread............

Since Halva has decided to Hide and not debate Man-made Vs. Natural Global Warming one can only assume that he is not serious in the first place regarding his beliefs.........

And since you have nothing to add but a TEMPER TANTRUM induced rebuttal........

What good are you posting on MY thread........

If you wish to take Issue,Make a post regarding Global Warming and where you Stand......

Because I know I will continue to do so.........

Seeing Your above Post gaurantees this.........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

http://rense.com/general59/ssji.htm


Many Species Scramble
To Adjust To Warming
11-9-4

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North American wildlife species ranging from
butterflies to red fox are scrambling to adapt to Earth's rising temperatures and may
not survive, according to a study released on Monday.

Heat-trapping greenhouse gases emitted by vehicles, factories and other human
activities have boosted Earth's temperatures by 1 degree F over the past
century, the Pew Center on Global Climate Change said in a report.

To adapt, North American species like the Edith's Checkerspot butterfly, red
fox and Mexican jay are moving to colder northern climates that suit their
habits, the Pew Center said, citing 40 separate scientific studies.

With global temperatures expected to rise another 2.5 degrees to 10.4 degrees
F by 2100, "future global warming is likely to exceed the ability of many
species to migrate or adjust," the Pew Center said.

The Edith's Checkerspot butterfly has disappeared from many southern,
low-elevation areas like Mexico, fleeing to colder Canadian climes, according to the
report.

The red fox has also moved northward to clash with Arctic fox populations, in
a trend spotted in many other birds, mammals, invertebrates and plants, it
said.

"These responses may alter competition and predator-prey relationships and
have other unforeseen consequences," it said.

Longer growing seasons for plants will also impact the Earth's ability to
clean carbon dioxide from the air, the report said.

Alaska's tundra now emits more carbon dioxide than it absorbs because
temperatures have risen by 4 degrees to 7 degrees F over the last 50 years, the
report said.

Wildlife officials need to expand nature reserves and improve habitat
conservation efforts to give species more flexibility to adjust to changing
conditions, the report said.

Let's See the Scientific Data Please......

Or at least a list of the methods which were used to collect the data.........

And a List of the Funder's who sponsored the Report..........

Otherwise It's Just More Media Bunk........

Like your version of the Event's at Oak ridge................

Jim is the Glass Clear Or frosted...............

And I am not talking about the Cubicles of Ecstacy that you describe on your website.......

But your Mental state.........

WMM

[stuart_allsop]

Merry Christmas JR and company and to you Wayne. I hope that you and your families have a joyfull and safe holiday this season!

And that goes for all of you readers as well!Aren't you starting just a wee little bit early?

[whitemajikman]

Observation II:

"The heart of a fool is in his mouth, but the mouth of a wise man is in his heart."
Author: Benjamin Franklin

Zero Energy Homes=Environmentally Responsible Design for Sustainable Future

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65615,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5

Zero-Energy Homes Eliminate Electricity Bills
By John Gartner
Wired News
11-8-4

Hundreds of homeowners in California never worry about paying their electric
bills on time. It's not because they are careless; it's because they live in
new "zero-energy" homes that produce as much electricity as they consume. These
homes are not multimillion-dollar prototypes -- they are entry-level homes
using commercially available products.

Zero-energy homes reduce energy demand by up to 70 percent using the latest
energy-efficiency technologies, and generate all the electricity they need from
photovoltaic solar panels. The term zero-energy home was coined by the
Department of Energy as part of a program to create technologies for homes that
would produce all of their own energy by 2010.

While the goal has not been achieved, commercial companies and researchers
have created technologies that today allow homes to provide all of their own
electricity while greatly reducing the amount of fossil-fuel (natural gas, oil or
coal) energy required.

According to the DOE, 26,172 energy-efficient homes have been constructed as
part of the agency's Building America program. Homeowners in the Vista Montana
community of Watsonville, California, where single-family dwellings start at
$250,000, have lopped 90 percent off their utility bills, according to Nicole
Gittleson, vice president of Clarum Homes, which built the houses.

Gittleson said the company will build 267 homes this year that can generate
nearly all of their electricity using solar-panel systems capable of generating
2 to 3 kilowatts of electricity. She said any electricity produced that
exceeds what the homes need is sold back to the energy utility, as required by
California's net metering law. Net metering enables homeowners to sell energy
during the day at the highest rates, which can make up for the cost of any extra
energy needed at night.

Gittleson said one of the methods used in the Vista Montana homes to reduce
energy consumption is the tankless water heater. Tankless devices heat water as
needed instead of keeping a large water tank hot and continuously drawing
energy.

Tim Merrigan, a senior program manager at the National Renewable Energy
Laboratory, said using state-of-the-art energy-efficiency technology adds from
$10,000 to $20,000 to the cost of a new home. In these homes "the (monthly)
utility bill often goes down more than the mortgage goes up," so the payback is
immediate, according to Merrigan.

Completely energy-self-sufficient homes will likely be built in some regions
of the United States by 2010, Merrigan said. Temperate areas of the West are
the easiest places to build these homes, while humid areas of the Southeast are
the most challenging since they require more cooling, he said.

In addition to Clarum Homes, Premier Homes, Pardee Homes, Centex Homes and
others are building houses that reduce utility bills by 50 percent or more,
according to the DOE.

Installing windows that keep heat out in the summer and retain it in the
winter is an effective method of reducing energy costs, according to Joe Wiehagen,
a senior research engineer at the National Homebuilders Association. For
example, spectrally selective windows block out unseen ultraviolet light and solar
heat while allowing visible light to pass through, Wiehagen said.

Wiehagen said electrochromic technology from Sage Electrochromics saves
energy by darkening windows to almost black to block heat from entering. The
windows, which change tint at the press of a button, can be linked to a programmable
thermostat to automatically block or allow light to pass through depending on
the temperature. "These windows can be used anywhere, and may show just as
much benefit in cold climates as in hot climates," he said.

Wiehagen said prefabricated insulating panels used in framing walls and roofs
also aid in making zero-energy homes possible. Many newer homes were built
with the central air/heating system in the uninsulated attic, where it can be
subject to extreme temperatures, he said. Installing panels above the attic
insulates the top of the house, so the "conditioned attic has far fewer losses" in
heating and cooling, according to Wiehagen.

The ground is also a good source of heat for zero-energy homes. Wiehagen said
geothermal heat pumps can collect underground heat through a loop of pipes
and use an electric compressor to concentrate the heat and pump it to the rooms
of the house.

Homeowners looking for the highest return on their investment should put
money into energy-efficiency technologies before installing solar panels, Wiehagen
said. "You can cut your energy bill by 50 percent without photovoltaic solar
panels," he said.


Whats your point Jim........

Are you going to tell us that you Developed this technology when the Annunaki Lizard King sent you subliminal Messages,while you were porking your Secretary in the frosted cubicle due to over exposure of fluoride at Oak Ridge.........

WMM

[stuart_allsop]

From Jim Phelp's website:
"I have degrees in Electrical Engineering from the University of Tennessee."


Thanks for the link, Jay! But Jimmy boy's wild claims don't stop at science and technology.. they carry right on through to religion. Did you see this part of his resumé: "I had discovered that the Bible's miracles were really just simple rational events of natural processes. There were no real miracles, only misrepresentation and overselling by those interested in making money from religion."

Uhmmm hmmm. Yup. For sure. People still often do come back to life after they've been dead for three days, and are already stinking up the place with their rotting corpses. Happens all the time, all around the world, doesn't it? Quite natural. It's so common, in fact, that it never even gets reported on or commented on in the news, right, Jim? And we all know how filthy rich Jesus became in the end, from doing all those miracles, right, Jim? I mean, he lived in that huge mansion of his, had all that gold piled up to the roof all over, and was just wallowing in cash, wasn't he, Jim?

Tell me, Jim: Is it easy to think up such ludicrously laughable claims? Or do you have to work at it for a while? Do you ever feel even the slightest glimmer of remorse for the people you hurt with your silliness? Have you figured out yet that NOBODY believes any of it any more? That you are actualy the laughing stock of the conspiracy-theory community, and even more so of the debunker community?

But please don't stop now! Just carry right on: Your entertainment value is just priceless. Comedy this good is really hard to find, and especially for free!

[whitemajikman]

Shadow, since you are bringing to my attention some of those dozens of messages that for me show up as:

"This message is hidden because whitemajikman is on your ignore list."

I would like to point out that there can be no motivation in Europe for a rank-and-file activist to engage in debate on the reality or non-reality of anthropogenic global warming. The scientists and politicians are almost unanimous in accepting the reality of anthropogenic climate change. Even people otherwise in the enemy camp like Tony Blair are verbally onside.

If I don't have to convince Tony Blair why do I have to make the effort to convince some irrelevant litle jerk who has already run his head once into a brick wall through trying - for some reason he alone knows - to intervene from the other side of the world in the real-life relations I have with ecological activists in my own city and country.

I would not debate even with someone who was a serious and professional misleader. I could safely leave that to the eco-professionals on our side, even if they were and are chemtrail deniers.


Then Tell your Eco-professional Spin Doctors to get their butt's over here,before you continue to embarass them even more.........

Oh and Halva when I did Intervene And Before I made that Call To Green- peace's Greek Offices.......

The First Call I made Was To My Old friend Anastasios Papaligouras and asked all about you and your supposed Activist friends.......

How do you think I know about the watch they have you under ,you little deceiver........

I think it would be best for you to Shut Up...........

You are no Activist.......Unless Spreading Terror has now become your cause of choice........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

The One-Percent Solution

CEI / EU Reporter Online
By Iain Murray
November 03, 2004



Many of the scientific papers that have contributed to global warming alarmism over recent weeks (such as the study that predicted the ruin of California’s wine industry or the more recent study predicting stronger hurricanes by 2080) have depended on models that assume atmospheric increases of carbon dioxide concentrations by one percent per year from 1990 to the end of the century.

This assumption is not backed up by the evidence, which has seen concentration increase by only 0.4 percent per year since 1990. University of Virginia climatologist Patrick Michaels drew attention to this problem in a Cato Institute op-ed published on October 6 ("Debunking the Latest Hurricane Hype," available at www.cato.org).

He commented, "Because carbon dioxide increases have been bouncing around four-tenths of a percent per year for three decades, why do climate modelers insist on using the wrong number? It seems peculiar that people who have the equivalent of doctorates in applied physics (which is what climate science is) would somehow be perfectly happy to do something they know is wrong.

"I began asking that question at scientific meetings a decade ago. At that time, I asked Kevin Trenberth, a highly visible atmospheric scientist from the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research, who often testifies to Congress on climate issues. He told me it was done because it was ‘convention.’ That answer doesn’t set well with me, because it’s awfully easy to program a computer to increase a variable by half a percent instead of 1 percent per year.

"That leads to the final, nagging question. There are literally hundreds of scientific papers out there in which climate models use this wrong number. Each of those papers gets sent to three outside peer-reviewers. The fact that 1 percent continues to be used only means one thing: when it comes to global warming, hundreds of scientists must prefer convention to truth."




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Drought alarmists accept Medieval Warm Period

Cooler Heads newsletter
By Iain Murray
October 13, 2004


Paleoclimatologists have warned that the American West could be in for a long period of severe drought, but in doing so have had to accept the existence of the Medieval Warm Period.


Edward Cook of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in New York and colleagues wrote in the October 8 issue of Science magazine, “The western United States is experiencing a severe multiyear drought that is unprecedented in some hydroclimatic records…. Using gridded drought reconstructions that cover most of the western United States over the past 1,200 years, we show that this drought pales in comparison to an earlier period of elevated aridity and epic drought in AD 900-1300, an interval broadly consistent with the 'Medieval Warm Period'…. If elevated aridity in the western United States is a natural response to climate warming, then any trend toward warmer temperatures in the future could lead to a serious long-term increase in aridity over western North America.”

The researchers say that the key to the drought lies in the weather pattern called La Nina, which is characterized by the upwelling of cold water from the bottom of the Pacific in eastern tropical waters. Climate models show this reduces rainfall in the West (Reuters, Oct. 7).


The current drought, however, may not be as severe as currently depicted. In an article accepted for publication in a forthcoming issue of the journal Pure and Applied Geophysics, Roger Pielke, Sr. and colleagues find that, “The consequences of the most recent drought have been exceptional for some uses (e.g. suburban watering; wells, cattle grazing), but the precipitation deficit for most areas in Colorado was not exceptional (although quite dry). The reason for the heightened consequences (and awareness in the media) is that there is more competition for the available water, due to population growth…. This is a human caused shortage due to the population requirements and competition with agricultural uses, not an unprecedented precipitation shortage.”

The Pielke paper is available at http://blue.atmos.colostate.edu/publications/pdf/R-285.pdf

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Oh, the irony

Cooler Heads newsletter
By Iain Murray
October 13, 2004


Readers may remember the controversy over the mistake made in a recent paper by Ross McKitrick and Patrick Michaels, which hinged on an error in calculation of the cosine of latitudes. In this context, they may be interested to see this comment from the paper by Von Storch et al. (see last issue) that shattered any remaining credibility held by Michael Mann’s “hockey stick”:


“Monthly nearsurface temperature anomalies were standardized and subjected to an Empirical Orthogonal Function Analysis, in which each grid point was weighted by (cos f)^1/2, where f is the latitude (Mann et al. 1998 erroneously use a cos f weighting).”

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Hockey Stick reduced to sawdust

Cooler Heads Coalition
By Iain Murray
October 08, 2004



Once again (see previous issue), a new study finds that the “hockey stick” reconstruction of past temperatures produced by Michael Mann and colleagues is based on methodological errors and shortcomings. In “Re-constructing Past Climate from Noisy Data” (Science Express, Sept. 30), Hans von Storch and colleagues first looked at the likelihood of being able to get an accurate climate signal from historical proxy data (tree rings, boreholes, ice cores, etc.) by estimating the amount of statistical “noise” inherent in such data. They discovered that the amount of noise was such that it was likely that hockey-stick like reconstructions had severely underestimated past climate variability.



This would explain why the hockey stick, which claims to show that the global mean temperature during the first 900 years of the last millennium was relatively stable and then rose sharply in the twentieth century, failed to show evidence of the Medieval Climate Optimum and the Little Ice Age, for which there is a great deal of historical and paleo-climatological evidence. The hockey-stick graph was featured prominently in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report, published in 2001.



In a commentary on von Storch et al’s paper, T. J. Osborn and K. R. Briffa, prominent paleo-climatologists from the University of East Anglia, stress the importance of the findings. They say, “The message of the study by von Storch et al. is that existing reconstructions of the NH temperature of recent centuries may systematically underestimate the true centennial variability of climate” and, “If the true natural variability of NH [northern hemisphere] temperature is indeed greater than is currently accepted, the extent to which recent warming can be viewed as “unusual” would need to be reassessed.”



In an interview with the German newspaper Der Spiegel, von Storch commented, “We were able to show in a publication in ‘Science’ that this [hockey stick] graph contains assumptions that are not permissible. Methodologically it is wrong: rubbish.” Von Storch also pointed out the IPCC’s role in cutting off questioning on the subject: “It remains important for science to point out the erroneous nature of the Mann curve. In recent years it has been elevated to the status of truth by the U. N. appointed science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). This handicapped all that research which strives to make a realistic distinction between human influences and climate and natural variability.”



Von Storch also commented on Mann’s defense of his now thoroughly discredited research. “His influence in the community of climate researchers is great,” he said. “And Mann rejects any reproach most forcefully. His defensiveness is understandable. Nobody likes to see his own child die. But we must respect our credibility as research scientists. Otherwise we play into the hands of those skeptics of global climate change who imagine a conspiracy between science and politics.”




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Consensus: Hurricanes not caused by global warming

Cooler Heads Coalition
By Iain Murray
October 08, 2004



Florida’s bad luck in being hit by four hurricanes this summer has been pounced on by alarmists. Mark Lynas, whose main claim to fame is to have shoved a pie in the face of Bjørn Lomborg, wrote gleefully in The Washington Post (Sept. 19), “It almost seems as though the storm was trying to deliver a forceful reminder of the reality of climate change and the need to act now to address it.” Later on, he referred to “nature’s fury.”



Scientific experts, however, agree that global warming is not a factor in the current spate of hurricanes. Nor is the trend likely to get worse. Scientists from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, told the Post (Sept. 3), “It's a fact that nobody so far has been able to show – from the observed storms – a tendency to have more intense storms.” Kerry Emmanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology told UPI on September 20 after another hurricane had hit, “The intensity of current hurricanes such as Ivan cannot be attributed to global warming.”



One widely reported study (by Knutson and Kuleya, published in the Journal of Climate) did suggest that, “A greenhouse gas *induced warming may lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms.” However, the study appears flawed in that, to begin with, it estimated growth in greenhouse gas concentrations at 1 percent per year, rather than the currently occurring 0.4 percent per year, which results in much higher concentrations by mid-century, which is when the risk of destructive storms is supposed to increase.



The study is also testable against the historical record. Sea surface temperatures have been increasing since the 1880s. There is no correlation in the Global Historical Climatology Network’s record between sea surface temperature increase and hurricane intensity.




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Carbon dioxide is your friend

Washington Times / CEI
By Marlo Lewis, Jr.
October 06, 2004



Jeffrey Sparshott's otherwise excellent article "Putin Cabinet approves signing of Kyoto protocol" (Business, Friday) unwittingly promotes the alarmist view that carbon dioxide emissions (one of the "greenhouse-gas emissions" he mentions)are necessarily "pollution" and, consequently, that the United States is the "world's heaviest polluter."

A clear, odorless gas that is nontoxic to humans at many times current atmospheric levels, CO2 neither fouls the air, impairs visibility, nor contributes to respiratory disease.

More important, CO2 is the basic building block of the planetary food chain, and rising concentrations help most plants grow faster and bigger, use water more efficiently and resist pollution and other environmental stresses. The ecological benefit of an atmosphere richer in CO2 is well-nigh universal, because all animals depend, directly or indirectly, on plants as a food source. Empirical studies suggest that the 100 parts per million increase in atmospheric CO2 content over the past 150 years has increased mean crop yields by significant amounts: for example, about 60 percent for wheat, 33 percent for fruits and melons, and 51 percent for vegetables.

Were it not for the extra CO2 put into the atmosphere by fossil fuel combustion, many people now living might not exist or many forests now standing might have been cleared and turned into farmland — or both. Far from polluting the planet, CO2 emissions are greening the Earth, enhancing biodiversity and global-food availability.

MARLO LEWIS
Senior Fellow
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Washington




WMM

[whitemajikman]

No emission reductions with Russian ratification

George Marshall Institute
By Mark Herlong
September 24, 2004



There will be NO appreciable CO2 emissions reduction even if Russia ratifies the Kyoto Protocol

Climate analysts at the George Marshall Institute said today there will be no appreciable reduction in carbon dioxide emissions even if Russia adopts the Kyoto Protocol, allowing it to enter into force. Yesterday, several press accounts indicated that Russia may be reversing its position on the treaty.

“Russia will benefit from a great wealth transfer as EU funds flow into the country in exchange for rights to Russian CO2 allowances,” Institute President William O’Keefe said. “The tangible effect on carbon dioxide emissions will be non-existent.”

O'Keefe said Russia is so far below its allocated emission levels that it will be able to trade its excess to the European Union, who, in turn, will technically meet the Kyoto target but not reduce their CO2 emissions at all.

Russia emitted 1614 million metric tons of CO2 in 2001, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) 2004 International Energy Outlook. The European Union produced 4123.3 million metric tons of CO2 in 2002 (data from the European Commission, press release, July 15, 2004).

The Kyoto Protocol calls for the European Union to reduce its CO2 emissions by 8% from 1990 levels by 2008-2012. According to the European Commission, 1990 emissions totaled 4245.2 million metric tons, which would require the EU to meet a 3905.5 million metric ton mark by 2008-2012. Credible projections suggest that EU CO2 emission levels will begin rising again, following modest decline from 1990 to 2002. Russia is required to maintain its 1990 level of emissions in the same timeframe. The EIA puts Russian CO2 emissions in 1990 at 2405 million metric tons, meaning that it need only maintain that same amount. In fact, its 2001 emissions were significantly below that level (by 791 million metric tons). EIA projections call for a modest increase in Russian emissions, but the level will remain well short of the level allowed under the Kyoto Protocol.

“The Russians can sell the EU their excess allowances under the emission trading system called for by the Protocol and European emissions of CO2 will rise as they are expected to,” O’Keefe concluded. “The net effect will be minor, at best.”




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Hockey stick now in splinters

Cooler Heads Coalition
By Iain Murray
September 15, 2004


Canadian researchers Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick have published an update on their work that raises even more doubts about the legitimacy of the so-called “hockey stick” temperature reconstruction of the University of Virginia’s Michael Mann and colleagues (MBH98).


Nature magazine, in which MBH98 originally appeared, recently published a Corrigendum by Mann, which corrects some of the errors uncovered by McIntyre and McKitrick. Nature had also agreed to publish a further 800-word criticism by McIntyre and McKitrick of the methodology and results obtained by MBH98. However, after adding a third reviewer who was much less supportive of their findings than those who recommended publication of the initial submission and after reducing the number of words allowed for the piece to 500, Nature informed McIntyre and McKitrick that they had decided against publishing their article.


Nature said, “In the light of this detailed advice, we have regretfully decided that publication of this debate in our “Brief Communications Arising” section is not justified. This is principally because the discussion cannot be condensed into our 500-word/1 figure format (as you probably realise, supplementary information is only for review purposes because Brief Communications Arising are published online) and relies on technicalities that do not bring a clear resolution of the underlying issues.”


McIntyre and McKitrick comment that, “This decision primarily reflected the views of the new reviewer, who stated: ‘Generally, I believe that the technical issues addressed in the comment and the reply are quite difficult to understand and not necessarily of interest to the wide readership of the Brief Communications section of Nature. I do not see a way to make this communication much clearer, particularly with the space requirements, as this comment is largely related to technical details.’” In other words, Nature decided that a discussion of fundamental issues of how the “hockey stick” was arrived at would not be of interest to many people.


McIntyre and McKitrick have posted their draft submissions and correspondence with Nature at http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/fallupdate04/update.fall04.html. The site also discusses another aspect of their work, an investigation into various “lacunae and additional inaccuracies” in MBH98. In the process, they describe how neither Prof. Mann nor Nature magazine have provided access to important parts of the data on which MBH98 relies.


They comment, “Reluctance on the part of Mann et al. and Nature to produce the results for their ‘experiments,’ and in particular for the AD1400 step, would be one thing if the source code that generated them were available; but the refusal to provide either one is completely unjustifiable, especially since Nature based its decision against our paper, in part, on claims about the RE statistics that can only be verified by looking at the "experiment" results. We surmise, based on our implementation of the methodology, that the R-squared and Coefficient of Efficiency (as this is defined in paleoclimate studies) statistics fail to reach statistical significance for the AD1400 step. It may also show that there are other problems in MBH98 besides the ones that we have described already.”

They conclude, “While we are frustrated that the time invested in the Nature process did not result in their willingness to correct the publication record therein, it did at least allow us to clarify several methodological issues, especially the crucial role of the controversial bristlecone pine series. We will submit a revised article to a peer reviewed publication. We have also submitted an abstract for a planned presentation at the forthcoming AGU meeting in December.”




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Earth still cooler than normal

Cooler Heads Coalition
By Iain Murray
September 15, 2004



The global temperature readings for August 2004 from the Earth System Science Center of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, based on satellite readings, show the recent trend of cooler than normal temperatures is continuing.

The global composite temperature for August was 0.07°C (about 0.13°F) cooler than the twenty-year average for 1979-1998, caused mainly by a cool Southern hemisphere. The Northern hemisphere was 0.09°C warmer than the average.


UAH’s Dr. John Christy said that the data showed that, “For the continental U. S., August completed the coolest summer in a dozen years and the second coolest in the 26-year satellite record.” Moreover, the coolest summer, 1992, was a result of factors not present this summer. “That summer,” said Dr. Christy, “was cool due to the global shading from the Mount Pinatubo eruption. This summer there isn’t anything like that to pin it on. It was just a cool summer.”




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Cool summers give global warmers the freeze

FoxNews.com
By Steven Milloy
September 10, 2004


It's been a disappointing summer for global warming alarmists.

Hollywood, Mother Nature and the media just haven't cooperated. Even with the unusual situation of two successive hurricanes pounding Florida and another bearing down imminently, global warming hysteria seems to be on ice for now.

The summer began with so much promise for the climate control crowd with the release of the global warming disaster movie, "The Day After Tomorrow." While the movie made plenty of money, global warming activists wanted much more than that. They hoped the movie would foment global warming hysteria in the same way that "The China Syndrome" and "Silkwood" contributed to public sentiment against nuclear power plants.

Instead, the movie was so over-the-top with implausible weather phenomena that no one — not even the usually global warming-sympathetic media — took it seriously. Then, unlike the movie, the real "day after tomorrow" turned out to be pretty nice.

Across the U.S., summer temperatures were cooler than normal. Aberdeen, S.D., experienced its coolest August in 115 years with an average temperature seven degrees below normal (63.4 vs. 70.5).

Michigan officials attribute a dip in visits to state parks and other outdoor attractions to cooler weather.

"The water temperature along the [Lake Michigan] beach usually is in the 60s from Memorial Day to Labor Day, reaching the low 70s during the hottest days of July and August. Except for a few days in early July and again in mid-August, the water temperature never reached 70 this year," a Michigan official told The Associate Press.

Portland, Maine's high temperature of 82 degrees in July was the coldest high temperature ever recorded for the month, and the average daily high was four degrees below normal at 74.6 degrees.

An apparent heat wave in Monterey, Calif., this week "is actually fairly typical, it just seems to stand out because we've had a particularly cool summer so far," a National Weather Service spokesperson told the Monterey County Herald.

It's hard to get people worked up about "global warming" when it's too cool to get in the pool.

The final indignity of this summer forced upon the global warmers came this week with media reports on Hurricanes Charley, Frances and the coming Ivan. Though stronger, more frequent hurricanes are the sort of severe weather that activists want us to believe are attributable to global warming, meteorologists and the media just aren't cooperating.

The Miami Herald interviewed National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist Stanley Goldenberg and reported on Sept. 8: "Research Goldenberg conducted with NOAA scientist Chris Landsea, private expert William Gray and others found distinct patterns of low-activity hurricane periods and high-activity periods, each of which endured for decades. These patterns, unrelated to the current concern over global warming, are caused by regular cycles of oceanic and atmospheric phenomena, such as unusually warm water in hurricane breeding grounds."

The New York Times reported on Sept. 5: "Global warming is not a significant factor in this year's storminess, experts said. While some climate models predict that warming might eventually mean somewhat stronger hurricanes, that effect is expected to be very small compared to the natural hurricane cycle."

The Washington Post began a Sept. 3 article with, "Bad luck, not global warming, is the best explanation for the arrival of two severe hurricanes on the Florida peninsula in three weeks, several experts said yesterday."

These reports must be particularly bitter pills to swallow for the activists since the Times, Post and Herald don't typically pass up opportunities to promote the agenda of global warmers. As the summer fades into fall, so too will fade the season for global warming polemics.

Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the author of "Junk Science Judo: Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams" (Cato Institute, 2001).




WMM

[whitemajikman]

Scientist contributes to alarmism

Cooler Heads Coaltion
By Iain Murray
September 01, 2004



Princeton University scientist Robert Socolow recently co-authored a paper (Pacala, S., Socolow, R., “Stabilization wedges: solving the climate problem for the next 50 years with current technologies,” Science, 305, 968-972) which argues that existing technologies are sufficient to significantly reduce anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions if widely adopted. The paper significantly did not consider the costs of adopting these existing technologies.

In a story based on the article, Dr. Socolow is reported as telling the Washington Post (Aug. 23), “If governments fail to act…the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will triple in 50 years. ‘Keeping it below a doubling is a heroic task,’ he said.”

The Greening Earth Society pointed out the hyperbole involved in this statement (World Climate Alert, Aug. 25):

“Before people began burning fossil fuels to release the energy that powers life as we know it, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide was about 280 parts per million. It’s now about 375 ppm — an increase of about 34 percent. Twenty-five years ago the concentration was around 330 ppm, or 18 percent above background. In other words, Socolow is telling Eilperin (apparently with a straight face) that the 16 percent rise in the last twenty-five years will morph into a 300 percent rise in the next fifty “if governments fail to act.” This is nonsensical! To triple the 280 ppm background by 2053, the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration must increase 1.65 percent per year.

“According to data compiled by the U. S. Energy Information Administration, the amount of carbon dioxide emissions per capita has been dropping worldwide since the 1980s and population (all those “capita”) isn’t increasing at nearly the rate predicted twenty-five years ago. In 1980, the United Nations predicted a global population of 15 billion by 2050. Their most recent estimate is nine billion. They’ve reduced their population prediction 40 percent. As companies have competed to produce and deploy more efficient technologies (principally in developed countries), the rate of increase in the atmospheric CO2 concentration has remained much smaller than the required 1.65 percent per year. In fact, it has changed very little. Over the period for which we have accurate records (1958 to present), the increase has fluctuated between 0.4% per year and 0.45%.”




WMM

[Yaak]

Worth Repeating:




WMM:
Are you going to tell us that you Developed this technology when the Annunaki Lizard King sent you subliminal Messages, while you were porking your Secretary in the frosted cubicle due to over exposure of fluoride at Oak Ridge.........

Stuart:
But please don't stop now! Just carry right on: Your entertainment value is just priceless. Comedy this good is really hard to find, and especially for free!

[halva]

You are ruthless, Jim. You have thoroughly shamed the Shadow with the quotations you posted.

......and speaking of syntax, Shadow, yours is excellent. I know of only one person on your side of the fence that is able to use English properly; he is a superb communicator. I hope my suspicion is wrong, because I have much respect for that person. There is one other who is as belligerent as you, though.

Keep the baseless insults coming. They amuse me, and I wear them as badges of honor.

My hat is off to Whitemajikman for bringing an end to the global warming hoax.



Yaak, you are ignore-listed for me. That makes four.

[ichoose]

John McCain's next big project is Global Warming. He supposedly will battle this issue with the intensity that he fought campaign finance reform.

http://members.acsworld.net/acrediblepresident/

[whitemajikman]

Yaak, you are ignore-listed for me. That makes four.

Ignore list all you want Wayne,nobody is paying attention to your Eco-terrorism Rhetoric..........

Global Warming is a natural Occurence........


And congratulate yourself..........

You now have entered into the realms of respectability that is usually reserved for the Jim Phelps of this world.........

NON-Existent..........

WMM

[halva]

Russian president signs ratification of Kyoto Protocol on global warming - MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer
Friday, November 5, 2004


(11-05) 12:11 PST MOSCOW (AP) --

Russia gave final approval to the Kyoto Protocol on global warming as President Vladimir Putin signed legislation ratifying the landmark environmental pact that seeks to slow global warming by reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, the Kremlin said Friday.

The protocol, ratified by both houses of Russia's parliament last month, commits 55 industrialized nations to make significant cuts in emissions of gases like carbon dioxide by 2012.

The United States and Australia have rejected the pact, which was signed by Putin late Thursday and could not have come into effect without Russia, which accounted for 17 percent of carbon dioxide emissions in 1990. The United States accounted for 36 percent of carbon dioxide emissions that year.

Germany praised Russia's ratification, joining Japan, Britain and others in saying the pact should give new impetus to countries trying to tackle transnational environmental problems.

"With the entry into force of the protocol, it sees a decisive step by the international community toward more climate protection," said Hans-Hermann Langguth, a spokesman for German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

Japanese Environment Minister Yuriko Koike said earlier this week that Tokyo -- one of the pact's biggest promoters -- would "continuously urge the United States, Australia and other countries which have not ratified the protocol" to do so.

The pact's approval followed fierce debate among Russian officials. Opponents, led by Putin's economic adviser, Andrei Illarionov, warned that it would hobble the nation's humming economy.

Kyoto backers, however, rejected the claim, saying that even after a five-year recovery, the post-Soviet economic meltdown has left emissions some 30 percent below the baseline.

Energy Minister Viktor Khristenko said Friday he "shared the skeptical attitude" of opponents, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency, but he noted that it would also form "a new sector on the global market, which is both interesting and promising."

Putin pledged in May to speed up approval in return for the European Union's support of Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization. The 1997 pact will take effect 90 days after Russia notifies the United Nations of its ratification.

One of the key provisions of the pact allows countries to trade greenhouse gas emission allowances. The European Union is launching a trading system in January under which European companies that emit less carbon dioxide than allowed can sell unused allotments to those which exceed the target.

The profit motive is expected to drive efforts and technology, and EU officials expect "substantial cuts" in emissions of carbon dioxide, which makes up 80 percent of the EU's greenhouse gases.

Russia's rusting Soviet-era power stations, aging pulp mills and creaking blast furnaces could potentially be the biggest source of emissions quotas for Kyoto signatories, Kyoto specialists say -- and could thus attract foreign investment. Under the treaty's so-called Joint Implementation, foreign companies will be able to invest in cleaning up the country's decrepit industry and claim the emissions reductions achieved as their own.

Economist Yuri Safonov, with the Russian Higher School of Economics, told ITAR-Tass that Russia should be able to sell quotas for the discharge of about 2.2 billion tons of greenhouse gases without hurting its economy.

"This amount is no problem for the Russian industry," Safonov said. "It will enable the country to attract new investments in the development of its fuel and energy complex, including the thermal electrical utilities, and in the housing and utility services."

Industrialized countries will have until 2012 to cut their collective emissions of six key greenhouse gases to 5.2 percent below the 1990 level. Greenhouse gases are believed to trap heat in the atmosphere, warming the Earth and changing the climate.

The next round of international climate talks is scheduled for next month in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and negotiations on curbing emissions after 2012 are due to start next year.


URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/05/international1511EST0589.DTL

[foot_soldier]

November 10, 2004
U.K. Lords Committee Backs Blair on Airline Pollution Plan
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=a_2cioVHBHh4&refer=uk

Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- A U.K. House of Lords committee backed Prime Minister Tony Blair's plan to make regulations encouraging airlines to cut pollution, saying the government must act to curb the industry's damage to the Earth's climate.

"Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense,'' said Lord Ronald Renton, chairman of the Committee on Environment and Agriculture. "Jet engines directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene. This is alarming when air travel is predicted to grow rapidly.''

The comments suggest the upper chamber of the U.K. parliament, which objected to government bills on fox hunting and gay rights, will support Blair's effort to reduce pollution by European airlines.

In September, Blair said he would press airlines to join the European Union's emissions trading plan, which would put a price on the cost of pollution and prod the industry to cut emissions.

The measures if enacted would require companies including British Airways Plc, Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Air France SA to pay for curbing emissions at a time when higher oil prices and competition from discount airlines have eroded the industry's profitability.

Aircraft Pollution

The government is concerned that aircraft by 2030 may produce a quarter of the gasses blamed for damaging the Earth's climate and causing global warming. Blair said he'd make the issue a priority next year when Britain leads the 25-nation EU and Group of Eight nations.

"The U.K. government has an unprecedented opportunity in 2005 to influence climate change policy,'' Renton said. "The government must try to convince the EU to include aviation in its mandatory emissions trading scheme as soon as possible.''

Britain and the rest of the EU signed up to the 1997 Kyoto agreement, which calls for industrial nations to cut emissions of carbon dioxide 5.2 percent below 1990 levels by the end of this decade. That would require the U.K. to lessen reliance on oil, coal and other fossil fuels that produce carbon dioxide when burned. The U.S. repudiated the Kyoto plan in 2001.

Lobby groups including the Confederation of British Industry already have complained about the government's climate change levy, which puts higher taxes on fuels such as coal that produced the most carbon dioxide when burned.

The Lords committee released a report on global warming drawing attention to the issue and spelling out options for government. The committee includes members from both Blair's Labour Party and the opposition Conservatives.

Renton served as a Home Office and Foreign Office minister in Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government and was granted the title of "baron'' in 1997, entitling him to a seat in the House of Lords.

***
Aviation and the Global Atmosphere
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/index.htm

[whitemajikman]

Russian president signs ratification of Kyoto Protocol on global warming - MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer
Friday, November 5, 2004


(11-05) 12:11 PST MOSCOW (AP) --

Russia gave final approval to the Kyoto Protocol on global warming as President Vladimir Putin signed legislation ratifying the landmark environmental pact that seeks to slow global warming by reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, the Kremlin said Friday.

The protocol, ratified by both houses of Russia's parliament last month, commits 55 industrialized nations to make significant cuts in emissions of gases like carbon dioxide by 2012.

The United States and Australia have rejected the pact, which was signed by Putin late Thursday and could not have come into effect without Russia, which accounted for 17 percent of carbon dioxide emissions in 1990. The United States accounted for 36 percent of carbon dioxide emissions that year.

Germany praised Russia's ratification, joining Japan, Britain and others in saying the pact should give new impetus to countries trying to tackle transnational environmental problems.

"With the entry into force of the protocol, it sees a decisive step by the international community toward more climate protection," said Hans-Hermann Langguth, a spokesman for German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

Japanese Environment Minister Yuriko Koike said earlier this week that Tokyo -- one of the pact's biggest promoters -- would "continuously urge the United States, Australia and other countries which have not ratified the protocol" to do so.

The pact's approval followed fierce debate among Russian officials. Opponents, led by Putin's economic adviser, Andrei Illarionov, warned that it would hobble the nation's humming economy.

Kyoto backers, however, rejected the claim, saying that even after a five-year recovery, the post-Soviet economic meltdown has left emissions some 30 percent below the baseline.

Energy Minister Viktor Khristenko said Friday he "shared the skeptical attitude" of opponents, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency, but he noted that it would also form "a new sector on the global market, which is both interesting and promising."

Putin pledged in May to speed up approval in return for the European Union's support of Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization. The 1997 pact will take effect 90 days after Russia notifies the United Nations of its ratification.

One of the key provisions of the pact allows countries to trade greenhouse gas emission allowances. The European Union is launching a trading system in January under which European companies that emit less carbon dioxide than allowed can sell unused allotments to those which exceed the target.

The profit motive is expected to drive efforts and technology, and EU officials expect "substantial cuts" in emissions of carbon dioxide, which makes up 80 percent of the EU's greenhouse gases.

Russia's rusting Soviet-era power stations, aging pulp mills and creaking blast furnaces could potentially be the biggest source of emissions quotas for Kyoto signatories, Kyoto specialists say -- and could thus attract foreign investment. Under the treaty's so-called Joint Implementation, foreign companies will be able to invest in cleaning up the country's decrepit industry and claim the emissions reductions achieved as their own.

Economist Yuri Safonov, with the Russian Higher School of Economics, told ITAR-Tass that Russia should be able to sell quotas for the discharge of about 2.2 billion tons of greenhouse gases without hurting its economy.

"This amount is no problem for the Russian industry," Safonov said. "It will enable the country to attract new investments in the development of its fuel and energy complex, including the thermal electrical utilities, and in the housing and utility services."

Industrialized countries will have until 2012 to cut their collective emissions of six key greenhouse gases to 5.2 percent below the 1990 level. Greenhouse gases are believed to trap heat in the atmosphere, warming the Earth and changing the climate.

The next round of international climate talks is scheduled for next month in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and negotiations on curbing emissions after 2012 are due to start next year.


URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/05/international1511EST0589.DTL



WAYNE YOU MUST BE BLIND..........how will ratifying the accord stop global warming when it is a natural Occurence..........?



No emission reductions with Russian ratification

George Marshall Institute
By Mark Herlong
September 24, 2004



There will be NO appreciable CO2 emissions reduction even if Russia ratifies the Kyoto Protocol

Climate analysts at the George Marshall Institute said today there will be no appreciable reduction in carbon dioxide emissions even if Russia adopts the Kyoto Protocol, allowing it to enter into force. Yesterday, several press accounts indicated that Russia may be reversing its position on the treaty.

“Russia will benefit from a great wealth transfer as EU funds flow into the country in exchange for rights to Russian CO2 allowances,” Institute President William O’Keefe said. “The tangible effect on carbon dioxide emissions will be non-existent.”

O'Keefe said Russia is so far below its allocated emission levels that it will be able to trade its excess to the European Union, who, in turn, will technically meet the Kyoto target but not reduce their CO2 emissions at all.

Russia emitted 1614 million metric tons of CO2 in 2001, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) 2004 International Energy Outlook. The European Union produced 4123.3 million metric tons of CO2 in 2002 (data from the European Commission, press release, July 15, 2004).

The Kyoto Protocol calls for the European Union to reduce its CO2 emissions by 8% from 1990 levels by 2008-2012. According to the European Commission, 1990 emissions totaled 4245.2 million metric tons, which would require the EU to meet a 3905.5 million metric ton mark by 2008-2012. Credible projections suggest that EU CO2 emission levels will begin rising again, following modest decline from 1990 to 2002. Russia is required to maintain its 1990 level of emissions in the same timeframe. The EIA puts Russian CO2 emissions in 1990 at 2405 million metric tons, meaning that it need only maintain that same amount. In fact, its 2001 emissions were significantly below that level (by 791 million metric tons). EIA projections call for a modest increase in Russian emissions, but the level will remain well short of the level allowed under the Kyoto Protocol.

“The Russians can sell the EU their excess allowances under the emission trading system called for by the Protocol and European emissions of CO2 will rise as they are expected to,” O’Keefe concluded. “The net effect will be minor, at best.”


WMM

[whitemajikman]

Ross Gelbspan's Pulitzer Prize

By Brian Carnell

Thursday, January 22, 2004

The other day I was glancing through some press releases related to global warming events when I happened across a release from a group called Religious Witness for the Earth which announced a November 10, 2003 event marking the fifth anniversary of the U.S. signing of the Kyoto Protocol. The group included a list of a number of speakers including,


Ross Gelbspan [who] is the author of "The Heat Is On: The Climate Crisis, the Cover-Up, the Prescription." Gelbspan won the Pulitzer Prize in 1984 for a series of articles that he wrote for the Boston Globe.

This is a meme that just won't die despite it having been debunked years ago. A Google and Lexis search, for example, finds numerous articles about Gelbspan in which he is referred to as winning a 1984 Pulitzer Prize.

First, Gelbspan did not write any of the articles in the series that won the Pulitzer Prize in 1984. He was apparently involved in editing and conceiving at least some of the stories.

Second, Gelbspan was not among seven Boston Globe employees who were awarded the Pulitzer Prize for that series.

So why do so many people think he did? Because "The Heat Is On" -- in which Gelbspan complains about how global warming critics distort the truth -- touted Gelbspan as a "Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist" and Gelbspan has apparently done little in the intervening years to dissuade people of this falsehood despite being called on it on a number of occasions.

Perhaps Gelbspan could take the time to add this little nugget to the disinformation section of his web site.



WMM

[whitemajikman]

Climate Change During Medieval Warm Period Very Similar to 20th Century Rise in Temperature

By Brian Carnell

Sunday, March 24, 2002

Science published a study last week claiming that a tree ring analysis found striking similarities between 20th century increases in global temperature and the Medieval Warm Period -- a period lasting from 1330 AD to 1600 AD which saw similar increases in temperature.

Researchers examined ancient tree rings at 14 sties on three continents. According to Edward Cook of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,


We don't use this as a refutation of greenhouse warming, but it does show that there are processes within the Earth's natural climate system that produce large changes that might be viewed as comparable to what we have seen in the 20th century.

Not surprisingly, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's climate models simply ignore the Medieval Warm Period. The models simply compare current temperatures to those of the immediately preceding pre-industrial societies. It is almost as if the Medieval Warm Period simply never happened as far as the IPCC is concerned (which makes it a lot easier to claim the current warming trend is completely unprecedented and, therefore, must be due to human-induced changes in the climate.

Source:

Tree Ring Study Shows Warm Cycles. Paul Recer, The Associated Press, March 21, 2002.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Coloring the Debate Over Global Warming

By Brian Carnell

Tuesday, July 2, 2002

Over at TechCentralStation.Com, Nick Schulz has a classic example of how ostensibly objective reports on global warming are driven by political reasons to gloss over problems and disputes about global warming science.

Schulz points to the The National Assessment of the Potential Consequence of Climate Variability and Change, a report on global warming developed during the Clinton administration. This report was in turn used as the basis for the National Academy of Sciences' recent Climate Action Report which has garnered no small amount of debate.

The original draft of the report included to graphs that showed computer projected temperatures for the United States based on two separate computer models developed at the Canadian Climate Center and the Hadley Center respectively.

Now the National Assessment wanted to use both models and presented maps showing future temperature. The problem is that along with not accurately modeling historic temperatures, the Canadian Climate Center and Hadley Center models disagree amongst themselves about future temperatures in the United States. The Canadian model predicts that the most extreme temperatures will occur in the western United States, whereas the Hadley model has the Western United States relatively cool with the highest temperatures concentrated in the Midwest.

The draft originally contained two multi-colored maps that made the different predictions of the two models obvious (these can be viewed in Schulz's article).

Of course that can't be tolerated, so in the final version of the report, those maps were taken out and replaced with maps that relied on a different color scale whose effect is to minimize to the naked eye the differences between the two projections (again, see the maps in Schulz's article).

As Schulz writes,


This stunt throws into question the whole assessment process. Roger Pielke, a respected atmospheric scientist at Colorado State who was involved with the drafting process at the time, said, "I'm disappointed in the whole process. This has been the most closed, unhealthy scientific process I've ever been involved in."

Sounds a lot like the scientific method has been replaced with marketing methods to sell global warming to the public.

Source:

Coloring Climate Change. Nick Schulz, TechCentralStation.Com, June 28, 2002.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Global Warming Shatters Reporter's Abilities to Do Simple Math

By Brian Carnell

Thursday, March 21, 2002

Reuters today released a hilarious account marking the collapse of the Antarctic shelf. According to Reuters,


The Antarctic Peninsular has warmed by 36 degrees Fahrenheit over the past half century, far faster than elsewhere on the ice-bound continent or the rest of the world.

Huh? If the Antarctic shelf had warmed 36 degrees over the last 50 years, the shelf would have collapsed a long time ago. So how did the moron who wrote this arrive at this figure?

Ah, you see, the actual warming was only about 2.5 degrees Celsius. Since 2.5 degrees Celsius is about 36 degrees Fahrenheit, the Reuters reporter concluded that this was a 36 degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature.

Somebody needs to go back to college for a refresher course.

Note, by the way, that the collapse of the Antarctic shelf is not a result of global warming. As the Washington Post noted in its coverage,


Researchers and scientists who study the Antarctic Peninsula cautioned that there was little evidence to directly link the ice shelf collapse to the effects of global warming, which is induced by carbon dioxide and other man-made "greenhouse" gases. Rather, they are blaming a localized warming period that allowed melt water to seep into cracks and trigger massive fracturing of the ice when temperatures dropped.
Sources:

Global Warming Shatters Giant Antarctic Ice Shelf. Reuters, March 19, 2002.

Antarctic Ice Shelf Collapses Into Sea: Scientists Split on Global Warming Role. Eric Pianin, Washington Post, March 20, 2002.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

NBC's Dishonest Coverage of Glacier National Park

By Brian Carnell

Wednesday, October 3, 2001

In early September, NBC ran an intriguingGlobal Warming story. According to the story, the temperature in Glacier National Park had risen over the last century to the point where the famous glaciers were melting. Thanks to humanity's impact on climate, this incredible natural wonder would soon disappear. While that made a compelling story, it turns out to be partly fictitious.

Writing for the Cato Institute, Patrick Michaels notes that interested parties can download detailed temperature records for western Montana, where Glacier National Park is located, on the Internet. The Western Montana Climatological Division maintains climate records for the state that begin in 1895.

The interesting thing about those records is that temperatures in Glacial Park today are almost identical to what they were 107 years ago. So where is the 3 and 1/2 degree increase that NBC claimed was melting the glaciers? This change comes by looking at the data beginning in 1950, when for a variety of reasons the temperature was far lower than it was in 1895.

As Michaels puts it, the anomaly is not that the glaciers are melting -- they were almost certainly melting as soon as that part of the West emerged from a cold period that ended sometime in the middle of the 19th century. The anomaly is that this melting was temporarily slowed down around 1950. Michaels asks,


Why didn't NBC check the regional temperature records for western Montana? Instead of recycling an old story, they could have produced a much better one -- real news -- by showing that Glacier's' glaciers have been melting like this for well over a century and are doing so without any net regional summer warming in the last 100 years.

Ah, but recycling nonsense is so much easier.

Source:

NBC twists facts, again, about Glacier Park. Patrick J. Michaels, Cato Institute, September 15, 2001.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Richard Lindzen on the NAS Global Warming Report

By Brian Carnell

Wednesday, June 27, 2001

When the National Academy of Sciences recently released a report on global climate change it was widely hailed in the media as being incontrovertible proof that there is no serious scientific disagreement about global warming. As CNN's Michelle Mitchell put it, "[the report is] a unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is no wiggle room." Richard Lindzen, one of the 11 scientists who prepared the report recently wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal saying that such claims were pure nonsense.

Lindzen wrote,


Our primary conclusion was that despite some knowledge and agreement, the science is by no means settled. We are quite confident (1) that global mean temperature is about 0.5 degrees Celsius higher than it was a century ago; (2) that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have risen over the past two centuries; and (3) that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas whose increase is likely to warm the earth (one of many, the most important being water vapor and clouds).

But--and I cannot stress this enough--we are not in a position to confidently attribute past climate change to carbon dioxide or to forecast what the climate will be in the future. That is to say, contrary to media impressions, agreement with the three basic statements tells us almost nothing relevant to policy discussions.

Lindzen goes on to say that there is still far too little known to make the jump from the observed climate changes over the past 20 years to the broader claim that human activity will lead to the sort of dire forecasts predicted by many environmentalists.

Source:

Global warming: The press got it wrong. Richard S. Lindzen, Wall Street Journal, June 11, 2001.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

The Problem with Media Coverage of Global Warming

By Brian Carnell

Thursday, April 19, 2001

A recent study by British scientists related to climate change illustrates the problematic way in which the media cover issues that touch on global warming. The study itself was very interesting, but the media coverage tended toward sensationalism.

First, the study. Using satellite data, a team of British researchers demonstrated that the amount of infrared light emanating from the Earth's surface back into space appears to be declining. As the level of manmade greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide increase, more infrared radiation is being trapped in the Earth's atmosphere.

Most newspapers covering this story went with a headline similar to the one chosen by CNN, "Report: Satellite data proves greenhouse effect." CNN chose to run a rather long story about the study, but many papers simply ran short blurbs that included the quote that CNN repeats with lead investigator John Harries saying, "We're absolutely sure, there's no ambiguity: This shows the greenhouse effect is operating and what we are seeing can only be due to the increase in the gases."

Does this, therefore, mean additional evidence for views put forth by groups like the International Panel on Climate Change that average planetary temperature is going to increase dramatically in this century? Actually, no.

Don't take my word for it, though -- that's according to Harries and the other researchers. According to CNN, "the study did not tackle the question of whether Earth's surface temperature is actually increasing. In fact, whether this greenhouse effect will lead to global warming or global cooling is unclear, the study scientists said."

According to Harries the problem with extrapolating from increased infrared to global warming is a lack of knowledge about how cloud cover plays into the equation. "The effects of clouds on the planet is very complex, and frankly we don't understand it," Harries said.

And yet people who continue to question the validity of computer climate models because of the problem with modeling cloud behavior are marginalized as anti-environmentalists who are ignoring all of the scientific evidence in favor of the global warming hypothesis.

I don't know if manmade gases are causing an increase in global temperatures, but I certainly want to see much more reliable information than currently available before going along with the drastic changes required to have any dent in any hypothetical warming.

Source:

Report: Satellite data proves greenhouse effect. CNN, March 14, 2001.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

A Leftist Opposed to the Global Warming Treaty

By Brian Carnell

Wednesday, November 8, 2000

Since topic of global warming and the Kyoto Treaty which is designed to ameliorate the effects of global warming have become a topic of discussion here, it was interesting to see that British climatologist Mick Kelly attacked the West's obsession with global warming, and the Kyoto Treaty in particular, as part of the free market's war on the poor in the developing world.

Now obviously I disagree with Kelly's anti-capitalist rhetoric, but it is good to see someone besides right wing nuts like myself noticing that the Kyoto Protocol would cause enormous damages to developing countries to combat what Kelly calls a "comparatively nebulous threat." Besides which even if the most extreme claims about global warming are accepted, the rather Draconian proposals in the Kyoto Protocol would by the International Panel on Climate Control's own estimate lower the projected warming by only 0.06 degrees Celsius.

The main point where Kelly is wrong is the so-called "flexibility mechanisms" that allow for markets in the trading of a pollutant -- in this case carbon dioxide. Were global warming a legitimate long term threat that could be ameliorated through moderate reductions in carbon dioxide emissions, a global trading scheme would make sense. This is especially the case since the Kyoto treat effectively excludes the developing world from its carbon dioxide emissions limits. The transfer of income and technology to developing countries would be a boon so long as the income and technology actually wound up in the hands of individuals and small groups rather than governments and large corporations, as well as promoting private research into less polluting industrial methods.

Kelly also choose poorly in suggesting the world should be combating famine in Africa rather than global warming; actual famines in the African continent are, unfortunately, largely immune to the sort of interventions Kelly likely has in mind. A better example would have been to point out that more than 1.5 million children will die this year in the developing world from dysentery, most of whom could be saved at very little cost, while developed nations spend all their time selling such countries weapons and worrying about amorphous environmental threats.

Source:

Climate treaty 'robs the poor'. Alex Kirby, The BBC, November 6, 2000.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

What Is Stephen Hawking Talking About?

By Brian Carnell

Tuesday, October 3, 2000

Stephen Hawking is being quoted in a German paper as writing in an upcoming book that the Earth may become uninhabitable thanks to high temperatures within the next millennia. The paper quotes him as saying, "I fear that the atmosphere becomes ever hotter than it is presently. If this occurs, it may reach a Venus-like state of bubbling sulfuric acid. I focus many of my concerns around the greenhouse effect." Assuming this isn't a mistranslation, what is Hawking talking about? Even the worst case global warming scenarios don't support this sort of absurdity. When originally proposed, the global warming hypothesis maintained that additional carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere by human beings would warm the planet by 3 to 6 degrees Celsius over the next 100 years. The most current models, which still have to leave out the enormous complexities such as the role that clouds play in regulating global temperatures, have cut the amount of warming in half -- based on current evidence, the climate is going to warm by anywhere from 1.0 to 3.5 degrees Celsius by 2100.

Although infrequent, such warming has occurred several times within recorded human history -- a similar warming period was responsible for a vast expansion in agriculture during the early medieval period.

But nobody is predicting we're going to turn the Earth into Venus. That's something I'd expect from a third grader trying to understand climate issues, not somebody with Hawking's intelligence (which just goes to show that even the brightest scientists are often complete morons when they start talking about things outside their field).

WMM

[stuart_allsop]

Yaak, you are ignore-listed for me. That makes four.Did anybody else notice that Halva is gradually isolating himself from the real world? He cannot stand to hear the truth, and since he cannot ban the truth-tellers on this board, he chooses instead to stick his head in the sand, stick his fingers in his ears, close his eyes, and yell NYANYANYANYANYANYANYNAYNAYNYANYA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!! at the top of his voice.

How very petty and childish.

And how pitifully typical of your average conspiracy theorist: When confronted with REAL science that proves them wrong, they always react by refusing to listen, in whatever fashion they can. But the best part of it is that we can sit here and laugh at the bufoon Halva, all day and all night, and he can't even hear us!!!!

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[Insurrectionchemistry]

This comes to mind lately:

"While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more likely to complicate the simple." Author: Gerald W. Grumet


Some interesting observations and further opinion:

I don't recall being introduced to some of the more extreme persons on this Forum and I definitely don't want others to think that I am even remotely associated with these individuals on a first name basis. I don't want to know them on such a cordial basis.

It does appear there is an interesting dialectic between a few on this Forum and that of Europe's views on global warming. I do tend to take note that some of the ones on this Forum that exhibit the most extreme views on global warming seem to be Chemical Engineering linked and even one linked to big oil.

It would appear that these Chem. Eng. types here contributed to the global warming equation and might bear some interesting liabilities. Either via loss of jobs, should these problems become more transparent to the American people, or perhaps the John Edward's methods of trial lawyers assigning blame for the problems being caused and costs.

The few of this Forum that dispute the warnings on global warming coming from hundreds of more credible scientists in Europe sounds like a version of the Jewish Talmud in their vitriolic hate language aimed at those that dare expose the issues. No professional persons act in this manner, only those intent on deceit and treachery to obtain false goals.

The other interesting thing to take note is that it was the responsibility of the DOE in the US to make accurate predictions for the problems that Energy production causes to the environment. The DOE labs like Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos are responsible for taking note of the energy use Vs environment equation. The DOE is not particularly known for owning up for responsibility.

DOE is a mirror image of the Bush turn and burn energy use equations, as promoters of big oil and damn the Environment get in the way of our profits. The Bush agenda is like that of the Rockefellers, which is there are too many people and they have to be killed off somehow.

Like it or not global warming effects are weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), as it causes increases in storm energy, like what was seen in the hurricane devastation of Fla. in the past few months. Fla. will likely get a protracted one-two punch, as the water levels rise from the polar melts. Soon, Fla. residents can look forward to their retirement Mecca being either under water or part of a new swamp. Global warming is projected to cause loss of lands in Fla. and varied other coastal areas in the world.

Global warming being termed a WMD that is being used by industrial countries in their pursuits of Energy, is becoming a reality. Global warming has components that are exponential, as the man-made contributions to the warming of the Earth's crust causes varied tectonic shifts, increases in volcanic releases. Positive feedback equations can accelerate the problems.

The bottom line is Europe has long been more environmentally responsible and the US long been the more reckless. Europe, Japan, and even Russia have stepped up to acknowledging the seriousness of the problem. While the reckless and irresponsible cowboy from Texas oil has a similar following here, those near "Carbon Copies" of the Bush-whacker of the Environment Rules progress.

Perhaps, I should aplogize to the Europeans, Japanese, Russians, and others for these arrogant ill intending Americans in evidence here. Be assured that all Americans are not of this mindless vile ilk.

IS

[Insurrectionchemistry]

This one definitely applies to the Few of this Forum:

"They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."
Author: Thomas Brackett Reed


http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=4938&method=full

Leaked Document Shows Coal Industry Plan to Gut
Climate, Air Regulations
From: INSIDE EPA

Coal Industry Document Reveals Strategy For
Opposing Climate Change and Air Quality
Initiatives

An industry group that represents coal producers
and suppliers has been carrying out an ambitious
strategy for defeating or scaling back a host of
ongoing congressional and state initiatives to
limit greenhouse gases, mercury and other air
pollutants, according to a recent internal letter
obtained by Inside EPA.

The letter, sent between governing officers of the
Center for Energy and Economic Development (CEED),
boasts about the group's ties with Republican
officials and provides an unusual window into
CEED's strategy for opposing air pollution control
initiatives, including behind-the-scenes efforts
to defeat proposals by state groups like the
Environmental Council of the States (ECOS) and the
National Governors' Association.

CEED is scheduled to discuss these efforts at its
upcoming annual meeting next month in Naples, FL.

A CEED source says the letter reflects the
organization's "guiding principle of how we do
business" by supporting a balance between energy
production and environmental protection. "There's
nothing in the letter that talks about defeating
any EPA regulation," the source says. However, the
source acknowledges the letter's references to
fighting mandatory climate change control
initiatives reflect key CEED goals. "It's no
surprise that we're opposed to mandatory climate
change programs," the source says, noting the
organization instead supports voluntary and
market-driven initiatives.

Among other things, the group is fighting various
efforts by state attorneys general to regulate
greenhouse gas emissions and other air pollution,
and is using a "citizen army" to help defeat
landmark climate change legislation that its key
sponsors, Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Joseph
Lieberman (D-CT), have vowed to re-introduce next
year.

The June 18 letter from CEED President Stephen
Miller to Peabody Energy CEO Irl Engelhardt -- the
chairman of CEED's board of directors -- lays out
numerous steps the group is taking to urge
Congress and state officials to oppose or scale
back climate change and mercury initiatives, as
well as legal strategies to support the Bush
administration's new source review (NSR) reforms
and fight state lawsuits to force EPA regulation
of carbon dioxide (CO2).

The letter says CEED played a major role in
convincing some state attorneys general (AGs) to
intervene on behalf of the Bush administration in
two separate sets of lawsuits against EPA's NSR
reforms. "We took responsibility for securing
several state attorneys general to intervene on
EPA's side in the first round of litigation
seeking to overturn the NSR 'general
applicability' rules, which our members favored.
Ultimately, eight attorneys general intervened in
support of the Bush administration's position and
CEED had lead responsibility for four of those
AGs."

In addition, Miller says CEED "took advantage of
[its] membership in the Republican Attorneys
General Association to facilitate getting AGs to
intervene in [the] second phase of the NSR
litigation." The second phase involves EPA's new
definition or routine maintenance and repair.

Miller also says CEED has worked hard to defeat an
effort by ECOS -- at the state commissioners' 2004
mid-year meeting held this spring in Hot Springs,
AR -- to produce a resolution urging EPA to drop
the Bush administration's controversial proposal
to cap and trade mercury emissions and instead
issue a strict technology-based rule. "It boggles
the mind to consider how much effort it took to
stop ECOS from passing that resolution, which the
sponsors dropped. . . a couple of days before the
meeting," the letter says.

"The ECOS meeting turned into a raucous affair,
with state officials yelling at one another, one
breaking down in tears all over the mercury
resolution," according to the CEED letter.

ECOS at its annual meeting this year in Oklahoma
City, OK, failed again to pass a resolution on
mercury and other pollutants, after its members
could not reach consensus on how to endorse a
multi-pollutant regulatory approach.

In the letter, CEED also raises concerns about a
new ECOS effort on climate change. "ECOS will
continue to be a challenge moving forward and they
have just formed a Climate Change Working Group.
Left to its own devices, you can imagine what that
working group will conceive."


ECOS's air committee chairperson, Jane Stahl of
Connecticut, said at the annual meeting earlier
this month that the group is first planning to
convene a panel of experts to discuss climate
change before developing any policies on the
issue.


Miller in his letter also suggests CEED was
responsible for persuading two key states not to
participate in a Northeastern initiative to
develop a mandatory climate change program.

"Persuading Pennsylvania and Maryland (as major
coal-consuming states) to stay on the sidelines,
rather than signing onto this initiative, has been
one element of our strategy."

He also cites the organization's success in having
its research, which shows greenhouse gas controls
would harm the economy, posted on a website for
the state-driven Regional Greenhouse Gas
Initiative (RGGI). "We plan to use this research
to sow discord among the RGGI states," Miller
says.

And CEED served as "the lead organization for
outreach to the vast majority of state attorneys
general who intervened on the Bush
administration's side in new litigation designed
to force CO2 regulation under the Clean Air Act,"
the letter says. Miller is referring to litigation
filed by a host of Northeastern states, including
New York and Connecticut, to force EPA to regulate
CO2.

Some of those states later dropped the lawsuit in
order to join litigation by environmentalists that
challenges an EPA rationale on why it is not
regulating CO2.

The group also takes credit for securing
grass-roots opposition to Senate legislation that
would regulate greenhouse gases. "We activated the
Americans for Balanced Energy Choices citizen army
to call targeted U.S. senators, urging them to
vote against"

legislation McCain and Lieberman introduced. At
the time, the lawmakers were planning to offer the
legislation -- which would impose first-time
economy-wide caps on greenhouse gas emissions --
as an amendment to a pending class-action
litigation reform bill.

"Through today, more than 6,000 citizen members
have called or e-mailed their senators. Our most
recent effort follows on the heels of last fall's
citizen army activation, which generated more than
7,000 calls to target senators in opposition to
McCain-Lieberman," the letter says. McCain and
Lieberman eventually abandoned their legislative
effort, pledging to reintroduce the bill in the
next congressional session.

[stuart_allsop]

This comes to mind lately:

... sounds like a version of the Jewish Talmud in their vitriolic hate language ...Ooops! And there goes yet another laughable, ludicrous, loon, with a stupid, sappy statement that only serves to illuminate is incredible ignorance.

So, since you think that the Talmud is full of "vitriolic hate language", I challenge you to provide several such quotations from the Talmud to support your claim. Since you are so good at C&P, I imaghine that this will not be any great difficulty for you.

By far the hardest part is going to be for you to figure out what the Talmud actually is, how it works, and where to find such langauge in it!


(this should be good...)

[stuart_allsop]

Perhaps, I should aplogize to the Europeans, Japanese, Russians, and others for these arrogant ill intending Americans in evidence here.No, I think you should just apologize to all the rest of humaity for being such a poor specimen yourself! And also for failing to have enough intelligence to understand the issue here, and for miserably failing your reading comprehension test: your entire post demonstrates that you didn't bother reading a word of all the solid, sound SCIENTIFIC information that Shawn has been posting here.


Be assured that all Americans are not of this mindless vile ilk.Thank God for that! One of you is PLENTY!

[Yaak]

I would like to take this quiet moment to kindly compliment quite capable Stuart for his light, lively, laughable accumulation of asinine alliterations. :p

[Yaak]

After a couple of years of posting on hoax boards, I have come to the realization that hoaxsters, haters, terrorists and various other enemies of the truth display no senses of humor; and they are angered when someone else does.




:lol: :D :p

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Humm.......

"Wise people talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." Author: Plato

[jayreynolds]

Humm.......

"Wise people talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." Author: Plato

Well, 'insurrectionchemistry'(aka Jim Phelps), sure blew it when he tried to enter into the coven of "chemtrail" hoaxers.

Jim, It's clear you have ignore-listed no-one, and I see you are online reading his thread right now. so defend your claim to have been the man who invented haarp, USRADS, and "chemtrails", and explain why you did not mention any of those things in sworn testimony before a congressional committee.................

WHAT IS YOUR EXPLANATION, JIM PHELPS??????

Your friends in the chem-cult might not have run the logic loop yet, but as I see it, there are only two explanations, either you lied when you made the claims(which is my thought), or you lied under oath, by omitting evidence which implicates YOU as being the 'instrument of death' who conceived those 'instruments of death' !!!!.

EITHER WAY, THOSE WHO YOU MIGHT HOPE WOULD ADMIRE YOU, NOW SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THEM, JIM PHELPS.

[halva]

When Albert Einstein was making the rounds of the speaker's circuit, he usually found himself eagerly longing to get back to his laboratory work. One night as they were driving to yet another rubber-chicken dinner, Einstein mentioned to his chauffeur (a man who somewhat resembled Einstein in looks & manner) that he was tired of speechmaking.

"I have an idea, boss," his chauffeur said. "I've heard you give this speech so many times. I'll bet I could give it for you." Einstein laughed loudly and said, "Why not? Let's do it!" When they arrive at the dinner, Einstein donned the chauffeur's cap and jacket and sat in the back of the room. The chauffeur gave a beautiful rendition of Einstein's speech and even answered a few questions expertly.

Then a supremely pompous professor asked an extremely esoteric question about anti-matter formation, digressing here and there to let everyone in the audience know that he was nobody's fool. Without missing a beat, the chauffeur fixed the professor with a steely stare and said, "Sir, the answer to that question is so simple that I will let my chauffeur, who is sitting in the back, answer it for me."

[halva]

In September 1995 the House Science Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment began a series of hearings on what it called "Scientific Integrity and the Public Trust," the first of which revisited the already-proven issue of ozone depletion.

From his opening statement, subcommittee chair Dana Rohrabacher left no doubt as to where he stood on the issue. The ozone scare, he said, has "turned out to be another basically the-sky-is-falling cry from an environmental Chicken Little, a cry we've heard before when the American people were scared into the immediate removal of asbestos from their schools.... This time the scaremongers managed to stampede the Congress and President [George Bush senior]". In an Orwellian inversion of reality, Rohrabacher continued: "The American people deserve better of their government than scare tactics that are designed to intimidate and repress rational discussion."

Picking up where Rohrabacher left off, Representative John Doolittle, another California Republican, questioned whether the research findings justified a ban on ozone-depleting chemicals. "My own belief," Dolittle proclaimed, "is that the question is still very much open to debate...Theories or speculation about this are not sufficient. We need science, not pseudo-science."

Dolittle was immediately challenged by a Democratic member of the subcommittee, Representative Lynn Rivers of Michigan, who asked Doolittle whether he is a scientist. When he replied in the negative, she asked: "Have you found in peer-reviewed articles or in the broader scientific discourse that people are saying this is not really a problem?"

DOOLITTLE: "I have found that there is no established consensus as what actually is the problem. I found extremely misleading representations by the government and government officials that are not founded on sound science."

RIVERS: "...[W]hat I was asking about is peer-revieweed articles [by] scientists who are...doing this work on a regular basis. Can you give me an example of some of the peer-reviewed publications that you consulted in formulating your opinion that there's no [sound] science?

DOOLITTLE: "Well, youre going to hear from one of the scientists today, Dr. Fred Singer."

RIVERS: "Dr. Singer doesn't publish in peer-reviewed documents'".

DOOLITTLE: "[I]'m not going to get involved in a mumbo-jumbo of peer-reviewed documents. There's a politics within the scientific community, where they're all intimidated to speak out once someone has staked out a position....And under THIS Congress, we're going to get the truth and not just the academic politics."

RIVERS: "[T]he general way to feel certain that you're getting good science is that you put your ideas out in a straightforward way in a peer-reviewed publication and you allow others who are doing the same work to make comments, to criticize, to replicate your findings. And what I'm asking you, in your search for good science, is what peer-reviewed documentation did you use to come up with your decision? What good science did you rely on?"

DOOLITTLE: "My response to you is, it is the proponents of the ban [on ozone-depleting chemicals] that have the burden of producing the good science. I do not have that burden."

(from "The Heat is On" by Ross Gelbspan)

[gaiacomm]

Holiday Season
I would like to wish all of you a wonderful holiday season with the hope and faith that you and your families will be able to celebrate and rejoice that love and peace is always waiting to comfort you all.

Peace to you All!

[gaiacomm]

I find that religious ignorance plays an important role in most wars and conflicts. If people can accept difference and realize that we all live in the same house, just in different rooms, then maybe we all can become the Human Race!
(Gaiacomm)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

Perhaps you would like to review the mess in the world built by some of your Hebrew ancestors? Then reflect most deeply on why you should be so happy about ignorance plagueing the world. It is a bit deeper than a problem of shared rooms in a big house. It is an issue of Camelot and round tables representing equality.

Care to be Exorcised and Enlightened?

Dante says he who does not speak his mind is doomed to hell.

IS


http://www.doewatch.com/antichrist.html

The 3 Tiers of Enlightenment:

Perhaps these insights may help. There are several levels of enlightenment connected with the Biblical Narratives. Depending on the level that you seek, the meaning conveyed and represented can change appreciably. There are three distinct levels:

Level One is the literal level that perhaps 95% of the comprehension levels in the US resides. This is indeed one of the most dangerous levels. It is dangerous because it enables a number of very bad things to build. These folks take the one God approach to the Bible Narratives and don't see the dialectic between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament.

This is the level most manipulated due to the fact of the decline in general intelligence in the US. It is the level exploited by evangelists and the Bush syndicates types. It is the system that has put the US into an impinging Hell. It is the level where just a little knowledge is very very dangerous. This is the level that treats the People of the US much like a heard of dumb cattle.

Because of this, Level One's trademark is The Beast. Level One is marked by those of a childlike immature intellect who wear their evangelical religion on the sleeves to make up for perceived inferior intellectual rigor.

Level Two understanding is the way that the Jews and Zionists would read or understand the Bible narratives. Here they would be paying attention to the nationalistic issues presented by Moses and the Torah. Things like how the Jews are the "Chosen People" and "Goys" are like animals. This too is still a dangerous level, as it provokes the Zionist effects leading to the Armageddon Response. The Jews won't recognize the God of Jesus, but do highly recognize the Old Testament God of Moses.

While the Jews recognize Moses, they don't even have a clue to how to associate the words of Moses to the alchemical methods of the Egyptians, from which much of his inspirations came. One cannot understand the Bible, nor the Torah, by reading only one book and claiming to have the higher understanding. The Level Two factors put down by Moses appear motivated toward taking control of the world by Jewish / Zionist factions. The Bush syndicates embrace this control and profit system that steals away US freedom. Level Two is an ultimate state of Fascism.

The Sign and the Seal of Level Two is the quest for Gold, power, and control. It is the mark of Evil as given by greed for money to control Level One. Level Two avoids the truth and worships false idols. It is the domain of Deceit and Treachery.

Level Three is the highest level of enlightenment and gets into the divine definition or understanding. Level three is the level that Jesus spoke and understood. It is the level that understands the religious icons and symbolism and is the Ethereal. Here they understand that Moses God was a design for Man's use and not vice versa. They speak a sort of divine inspired language of imagery, oftentimes speaking and imparting knowledge by parables.

Level Three understands the issues of how much of the Torah was inspired from the black sciences of the Egyptians and expressed in the alchemical sciences and symbolism. Moses' God is based on these techniques. Moses spoke on this level, but never explained the higher meanings for his words.

Level Three understanding is marked by terms like "The Revelations of Christ" and "The Rapture" of The Christ. Level Three is the ultimate level of truth and the level of language for the discussion of God. Very few people in the history of humans have been able to ascend to this level of knowledge upon high. Those who succeeded: Moses, Jesus, Michelangelo, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin-Luther, Hitler, and JFK. Those that comprehend the concepts to this point, enjoin with a very rare level of intellect associated with God and the Divine.

Those who have risen to this level of ascension to the real concepts and goals for God may take their position alongside Christ at the right hand of God. It will be you who will be called to hold those of religion accountable for the truth. You will be the only ones that can reliably take on the false concepts of the evangelicals, the Bush Syndicate, and those that seek to enslave a world. You have the revelations to hold the Level One and Two accountable toward the real values of good or God.

This epiphany has given you the meanings of Christ's eternal message, and its Rapture should be clear.

If everyone could read and understand the Bible from this level, the world would be a less complicated place, and we would be in the kinder and gentler times. Unfortunately, most of the US's level of comprehension is down in the Level One zone, and wars plague the world due to this most extreme level of lack of comprehension. The US and the world is paralyzed by stupidity.

Other insights:

The views of Popes, Military leaders, US presidents, and others captured along the time line:
http://www.radioislam.org/quotes/q951-1000.htm

Deeper look into the Jewish nationalism:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/March/23%20o/The%20Talmud,%20Racism,%20Hatred%20and%20Anti-Christism%20By%20John%20Anast.htm

Ohh, and let us be politically correct toward our Forum's host and plug Arianna's new Book on "Fools":
http://www.ariannaonline.com/books/fools/index.php


Isn't it wonderful when a plan comes together to take the country back!!!

[gaiacomm]

Jesus was a Jew and never a Christian. He died a Jew and so never converted. Peter on the hand made a deal with Rome and started the Catholic church so they should worship Peter not Jesus. Paul on the other hand had other plans. As for Moses well he did not follow the simple rules given to him. As for the Hebrews well they are still wandering in the desert waiting for their Messiah to free them from the mess they are in now.

[halva]

Ohh, and let us be politically correct toward our Forum's host and plug Arianna's new Book on "Fools":
http://www.ariannaonline.com/books/fools/index.php


Isn't it wonderful when a plan comes together to take the country back!!!

I am sure that when Arianna sees history moving in Europe she will recognize it.

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) she does not recognize it - though it is all around her - in the United States.

[halva]

I can't post all of this article or Ruppert's attorneys will be after me.
See
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/111104_arctic_meltdown_summary.shtml
and pay, if you're interested:

(By the way, I'm not receiving a commission, though if I were smart, maybe I would be asking for one. WH)

Bush Administration and Oil Companies Want Arctic Meltdown

by
Wayne Madsen

[Petroleum elites are benefiting from oil scarcity, because it raises prices. But they also fear oil scarcity, because it raises costs and eventually makes business impossible. And since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives while continuing to encourage rampant consumption, scarcity of fossil fuels may eventually kill them. They don't seem to mind. Maybe the pursuit of world-destroying policies is some kind of compensation for their own mortality --- you know, if I can't live forever, I think I'll take the rest of you down with me. Such a policy is neither government nor business; it's the melodrama of a big dysfunctional family whose patriarchs are finally going crazy - just when their power is at its height.

Here's another metaphor: the Petro-Administration of Cheney-Rice-Bush is like a psychotic who tries to play chess: indifferent to the rules, he simply steals the opponent's king off the board, claims victory, and burns the whole chess-set in the fireplace.

In the following shocker by Wayne Madsen, we learn that there are people high up in Washington who regard the apocalyptic melting of the polar ice caps as a good thing. Why? It will clear new shipping lanes for the exploitation of Arctic oil and gas.

About six years ago I published an essay in the Massachusetts Review called "Scarcity and Compensation in Herman Melville's Moby-Dick." I learned that the American whaling industry did not end because petroleum replaced whale oil; whaling stopped because the animals had been "harvested" almost to extinction, and the only place left to catch them was in the perilous ice floes of the Arctic Ocean. In 1873 thirty-three out of forty whaling ships cruising in the Arctic were destroyed by ice.

Today the American oil industry finds itself back up in the Arctic, chasing petroleum (not whale blubber). But this time, pollutants from its own product have warmed the globe, and instead of destroying our ships, the ice is just melting out of the way! What a wonderful way to settle an old score. - JAH

[stuart_allsop]

I would like to take this quiet moment to kindly compliment quite capable Stuart for his light, lively, laughable accumulation of asinine alliterations. :p

Why thank you, Yaak! Glad you noticed! Your preeminent personal praise is positively powerful, a perpetual privilige for me personally, and pracitcally preferred (to a premium!) over the predominently pervasive pollution propounded by the pompous and pestilent puppet performers prevailing on this platform of poop.

[stuart_allsop]

Holiday Season
I would like to wish all of you a wonderful holiday season with the hope and faith that you and your families will be able to celebrate and rejoice that love and peace is always waiting to comfort you all.

Peace to you All!

Ooops! The record seems to be stuck. Will somebody please gently bump the gaia-auto-mailer until it stops greeting us all out of season? Thank you. We now return you to your regular stream of sewerage from Halva and Co, Inc..

[whitemajikman]

I can't post all of this article or Ruppert's attorneys will be after me.
See
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/111104_arctic_meltdown_summary.shtml
and pay, if you're interested:

(By the way, I'm not receiving a commission, though if I were smart, maybe I would be asking for one. WH)

Bush Administration and Oil Companies Want Arctic Meltdown

by
Wayne Madsen

[Petroleum elites are benefiting from oil scarcity, because it raises prices. But they also fear oil scarcity, because it raises costs and eventually makes business impossible. And since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives while continuing to encourage rampant consumption, scarcity of fossil fuels may eventually kill them. They don't seem to mind. Maybe the pursuit of world-destroying policies is some kind of compensation for their own mortality --- you know, if I can't live forever, I think I'll take the rest of you down with me. Such a policy is neither government nor business; it's the melodrama of a big dysfunctional family whose patriarchs are finally going crazy - just when their power is at its height.

Here's another metaphor: the Petro-Administration of Cheney-Rice-Bush is like a psychotic who tries to play chess: indifferent to the rules, he simply steals the opponent's king off the board, claims victory, and burns the whole chess-set in the fireplace.

In the following shocker by Wayne Madsen, we learn that there are people high up in Washington who regard the apocalyptic melting of the polar ice caps as a good thing. Why? It will clear new shipping lanes for the exploitation of Arctic oil and gas.

About six years ago I published an essay in the Massachusetts Review called "Scarcity and Compensation in Herman Melville's Moby-Dick." I learned that the American whaling industry did not end because petroleum replaced whale oil; whaling stopped because the animals had been "harvested" almost to extinction, and the only place left to catch them was in the perilous ice floes of the Arctic Ocean. In 1873 thirty-three out of forty whaling ships cruising in the Arctic were destroyed by ice.

Today the American oil industry finds itself back up in the Arctic, chasing petroleum (not whale blubber). But this time, pollutants from its own product have warmed the globe, and instead of destroying our ships, the ice is just melting out of the way! What a wonderful way to settle an old score. - JAH


Wayne I am not disputing that there is melting going on.......

I am disputing that it is Man-Made.......

It's time for you to realize this........

You know as well as I that Even if we stopped producing and using pollutants right now.......world-wide.......

And stopped using fossil fuels..........

It will have little effect...........

because their is no solution.........

There are some things that we Just can't fix no matter how much man power and money we throw at it.........

The Earth is still in control of our destiny...........

To think otherwise .....

Is to fool yourself..........

WMM

[foot_soldier]

.....And since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives while continuing to encourage rampant consumption, scarcity of fossil fuels may eventually kill them. They don't seem to mind. Maybe the pursuit of world-destroying policies is some kind of compensation for their own mortality --- you know, if I can't live forever, I think I'll take the rest of you down with me.....
Energy Policy in the making:
Subtitle: "Oh, we acknowledge the regional climate change issue; we just want control of the 'adaptation' process"
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13797&page=1&pp=10

[Yaak]

.....And since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives while continuing to encourage rampant consumption, scarcity of fossil fuels may eventually kill them. They don't seem to mind. Maybe the pursuit of world-destroying policies is some kind of compensation for their own mortality --- you know, if I can't live forever, I think I'll take the rest of you down with me..... This quote contained in the previous post by foot_soldier caught my eye. "since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives" One of their methods is to purchase the alternatives that have been developed like BP Solar. BP bought AMOCO which owned 50% of Solarex. And how about hydrogen fuel?

[dewey189]

<One of their methods is to purchase the alternatives that have been developed like BP Solar>

That's right, and they manipulated research dollars and potential markets to slow the development of alternate forms of energy.

[foot_soldier]

<One of their methods is to purchase the alternatives that have been developed like BP Solar>

That's right, and they manipulated research dollars and potential markets to slow the development of alternate forms of energy.
September 2000
Oil, Profits and the Question of Alternative Energy
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_5_60/ai_65133031

Excerpt:

.....During the period in which financial support for solar energy was growing and a "windfall tax" on the profits of the oil industry was imposed, the proponents of big oil were gathering their own resources on Capitol Hill. Political action committees (PACs) that were affiliated with oil and gas interests began to sprout and, from 1977 to 1979, they contributed over $2.6 million to House and Senate candidates. A report by Alan Berlow and Laura Weiss in Congressional Quarterly concluded that most of the money went to candidates "with strong pro-industry voting." Support for alternative energy took a downward spiral when Ronald Reagan (a former spokesperson for General Electric) was elected U.S. president and became a staunch ally of corporate America.

By the late 1970s, oil companies had bought out many of the patents for photovoltaic cells, and corporate giants like Atlantic Richfield, Amoco, Exxon, and Mobil took control of solar power companies. This trend would lead Alfred Dougherty, former director of the Federal Trade Commission's bureau of competition to warn, "If the oil companies control substantial amounts of substitute fuels ... they may slow the pace of production of alternative fuels in order to protect the value of their oil and gas reserves." Edwin Rothschild, a spokesperson for the Citizen Energy Labor Coalition, was concerned that the big oil companies "see solar power as a competing source of energy, and they want to control it and slow it down." However, ownership of solar technology by big oil was only the first step in the methodical dismantling of the alternative energy renaissance.

The Reagan administration would continue the squeeze on alternative energy as tax credits for residential investment in solar and wind power became "obsolete," as it was deemed to be "the responsibility of the private sector to develop and introduce new solar technologies." The $684 million requested by Carter for alternative energy in fiscal 1982 was slashed to $83 million in Reagan's 1983 proposal. What was transpiring in the realm of solar technology development didn't go unnoticed by the science community. In the November 1981 New Scientist article "Big Oil Reaches for the Sun," Ralph Flood reports that the "energy policy under the Reagan administration seems designed to accelerate the oil companies' control." The solar panels on the White House were discarded.....

October 31, 2000
Alternative Energy Sources Needed to Mitigate Global Warming
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-10/uoia-aes102902.php

Excerpt:

.....CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Regulations alone will not stabilize atmospheric carbon dioxide levels and curb global warming, an international team of climate and technology experts says. What's needed is the further development of alternative energy technologies that permit worldwide economic development while simultaneously stabilizing carbon dioxide levels and controlling climate change.

In an article published in the Nov. 1 issue of the journal Science, scientists at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and their collaborators evaluate known advanced energy technologies for their capability to supply carbon-emission-free energy and their potential for large-scale commercialization. There are no simple solutions, they say.

During the last century, the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased from about 275 parts per million to about 370 parts per million. Unchecked, it will surpass 550 parts per million by the end of this century, the article states. Climate models and paleoclimate data indicate that 550 parts per million of carbon dioxide, if sustained, could eventually produce global warming comparable in magnitude to the global cooling of the last Ice Age.

Primary power consumption today is about 12 terawatts, of which 85 percent is fossil-fueled.

"As world population increases and we strive for a higher standard of living -- particularly in the developing nations -- more energy will be consumed, with an attendant rise in carbon dioxide emissions," said Michael Schlesinger, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Illinois and a co-author of the paper. "We must limit the levels of emissions at some point, and that means we will have to replace fossil fuels with alternative sources that eliminate or significantly reduce the amount of carbon emissions."

The most effective way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions while continuing to support economic growth and equity is to develop revolutionary technologies for energy production, distribution, storage and conversion, the article states.....

October 5, 2004
Alternative Energy Sources Remain Rare
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=24389

Excerpt:

.....Among the major energy companies, BP has done the most to develop alternative fuels, investing in solar and wind power as well as financing research into applications for hydrogen.

"BP is legit, it's for real, and it's spending a lot of money . . . trying to broaden its reach to be a full-service energy company meeting the needs of the future," Patsky said. "We'd certainly rather see people invest in BP than Exxon Mobil Corp., where management still denies that global warming is happening. BP has made statements that they want to do whatever they can to reduce the contributions that fossil fuels make to global warming . . . and that's a big statement for a company to make, to admit its product is part of the problem.".....

This looks like an interesting site:

Alternative Energy - Renewable Energy
http://curtrosengren.typepad.com/alternative_energy/2004/10/

[foot_soldier]

March 1, 2004
Will The End of Oil Mean The End of America?
by Robert Freeman
http://healthandenergy.com/end_of_oil_and_democracy.htm

Excerpt:

.....Energy Reconfiguration also delivers enormous—perhaps incalculable—benefits to the environment. By reducing energy intensity, it reduces the impact on the biotic carrying systems of any level of economic activity. Global warming may be the single most potent threat to global stability today. A recently leaked Pentagon report predicted that rapid climate change may well set off global competition for food and water supplies and, in the worst scenarios, spark nuclear war. If the US did no more than change from being the most energy inefficient economy in the industrial world to being of only average efficiency, it would dramatically slow the environmental destruction that hangs like a sword over the entire world.

Are there any precedents for such an ambitious vision? In the 1980s China adopted a nationwide energy efficiency program. Within a decade, overall energy intensity fell by 50% while economic growth led the developing world. Also in the 1980s, Denmark began a crash program in wind-generated electricity. Today, wind provides 10% of Denmark’s electricity while Denmark makes 60% of all the wind turbines sold in the world. India’s Renewable Energy Development Agency used a similar set of programs beginning in 1987 to reduce oil based electricity usage. Today, India is the largest user of photovoltaic systems in the world.

Even within the US there are ample precedents for optimism. The US economy was 42% more energy efficient in 2000 than it was in the 1970s when the Arab oil embargoes shocked the country into action. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ) standards more than doubled the average mileage of US automobiles between 1975 and 1985 before being effectively abandoned in the late 1980s. The National Research Council has reported that efficiency programs sponsored by the Department of Energy returned $20 for every $1 invested, making them arguably one of the best investments in the economy even before a change in national energy strategy.

We should harbor no illusions, however, that adopting such a strategy will be easy. The military and energy industries in which the Bush family is so heavily invested will vigorously resist such a policy. And the energy bill now making its way through Congress is nothing so much as a testament to the death grip the energy industry holds on the American people. It provides tens of billions of dollars of subsidies and giveaways to energy companies while actually encouraging more intensive energy use. As the poster boy of these leviathans, President Bush expressed their sentiments best: “We need an energy policy that encourages consumption.” What more need be said?.....

[stuart_allsop]

These folks take the one God approach to the Bible Narratives and don't see the dialectic between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament. That's probably because there is no "dialectic" (and you're using the word incorrectly, anyway), but rather harmony. If you study the Bible carefully, in depth, in context, and frequently, you'll notice the masterfully interwoven themes that run through both testaments, interlinking them and intertwining them into one.


Level Two understanding is the way that the Jews and Zionists would read or understand the Bible narratives. Here they would be paying attention to the nationalistic issues presented by Moses and the Torah.Yup. Right. Could you tell me just where I should look in the Bible to find the book called "Torah"? It doesn't seem to be there... And which Torah are you talking about? You don't even know what the Torah is, do you? Are we talking Talmud here? Mishnah? Written? Oral? Tanakh? Pentateuch? Gemara, Rashi? Or ALL of the Torah? You can't just talk about "The Torah" without defining what you mean by the term! To just casually fling around such a complex term totally proves that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.


Things like how the Jews are the "Chosen People"Yes. And your point is?...


...and "Goys" are like animals.Really? It says that in the Bible? Could you show us the book, chapter and verse of the Bible where it says that please? I can't seem to find it.... Or maybe I should look in "the Torah" instead?


This too is still a dangerous level, as it provokes the Zionist effects leading to the Armageddon Response.No, that comes from Satan, not from God's chosen people.


The Jews won't recognize the God of Jesus, but do highly recognize the Old Testament God of Moses. Huh? It's the SAME God!!!! How can you say that the Jews do not recognize the God of Jesus, when Jesus himself was Jewish, and recognized no other God but Yahweh, which is the God of Moses?

You really do need to go and read the Bible if you want to talk about it like this! Otherwise you just end up looking ery foolish when you make such stupid claims!


While the Jews recognize Moses, they don't even have a clue to how to associate the words of Moses to the alchemical methods of the Egyptians, from which much of his inspirations came. Really? So please would you provide us with your evidence that the Egyptians of around 3500 years ago were alchemists. This is going to be pretty hard for you to do, since alchemy wasn't even invented until a few thousand years later.... You really do enjoy opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it, don't you?


One cannot understand the Bible, nor the Torah, by reading only one book and claiming to have the higher understanding.Exactly. So why are you doing exactly that? You really should read through ALL the books of the Bible, and study them, in full context. Then you'll come to understand just how foolish you look to those of us who have already done that.


The Level Two factors put down by Moses appear motivated toward taking control of the world by Jewish / Zionist factions.Really? It says that in the Bible? I'm starting to think that you must be using a VERY different Bible from the one that the rest of us have, because the entire life of Moses was spent 100% focused on one single goal: Removing the nation of Israel from slavery in Egypt, and establishing it as a theocracy in the land originally promised to it, within borders that were very well defined. With strict intructions to NOT stray from those borders! There is NOTHING in there about "world domination". The Israelis were given a fixed chunk of land, told to go there, stay there, and worship God. That's all.


The Bush syndicates embrace this control and profit system Huh? What "control and profit" system? Where do you see that in the Bible?


The Sign and the Seal of Level Two is the quest for Gold, power, and control.BZZZTT! Wrong answer. Thanks for playing. If you think that Moses was after gold, power and control, they you really must be reading an entirely differenet version of the Bible! Moses is the guy who very nearly got himself zapped into oblivion by God himself for REFUSING power and control! He HATED public speaking, and wanted NOTHING to do with power or control! By his own admission, he was a humble, stuttering, mumbling, bumbling anti-leader, who did not want ANY of what God told him to do!

I strongly suggest that you go read the books of Exodus to Deuteronomy, so that you can learn what Moses really was about.


It is the mark of Evil as given by greed for money ... Level Two avoids the truth and worships false idols. It is the domain of Deceit and Treachery. WHAAA? Are you smoking something, apart from reading a kludged version of the Bible? I mean, claiming that Moses was into worshipping false idols? Or that he condoned it? PUHLEEZE!!! What planet do you live one? Have you NEVER read the Bible AT ALL?!?!??! The single greatest problem that moses had was PREVENTING the people from worshipping false idols, and ENCOURAGING them to worship God and God alone!

Sheesh!


Level Three is the highest level of enlightenment and gets into the divine definition or understanding.This sounds suspicioulsy like we are heading down the path to Gnosticism again... I sure hope not, because it's getting to be REALLY boring debunking it all the time. And so easy to debunk!


Level three is the level that Jesus spoke and understood. It is the level that understands the religious icons and symbolism and is the Ethereal. Here they understand that Moses God was a design for Man's use and not vice versa. Or maybe we are heading doen the path to Unitarian Humanistic Philosphy? Hard to say. But one path we are NOT heading down with this load of blather, is the path set by God!


Level Three understands the issues of how much of the Torah was inspired from the black sciences of the Egyptians and expressed in the alchemical sciences and symbolism. Moses' God is based on these techniques. In fact, I can give you an exact figure for "how much of the Torah was inspired by black science". That figure is "zero". Because the entire Torah (written) was inspired by God, not by "black science" (whatever that is...)


Moses spoke on this level, but never explained the higher meanings for his words. No, actually if you ever do read the Pentateuch, you'll see that Moses spoke on a very simple, down-to-earth, everyday level. The kind of level that a bunch of slaves fresh out of Egypt needed, if there was any hope that they would get the message. And one of Moses' main tasks was to get RID of the Egyptian symbolism, pagansim, and idolatry, to purge it from among the Israelites.


Level Three understanding is marked by terms like "The Revelations of Christ" and "The Rapture" of The Christ. Right. And Moses used these very ierms so very many times in the Pentateuch, didn't he? In fact, it gets downright boring when you see them repeated, time after time, page after page, all through his writings....


Level Three is the ultimate level of truth and the level of language for the discussion of God. Very few people in the history of humans have been able to ascend to this level of knowledge ... Those who succeeded: Moses, Jesus, Michelangelo, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin-Luther, Hitler, and JFK. Wha...? Now you ahve GOT to be kidding! I mean, this just HAS to be a joke, right? How can you put such grosly, disgusting evil people as Mohammed and Hitler in the same category as Moses and Jesus? And what on earth does Michelangelo have in common with JFK? Hoo boy! You have got to be one of the wierdest false prophets that I've ever heard of!

Have you graduated from smoking it to mainlining it now? It certainly looks like it!


Those that comprehend the concepts to this point, enjoin with a very rare level of intellect associated with God and the Divine. Ahhh! Back to Gonsticism, I see.


Those who have risen to this level of ascension to the real concepts and goals for God may take their position alongside Christ at the right hand of God.Yep.. Gonsticism for sure. But a very twisted version of it. Since when does God need goals?

[/quote]It will be you who will be called to hold those of religion accountable for the truth.[/quote]No, that's God's perogative. We don't get to judge and hold accountable: Only He has that right..


You will be the only ones that can reliably take on the false concepts of the evangelicals, the Bush Syndicate, and those that seek to enslave a world. No, I think Id' rather be the one who gets to reliably take on the kooky false prophets, such as yourself, that seek to re-enslave those freed by God.

And what "false concepts" are you talking about here? The evangelical churches seem to be the only ones sticking to the total, complete, unadulterated Gospel.


This epiphany has given you the meanings of Christ's eternal message, and its Rapture should be clear. How do you rapture a message?


If everyone could read and understand the Bible from this level, the world would be a less complicated place,Yep! It sure would! It would be paved with radioactive glass, without any sign of life. Very uncomplicated.


and we would be in the kinder and gentler times.some of us would, but after your utterly disgusting outpouring of blasphemy here, I somehow don't think you are going to make it across to the "gentler times" on the other side. My guess is that you will be going the other way....

[stuart_allsop]

Jesus was a Jew and never a Christian. He died a Jew and so never converted. Say what? How could he possibly "convert" to Christianity before he invented it? It was only UPON his death that it came into existance, so in that sense Chirst became the first Christian immediately upon his resurrection. In any event, there is no chasm betwen Jews and Christians. In fact, all Christains are Jews by adoption, in any case....


Peter on the hand made a deal with Rome and started the Catholic church so they should worship Peter not Jesus.And your proof of this ludicrous claim would be...??? ... ? ...


Paul on the other hand had other plans.Yep. He planned to walk thousands of miles on foot, get shipwreked, beaten, whipped, lashed, thrown into jail, stoned and left for dead, ridiculed, insulted, and other such passtimes. He planned all of this, for sure. Uh-huh. Yup.


As for Moses well he did not follow the simple rules given to him. Actually, Moses only broke ONE command that God gave him. He kept all the others. But that one failure was enough to keep him from every entering the Promised Land while he was alive. (Although he did get in after he died).


As for the Hebrews well they are still wandering in the desert waiting for their Messiah to free them from the mess they are in now.That's about the only part of your diatribe that I can agree with!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.radioislam.org/quotes/q951-1000.htm


POPES, ROMAN CATHOLIC.

SYLVESTER I. Condemned Jewish anti-Christian activity.

GREGORY I ('The Great'). Protested wholesale circumcision of Christian slaves by Jewish traders, who monopolized the slave trade in Europe and the Middle East and were widely suspected of supplying white girls to Oriental and African buyers.

GREGORY VIII. Forbade Jews to have power over Christians, in a letter to Alfonso VI of Castile.

GREGORY IX. Condemned the TALMUD as containing "every kind of vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine."

BENEDICT XIII. His Bull on the Jewish issue (1450) declared:

"The heresies, vanities and errors of the TALMUD prevent their knowing the truth."
JULIUS III. Contra Hebreos retinentes libros (1554) ordered the TALMUD burned "everywhere" and established a strict censorship over Jewish genocidal writings - an order that has never been rescinded and which presumably is still binding upon Catholics.

PAUL IV. Cum nimis absurdim (1555) promulgated immediately after his coronation, was a powerful condemnation of Jewish usury. It embodies a model legal code to curb Jewish power that was recommended to all communities.

PIUS IV. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

PIUS V. Hebraeorum gens (1569) expelled all Jews from the Papal States.

GREGORY XIII. Declared that Jews

"continue to plot horrible crimes" against Christians "with daily increasing audacity."
CLEMENT VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

ALEXANDER VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

BENEDICT XIV. Quo Primum 1751) denounced Jewish control of commerce and "systematical despoliation" of the Christian through usury.

PIUS VII. Known generally as an 'anti-Semite' by Jewish writers.

BENEDICT XV. Warned, in 1920, against

"the advent of a Universal Republic which is longed for by all the worst elements of disorder."
This is resented by some Jews because of their active sponsorship and direction of such projects as the League of Nations and United Nations. - And in effect, all Popes who have issued editions of the Index Expurgatorius, in which Jewish genocidal and anti-Christian writings are condemned, according to the instructions of the Council of Trent.

[jayreynolds]

Level Three understanding is marked by terms like "The Revelations of Christ" and "The Rapture" of The Christ. Level Three is the ultimate level of truth and the level of language for the discussion of God. Very few people in the history of humans have been able to ascend to this level of knowledge upon high. Those who succeeded: Moses, Jesus, Michelangelo, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin-Luther, Hitler, and JFK. Those that comprehend the concepts to this point, enjoin with a very rare level of intellect associated with God and the Divine. .

So, Wayne Hall, this is the guy you support?
This is the guy you find credible?
You really need to disassociate yourself with Jim Phelps right now....

[stuart_allsop]

BP bought AMOCO which owned 50% of Solarex. And how about hydrogen fuel?Damnit, Yaak! How many times do I have to tell you?!?!? This is just plain unfair! There you go again, using real, solid, cold, hard facts to debunk the ludicrous, wild, outrageous, and totally unsupported claims of the eco-kooks! That just isn't fair, Yaak, and you know it. How can you expect them to ever win a debate, when you only stick to using facts to prove them wrong?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Other interesting proverbs:
It is said you just cannot fool mother nature.
And that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.

Along that line of thought, let us take a look at relevant factors pertaining to chemtrails.

First, Check this web page on the toxic components from coal burning:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-powerplants.htm

Here one can take note of three predominate acids that come from the minerals contained in coal, which are liberated as these acid components due to the burning process.

Since the air is very fouled with the acids, there is acid rain and damage to trees, crops, etc. Even damage to aircraft, as these acids eat the aluminum skin of aircraft.

One can quickly desire that there should be something to change the levels of acids in the atmosphere by just adding other agents to react with these acids, expecially in the higher heat produced in a jet exhaust. There are some very simple ways to do this.

This is how the aluminum chemtrail method came into being. Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat. Some of these aluminum particles would react with the Hydrocloric Acid, some with the Sulfuric Acid, and some with the Hydrofluoric Acid components in the air. This would form compounds like aluminum chloride (AlCl3), which would combine with the water in the atmophere to make aluminum chloride hydrate (AlCl3*6HOH). This larger molecule would collect more water and set up the particle sizes for Mie Scattering.

Other similar reactions would occur, like formation of Aluminum Fluoride (AlF3), which would come to make the hydrate (AlF3*3.5HOH). Aluminum would also react with the Sulfuric to make Al2(SO4)3, which would hydrate into Al2(SO4)3*18HOH.

These are some of the principle reactions that occur from the reactions of acids in air with aluminum introduced as a catalyst.

The idea is to react these acids and to set up white particles to make for a reflective backscatter called Mie Scattering and offset the effects of global warming caused by the other component of coal--CO2.

The pulling of the acids from the air also helped to slow down the acid effects on the aluminum skin of aircraft. All the acids in air eat the rivets in airplane skin, which is the structural support for airframes.

Real simple logic that most children can follow, and there are some other design factors that come into play from introducing another toxic agent like aluminum into the air. More on that later.

IS

[stuart_allsop]

Even damage to aircraft, as these acids eat the aluminum skin of aircraft.Really? And your supporting evidence for this claim of widespread acid damage to aircraft would be...? Ooops! You mean you don't have any? Well well well... How very surprising... a chem-kook claim with no supporting evidence. How unusual...

(PS: please explain the chemical reaction involved here...)


This is how the aluminum chemtrail method came into being. Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat.Yep! Very true! That would be the aluminium particles coming from the aircraft as it disintegrates in-flight, due to the extreme damage to the engines from having severely contaminated fuel fed to them. You don't know anything about modern jet engines, do you? Clearly not. If you did, you would never have made such a silly claim....

Tell you what, Mr. Chemistry, try this and see if it works: Get a few pounds of powdered aluminium, pour it into the fuel tank of your car, fill up with your favorite fuel, and drive around until the tank is empty... Or rather, drive around until the engine overheats severely, shreds itself, and siezes abruptly. Which should happen within the first dozen miles or so. (At least you wont have too far to walk to get back home and report to us on your embarassing experience with trying to run an engine on fuel that is contaminated with metal particles...)


Some of these aluminum particles would react with the Hydrocloric Acid, some with the Sulfuric Acid, and some with the Hydrofluoric Acid components in the air. Say! That's pretty neat! How did you manage to get "Hydrofluoric Acid" to stay in the air? Pretty cool! How'd you do that? Please explain the chemistry and physics involved. (And please learn how to spell the names of chemical compuns before you go trolling with them).


This would form compounds like aluminum chloride (AlCl3), which would combine with the water in the atmophere to make aluminum chloride hydrate (AlCl3*6HOH). Even if it were possible to form Aluminium Chloride by the method you describe (which it isn't), all you get is Aluminium Chloride, which is commonly used as an additive to clean up sewerage, as well as in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals, dyes, rubber, alcohols, in the production of aluminum, in lubricants, wood preservatives, and even cosmetics, and in fact is the active ingredient in most antiperspirants. You wipe this stuff under your arm every morning! (or at least., we HOPE that you do!)

So what exactly is your point?


Other similar reactions would occur, like formation of Aluminum Fluoride (AlF3), which would come to make the hydrate (AlF3*3.5HOH).[/quote\Where do you plan to get the flouride from? There isn't very much of it floating around at 30,000 feet, you know! Ooops!

[quote]The idea is to react these acids and to set up white particles ...

The pulling of the acids from the air also help...So make up your mind, already! Are they trying to put more acid into the air, or are they trying to pull the acids out of the air? Sheesh! You can't have it both ways!!!!


All the acids in air eat the rivets in airplane skin, which is the structural support for airframes.And once again, your proof of this wonderful claim is...? You DO have some evidence to back up your joke... sorry, I mean "claim", dont you? I mean, you are now going to show us the statistcs from the aviation industry, showing how global rivet destruction is such a major problem in airframes? You ARE going to do that, aren't you? No?!?!? Really? Why not?


Real simple logic that most children can follow, and there are some other design factors that come into play from introducing another toxic agent like aluminum into the air. More on that later.I can't wait! I'll be looking forward to it! (I need another giggle....:) )

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Background orientation materials:

It was as early as the 1970's that NASA was finding that the "black soot" particle plumes from jets were upsetting the upper atmophere's heat absorption factors. And tracking these effects lead to some of the chemtrail global warming criterial on energy connected with storm damage. See:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/02/010208075206.htm

In flying around the country to visit Colorado to invent USRADS and going to DC to work on FEMA meteor scatter projects, I had to often go through the Atlanta airport. This airport always had delays, and in the summers it was invariably due to huge thunder storms over the city. I came to study these storms and apply the NASA soot theory as to why these huge thunder storms formed over the city with such a high frequency. Here the charge of the clouds and the dissimilar temperatures would pull these charges into gathering more moisture and causing huge electrical effects on the Earth's potential gradient. I was nearly always delayed over Atlanta by these huge mushroom clouds of lighting and thunder.

In the mean time, at ORNL, we were paying attention to the issues of global warming and the effects of CO2 and HF on IR heat retention is air being like these black soot issues from NASA. CO2 and HF make excellent IR LASERS, and many with military applications. I looked at these Barium and Aluminum experiments up in Alaska, which BTW is one of the principle reasons HAARP is where it is in Alaska. See:

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.html

It was studies like this one that broke the problems associated with Freon being unstable in the environment. Freon in the upper atmosphere is broken apart into Cl and F compounds by the Sun's ionizing radiation and that upset the O3 levels and other factors. The Freon ionized atoms drift toward the South Pole and this is the reason for the higher concentrations of Cl and F over this polar region. And the reason for the Ozone hole and the higher UV-b factor there.

It was my taking note of this effect in the mid-80's that ultimately lead to the US ban on Freon. The real kicker was that chlorine is heaver than air and clears rather quickly, but Fluorine is on the same order as the air weight and essentially the Fluorine levels rise nearly indefinitely. That became the dominate factor for consideration.

Fluorine compounds in the upper atmosphere are thousands of times more an IR problem than the CO2 and black particle soot effects, and the fluorine compounds contribute to the UV-b factor rising via both competition with O3 and via direct UV-b emission mechanisms.

These are the real mechanisms that the real atmospheric scientists follow to predict global warming factors and UV-b factors contributed by man's effects.

So, at ORNL I looked at factors like how many SAC bombers were in the skies flying in circles over the Pacific, etc. laoded with A-Bombs to counter the Russian threats, and how many military flights in the air each day, and civilian flights and there was more than enough to make jet planes into a counter measure to global warming. And using one of the main factors, Jet soot and Jets, that first reveiled the global warming of the atmosphere to accomplish the tasks.

In Oak Ridge, which is extremely HF polluted from the DOE operations there, the HF factors actually contributed to several 100 year damaging storms in the area over a few years. And this showed similar to the Atlanta soot problems, except this time the factor was HF and IR absortion. These acids like HF are clear to visible light, but are as black as soot for IR radiation. Hence, the huge heat absorption factors in the air for low concentrations of HF in the air, and this directly affects storm energy.

IS

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Chemtrails Orientation Con't:

The Military makes no bones about its intentions to control the weather for strategic advantages, see:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

What they don't state exactly, is the military are the ones principally responsible for these global warming mess. So, they are the ones playing word games with the why and how for weather control and global warming. All this push for war and the cover up of the fluorides effects to make war, make metals, make uranium, make aluminum for planes, make cheep energy----is the reason for the global warming and UV-b global holocaust.

One of the key methods of weather control is manipulation of the Earth's potential gradient. This is how the element barium comes into such a level of improtance. NASA and other selected Barium for ionization tests due to it being one of the lowest energy photo-ionization elements. Barium will ionize from just visible light effects.

When barium is seeded into the atmosphere it produces free electrons and ions that change the conductivity of the air and can modify the Earth potential gradient. In the manipulation of this potential the Mil and others can change the energy mechanism that drives the large storms.

Barium seeded into the atmosphere can also set up conditions much like what happens in the ionosphere due to Sun radiation ionization. Barium is used in military applications to do ducting of radio waves for extended range terrain sensing, RADAR, and other methods.

One of the principle reasons the US Govt. and others don't want the issues of Chemtrail methods being revealed is to continue the suppression of fluoride related health effects, the links of fluorides to factors connected with religion, the upset it causes in the public comprehinsion on the war on cancer and the war on communism. Once the public understands some of the extended factors for chemtrails, the public also understands how much they have been had by a Govt. that was supposed to protect them.

When I came up with the initial ideas for chemtrail methods, it became clear that alumium and barium were toxic. So, other ideas had to come along that would offset the toxic effects of these two elements. This is how the titanium came along. Titanium raining out onto grass, with the fluoride and toxic metals could mediate their toxic effects. Titanium methods could complex with the fluoride to render it harmless. As the problem was the aluminum and fluoride effects were linked to mad cow, BSE, and the factors that damage animal health and man's.

Titanium was the element that was found from dentistry use, that could be added for wide scale applications of chemtrails to help not set off health effects in grazing animals, and causes huge damage factors to the cattle industry.

Just one look at the BSE problems in the UK and their coal useage will show up part of the problems, and the recent outbreaks of BSE in Canada others. And the push to do chemtrail methods over Canada now to mediate these effects. The UK was rather dumb in making bone meal a part of cattle feed, and this enhance the accumulation of fluoride and toxic metals into their cattle food chain, which culminated in their huge BSE problems. The US has largely avoided these damage effects due to my studies on chemtrail methods, the fluoride factor as the causation for diseases.

IS

[gaiacomm]

So with influx of skeptics and scholars on this board you would think that someone would post some original text written in their own words about the voluminous subjects that have been exploited on this forum. Where is the individual authority that comes with these rantings of cut and paste from the internet?

Where is the original thought from you partime scholars of knowledge?

[halva]

So, Wayne Hall, this is the guy you support?
This is the guy you find credible?
You really need to disassociate yourself with Jim Phelps right now....

Raynolds what are you talking about?

Given that I don't dissociate myself even from YOU, what do I gain by dissociating myself from Jim Phelps?

[The Shadow]

Mr. Allslop, using only science, prove the existence of God.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Rules of decorum to the Few:

1. You have to have more than a "Special Education Certificate" to engage meaningfully in discussion of chemtrails. Some of you appear to be challenged to the point of not even being able to look up simple associations before asking questions. You should consider leaving the discussions.

2. There are some that obviously think that "gray matter" or "intellectual ability" is mushrooms growing in decayed fecal matter inside the head. And this growth media tends to contaminates most all their run on commentary aimed more at disruption than discussion. Their purpose to crud up discussions is obvious, and it is the standard "Debunker Method." We are all onto this. Plus, we will make good use of it.

Opinion:

I want to thank all involved for all the noise and free advertising on this Forum, as it has certainly helped the web page count rate and others are reading, see:
www.doewatch.com
If you are serious about understanding the big picture on how the US is being controlled and is no longer in the hands of the People, the story is there.

Thoughts for the US Veteran's Day:

Debunkers are highly involved in chemtrails nay-saying, and we do need to keep them in perspective. Debunkers, like Mike Fumento, jumped onto the Gulf War Illness issues that were connected to vaccine metals, and fluoride in nerve gases. They managed to obscure and harm ten of thousands of Gulf War Veterans. Chemically injured GWV's committed suicide, lost jobs, lost marriages, became disabled, and died. That was what the Debunkers on the Gulf War topic did to those that served America in good faith. But now the truth on GWI and the games to obscure what was done using Debunker Methods is becoming very clear. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3979975.stm
and: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996609

The very same deal is going down here on the cover up of Chemtrail techniques, and most that know the story would dare call them treasonous to the People of the US. And worse to the People of the World.

IS

[stuart_allsop]

So with influx of skeptics and scholars on this board you would think that someone would post some original text written in their own words about the voluminous subjects that have been exploited on this forum. Where is the individual authority that comes with these rantings of cut and paste from the internet?

Where is the original thought from you partime scholars of knowledge?Unless contained within quotation marks or a quote box, every single word I write here is original, and my own.

But I entirely agree with your sentiment: Cutting and pastin large volumes of text is actually pretty meaningless and pointless. I must admit, I skip most of it, unless something particulary absurd catches my eye. If you ask me, it would be far better to state one's own opnion in one's own words, with maybe a quote or two to back it up, and just provide links to the long articles.

I wonder why the kooks don't do that?

[stuart_allsop]

Mr. Allslop, using only science, prove the existence of God.Why would I want to do that? That's kind of like saying "using only a rock, prove that flowers exist". Science deals only with the natural physical universe. By definition, God is neither natural nor physical. Science, by defnition, cannot deal with the non-physical and the supernatural.

However, having said that, before now I have done a pretty passable job of proving the existance of Jesus with logic, reasoning, and common sense. Would that be good enough? Would you believe if I did?

[stuart_allsop]

Rules of decorum to the Few:

1. You have to have more than a "Special Education Certificate" to engage meaningfully in discussion of chemtrails. So what are you doing here then? Clearly, you just don't measure up to the standard that you yourself set.


Some of you appear to be challenged to the point of not even being able to look up simple associations before asking questions.And then there are folks like you, who are challenged way, way beyond that, and even have trouble putting together a grammatical sentence, let alone one that makes any scientific sense.


You should consider leaving the discussions.Aw gee... Did I upset you THAT badly, that you thin kthe only way you can win this debate is by getting rid of all your detractors? How very pittifull!


2. There are some that obviously think that "gray matter" or "intellectual ability" is mushrooms growing in decayed fecal matter inside the head.And then there are the rest of us, who don't think like you do.


And this growth media tends to contaminates most all their run on commentary aimed more at disruption than discussion.Speaking of discussion, are you planning to get involved in one any time soon? You've been doing a fair amount of one-sided cutting and pasting, but very little in the discussion department. For starters, to date you have flat refused to engage in ANY discusiuson where I have challenged your baltantly silly claims. Why is that? Surerly your claims are worth shoring up with at least a tiny modicum of defense, aren't they? If not, then why on earth did you bother making them in the first place? Perhaps it was just for disruption that you did it, and you have no intention of engaging in discussion.


Their purpose to crud up discussions is obvious, and it is the standard "Debunker Method." We are all onto this. Plus, we will make good use of it. Please do! Any time you are ready.


The very same deal is going down here on the cover up of Chemtrail techniques, How can you cover up something that is a non-existant hoax, spawned by a few well-known con artists for their own personal profit? Far from covering it up, we debunlers are actually EXPOSING it for the hopax that it is. Have you learned NOTHING from all of Jay's posts? I guess not.

[whitemajikman]

Energy Policy in the making:
Subtitle: "Oh, we acknowledge the regional climate change issue; we just want control of the 'adaptation' process"
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13797&page=1&pp=10

Deborah Do you have any Proof besides more conspiracy links,what -if scenario's,and your skewed opinion.....?

You seem to think that everyone is a co-conspirator ,in the Global Warming saga...........

EXCEPT FOR THE REAL CULPRIT MOTHER EARTH..........

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE........

Your USE of Computer's Gives this away.......

How much pollution is caused by the manufacture of Computer's.............?

How much energy is consumed in a single hour by the recipient's of the Internet.......?

How long does it take a computer to degrade..........?

How many stick's of old Ram now litter the Earth......?

Instead of focusing on thing's you can't change like Global Warming ,why not take on something that you can change..........


Like your piss poor attitude..........


Shawn

P.S.
I am Signing off with my real name........

Your next post better end with Deborah............

Or I will take that as a sign that your only purpose is to distort the already distorted issue of Global Warming........

And care very little about the facts............

Except when it is convenient to proving your point........

And even then it is distorted .........

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh My,

It is even worse than I estimated !! He can't type in the words "Talmud" and "Hate" in a search engine to answer a real simple question !!

Guess the quotes of a half dozen of Rome's Popes on the Talmud's hate went right over his little ego driven head. Oh well, for general reference for others, these are varied Talmud citations related to hate and vulgarities:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm

Apply 1 and 2 !! Especially, as it appears he is using the Talmud's "Gittin 69a." to help the mental mushrooms grow........

A real expert on the Talmud's we have here. Now if he is as good on other religion factors he will be feeding the entire world a line of .......

is

[whitemajikman]

Mr. Allslop, using only science, prove the existence of God.


You have Some Nerve Asking for Stuart to explain anything to you..........

I recently tried To register at your site........

I got told my application got denied..........

Do you have any thing to say on this matter......?

Besides that your afraid of any opinion that is in direct conflict of your own........

And hide ..........

Shadow Can you prove that God Doesn't Exist Using Science..........?

Come on Big Mouth........

Give it your best shot........

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Oh My,

It is even worse than I estimated !!

Guess the quotes of a half dozen Popes on the Talmud's hate went right over his little ego driven head. Oh well, for general reference, these are Talmud citations related to hate and vulgarities:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm

I wonder if he can help me with a word that I am having trouble with recalling, seems like it ends with "ass" and starts with a big "D."

Apply 1 and 2 !!

is



Well you silly man , you remind of Pike..........

Always talking about world domination,and conspiracy........

It turned him into such a hatemonger,that he started the Early version of the Klu Klux Klan........not to mention turning early freemasonry into a satanic cult........


I am Jewish,And I am proud Of it..........

Let's talk Shop Little Boy..........

your website and your thought's are loosely veiled anti-semitic teaching's.......

You are in fact a Jew hater.......

Now before you respond with your typical cut and paste I would like you tell me in your own words........

WHY........?

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Actually upon further thought it explains wayne hall's association with you, you are both Jew hater's.......

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I got your "Maji" symbolism very early on.
I sense a much stronger Jewish presence here than yourself, from the methods and language.
Interesting, All these Jewish linked No. 2 types helping to heap misinformation on the Gentiles.
Trying to plug up the leaks on the common sense that is going to end Jewish non-sense, ah?

I don't need to use my own words, when your religion's words serve much better and leave little to doubt.

Like the Pot that calls the Kettle Black, I shall let your own Jewish beliefs from Judaism's most Holy book convict you:


Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.


From: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm

I think we see the Jews true colors well from their own Holy Writing and Rabbi's words.

Read about real anti-semitism and hate:
http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20041104A.html

I do think the world is united in ending these Hata Messages that start these wars that spring from these religion problems. Even the Pope's did not appreciate this Hate Literature of the Jews. Anyone would be in good company to hold Jews accountable for this totally unacceptable set of beliefs.

is

[whitemajikman]

I think we see the Jews true colors well from their own Holy Writing and Rabbi's words.

You see nothing goyim.......

Just as you know nothing.........

except your limitless hatred.......

Those words are not meant to be literal........

And only A Jew could completely understand their true context......which is passed on from generation to generation in the oral tradition......

what is your thoughts regarding the 3 oath's..........

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.



At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.



There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.



King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .



Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.



Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

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Maimonides, Iggeres Teiman – Letter to Yemen

[Maimonides wrote this Letter to the Jewish Community of Yemen almost 1,000 years ago]



And as King Solomon knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and in a metaphorical way made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Song of Songs, 3,5: I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired.



Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts. He will then fulfill in our days and in yours the verse from Isaiah 9:1 The nation wandering in darkness shall see a great Light, and a Light shall shine on those residing in the land of the shadow of death. At that time G-d shall darken the eyes of all those who rise up against us, and fulfill the verse from Isaiah 9:2 Verily darkness shall cover the land and fog shall cover nations, but the light of G-d shall shine upon you, and you shall display his honor.




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The Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Betzalel Lowy who lived in the 17th century) explained that the prohibition of violating the Three Oaths applies even if the other nations force the Jewish People to do so.



In addition, he wrote in his book Netzach Yisroel (Chapter 24) that these Oaths may not be modified so as to affect the decree of Exile, and he expanded on the description in the Midrashic text on Song of Songs 2:18.



“Even if the nations wanted to kill the Jews with terrible torture, the Jews are forbidden to change the applicability of the Oaths. This is relevant to every one of these oaths and must be understood.” Therefore, not only is it forbidden to leave the Exile even with the permission of the nations, but even if they force the Jewish People to do so under pain of death, it is forbidden to violate these Oaths in the same way it is required to give up one’s life rather than accept another religion.



Even during the forced conversions under the kingdom of Portugal in the late 15th century it was forbidden to violate the Oath.



Rabbi Avraham Galanti, who other rabbis described as outstanding in his level of holiness, and who was a student of the great kabbalist Rabbi Moshe Cordovero in the 16th century, explained aspects of the Three Oaths in his book Zechus Avos [Merit of the Patriarchs] where he recounts how some Jews in Portugal wanted to revolt against the kingdom rather than submit to forced conversion. A rabbi quoted the verses from Song of Songs to the people who wanted to revolt, and pointed to the Talmudic tractate Ketuboth p. 111 which states that G-d made the Jewish People take three Oaths – one was that they should not rebel against G-d by rebelling against the nations. Thereafter the Jews submitted to death rather than forced conversion. Although the description in Ketuboth does not say that the Oaths involve directly rebelling against G-d, it is clear that the very violation of these Oaths is rebellion against G-d himself.

[whitemajikman]

I got your "Maji" symbolism very early on.
I sense a much stronger Jewish presence here than yourself, from the methods and language.
Interesting, All these Jewish linked No. 2 types helping to heap misinformation on the Gentiles.
Trying to plug up the leaks on the common sense that is going to end Jewish non-sense, ah?

I don't need to use my own words, when your religion's words serve much better and leave little to doubt.

Like the Pot that calls the Kettle Black, I shall let your own Jewish beliefs from Judaism's most Holy book convict you:


Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.


From: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm

I think we see the Jews true colors well from their own Holy Writing and Rabbi's words.

Read about real anti-semitism and hate:
http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20041104A.html

I do think the world is united in ending these Hata Messages that start these wars that spring from these religion problems. Even the Pope's did not appreciate this Hate Literature of the Jews. Anyone would be in good company to hold Jews accountable for this totally unacceptable set of beliefs.

is

You seem not to be able to distinguish between world Jewry and political Zionism........

Instead you lump the two together as they were one and the same........

Which is it's own deception.....

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Well JIM PHELPS is a racist JEW HATER and PROUD Anti-Semite.......

WAYNE HALL is his buddy.....

That leaves Deborah..........

Is FootSoldier(DEBORAH STARK) also A JEW HATER AND PROUD ANTI-SEMITE......?

Is this what modern environmentalism truly is.......?

A bunch of racist's trying desperately to legitimize their belief's through conspiracy theory.......

And not the facts......

Stay tuned folks................

WMM

[Yaak]

Jim Phelps,

Your mind and your soul are diseased. I truly pity you in your sadness, loneliness and confusion. Before your soul passes on, I pray that you find love to displace the hate that fills you.

Sincerely,
Ed Snell

[stuart_allsop]

Shawn, for once, I'm totally on your side of the argument, and you have my support, 100%. Any attack on Judaism is also an attack on Christianity.

It looks like you have picked up a fan club over here! But a rather ignorant fan club that likes to quote Scripture entirely out of all context, without understanding a thing about what they are quoting, where it comes from, or the true intended meaning. They are carefully selecting bits and pieces without haveing even the vaguest understanding of the history and culture of Israel.

As I've pointed out before, you can prove absolutely anything you want by quoting the Bible out of context. One of my favourite illustrations of this is the words of God himself telling us all that it is fine to sin all we want, then to go present a burnt-offering sacrifice to make up for it, and to do it all over again, as much as we want. That's exactly what the text says says. But entirely out of context. When you add the context, it actually turns into a dire warning AGAINST chronic sinning and then sacrificing to try to atone for it. It is God making masterful use of sarcasm to drive home his point.

It seems to me that this is exactly what your fan club is doing here: picking and chooisng verses here and there, entirely out of all possible context, to "prove" something that the Scriptures neer said at all.

If you ask me, it takes a particurlay low level of scum to resort to such tactics. And a particulry low level of IQ to keep it company....

[whitemajikman]

Jim Phelps,

Your mind and your soul are diseased. I truly pity you in your sadness, loneliness and confusion. Before your soul passes on, I pray that you find love to displace the hate that fills you.

Sincerely,
Ed Snell

Even though I like a good fight, I think you are correct in your analogy of Jim.

I too think he has suffered some emotional and physical trauma to have fallen this far......

God bless you Ed.

for your compassion and your vision.

Shawn

[whitemajikman]

Shawn, for once, I'm totally on your side of the argument, and you have my support, 100%. Any attack on Judaism is also an attack on Christianity.

It looks like you have picked up a fan club over here! But a rather ignorant fan club that likes to quote Scripture entirely out of all context, without understanding a thing about what they are quoting, where it comes from, or the true intended meaning. They are carefully selecting bits and pieces without haveing even the vaguest understanding of the history and culture of Israel.

As I've pointed out before, you can prove absolutely anything you want by quoting the Bible out of context. One of my favourite illustrations of this is the words of God himself telling us all that it is fine to sin all we want, then to go present a burnt-offering sacrifice to make up for it, and to do it all over again, as much as we want. That's exactly what the text says says. But entirely out of context. When you add the context, it actually turns into a dire warning AGAINST chronic sinning and then sacrificing to try to atone for it. It is God making masterful use of sarcasm to drive home his point.

It seems to me that this is exactly what your fan club is doing here: picking and chooisng verses here and there, entirely out of all possible context, to "prove" something that the Scriptures neer said at all.

If you ask me, it takes a particurlay low level of scum to resort to such tactics. And a particulry low level of IQ to keep it company....


Stuart you were a good teacher,especially about context,even though you thought I wasn't paying attention,I really was.

God bless you too.

Shawn

[whitemajikman]

Oh and Ed Check your Messages ....on Ezboard.

[halva]

To quote just one paragraph from Wayne Madsden's full text:

"The possible opening of the Northwest Passage to maritime shipping has already prompted Canadian warnings to the United States not to intrude on its national territory. The United States does not recognize Canadian sovereignty over its Arctic sea passages. This past summer, Canada's largest warship, a fleet of helicopters and 200 troops engaged in Operation Narwhal, the largest Canadian military exercise ever held in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. Narwhal was also noteworthy in that US military participants and observers were not invited."


I can't post all of this article or Ruppert's attorneys will be after me.
See
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/111104_arctic_meltdown_summary.shtml
and pay, if you're interested:

(By the way, I'm not receiving a commission, though if I were smart, maybe I would be asking for one. WH)

Bush Administration and Oil Companies Want Arctic Meltdown

by
Wayne Madsen

[Petroleum elites are benefiting from oil scarcity, because it raises prices. But they also fear oil scarcity, because it raises costs and eventually makes business impossible. And since the oil industry is also impeding the large-scale development of alternatives while continuing to encourage rampant consumption, scarcity of fossil fuels may eventually kill them. They don't seem to mind. Maybe the pursuit of world-destroying policies is some kind of compensation for their own mortality --- you know, if I can't live forever, I think I'll take the rest of you down with me. Such a policy is neither government nor business; it's the melodrama of a big dysfunctional family whose patriarchs are finally going crazy - just when their power is at its height.

Here's another metaphor: the Petro-Administration of Cheney-Rice-Bush is like a psychotic who tries to play chess: indifferent to the rules, he simply steals the opponent's king off the board, claims victory, and burns the whole chess-set in the fireplace.

In the following shocker by Wayne Madsen, we learn that there are people high up in Washington who regard the apocalyptic melting of the polar ice caps as a good thing. Why? It will clear new shipping lanes for the exploitation of Arctic oil and gas.

About six years ago I published an essay in the Massachusetts Review called "Scarcity and Compensation in Herman Melville's Moby-Dick." I learned that the American whaling industry did not end because petroleum replaced whale oil; whaling stopped because the animals had been "harvested" almost to extinction, and the only place left to catch them was in the perilous ice floes of the Arctic Ocean. In 1873 thirty-three out of forty whaling ships cruising in the Arctic were destroyed by ice.

Today the American oil industry finds itself back up in the Arctic, chasing petroleum (not whale blubber). But this time, pollutants from its own product have warmed the globe, and instead of destroying our ships, the ice is just melting out of the way! What a wonderful way to settle an old score. - JAH

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Sometimes it is good to let one Jew confront another:

http://www.iahushua.com/JQ/freedmn1.html

http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/Harold_Wallace_Rosenthal_Interview_1976.htm

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/


I do think some of you are intent on resurrecting the classic game show called "To Tell the Truth" and Dorothy Killgallen is asking questions of each God Architype to unmask the real version of God. Well why not.

I can tell you the first question to find the real God would be to define the term "Goyim" in the classical sense of the Jewish Holy Talmuds. You know this is the word "Maji-Shawn" first came out with in his white hat tap dance when confronted with the readings of his Jewish Holy Book beliefs. It really gets a Jew when one quotes their beliefs that show the mindset of the Jew's Dogma. Goyim is a put down term of the Jews against the Gentiles, and its use is an issue of hate and failure of a Jewish person to adapt into the laws of a just society.

The use of the term Goyium shows Shawn is really not all that removed from the mindset of the Zionist, who use the same term for nationalistic self promotion.

How do we know, just take a look at the Declaration of Independence on the item of "All Men are Created Equal": http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

If we look at the Torah and Talmud, we find that their version of God is not about all men being equal. Jews are the "chosen people" and all others are nothing. It is a prime factor in unmasking the anti-Christ.

Some Jews claim to be non-Zionist and thus to wear the White Hat of purity, but the reality is that whatever degree of Jew there is----there is always some soot on the White Hat. The White Hat is really shades of Gray, and always short of the full truth. Because the very roots of the term Jew involve "God's chosen people."

Oh, I guess I may have omitted a factor under criteria 1, that would contend that if you are a Republican church goer that your IQ would be so challenged that you would not be able to comprehind logical discussions.

Be sure to introduce yourself to the Forum "Maji," Shawn, and do use your entire name and stop being the coward. You are out of the closet now so do Tell us a little about yourself. What do you do with yourself all day long so you can play on the internet so frequently to goad the "Goys," as you term us, along?

is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Shawn,

You need to stop pretending you are God and above all others. I don't appreciate your condescending with the use of the term "Goyim" toward myself or anyone. In this society we are all equal under God. Yes, I have real the Jewish Holy Books and know a lot of Jews that speak Hebrew and gone into discussions at great depth.

If it anti-semitic to not believe in your version of God, then count me in. Even Christ did not believe in the Pharisee version of God and these Jews killed him over his resistance toward the false claims on God. I will stand alongside The Christ and many Popes in rebuking the Jewish injustices toward men.

Don't forget that my little old blood line goes all the way back to David and Solomon, and your portentions on religion and God hold no superiority whatever.

When confronted with the words of the Jewish religion's own Holy Book, then do the claims of "Maji" appear like baloney that rejects the grinder?

is


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm


Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Jews are Divine:

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status:

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:

Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean ... "

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human:

Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer sex with cows.



In the above passage, the Rabbis are discussing the Mosaic law which forbids applying holy oil to men. In the discussion, the Rabbis state that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to gentiles, since gentiles are not human beings (literally, Adam, and are by implication, Cain).

Yebamoth 61a: It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state [61a] that the graves of gentiles [goyim] do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, "And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men [adam]" [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men [adam] but the idolaters are not called men [adam].

The Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or grave imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud here teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a gentile, it does not make him unclean, since gentiles are not human (literally, Adam).

[stuart_allsop]

Jews are the "chosen people" and all others are nothing. It is a prime factor in unmasking the anti-Christ.You know, you REALLY should get a copy of the Bible, and start studying it. MAybe then you'd stop spouting this nonsense out of your ignorance of Biblical context. It might stop you from making such a fool of yourself, every time you come up with a new twisted angle on matters that you clearly don't understand. Even little education in Biblical study and cohesion would help you to get the facts straight. As it is, the way you are spouting off out of Biblical ignorance just makes you look like like a litle lost alley cat, cornered in the far end of a dark ally by folks with lanterns. Back arched, teeth bared, claws out, hising and spiting, he is simply lashing out in abject fear at everything, but mostly at those who only want to feed him, clean him up, and give him a better life.

[stuart_allsop]

Because the very roots of the term Jew involve "God's chosen people."See what I mean? Once again, you display your ignorance of Israelite history, except that this time you just went ahead and invented something insulting, because you thought that none of us would knoe the truth.

Actually, the term "Jew" come from the name of the tribe of "Judah", one of the original twelve tribes of Israel. Judah was also the name given to the Southern kingdom of Israel during the time of the divided kingdom, becuase that was the area inhabited predominantly by the tribe of Judah. So the Northern kingdowm was called "Israel", and the Southern kingdom was called "Judah". The Northern kingdowm was so steeped in idolatary, human sacrifice, and total rejection of Yahweh, that the Southern kingdom remained totally separate. They still considered Israel (the northern kingdom) to be their brothers, but they did not want to be associated with the name "Israel", ot "Israelites", so they came to be know as simply "Judah" and "Jews". Thus, their religion become know as "Judaism".

It's such a pity that your ignorance of Middle eastern history is so obvious. It just makes your burning anti-semitism so much more obvious as being nothing more than unfounded hatred of things you fear and don't understand. If you took the time to learn about them, you'd soon see that the entire basis of American society today is firmly rooted in Judaism. And if you consider yourself to be a Christian, then that automatically makes you a Jew as well, by adoption.

[jayreynolds]

I expect Jim Phelps to explain to his chemmie friends exactly how this "aluminum additive" he claims is put into jet fuel could actually be there. See, the facts of the matter are that jet fuel is constantly filtered(and tested), at each stage of it's production, transportation, and delivery to the aircraft. This is done by using 1/2 micron filters each time the fuel is pumped, right up to the fuel trucks on the tarmac. This is done in order to guard against contamination from pumps, tanks, and piping. Even after the fuel is put into the airplane's fuel tank, the aircraft ITSELF has the same filters.

All this filtration has a noble goal.

The goal is to protect the most important element of the jet engine fuel system, the "flow divider". Jet engines have multiple combustion chambers, but these are not separate "cylinders" as auto engines have, rather they are interconnected with "crossfire tubes"
in order to evenly distribute the combustion gas pressure across the face of the turbine nozzle ring, and even temperature across the turbine wheel. The "flow divider" acts as a fuel metering device, and is essentially a gang of gear "pumps", one for each combustion chamber, with each gear "pump" connected to the other, thus they all run in parallel to deliver exactly the same amount of fuel to each combustion chamber.

The flow divider has the tightest tolerances of all moving parts in the gas turbine engine.
http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail?ExhibitID=16119
ABSOLUTELY NO PARTICULATE MATTER AT ALL CAN BE ALOWED IN THE FLOW DIVIDER!!!

If one chamber received more fuel than another, it would generate excess pressure compared to it's neighbor, and "crossfiring" would take place. This quickly burns up the engine, which is a big no-no in flight.

So, the idea that aluminum would be put through a jet engine's fuel system is ludicrous, period.

This is an original explanation composed by Jay Reynolds, Gas Turbine Engineer.
It debunks the "aluminum in the fuel" portion of the "chemtrails" hoax.

Tough luck when you run up against facts, eh, Jim Phelps?

BTW, you really are one sick dude.........

[stuart_allsop]

Even Christ did not believe in the Pharisee version of God Ummm... Where ever did you get that from? Apart from being patently rediculous, it strongly suggest that you have not read or understood the Bible.

Sure, I agree with you that Jesus disagreed totally with the Pharisees, but he mostly certainly did NOT disbileve in their God! On the contrary, what most upset the Pharisses, was Jesus' calim that he WAS their God! How can you say that Jesus did not beleive in their God when the entire core of his message was that He Himself was their God?

The problem that Jesus had with the Pharisees, (and more particulary, with the Sanhedrin in general), was not that they believed in the wrong God, but that they failed to obey the SPIRIT of God's law, while blindly enforcing the LETTER of the law. Time after time Jesus confronted them with their hypocrisy regarding their interpertation of the Law, but you will not find one single scripture where Jesus cast doubt on their belief in God, even less an example of him saying anything like you suggest, accusing them of beleiving in a different god.

[stuart_allsop]

and these Jews killed him over his resistance toward the false claims on GodNo, they killed him due to what they considered to blasphemy, since he himslef claimed to be equal to God, and to have been sent by God. That's why they killed him. Atl least, that's the way they presented it t the people: the REAL reason is that they were scared of him: He was building up a devoted following at an amazing rate, and they felt threatened by his rapidly growing popularity. They could not control him, he was performing miracles left and right that convinced everyone that his calims to be God really were true, but the Sanhedrin were not quote ready to swallow their pride, admit their mistake, and bow to him. They were so used to having others bow to them, that they could not even imagine humbling themsleves to bowing to rabble, a mere carpenter, and from Galilee of all places! So they killed him, claiming blasphemy (for the Jews) and insurrection (for the Romans).

[gaiacomm]

Blah....Blah.....Blah!!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A case in point for inability to read, process, and comprehend. Is it their low IQ or Their need to twist and obfuscate that is clear from two of them. Let me reiterate, if your either too slow of mind or too manipulative, you need to leave the discussion. For Reference see:


It was clearly stated in earlier forum listing that: "Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat."


Here the meaning is clear--soluble aluminum fuel additive as in compounds like tetra ethyl lead that are liquids--leaded alcohol's actually -- and fully mix with the fuel.

It is important to take note that leaded gasoline lasted for some 50 years and was only forced to end due to so many kids inhaling the lead particles near roadways and the risks for injury cases to be awarded against the gasoline industry. What caused this problem to linger for so long was the Kettering Research Group of Cincinnati, which protected these gas companies and the Ethyl Company from being exposed. Kettering Research is named after the president of General Motors. Kettering is also tied to the suppression of the fluorides health effects on the population, and funded by aluminum companies, DuPont, etc.. DuPont owns the Ethyl company. It is a corrupt little good ole boys group, at the heart of cover up on issues like lead and fluoride effects on the population.

Also, very clear is that once the "soluble aluminum fuel additive" burns with the fuel in combustion, that the soluble aluminum compound in the fuel is converted to oxide first and secondary to this into other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume.

Nowhere, has it ever been stated that chemtrails techniques use solid aluminum dust added to the jet fuel. AKA----Soluble aluminum fuel additives are NOT, By Definition, aluminum dust or aluminum oxide.

Only those engaged in Either 1 or 2 methods, AKA IQ challenged with a SE certificate or those seeking to deceive us, would lead off into such a direction. Which reminds me, isn't that also one of the antichrist methods? Or one of those Jewish methods to pull another one over on the public at large? I do think that you have met the condition for being excluded from meaningful and truthful discussion.

One can see the need to write at the kinder garden level for some of these individuals here. I shall continue to use the simplified term of adding aluminum, or other metals like barium / titanium, to jet fuel as it was made clear the context for which the metal addition is made into the jet fuel and the reason for the truncated term use to save space and typing.

Round one--opposition caught red handed lying about what was stated. So, they are removed from consideration for discussion of chemtrails and the manmade causation of global warming.

is

[stuart_allsop]

Blah....Blah.....Blah!!... more eloquent words from the peanut gallery.

If you have nothing usefule to say, then why bother?

[stuart_allsop]

soluble aluminum fuel additive as in compounds like tetra ethyl lead And we are just DYING to see your dissertaion on how aluminium is chemically identical to lead, how you can creat a compund called "teta ethyl aluminium", and use it as a fuel additivie...

Just how many aluminium compunds can you think of that are soluble in jet fuel, and burn smokelessly, without either raising or lowering the combustion temperature, or having any effect on engine effcieincy, thrust, maintenace, etc? I can tell you how many there are.

Can you?

[stuart_allsop]

One can see the need to write at the kinder garden level for some of these individuals here.Oh, I really doubt you could do that! So far you haven't even got CLOSE to sounding that advanced! I mean, you stioll haven't figured out how to write in the first person singular! They do teach kids how to say "I", "me" and "my" in kndergarten, but clearly you have not risen to that level yet.

Then there is taht really wierd style of trying to sound pompous and arrogant, elogant and educated, when the grammar and content of eveyrhting you say indicate the exact opposite.

Your style reminds me VERY much of cliif carnicom.


-opposition caught red handed lying about what was stated.Yep, you were, wern't you? Good of you to admit it, though.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

AH, now the highly noted Journal National Geographic is into reporting the rise of the oceans connected to global warming and the rising CO2 and fluoride issues from man's effect on planet Earth. See:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1109_041109_polar_ice.html

Arctic Melting Fast; May Swamp U.S. Coasts by 2099

Brian Handwerk
for National Geographic News
November 9, 2004


Scientists have determined that the ice in Greenland and the Arctic is melting so rapidly that much of it could be gone by the end of the century. (See photos from the Arctic.)
The results could be catastrophic for polar people and animals, while low-lying lands as far away as Florida could be inundated by rising sea levels. (Read a story, see a map of how warming may toast Florida's coast).

The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment was released yesterday. It will be discussed by the Arctic Council (the governments of Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, and the U.S., as well as six indigenous-peoples organizations) at a meeting in Iceland today.

The four-year study of the Arctic climate involved an international team of more than 300 scientists. They used a number of climate models and made a "moderate estimate" of future emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that are widely believed to be contributing to the recent warming trend of the Earth's climate.

The study concluded that in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia, average temperatures have increased as much as 4 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit (3 to 4 degrees Celsius) in the past 50 years, nearly twice the global average. Temperatures are projected to rise 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) over the next hundred years.

The rising temperatures are likely to cause the melting of at least half the Arctic sea ice by the end of the century. A significant portion of the Greenland ice sheet—which contains enough water to raise the worldwide sea level by about 23 feet (about 7 meters)—would also melt.

Computer models project how the Arctic ice cap may melt over the next century. The blue perimeter (marked by arrows) is actual ice in September 2002. The top illustration projects how the ice may shrink by 2030, the middle shows what may be left by 2060, and the bottom indicates what it could look like in 2090. Some computer models project all the ice will be gone within a century. A combination of computer models indicates that at least half of today's ice cover will have melted within a hundred years.

The consequences of such a massive meltdown of northern ice would be dramatic, according to the study.

• Low-lying coastal areas in Florida and Louisiana could be flooded by the sea. A 1.5 feet (50-centimeter) rise in sea level could cause the coastline to move 150 feet (45 meters) inland, resulting in substantial economic, social, and environmental impact in low-lying areas.

• The health and food security of some indigenous peoples would be threatened, challenging the survival of some cultures.

• Should the Arctic become ice-free in summer, it is likely that polar bears and some seal species would become extinct.

• The melting of so much ice, and the resulting addition of so much fresh water to the ocean, could impact the circulation of currents and affect regional climate.

Science and Policy

Susan Joy Hassol is an independent global warming analyst and author of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA) synthesis report Impacts of a Warming Arctic.

The assessment was four years in the making, made possible by the work of some 300 scientists from nations around the world.

"We found that scientific observations and those of indigenous people over many generations are meshing," Hassol said from her Denver office. "Sea ice is retreating, glaciers are reducing in size, permafrost is thawing, all [these indicators] provide strong evidence that it has been warming rapidly in the Arctic in recent decades."

As the Arctic evolves, climate around the world may be severely altered.

"The Arctic is the air conditioner for the world and we're looking at having a less efficient air conditioner," Hassol noted.

The report strived to stay out of the realm of policy but certainly gives decision makers some food for thought.

"I think that, from a scientific point of view, we try to present facts," she said. "It really is a fact that in order to slow climate change we need to start now. A climate system is like a supertanker, you can't turn on a dime so you have to turn the wheel now to avoid that iceberg [far] ahead."

Mark Serreze is a polar sea ice expert at the University of Colorado, Boulder. He's seen dramatic Arctic changes over the past 25 years.

"What's really interesting is that the past three summers (2002, 2003, and 2004) have been characterized by record or near record minimums [of total Arctic sea ice area]," Serreze said. "It begs the question: Have we approached a threshold beyond which large parts of the ice are unable to survive the summer? We don't know."

Serreze believes the ACIA findings illustrate that at least some Arctic changes are due to global warming, but cautions that the extent is difficult to discern.

"The Arctic is changing and changing rapidly, there is absolutely no doubt about that," he said. "It's the attribution that is difficult. You always have to remember the climate system, and the Arctic in particular, are inherently variable. It's difficult to separate natural variability from greenhouse gasses. It's not black-and-white."

People Are Already Affected

"The impacts of global warming are affecting people now in the Arctic," said Robert Corell, chairperson of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, in a news release. "The Arctic is experiencing some of the most rapid and severe climate change on Earth. The impacts of climate change on the region and the globe are projected to increase substantially in the years to come."

In a separate statement released with the assessment, the Arctic indigenous peoples said they are asking the eight Arctic countries to use the assessment to show leadership in the field of global warming.

"Everything is under threat," said Chief Gary Harrison of the Arctic Athabaskan Council. "Our homes are threatened by storms and melting permafrost, our livelihoods are threatened by changes to the plants and animals we harvest. Even our lives are threatened, as traditional travel routes become dangerous."

"The Arctic is the early warning for the rest of the world," said Sheila Watt-Cloutier of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference. "What happens to the planet happens first in the Arctic. Protect the Arctic and we save the planet. … We must all take what action we can to slow the pace of climate change, while there is still time."

The indigenous peoples are also asking for help with adapting to global warming impacts.

[whitemajikman]

To quote just one paragraph from Wayne Madsden's full text:

"The possible opening of the Northwest Passage to maritime shipping has already prompted Canadian warnings to the United States not to intrude on its national territory. The United States does not recognize Canadian sovereignty over its Arctic sea passages. This past summer, Canada's largest warship, a fleet of helicopters and 200 troops engaged in Operation Narwhal, the largest Canadian military exercise ever held in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. Narwhal was also noteworthy in that US military participants and observers were not invited."


What's your Point Wayne......?

Besides you not understanding the politic's of the situation,and what happened.

It seem's you have political aspiration's but don't have the gut's to come out and say what is truly on your mind........

Why Is that.....?

WMM

[Yaak]

Your style reminds me VERY much of cliif carnicom.HOLEY SMOKE!!! Now you've gone and done it, Stuart; reached all of the way to the bottom of your bag of insults. I hope you realize that any future insults might be misconstrued as compliments.:roll:

[jayreynolds]

It was clearly stated in earlier forum listing that: "Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat."

Ok, Jim, now I understand. But the question left begging is EXACTLY what compound you are talking about, what is the ACTUAL CHEMICAL FORMULA, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CHEMICAL REACTION EQUATION, AND WHAT ARE THE YIELDS????

THESE QUESTIONS AREN'T GOING AWAY, JIM. TO THE CONTRARY, THE MORE YOU LIE, THE MORE QUESTIONS GET RAISED!!



Also, very clear is that once the "soluble aluminum fuel additive" burns with the fuel in combustion, that the soluble aluminum compound in the fuel is converted to oxide first and secondary to this into other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume.

This doesn't really make sense, Jim. Sounds like you are saying that aluminum oxide is formed out of this as yet unnamed "compound", but then you say the aluminum oxide "is[secondarily] converted to"..."other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume".

The problem I have with this, is that it takes about 1 second for the heat of a jet engine exhaust plume to cool to ambient and freeze immediately into a contrail. EXACTLY what is the chemical equation OF THIS SECOND REACTION????? And how on earth does it change aluminum oxide into an "acid related compound" in the one second before freezing into ice crystals????

JIM, YOU ARE THE MAN WHO CAME UP WITH THIS, NOW YOU EXPLAIN IT

And don't forget, you originally said it turned into "alum", not "an acid related compound" like you are saying now.....


Nowhere, has it ever been stated that chemtrails techniques use solid aluminum dust added to the jet fuel. AKA----Soluble aluminum fuel additives are NOT, By Definition, aluminum dust or aluminum oxide.

Well, Jim, you'll have to take THAT up with just about every other chemmie, including your bos Wayne, considering that he has been claiming FOR YEARS that aluminum oxide was in jet fuel.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:zlyh9tnPYq4J:portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/291293.shtml+halva+chemtrails+%22aluminum+oxide%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

A rather good assement of the rogues gallery you have assembled round here. "Blah, blah" is very appropiate for their commentary, IMHO. But there is a much more sinister element to their denials.

With the jet plane black soot particles being linked to global warming way back in the 70's in NASA studies, things have not gotten any better since from the hundreds of other sources around the globe.

The manmade contribution to global warming is impossible to ignore. Only those in this to deceive and be untruthful claim otherwise. And the WMD effects on land in Fla. and even Polar Bear's existance is man's effect on this planet:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=581579

Arctic Wildlife On The Brink Of Catastrophe
By Steve Connor
The Independent - UK
11-13-4

Polar bears, the biggest land carnivores on Earth, face extinction this
century if the Arctic continues to melt at its present rate, a study into global
warming has found. The sea ice around the North Pole on which the bears depend
for hunting is shrinking so swiftly it could disappear during the summer months
by the end of the century, the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ICIA) says.

Scientists in the study believe the survival of the estimated 22,000 polar
bears in the region is hanging by a slender thread as they suffer the double
whammy of chemical pollution and dwindling feeding territories. Polar bears
traditionally hunt on floating sea ice for seals and other quarry. But the ice has
retreated significantly during summer, so the carnivores are having to swim
further from one floe to another in search of quarry.

As a result of this extra effort, many bears are failing to build up the
necessary fat reserves during the important hunting period of spring and early
summer to take them through the bitterly cold winter months when females nurse
their young. The sea ice in the Hudson Bay area of Canada, for instance, breaks
up about two and a half weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, Ian Stirling
of the Canadian Wildlife Service said.

The rapid and unprecedented shrinkage of the ice, and the extra burden it
places on the animals, has resulted in the polar bears here weighing, on average,
55lb less than they did in the 1970s. And the bears have long become more
than a nuisance in Churchill, Manitoba, on the shore of Hudson Bay. They are
frequently tranquilised and flown back north.

Scientists at the World Wildlife Fund said that, if that continues, many of
the polar bears in the Hudson Bay area will be so thin within the next 10 years
that they could become infertile. Lara Hansen, chief scientist at the WWF,
said: "If the population stops reproducing, that's the end of it."

Separate studies have already shown that toxic pollutants are building up in
the fat of polar bears in a way that could affect their ability to reproduce.
WWF scientists say these toxins are affecting the bears' immunity to
infections.

The ACIA is the product of four years' work by more than 250 scientists from
Britain, the United States and many other industrialised countries. Its
139-page report, presented to a scientific conference this week in Reykjavik, found
climate change is affecting the Arctic more than many other regions. For
instance, scientists estimate that the polar region is warming at up to 10 times
the rate of the world as a whole.

In Alaska, western Canada and eastern Russia, average winter temperatures
have risen as much as 3C or 4C in the past 50 years, and they are projected to
increase by a further 7C, or 13C, over the next 100 years.

Robert Corell, of the American Meteorological Society, who chaired the
assessment, said global warming is already affecting the native Arctic people as
well as the unique wildlife of the region. "The Arctic is experiencing some of
the most rapid and severe climate change on Earth," he said. "The impacts of
climate change on the region and the globe are projected to increase
substantially. The Arctic is really warming now. These areas provide a bellwether of
what's coming to planet Earth."

Several computer models of how the sea ice is shrinking were examined and the
scientists concluded that at the very minimum half the summer sea ice will
disappear by 2100, with some models showing an almost total melt. The assessment
adds: "This is very likely to have devastating consequences for some Arctic
animal species such as ice-living seals, walruses and Arctic char, and for
local people for whom these animals are a primary food source. Should the Arctic
Ocean become ice-free in summer, it is likely that polar bears and some seal
species would be driven toward extinction."

But it is not only polar bears and ringed seals that are threatened. Native
people are also having to cope with a dramatic change to their lifestyle, Chief
Gary Harrison of the Arctic Athabaskan Council, said. "Our homes are
threatened by storms and melting permafrost, our livelihoods are threatened by changes
to the plants and animals we harvest. Even our lives are threatened, as
traditional travel routes become more dangerous."

Countries bordering the Arctic, notably Russia, Greenland and Canada, are
already planning for the time when the north-west and north-east shipping routes
are open all year round. Russia especially is expected to benefit hugely from
the control of a year-round shipping route between Japan and Europe which will
cut thousands of miles off present-day trade routes. Another possible change
will result from the melting of the winter ice covering the Barents Sea which
is probably the coolest, purest and richest stretch of salt water in the
world. The corresponding increase in sunlight and phytoplankton in the Barents Sea
will trigger the growth of even richer fishing grounds for cod and other
commercially important species, bringing further industrial incursions into this
pristine world.

Arctic sea-ice naturally thickens in the winter and melts in the summer but
the balance has shifted significantly towards melting in recent years.
Scientists estimate the period of melting has increased by about five days every
decade over the past 50 years, with the result that the ice has got thinner and is
beginning to retreat rapidly. The phenomenon was first recognised by the
American military who closely monitored sea-ice thickness when its nuclear-powered
submarines sailed under the North Pole during the 1950s.

A comparison of sea-ice measurements made during 1958-76 with 1993-1997 found
it had thinned by 42 per cent. An analysis of similar data gathered by
British submarines between 1976 and 1996 found a 43 per cent thinning of Arctic
sea-ice.

snipped---see URL

[jayreynolds]

It was clearly stated in earlier forum listing that: "Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat."

Ok, Jim, now I understand. But the question left begging is EXACTLY what compound you are talking about, what is the ACTUAL CHEMICAL FORMULA, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CHEMICAL REACTION EQUATION, AND WHAT ARE THE YIELDS????

THESE QUESTIONS AREN'T GOING AWAY, JIM. TO THE CONTRARY, THE MORE YOU LIE, THE MORE QUESTIONS GET RAISED!!



Also, very clear is that once the "soluble aluminum fuel additive" burns with the fuel in combustion, that the soluble aluminum compound in the fuel is converted to oxide first and secondary to this into other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume.

This doesn't really make sense, Jim. Sounds like you are saying that aluminum oxide is formed out of this as yet unnamed "compound", but then you say the aluminum oxide "is[secondarily] converted to"..."other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume".

The problem I have with this, is that it takes about 1 second for the heat of a jet engine exhaust plume to cool to ambient and freeze immediately into a contrail. EXACTLY what is the chemical equation OF THIS SECOND REACTION????? And how on earth does it change aluminum oxide into an "acid related compound" in the one second before freezing into ice crystals????

JIM, YOU ARE THE MAN WHO CAME UP WITH THIS, NOW YOU EXPLAIN IT

And don't forget, you originally said it turned into "alum", not "an acid related compound" like you are saying now.....


Nowhere, has it ever been stated that chemtrails techniques use solid aluminum dust added to the jet fuel. AKA----Soluble aluminum fuel additives are NOT, By Definition, aluminum dust or aluminum oxide.

Well, Jim, you'll have to take THAT up with just about every other chemmie, including your bos Wayne, considering that he has been claiming FOR YEARS that aluminum oxide was in jet fuel.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:zlyh9tnPYq4J:portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/291293.shtml+halva+chemtrails+%22aluminum+oxide%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[gaiacomm]

... more eloquent words from the peanut gallery.

If you have nothing usefule to say, then why bother?


Beacuse if you read the last 300 pages...you will see why!

Blah.....Blah.....Blah>>>>>>

[whitemajikman]

Be sure to introduce yourself to the Forum "Maji," Shawn, and do use your entire name and stop being the coward. You are out of the closet now so do Tell us a little about yourself. What do you do with yourself all day long so you can play on the internet so frequently to goad the "Goys," as you term us, along?

Jim ,You are not the first Anti-Semite who has tried desperately to legitimize your hatred by using the Talmud.

You Seem to think that you can badger me with your hatred,and your paranoia....

That was your First Mistake.......

Your Second Mistake was to Admit to being a Jew Hater.......

Publicly.....

I ask you .......

What drives your incessant hatred for Jews.........?

Is it because of you Being Victimized as a Child....?

Or is it that your father figure was a racist .......?

Have you ever stepped foot on Israeli Soil.......Actually I know you haven't.......

Records don't Lie......

This Situation has come down to a struggle between YOUR hatred For Jews and YOUR apparent HATRED for YOURSELF........

I WILL ONLY GIVE YOU ONE WARNING JIM PHELPS,DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF IGNORING IT.......

ANTI-SEMITISM IS A CRIME.....

AND YOU ARE ON THE VERGE OF BEING INCARCERATED.......

WHILE I HAVE HEAPS OF PATIENCE SOME OF MY FRIENDS DO NOT........

YOU MIGHT THINK THAT YOU ARE SAFE FROM PROSECUTION, BUT REALITY DICTATES OTHERWISE.....

OH AND JIM YOU HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR OAK RIDGE........NOR HAVE YOU EVER SET FOOT ON THE PREMISES....

YOUR DELUSIONS ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY.........


YOUR HATE WILL BE DEFEATED.......

AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY.........

WMM

[gaiacomm]

What is wrong with hating the Jews? Or anyone else....that is our right as individuals to use our freedom of choice to love or hate who we please....rather it be right or wrong is up to God only.

[whitemajikman]

What is wrong with hating the Jews? Or anyone else....that is our right as individuals to use our freedom of choice to love or hate who we please....rather it be right or wrong is up to God only.

I am all for freedom of expression Gaia.....

But to hate without just cause is a trap.......

Jim Still hasn't explained his Hatred,Or his fear of Jewry......

Are you going to sit there on the fence and play moderator through-out this whole thread.......?

So far your biggest contribution to this thread has been the Immortal words.......

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.....

Jim's Opinion of Jews is Dangerous,Almost as Dangerous as your Inability to Stand up for what you believe in......

WMM

[stuart_allsop]

HOLEY SMOKE!!! Now you've gone and done it, Stuart; reached all of the way to the bottom of your bag of insults. I hope you realize that any future insults might be misconstrued as compliments.:roll::)

Thanks Yaak! I'll certainly keep that in mind, when I go looking for deeper insults. .... Hmmm.. I see what you mean.... that's gonna be tought to beat, isn't it??? :)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh my,

It must be an insurrection, Gaia won't take sides for Shawn. Another with Hebrew roots speaks to the voice of reason. Excellent. Such outright insubordination. How dare you!!!

I am coming to appreciate your "Blah, Blah's" when things need to get reigned in with outrageous claims from this bunch of Jackals.

Anonymous Shawn tosses all kinds of insults, falsehoods, defamation's, and even what appear to be attempts to engage in extortion to keep me from expressing my little opinions. It looks like the words of hate directed at me for just listing some interesting Talmud quotations, or expressing my religion belief. Not even man enough to state his name.

I have never expressed any hate toward Jews or anyone else. I have taken up for the Christ methods of Love and for the principles of accountability.

It is really bad when one comments that he does not agree with some really sick parts of the Talmud, and gets accused of being anti-Semitic. Or agrees with insights from Pope's and gets called antisemetic.

Anything that does not go Shawn's way just has to be anti-Semitic.

All the entire world would be accused of being antisemetic for holding up for moral decency by this Shawn's crazy world view. Obviously, Shawn must approve of raping children, taking money and goods from Goy's, and all these things that offend the laws of the US.

All these off the wall comments like have you ever been to Israel. Why would anyone want to go to Israel where there are all kinds of guns, crazy people shooting guns, walls cropping up to wall in the people because they apparently can't get along with others?

I have been look at this Jewish issue for some time. I took the time to look at all their problems in Europe for several thousand years and look at how they were exiled, walled up in ghettos, or killed and there is a huge list of these events numbering well over 200 incidences. Jews have been kicked out of France, England, all kinds of cities and kingdoms. I asked myself why is it they cannot get along with the rest of the world.

The answer that came forward was their religion goes against the grain of God. God says equality, and the Jews keep running this state within a state stuff that takes over the local Govt. and control of its money systems. When the leaders get upset, the Jews get the boot.

It would seem that if I can find this pattern of the Jews using religion in the wrong fashion and that obvious pattern of them failing to get along with others, then they would consider making some changes in their beliefs. But after all kinds of pogroms and holocausts, nothing has changed.

Then we wonder why all these US religions are predicting the end-times and the forcing the Jews to accept Christ message. I guess all these Jerry Fallwells and other TV evangelists sitting around predicting this bible armageddon event must be the ultimate the anti-Semites for Shawn's world that only revolves around one view, his own.

We see the same pattern of how the Jewish factions have manipulated their ways into power and control using the methods seen right here.

I worked the national security circuit, so I got to know the seedier side of the Jewish methods. Oak Ridge is very Jewish controlled and they only keep the lid on things by using methods just like seen here.

In working national security, I found the war on communism was really about allowing the church to overwhelm an atheist styled Govt. Communism sprang from the problems with religion becoming a state within a state and taking over Gov's. Same problem is happening in the US with Bush.

I also found the war on cancer, was really about letting industry run wild and never telling the public that industry was going to make them sick and kill them.

I also found that the foundation for God was really about God being for Man's purpose, not vice versa. I found great inspirations in the art of Michalangelo. His Sistine painting called the Creation is about the duality of man creating God, with God sitting on a cloud with the shape of man's brain. Even better was the stone carving of Moses with Horns, like a Satan with horns.

http://www.doewatch.com/Creation.art

http://www.doewatch.com/Moses.art

http://www.doewatch.com/Mary2.JPG

Notice the Star of David atom symbol in the Mary statue of Oak Ridge? Quite a rush, isn't it?

This is the real message that even those Fluorintines found about the real story of God and that really the God of the Jews as composed by Moses is quite different that Jesus view.

Jesus only claimed that he was the way to God, and I don't see this claim that Jesus claimed he was God. Only the Jews seem to deny Christ and get upset when someone says this is superior to their religion. They appear to hate Love and do anything to promote friction. Admitting the Christ was correct is the biggest act of anti-semitism for Shawn. He can't do it.

Shawn also can't admit that Moses God had lots to do with volcanic events, and once one gets into that----Chemtrials become a big signal for changes coming to Judiasm.

Which means Shawn's hat will forever be gray, because only the Christ was lilly white. And the Pharisee's was pitch black with the tar of Satan. Zionist's hats are still very black.

Put a sock in it Shawn, you malicious hate monger,

is

[gaiacomm]

Oh my,

It must be an insurrection, Gaia won't take sides for Shawn. Another with Hebrew roots speaks to the voice of reason. Excellent. Such outright insubordination. How dare you!!!

I am coming to appreciate your "Blah, Blah's" when things need to get reigned in with outrageous claims from this bunch of Jackals.

Anonymous Shawn tosses all kinds of insults, falsehoods, defamation's, and even what appear to be attempts to engage in extortion to keep me from expressing my little opinions. It looks like the words of hate directed at me for just listing some interesting Talmud quotations, or expressing my religion belief. Not even man enough to state his name.

I have never expressed any hate toward Jews or anyone else. I have taken up for the Christ methods of Love and for the principles of accountability.

It is really bad when one comments that he does not agree with some really sick parts of the Talmud, and gets accused of being anti-Semitic. Or agrees with insights from Pope's and gets called antisemetic.

Anything that does not go Shawn's way just has to be anti-Semitic.

All the entire world would be accused of being antisemetic for holding up for moral decency by this Shawn's crazy world view. Obviously, Shawn must approve of raping children, taking money and goods from Goy's, and all these things that offend the laws of the US.

All these off the wall comments like have you ever been to Israel. Why would anyone want to go to Israel where there are all kinds of guns, crazy people shooting guns, walls cropping up to wall in the people because they apparently can't get along with others?

I have been look at this Jewish issue for some time. I took the time to look at all their problems in Europe for several thousand years and look at how they were exiled, walled up in ghettos, or killed and there is a huge list of these events numbering well over 200 incidences. Jews have been kicked out of France, England, all kinds of cities and kingdoms. I asked myself why is it they cannot get along with the rest of the world.

The answer that came forward was their religion goes against the grain of God. God says equality, and the Jews keep running this state within a state stuff that takes over the local Govt. and control of its money systems. When the leaders get upset, the Jews get the boot.

It would seem that if I can find this pattern of the Jews using religion in the wrong fashion and that obvious pattern of them failing to get along with others, then they would consider making some changes in their beliefs. But after all kinds of pogroms and holocausts, nothing has changed.

Then we wonder why all these US religions are predicting the end-times and the forcing the Jews to accept Christ message. I guess all these Jerry Fallwells and other TV evangelists sitting around predicting this bible armageddon event must be the ultimate the anti-Semites for Shawn's world that only revolves around one view, his own.

We see the same pattern of how the Jewish factions have manipulated their ways into power and control using the methods seen right here.

I worked the national security circuit, so I got to know the seedier side of the Jewish methods. Oak Ridge is very Jewish controlled and they only keep the lid on things by using methods just like seen here.

In working national security, I found the war on communism was really about allowing the church to overwhelm an atheist styled Govt. Communism sprang from the problems with religion becoming a state within a state and taking over Gov's. Same problem is happening in the US with Bush.

I also found the war on cancer, was really about letting industry run wild and never telling the public that industry was going to make them sick and kill them.

I also found that the foundation for God was really about God being for Man's purpose, not vice versa. I found great inspirations in the art of Michalangelo. His Sistine painting called the Creation is about the duality of man creating God, with God sitting on a cloud with the shape of man's brain. Even better was the stone carving of Moses with Horns, like a Satan with horns.

http://www.doewatch.com/Creation.art

http://www.doewatch.com/Moses.art

http://www.doewatch.com/Mary2.JPG

This is the real message that even those Fluorintines found about the real story of God and that really the God of the Jews as composed by Moses is quite different that Jesus view.

Jesus only claimed that he was the way to God, and I don't see this claim that Jesus claimed he was God. Only the Jews seem to deny Christ and get upset when someone says this is superior to their religion. They appear to hate Love and do anything to promote friction. Admitting the Christ was correct is the biggest act of anti-semitism for Shawn. He can't do it.

Shawn also can't admit that Moses God had lots to do with volcanic events, and once one gets into that----Chemtrials become a big signal for changes coming to Judiasm.

Which means Shawn's hat will forever be gray, because only the Christ was lilly white. And the Pharisee's was pitch black with the tar of Satan. Zionist's hats are still very black.

Put a sock in it Shawn, you malicious hate monger,

is


Now what is all of this? Can you not stand on your own words or do you need Jesus to speak for you? Why all of the lenghty ranting...just get to the point and wait for an answer. Now remember the answer may not be what you are looking for but it still is an answer and so you should respect that much at least. The Jews are not the chosen ones the Human Race is!

[gaiacomm]

Oh yes one more point to make: Judge not lest you be judged, for you will be judged by the standards you yourself shall apply!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Not too shabby an insight Gaia...

"The Jews are not the chosen ones the Human Race is!"

Moral high ground there. Equality, Camelot, Round Tables are the symbols for world peace.
What would be the symbolism for the Hebrew atom sign? Hell, war, burning?

"Now what is all of this? "

Just collecting data, Gaia, looking at who is helping to cover this stuff up.
Surely you know that where ever I go, so goes a number of FBI, CIA, and NSA types all watching carefully. Might have to fire up some special White Trains and some FEMA camp facilities to get matters back in line. It is not going to be pretty.

is

[whitemajikman]

Not too shabby an insight Gaia...

"The Jews are not the chosen ones the Human Race is!"

Moral high ground there. Equality, Camelot, Round Tables are the symbols for world peace.
What would be the symbolism for the Hebrew atom sign? Hell, war, burning?

"Now what is all of this? "

Just collecting data, Gaia, looking at who is helping to cover this stuff up.
Surely you know that where ever I go, so goes a number of FBI, CIA, and NSA types all watching carefully. Might have to fire up some special White Trains and some FEMA camp facilities to get matters back in line. It is not going to be pretty.

is


Your last paragraph tells me all I need to Know.

Which is you have no clue who you are dealing with.

And your right It's not going to be pretty.

WMM

[whitemajikman]

Jim ,You still haven't answered why you hate Jews.....

And blame Jews for all of the "Evils" of the world.

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

"Which is you have no clue who you are dealing with."

More threats ah Shawn. You just can't seem to stop it.

Go change your underwear, you seem to have soiled yourself.

[stuart_allsop]

The Jews are not the chosen ones ...It's a great pity that God does not agree with you.. (And no, I'm not Jewish.)

[whitemajikman]

"Which is you have no clue who you are dealing with."

More threats ah Shawn. You just can't seem to stop it.

Go change your underwear, you seem to have soiled yourself.

Now your Dreaming....

Are you going to answer any of the question's regarding your hatred of Jews.....?

Or are you going to continue with your God Complex......?


WMM

[stuart_allsop]

Are you going to answer any of the question's regarding your hatred of Jews.....?Of course he's not going to answer themm Shawn. He's an ignorant troll. Trolls are incapable of answering a direct question. So don't hold your breath: there will be no answer to your question.

And for the very same reason, these ignorant trolls refuse to engage in normal debate. Simply because they are mentally incapable of doing so.

[whitemajikman]

[QUOTE=whitemajikman
Are you going to answer any of the question's regarding your hatred of Jews.....?Of course he's not going to answer themm Shawn. He's an ignorant troll. Trolls are incapable of answering a direct question. So don't hold your breath: there will be no answer to your question.

And for the very same reason, these ignorant trolls refuse to engage in normal debate. Simply because they are mentally incapable of doing so.[/QUOTE]


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know Stuart, But did you know That Jim is a Anti-Nuclear Activist That gets his Kicks trying to Scare People with his Conspiracy Garbage and is on a Federal watch List,For his Anti-semitism and Terrorist Leaning's.....?

It seems that we have outed quite the group of people over here at huffington's.....

WAYNE HALL
JIM PHELPS

BOTH ANTI-SEMITES and Both ON OUR WATCH LIST.

HOW MANY OF THESE CONSPIRACY KOOKS ARE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC I WONDER........?

AND HOW MANY MORE ARE HIDING UNDER THE GUISE OF ACTIVISM........

I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIME TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER KOOKS AT CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL AND REALLY INVESTIGATE THEIR BACKGROUNDS.

JUST A THOUGHT........

WMM

[foot_soldier]

Public Release Date: 24 September 2004
University of Alaska, Fairbanks

Alaska scientists find Arctic tundra yields surprising carbon loss
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-09/uoaf-asf092404.php

Carbon loss from soils exceeds storage by plants

Fairbanks, Alaska – Institute of Arctic Biology (IAB) ecologists Donie Bret-Harte and Terry Chapin and colleagues working in northern Alaska discovered that tundra plants and soils respond in surprisingly opposite ways to conditions that simulate long-term climate warming.

Their findings are published in the September 23, 2004 edition of the leading science journal Nature and are featured in the journal's News and Views section.

Bret-Harte, Chapin, lead author Michelle Mack of the University of Florida, Gainesville, and colleagues set out to investigate whether the commonly held assumption that a warming climate will lead to bigger plants that can store more carbon and thereby reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide was indeed a silver lining in the global warming cloud that some people had hoped for.

Apparently not.

"The broadest implication of this research is that climate warming could lead to a much greater release of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and a greater positive feedback to further warming than we originally thought," Bret-Harte said.

In the experiment, conducted at IAB's Toolik Field Station, researchers measured the amount of carbon and nitrogen in plants and soils from plots of tundra that have been continually fertilized since 1980 – a condition thought to simulate the increased nutrient availability expected as a result of a warmer climate. The plots are part of a 20-plus-year project by Terry Chapin of IAB, and Gus Shaver of The Ecosystems Center at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Massachusetts.

"One of the greatest values of IAB's Toolik Field Station is that it provides opportunities for long-term uninterrupted research in a pristine environment. We could never have gotten the results we did without such a long-term experiment," said Bret-Harte.

"The connection between fertilization and warming is that warmer temperatures should stimulate decomposition of dead plant material, releasing carbon to the atmosphere and nitrogen to plants. Nitrogen limits plant growth in most terrestrial ecosystems, said Bret-Harte"

"What's really surprising about this result is that we didn't expect that this big loss of carbon from the soils would be stimulated by nitrogen alone. Everyone had assumed increased decomposition would be caused by increased temperatures, and the main effect of increased nitrogen would be to stimulate plant growth and store more carbon. We expected that fertilization by itself would lead to increased carbon storage."

"Instead, nitrogen seems to stimulate decomposition and promote carbon dioxide release to the atmosphere from the soils," Bret-Harte said.

The researchers found that although the aboveground portion of tundra plants doubled their productivity under fertilization and, as expected, stored more carbon, the losses of carbon and nitrogen from the deep-soil layers was substantial and more than offset the increased carbon stored in the aboveground plants and plant litter.

Because more than one-third of the world's soil carbon is stored in northern ecosystems – boreal forest and Arctic tundra – and is equivalent to two-thirds of the carbon found in the atmosphere, the loss of deep-soil carbon could mean an even greater increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations than is caused by fossil fuel burning.

"The paradigm is that decomposers (microbes) are always limited by carbon availability and almost never limited by nitrogen availability, but this project suggests that we don't understand decomposition as well as we thought we did. Better understanding of decomposition is necessary to be able to predict what will happen with climate warming in northern ecosystems."

###

The project was supported by the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Arctic Long-Term Ecological Research (LTER) programme and an NSF postdoctoral fellowship to Michelle Mack.

CONTACT:

Dr. Syndonia (Donie) Bret-Harte, Research Assistant Professor, Associate Science Director Toolik Field Station, Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-5434, ffmsb@uaf.edu.

Dr. F. Stuart (Terry) Chapin, Professor of Ecology, Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-7922, terry.chapin@uaf.edu.

Dr. Michelle Mack, Department of Botany, University of Florida, Gainesville, mcmack@ufl.edu.

Dr. Edward A. G. Schuur, Assistant Professor of Ecosystem Ecology, Department of Botany, University of Florida, Gainesville, 352-392-7913, tschuu@ufl.edu.

Dr. Gaius R. Shaver, Senior Scientist, The Ecosystems Center, Marine Biological Laboratory, Woods Hole, Massachusetts, 805-289-7492, gshaver@lternet.edu.

Dr. Brian Barnes, Science Director Toolik Field Station, Director Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-7648, ffbmb@uaf.edu.

[foot_soldier]

12 November 2004
Alaska's tundra now releasing carbon dioxide
http://north.cbc.ca/regionalnews/caches/global-warming-tundra-11122004.html

WHITEHORSE - Scientists say they've found evidence the North has now become a source of atmosphere-warming carbon dioxide.

A new study from the Pew Center on Global Climate change says the Arctic tundra is no longer absorbing carbon dioxide, but it rather releasing it.

Scientists have estimated that soils in the Arctic have accumulated up to one-third of the entire earth's organic carbon.

When the climate warms, carbon that had been locked in frozen peat and other permafrost zones is released through melting.

Camille Parmesan of the University of Texas says the tundra has changed from being a carbon sink to a carbon source.

"For many thousands of years Alaska has sucked up quite a lot of carbon from the atmosphere and put it into long-term storage as part of the frozen tundra," she says. "The carbon bank has now turned into a carbon exhaust."

Parmesan says the changes are because winters have become warmer and drier, allowing more plants to decompose.

The study came out on the heels of a major global warming report that was released earlier this week.

That report says the rate of warming in the North is rising rapidly.

Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
For Public Release November 8, 2004
http://www.acia.uaf.edu/

[foot_soldier]

28 October 2004
A greenhouse gas goes underground
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1028/p14s01-sten.html

It may seem like sweeping the problem under the rug. But at a partially depleted oil reservoir in the flatlands of southeastern Saskatchewan, Canadian researchers have found a cheap solution to global warming: burial.

By injecting carbon dioxide (CO2) into the underground oil field, the researchers are not only cutting emissions of the greenhouse gas, they're also boosting oil production. The extra oil generates enough revenue to substantially offset the cost of burying the CO2.

"We have been able to show that you can safely capture carbon dioxide that would otherwise go back into the atmosphere," says Ben Rostron, a coordinator of the University of Alberta project. "Everything we've done has shown us this is a good place to store carbon dioxide."

While underground storage of CO2 won't solve the problem of global warming by itself, it could dramatically reduce the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases spewing into the atmosphere, experts say. It's already part of President Bush's energy plan. And the idea is gaining momentum in other parts of the world.

The $28 million demonstration project in Saskatchewan began in 2000 to investigate the feasibility of storing CO2 in the 44-year-old Weyburn Field. The CO2 is shipped in via a 220-mile pipeline from the Dakota Gasification Company's plant in Beulah, N.D. (The plant converts coal to clean-burning natural gas.)

One big reason to choose old oil fields for underground CO2 storage is the economics. The pressure created by injection of the gas into the permeable rock drives more crude oil to the production wells. In addition, the injected CO2 emulsifies and partially dissolves the crude, allowing it to flow more easily to the production wells. This process produces additional oil, which offsets the costs of separating CO2 from industrial smokestack gases, transporting it, and pumping it deep underground. These costs are substantial, about $30 per ton of CO2. (The US Department of Energy is funding research to reduce separation costs to $8 a ton.)

Another reason: The geology of old oil fields has been studied intensively. This knowledge enables operators to avoid two potential problems: water pollution and CO2 leaks.

CO2 injection repressurizes the oil reservoir. This step could force briny water up, polluting surface waters and aquifers. In addition, CO2 could leak to the surface and escape into the atmosphere, defeating the whole purpose of the project. So far, none of the CO2 injected into the Weyburn Field has escaped to the surface nor is there evidence of polluted water in the area, says project manager Michael Monea of Canada's Petroleum Technology Research Center.

About 21 million tons will be injected over the 25 years of the project. Saskatchewan's oil fields are large enough to store all the province's carbon-dioxide emissions over the next 30 years, according to the research center, which manages the Weyburn project.

In addition, oil production at the field has increased 50 percent since CO2 injection began four years ago. The project aims to recover an additional 130 million barrels of oil worth over $5 billion.

The US Department of Energy is planning a similar project in Wyoming. The 10,000-acre Teapot Dome oil field would store CO2 piped in from a natural-gas processing plant more than 300 miles away.

For more than 20 years, CO2 injections have helped recover hundreds of millions of barrels of oil from old west Texas fields that otherwise could not be produced economically. But the CO2 used in these projects comes from deposits deep underground. So there is no net reduction in greenhouse gasses.

Under Mr. Bush's energy plan, power plants would capture 90 percent of their emissions for underground storage by 2012. Since the plants are a major producer of CO2, the plan would reduce by about 40 percent the 1.6 billion tons of CO2 the US emits annually, about one-quarter of the world's total.

Underground CO2 storage could have wide application globally. "Countries around the world are spending millions to investigate this same technique," says Dr. Rostron.

For example, the Research Institute of Innovative Technology for the Earth (RITE) started an underground CO2 storage project in Nagaoka, Japan, in July using government funding. The goal is to develop technology for routine use by 2015. RITE estimates Japan can store about 70 billion tons of CO2 underground. According to Japan's Environmental Ministry, this is more than 50 times the country's 2001 CO2 emissions. But Japan does not have enough oil fields to offset the costs of CO2 storage underground.

While underground storage of CO2 would achieve "deep reductions" in emissions, long-term solutions must include increased use of renewable energy sources and improved energy efficiency, says David Hawkins, director of the climate center for the Natural Resources Defense Council, a US environmental group.

Underground CO2 storage, combined with conservation and wind, solar, and nuclear, could make major contributions to reducing global CO2 emissions, says Robert Socolow of Princeton University's Carbon Mitigation Initiative in New Jersey.

Global emissions of the gas could triple over the next 100 years, if something isn't done, says the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

"Fortunately, we have the tools to do this," Dr. Socolow says, "especially if we think in terms of 50-year campaigns, not instant solutions."

***

.....While underground storage of CO2 won't solve the problem of global warming by itself, it could dramatically reduce the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases spewing into the atmosphere, experts say. It's already part of President Bush's energy plan.....
So, if rising atmospheric CO2 concentration from "heat-trapping gases spewing into the atmosphere" isn't a problem, then why is capture and underground (and deep-ocean) storage of carbon dioxide emissions "part of Bush's energy plan"? He's committed to backing the interests of the fossil fuel lobbyists / climate change debunkers, isn't he?

[halva]

IPCC Planning meeting on the Cross-cutting themes "Integration of Adaptation and Mitigation" and "Sustainable Developement"

Date: September 1 - 2, 2004 , ECN office, Amsterdam, the Netherlands

http://arch.rivm.nl/env/int/ipcc/

[jayreynolds]

It was clearly stated in earlier forum listing that: "Just adding soluble aluminum fuel additive to jet would release aluminum particles into the exhaust heat."

Ok, Jim, now I understand. But the question left begging is EXACTLY what compound you are talking about, what is the ACTUAL CHEMICAL FORMULA, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CHEMICAL REACTION EQUATION, AND WHAT ARE THE YIELDS????

THESE QUESTIONS AREN'T GOING AWAY, JIM. TO THE CONTRARY, THE MORE YOU LIE, THE MORE QUESTIONS GET RAISED!!



Also, very clear is that once the "soluble aluminum fuel additive" burns with the fuel in combustion, that the soluble aluminum compound in the fuel is converted to oxide first and secondary to this into other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume.

This doesn't really make sense, Jim. Sounds like you are saying that aluminum oxide is formed out of this as yet unnamed "compound", but then you say the aluminum oxide "is[secondarily] converted to"..."other acid related aluminum compounds in the heated exhaust plume".

The problem I have with this, is that it takes about 1 second for the heat of a jet engine exhaust plume to cool to ambient and freeze immediately into a contrail. EXACTLY what is the chemical equation OF THIS SECOND REACTION????? And how on earth does it change aluminum oxide into an "acid related compound" in the one second before freezing into ice crystals????

JIM, YOU ARE THE MAN WHO CAME UP WITH THIS, NOW YOU EXPLAIN IT

And don't forget, you originally said it turned into "alum", not "an acid related compound" like you are saying now.....


Nowhere, has it ever been stated that chemtrails techniques use solid aluminum dust added to the jet fuel. AKA----Soluble aluminum fuel additives are NOT, By Definition, aluminum dust or aluminum oxide.

Well, Jim, you'll have to take THAT up with just about every other chemmie, including your bos Wayne, considering that he has been claiming FOR YEARS that aluminum oxide was in jet fuel.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:zlyh9tnPYq4J:portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/291293.shtml+halva+chemtrails+%22aluminum+oxide%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Jim, YOU are the one who has made these contradictory claims. Of course, since you are a liar, your claims have changed over time.

If you refuse to tell your fellow chemmies EXACTLY what you claim to know, you are withholding information from them.

You are, essentially, engaging in a coverup.

[jayreynolds]

[So, if rising atmospheric CO2 concentration from "heat-trapping gases spewing into the atmosphere" isn't a problem, then why is capture and underground (and deep-ocean) storage of carbon dioxide emissions "part of Bush's energy plan"? He's committed to backing the interests of the fossil fuel lobbyists / climate change debunkers, isn't he?

Deborah, you stupid fool. Leave it to aleftie to not have a clue about the profit motive.

The article tells you that CO2 injection enables EVEN MORE oil to be recovered from these old oil fields. my Brother-inlaw's land in west Texas was abused during the oil boom. The drillers dug wells every 1000 feet and just let er rip, extracting just the top of the pool. This left over 90% of the oil still down there, but trapped in the sponge. The pumps litter the ladscape in all directions, sitting, waiting, ready to have the field refreshed so they can resume sucking out the black gold.

Now the oil companies can first get paid for "sequestering" the CO2, use it whenever/wherever to revitalize their old fields, then pump out and sell all that old oil they've been saving for 75 years, back when oil was $5/barrel, and now they can sell it for $55/bbl! This is West Texas Intermediate, the acapulco gold of the oil patch, light and sweet, perfect for making gasoline.

Ten years ago, I stated that the oil companies would jump on GW whenever they found a way to make money out of it.

You, and your enviro-cult friends, have found the 'best of both worlds' for them. Thanks to you, they get paid when CO2 goes down, and can also then sell product they couldn't otherwise recover. Must have been a conspiracy, huh?

[jayreynolds]

Chemmies are really 'reaching' now........
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=59148

Not much action, Wayne......
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ama_lahi/

[halva]

Professor Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber
Tyndall Centre

Dear Professor Schellnhuber,

"The Guardian" of October 31st

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1340279,00.html

quotes you as saying: 'If John Kerry wins, there might be a better chance of an open dialogue, there might be a feeling we can start again. If Bush wins, then we will have to wait and see'.

Two questions,

1) Did Mr. Bush win the 2004 presidential elections?

2) If he did, what are you now waiting to see?

Best wishes,

W. Hall,

Athens, Greece

[gaiacomm]

Not too shabby an insight Gaia...

"The Jews are not the chosen ones the Human Race is!"

Moral high ground there. Equality, Camelot, Round Tables are the symbols for world peace.
What would be the symbolism for the Hebrew atom sign? Hell, war, burning?

"Now what is all of this? "

Just collecting data, Gaia, looking at who is helping to cover this stuff up.
Surely you know that where ever I go, so goes a number of FBI, CIA, and NSA types all watching carefully. Might have to fire up some special White Trains and some FEMA camp facilities to get matters back in line. It is not going to be pretty.

is


I think you might find that the ones that wrote the script are the Neocons and Evangelical Christians that are ignorant of their ignorance which makes them dangerous. The boogy man departments (*FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc) are their to just watch and learn. Look for the shadow departments that work independent from democracy and freedom for all peoples! Oh I might ad that Women have equal rights as well and should also be treated with respect...after all they are gifts from God!

[foot_soldier]

Public Release Date: 24 September 2004
University of Alaska, Fairbanks

Alaska scientists find Arctic tundra yields surprising carbon loss
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-09/uoaf-asf092404.php

Carbon loss from soils exceeds storage by plants

Fairbanks, Alaska – Institute of Arctic Biology (IAB) ecologists Donie Bret-Harte and Terry Chapin and colleagues working in northern Alaska discovered that tundra plants and soils respond in surprisingly opposite ways to conditions that simulate long-term climate warming.

Their findings are published in the September 23, 2004 edition of the leading science journal Nature and are featured in the journal's News and Views section.

Bret-Harte, Chapin, lead author Michelle Mack of the University of Florida, Gainesville, and colleagues set out to investigate whether the commonly held assumption that a warming climate will lead to bigger plants that can store more carbon and thereby reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide was indeed a silver lining in the global warming cloud that some people had hoped for.

Apparently not.

"The broadest implication of this research is that climate warming could lead to a much greater release of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and a greater positive feedback to further warming than we originally thought," Bret-Harte said.

In the experiment, conducted at IAB's Toolik Field Station, researchers measured the amount of carbon and nitrogen in plants and soils from plots of tundra that have been continually fertilized since 1980 – a condition thought to simulate the increased nutrient availability expected as a result of a warmer climate. The plots are part of a 20-plus-year project by Terry Chapin of IAB, and Gus Shaver of The Ecosystems Center at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Massachusetts.

"One of the greatest values of IAB's Toolik Field Station is that it provides opportunities for long-term uninterrupted research in a pristine environment. We could never have gotten the results we did without such a long-term experiment," said Bret-Harte.

"The connection between fertilization and warming is that warmer temperatures should stimulate decomposition of dead plant material, releasing carbon to the atmosphere and nitrogen to plants. Nitrogen limits plant growth in most terrestrial ecosystems, said Bret-Harte"

"What's really surprising about this result is that we didn't expect that this big loss of carbon from the soils would be stimulated by nitrogen alone. Everyone had assumed increased decomposition would be caused by increased temperatures, and the main effect of increased nitrogen would be to stimulate plant growth and store more carbon. We expected that fertilization by itself would lead to increased carbon storage."

"Instead, nitrogen seems to stimulate decomposition and promote carbon dioxide release to the atmosphere from the soils," Bret-Harte said.

The researchers found that although the aboveground portion of tundra plants doubled their productivity under fertilization and, as expected, stored more carbon, the losses of carbon and nitrogen from the deep-soil layers was substantial and more than offset the increased carbon stored in the aboveground plants and plant litter.

Because more than one-third of the world's soil carbon is stored in northern ecosystems – boreal forest and Arctic tundra – and is equivalent to two-thirds of the carbon found in the atmosphere, the loss of deep-soil carbon could mean an even greater increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations than is caused by fossil fuel burning.

"The paradigm is that decomposers (microbes) are always limited by carbon availability and almost never limited by nitrogen availability, but this project suggests that we don't understand decomposition as well as we thought we did. Better understanding of decomposition is necessary to be able to predict what will happen with climate warming in northern ecosystems."

###

The project was supported by the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Arctic Long-Term Ecological Research (LTER) programme and an NSF postdoctoral fellowship to Michelle Mack.

CONTACT:

Dr. Syndonia (Donie) Bret-Harte, Research Assistant Professor, Associate Science Director Toolik Field Station, Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-5434, ffmsb@uaf.edu.

Dr. F. Stuart (Terry) Chapin, Professor of Ecology, Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-7922, terry.chapin@uaf.edu.

Dr. Michelle Mack, Department of Botany, University of Florida, Gainesville, mcmack@ufl.edu.

Dr. Edward A. G. Schuur, Assistant Professor of Ecosystem Ecology, Department of Botany, University of Florida, Gainesville, 352-392-7913, tschuu@ufl.edu.

Dr. Gaius R. Shaver, Senior Scientist, The Ecosystems Center, Marine Biological Laboratory, Woods Hole, Massachusetts, 805-289-7492, gshaver@lternet.edu.

Dr. Brian Barnes, Science Director Toolik Field Station, Director Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska Fairbanks, 907-474-7648, ffbmb@uaf.edu.


.

[foot_soldier]

12 November 2004
Alaska's tundra now releasing carbon dioxide
http://north.cbc.ca/regionalnews/caches/global-warming-tundra-11122004.html

WHITEHORSE - Scientists say they've found evidence the North has now become a source of atmosphere-warming carbon dioxide.

A new study from the Pew Center on Global Climate change says the Arctic tundra is no longer absorbing carbon dioxide, but it rather releasing it.

Scientists have estimated that soils in the Arctic have accumulated up to one-third of the entire earth's organic carbon.

When the climate warms, carbon that had been locked in frozen peat and other permafrost zones is released through melting.

Camille Parmesan of the University of Texas says the tundra has changed from being a carbon sink to a carbon source.

"For many thousands of years Alaska has sucked up quite a lot of carbon from the atmosphere and put it into long-term storage as part of the frozen tundra," she says. "The carbon bank has now turned into a carbon exhaust."

Parmesan says the changes are because winters have become warmer and drier, allowing more plants to decompose.

The study came out on the heels of a major global warming report that was released earlier this week.

That report says the rate of warming in the North is rising rapidly.

Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
For Public Release November 8, 2004
http://www.acia.uaf.edu/


.

[gaiacomm]

Blah....Blah,,,,,,,Blah........Blah!!!!!!

[gaiacomm]

Do you really think that these scientists really care about Planet Earth? They are just there to fill space. They don't run the planet and so that is that! Global warming will be with us all until we die and there is nothing you can do to stop it except accept it until you have the gold to make the rules. Its about money not the planet!

But there is something we all can do to stop this and that is something you will have to decide on your own.....

[gaiacomm]

world peace
I find that religious ignorance plays an important role in most wars and conflicts. If people can accept difference and realize that we all live in the same house, just in different rooms, then maybe we all can become the Human Race!
(Gaiacomm)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

I can agree with some of what you are saying, but I do think there are things to do. Many things: like stop building SUV gas hogs, promote green power methods to avoid CO2, and mediation methods like chemtrail techniques (but do it in openness and tell folks everything).

I can agree on the religion causing wars. Some would attempt to say that you are on the fence, but when an obviously Hebrew origin person is not Jewish in religion belief it does say something. Perhaps intelligence !!

I have many Jewish friends that I communicate with regularly, and we talk about the Talmud's, RAMBAM, and all the problems coming down the pike from these problems. Most of us believe in a God that is more about nature and the natural order, than the ones made by man to serve various purposes. We can agree that science has met religion, and that there are huge problems in the Judaic versions of things. And with all that nobody is out trying the hate methods of labeling each other. It is vastly different from the gooberish few people here.

We can talk about how Mary was the loose harlot from the ruling family line of David, and got tired of all that and took up with lowly carpenters. How she encountered the Magi alchemists and learned the secrets of Moses version of God. Mary is adored by the Catholics and she is what started the Catholic church, as Mary had to flee her home to avoid being attacked. She ended up in Glastonberry due to tin mines owned by her family. Mary in the Talmud is treated with name calling hate language, and in Catholocism she is treated with Love and respected as divine for departure from the falsenesses in Pharasee and Sanhedron dogma.

One can see the gooberishness of the few persons that wear the off-white smutty hats here. When one drops a hint about one of the very first chemtrail spray methods for aluminum and it just gets overlooked by all the so called chemists and chemical engineers hovering round here. Well, that says something too. Ask all kinds of questions and disingenuous seeking, but don't find the obvious.

Nice little tri-methyl Al chemical called TMA can be sprayed into the air and was done in these rocket studies listed earlier: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.html
Citation:

"Each Danish rocket released a chemical called trimethylaluminate (TMA, for short) as it sped upward through altitude 80 km (50 miles). At this altitude the rocket was still in darkness and the TMA formed a yellowish trail. Then as the rocket entered sunlight, the TMA being released glowed a beautiful blue color."

Any chemist knows TMA vapor is reactive with water and makes aluminum oxide particles in air as it reacts with water vapor. It is even used in atomic layer vapor deposition methods: http://www.funmat.uio.no/Uorganisk/research_topics/alcvd_b.html It leaves zero doubt of the aluminum oxide results. TMA is even compatable with saturated hydrocarbons. This rocket spray test set up the basic concept for chemtrails using more advanced metal compounds.

There is lots of work on various metalized compounds and mixes of compounds that work best in fuel systems, some depend on the colloid properties of the metals. These advanced methods are more complex Al compounds than the basic idea from TMA. They are designed for fuel and combustion compatability. All that work is proprietary and confidential. But one can see one of the earliest of the methods from rocket testing above that led to the methods for chemtrails.

Missing that little hint speaks to the vapidness of the oligarchy of religious blunderers present here and what else they intentionally miss. To those goobers: Blah, Blah, Blah.......... Take your chatter where someone can appreciate total vapidity.

IMHO,
is

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

I can agree with some of what you are saying, but I do think there are things to do. Many things: like stop building SUV gas hogs, promote green power methods to avoid CO2, and mediation methods like chemtrail techniques (but do it in openness and tell folks everything).

I can agree on the religion causing wars. Some would attempt to say that you are on the fence, but when an obviously Hebrew origin person is not Jewish in religion belief it does say something. Perhaps intelligence !!

I have many Jewish friends that I communicate with regularly, and we talk about the Talmud's, RAMBAM, and all the problems coming down the pike from these problems. Most of us believe in a God that is more about nature and the natural order, than the ones made by man to serve various purposes. We can agree that science has met religion, and that there are huge problems in the Judaic versions of things. And with all that nobody is out trying the hate methods of labeling each other. It is vastly different from the gooberish few people here.

We can talk about how Mary was the loose harlot from the ruling family line of David, and got tired of all that and took up with lowly carpenters. How she encountered the Magi alchemists and learned the secrets of Moses version of God. Mary is adored by the Catholics and she is what started the Catholic church, as Mary had to flee her home to avoid being attacked. She ended up in Glastonberry due to tin mines owned by her family. Mary in the Talmud is treated with name calling hate language, and in Catholocism she is treated with Love and respected as divine for departure from the falsenesses in Pharasee and Sanhedron dogma.

One can see the gooberishness of the few persons that wear the off-white smutty hats here. When one drops a hint about one of the very first chemtrail spray methods for aluminum and it just gets overlooked by all the so called chemists and chemical engineers hovering round here. Well, that says something too. Ask all kinds of questions and disingenuous seeking, but don't find the obvious.

Nice little tri-methyl Al chemical called TMA can be sprayed into the air and was done in these rocket studies listed earlier: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.html
Citation:

"Each Danish rocket released a chemical called trimethylaluminate (TMA, for short) as it sped upward through altitude 80 km (50 miles). At this altitude the rocket was still in darkness and the TMA formed a yellowish trail. Then as the rocket entered sunlight, the TMA being released glowed a beautiful blue color."

Any chemist knows TMA vapor is reactive with water and makes aluminum oxide particles in air as it reacts with water vapor. It is even used in atomic layer vapor deposition methods: http://www.funmat.uio.no/Uorganisk/research_topics/alcvd_b.html It leaves zero doubt of the aluminum oxide results. TMA is even compatable with saturated hydrocarbons.

There is lots of work on various metalized compounds and mixes of compounds that work best in fuel systems, some depend on the colloid properties of the metals. All that work is proprietary and confidential. But one can see one of the earliest of the methods above that led to the methods for chemtrails.

Missing that little hint speaks to the vapidness of the oligarchy of religious blunderers present here and what else they intentionally miss. To those goobers: Blah, Blah, Blah.......... Take your chatter where someone can appreciate total vapidity.

IMHO,
is


Very interesting response. I read that you have some knowledge of religion...(way of life)...!

What is your "way of life" (Religion)...who do you follow or lead?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Gaia,

I can see you definitely moving off the fence and well into the realm of a wise and honest person. Refreshing in this realm of the BS artists.

Per your comments:

"I think you might find that the ones that wrote the script are the Neocons and Evangelical Christians that are ignorant of their ignorance which makes them dangerous. "
===
Yes, Gaia, but not all of them are ignorant. The national security system has known for some time all these problems of religion. What makes them dangerous is wanting to cover up so much connected to these items and their greed for money. Persons like Bush and Cheney are highly assocated with the knowledge on these factors that Oak Ridge has long posessed and manipulated for gain.

Dangerous, yes. Yes, they manipulate the ignorant---they seed and breed ignorance. Much like the goings on here. I don't know where this "Allsop's Fables" goober came from, but talk about one of the worst examples of vapid. A regular rock of knowledge there. IMHO. What BS, on read the Bible pushed by Allsop's Fables. He likely can't even figure out the Bible starts with the Torah, and Jesus had problems with Torah and its Pharasee interpretations. I learned to read at 5, memorized Psalms, read the thing a time or two. If Allsops has a learning disabilty and needs to read the thing all the time, he should not think others are so learning impaired. He needs to go read other sources like Talmuds, Egypian culture, alchemy if he is ever going to get any creadibilty round here.

Especially interesting, when "Fables" alledged chemical expertise can't seem to connect tetra ethyl hints to tri-methyl or tri-ethyl metal compounds. Mind like a steel trap there. Hell of an impression he leaves.

Ignorance and religion are extremely dangerous. And we have the blind leading the blind with the Few here.



The boogy man departments (*FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc) are their to just watch and learn.
========
Yes, they are definitely there watching and learning very quickly.
National security is going to be defined in proper fashions, not screwed around by the NeoCons and Evendelics much longer.


Look for the shadow departments that work independent from democracy and freedom for all peoples!
========
Ah Yes, most insightful you are Sir. Very True and this is the Nexus of the problems. We are totally aware of the issues of racketeering mascarading as choir boys, who are a thousand times worse than Meyer Lansky. And the mapping of these persons is well completed. Even right here.



Oh I might ad that Women have equal rights as well and should also be treated with respect...after all they are gifts from God!
=========
Ah Yes, both men and women are the gifts of God. I think it is a matter of perspective for you. I am big on equal rights of men, women, world peace too.

Equality = For every world of criticism against the Jewish religion problems, equality also means the same level of criticism toward the evangelics.

IMHO,
is

[whitemajikman]

Any chemist knows TMA vapor is reactive with water and makes aluminum oxide particles in air as it reacts with water vapor. It is even used in atomic layer vapor deposition methods: http://www.funmat.uio.no/Uorganisk/...cs/alcvd_b.html It leaves zero doubt of the aluminum oxide results. TMA is even compatable with saturated hydrocarbons.


You talk through your ass,Jim..........

While the research group did release it .........they vowed never to do it again.

and for good reason because TMA is a member of this chemical family.......

TRIMETHYLALUMINUM
(AND RELATED ORGANOALUMINUM COMPOUNDS)


Substance Trimethylaluminum (and related organoaluminum compounds)
(Trimethylalane, trimethylaluminium)
CAS 75-24-1
Note: Although other alkylaluminum reagents may have different physical properties than trimethylaluminum, their toxicology and reactivity are similar.

Formula (CH3)3Al

Physical Properties Colorless pyrophoric liquid
bp 125 to 126 °C, mp 15 °C
React explosively with water

Odor Corrosive odor and "taste" may be detectable from trimethylaluminum fires

Vapor Density Not available

Vapor Pressure 12 mmHg at 25 °C

Flash Point -18 °C

Autoignition Temperature Spontaneously ignites in air (even as a frozen solid)

Toxicity Data TLV-TWA (ACGIH) 2 mg (Al)/m 3

Major Hazards Highly reactive, pyrophoric substances; corrosive on contact with skin and eyes.

Toxicity Trimethylaluminum and related alkylaluminum reagents are pyrophoric materials that can react explosively with the moisture in tissues, causing severe burns. The heat of reaction can also ignite the methane gas generated, resulting in thermal burns. Alkylaluminum reagents are corrosive substances, and contact is extremely destructive to the eyes, skin, and mucous membranes. Inhalation of trimethylaluminum and other volatile alkylaluminum compounds may cause severe damage to the respiratory tract and can lead to fatal pulmonary edema.

Flammability and Explosibility Trimethylaluminum is pyrophoric and burns violently on contact with air or water. Other alkylaluminum reagents show similar behavior, although most are not as volatile as trimethylaluminum. Water or CO2 fire extinguishers must
not be used to put out fires involving trialkylaluminum reagents. Instead, dry chemical powders such as bicarbonate, Met-L-X®, or inert smothering agents such as sand or graphite should be used to extinguish fires involving trialkylaluminum compounds.

Reactivity and Incompatibility Trialkylaluminum reagents are highly reactive reducing and alkylating agents. They react violently with air, water, alcohols, halogenated hydrocarbons, and oxidizing agents. These reagents are often supplied as solutions in hydrocarbon solvents, which are less hazardous than the pure liquids.

Storage and Handling Trialkylaluminum agents should be handled in the laboratory using the "basic prudent practices" described in Chapter 5.C, supplemented by the additional precautions for work with highly flammable (Chapter 5.F) and reactive (Chapter 5.G) substances. Safety glasses, impermeable gloves, and a fire-retardant laboratory coat should be worn at all times when working with these compounds. Trialkylaluminum reagents should be handled only under an inert atmosphere.

Accidents In the event of skin contact, immediately wash with soap and water and remove contaminated clothing. In case of eye contact, promptly wash with copious amounts of water for 15 min (lifting upper and lower lids occasionally) and obtain medical attention. If trialkylaluminum compounds are ingested, obtain medical attention immediately. If any of these compounds are inhaled, move the person to fresh air and seek medical attention at once.

Any spill of trialkylaluminum will likely result in fire. Remove all ignition sources, put out the trialkylaluminum fire with a dry chemical extinguisher, sweep up the resulting solid, place in an appropriate container under an inert atmosphere, and dispose of properly. Respiratory protection may be necessary in the event of a large spill or release in a confined area.

Disposal Excess trialkylaluminum reagents and waste material containing these substances should be placed in an appropriate container under an inert atmosphere, clearly labeled, and handled according to your institution's waste disposal guidelines. Alternately, small quantities of trialkylaluminum reagents can be destroyed in the laboratory by experienced personnel by slow addition of t-butanol to a solution of the reagent in an inert solvent such as toluene under an inert atmosphere such as argon. The resulting mixture should then be placed in an appropriate container, clearly labeled, and handled according to your institution's waste disposal guidelines.

The information in this LCSS has been compiled by a committee of the National Research Council from literature sources and Material Safety Data Sheets and is believed to be accurate as of July 1994. This summary is intended for use by trained laboratory personnel in conjunction with the NRC report Prudent Practices in the Laboratory: Handling and Disposal of Chemicals. This LCSS presents a concise summary of safety information that should be adequate for most laboratory uses of the title substance, but in some cases it may be advisable to consult more comprehensive references. This information should not be used as a guide to the nonlaboratory use of this chemical.


AND JIM .........

NICE TRY AT TRYING TO DECEIVE THE VEIWERS WITH YOUR BULLSHIT INSIDER HOAX COMPLEX.......

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Weapon of Mass Manipulation, WMM, Must be afraid Arianna is going to write a new book

Blah, Blah, Blah...........

[whitemajikman]

Weapon of Mass Manipulation, WMM, Must be afraid Arianna is going to write a new book

Blah, Blah, Blah...........

Afraid?...... not in the least

Your A scam artist and you need to be stopped.

It's that Simple.

WMM

[jayreynolds]

Formula (CH3)3Al
Physical Properties Colorless pyrophoric liquid
bp 125 to 126 °C, mp 15 °C
React explosively with water
Odor Corrosive odor and "taste" may be detectable from trimethylaluminum fires
Vapor Density Not available
Vapor Pressure 12 mmHg at 25 °C
Flash Point -18 °C
Autoignition Temperature Spontaneously ignites in air (even as a frozen solid)
Toxicity Data TLV-TWA (ACGIH) 2 mg (Al)/m 3
Major Hazards Highly reactive, pyrophoric substances; corrosive on contact with skin and eyes.
Toxicity Trimethylaluminum and related alkylaluminum reagents are pyrophoric materials that can react explosively with the moisture in tissues, causing severe burns. The heat of reaction can also ignite the methane gas generated, resulting in thermal burns. Alkylaluminum reagents are corrosive substances, and contact is extremely destructive to the eyes, skin, and mucous membranes. Inhalation of trimethylaluminum and other volatile alkylaluminum compounds may cause severe damage to the respiratory tract and can lead to fatal pulmonary edema.
Flammability and Explosibility Trimethylaluminum is pyrophoric and burns violently on contact with air or water. Other alkylaluminum reagents show similar behavior, although most are not as volatile as trimethylaluminum. Water or CO2 fire extinguishers must
not be used to put out fires involving trialkylaluminum reagents. Instead, dry chemical powders such as bicarbonate, Met-L-X®, or inert smothering agents such as sand or graphite should be used to extinguish fires involving trialkylaluminum compounds.
Reactivity and Incompatibility Trialkylaluminum reagents are highly reactive reducing and alkylating agents. They react violently with air, water, alcohols, halogenated hydrocarbons, and oxidizing agents. These reagents are often supplied as solutions in hydrocarbon solvents, which are less hazardous than the pure liquids.

So, Jim, is your claim now settled in on TMA as being a jet fuel additive able to be reduced to aluminum oxide in combustion?

And if so, show us the mass balance equation for the chemical reaction that takes place, with a yield able to remediate global warming, if that is indeed your claim.

[gaiacomm]

Hi Gaia,

I can see you definitely moving off the fence and well into the realm of a wise and honest person. Refreshing in this realm of the BS artists.

Per your comments:

"I think you might find that the ones that wrote the script are the Neocons and Evangelical Christians that are ignorant of their ignorance which makes them dangerous. "
===
Yes, Gaia, but not all of them are ignorant. The national security system has known for some time all these problems of religion. What makes them dangerous is wanting to cover up so much connected to these items and their greed for money. Persons like Bush and Cheney are highly assocated with the knowledge on these factors that Oak Ridge has long posessed and manipulated for gain.

Dangerous, yes. Yes, they manipulate the ignorant---they seed and breed ignorance. Much like the goings on here. I don't know where this "Allsop's Fables" goober came from, but talk about one of the worst examples of vapid. A regular rock of knowledge there. IMHO. What BS, on read the Bible pushed by Allsop's Fables. He likely can't even figure out the Bible starts with the Torah, and Jesus had problems with Torah and its Pharasee interpretations. I learned to read at 5, memorized Psalms, read the thing a time or two. If Allsops has a learning disabilty and needs to read the thing all the time, he should not think others are so learning impaired. He needs to go read other sources like Talmuds, Egypian culture, alchemy if he is ever going to get any creadibilty round here.

Especially interesting, when "Fables" alledged chemical expertise can't seem to connect tetra ethyl hints to tri-methyl or tri-ethyl metal compounds. Mind like a steel trap there. Hell of an impression he leaves.

Ignorance and religion are extremely dangerous. And we have the blind leading the blind with the Few here.



The boogy man departments (*FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc) are their to just watch and learn.
========
Yes, they are definitely there watching and learning very quickly.
National security is going to be defined in proper fashions, not screwed around by the NeoCons and Evendelics much longer.


Look for the shadow departments that work independent from democracy and freedom for all peoples!
========
Ah Yes, most insightful you are Sir. Very True and this is the Nexus of the problems. We are totally aware of the issues of racketeering mascarading as choir boys, who are a thousand times worse than Meyer Lansky. And the mapping of these persons is well completed. Even right here.



Oh I might ad that Women have equal rights as well and should also be treated with respect...after all they are gifts from God!
=========
Ah Yes, both men and women are the gifts of God. I think it is a matter of perspective for you. I am big on equal rights of men, women, world peace too.

Equality = For every world of criticism against the Jewish religion problems, equality also means the same level of criticism toward the evangelics.

IMHO,
is


Great points! I agree....

[gaiacomm]

So, Jim, is your claim now settled in on TMA as being a jet fuel additive able to be reduced to aluminum oxide in combustion?

And if so, show us the mass balance equation for the chemical reaction that takes place, with a yield able to remediate global warming, if that is indeed your claim.




Blah.....Blah.....Blah........

[Insurrectionchemistry]

"So, Jim, is your claim now settled in on TMA as being a jet fuel additive able to be reduced to aluminum oxide in combustion?"

No, as It was clearly stated that the rocket test using TMA sprayed was one of the ideas for how to get Al metal colloid sized particles into air. Colloid size particles or nano-sized particles is a key concept for chemtrail methods, be they direct spray methods or jet combustion methods.

This is a direct spray method and stated as so. Attempt to connect it to jet fuels methods is you guys typical attempts to screw with things.

Clearly stated is that more advanced compounds are used as the jet fuel additives.


The concept demonstrated by TMA is that of a liquid Al compound, that is used to make atomic sized Al aerosols via a burning like mechanism.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Bush is my shepherd, I shall be in want.
* He maketh me lie down on park benches.
* He leadeth me beside the still factories,
* He restores my doubts about the Republican Party.
* He leadeth me into the paths of unemployment for his cronies' sake.
* Yea, though no weapons of mass destruction have been found, he* maketh me continue to fear evil.
* His tax cuts for the rich and his deficit spending discomfit me.
* He anointeth me with never-ending debt.
* Verily my days of savings and assets are kaput.
* Surely poverty and hard living shall follow me all the days of his administration,
* And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.

[Yaak]

"So, Jim, is your claim now settled in on TMA as being a jet fuel additive able to be reduced to aluminum oxide in combustion?"

No, as It was clearly stated that the rocket test using TMA sprayed was one of the ideas for how to get Al metal colloid sized particles into air. Colloid size particles or nano-sized particles is a key concept for chemtrail methods, be they direct spray methods or jet combustion methods.

This is a direct spray method and stated as so. Attempt to connect it to jet fuels methods is you guys typical attempts to screw with things.

Clearly stated is that more advanced compounds are used as the jet fuel additives.


The concept demonstrated by TMA is that of a liquid Al compound, that is used to make atomic sized Al aerosols via a burning like mechanism.
Wouldn't a contrail containing this compound have a radar signature?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

"Wouldn't a contrail containing this compound have a radar signature?"

Yaak,

Perhaps you either MIS-phrased this or you wanted a trick question. I define "contrails" as the normal condensate from a jet engine that persists only perhaps a minute or so and then "dissolves" back into clear sky. There is not enough water density or persistence to show on a typical RADAR system for contrails. I think the basic answer to your query is a simple NO.

======
Gaia,

IMHO, it is very interesting that I keep seeing all these violations of the "Golden Rule" around here. I am detailed as having homosexual acts with someone all the way over in Greece. (I am going to have a lot more women if that one gets out. I wish the tool were that impressive.)

Even more interesting the level of militancy and the connections to the Talmud type hate language of vilification. Guy won't tell his name. Something to hide? I only see this level of stuff from religion extremists typically.

Then all these questions on have you ever been to Israel and pushing on this anti-Semitic and Jew hate allegations from just speaking the truth on chemtrails and the foundations of the Christian religions. I know of no Jews loyal to the US that act this way.

"Little bird" that keeps an eye on things tells me that I have a real good nose for trouble makers and their associations and I do think we have some interesting Mossad Cell activity here. All this shaping, twisting going on. God awful name calling, labeling, promoting hate.


Israel, and the Tel Aviv's Mossaid, are into this chemtrail stuff and manipulation of areas like New York, with very Democratic voting Jews. They want them converted into Arab haters.

They converted Texas Jews from Democratic to GOP over the JFK coup and pro-Israel LBJ. Texas and Fla. both Jewish GOP. NY--still highly democratic and high intelligence.

Remember all those art students that were Israel spies in the US, and the reporting of these art studies having a high five and clapping for the WTC attacks sitting over in Newark watching 3,000 people die? The US locked up better than a hundred of these rats and deported them.

Israel is really into suppressing these evangelical issues on Christ and all of the connecting up with Jack Van Empe type forecasts on Revelations predictions for nuclear war and the end of Israel and Judaism. Israel's art students also want to suppress these messages from the art of Michalangelo too. Ohh, Moses connected with the Devil. Oh my. The world might see the scamming from Judaic misconceptions.

If the public connects up this environment mess with chemtrails activity and all that adds up to hiding the flaws of Judaism. Can you imagine what would happen is Arianna started putting it all together and reporting it. Or Jack Van Impe, Fallwall and all the rest start telling these momentous connections. Weapon of Mass Manipulation, WMM-Shanon, could not keep any clean underwear for all the constant soiling. Yeah, I know exactly why he calls my ideas dangerous, they are the truth and the truth takes down deceptions.

Christ's return message adds up to the End of Israel and the End of Judaism. All the evengelicals say it. This is why lots of the Jews and Zionists all hate Christ. Ones loyal to the US don't.

IMHO, I do think We know exactly who we're are dealing with here and the exact reasons for all these threats and violations of the "Golden Rule" ideals of God. We have someone here with the looks of an agent counter to US interests.

I dare say ole George won't be able to come to the rescue this time.

Then there is this vile ole Jay character with a very Judaic surname. Hell bent that chemtrails can't be, even though the science easily says they can be. And a name connected to highly polluting aluminum companies on the St Lawrence and with connections to places like Kettering in Ohio. He has worked for water companies that would use alum to settle water and worked for oil companies that use HF for high octain gas production.

What-ya-think? Kinda adds up doesn't it?

Isn't spying and acting as an agent for Israel something that requires registration? Here CARNIVORE, little snoop doggie, we have a job for you to sniff out. Sick-em boy name and location, all communications activity.

IMHO,

is

[whitemajikman]

For Phelps.......

Holy Roman Catholic Church

The institution of the Catholic Church began when the Roman Empire under Emperor Constantine accepted Christianity, and became the Holy Roman Empire. The Church's time of absolute power came when Emperor Charlemagne finally conquered most of Pagan Europe in the 8th Century.

While Europe had been dominated by a Pagan Nature belief system, a Pagan-Christian synthesis existed in the British Isles with Celtic Christianity, where early Gnostic Christian ideas of the Historical Christ had survived following the destruction of the original Christian Church of Jerusalem by the Romans. The teachings of the Church of Jerusalem had made their way to Ireland by way of North Africa and Spain, and with it's emphasis on the Feminine principles of harmony and unity, found a natural home within the Celtic commmunities. With the destruction of Celtic Christianity alongside traditional Paganism at the behest of the Church of Rome, Christianity was finally unified under the might of the Holy Roman Empire with its orthodox teachings largely developed by Saul (St.Paul). Many scholars now believe that this was more uniquely "Paulian" than Christian.

Saul had been a fervent persecutor of Gnostic Jews/Christians, and while he had never actually met Jesus, he claimed to have communicated with Jesus in a vision, and ultimately drew his authority from this "transcendental" encounter. Saul quickly fell out with the original followers of Christ, mainly regarding the role of women within their rituals and practices, but traveled to Rome where he was a key figure in the establishment of the Church of Rome, which became the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today.

Paul was humiliated by the failure of his teachings that the Apocalypse was about to occur and Jesus's return was imminent. As a consequence, he devised the concept of evangalism: Only when the entire world was converted to Christianity would Jesus return.

Seven hundred years later this goal was almost achieved, and the Holy Roman Empire ruled most of the known world. However, schisms soon began to occur within the Holy Empire when the spiritual leaders, the Popes, struggled for ultimate power over the military Emperors, who had always appointed the Popes, claiming their own divine right to rule by hereditary birthright.

With the revival of Gnosticism in Europe in the 12th Century, particularly with the Cathars, the internal schisms finally created a breakdown in the unity of the Empire, ending with the existence of three separate Popes, and one Emperor, all vying for power in different parts of Europe. Stability was finally achieved by the annihilation of Gnosticism throughout Europe by the Inquisition. This forced Gnosticism underground, where it continued to exist in the mystical-military orders that appeared at this time, such as the supposedly ascetic and celebate Knights Templar, who developed what is now Freemasonry. Although the Feminine principles of Gnosticism became blurred by the Masculine pursuits of power and conquest.

The Catholic Church as we see it today, labeled the Gnostic streams Satanic, and perhaps not without good cause. The Dark Side of occultism has many secrets, lies and perversions. With the messianic fervor of St. Paul, the Catholic Church continued its search and destroy mission against "Satanism", Paganism and Shamanism, as we have seen throughout history in the Americas, Africa, and Polynesian Islands. The ensuing Witch Hunts in Europe since the Inquisition claimed perhaps 2 million lives, particularly older women past the age of reproduction, who's only crime was an invaluable knowledge of natural medicine, and a "Sixth Sense" that was perhaps perceived as a direct threat to Rome.

The destructive aspects of the Inquisition effectively "purified" Europe of its traditional Nature cults, beliefs and practices. However, they survived to a certain degree within the Occult underground streams, which ironically were becoming as confused about Gnostic beliefs, rituals and heritage, as the mainstream Church. The creation of the Arthurian myths "seeking that which was lost" are an illustration of this loss.

This complex history as documented in the archives of the Vatican is withheld from public scrutiny. Indeed, these records are officially called the Secret Archives, which by its very definition has a sinister connotation. What could be so secret and potentially damaging that has to be hidden from view forever? Even the CIA must appear to release documents after a period of time.

Vatican insider Father Malachi Martin, a Jesuit priest, highly regarded scholar, speaker of 17 languages, translator of ancient scriptures and books, and close associate of Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Augustin Bea, perhaps revealed these secrets, before his untimely death in 1999. His final publication "Windswept House", describes in frighteningly authentic detail, a Satanic ritual conducted in 1963 in the Vatican's Chapel of St. Paul.

According to Father Martin its purpose was to "Bring about the enthronement of Lucifer. The return of the King of the Earth to his seat of power".

As expected, Father Martin's books are currently causing a stir within the Catholic Church and its members. Not so surprising when he ends his dense 650 page book with the central character's plea to the Pope, "Are you not the last one capable of cleansing the Holy Basilica and the Vatican of any trace of Lucifer's enthronement? That you will leave Lucifer and his in-house Curial agents free to wreak their blasphemous filth on Altar and Tabernacle and priesthood and papacy... You cannot walk away from this papacy knowing you have left that supreme enemy in charge."

The point that Fr. Martin does not understand, is that the very structure of the Vatican that gives the Pope his power, prestige, and historical authority, is intrinsically linked with the Occult societies like the Dragon Court and the Priory of Sion, who have always been there, at one with the goals and aims of the Church itself. Whether the Second Coming is the literal return of their Scion (neo-feudalism/fascism), or the mystical return of Jesus as taught by the mainstream Church, makes little difference to the aims of the present-day structure of the Vatican. To control and hold great political weight across the entire world is the necessary and unified aim of both groups. Thus, there is little point in the Pope attempting to destroy the hidden structures within his Church, which wield most of this power in the political and economic arena.

Perhaps the recently disgraced paedophile priest Fr. Paul Shanley was intimating this when he threatened to release sensitive information about the Church should he be exposed as a paedophile. "Were I to release this to the press, you would have to fire another half dozen of your top priests, since what they are saying is far more shocking than my poor offerings", Fr. Shanley disclosed in a letter to his Cardinal. Indeed, what could be "far more shocking" than paedophilia?

Equally fantastic is the recent charade surrounding the "Messages from the Virgin Mary" and the so called "Third Secret". Yet another example of psychological manipulation through the creation of a Mystery that only a select few know the answer to. This is wholly consistent with Catholicism's mainstream belief structure that deifies Mystery, and celebrates a state of ignorance. Secrecy is the currency of all occult/authoritarian institutions as secret societies testify, but none can come close in terms of power, influence, and the appalling historical legacy of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Today, the Catholic Church shows no signs of easing its historical attitudes towards indigenous peoples and women, and is actively opposing programs that would improve the lives of those in developing countries and women at large. Only now is its legacy of astounding cruelty to children and young people becoming fully known, as abused Catholics worldwide finally find themselves able to speak out, without fear of "divine retribution."

Although it is technically a religion and not a country, the Vatican's self-categorization as a Sovereign State allows it membership of the United Nations. Under international law they have no legal right to such status, and recent attempts to disqualify the Vatican by organizations such as "Catholics For A Free Choice" have been thwarted at the highest levels. Within the UN the Vatican persistently obstructs and prevents measures aimed at providing condom distribution and sex education throughout developing countries to prevent the rising spread of AIDS and unwanted pregnancy. Any directives by the UN to improve the quality of life for women in general are always vehmently opposed by the Vatican, who firmly believe "a woman's place is beneath her husband".

This is wholly consistant with the proclamations of one of the Catholic Church's founding fathers Saint Augustine, who is on record as saying "women are vessels of excrement".


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For Jim Phelps.....

Original Sin

The concept of Original Sin stems from the myth of the separation of Man from God, as described in the story of the Fall from the Garden of Eden. Most cultures have a similar myth to this Judeo-Christian story, and all are an attempt to explain how Humanity became separated from his Divine and Eternal nature.

When Adam and Eve eat from the apple of the Tree of Life, they are beiginning the journey of Understanding and Self-Knowledge. This act is a positive and necessary act, and yet has been perceived by the theology of organized Religion as a negative act, and therefore a Sin.

Holy Roman Catholic theologian Saint Augustine developed these ideas further during the formative years of the Church. In his early years, Saint Augustine had himself been a member of a Gnostic Christian ecstasy cult called Manichaeism that was widespread throughout Europe at this time, and was founded by the prophet Mani in the third century. The teachings of this cult included sexual ritual and ritualized "possession". By the time Augustine switched his allegiences to the Roman Catholic Church, Manichaeism had nearly as many followers as the orthodox Church, and was seen as a very real threat to Rome. Augustine spent his life intellectually attacking and demonizing the ideas and practices that he had once followed.

Central to Augustine's new concepts was the idea of "Original Sin". He argued that Original Sin was a literal and incurable disease that was passed to each child through the very act of sexual intercourse that had conceived the child. Thus, Original Sin was an incurable sexually transmitted disease. However, the Church also claimed to have the invisible cure to this invisible disease. Through the act of Baptism, the first stage of the treatment is applied. The child will be safe if he or she continues to follow Church dogma and partake of its necessary Sacraments, which are a continuation of the treatment. Weekly doses of the "Holy Spirit" through the Mass and Holy Eucharist, as well as regular Confessions of one's current Sins, both literal and imagined, ensure a clean medical record is maintained. Sex must be avoided at all costs as it is the ultimate regression into the state of Original Sin. As women were the "temptresses" of the all-male priests and theologians, they too were seen as dangerous contributors to the spread of Sin and Disease.

This concretization of Original Sin as a literal disease is the root of racism within the Roman Catholic Church. Those who did not accept Baptism and enter the Church were now harborers of a deadly sexually transmitted disease. From this time onwards Jews throughout Europe, who by nature of their culture and religion had not been baptised, were feared and victimized as carriers of Original Sin. During outbreaks of very real disease such as Bubonic Plague, Jews were massacred and burned for having spread the disease.

A similar attitude was taken to Native Americans first encountered in 1492. These unbaptised indigenous people were accused of introducing the sexually transmitted disease syphilis that ravaged Europe until the discovery of penicillin. Indeed, the current scientific belief states that no cases of syphilis had been encountered in Europe up until this time, whereas a single skull of a Native American girl with characteristic jaw-bone deformation is seen as evidence of one born with syphilis. However, the prominent "Pompeii syphilis" case has been largely ignored by the scientific community. The famous volcanically preserved bodies of Pompeii include two victims with prominent pelvic bone deformation, a tell-tale sign of prolonged genital syphilis. It is ironic that it is the Native American population who are blamed for a fatal incarnation of Original Sin, when it was these same people who were the innocent victims of European smallpox, measles, influenza, mumps, scarlet fever, diphtheria and plague, which ultimately claimed as many as 250 million indigenous people in the "New Worlds". As a German missionary testified in 1699 "The Indians die so easily, that the bare look of a Spaniard causes them to give up the ghost".

In fact, syphilis was historically embraced by the Roman Catholic Church as evidence of God's support of their theories of Original Sin. In 1826 Pope Leo XII banned the use of condoms because they prevented "the immoral evildoers from suffering diseases as are the just punishment for their Sin". The current AIDS pandemic has been perceived in a similarly perverse moral way. Pope John Paul II and the Catholic Church continue to outlaw and fervently oppose the use of life-saving condoms throughout the world. Like Baptism's purification of Man's Original Sin, they claim that only they have the invisible cure to this incurable disease. If one joins the Church and accepts their dogma, one will refrain from having sexual intercourse, therefore avoiding the inevitable consequences of God's wrath. Abstinence from sex and sin is the only way not to catch a fatal sexually transmitted disease and die of Original Sin.

If we return to the Garden of Eden and investigate the true meaning of the act of the eating of the apple of knowledge and its consequences, we will see that the sex act is in fact far from being a sin of any kind. Adam and Eve live in a state of innocent perfection within the Divine realm of Unity in the Garden. However, like children they are unconscious of their particular and special individuality as "created by God" and are therefore impotent of their own God-like individual self-expression and creativity. They enjoy the garden but add nothing to it, and are not responsible for it. By eating the apple of knowledge they begin to become aware of their individuality. This starts them on a journey of Self-Discovery through the suffering of loneliness and lack of unity with each other and with God. Through the act of sexual intercourse Adam and Eve are ritualistically re-forming themselves as the unified pair of opposites that they originally perceived themselves to be. Like the journey of the child through to adulthood, as individuality is more deeply perceived and felt as separation, sexual desire is increased.

Thus, the act of sex far from being negative or evil, as perceived by the Roman Catholic Church, is in fact Humanity's most fundamental way of saying "I am lonely and I want to experience you".

This is the only pathway back to the Garden of Eden where individuality and unity are the perfect expression of the Divine.

Ironically, it is known by historians that the Jesuit educated Adolf Hitler was convinced that the slight deformity of his penis (his urethal orifice opened around the back of the gland) was genetically inherited syphilis. In this paranoid delusion he reasoned that his ailment was entirely the fault of unbaptized Jews, who harbored sexually transmitted "Original Sin" in the form of syphilis.

Clearly, the dogmatic teachings of the Roman Catholic Church are leading Humanity away from the Garden of Eden, and into the repressed abyss of loneliness, fear, and insanity.



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Christianity and Racism

The moment that Christianity was adopted by the political power structure of the Roman Empire it stopped being a pacifist Gnostic cult, and became a methodology for control. The racism that was inherent within an empire that thought nothing of enslaving foreign peoples has continued within the Roman Catholic Church right up to the present day.

When the brutal Roman Empire witnessed the courageous martyrdom of the Gnostic Christian cult followers who were tortured and slaughtered in the Roman coliseum, it realized the incredible power of this new mythology. Consequently, using the teachings of Saul/St.Paul the Holy Roman Catholic Church developed a manipulative dogma of the heroism of victimhood that gave the failing Roman Empire a new strength.

When a new people were conquered by the Empire, the new mythology taught them to "turn the other cheek" and accept their suffering in order to be rewarded by a afterlife in Heaven. Yet the Empire itself never accepted these same conditions. Eventually the Holy Roman Empire and its Holy Roman Catholic Church had conquered most of Europe, forcibly converting the Pagan cultures to Paulian Christianity. However, the strength of this form of Christianity lay in the continued suppression of the true Gnostic Christian teachings upon which it was based.

These teachings originally derived from a structured form of Shamanism developed in ancient India, and were merely echoed in Paulian Christianity. Indeed, many scriptures document disagreements between Christ's closest apostle Simon Peter and Saul/St.Paul, who didn't even know Christ, yet claimed to have had a transcendental meeting with Him on the astral plane. The conflict centered on the precise nature of the Last Supper, what should be eaten, and whom exactly it should be shared with. Peter was inclusive, just as Christ was, accepting everyone as a welcome guest. However, Paul insisted on excluding Jews.

This seed of anti-Semitism was expanded upon by the Roman Church bishops who invented the apostle Judas, who was previously unmentioned in the first Gospels. In later approved Gospels Judas became the central figure of betrayal.

Judas by name and description is clearly meant to represent the Jewish race, who have consequently been blamed for the murder of Christ.

In fact, Paulian Christianity has always been based upon separation rather than inclusion. Humanity is separated from God, and as Jesus is dogmatically also God, humanity is separated from Him. The ordinary Christian congregation can only gain access to God through the initiated Priest. This is the opposite to the original Gnostic teachings of the Historical Christ, who showed that Man through Tantric/Shamanic rituals and understanding could access the Divine and "walk with God".

This mystical knowledge inspired the Early Christians in their martyrdom and gave them the power to face the mighty Roman Empire and an awful death. It was clear to the Paulian Roman Church that to maintain its power base through its initiated priests, the true Shamanic teachings of Christ must not be accessed by Humanity.

The destruction of Celtic Christianity, and the horrors of the Inquisition that lasted for six hundred years, clearly illustrates just how far the Roman Catholic Church was prepared to go in order to suppress this knowledge. This Inquisition was directed against Jews, Muslims, Gnostic Christians, and followers of Pagan Nature cults. Acts of violence directed against the Jewish people became a highly commendable religious act. In plague ridden medieval Strasbourg 16,000 were murdered, and in Mainz, Germany, 12,000 were burned alive. In the south of France one million Cathar Gnostic Christians were massacred. Pope Innocent III declared "Kill them all, God knows his own", and as a consequence most of the region was laid to waste.

When Shamanism in its rawest form was confronted in the new worlds of Africa and the Americas, it was important for the Church to stamp out these cultures based upon the similar Spiritual values that the Historical Christ had come to understand. It has recently been estimated by the University of Hawaii's Anthropology Dept. that up to 250 million Ameri-Indians and Polynesians, equal to the population of Europe at that time, lost their lives through slaughter and disease due to "Civilization" and the Church's "Good News" being spread to the New World. Not to mention the millions of Africans who died as a result of Church sanctioned slavery.

As recently as the late 1800's to the beginning of the 20th Century, over half of the population of the Belgian Congo were killed by the brutal imperialism of Belgium's King Leopold II. Forced labor, starvation, village burning, torture and murder claimed over 11 million. The Congo's extensive network of Catholic missionaries remained silent during the slavery and genocide.

If the Truth behind the metaphors of Paulian Roman Catholic dogma were recognized and accessed, their concretization of "the Word" would simply crumble. If the seed ideas of Christ were allowed to merge with Pagan Nature religions, then the original dreams of unity, brotherhood, charity, equality, mutual compassion, and ultimately union with God of early Gnostic Christianity might create a Global Village, instead of a New World Order.

History has proven that the recognition of Christ's original truth must be avoided, whatever the cost.

Pope John Paul II's recent lengthy apology for the above-mentioned crimes against Humanity, while admitting some degree of culpability, will not prevent history from repeating itself, unless he is prepared to show true Christian heroism, and remove the Mask of Evil from the face of the Roman Empire.


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The Holocaust

Knowledge of the 11,000,000 victims of the Nazi Holocaust will surely torment the soul of Humanity throughout its Destiny. Yet this was not the first time that a racial or religious group had been singled out for slaughter.

In fact, throughout Europe's history the Jewish people had been scapegoated and victimized. These attacks were usually inspired by the teachings of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and indeed Germany of the 1930's was still a deeply Catholic country. The Jewish people had historically been blamed for murdering Christ and stories and legends abounded about their collusion with Satan. Reports from the Death Camps reveal the surprise of some Nazi guards when they discovered that the Jews did not have "Satanic horns", which they were taught to be true by their Jesuit school masters.

Coming from a Theosophy and Rosicrucian belief system, Hitler and his Nazi elite attacked the Jews for evolutionary reasons. Certain races were believed to be genetically of a lower consciousness and were holding back the development of Humankind. By choosing to destroy the Semitic race, Hitler created a strange fusion of Catholic and Occult historical dogmas, and unleashed a frenzied hatred in the German people.

For the first time since the close of the first millennium, Hitler unified the aims of the Holy Roman Empire with those of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, who had been at odds due to philosophical conflicts caused by the Gnostic Christian revival of the 12th Century. Now united against a common enemy, the Jews, the deeply Roman Catholic German, Austrian, Hungarian, Italian, and Croatian people and their Rosicrucian secret society ruling elites could look forward to the biblically prophesied 1000 years of peace brought about by the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire, led by its new Messiah. According to Roman Catholic teachings, the world would be purified of the "perfidious Jew" and their "Luciferian consciousness", thus paving the way for the "Second Coming of Christ and His Kingdom upon the Earth".

Similarly, according to Rosicrucian secret dogma, the blood of the world would be purified of the Jewish "sub-race", allowing for the evolution of the Master Race to the consciousness of the Gods.

The Russian Slavs and Negro people of the world were considered to be equally sub-human. Indeed, millions of Slavic people were exterminated during the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Entire villages and their inhabitants were burned during Operation Barbarossa, named after the infamous Holy Roman Emperor of 1152 to 1190. Only the courage and sacrifice of the ordinary men and women of the Allied Forces prevented the "Master Race" from continuing its genocidal agenda on a global scale.

When the Nazis were defeated, many of its high-ranking officers escaped justice with the help of the Vatican. This fact alone exposes the link between the two establishments, but recent disclosures of War Records have revealed exactly how this tie was embodied.

The Nazis who escaped through the "Rat Run" were all Knights of Malta. This secret Catholic military order has its own sovereignty, which allowed the Vatican to issue special passports to the leading Nazis, including Dr. Josef Mengele who tortured and experimented on thousands of children in Auschwitz, and Adolf Eichmann, who personally coordinated and planned the methods of murder - the Death Camps, the Gas Chambers, and forced Death Marches during the freezing Winter months.

The Knights of Malta are initiates of the Rosicrucian and Occult "Secret Doctrine" beliefs of the Holy Roman Empire, which Adolf Hitler and the Nazis not only followed, but almost succeeded in realizing. Comments made to Jews by Extermination Camp commandants such as "This is where Heaven and Earth meet. A crossing point to the other world. But don't worry, you won't be left behind", only confirm their bizarre and trivial perception of life and death, and the metaphysical motive behind the genocide.

Over two thousand other Nazis escaped to the deeply Catholic countries of South America, including Argentina, Paraguay, and Bolivia. Clearly regretting nothing, in 1948 the Catholic Church's Pope Pius XII awarded one of the highest honors of the Knights of Malta, the "Grand Cross of Merit", to leading Nazi General Reinhardt Gehlen who ran the "Gehlen Org", the Nazi military intelligence agency that was said to be even more powerful than the SS. His expertise lay in Eastern Europe and Russia, and Gehlen was no doubt a leading figure in the Nazi's massive invasion of Russia, which was responsible for the extermination of millions of peasant Russians, Slavs and Jews through village burnings, mass executions, and mobile gas chambers. Earlier this year, the American Government officially confirmed that at the end of the war, Gehlen came to America, and worked for the CIA.

The present day Vatican's steadfast refusal to open secret War Archives that may shine new light on their exact involvement with the Nazis and the "Rat Run", can only deepen suspicions of how high the complicity reached.

As we enter the 21st Century, the Vatican continues its masquerade of power and deception, and recent lawsuits against them by Holocaust survivors have led to the Vatican attempting to hide from its past behind the veil of Diplomatic Immunity, particulary in regards to their banking interests and the plundering of Jewish wealth, even despite growing documentary evidence against them.



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Judge fines Conn. priest for $200 million insurance scam


NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) — A federal judge fined a Vatican official $15,000 Thursday but spared him prison time for his role in the insurance scam of disgraced financier Martin Frankel.

Monsignor Emilio Colagiovanni, 84, must pay the fine within 30 days and cannot leave the United States until he does, U.S. District Judge Ellen Bree Burns ruled.

Colagiovanni pleaded guilty two years ago to charges that he falsely vouched for a bogus charity Frankel set up to hide his theft of $200 million from insurance companies in five states.

The priest, who publishes a periodical of canon law for the Roman Catholic Church, said he was "very sorry if anybody has been hurt of my doing."

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His guilty pleas to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering could have meant a five-year prison sentence, but the judge ruled that prison time was not appropriate because of Colagiovanni's age and declining health. He was also given credit for helping federal and state investigators unravel Frankel's scheme.

Colagiovanni is scheduled to be sentenced Monday in Mississippi on state charges related to an attempt to deceive regulators about the source of the money Frankel used to buy an insurance company.

Frankel, from Greenwich, is scheduled to be sentenced next month on guilty pleas of money laundering and conspiracy.

Frankel bought insurance companies in Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma, then stole their assets to finance a wealthy lifestyle that included a two-mansion compound in Greenwich. He was a fugitive for months after the scandal broke in 1999 before he was captured in Germany.

Frankel had formed a bogus Catholic charity, the St. Francis of Assisi Foundation, in 1998, and sought to use it to launder money through a legitimate Vatican charity headed by Colagiovanni, Monitor Ecclesiasticus, to throw insurance regulators off his trail.

Colagiovanni agreed to use Monitor Ecclesiasticus and its Vatican bank account, to handle money from St. Francis and to vouch for Frankel's charity with regulators. In exchange, Colagiovanni was to get $5 million to use on charitable projects. The Vatican denied ever endorsing or cooperating with Frankel's scheme.

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Louisville attorney sues the Vatican
Lawsuit over sex abuse by priests faces hurdles
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By PETER SMITH
and ANDREW WOLFSON
The Courier-Journal


A Louisville attorney filed a federal lawsuit against the Vatican yesterday, accusing leaders of the Roman Catholic Church of orchestrating a cover-up of priests who allegedly molested thousands of American children.

William McMurry — who last year represented 243 victims in reaching a $25.7 million settlement with the Archdiocese of Louisville — filed yesterday's suit on behalf of three men alleging abuse as far back as 1928 in the Louisville area.

McMurry is seeking to have the lawsuit certified as a class-action case, saying in the suit that he believes there are "at least several thousand" victims nationwide.

"This lawsuit is designed to lay the responsibility for all childhood sexual abuse committed by priests in America at the feet of the responsible party, and that's the Vatican," McMurry said in an interview with The Courier-Journal.

Although dioceses in Louisville and elsewhere have paid settlements, he said the "financial responsibility should be shared, if not borne entirely, by the Vatican."

A receptionist at the Vatican embassy in Washington referred questions to the Vatican's press office in Rome, which closed before the suit was filed yesterday morning.

Mark Chopko, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, called McMurry's suit a "long shot" that likely will be dismissed. Chopko also questioned McMurry's decision to sue on behalf of plaintiffs who already settled with dioceses. "They have already had their day in court."

In the suit — filed in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky — McMurry is asking for unspecified monetary damages from the Vatican. He also is requesting injunctions requiring the Vatican to "cease its violations of the internationally recognized human rights of children" and "to report all allegations of childhood sexual abuse" in the United States.

And he is asking a federal judge to supervise the Vatican's conduct for 10 years. The suit was assigned to Judge John G. Heyburn II.

Legal scholars say McMurry will face towering obstacles in what they say is the first class-action suit against the Vatican regarding sexual abuse, and the first sexual-abuse lawsuit to name the Vatican as the sole defendant.

Other lawyers have named the Vatican as a co-defendant with dioceses and religious orders in sexual-abuse lawsuits. Those cases either have been dismissed or are pending.

Even if a court finds that McMurry's clients have a legal standing to sue, it will be hard to prove that the Vatican knew about abuse and failed to act on it, said Boston lawyer Roderick MacLeish Jr., who has represented more than 400 plaintiffs in priest-abuse cases.

"I have reviewed thousands of pages of documents surrendered by the Archdiocese of Boston but haven't seen a scintilla of evidence showing the Vatican knew what was going on," he said.

The Vatican, known legally as the Holy See, occupies a 109-acre enclave of Rome, and it is recognized as a sovereign state with many legal protections.

Suing the Vatican "always makes a good press release, but it's bad law," said the Rev. Thomas Reese, editor of America, a national Catholic magazine. "Nobody has successfully sued the Vatican in any of these cases, and I doubt that this case will get any farther."

Louis Giovino, director of communications for the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, said McMurry is "grandstanding" and "looking to exploit this issue."

"If he's so worried about children, how come he's not investigating (abuse in) schools and other religions ... as opposed to just smashing the Catholic Church?" Giovino said, comparing the suit to blaming "all the Islamic organizations for Sept. 11."

McMurry, who has been studying international law for the past eight months, said foreign nations can be sued in federal court if either their actions or their "commercial" activities in the United States cause injury here. He alleges that church fund-raising constitutes a commercial activity.

In the lawsuit, McMurry said that the Vatican sought "to maintain its aura of infallibility and thereby ensure that its parishioners, followers and financial contributors will not lose faith and fail to contribute money and property" to the church.

But lawyers and legal scholars yesterday predicted that McMurry will have a difficult time making his case in court, or even keeping it there.

"The plaintiffs are basically saying that if the Vatican had told about the abuse instead of covering it up, it would have impeded their ability to raise funds," said Josh Marcus, a Miami lawyer who is chairman of the American Bar Association's international law section. "But that doesn't sound like commercial activity to me."

Rick Kurgis, who teaches international law at Washington & Lee University in Lexington, Va., called McMurry's contention that Vatican fund-raising constitutes a commercial activity "a pretty big stretch."

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/06/05ky/A1-abuse0605-12458.html


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Four go on trial for murder of God's banker

John Hooper and Philip Willan in Rome
Wednesday March 17, 2004
The Guardian

More than 20 years after the death of the banker Roberto Calvi was dismissed as suicide, four people, including a jailed Mafia boss, went on trial yesterday in Rome, charged with his murder.
The case of the man known as "God's banker" remains one the most extraordinary of recent decades - a whodunnit involving the Vatican, Cosa Nostra, rogue freemasons, financiers and politicians.

Only one of the four defendants, Flavio Carboni, was in court to hear the charges. The Sardinian businessman told reporters: "I know as much about Calvi's murder as I do about the killing of Jesus Christ."

Two other people who were with the doomed banker on his final journey, Mr Carboni's then girlfriend, Manuela Kleinszig, and a Rome underworld boss, Ernesto Diotallevi, are also charged with murder.

The convicted Mafia boss, Pippo Calo, followed proceedings over a video link to his prison. According to documents leaked last year, the prosecution will seek to prove that he ordered Calvi murdered, for bungling the laundering of Cosa Nostra's funds and to stop him blackmailing powerful former associates in the Vatican and Italian society.

Two British women are expected to give evidence. One, Odette Jones (nee Morris), 43, from west London, was arrested last year on suspicion of perjury and conspiring to pervert the course of justice. Ms Morris, who is understood to be a relative of Mr Carboni, was questioned about the claim that she provided him with a false alibi. The other was the girlfriend of an Italian antiques dealer who died three months after Calvi. He is thought to have been murdered for threatening to name the banker's killers.

Mr Calvi was chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, which was about to collapse with debts of £800m when he died. Some of the losses were the result of reckless offshore investments in association with the Vatican's bank, the Institute for the Works of Religion.

At the same time, Mr Calvi drew assistance from the maverick P2 masonic lodge. He was found hanging under Blackfriars bridge in London in June 1982. Bricks were found stuffed into his pockets and down the front of his trousers - an apparently symbolic detail that prompted speculation of a masonic link.

Eleven boxes and seven folders stuffed with new evidence were submitted to the court shortly before the start of the trial. A source close to the prosecution said it showed Mr Calvi's involvement in the laundering of treasury bonds stolen by the Mafia in Turin in 1982. The bonds had been passed to Banco Ambrosiano's chairman by Mr Carboni.

The source added that Silvano Vittor, a Trieste-based smuggler who helped organise Mr Calvi's flight to London in the days leading up to Banco Ambrosiano's collapse, had admitted lying to investigators in the past. Mr Vittor now said it was Mr Carboni's decision the group should travel to London rather than Zurich, where Mr Calvi wanted to go.

Mr Vittor was said to have told prosecutors that on the evening Mr Calvi disappeared, the banker left the Chelsea flat in which he was staying along with Mr Carboni. Mr Carboni has denied seeing him that night.

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Vatican drawn into scandal over Nazi-era gold
July 22, 1997
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newly declassified documents in the United States allege that the Vatican served as a postwar repository of Nazi-era gold. But the Vatican quickly denied the allegation.

In what is believed to be the first such evidence of Vatican complicity, a document uncovered by researchers points to 200 million Swiss francs, mostly in gold coins, held for members of the ousted Nazi puppet government of Croatia after the fall of Nazi Germany.

It is estimated that if the 200 million Swiss francs were still held today, it would be valued at about $170 million, plus hundreds of millions more in accumulated interest.

However, on Tuesday the Vatican rejected the accusation. "There is no basis in reality to the report," said Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls.

The spokesman added that the allegations were based on an anonymous source and were of questionable reliability.

TV producers uncover 1946 document
According to the declassified document, dated October 21, 1946, "Approximately 200 million Swiss francs was originally held in the Vatican for safe-keeping." The document is a memo from Treasury agent Emerson Bigelow to his superior.

Other documents establish that Bigelow received reliable information from the American Overseas Special Services, precursor of the CIA, on Nazi wealth held in specific Swiss bank accounts.

The document surfaced after A&E Television producers Stephen Crisman and Gaylen Ross finished a two-hour documentary on Switzerland's handling of Nazi gold during and after the war.

Other researchers have vouched for the document's authenticity. It contained declassification markings dated December 31, 1996.

Memo: Vatican held Nazi puppets' gold
The memo quotes a "reliable source in Italy," apparently a U.S. intelligence source, as saying the Ustasha organization, the Nazi-installed government of Croatia during the war, removed 350 million Swiss francs from Yugoslavia funds it had confiscated.

The memo says 150 million Swiss francs was impounded by British authorities at the Austria-Swiss border and the balance was held in the Vatican.

While stating that as a fact, it says rumors say a considerable portion of the Vatican-held money was sent to Spain and Argentina through the Vatican's "pipeline," but says this might be a "smokescreen to cover the fact that the treasure remains in its original repository" at the Vatican.

Croatia's fascist Ustashas exterminated hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies during the war, in line with Nazi Germany policies of ethnic cleansing and "racial purity."

Historians have denounced the Vatican for its links with the regime led by Ante Pavelic. A Croatian cardinal was convicted by the postwar Croatian communist government of abetting war crimes.

The latest allegations come amid more efforts by Swiss banks to counter accusations of non-cooperation regarding Nazi gold and Holocaust assets in Swiss bank vaults.

Swiss banks to list dormant accounts
The Swiss Bankers Association, meantime, is expected to unveil a long-awaited list of the owners of dormant accounts from before 1945.

The association is scheduled to make the list public on Wednesday. Although no details have been released, the association reportedly plans to publish the list in newspapers around the world.

The list and details of the claims procedure also will be available on the Internet, with the address of the site to be made public at a news conference on Wednesday, an association spokesman said.

Ahead of the news conference, a spokeswoman for the association described the move as unprecedented, and said it was aimed at "ensuring justice for victims of the Holocaust."

After intense international pressure, Switzerland set up two commissions of independent researchers to seek assets left by Holocaust victims and detail the country's role as financial marketplace during World War II.

But as the matching of lost accounts to present-day heirs remains slow, the banks have agreed to a proposal for the public list from the commission seeking lost assets. That body was set up by Swiss banks and the World Jewish Congress, and is headed by former U.S. central bank chief Paul Volcker.

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Must have hit a nerve--spitting stuff out like crazy.
This why you want Christians to come to Israel?
For militant Christian hater Shawn:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487412.html

Christians In Jerusalem Want Jews To Stop Spitting On Them
By Amiram Barkat
Haaretz.com
10-12-4

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a
meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned
to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an
acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy
have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it
but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being
carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre
in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the
brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to
trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from
approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this
sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he
expects the education minister to say something.

"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli
government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they
take harsher measures?" he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry
on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish
dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently,
"as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view
of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are
more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and
Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the
Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire
Purim holiday," he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes
the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva
students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with
disdain.

"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators
denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he
says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in
the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and
their teacher just stood by and watched."

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has
to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said
they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that,
in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special
technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.

[whitemajikman]

Just for Gaia and his Neo-Con pals. Pretty easy to fool the US with low IQ.

http://www.rense.com/general59/iq.jpg


Hey Jew hating Jim.......

This Chart is a bogus chart .....

Why are you using Lies and deceit.......?

This Chart is not genuine.......

And who Would Trust Rense.CON...........unless they are totally going over the edge.......

JIM PHELPS WOULD THATS WHO.......

WMM

[whitemajikman]

.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Mr. Israel agent,

Well interesting Jeff Rense gets dragged in this Jewish muck raking festival. Shawn, you do need to seek some serious professional emotional help and you need to get right with God.

You know I know ole Jeff and I have even done some 5 hours of live radio program interviews for him on topics like Fluorides and Oak Ridge. Nice fellow, Jeff, who gets some 2 million plus web page hits a day. He even carries some of my web page links from time to time. He can really make my page counter spin.

Jeff tells me how all these Jewish types call him all kinds of names and dirty words, kinda like Shawn does on this Forum. Seems Jeff too carries the truth on Zionism and even the information from writers that Shawn would call self-hating Jews. Self-hating Jews are the ones that face the realities on Israel and the world crisis. Israel is forcing issues that will unite Islam, China/NK, and Russia against Israel and the US. The US can't afford to continue this stuff else it is going to fail economically. Supporting armageddon is insane.

Jeff's news links can sometimes be wild, but some of them are right on with observations. Jeff does what the Jewish controlled media won't. Jeff gets the word out on Fluoride problems, on GWI cover ups, and Yes even on the constant problems of Israel and the Zionists.

Jeff also carries all the Carnicom stuff on Chemtrails and boy does that make the Jews nervous and promote words of hate. Jeff even got the story on all the 911 Mossad spies celebrating 911.

Jeff is real good at reporting on the shadow Govt that Gaia speaks about----this is the ones that are racketeers mascarading as little choir boys, who are really little Meyer Lansky's x 1000. Carbon copies of little Shanon's.

Visit Jeff Rense's main page and read around: www.rense.com It is always fun reading.
David Icke out of the UK is also good for an alternative news source.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Mr. Israel agent,

I am one of the first to point out problems with Catholicism here lately. I even point out the problems in the time of Martin Luther and the absolute good ones that Michaelanglo pulled over on the Popes that exposed lots of the ruse. Guess those Holy Men soon figure out that some of the God stuff is not quiet as advertised and get disillusioned. I even know a fella that was abused by a Methodist minister here in Tennessee. That child rape stuff seems to really mess up people, and why I think some parts of Talmud are real bad.

Since you are into these Catholic issues here is something you might like to think deeply about. We all know Mary was the rich little tart that went wild and took up with lowly carpenters and got all pregnant. It comes from the Talmuds.

However, Mary being the rebel she was came up with some truer ideas on Judaic version of Torah on God. The Catholic church took up Mary as the main Icon for the epiphany and the Christian churches her son as the central icon.

Mary needed an image clean up to look good in the books of religion. So, some word games came into play--things that have dual meanings. Things just like the dual meanings from "The Creation" Painting at the Vatican's Sistine.

"Immaculate Conception" just means Pure Idea / Clean Vision, as she had the wiser view on Torah from her connecting up with the Magi for a while. They told her of the dual meanings on how the Torah should be interpreted. Over the years the story of Immaculate Conception, or Pure Idea, got turned into Virgin Mary to conceal her transgressions on morality. Similar distortions happened in the times of the Pharisees about Moses, embellishments, and these twists on meaning even happen today. Some coming from you and your little pals around here.

Mary passed this Clean Vision knowledge on to Jesus, who took up a crusade against the Pharisee and Sanhedon council. Jesus won people over by having the high truth. It was this truth that he used to make his learning the pathway toward God.

Mary was a Jew, and If Mary were around today I would be most highly approving of her and her voracity. I would be hanging out with her crowd. I love Mary and she was a reformed Jew. But you would no doubt hate her.

These are just some of the things one learns about religion in Oak Ridge national security business. Then, when one learns the chemtrail associations to Revelations, that means problems for Israel. If there was some way around it----we would take the higher road. But the only road is one through the center of lay all the truths on the table.

There are only two options on the table. Either the people can live and the religion's lies all die, or the people can continue to live the lie and all die when israel gets blown off the map in a nuclear armageddon. The wise person chooses to save the people. The unwise person, the Fool--Shanon's, chooses to save the religion and sacrifice the people. Now, you tell me which is the Jew hater, Mr Fool Shanon. It appears to be you who is the Satinist, the bearer of armageddon. I have the white hat that loves Jews and all people.

No more games Shawn. The Yellow Brick Road has found its end and we know the dream ends in Kansas. You need to cut the crap or some roads will end in Leavenworth, if you get my rather blunt drift here.

IMHO,

is

[halva]

You know something, I had, to my shame, never realised that the virtues and vices of Jews were a matter so intimately related to the question of climate change.

Have I possibly made a fatal mistake failing to perceive all this?

[whitemajikman]

Since you are bringing up Icke and Rense both at the same time,Let's discuss their Symbiotic relationship, Icke a writer of half-truths ,innuendo,And out right Fantasy whom Has done far more harm to humanity then good, Just as you Jew-Hating Jim and Jeff Rense who makes his living spewing out conspiracy ,Innuendo And Half-Truths.

They work in conjuction With each other ,Jeff sells Icke's books and Icke provides the Hoaxes.

Thats why their is this Legal Disclaimer At Rense.CON.

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You SEE (Jimmy the JEW-HATER) PHELPS..........

Do we really need to discuss Icke's hoaxes,regarding his Annunaki dreams and conspiracy nightmares.


Bottom line ....


You need to seek help......

[Yaak]

Jimbo and Jeffy's IQ by State Chart

"Some pranks are so good they keep working over and over again."

"a phony chart"

"the chart was completely bogus."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp



(Suckers) :rolleyes: :p :lol:

[Yaak]

You know something, I had, to my shame, never realised that the virtues and vices of Jews were a matter so intimately related to the question of climate change.

Have I possibly made a fatal mistake failing to perceive all this?
Have you ever heard of thermo-nuclear war, Wayne?

It's guaranteed to screw up the weather every time.:-(

[Yaak]

These are just some of the things one learns about religion in Oak Ridge national security business. Then, when one learns the chemtrail associations to Revelations, that means problems for Israel. If there was some way around it----we would take the higher road. But the only road is one through the center of lay all the truths on the table.

You are completely full of shit. Do you have a drinking problem?




No more games Shawn. The Yellow Brick Road has found its end and we know the dream ends in Kansas. You need to cut the crap or some roads will end in Leavenworth, if you get my rather blunt drift here.

You are going to send Whitemajikman to Fort Leavenworth?

Shrieks of laughter.....tears rolling down my face.....pounding on the table....Ha! Ha! Ha! ......too much!!!

You are an absolute riot, Jim.



Yup, completely full of shit.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Hi Halva,

"You know something, I had, to my shame, never realised that the virtues and vices of Jews were a matter so intimately related to the question of climate change."
=======
Yes !!! And if you connect these factors up---you will see why these Mossad types are in here monkeying around with religion on the chemtrails Forum. Attempting to noise up the details on Arianna's list so she and others won't begin to connect the dots. Israel knows the Bible narrative's end point on Christ is about their demise, and it is directly connected to the world environment predictions.

Connecting up those factors will show up WMM and his tribe of religious blunderers for the real rats they are toward the full truth.

Once you connect these two dots, you have won the debate against WMM. You can run him right into the ground.

Revelations is all about climate change predictions from pollution. A part of the volcanic sciences of Moses and part of the learning's of Jewish industries of the times.

Who are the polluting titans of industry? Jews have characteristically run the mines and mills, controlled the money and allowed pollution to ramp up to save money. The titan's biggest secret is fluoride releases and this effect on health. Even effects on controlling populations mental awareness.

The Manhattan Project was mostly about Jews working feverously to be able to blow up Hitler. Jews declared war on Hitler for his kicking them out of German Govt. Hitler had to goods on religion, how they became state within a state problems and how religion was mostly word games to make a God useful to man's purposes.

In order to make Israel, the Pope had to give in on its objections to the Jews version of God, and there was huge Jewish pressures on the Pope to allow Israel. Same for Truman.

Oak Ridge has been part of this Jewish system from the beginning. Oak Ridge used the Jewish problems with JFK to kill him and to keep jobs in Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge used the Jewish titans of industry problems with fluorides to hide their own problems with fluoride releases. Oak Ridge even uses this huge Jewish control of the major news networks to cover up any reporting on chemtrails and the real magnitudes or the environment's damage.

If one looks at the visual imagery of chemtrails, seeding all those huge white clouds to reflect IR and cool things down. It is the same visual imagery for the return on the Christ.

I do think you have achieved the better perception on the ultimate truth here, good work.




"Have I possibly made a fatal mistake failing to perceive all this?"
========

Well, hopefully not a fatal mistake. Better late than never though. It is what I have trying to call you attention toward and it appears you are getting there. Once you learn of these connections, it can make the environmental movement much more effective and credible against the Jewish controlled industries and news black outs.

I think you have enough to win the debate on chemtrails, proof of man's causing global warming problems, and the Jews continual deceit and treachery issues involved in the entire mess. Even why we have Mossad types here.

Notice all the list spamming when the words came out on Israel and Mossad, all the sudden looking up of more Spam on Rense and Icke.

Little rascals are trying to muck up that listing and change the subjects suddenly. Are they not?



In the US, the war on Communism is all about letting religion run over the Communist atheist states, who banned religions because of state within a state religion domination of Govt. Hitler and all the Marx-Lennon types, and Castro all recognized this as a problem.

In the US, the war on cancer is really about letting industry pollute wildly to win the war against communism industrially and economically. The War on Cancer is about letting the titans pollute while there are promisses of pharmacy and medicine to keep down the death tolls. The war on cancer is about making the US biological weapons lab Ft. Dietrich into the National Cancer Inst.

The whole shebang is about Jews and false religion concepts running over the truth and using and abusing the poor people. And that is even a component of the end-times forecast. I do think you are about to catch them in the grand lies they have created.

Use it well.

IMHO,

is

[The Shadow]

......and speaking of syntax, Shadow, yours is excellent. I know of only one person on your side of the fence that is able to use English properly; he is a superb communicator. I hope my suspicion is wrong, because I have much respect for that person. There is one other who is as belligerent as you, though.

Keep the baseless insults coming. They amuse me, and I wear them as badges of honor.
Regardless of which “side of the fence” you have decided to place me, Yaakity-yaak, much less whose identity you have assigned to me, the loss of your respect would be quite inconsequential, I assure you. Moreover, with no mention of Mr. Reynolds — the undisputed King of Message Board Bile and Malice —your concerns with the belligerence of anyone else are utterly meaningless.

The fact is that any perceived insults happen to be based upon well-founded observations over time. That you are left feeling amused is not at all surprising. It is just as likely that should you step in dog crap and then track it into a crowded room, you would interpret the resulting stares from others as expressions of admiration.


Jim Phelps,

Your mind and your soul are diseased. I truly pity you in your sadness, loneliness and confusion. Before your soul passes on, I pray that you find love to displace the hate that fills you.

Sincerely,
Ed Snell
Eddie, you appear to be a real expert on the subject of seething hatred from within. Your time might be better spent concentrating on your own ultimate fate. You are only fooling yourself with your incessant self-adulation. It has become a bore, as the smug self-righteousness in your sermons belongs on the sidewalk of some urban center, where people know enough to just walk around you in disgust.

The Shadow knows...

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Interesting that we have a noisy Texan about, who appears to have trouble formulating questions. He has an excuse being from polluted Texas, formally run by Bush-43. I do think you might make a good example for mind fog difficulties.

I do think I qualified the Rense stuff well in saying:

"Jeff's news links can sometimes be wild, but some of them are right on with observations. Jeff does what the Jewish controlled media won't."

Did you miss that? Guess so, I hear low IQ does that to people. It is also why they have no problems being unquestingly lead by Bush.

Like I said some of the Rense stuff can be wild, and I certain don't believe the stuff on aliens as I know where the real stories lie. I do believe the stuff on silent aircraft, as I know how those systems work. I even contributed lots of ideas to Area 51 to keep them in business.

While there can be questions on the particular chart, there is no question that Bush is using religion and the false concepts in religion to promote wars on Arabs and enrich his pocket book. There is no question of Bush's Zionist support and hate of Arabs either. There is zero question that church goers are GOP dominated. GOP are the dumb follower types that ask no questions, nor think deeply enough to be called intellectual. Other studies do show the GOP/Church goer IQ to be rather low.

IMHO,

is

PS, For further reading try this:

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/08/02ky/A1-god0802-11167.html

Frequent worshippers tend to cast GOP vote
Statistics reveal religion's impact

By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal

People who attend worship services most often tend to favor Republicans when it's time to cast ballots. The less they worship, the more they vote Democratic.

Statistics - gleaned from national and Kentucky surveys and from exit-poll data from previous elections - show the importance of religious commitment and not just affiliation in voting, experts say.

But the picture is more complex in the current presidential campaign, which last week featured assertions by some speakers at the Democratic National Convention, including presidential nominee John Kerry, that they are people of faith.

Even among people who frequently attend church, Catholics are more evenly divided and African Americans largely are behind Kerry. (Statistics on frequent attendees among smaller religious groups, such as Jews and Muslims, are not readily available.)

And many church-going Protestants object to what they see as a Republican effort to corner the market on religious values. "Our faith has been stolen and it's time to take it back," evangelical activist Jim Wallis said at a Democratic convention forum in Boston last week.

But an overall trend remains that on Sunday mornings, President Bush's constituency is more likely to be in church than Sen. Kerry's.

"I don't know how you could look at those (poll) numbers and not see a significant God gap," said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life in Washington.

In the 2004 campaign, the religion factor is "more important than gender, age, socio-economic (status), education," he said. "This is a very, very important component of the way people self-identify politically."

That gap is reflected in the views of Kentuckians responding to a Courier-Journal Bluegrass Poll in May and who agreed to follow-up interviews.

Chad Haverly, a Hikes Point artist, said he feels Bush is leaving out many Americans when he endorses government funding of faith-based institutions and uses the language of his evangelical Christian faith.

"I believe there should be a clear distinction between church and state," said Haverly, who expects to support Kerry and who does not practice any religion. Bush "favors obviously Christian organizations over other nonprofits. Just the remarks and the things he's said doesn't seem to fit with me."

They fit perfectly, however, for Stephanie Ballard of Willisburg.

"I feel the Lord is leading this man and I will vote for him again," said the born-again Christian, who attends her Southern Baptist church weekly. Ballard applauds Bush for going to war in Iraq, opposing same-sex marriage and trying to keep religion in public life.

"This country has been away from God so long," she said. "You take the prayer out of schools, the guns walk in. You take the Ten Commandments out of schools, the violence goes in."

Trend on the rise

The trend has been growing.

In 2002, 60 percent of frequent church-goers voted Republican in elections for the House of Representatives, up steadily from 53 percent in 1992, according to a University of Akron analysis of exit polls conducted by Voter News Service.

Frequent attendees voted for Bush over Al Gore by 63 percent to 36 percent in 2000, while Gore won by almost the same margin among those who seldom or never worship, according to an analysis of exit polls by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. The center reported similar numbers in the Bush-Kerry race in polls of 2,891 registered voters in May and June. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus two percentage points.

snipped

==

Stupid people love Bush
New study shows correlation between decline of IQ and rise of GOP
by Will Durst

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.

The consensus: the higher the IQ, the less people trust Bush and respect the job his administration has done. The lower the IQ, the more people admire his steadfastness. "It was pretty much a slam dunk. There's no nice way to say this. Dumb people like him. They think his unwavering nature is a positive personality trait. They even venerate him for never admitting mistakes, even when he's wrong. On the other hand, smart people think he's a lying bully. I mean, c'mon, you have a deserter accusing a decorated veteran of treason. Who's going to buy that besides stupid people?"

Preliminary results:
IQ Above 140: Kerry 80%, Bush 20%.
120-140: Kerry 65%, Bush 35%.
100-120: Kerry 54%, Bush 46%.
80-100: Bush 54%, Kerry 46%.
60-80: Bush 60%, Kerry 15%, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 25%.

Apparently Bush's good-evil, black-white philosophy resonates on an inverse relationship with higher education, whereas it became evident over the period of analysis that John Kerry's nuanced arguments are only understood by people who paid attention in any class above the 5th grade.

Doctor Friend elaborated: "It has to do with intellectual curiosity. Folks see Bush in front of a stream talking about the environment and they assume he's in favor of it, even though if you read his legislation, I'd be surprised to hear him endorse shade. This also explains why Bush gets away with pretending he doesn't know how the Senate works, allowing him to call Kerry a flip-flopper."

Friend released evidence that this type of disconnect exists across the board: education, foreign policy, the economy, post 9-11 security response and State Dinner entertainment choices. Also discovered was a direct correlation between the number of preset Country Western stations on car radios and Bush's approval rating. Dr. Friend attributes this phenomena to the simplicity inherent in the messages indigenous to both. Classical music listeners were preponderantly Kerry supporters, but surprisingly, on heavy metal, the two split down the middle.

Spotting a trend, Friend cautioned, "Because of the deterioration in public education, larger and larger segments of the population are creeping downward IQ-wise, cementing the hold Republicans have on the electorate." However, if the election were held today, Bush would hold a lead of 52-48 in the popular vote, but would be virtually tied in the Electoral College, which Bush supporters argue against because the word College angers them. When contacted, a Kerry spokesman just chuckled. No Bush spokesperson was made available for comment. It was also found that Ralph Nader supporters were the brightest of all political proponents tested, but Dr. Friend dismissed them as "too smart for their own good."

In a related study, smart people prefer baseball because the pace is such that there is time to read.

==

Other interesting reading:

http://bible-truths.com/tithing.html

http://www.gainesvillehumanists.org/chrchtax.htm

==

http://www.progressive.org/feb03/comm0203.html
Bush's Messiah Complex

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader03172003.html
Messianic Militarism at the White House
Bush Snubs Civic Leaders
By RALPH NADER

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Since we are into the Rense articles. JFK protected the little guy and the environment. Oak Ridge and the Jews hated JFK. I do think this one is real close. It hits home rather hard about the Jewish dominated money system, Rothchilds and the Fed Res., being involved in the overthrow of the US Govt.:

http://rense.com/general59/whythebankerskilledJK.htm

Why The Bankers Killed John Kennedy
11-6-5

John F. Kennedy was far from perfect, in his personal life, or in some of the
decisions he made as president. However, unlike most presidents, he had some
good ideas, and he had plans to enact them.

For example, he had plans to abolish the unconstitutional Federal Reserve
system, which prints worthless money backed by nothing, and charges interest on
it, making us a debtor nation.

He wanted to use United States Notes, and he signed a presidential document,
called Executive Order 11110, on June 4, 1963. This gave JFK, as U.S.
President, legal clearance to create true money, that would belong to the people, and
eliminate the criminal Federal Reserve Bank, and their false money.

Kennedy had already begun issuing U.S. government money that was free of debt
to replace the Federal Reserve dollars we have been using. A number of
"Kennedy bills" were indeed issued - with the heading "United States Note", instead
of "Federal Reserve Note" - but were quickly withdrawn after Kennedy's death.

Records show that Kennedy issued $4,292,893,825 of true money. It was
perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to eliminate the criminal Federal Reserve
System. It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's
assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of
circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed. And not
a word was said to the American people.

He planned to abolish the CIA's right to conduct covert operations, and
eventually dismantle it. In 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented Kennedy with
Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods would have had our own government
inflicting terrorist attacks upon US citizens, and blaming it on our enemies,
to justify wars and political assassinations. (This was 40 years before 9-11!).
Kennedy rejected it. This is what planted the seeds of the CIA's
assassination of Kennedy. The same assassins the CIA planned to use against Cuban
president Fidel Castro, including E.Howard Hunt, and Frank Sturgis, were brought to
Dealy plaza in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a riddle wrapped in an enigma shrouded in mystery if
ever there was one. Evidence of varying reliability has linked Oswald to
virtually every group that had a reason to want Kennedy dead. In the years before
Kennedy's death, Oswald worked as a radar operator at U-2 spy plane bases,
defected to the Soviet Union and married the niece of a KGB colonel. On returning to
the US, Oswald propagandized for Castro's Cuba out of a New Orleans building
he shared with an ex--FBI agent trying to overthrow Castro. In the fall of
1963, Oswald moved to Dallas where he had FBI contacts, got a job in a Texas Book
Depository and was accused of killing the president. Questions abound. How
did such a singular man just happen to get a job working at one of the best
sniping points in Dallas, through which the President's open car motorcade just
happened to pass?

The Dallas Morning News for November 22 contained a map of the route
President Kennedy's motorcade would take through the city that day. According to the
map, the President was supposed to stay on Main Street while passing through
Dealey Plaza, and would not have passed the Book Depository. In fact, the
motorcade turned from Main onto Houston and then to Elm Street. This unplanned sharp
turn not only brought the President into his assassin's sights, it also
forced his car to slow down to ten miles per hour. A change in a parade route
through such a large city would have required the acquiescence of the city police
and government. The Mayor of Dallas, Earle Cabell, presumably signed off on the
change.

Meanwhile, in the book depository, around 12:15, on her way out of the
building to see the motorcade, secretary Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the second
floor snack room, where she said he went for a Coke. He was sitting in one of the
booths on the right hand side of the room. He was alone, as usual, and
appeared to be having lunch. She testified: "I did not speak to him, but I
recognized him clearly. I remember it was 12:15 or later. It could have been 12:25,
five minutes before the assassination, I don't exactly remember. I was pregnant
and I had a craving for a glass of water." At the same time, Bonnie Ray
Williams is eating his chicken lunch on the sixth floor, at least until 12:15, maybe
12:20, he sees nobody. Down on the street, Arnold Rowland saw two men in the
sixth floor windows, presumably after Bonnie Ray Williams finished his lunch
and left.

Kennedy was running five minutes late for his appointment with death. He was
due at the Trade Mart at 12:25. If Oswald was the assassin, he was certainly
pretty nonchalant about getting himself into position. Later he told Dallas
police he was standing in the second floor snackroom. A maximum 90 seconds after
Kennedy is shot, patrolman Marrion Baker runs into Oswald in that second story
lunchroom. He asked Oswald's boss, "Do you know this man? Is he an employee?"
He told Baker that he was. As Baker moved on, he told Oswald, "The
President's been shot!" Oswald reacted as if he had heard it for the first time.

snipped---more on URL

[The Shadow]

Mr. Allslop, using only science, prove the existence of God.

Why would I want to do that? That's kind of like saying "using only a rock, prove that flowers exist". Science deals only with the natural physical universe. By definition, God is neither natural nor physical. Science, by defnition, cannot deal with the non-physical and the supernatural.

However, having said that, before now I have done a pretty passable job of proving the existance of Jesus with logic, reasoning, and common sense. Would that be good enough? Would you believe if I did?
I can understand your reluctance, as there does appear to be evidence of confusion and inconsistency in your attempt to explain your position, Mr. Allslop. Science is a tool as well as a process. A rock is purely a physical object. You certainly do have things neatly separated and defined in a convenient manner with which to push your product. You unquestionably have convinced yourself that you are an authority who speaks for all of creation. No doubt it is divine inspiration that guides your every keystroke. On the other hand, the pride and arrogance with which you write is anything but Christ-like. It is one thing for you to present your case and to let independent observers decide its validity. It is quite another for you to ram it down their throats as indisputable fact. I see no difference between the methods you employ and those of radical chemtrail proponents.

As I understand it, science is generally accepted to be man’s attempt to describe the universe, as a whole, through what is not only observable, but also experienced. With that in mind, science can very well deal with the incorporeal. It largely depends upon the intelligence of the onlooker. It would indeed be entertaining to witness you argue theoretical physics with the likes of Michio Kaku. I would expect a lowbrow, such as you, to accuse Dannion Brinkley of being a fraud. Humility does not appear to be one of your problems.

The Shadow knows...

[Insurrectionchemistry]

This little Rense article isn't too shabby either. As best I can tell, foreign agents or powers that collaborate or act to conceil the overthrow of the US Govt. or their agents that seek to engage in deceit and treachery to maintain the lies, can be tossed in prison. That will include Mossad or Mossad associated persons.

I have spoken with Mike Piper and told him the missing piece on the Jewish puzzle connecting Oak Ridge and their buddy with Jacob Rubenstein.

JFK knew the Issues of Camelot---the equality of the Round Table--the message from Mary-- and the higher visions on religion, he protected the environment from the crazy Jewish polluters. And the economy from economic domination by Jewish based Bankers.

is

http://www.rense.com/general42/enemies.htm

More Evidence Mossad Killed JFK Over Israeli Nukes
The Missing Link In The JFK Assassination Conspiracy
From John
9-28-3

Final Judgement Reviewed by Mark Braver

There seems to be a lot of misperception of what Final Judgment does and does
not say about the JFK assassination. The book does not say that "the Jews
killed JFK." That's horse manure.

What the book does say is that: When New Orleans District Attorney Jim
Garrison charged businessman Clay Shaw with participation in the JFK assassination
conspiracy Garrison stumbled upon the Israeli Mossad connection to the murder
of President Kennedy. Shaw served on the board of a shadowy corporation known
as Permindex. A primary shareholder in Permindex was the Banque De Credit
International of Geneva, founded by Tibor Rosenbaum, an arms procurer and financier
for the Mossad.

What's more, the Mossad-sponsored Swiss bank was the chief "money laundry"
for Meyer Lansky, the head of the international crime syndicate and an Israeli
loyalist whose operations meshed closely on many fronts with the American CIA.

The chairman of Permindex was Louis M. Bloomfield of Montreal, a key figure
in the Israeli lobby and an operative of the Bronfman family of Canada,
long-time Lansky associates and among Israel's primary international patrons.

In the pages of "Final Judgment" the Israeli connection to the JFK
assassination is explored in frightening--and fully documented--detail. For example, did
you know:

* That JFK was engaged in a bitter secret conflict with Israel over U.S. East
policy and that Israel's prime minister resigned in disgust, saying JFK's
stance threatened Israel's very survival?

* That JFK's successor, Lyndon Johnson, immediately reversed America's policy
toward Israel?

* That the top Mafia figures often alleged to be behind the JFK assassination
were only front men for Meyer Lansky?

* That the CIA's liaison to the Mossad, James Angleton, was a prime mover
behind the cover-up of the JFK assassination?

Why didn't Oliver Stone, in his famous movie "JFK" not mention any of this?
It turns out the chief financial backer of Stone's film was longtime Mossad
figure, Arnon Milchan, Israel's biggest arms dealer.

The very fact that the Israeli lobby has gone through such great lengths to
try to smear Michael Collins Piper and to try to discredit Final Judgment gives
the book great credibility. If the book was really so silly or so
unconvincing, it doesn't seem likely that groups such as the Anti-Defamation League would
go out of their way to try to suppress the book as they have.

The fact is that Piper demonstrates that Israel did indeed have a very strong
motive to want to get JFK out of the way and that numerous people who have
been linked in other writings to the JFK conspiracy were (as Piper documents)
also in the sphere of influence of Israel's Mossad. Not only Clay Shaw in New
Orleans, but also James Angleton at the CIA, who was Israel's strongest advocate
at the CIA and also the CIA's liaison to the Mossad. The Israeli connection
is indeed "the missing link in the JFK assassination conspiracy."

The "Reader from Chicago" who wrote the review of Final Judgment posted here
is really off the beam and I suspect he (or she) is deliberately distorting
what Piper's book does say in order to try to discourage people from reading it.

The fact is that Piper's book documents (quite clearly, in my estimation) not
only the means, opportunity and the motive for Israeli Mossad involvement in
the assassination (working in conjunction with the CIA), but it is also quite
fascinating and very interesting read. "Boring" is the last word I'd use to
describe the book, and it is certainly not "poorly written."

What's more, the book is not--I repeat--not "anti-Semitic" and the book has
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of the Holocaust. In fact,
anybody familiar with any of the standard writings on the JFK assassination
will recognize the names of some of the key players in the scenario Piper
documents: Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, Guy Banister and James J. Angleton of the
CIA--and none of them were Jewish. So where this reviewer gets off saying that
Piper finds "a Jew under every rock" is beyond me. I have read literally hundreds
of books and magazine articles and other material on the JFK assassination and
not in a single one of them--with the exception of Final Judgment--did I ever
learn that President John F. Kennedy was trying to stop Israel from building
the nuclear bomb and that this literally touched off a "secret war" behind the
scenes between JFK and Israel's prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, who
resigned (among other reasons) in disgust over JFK's policies with Israel. In fact,
Israeli historian Avner Cohen in his book, Israel and the Bomb, documents this
quite thoroughly.

And in Final Judgment Piper also outlines some interesting Israeli
connections by people who have been linked to the JFK assassination and cover-up,
including Clay Shaw of New Orleans. Even Israeli journalist Barry Chamish has
written in an Internet review of Final Judgment that he finds Piper's Israeli
connection (via Shaw and Permindex) quite convincing.

There was a controversy in the Chicago area following an attempt by the
Anti-Defamation League (an Israeli lobby organization) and people associated with
the ADL to prevent Final Judgment from being placed in the Schaumburg Township
District Library. Chances are the Reader from Chicago is probably an ADL
representative! --This text refers to the Unknown Binding edition.

__________


JFK's Concern Over Israel's Nuclear Bomb Program

JFK's Letter To Israeli PM Eshkol July 5, 1963

Dear Mr. Prime Minister (Eshkol),

It gives me great personal pleasure to extend congratulations as you assume
your responsibilities as Prime Minister of Israel. You have our friendship and
best wishes in your new tasks. It is on one of these that I am writing you at
this time.

You are aware, I am sure, of the exchange which I had with Prime Minister
Ben-Gurion concerning American visits (ie: inspections -ed) to Israel's nuclear
facility at Dimona. Most recently, the Prime Minister wrote to me on May 27.
His words reflected a most intense personal consideration of a problem that I
know is not easy for your Government, as it is not for mine. We welcomed the
former Prime Minister's strong reaffirmation that Dimona will be devoted
exclusively to peaceful purposes and the reaffirmation also of Israel's willingness to
permit periodic visits (ie: inspections -ed) to Dimona.

I regret having to add to your burdens so soon after your assumption of
office, but I feel the crucial importance of this problem necessitates my taking up
with you at this early date certain further considerations, arising out of
Mr. Ben-Gurion's May 27 letter, as to the nature and scheduling of such visits.

I am sure you will agree that these visits should be as nearly as possible in
accord with international standards, thereby resolving all doubts as to the
peaceful intent of the Dimona project. As I wrote Mr. Ben-Gurion, this
Government's commitment to and support of Israel could be seriously jeopardized if it
should be thought that we were unable to obtain reliable information on a
subject as vital to the peace as the question of Israel's effort in the nuclear
field.

Therefore, I asked our scientists to review the alternative schedules of
visits we and you had proposed. If Israel's purposes are to be clear beyond
reasonable doubt, I believe that the schedule which would best serve our common
purposes would be a visit early this summer, another visit in June 1964, and
thereafter at intervals of six months. I am sure that such a schedule should not
cause you any more difficulty than that which Mr. Ben-Gurion proposed in his May
27 letter. It would be essential, and I understand that Mr. Ben-Gurion's
letter was in accord with this, that our scientist have access to all areas of the
Dimona site and to any related part of the complex, such as fuel fabrication
facilities or plutonium separation plant, and that sufficient time to be
allotted for a thorough examination.

Knowing that you fully appreciate the truly vital significance of this matter
to the future well-being of Israel, to the United States, and
internationally, I am sure our carefully considered request will have your most sympathetic
attention.

Sincerely,
John F. Kennedy

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/toc.htm

[The Shadow]

You have Some Nerve Asking for Stuart to explain anything to you..........

I recently tried To register at your site........

I got told my application got denied..........

Do you have any thing to say on this matter......?

Besides that your afraid of any opinion that is in direct conflict of your own........

And hide ..........

Shadow Can you prove that God Doesn't Exist Using Science..........?

Come on Big Mouth........

Give it your best shot........

WMM
whitemajikmarker, you have some nerve posing as anything besides the blithering idiot that you obviously are. I do not have a web site, much less a message board. You are a bumbling inept fool whose power of deduction is absolutely nonexistent. In any case, I suspect that you have grown quite accustomed to being denied everything anywhere you turn.

Just keep your performances coming. Viewers to this thread are indeed getting a real eyeful from you self-proclaimed voices of science and reason. So far, by your very demeanor, you have not shown yourselves to be the least bit superior to the worst of chemmies. You goons have left your own credibility swimming in a cesspool teeming with your own waste.

The Shadow has seen enough to know...

[halva]

The posting on JFK and Israel's nuclear weapons is interesting.

Tell me, Jim, why did the Brits send the known Communist Klaus Fuchs to Los Alamos to spy on the atom bomb programme and pass secrets onto the Soviets, and why wasn't he detected until it became politically convenient to detect him for the purpose of launching a scare campaign and drumming up enthusiasm for the H-bomb?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Shadow,

"White-magic-maker"----excellent. May I borrow that one?

You do know how to send a venom spitting Jew back into his snake hole, don't you?

Hold up one of these:

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+ + + + +
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It is an Icon that works on nearly anything considered blood sucking or evil. Send the little devils crawing on their bellies right back down to the God of the Underground, Satin Himself.

That little item counters all the mojo from those Moses snake staffs. Snake worship is supposed to be illegal isn't it?

These extremists all hate Christ. Israel won't let evangelists work the country. You kinda notice there are two Gods involved when you take note the Jews can sell their BS over here but the Christ types can sell their religion in Israel. Intersting ah.

IMHO,
is (if ever there is an iz there is---the wonderful wizard of is)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva,

Think on this some. You know the connection to Yale and the Bonesman Tomb types of Bush. Nice little satanic fraternity that worships WAR and really worships of the economic domination methods of the Rothchild banking system. The Bush and the Rothchilds are both dynasties. Both dynasties that hated JFK.

You know Bush and then Kerry, the lesser evil Boneman. The country seems to have chosen the maximum evil person with some likely voting maching tampering and voter fraud methods in use. Israel likes the maximum evil type and the easily dupped GOP church goes do too.

You know the history of the US Civil War was really all about the fear of the Rothchilds of the US industrial might. They wanted to control it. So, the Jews supported slavery in the South and let a war outbreak. Then the Rothchilds supported the war economically on both sides. So, when all was done, the Rothchilds owned a big chunk of the US.

This is the economic model that big economic school places like Yale know about, and the top of the pile in worshiping that model for gain using war is these Bonesmen. Persons like Bush that like to make war to make money. Persons that know how to manipulate religion and Jews factors for immense profit and power.

The Rothchilds were successful in controlling most of Europe and became successfull in getting a piece of the US over the Civil war treachery. It did not end there, as on Jekyll Island the Rockefellers joined the Rothchild banking club in creating the Federal Reserve Bank. This gave the Jewish Rothchilds even more leverage over the US economy. Even one of the Rothchilds is infamous for stating that give us control of the countries money and we care not who is elected for we shall control it.


So, the very roots of the Demonic world of the Yale Bonesman club is rooted in this Jewish control mess. Today, Bush is writing his own version in building up the Rothchild Reserve in driving up the US national debt to unprecidented levels.

The Rothchilds are of Jewish origin and they make great profits from keeping the Jewish peoples dumb. Rothchilds know that where ever this Jewish religion invades a country there is going to either be a war or something as the outcome. And they set back and wait for opportunities.

The current opportunities are in making Arabs into terrorists and blowing up half of Iraq, and watching their money coffers overflow with interest.

IMHO,
IS

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva,

Surely you can see what the game is once you know the Bones Tombs-man code of ethics and the Rothchild model for success. War.

The cold war was very profitable for these dynastic types, Bush, Rothchilds, etc. Fuchs was just one of the pawns in a big game of global chess.

Fuchs---because countries are not run by elected officials. And profits and control are gained by fear mongering bankers of the Rothchild dynasty.

Lots of profits to be made from the differences between Russia and the US/UK/Europe. Communist Russia happened when the Jewish Communists killed the Czars and took over. These Communists Jews knew the problems with both religion causing state within state problems, so they banned this from happening. They challeged the religion control system and money lenders and made the country athiest.

So, the whole cold war mess is really a battle of religion control vs no religion domination of power. An issue of is there a God or was God created for man's purpose.

The Jews, nor the Rothchilds, want the people of the world to see that God was really an invention of man's uses. And the second meaning of The Creation Painting at the Sistine really the truth behind the secrets of the Bones tomb and evil worship.

It is all about power and wealth gained from continual unrest. A system cultivated and fed upon by dynastic wealth. Bushes, Rothchilds, Rockefellers.

You know the mythology of the Pheonix, the evil black bird that always rises from the ashes of war. This myth is all too real for these types.

When the people of the US and the world see the greater gaming going on and that their elected officials jump to the Rothchild money chain and not them. They will see that for some time their Constitution Rights have been stolen from them. And that is the ultimate Evil.

IMHO,
is

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It is all about power and wealth gained from continual unrest. A system cultivated and fed upon by dynastic wealth. Bushes, Rothchilds, Rockefellers.

The catharsis of War and Peace lies right there.



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Cut this cross out for the ultimate protection from Evil and carry it with you to all Environmental Meetings world-wide. It is why the Jews (and radical right extremists like GOP-Bush) hate Jim Phelps.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Wayne, I hope you are happy with your buddy "Jim Phelps". He seems to be making stuff up as he goes along. first he claimed to ahve invented chemtrails and haarp, but when tough questions get asked he starts backpedalling and can't really answer. When asked direct questions, he started changing his story and now is saying that rockets are spraying TMA at fifty miles high to combat global warming!

What a flake, Jim Phelps makes you and Deborah look like a bunch of fools indeed!

His racist commentary thoroughly debunks Chem11's contention that this sort of hate isn't involved with the chem-cult.

And it sems you won't ever get Jim to bow down at your feet and shut up, will he?

Tough luck, Wayne. You lost again.

[gaiacomm]

The Cut and paste award should go to someone here!

It is a public fact that I am a Neocon and a supporter of a one-world system. And after all there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop the plans already in affect unless you are directly involved in the process. You are just numbers on a computer! There is nothing you can do accept play here and pretend. You have no more power than in your piss stream and no rights only what has been given to you all, period. You will obey the direct laws, or be subject to punishment, you accept whatever is told to you and only be allowed to go so far. You are on a long chain that is slowly being pulled in.

[gaiacomm]

FYI:
http://www.americans-world.org/index.cfm

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Greetings Forum,

It appears that shades of Germany's Reistag Fire (Govt. House Fire) are being promoted against Christian Churches in Hate Crime connected threats.

Presbyterian Churches are pulling investments from Israel over their Zionist Extremes toward Arabs. Now the Zionists are making hate crime threats against the churches and threating to burn them down.

Sounds a lot like the threats going on here from what appears an Agent for Israel. Is this the kinds of persons we are really dealing with on this Forum?

IMHO,
is


http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=293100
911

Presbyterian Churches hire private guards after threats

First Presbyterian Church
of Dubuque

Rev Lionel Cadwick holds up threatening letter

Summary

The Presbyterian Church has taken a stand over Israel’s brutal policy of
occupation and mass murder. The church is divesting itself of all investments in
Israel – recommending it’s parishioners follow suite. Tales of Jewish
brutality from IDF snipers to unbalanced settlers hitting children with cars is
discussed openly from the pulpit and Jewish people are mad.

Letters threatening violence have been received.



Article

Arsonist ''Promises Violence'' Against Presbyterian Church over Divestment
Policy

The PC(USA) received a letter ‘replete with a swastika’ that threatened to
burn down Presbyterian churches, unless the denomination changes its divestment
policy by Nov. 15

The heated debate on the Presbyterian Church (USA)’s decision to divest from
companies profiting from the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza may
turn into fire – literally. On Friday, Nov. 12, the PCUSA reported that an
anonymous writer sent a letter form Queens, NY, threatening to burn down
Presbyterian churches in retaliation for “your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish
attitudes.”



“I promise violence against Presbyterian Churches — They will go up in
flames, bet your ass that’s a terrorist threat,” the letter stated.

Officials at the Presbyterian Church headquarter in Louisville, where the
letter was sent, notified federal authorities of the threat both in Kentucky and
in New York.

Reverend Christine DeKalb



“ We have notified various churches with high populations of Jewish neighbors
to be especially alert. Our efforts to engage the Bani B’rith have been meet
with silence “


Bernie Lutzel of Bani B'rith



" I feel that this is nothing more than a publicity stunt and I doubt any
Jewish people are invovled "



Meanwhile, the PCUSA head Clifton Kirkpatrick immediately informed PC(USA)
officials in New York of the threat and offered several safety precautions for
churches in the area.

“Though the threat appeared to have come from New York, we can’t be sure, so
we’ve contacted them (governing bodies) all,” said Gradye Parsons, director
of operations for the Office of the General Assembly. “Their (sic) will be
Arson attacks against Presbyterian Churches with people inside there will be
bloodshed.”

The arson threat is the most recent in a slew of belligerent phone-calls,
emails and letters received by the PCUSA in the months following the
denomination’s decision to divest. Last week, the PCUSA officials completed a list of
“six-criteria”