im from israel

[lilalo]

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god damn it...
all of the stupid guys here...who think they know evry thing ...you soo wrong..
damn it... live here...
and the guys who say the palestinien or however you spell it...is the purest soul on earth..
damn it...they were th purest souls when the kill my littel brother?? hhuuhh?!?! god damn it he was only 10 years old...got on a bus...5 minuts after that...gone...yeah really pure soul...

damn it and do tell me this is the israelis ...we want peace...we want to give them country of ther own...but they...just dont like us and want israel destroyed....yeah..really pure soul.

all the israeli settelers near GAZA were vacated ...so the arabs could have their country...but guess what!!..they got the land..and wanted more....so fuck them!! i need to nearlly kill my own people for thhese fuckers!...no!...so we made it once but no more...

and yeah...in 2 more years from now...i will be in the IDF...killing some arabs ...yeah we like...
you really think so?!?!
we dont want to kill them...
but ther own leaders...hide in side of kinder garden ...you know...a lot of littel kids...then...shot from ther on israeli men...we shot back and accidentlly kill littel girl....
how the hell we need to know its a kinder garden?!?! gosh...

ther is a nice picture of israeli soldier...and arab one...
and two baby carts...

the arab soldier fight and cover behind the cart...
and the israeli was fighting and defending the cart...an cover it...not taking cover behind it like the arab.


and it is 100% true...you can not belive me...but this is like taking you head and stick it in the ground...
it is true...


so i you think you know evry thing...try me...i bet you never met an israeli before...

[Sol]

I don't know that much about the details of going on, but don't you need the Arabs to work inside your country? In other words, you couldn't just wall yourselves off because you depend on them for labor?

[lilalo]

i know what you are talking about...
and no...its depend of how you look at it...

some arabs who have isreali pasport can work inside...we 100% prefer israeli workforce...but i can understand the arabs who risk crossing the border searching for woks...
some are legal..some arent...
the search for work and they depen on ther jobs like evry one else and i can understand that...
but you must understand that if we let evry one in...for work and stuff...it could end up with anther bus bombs and stuff...

[whitemajikman]

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god damn it...
all of the stupid guys here...who think they know evry thing ...you soo wrong..
damn it... live here...
and the guys who say the palestinien or however you spell it...is the purest soul on earth..
damn it...they were th purest souls when the kill my littel brother?? hhuuhh?!?! god damn it he was only 10 years old...got on a bus...5 minuts after that...gone...yeah really pure soul...

damn it and do tell me this is the israelis ...we want peace...we want to give them country of ther own...but they...just dont like us and want israel destroyed....yeah..really pure soul.

all the israeli settelers near GAZA were vacated ...so the arabs could have their country...but guess what!!..they got the land..and wanted more....so fuck them!! i need to nearlly kill my own people for thhese fuckers!...no!...so we made it once but no more...

and yeah...in 2 more years from now...i will be in the IDF...killing some arabs ...yeah we like...
you really think so?!?!
we dont want to kill them...
but ther own leaders...hide in side of kinder garden ...you know...a lot of littel kids...then...shot from ther on israeli men...we shot back and accidentlly kill littel girl....
how the hell we need to know its a kinder garden?!?! gosh...

ther is a nice picture of israeli soldier...and arab one...
and two baby carts...

the arab soldier fight and cover behind the cart...
and the israeli was fighting and defending the cart...an cover it...not taking cover behind it like the arab.


and it is 100% true...you can not belive me...but this is like taking you head and stick it in the ground...
it is true...


so i you think you know evry thing...try me...i bet you never met an israeli before...


Oy Vey.....

Lilalo ...

Israel Since It's Inception has Killed Ten Times More Arabs Than the Palestinian Resistance Has Killed Israeli's over the same period.......

How Do You Explain This.....?

Also How Do You Explain The Fact That Most of World Jewry Despises Israeli's....?

How Do You Explain To Your Relatives and your future Children That Israel Was Built on a foundation of Blood, Arab Blood?

How Can You Sit There Talking About Your 10 year old Brother,When Israel's Ambition has left many arabs orphaned......?

How can you State that Israel is Pure of heart when it's policies are reminants of the very policies that the Nazi-Swine Hitler Imposed On all of us during our years of oppression........and now The Palestinians are the oppressed and we have taken the role of our old oppressors the Nazi's.....?

How Can You As A Jew Condone Secularism......When It Is Our Religion That Makes Us A Jew....?

How Can You Condemn The Palestinians, When The Palestinians Lived In relative Peace Prior to The Inception Of Israel.......

No ....lilalo.......

Whether You Like It Or Not......

The Palestinians Have The purest Semite Blood......at this time on the planet earth......

and have not fallen for the corruption that Zionism breeds.......

and if you have not guessed by now......

I am a Jew.......

But Not a Self-serving JEW........

Like The Jews Of Israel......Whom have done more to keep the notion of Anti-Semitism alive and whom use that Notion like a weapon......

No I Am Definitely Not An Israeli Jew.........

I care Not For Israel......

Because Israel is not the Israel my descendants and your descendants were fore told about........by our creator.....

the Israel of today is corrupt with arrogance and ambition and cares very little about the lessons of the past.......

if I were asked what has corrupted Israel ..........I Would Not State That It Was Jewish Arrogance And ambition because clearly that is not the case......

it was Zionism from the beginning that has corrupted Israel.......and Jews are Not Zionist's.......and were never meant to be Zionist's.........

So lilalo ......Tell your Fellow Israeli's that your stature among World Jewry has No Substance except for what the Israeli Zionist propaganda machine tries to propagate against the rest of the world........

In Fact Tell Your Fellow Israeli's That This Jew ......Thinks That Zionist Israel Is A Shame That The Rest Of world Jewry Has Had To Bare unfairly......And Also tell Them That Your Greatest Enemy Is Not The Goyim or the Arabs......But Your Fellow Jews Who Will Not Allow You The Previlege Of Speaking on behalf of our good names anymore......

You And Israel Are an abomination.........

WMM

[halva]

If Israel wants to survive it has to change its geopolitics, joining Europe, aligning away from the United States, accepting for itself the European Union policies on minorities that are at present being imposed only on European Union member states but not on Israel, which is a law unto itself.

[lilalo]

whitemajikman

you talk like you know so much...better for you to shut up...
maybe among other people here ...who dont know much...you seem to know somthing...but you know nothing but shit.

on the same period of time arab killed israeli citizens (well i first like to know from where you get this sick bullshit from)...and ment only for israeli citizens...
while on the other hand...israel kills trorists..(sorry for my spelling mistakes) and sorry...i know it...some times citizens too its wrong and evrybody here know it...but you arab friends...hide in side citizens houses...

how do you explain that??!
yeah....very nice tactic...i really mean that...shot from a house...then israel shot back kill a littel girl and then the world see israel as a monster....really good tactic...

gosh as i keep on reading i just see how stupid you are.

you really think we want to destroy palestain?? you really think we want this war?? you really think so....you are damn stupid ..gosh...so stupid...so blind...

tell me you...

how this war started...and if you answer corect ..i will shut up.

and yeah you maybe think that...you will answer...and then ill say "no blah blah"..
so i tell you now..i have only 1 answer in mind..and its not effected by the fact im israeli..
it is an natural simple and right...for all sids...and we here all know it.

so just shot an answer...and if it corect ill shut up...if not...you just a big fat sack of sick blinded nonsense bullshit.

sorry for my spelling

[whitemajikman]

how this war started...and if you answer corect ..i will shut up.

You will Never Shut Up....Don't Lie To Me.......

In Your Mind Israel Is Acting In Self Defence and the palestinians are terrorist's.....

In The The Palestinians Eyes You Are Occupiers And You Are The Terrorist.....

Our Drive For Nationalism Started It With Moses Hess's vision of redeeming The Soil.........

Thats What Truly Started It.....

And Redeeming The Soil Had No Place for Palestinians....Let Alone Arab Semites......

Let me See How Truthful You Are Willing To Be......In This Matter.....

and let us converse one Jew To Another......

about our own criminal past, and our crimes that we so graciously commited against the Arabs in our drive for self-preservation and a tract of land that is tainted with Blood.......

So I Ask You ....lilalo .......

Is The Realization Of Israel ...... by G_D's Command ....? Or by Our Own foolish Selfish Pride?

Is Israel A Mistake I Think So......Because To Me Israel Is not worth one drop of spilled blood....

And Remember lilalo I Am a Jew Not An Israeli.........and without Israel......lilalo.....YOU ARE STILL A JEW........Just as I am Still A Jew......

And Ultimately That is What It Comes Down To......

Jews.....Do not Need Israel........to be Jews......

But Israel Needs Jews .....To Be Israel......

Think about it my Brother......

And If You Have the Strength And The Honesty To Be Truthful.....

Please Reply......

Perhaps You Do Have The Strength........Otherwise You Would not Have Made Your Last post.......

I Look Forward To Hearing From you.....

Shalom

WMM

[lilalo]

alright...
i most first say i cant understand evry thing so just if i got you wrong tell me...

any way...it true that israel need jews to be israel....
and jews can be jews without israel...

but thanks god (G_D) now we live in a world where people have the tools to run...to resist..to say and talk...and make effect..
while in the past , people just needed to work the land and shut up, or else, the king will kill them.

what im trying to say is...
that 40 years ago, even 50, israel was a real life saving solution for the jews.
even in the time of the roman empire, the jews lived here, and thats was about 1000 years ago.
we faced the romans the ottomans the bizantis, the greeks, the british.
we had been exiled to Persia, Europe and Africa.
in fact, we never been togather, under are own regime, but we have lived with relative harmony with are nighbors, well, it always been anti-Semitism all over Europe and Arbia, and the holocaust was the final blow, and israel was founded 3 years later.
it was a wonderful solution, jews will have their own goverment, and the anti-Semitism in Europe will be gone, at least not the feeling, but there will be no jews to hate anymore.
BUT
i know arabs always were on this land.
but also the jews were.
and while we were exiled arabs rule this land, and really "didnt like" the jews, the turks had thier rule here in the first world war, and they just wanted to kick us out.
any way...
this land is owned both to the arabs and the israels, we want to live in relative harmony, we want peace, we had in all our 60 years of rule here...almost 7 wars, its about war evry 10 years, you can realize this?? out ther in canada? i you say you can...i dont belive you.
and as it was almost 100 years ago with the turks...who just purley, simply, naivetely didnt wanr us here,is now with the palestinians.
now you get the picture....it have nothing to do with relgion...well the source of it is because we are jews...but nothing from the bible or the koraan, not the promised land and no shit.

these pure people just dont want us here....i really dont know way, and THATS why this war is on.

[whitemajikman]

alright...
i most first say i cant understand evry thing so just if i got you wrong tell me...

any way...it true that israel need jews to be israel....
and jews can be jews without israel...

but thanks god (G_D) now we live in a world where people have the tools to run...to resist..to say and talk...and make effect..
while in the past , people just needed to work the land and shut up, or else, the king will kill them.

what im trying to say is...
that 40 years ago, even 50, israel was a real life saving solution for the jews.
even in the time of the roman empire, the jews lived here, and thats was about 1000 years ago.
we faced the romans the ottomans the bizantis, the greeks, the british.
we had been exiled to Persia, Europe and Africa.
in fact, we never been togather, under are own regime, but we have lived with relative harmony with are nighbors, well, it always been anti-Semitism all over Europe and Arbia, and the holocaust was the final blow, and israel was founded 3 years later.
it was a wonderful solution, jews will have their own goverment, and the anti-Semitism in Europe will be gone, at least not the feeling, but there will be no jews to hate anymore.
BUT
i know arabs always were on this land.
but also the jews were.
and while we were exiled arabs rule this land, and really "didnt like" the jews, the turks had thier rule here in the first world war, and they just wanted to kick us out.
any way...
this land is owned both to the arabs and the israels, we want to live in relative harmony, we want peace, we had in all our 60 years of rule here...almost 7 wars, its about war evry 10 years, you can realize this?? out ther in canada? i you say you can...i dont belive you.
and as it was almost 100 years ago with the turks...who just purley, simply, naivetely didnt wanr us here,is now with the palestinians.
now you get the picture....it have nothing to do with relgion...well the source of it is because we are jews...but nothing from the bible or the koraan, not the promised land and no shit.

these pure people just dont want us here....i really dont know way, and THATS why this war is on.


You Don't Know Why? They Do Not Want You There......

It Is The Same Reason They Did Not Want The Jew In Europe, It Is The Same Reason That Hitler Tried To Exterminate Us......

They Are Afraid.....

lilalo Look at What Our Jewish Ambition Has Done To This World.......

Even Now That Ambition Threatens The World.....

Israel Is Treating The Palestinians As The Nazi's Treated Us......

And Yes lilalo I have Been To Israel Many Times......I Have Relatives who Live Their......

It Is Your Arrogance That Makes You Proclaim that you "do not know Why"......They Hate Us.....

If We Are Going To Try And Gain Back That Which was Lost in The Past.........Which Is Israel's Glory.......

We Must First Look At Why we Were Exiled In The First Place.........

And It Was Not Because we were Jewish......But Because We Allowed our Arrogance And Ambition to Rise Above G_D's Law.......

We Are Making The Same Mistakes That The Pharisees Made When Yeshua Tried To Warn Them......So Long Ago...

At That Time Our Belief Was Tested And We Failed Miserably......

It Was our Pride And Ambition That Lead To Yeshua's Sacrifice.......and because we cared more about Nationalism and getting along politically with the Romans.......

You Say It Is not Religious......But It Has Everything To Do With Religion..........

How Can Israel Be Truly Israel Without G_D's Law.........?

And Israel is Not Living By G_D's Law..............

But By Zionist Law And Rule........Which Is Secular.......

The Secret To Peace .....Is Very Simple........But Yet Very Complex.......

Do You Want Peace....lilalo.....? Probably.....

Does Israel Want Peace......?

I don't Think So........

Because If She did ,There Would Be No Conflict.......And The Palestinians Would Be APart Of Her Society As Equals .......Not Second Class Citizens.......But Truly Equal.......

Only Hard Cold Truth can Lead To Peace.....

And At This Point Israel Is Neither Truthful Nor Fair......In The Way It Views Itself And The Way It Treats Others.....

Do You Deny This....?

WMM

[halva]

Israel will be finished if it doesn't learn to extricate from from the unviable schemes of people living OUTSIDE the region to use it as a means for imposing insane politics ON the region.

The Holocaust story may have been necessary to generate the political dynamic for creating Israel but Israel's existence would now be best served by allowing its state's founding myth to be discussed objectively and dispassionately. Throwing people into prison for years just on the basis of what they say is desperate, loser's behaviour. The Iranian president is doing Israel a favour by opening up this issue. It could open the door for exposure of a whole range of other myths whose continuation threatens us all.

[lilalo]

OMG
you speak so much nonsense...

so much...nothing...
tell me...
mr "know evry thing"...
what we are doing to the arabs?? that you can campre it with hitler try with the "final solution"
??
tell me..
what you want israel to do...to be "good" again??
tell me you...
you speak like you know...and you know nothing...
i live here...i see our news evry day...(oh yeah and btw... CNN..is not the best source of info about israel...)
i breath this air and walk this land...and not far from here...im in tel aviv...about 15-20 Km... ther is an arab villige.


and stop talking bullshit...
arabs are NOT israel citizens...so we dont treet them like 2nd class...gosh shut the f*ck up with that!!
damn!
and israel do want peace...and if you think the source of this war is israel you are in a biiiggg mistake...

and israel is long long long ago stopped following G_D laws!...so shut up! thats not true...
damn...and dont tell me it is, coz all the rule in relgion here...is in our Kneset, and the relgios are not even in...so stop...this damn sick bullshit of nothing...

israel do want peace....my brother killed by this conflict...many other brothers had been killed too...
and about you damn fact that israel killed more arabs the arabs killed israels in the same priod of time..
but you know what it is true...
but arabs kill citizens ...we kill terorists...yeah...we are...nice directed bomb stright into the car of Hamas mother F*cker how killed my brother...

if you compare how many citizens and how many armed men each side kills...israel win with the armed men...palestine win with the citizens...

you know who is in the lead of palestine?? a terorist group...called Hamas, the same group who desperately want to kill us...all of us...for ages...they dont even want to recognize in israel's existence...and they are in the lead!! they got into ther with democratic votes...which mean...most of ther population..want to destroy us...more then 70% ..
so..does israel treat pale' like littel hitlers...or they (wanna be) treat us??

oh...and stop with the zionist stuff...zionst are dead now...more then 90 years from now..
..and you cant stop using that..tell me what a zionist is?


so??
pliz tell me what we need to do to become good...
and i can tell right now...what your are about to say is the same thing that israel trying to do for ages.

[halva]

One of your problems seems to be that you are not very well educated. That might be more of a problem for you if you lived somewhere else than it is for you living, as a Jew, in Israel. In any case, if you have real security problems you are not going to solve them by starting (and continuing) arguments here.

As for being good, the best way to start is to start with yourself, at the same time trying to locate other people who are good. There are good people in Israel (including Jewish people). Do you expect me to tell you where to find them?

[lilalo]

well educated...
well...
if its about my english so..ok...what ever..
any way..
starting with me...damn i tolled you already that i dont want this war...no body here does...
so??
what your point..if you just wanna laugh on me..so go on...any way i dont gonna see you till my next time in greece...
and you know what i dont really care...coz you make fun of yourself...
by desperately make fun of me, what you can say?? im jew?? im israeli?...its true...
i am a jew and i am israeli...make me 2nd class person??
just say yes....

[halva]

I have Jewish friends in Israel, and I hope not only for their sakes but for the sake of all of us that our worst fears are not realized over the next months.

It is the Jews that have choices in Israel, not the Palestinians.

[whitemajikman]

[QUOTE=lilalo]OMG
you speak so much nonsense...

so much...nothing...
tell me...
mr "know evry thing"...
what we are doing to the arabs?? that you can campre it with hitler try with the "final solution"
??

Oy Vey.....

1)assassination without trial.......( Many Jews Were Assassinated by Hitler Without Trial Because Of Hitler's Fear Of The Jew and Now Israel makes The Same Mistake Because Of Fear Of The Arab).....In Both Cases It Was Done because of fear and hatred in the name of security.

2)Putting yourselves above the Arabs......(This Is Done in the spirit of Nationalism.....The Same Nationalism That hitler Used To try and Put Himself Above the Jew.)

3)Starving The Arabs for your own Safety.......( Taking a away their means to feed their families how dare you decide to play G_D like hitler tried to play G_D........)

4)destroying arab homes like the nazi's burnt our ghettos......

5)the use of the notion of anti-semitism as a weapon to promote Jewish Nationalism.......

These Are Just Five Reasons off the top of my head ......but there are mamy ,many, more......


tell me..
what you want israel to do...to be "good" again??
tell me you...
you speak like you know...and you know nothing...
i live here...i see our news evry day...(oh yeah and btw... CNN..is not the best source of info about israel...)
i breath this air and walk this land...and not far from here...im in tel aviv...about 15-20 Km... ther is an arab villige.

Israel Must Admit To Herself that She is her own greatest Enemy........And That She Creates Her Own Enemies by not following G_D's Law......she must start treating others like she wants to be treated.....you reap what you sow.......

and since it's inception all Isreal has sown is blood, death, and ego.....

because it has put itself above everyone else in the region......

it is you lilalo who talks bullshit......and who lies because you are drunk with nationalism.......which leads to intolerance and hatred which is not G_D's way.....but it is Israel's.....way.



and stop talking bullshit...
arabs are NOT israel citizens...so we dont treet them like 2nd class...gosh shut the f*ck up with that!!
damn!
and israel do want peace...and if you think the source of this war is israel you are in a biiiggg mistake...

No lilalo you are the one mistaken , and you are the one who has forgotten your father's face......

If Israel Was Meant To Be ......It Would Lead By Example Not By Bloodshed.....

If Israel Was meant To Be .....It Would Lead By Peace Not by assassinations without trial or starving innocent arabs because of the actions of a few extremist's.....

If Israel was meant to Be......It Would Not Need The U.S. As It's Protector and it would not be a welfare State........she would be able to stand on her own two feet.......alone.

If Israel Was Meant To Be ..... every Jew in the world would have returned.....because G_D would have Commanded it......and he has not.......

lilalo you live in an israel Invented By Man not The Israel Envisioned by G_D......

And As A Jew .....That Alone Should Mean Something.....But Instead You Are Deaf just as the pharisees were Deaf to Yeshua.......

You Are Blinded By Your Own Mystique Of Being A Jew......


and israel is long long long ago stopped following G_D laws!...so shut up! thats not true...
damn...and dont tell me it is, coz all the rule in relgion here...is in our Kneset, and the relgios are not even in...so stop...this damn sick bullshit of nothing...

Your the Sick Bullshit Artist.....

Who Has Decided To Defend the Indefensible .......

You Say Israel Has Not Forgotten G_D....?

Then Tell Me Why She Is Not Blessed With Peace.....?

Tell Me lilalo ......Why Does Isreal Suffer So......?

You Can Only Keep Blaming The Arabs until there are no Arabs left To Blame.......

Then Who Will You Blame...?

I Blame Israeli's......

Who Have Forgotten when Israel was supposed to rise from the ashes.......

By G_d's Command.......

Not By A Jew Who Decided One Day that it would be cool to return to the holy land to regain what was once theirs......

Because The Jew Has No Claim Until G_D Commands It......

And That Is Why lilalo Israel is a country of misery,death, and bloodshed.......

because Jewish Arrogance has left G_D behind........

PROVE ME WRONG ..........


israel do want peace....my brother killed by this conflict...many other brothers had been killed too...
and about you damn fact that israel killed more arabs the arabs killed israels in the same priod of time..
but you know what it is true...
but arabs kill citizens ...we kill terorists...yeah...we are...nice directed bomb stright into the car of Hamas mother F*cker how killed my brother...

You Know Nothing of G_D lilalo......your above comments prove this point......

if you wish to put blame on somebody put it on your selves for being stupid enough to live in the most dangerous country for JEWS in the world ......ISRAEL.


Your Brother Died Because He Just Like You .......Fell For The Notion That Israel Is A Jew's Saviour......when All It Is An Abomination .

if you compare how many citizens and how many armed men each side kills...israel win with the armed men...palestine win with the citizens...

you know who is in the lead of palestine?? a terorist group...called Hamas, the same group who desperately want to kill us...all of us...for ages...they dont even want to recognize in israel's existence...and they are in the lead!! they got into ther with democratic votes...which mean...most of ther population..want to destroy us...more then 70% ..
so..does israel treat pale' like littel hitlers...or they (wanna be) treat us??


of Course They Want To Destroy you........

to them you are hitler......

can you not see this Truth.....?

Can You Not See That Your claim To The Land Ended When all Jews were exiled.......?

Can You Not See That The Only One Who Has The Right To call back all of the Jews is G_D.........and only By G_D's Order Can Israel Ever Exist........Peacefully.

You Live In An Israel made By Man And Sanctioned By Man.......Contrary To G_D's Command.....

Your Misery Lies In This Fact.......Alone.

Prove Me Wrong.....



oh...and stop with the zionist stuff...zionst are dead now...more then 90 years from now..
..and you cant stop using that..tell me what a zionist is?

Quit Lying......

Zionism Of Old Is not The Zionism I Was Refering To.......


so??
pliz tell me what we need to do to become good...
and i can tell right now...what your are about to say is the same thing that israel trying to do for ages.


It Is Very Simple If You Are Truly A Jew.....and believe in G_D....

Abolish Israel Until Such Time G_D Commands it To Exist.......

Anything else would be contray to G_D's command.....and an abomination.

and why at this time Israel is in misery........and No Peace Exist's.....

Because Israel and Israeli's have Forgotten That Without G_D you have no right calling yourself a JEW and Without His Command There is No ISRAEL......Just A man-Made Version Which Has Been Preverted .....

Israel Should Not Exist At This Time.......Because G_D Never commanded it To Exist......

And Here Lies the Root Of The False Israel's Misery.......

and your misery.....

This Israel's existence Is A Lie In G_D's Eyes......

which makes it a sin.....

you do know what sin is......don't you lilalo? and how G_D punishes those who do not heed him....?


WMM

[Dingo]

Lilalo. what you want israel to do...to be "good" again?? Lilalo it is not necessary that Israel be "good" according to some high Biblical standard. It is however recommended that they be realistic. That means negotiating an agreement based on a two state solution, with the boundary lines following the generally accepted guidelines provided by UN resolution 242. That means going back to the 1967 armistice lines with a few mutually agreeable adjustments with the Palestinian authority. Hamas is going to be a harder nut to crack than Fatah was but I think with financial incentives they will eventually sign on. The surrounding Arab states under the 2002 Saudi proposal have already signed on.

It means in a word that the Israeli government and people have to abandon the West Bank settlements in a final negotiated settlement. If they had been ready to accept UN Resolution 242 in its straight forwarded plain language earlier we would have had a negotiated peace. It is a shame lobby pressure in this country has kept the US government from insisting on such a resolution of the conflict but I don't think you can count on a perpetual American support for a Likudist territory grabbing solution. It is simply costing this country too much in money and bad press around the world and particularly engendering strong negative attitudes in Muslim countries and providing recruiting posters for terrorist outfits like Al Qaeda.

[whitemajikman]

Lilalo it is not necessary that Israel be "good" according to some high Biblical standard. It is however recommended that they be realistic. That means negotiating an agreement based on a two state solution, with the boundary lines following the generally accepted guidelines provided by UN resolution 242. That means going back to the 1967 armistice lines with a few mutually agreeable adjustments with the Palestinian authority. Hamas is going to be a harder nut to crack than Fatah was but I think with financial incentives they will eventually sign on. The surrounding Arab states under the 2002 Saudi proposal have already signed on.

It means in a word that the Israeli government and people have to abandon the West Bank settlements in a final negotiated settlement. If they had been ready to accept UN Resolution 242 in its straight forwarded plain language earlier we would have had a negotiated peace. It is a shame lobby pressure in this country has kept the US government from insisting on such a resolution of the conflict but I don't think you can count on a perpetual American support for a Likudist territory grabbing solution. It is simply costing this country too much in money and bad press around the world and particularly engendering strong negative attitudes in Muslim countries and providing recruiting posters for terrorist outfits like Al Qaeda.


If Israel Has To Exist.....

Then I Agree With You Dingo That This Is Probably The Best Solution......

But I Don't Think Israel Wants Solutions.....

Because Solutions would mean they would have to admit that they were Wrong......in the first place....

and I don't See That Happening Any Time Soon.....

WMM

[lilalo]

OMG...
oh my god..

alright...this is my final massege here...if you like or not (im pretty sure you like it)

well what can i say...you keep beliving that israel goes with god laws...and its not true..god have nothing to do with our decisions...
stop being so premative...



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Oy Vey.....

1)assassination without trial.......( Many Jews Were Assassinated by Hitler Without Trial Because Of Hitler's Fear Of The Jew and Now Israel makes The Same Mistake Because Of Fear Of The Arab).....In Both Cases It Was Done because of fear and hatred in the name of security.

2)Putting yourselves above the Arabs......(This Is Done in the spirit of Nationalism.....The Same Nationalism That hitler Used To try and Put Himself Above the Jew.)

3)Starving The Arabs for your own Safety.......( Taking a away their means to feed their families how dare you decide to play G_D like hitler tried to play G_D........)

4)destroying arab homes like the nazi's burnt our ghettos......

5)the use of the notion of anti-semitism as a weapon to promote Jewish Nationalism.......

These Are Just Five Reasons off the top of my head ......but there are mamy ,many, more......
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starving arabs???
puting areself above??
gosh are you blind??
we never starve arab familly...
if ther govermant take ther money and make bombs with it its not our problem...
ther money go to west...and its not because of us...we have nothing to do with ther own democratic decisions
assassination without trial???
tell me...how do you know about the assassination...if it was without a trail...we kill trorist and we say it was us and we like it...base on fear?? its based on self defending...know this words?? defending my soil...from arab basterds...can i do that?? yes?? ooh thank you my king..for letting me defend my own people..

how can i pus myself above them?? how?? by telling them "yo arabs..you are lower then me...so blah blah blah"...
how for god sake can i put myself above other?? course them?? so what so i let them to course me back...

we cant starve arabs..coz we have nothing to do with their food trade or sources...ther field are near ther cities...we never touch them..how can we starve them?? not givving them money??
who said i need to give them money??

ooohh this line i like...destroying thier houses...yeah...CNN and thier bullshit...i love it..evry idiot come to me and ask why we destroy thier houses...
coz they shotting at as from them ddaahhh...
shot from a bunker we will destroy the bunker...shot from a plane we will destroy the plane..shot from a house we will destroy the house...i cant see it so diffrent...
if they will stop shotting i will stop destroying their houses...
but a house is so symbolic ...so it make a-lot of "noise" around the world.

oohh...and we are so nationlist..we just can see how the world can live without us...we are the living spirit of this world....
NOT
we have nthing to do with nationlism...
so stop it...
(i know you probebly dont belive me...but all i can say is...belive me...i live here.)


im drunk of nationlism???
maybe you are damn blocked minded..you just see what your mind tell you to see...and cant be open for other opinions...
open your mind..lisand to other opinion...
you say all my talking are lies?? base on what?? you mega super duper powers of seeing the truth..pliz...tell me...how do you know im lying?


well..its true we need the US to help us...but..what it have to do with anything??
US help us...
how israel could stand alone with so many idiots like you try to make it fall??
and gods commands??what the f*ck are you talking about?? and god commands is not work on saturday..and all the country is open on sturday...evry one driving and stuff...no one here follow gods command...and this nation wasnt even founded by gods command.
and i am a jew...but i dont eat Kasher...i dont go do the Syngog evry day..i dont pray evry day..i drive on saturday...i hate fanatic relgios here...so how can i be blind by my relgion...if i dont even follow it?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


why israel suffer...
because some arab idiots not so far from here...it have nothing to do with god...
why israel not blessed with peace....
coz who we tried to peace with all this years...dont want peace...
who am i blame?? the pale' people..why?? coz they vote for a fanatic group to lead their govermant...thats why.
and if you dont belive it...
trie to surf the net after palestine...and see who leads them...and i tell you now..
its Hamas...an extreme party of extremist anti-israel ideology/
want me to prove you wrong...here...
Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)
these guys got into lead by democratic vote...i think the pale really want to kill uss if so.

stop talking about my brother...
he was 10 years old...he have nothing to do with any decision that country take...so why they killed him...why?? coz he didnt follow god will...i dont get you any more...
stop talking about him.
blame my self for returnign to my home land?? for more then 3000 years...
you got luck...you live in the 2nd biggest country in the world...one of the wealthiest, remote country with no enemis, nighbor to the world only super power.
sound good to me...
from their....its easy to hate your own people...
"oohh damn you now eat what you have planted, next time choose better place"...yeah...lets all move to Canada...right...
this IS my homeland...and its nothing to do with god command...its have to do with my ancestors...who lived here for 11 generations...and its true...my mother said lived here even befor israel officially exist...so...should i leave this country?? why?? because some mother fucker arab want me to?? fuck him...i will kill him befor he will lay a toe on my fathers soil...and its not nationalism...is ptriotism...and its not the same thing.

so you say we suffer here we didnt go under gods commands??..so...hurry...tell me fast what are gods command so we can follow it and stop this suffrege...
RRRIIIGGHHTT...this land was given to the Jews by the british after the WWII...
its was ours 1000 years ago...
we face any empire you can imagine
want me to name it for you?? you can search WIKI or something to see if i right...and the jew really did exicted on this land under this empires...
the Ottomans the Byzants the Hitis the British the Romans the Greeks and the Assures
all rule over the jews here in israel...
we were here befor the arabs did...
why we should go?!
PROVE ME WRONG!

zionist you prefering and zionist of the " old world" is the same thing...zionism is zionism...and its dead...deeeeepppp under ground...so stop talkin and using it...its just not corect.

well...you see it as god sign...i see it as a must for the jews to have a country...or may be you prefer 2nd Holocaust...maybe you cant see it out ther in Canada...but with out e country..i can sure you...ther will be a 2nd Holocaust




now for dingo...
i see you have much better knowledge...
its true...that finaly they will sign...
but you must under stand we cant let go of our capitol...Jerusalem...
we really really want to give them a state...we really do...but they...as you say...a har nut to crack..and we dont want to give jerusalem back...
so we tried a west Jerusalem...50\50 Jerusalem...but they just want it all...andit cant be ...just cant..
let say you are from USA...alright..(coz i dont know where you are from)...and the natives want a country...they make terorist acts and things...you just want to stop it...you try to sign an agreement...but all they want...is Washington....can you see it happening?? US gonna slap them really hard befor they late go of ther capitol...any nation will...you must under stand us...

well...about the west bank settelments...we are now moving them of...any way its a small group of fanatics...its hard...coz its holy places for us too...
and we concede ( is it the right word..like...let it go..) thes place..fot the sake of the agreement...
you realize...israel ...need to force out it own people out of ther home for arabs...sound really hard...but we do it...
we are more cruel to are own people then to the arabs...(ahm ahm whitemajikman)
true...
i agree about the Likud grabbing thing...but it was like 60 years ago...when the british left some territorys un-signed for niether state...and then that solution was effective.now ther is no such a policy...






ssooo
what can i say...
maybe i will put some more masseges anyway...
well i dont goona beg you to belive me...
all i can say is...belive me...because....i live here...i see it i smell it i fell it i hear it better then any one of you...(not in an arrogant (is that the word...for..like..."im above you blah blah" tune)...


any way.. pliz replay...still i want to see you opinions


Edit..:

whitemejikman...you are so idiot...
you agree with dingo about the solution...but all i try to tell you about all this time that the arabs dont like the solution...so what israel can do!?!?!?!?

[whitemajikman]

whitemejikman...you are so idiot...

At Least I Am A REAL Jew......

Not A Godless Heathen Like You....

Because Without Religion And God lilalo you have no RIGHT to call yourself a JEW.....

Because That Is The Only Thing That MAKES YOU A JEW........

G_d's Decree.......

Ask Your Mother ........What Makes Her A Jew.....

Go Ask any Rabbi What Makes them a Jew......

Without G_d lilalo you are NOT a JEW............Just A False- Pretender.

And here You Are G_dless heathen trying to promote Israel ................

But Yet You Are Not A Jew..........



Nothing Is Stopping You From Leaving Israel to go to someplace Safer.......But Yet As You Pointed Out Your Patriotism Is What Drives You In Staying.......

And Your Hatred For The Arab......

You Live Off the Prosperity of others Through Welfare........Every American Taxpayer Knows This To Be True......

and without America as an allie Israel Would Cease To Exist.......This Is Also True......

So You Sit Here Talking About Justice.......

When You Know Nothing Of Justice........Because you have perverted it........as has Israel......

You Say You Know How Things Are Because You live and Breath It....Everyday.......like a martyr....

My Jewish Sensibilities say this to me.........A Man Who Is foolish enough To Keep putting himself in harms way when an alternative way exist's.......Is Nothing More Than A FOOL.....

You Want Me To Feel Sorry For You........

But I Cannot......

Because you chose your life of bloodshed and Suicide bombings...........There is nothing from stopping you from leaving except your blind patriotism and your drive for vengeance......

And Yes Canada is Safe For The Jew.......

You Cannot Say The Same For Israel...........

WMM

[lilalo]

well alright...
so i am goless jew...
i am not a true jew..so??
make me 2nd class person??
no!! and you hate this too...when people make others like 2nd class...so stop that!
and i dont hate the arabs...only the trorists...why should i hate a whole nation because of a small extremist groups...
i pretty like them..the ones who have nothing to do with the shit...
i had a ski vication 2-3 weeks ago..
i drived through arab villige...no one even got close...and i made a stop...drink somthing...talk with them...why should i hate them??
but...i hate the ones who pretand to be harmless...and underground let groups get into their houses and shot from thier....yeah..those ones i really hate.


and about the american tax payer...tell me...
you really think there are free gift in the world...you think we here dont pay twice more taxes...to repay US...??
we are...we have more then 160% taxes on cars 70-100% taxes on electronics...and only basic stuff like milk and bread...or israel products have good price...
and its also true that without US we are gone...so?? tell me...so what?? i dont get so what?? sheesh...but let me tell you..we repay US with our knowledge..developing agriculture, weapons, hi-tech and scurity stuff...a lot of you food right now on your plate..is a ofspring of israeli development and patents...and i can sure you that.
so shut up...you know your nighbors pay...but you know nothing beyond that..

any way...i am i god lees jew...
but i want to defend my homland not only because of my jewish roots...infact...you say i have nothing with my jewism...
but i am still a jew...
a celebrate Pesah...Purim and Hanuka...
i learn bible in school...
i dont eat on Yom kipur...
and im still talk to god from time to time...
so i am not so jewish....but i dont forget my roots...
like you...by moving to canada...i see as a fool...as chicken...run away like cowerd...instead of defending your homeland...and its yours...if you like it or not...i can sure you that your roots...some where some time were here.
so maybe i am a godless jew...but your are a root-less person...and i see it much worse..

[mickey]

lilao, don't get discouraged. Most of the posters here want Israel to exist alongside a Palestinian homeland. Most of the posters here understand that most Israelis are humane and peaceful. Whitemajikman is known on this forum as an anti-semitic weirdo.

[whitemajikman]

lilao, don't get discouraged. Most of the posters here want Israel to exist alongside a Palestinian homeland. Most of the posters here understand that most Israelis are humane and peaceful. Whitemajikman is known on this forum as an anti-semitic weirdo.

yes lilalo I am an anti-semitic Jew......That's why I waste my valuable time with you......

NOT....

WMM

[whitemajikman]

lilao, don't get discouraged. Most of the posters here want Israel to exist alongside a Palestinian homeland. Most of the posters here understand that most Israelis are humane and peaceful. Whitemajikman is known on this forum as an anti-semitic weirdo.


Mickey Is Like You Are lilalo Afraid of the Truth........

And a little bit slow on the uptake.....

Because the Only Way The Palestinians And Israel Can Live Peacefully Side By Side is if Israel Start's Acknowledging International Law......

-Allow's Nuclear Inspections ......

-Goes Back To Pre-1967 Borders.......

- Abides By ALL of The U.N. Resolutions Ever Put Forth Against Her........

-Stop's Using The Mossad To Destabilize The Region....

-Admit's That It Was A Mistake helping America Oust Saddam........(Because Now The Middle East Is A Hornet's Nest And UnControllable and sees Israel And America Being The Cause
If A Shia -Sunni War Erupts In The Middle East.)

- Recognizes Hamas Considering it was Israel And America Touting Democracy and when Democracy Spoke.....The Result Was Hamas.

-recognizes that Israeli arrogance and Ambition is at least partially to blame for the Woes Of The Middle East.

Etc.....etc....etc........

The Palestinians Must Recognize that Hamas must Change It's Stripes If They Are Going To Try And Live Peacefully.

-Stop The Jihad ......

-Recognize Israel.....

-Stop Shedding Blood In G_D's Name....

- Recognize that Peace is the only way this conflict can end..........All Other Path's Lead To Bloodshed and Uncertainty.....Which Leads To The Circle Of endless War .....Which is not Honourable only Suicidal......

Etc....etc....etc....


Yep ....I Am Such An Anti-semitical Wierdo, according to the pro-Israeli Camp........

It Sickens Me To Think People Like mickey Who Are Limited In Their View Of right And Wrong And Who Have Shaped Their View Due To their Political Leanings can Make Claims Against Posters Who See Both Sides Of The Conflict.........And are Not Influenced by American or Israeli Propaganda........

And Call Them Anti-semitical Wierdo's........

The Mickey's Of The World No Nothing Of Tolerance,They Just Judge And Judge And Judge Some More......

Always Thinking That Their View Is The correct View.........Because They Think It is The Status Quo........

By Doing This All They Do Is Spread Anti-semitism.......

As A Jew I have Learnt That Jewish Nationalism cannot Thrive without Anti-Semitism......or the Threat of Anti-Semitism.......

It Is The Basis For Founding Israel......It Is The Basis For Settling In Israel..........And It Is The Allure That Makes Jews Move From Safer Locales around The World To The Most Dangerous Place For A Jew In The World........Israel.

The Notion Of Anti-semitism to a Jew has become a Two Edged Sword......

On One Hand We Fear Anti-semitism Because Of The Past........And On The Other Hand We USE Anti-Semitism to our Advantage......as a weapon.

Israel is always in a state of provocation......But Never In A State Of Tolerance.....

6 Eyes For An Eye .......Is Israels Motto.......Because An Eye For An eye Just Did Not Quench The Thirst Of Veangence.

I am Called An Anti-semitical Weirdo Because I Am A Jew Who Disagrees That World Jewry Needs It's Own Country........to Flourish.

When Clearly that is not the case.......G_D is what makes us Jews......Not Israel.

Israel Is A Jewish Vision That Has Not Lived Up To The Glory Of The Original Vision when first thought of so many years ago.......

It Is Corrupt From The Leaders On Down To The Very People Whom Call Themselves Jews......But Admit They Do Not Recognize Religion........Like our Friend lilalo......

I Don't Know About All Of World Jewry ,But I Do Know Here In Canada We Question Israel's Existence Because The Israel Of Today Is not The Israel That G_D Promised It Is The Israel That Man Promised.......

Which Does Not Make It The Israel That My Fellow Jews Were Taught of In The Talmud......And Is Actually An Abomination And Suffers Because Of This FACT.....

That Is Why Secular Jews Do not Comprehend Why Israel is In Misery And Her Opponents Want Her Destroyed.....

Because they do not realize that The Israel They Call Home Is In Name Only And Not What G_D Commanded........

Because If He Did.....

All Jews Myself Included Would Be In Israel ,defending her............

But Alas Nobody Thinks Of These Things Anymore .....They Just Open Their Mouths And Yell Anti-semitism.......And Thats Because False -Israel Has done Well In Training The Goyim To believe this is the Israel That G_D Spoke Of.......

When That Is The Farthest Thing From The TRUTH......

WMM

[Dingo]

Unfortunately Whiteman you do what all the anti-Semites on this board do, you conflate legitimate criticisms of Israel policy and expansionist Zionism with blatant anti-Semitism and then try to accuse those who call you on it apologists for Israel. It's a cute game but most people who have been on this board for a while have caught on to the game.

Being critical of Israel is not the same as accepting holocaust denial.
Being critical of Israel is not the same as promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Being critical of Israel is not the same as conflating Jews and communists.
Being critical of Israel is not the same as seeing Zionist conspiracies behind everything.
Being critical of Israel is not the same as calling for its destruction.

I can go on a David Duke site and most of his criticism of Israel will be drawn from responsible mainstream sources and he loves quoting "Jews" like Shamir. He knows the game too. It's the other 20% that gives him away.

By conflating legitimate criticism of Israel with blatantly anti-Semitic positions you play into the hands of the Likudists. You delegitimize the rest of the Israeli critics and so the Netanyahu right wing can go on its merry way. The Mossad must love you.

[halva]

Of course everyone wants to be referee rather than taking on the more dangerous role of player, and it is always possible to argue that by taking such and such a position one is "objectively" aiding and abetting some other more intransigent grouping.

The "moderation" of a Dingo looks as if it is not going to save us from a major disaster in the near future.

The kind of politics that will be possible in the wake of the disaster is a matter for speculation, but my guess is that "Holocaust deniers" will still be there in full force, and will have become more dangerous for the continued existence of Israel than they are at this moment.

[Dingo]

The "moderation" of a Dingo looks as if it is not going to save us from a major disaster in the near future.

I'm not in the saving business. I'm in the reality business. A conspiracy nut like halva definitely aint going to save nobody.

[halva]

Many "conspiracy theorists" don't know how to practice politics, believe there's no point trying anyway, or prefer to turn their theorizing into a cottage industry, to earn their living and support their families.

But hopefully there are enough "conspiracy theorists" around willing and able to confront politicians and political activists at every point on the spectrum and bring to their consciousness (and the consciousness of their constituencies) their increasingly scandalous denial strategies.

But it's not worthwhile trying to do this with you, Dingo. At least not on the Internet. Precisely because the discipline of "reality" is absent.

[Dingo]

One of the fun things about being on these forums is you run across folks who like to instruct the fellow in the mirror and imagine they are uttering profundities about somebody else in cyberland.

We need a modern day Freud to discuss this phenonmenon. Now halva, go back to pretending you are serious person with serious matters to discuss. Just don't forget, the Mossad killed Kennedy and were probably behind 911 to boot.

[halva]

You are a clown.

You see. I can be reactive too.

Nothing is easier.

[halva]

Why don't you start your own thread, Dingo?

Make an autonomous assertion.

[Dingo]

You really are obsessed with me halva. You need to get a life.

[halva]

I take it that the only way can prove non-obsession is by ignoring you. And that would be an indication of having a complex.

I challenge you to start a thread, indicating that you yourself perhaps have something to say.

[Dingo]

The mentally challenged halva wants to challenge me. You know that's kind of cute. lol

[halva]

Say something that represents YOUR point of view, apropos of nothing. Start a new thread.

[Dingo]

Say something that represents YOUR point of view
I already have on this thread but I understand you have memory problems.

Now that this site is about to go under you might want to drop over to hypercrites. We are short on nutcase Greeks. LOL

[halva]

Why do you say that the site is about to go under?

When I challenge you to say something that represents your point of view I mean: say something that is not merely a reaction (usually reflexively dismissive) to what another person has said.

Make an opening move, rather than a counter-move. Can you do it? Initiate a thread.

[Dingo]

I've started more threads than you ever dreamed of. Afraid you'll have to find another angle for self-promotion.

[halva]

Why wait until the twentieth. Goodbye.

[Dingo]

Yeah, goodbye too. Perhaps I'll see you around over at hypercrites now and then.

[halva]

You won't.

[Dingo]

No doubt you'll find some place to share the whisperings of the Oracle.