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whitemajikman
11-28-2005, 04:49 PM
How Earth-Scale Engineering Can Save the Planet



David Keith never expected to get a summons from the White House. But in September 2001, officials with the President’s Climate Change Technology Program invited him and more than two dozen other scientists to participate in a roundtable discussion called “Response Options to Rapid or Severe Climate Change.” While administration officials were insisting in public that there was no firm proof that the planet was warming, they were quietly exploring potential ways to turn down the heat.
Most of the world’s industrialized nations had already vowed to combat global warming by reining in their emissions of carbon dioxide, the chief “greenhouse gas” blamed for trapping heat in Earth’s atmosphere. But in March 2001 President George W. Bush had withdrawn U.S. support for the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty mandating limits on CO2 emissions, and asked his administration to begin studying other options.

Keith, a physicist and economist in the chemical and petroleum engineering department at the University of Calgary, had for more than a decade been investigating strategies to curtail global warming. He and the other scientists at the meeting—including physicists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who had spent a chunk of their careers designing nuclear weapons—had come up with some ideas for “geoengineering” Earth’s climate. What they proposed was tinkering on a global scale. “We already are inadvertently changing the climate, so why not advertently try to counterbalance it?” asks retired Lawrence Livermore physicist Michael MacCracken, a former senior scientist at the U.S. Global Change Research Program who helped organize the meeting.

“If they had broadcast that meeting live to people in Europe, there would have been riots,” Keith says. “Here were the bomb guys from Livermore talking about stuff that strikes most greens as being completely wrong and off-the-wall.” But today, a growing number of physicists, oceanographers and climatologists around the world are seriously considering technologies for the deliberate manipulation of Earth’s climate. Some advocate planetary air-conditioning devices such as orbiting space mirrors that deflect sunlight away from Earth, or ships that intensify cloud cover to block the sun’s rays. Others are suggesting that we capture carbon dioxide—from the air, from cars and power plants—and stash it underground or react it with chemicals that turn it to stone.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviationspace/3afd8ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry
11-28-2005, 05:15 PM
And one of those type fellas said, hey lets use the existing Jet planes emissions to alter the global warming patterns, more than twenty years ago at a national lab run by Lockheed-Martin and managed by some ex-Pentagon types.

Global Warming is real, manmade, and so are projects to alter the impact.

halva
11-28-2005, 05:42 PM
Why are climate scientists so evasive about it?

Why is this David Keith more up-front about it for the non-intellectual 'Popular Science' audience?

Is it because it is judged that this audience is reliably pro-Bush?

jayreynolds
11-28-2005, 06:28 PM
And one of those type fellas said, hey lets use the existing Jet planes emissions to alter the global warming patterns, more than twenty years ago at a national lab run by Lockheed-Martin and managed by some ex-Pentagon types..
Funny, the article doesn't even mention jet airplanes at all.
Imagine that.

jayreynolds
11-28-2005, 06:33 PM
Why are climate scientists so evasive about it?

Why is this David Keith more up-front about it for the non-intellectual 'Popular Science' audience?

Is it because it is judged that this audience is reliably pro-Bush?

Wayne, It really doesn't make sense that all these people would be talking about something that is so secret, does it?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it's just talk, just some people doing make-work to get some grant money and justify their job title for another year?

Because that's all it is.

Oh, and what does ~1x 10 to the seventh power mean to you?

halva
11-28-2005, 10:50 PM
They are as evasive about their talk as they are about any other aspect.

foot_soldier
11-29-2005, 07:22 PM
insurrectionchemistry wrote:
.....And one of those type fellas said, hey lets use the existing Jet planes emissions to alter the global warming patterns,.....
Now we're getting somewhere.

jayreynolds
11-30-2005, 04:46 AM
Now we're getting somewhere.

So, Jimbo's unsupported claim that he designed a method for jet engines to emit some sort of contrails which would cool the earth is "getting somewhere", eh?

Funny, for two years now, you've been claiming the]exact opposite thing

Is it true that you live at the "Waffle House"?

foot_soldier
11-30-2005, 08:47 AM
And one of those type fellas said, hey lets use the existing Jet planes emissions to alter the global warming patterns.....
Now we're getting somewhere.

Your usual deliberate misrepresentation of people's dialog here is of no use, Reynolds.

Why wouldn't those in oversight consider the utilization of already-existing emissions from any of a number of source points if they're (already) the right kind of emissions (i.e. already quantified as net-cooling) for mitigation of greenhouse gas net warming?

This isn't rocket science.

And that's hardly a new idea.

whitemajikman
12-11-2005, 02:20 PM
bump

foot_soldier
12-14-2005, 08:54 PM
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whitemajikman
12-14-2005, 09:17 PM
bumpity bump........

whitemajikman
12-14-2005, 09:24 PM
Lets use the existing Jet planes emissions to alter the global warming patterns.....


Yes How Hard Could it be ......?

Not That Hard....

Considering the Forcast that Air Travel Is Suppose To Triple and May Even quadruple......

WMM

jayreynolds
12-14-2005, 09:33 PM
Bogus thread