For Jay: USA Today -- US Military Wants to Own the Weather [Archive]

spirithelps

11-01-2005, 10:09 AM

Jay Reynolds -- This article is for you! Please include USA Today on your list of people who are terrorizing the country with this kind of talk! Teeeehehhheeeeee!!!!! Good reading, it's a long one!

I guess TPTB think they've created enough catastrophes/disasters that they believe the timing is right for people to now go along with weather modification. They always create a problem so the people will accept their solution which they never would have approved if the problem hadn't existed.

U.S. military wants to own the weather
By Leonard David, Space.com
Posted 10/31/2005 7:02 PM

The one-two hurricane punch from Katrina and Wilma along with predictions of more severe weather in the future has scientists pondering ways to save lives, protect property and possibly even control the weather.

While efforts to tame storms have so far been clouded by failure, some researchers aren't willing to give up the fight. And even if changing the weather proves overly challenging, residents and disaster officials can do a better job planning and reacting.

In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.

While some consider the idea farfetched, some military tacticians have already pondered ways to turn weather into a weapon.

Harbinger of things to come?

The U.S. military reaction in the wake of Hurricane Katrina that slammed the U.S. Gulf coast might be viewed as a harbinger of things to come. While in this case it was joint air and space operations to deal with after-the-fact problems, perhaps the foundation for how to fend off disastrous weather may also be forming.

Numbers of spaceborne assets were tapped, among them:

• Navigation and timing signals from the Global Positioning System (GPS) of satellites;

• The Global Broadcast Service, a one-way, space-based, high-capacity broadcast communication system;

• The Army's Spectral Operations Resource Center to exploit commercial remote sensing satellite imagery and prepare high-resolution images to civilian and military responders to permit a better understanding of the devastated terrain;

• U.S. Air Force Space Command's Space and Missile Systems Center Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) satellites that compared "lights at night" images before and after the disaster to provide data on human activity.

Is it far-fetched to see in this response the embryonic stages of an integrated military/civilian weather reaction and control system?

Mandate to continually improve

The use of space-based equipment to assist in clean-up operations — with a look toward future prospects — was recently noted by General Lance Lord, Commander, Air Force Space Command at an October 20th Pacific Space Leadership Forum in Hawaii.

"We saw first hand the common need for space after the December 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean," Lord said. "Natural disasters don't respect international boundaries. Space capabilities were leveraged immediately after the tsunami to help in the search and rescue effort…but what about before the disaster?"

Lord said that an even better situation is to have predicted the coming disaster and warned those in harm's way. "No matter what your flag or where you wave it from...the possibility of saving hundreds of thousands of people is a mandate to continually improve," he advised.

The U.S. Air Force is also looking at ways to make satellites and satellite launches cheaper and also reduce the amount of time it takes to launch into space from months to weeks to days and hours, Lord said. Having that capability will increase responsiveness to international needs, he said, such as the ability to send up a satellite to help collect information and enhance communications when dealing with international disasters.

Thunderbolts on demand

What would a military strategist gain in having an "on-switch" to the weather?

Clearly, it offers the ability to degrade the effectiveness of enemy forces. That could come from flooding an opponent's encampment or airfield to generating downright downpours that disrupt enemy troop comfort levels. On the flipside, sparking a drought that cuts off fresh water can stir up morale problems for warfighting foes.

Even fooling around with fog and clouds can deny or create concealment — whichever weather manipulation does the needed job.

In this regard, nanotechnology could be utilized to create clouds of tiny smart particles. Atmospherically buoyant, these ultra-small computer particles could navigate themselves to block optical sensors. Alternatively, they might be used to provide an atmospheric electrical potential difference — a way to precisely aim and time lightning strikes over the enemy's head — and thereby concoct thunderbolts on demand.

Perhaps that's too far out for some. But some blue sky thinkers have already looked into these and other scenarios in "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" – a research paper written by a seven-person team of military officers and presented in 1996 as part of a larger study dubbed Air Force 2025.

Global stresses

That report came with requisite disclaimers, such as the views expressed were those of the authors and didn't reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government. Furthermore, the report was flagged as containing fictional representations of future situations and scenarios.

On the other hand, Air Force 2025 was a study that complied with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force "to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future."

"Current technologies that will mature over the next 30 years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale," the authors of the report explained. "Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather-modification ability into a capability."

Pulling it all together

The report on weather-altering ideas underscored the capacity to harness such power in the not too distant future.

"Assuming that in 2025 our national security strategy includes weather-modification, its use in our national military strategy will naturally follow. Besides the significant benefits an operational
capability would provide, another motivation to pursue weather-modification is to deter and counter potential adversaries," the report stated. "The technology is there, waiting for us to pull it
all together," the authors noted.

In 2025, the report summarized, U.S. aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications.

"Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is
pertinent to all possible futures," the report concluded.

But if whipping up weather can be part of a warfighter's tool kit, couldn't those talents be utilized to retarget or neutralize life, limb and property-destroying storms?

All-weather worries

"It is time to provide funds for application of the scientific method to weather modification and control," said Bernard Eastlund, chief technical officer and founder of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation in San Diego, California.

Eastlund's background is in plasma physics and commercial applications of microwave plasmas. At a lecture early this month at Penn State Lehigh Campus in Fogelsville, Pennsylvania, he outlined new concepts for electromagnetic wave interactions with the
atmosphere that, among a range of jobs, could be applied to weather modification research.

"The technology of artificial ionospheric heating could be as important for weather modification research as accelerators have been for particle physics," Eastlund explained.

In September, Eastland filed a patent on a way to create artificial ionized plasma patterns with megawatts of power using inexpensive microwave power sources. This all-weather technique, he noted, can be used to heat specific regions of the atmosphere.

Eastlund's research is tuned to artificial generation of acoustic and gravitational waves in the atmosphere. The heating of steering winds to help shove around mesocyclones and hurricanes, as well as controlling electrical conductivity of the atmosphere is also on his
investigative agenda.

Carefully tailored program plan

Eastlund said that the reduction in severity or impact of severe weather could be demonstrated as part of a carefully tailored program plan.

"In my opinion, the new technology for use of artificial plasma layers in the atmosphere: as heater elements to modify steering winds, as a modifier of electrostatic potential to influence
lightning distribution, and for generation of acoustic and gravitational waves, could ultimately provide a core technology for a science of severe weather modification," Eastlund told Space.com.

Article is too long for this forum. Here's the rest of it:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2005-10-31-military-
weather_x.htm?csp=34

whitemajikman

11-01-2005, 10:48 AM

Jay Reynolds -- This article is for you! Please include USA Today on your list of people who are terrorizing the country with this kind of talk! Teeeehehhheeeeee!!!!! Good reading, it's a long one!

I guess TPTB think they've created enough catastrophes/disasters that they believe the timing is right for people to now go along with weather modification. They always create a problem so the people will accept their solution which they never would have approved if the problem hadn't existed.

U.S. military wants to own the weather
By Leonard David, Space.com
Posted 10/31/2005 7:02 PM

The one-two hurricane punch from Katrina and Wilma along with predictions of more severe weather in the future has scientists pondering ways to save lives, protect property and possibly even control the weather.

While efforts to tame storms have so far been clouded by failure, some researchers aren't willing to give up the fight. And even if changing the weather proves overly challenging, residents and disaster officials can do a better job planning and reacting.

In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.

While some consider the idea farfetched, some military tacticians have already pondered ways to turn weather into a weapon.

Harbinger of things to come?

The U.S. military reaction in the wake of Hurricane Katrina that slammed the U.S. Gulf coast might be viewed as a harbinger of things to come. While in this case it was joint air and space operations to deal with after-the-fact problems, perhaps the foundation for how to fend off disastrous weather may also be forming.

Numbers of spaceborne assets were tapped, among them:

• Navigation and timing signals from the Global Positioning System (GPS) of satellites;

• The Global Broadcast Service, a one-way, space-based, high-capacity broadcast communication system;

• The Army's Spectral Operations Resource Center to exploit commercial remote sensing satellite imagery and prepare high-resolution images to civilian and military responders to permit a better understanding of the devastated terrain;

• U.S. Air Force Space Command's Space and Missile Systems Center Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) satellites that compared "lights at night" images before and after the disaster to provide data on human activity.

Is it far-fetched to see in this response the embryonic stages of an integrated military/civilian weather reaction and control system?

Mandate to continually improve

The use of space-based equipment to assist in clean-up operations — with a look toward future prospects — was recently noted by General Lance Lord, Commander, Air Force Space Command at an October 20th Pacific Space Leadership Forum in Hawaii.

"We saw first hand the common need for space after the December 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean," Lord said. "Natural disasters don't respect international boundaries. Space capabilities were leveraged immediately after the tsunami to help in the search and rescue effort…but what about before the disaster?"

Lord said that an even better situation is to have predicted the coming disaster and warned those in harm's way. "No matter what your flag or where you wave it from...the possibility of saving hundreds of thousands of people is a mandate to continually improve," he advised.

The U.S. Air Force is also looking at ways to make satellites and satellite launches cheaper and also reduce the amount of time it takes to launch into space from months to weeks to days and hours, Lord said. Having that capability will increase responsiveness to international needs, he said, such as the ability to send up a satellite to help collect information and enhance communications when dealing with international disasters.

Thunderbolts on demand

What would a military strategist gain in having an "on-switch" to the weather?

Clearly, it offers the ability to degrade the effectiveness of enemy forces. That could come from flooding an opponent's encampment or airfield to generating downright downpours that disrupt enemy troop comfort levels. On the flipside, sparking a drought that cuts off fresh water can stir up morale problems for warfighting foes.

Even fooling around with fog and clouds can deny or create concealment — whichever weather manipulation does the needed job.

In this regard, nanotechnology could be utilized to create clouds of tiny smart particles. Atmospherically buoyant, these ultra-small computer particles could navigate themselves to block optical sensors. Alternatively, they might be used to provide an atmospheric electrical potential difference — a way to precisely aim and time lightning strikes over the enemy's head — and thereby concoct thunderbolts on demand.

Perhaps that's too far out for some. But some blue sky thinkers have already looked into these and other scenarios in "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" – a research paper written by a seven-person team of military officers and presented in 1996 as part of a larger study dubbed Air Force 2025.

Global stresses

That report came with requisite disclaimers, such as the views expressed were those of the authors and didn't reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government. Furthermore, the report was flagged as containing fictional representations of future situations and scenarios.

On the other hand, Air Force 2025 was a study that complied with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force "to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future."

"Current technologies that will mature over the next 30 years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale," the authors of the report explained. "Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather-modification ability into a capability."

"In my opinion, the new technology for use of artificial plasma layers in the atmosphere: as heater elements to modify steering winds, as a modifier of electrostatic potential to influence
lightning distribution, and for generation of acoustic and gravitational waves, could ultimately provide a core technology for a science of severe weather modification," Eastlund told Space.com.

Article is too long for this forum. Here's the rest of it:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2005-10-31-military-
weather_x.htm?csp=34

IT WAS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE........

JAY REYNOLDS DOES NOT LIVE IN REALITY OR DEAL IN REALITY........

HE WILL TRY TO DEBUNK THIS ARTICLE TOO.........

AND SAY THAT HE HAS PROVED THE ARTICLE IS BUNK.............

BUT THE FACT REMAINS JAY REYNOLDS IS LOSING HIS LITTLE BATTLE TO TRY AND DISCREDIT WEATHER MANIPULATION AND CLIMATE CHANGE........

MORE PEOPLE EACH DAY ARE BECOMING MORE AWARE OF WHAT IS TRANSPIRING........

AND JAY CAN'T SILENCE THEM ALL........WITH HIS RHETORIC......OR DIS-INFORMATION.......

AS WAS HIS GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING.........

I PREDICTED BY THE END OF THE YEAR THAT THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS OCCURING WILL BE REVEALED ......

AND IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE MY PREDICTION WILL WILL BE REALIZED......

MAIN STREAM MEDIA IS NOW TAKING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG QUITE SERIOUSLY......

JAY IS SUPPOSE TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THE CBC FOR A T.V. PROGRAM HERE IN CANADA.......
BUT I HOPE HE REALIZES THAT HE WILL NOT BE THE ONLY PERSON INTERVIEWED......

AND THAT HIS INTERVIEW IS THE BASIS FOR THE NARROW-MINDED PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IS TRANSPIRING........

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

11-01-2005, 02:37 PM

Be sure to tape the show with Reynolds.

It should be very useful.

BTW---the USA URL needs an edit fix to hot link properly.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2005-10-31-military-weather_x.htm?csp=34

halva

11-01-2005, 02:41 PM

I PREDICTED BY THE END OF THE YEAR THAT THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS OCCURING WILL BE REVEALED ......

AND IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE MY PREDICTION WILL WILL BE REALIZED......

MAIN STREAM MEDIA IS NOW TAKING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG QUITE SERIOUSLY......

I don't believe that there is going to be any 'revelation' that will break down the present barriers between people mobilised around climate change and people concerned about 'the planet as weapon'. The elite maintains its domination not only by hiding realities but by feeding different segments of reality to different audiences, each of which is given its own compulsory spin.

More official acknowledgement of 'the planet as weapon' packaged for the audience who already find this subject interesting is not going automatically to make climate scientists acknowledge that 'geoengineering' is occurring or make military weather modification buffs pay more attention to climate change, as opposed to what tricks the Russians, or the Japanese mafia, or some other alleged climate-modifying terrorists are getting up to.

jayreynolds

11-01-2005, 04:25 PM

I don't believe that there is going to be any 'revelation' that will break down the present barriers between people mobilised around climate change and people concerned about 'the planet as weapon'.
You got that right.

More official acknowledgement of 'the planet as weapon' packaged for the audience who already find this subject interesting is not going automatically to make climate scientists acknowledge that 'geoengineering' is occurring or make military weather modification buffs pay more attention to climate change, as opposed to what tricks the Russians, or the Japanese mafia, or some other alleged climate-modifying terrorists are getting up to.
Yes, Wayne, in order to influence climate scientists you will have to do much better than preposterous claims that 107 tons of anything could make a dent in climate.

Climate scientists need NOT[/size] ravings of internet looneys like Whitey, Toni, or Jimmy, or haxes so easily debunked as "chemtrails".

As I've always said, I personally have no problem with the US military "owning the weather".
I found it interesting that the USAToday article didn't mention the standing UN treaty prohibiting such military weather modification.

halva

11-01-2005, 08:33 PM

But the US military has problems with 'owning the weather'.

And the weather has problems with the US military 'owning' it.

halva

11-01-2005, 08:34 PM

And just give up the pose of the sympathetic, friendly critic. You intolerable cynical and insane swine.

halva

11-01-2005, 08:36 PM

Just do us a favour and emigrate to another planet, will you.

halva

11-01-2005, 08:52 PM

As I've always said, I personally have no problem with the US military "owning the weather".

The full insanity of this animal Reynolds is encapsulated in this remark. "I" have "no problem".

Who - what - is this "I"?????

halva

11-01-2005, 08:53 PM

Back in reactive mode.

I am not going to stay in it.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-01-2005, 09:15 PM

Might as well stick up the entire article, since it isn't that lengthy.

===

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2005-10-31-military-weather_x.htm?csp=34

U.S. military wants to own the weather
By Leonard David, Space.com

The one-two hurricane punch from Katrina and Wilma along with predictions of more severe weather in the future has scientists pondering ways to save lives, protect property and possibly even control the weather.

While efforts to tame storms have so far been clouded by failure, some researchers aren't willing to give up the fight. And even if changing the weather proves overly challenging, residents and disaster officials can do a better job planning and reacting.

In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.

While some consider the idea farfetched, some military tacticians have already pondered ways to turn weather into a weapon.

Harbinger of things to come?

The U.S. military reaction in the wake of Hurricane Katrina that slammed the U.S. Gulf coast might be viewed as a harbinger of things to come. While in this case it was joint air and space operations to deal with after-the-fact problems, perhaps the foundation for how to fend off disastrous weather may also be forming.

Numbers of spaceborne assets were tapped, among them:

• Navigation and timing signals from the Global Positioning System (GPS) of satellites;

• The Global Broadcast Service, a one-way, space-based, high-capacity broadcast communication system;

• The Army's Spectral Operations Resource Center to exploit commercial remote sensing satellite imagery and prepare high-resolution images to civilian and military responders to permit a better understanding of the devastated terrain;

• U.S. Air Force Space Command's Space and Missile Systems Center Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) satellites that compared "lights at night" images before and after the disaster to provide data on human activity.

Is it far-fetched to see in this response the embryonic stages of an integrated military/civilian weather reaction and control system?

Mandate to continually improve

The use of space-based equipment to assist in clean-up operations — with a look toward future prospects — was recently noted by General Lance Lord, Commander, Air Force Space Command at an October 20th Pacific Space Leadership Forum in Hawaii.

"We saw first hand the common need for space after the December 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean," Lord said. "Natural disasters don't respect international boundaries. Space capabilities were leveraged immediately after the tsunami to help in the search and rescue effort…but what about before the disaster?"

Lord said that an even better situation is to have predicted the coming disaster and warned those in harm's way. "No matter what your flag or where you wave it from...the possibility of saving hundreds of thousands of people is a mandate to continually improve," he advised.

The U.S. Air Force is also looking at ways to make satellites and satellite launches cheaper and also reduce the amount of time it takes to launch into space from months to weeks to days and hours, Lord said. Having that capability will increase responsiveness to international needs, he said, such as the ability to send up a satellite to help collect information and enhance communications when dealing with international disasters.

Thunderbolts on demand

What would a military strategist gain in having an "on-switch" to the weather?

Clearly, it offers the ability to degrade the effectiveness of enemy forces. That could come from flooding an opponent's encampment or airfield to generating downright downpours that disrupt enemy troop comfort levels. On the flipside, sparking a drought that cuts off fresh water can stir up morale problems for warfighting foes.

Even fooling around with fog and clouds can deny or create concealment — whichever weather manipulation does the needed job.

In this regard, nanotechnology could be utilized to create clouds of tiny smart particles. Atmospherically buoyant, these ultra-small computer particles could navigate themselves to block optical sensors. Alternatively, they might be used to provide an atmospheric electrical potential difference — a way to precisely aim and time lightning strikes over the enemy's head — and thereby concoct thunderbolts on demand.

Perhaps that's too far out for some. But some blue sky thinkers have already looked into these and other scenarios in "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" – a research paper written by a seven-person team of military officers and presented in 1996 as part of a larger study dubbed Air Force 2025.

Global stresses

That report came with requisite disclaimers, such as the views expressed were those of the authors and didn't reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government. Furthermore, the report was flagged as containing fictional representations of future situations and scenarios.

On the other hand, Air Force 2025 was a study that complied with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force "to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future."

"Current technologies that will mature over the next 30 years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale," the authors of the report explained. "Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather-modification ability into a capability."

Con't

Insurrectionchemistry

11-01-2005, 09:17 PM

Pulling it all together

The report on weather-altering ideas underscored the capacity to harness such power in the not too distant future.

"Assuming that in 2025 our national security strategy includes weather-modification, its use in our national military strategy will naturally follow. Besides the significant benefits an operational capability would provide, another motivation to pursue weather-modification is to deter and counter potential adversaries," the report stated. "The technology is there, waiting for us to pull it all together," the authors noted.

In 2025, the report summarized, U.S. aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications.

"Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures," the report concluded.

But if whipping up weather can be part of a warfighter's tool kit, couldn't those talents be utilized to retarget or neutralize life, limb and property-destroying storms?

All-weather worries

"It is time to provide funds for application of the scientific method to weather modification and control," said Bernard Eastlund, chief technical officer and founder of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation in San Diego, California.

Eastlund's background is in plasma physics and commercial applications of microwave plasmas. At a lecture early this month at Penn State Lehigh Campus in Fogelsville, Pennsylvania, he outlined new concepts for electromagnetic wave interactions with the atmosphere that, among a range of jobs, could be applied to weather modification research.

"The technology of artificial ionospheric heating could be as important for weather modification research as accelerators have been for particle physics," Eastlund explained.

In September, Eastland filed a patent on a way to create artificial ionized plasma patterns with megawatts of power using inexpensive microwave power sources. This all-weather technique, he noted, can be used to heat specific regions of the atmosphere.

Eastlund's research is tuned to artificial generation of acoustic and gravitational waves in the atmosphere. The heating of steering winds to help shove around mesocyclones and hurricanes, as well as controlling electrical conductivity of the atmosphere is also on his investigative agenda.

Carefully tailored program plan

Eastlund said that the reduction in severity or impact of severe weather could be demonstrated as part of a carefully tailored program plan.

"In my opinion, the new technology for use of artificial plasma layers in the atmosphere: as heater elements to modify steering winds, as a modifier of electrostatic potential to influence lightning distribution, and for generation of acoustic and gravitational waves, could ultimately provide a core technology for a science of severe weather modification," Eastlund told Space.com.

The first experiments of a program, Eastlund emphasized, would be very small, and designed for safety. For example, a sample of air in a jet stream could be heated with a pilot experimental installation. Such experiments would utilize relatively small amounts of power, between one and ten megawatts, he pointed out.

Both ground-based and space weather diagnostic instruments could measure the effect. Computer simulations could compare these results with predicted effects. This process can be iterated until reliable information is obtained on the effects of modifying the wind.

Computer simulations of hurricanes, Eastlund continued, are designed to determine the most important wind fields in hurricane formation. Computer simulations of mesocyclones use steering wind input data to predict severe storm development.

After about 5 years of such research, and further development of weather codes, a pilot experiment to modify the steering winds of a mesocylone might be safely attempted. Such an experiment would probably require 50 to 100 megawatts, Eastlund speculated.

"I estimate this new science of weather modification will take 10 to 20 years to mature to the point where it is useful for controlling the severity and impact of severe weather systems as large as hurricanes," Eastlund explained.

Inadvertent effects?

Another reason for embarking on this new science could be to make sure inadvertent effects of existing projects, such as the heating of the ionosphere and modifications of the polar electrojet, are not having effects on weather, Eastlund stated.

As example, Eastlund pointed to the High frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP). This is a major Arctic facility for upper atmospheric and solar-terrestrial research, being built on a Department of Defense-owned site near Gakona, Alaska.

Eastlund wonders if HAARP does, in fact, generate gravity waves. If so, can those waves in turn influence severe weather systems?

Started in 1990, the unclassified HAARP program is jointly managed by the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory and the Office of Naval Research. Researchers at the site make use of a high-power ionospheric research instrument to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere for scientific study, observing and measuring the excited region using a suite of devices.

The fundamental goal of research conducted at the facility is to study and understand natural phenomena occurring in the Earth's ionosphere and near-space environment. According to the HAARP website, those scientific investigations will have major value in the design of future communication and navigation systems for both military and civilian use.

Messing with Mother Nature

Who best to have their hands on the weather control switches?

The last large hurricane modification experiments — under Project Stormfury — were carried out by the U.S. Air Force, Eastlund said. "It is likely the Department of Defense would be the lead agency in any new efforts in severe storm modification."

Additionally, federal laboratories with their extensive computational modeling skills would also play a lead role in the development of a science of weather modification. NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) would find their respective niches too. The satellite diagnostic capabilities in those agencies would play a strong role, Eastlund suggested.

It appears that only modest amounts of government dollars have been spent on weather modification over the last five years.

"Hurricane Katrina could cost $300 billion by itself," Eastlund said. "In my opinion, it is time for a serious scientific effort in weather modification."

"Global warming appears to be a reality, and records could continue to fall in the hurricane severity sweepstakes," Eastlund said. "When I first suggested the use of space-based assets for the prevention of tornadoes, many people expressed their displeasure with 'messing with Mother Nature'. I still remember hiding in the closet of our house in Houston as a tornado passed overhead. It is time for serious, controlled research, with the emphasis on safety, for the good of mankind," he concluded.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-01-2005, 09:38 PM

Most interesting, seems like WMM listed a piece recently on the Star War associations to the Weather Control methods. One of those associations is in the article.

One can see one of my ideas from more than twenty years ago now that relates to Star Wars methods. The "Lightning Bolts on Command" is pretty simple. It uses a combination of UV LASER to ionize the air and a layer of barium laid in the upper ionosphere for a bigger punch.

Barium has one of the lowest ionization potentials and will ionize with just normal light wavelengths, forming a highly conductive plasma enhancement.

Fire a UV LASER through the enhanced plasma electrode, and the air will ionize along the LASER's pathway. As the ionization trace comes close to the ground a huge air breakdown of the Earth's potential gradient's voltage occurs with a massive energy release. Energy of the same magnitude of the Tunguska Blast in Russia.

It derives its power from the Sun via the Van Allen effects charging up the Potential Gradient.

There has been lots of research on UV LASERS guiding lighting in recent years and some of the techniques are used to protect areas from lightning discharges by triggering a discharge into specific areas. It is very interesting to see a lighting discharge follow almost the exact line of a LASER's beam pathway through the air.

Tesla based his Free Energy ideas on this potential gradient effect.

halva

11-02-2005, 03:07 AM

In order to influence climate scientists you will have to do much better than preposterous claims that 107 tons of anything could make a dent in climate.

The reference, of course, is to a passage in the most recent IPCC report, so it seems that the way to influence climate scientists is to tell them that what they write in their official publications is garbage.

If one can generate a situation where (to quote Brian Holmes' intro to my 'Climate Change Jekylls and Hydes') 'scientists advocate measures which they simultaneously ridicule and deny are being implemented' then one generates cognitive dissonance in the public, otherwise known as 'divide-and-rule'.

Reynolds, either as a job or a (for him) psychologically satisfying hobby, implements this would-be divide-and-rule strategy in his postings. It is as simple as that..

Its internal contradiction is the same contradiction as that which is present in the stance of the conspiracy theorist.

A similar phenomenon was present in the society of the Aztecs, who carried out human sacrifices to their god Quetzalcoatl in order to appease his anger at their custom of carrying out human sacrifices (to their god Quetzalcoatl).....

As a method of government it is in conflict with your American constitution and with the notion of the Rule of Law.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-02-2005, 06:48 AM

Simple rule is Reynolds is a GOP crook.

The GOP crooks rule by constant spin, and negating truth telling to the public.

halva

11-02-2005, 07:51 AM

whitemajikman

11-02-2005, 10:19 AM

Why does he keep coming back again and again to the same transparent bullshit?

Who does he think is deceived by it?

Why doesn't he practise it somewhere else where he still might be able to sucker some people?

because that is his job .........

figure it out.........and fast......

he works for either the N.S.A or the C.I.A........

look at his cover........

retired steam tubine engineer and respectable organic farmer........

he has in the past reported to congress that weather manipulation was not being implemented via chemtrails..........he should have been locked up for lying .......right there and then.......for commiting perjury.........

but wasn't........

He was associated with the late Bill Cooper and in my opinion led to his demise..........

he now finds himself in New Orleans..........and for what purpose...?

he has let slip......that he would "support the U.S. owning the weather"........and his whole propaganda and dis-information war supports his words............

Jay Reynolds is a tool of the U.S. Military/Industrial Complex...........and a willing one.......

he condones experimentation without the publics knowledge.........and works towards deflecting the scrutiny of the public.........

it is the same reason that he constantly goes after footsoldier ........because footsoldier is pretty close to unravelling the entire problem.......

and it is the same reason that he goes after Jim...........

and why he tends to treat this entire matter like one big game of chess.........

but now it is him who is in check...............

WMM

Boomer Chick

11-02-2005, 10:30 AM

Great article, still no smoking gun of the present.

The article emphasized the future capabilities of our ongoing investigative science even regarding HAARP, but didn't admit nor point out any capabilities at this time other than some local fog-creating, fog clearing, and rain making capabilities.

I found it interesting that Eastlund was featured as well.

Halva, you're getting out of hand and your name-calling is offensive.

What is your problem?

Jay is entitled to his opinions whether you agree with them or not. And you could never be an ambassador for any country lacking in skills regarding even a modicum of tact and diplomacy. And you continue to push your theories that ongoing weather control of some kind happens above our heads and yet you fail to find evidence and supporting research.

Because certain projects may be "top secret" does not mean we have the obligation and authority to ASSUME all manner of false notions.

I'm on my own side, no one else's and I need information and data to form an opinion. Obviously you don't.

Kick me now, Halva, you little prick!

Boomer Chick

11-02-2005, 10:32 AM

because that is his job .........

figure it out.........and fast......

he works for either the N.S.A or the C.I.A........

look at his cover........

retired steam tubine engineer and respectable organic farmer........

he has in the past reported to congress that weather manipulation was not being implemented via chemtrails..........he should have been locked up for lying .......right there and then.......for commiting perjury.........

but wasn't........

He was associated with the late Bill Cooper and in my opinion led to his demise..........

he now finds himself in New Orleans..........and for what purpose...?

he has let slip......that he would "support the U.S. owning the weather"........and his whole propaganda and dis-information war supports his words............

Jay Reynolds is a tool of the U.S. Military/Industrial Complex...........and a willing one.......

he condones experimentation without the publics knowledge.........and works towards deflecting the scrutiny of the public.........

it is the same reason that he constantly goes after footsoldier ........because footsoldier is pretty close to unravelling the entire problem.......

and it is the same reason that he goes after Jim...........

and why he tends to treat this entire matter like one big game of chess.........

but now it is him who is in check...............

WMM

I'm not understanding your negative energy here. Did I miss something somewhere along the line? Do you have evidence to back up your claims regarding Reynolds?

halva

11-02-2005, 11:39 AM

Halva, you're getting out of hand and your name-calling is offensive.

What is your problem?

Jay is entitled to his opinions whether you agree with them or not.

I see that I have not convinced you that it is not a question of 'opinions' but of a strategy I find insulting to our intelligence. I wonder why the element of internal contradiction in it doesn't bother you.

And you could never be an ambassador for any country lacking in skills regarding even a modicum of tact and diplomacy.

The rules of high diplomacy are utterly irrelevant, for the demeanour and style of a Reynolds are not deployed in the councils of the elite, but only for keeping us 'plebs' in order, something which, again, clearly does not bother you.

And you continue to push your theories that ongoing weather control of some kind happens above our heads and yet you fail to find evidence and supporting research.

If you paid a little more attention (or thought a little more clearly) you would have observed that my argument does not involve undertaking the assignment that our taskmaster Raynolds sets us of 'proving' that anything is happening in reality. It confines itself to pointing out what the IPCC demonstrably advocates. .

Because certain projects may be "top secret" does not mean we have the obligation and authority to ASSUME all manner of false notions.

Yes, I quite understand that in your book the only person who has any authority here is your protege Mr Reynolds.

I'm on my own side, no one else's and I need information and data to form an opinion. Obviously you don't.

Kick me now, Halva, you little prick!

BC, can't you just post your information and desist from the temptation to play the mistress of ceremonies in this whorehouse, which is disgraced by the presence of anti-social elements that make us unable ever, ever to invite here ANYBODY of any seriousness.

When you do it, as you inevitably do in the quiet aftermath of every new thwarted molestation from Reynolds, it is a power play, favouring your buddy's return, and I will ALWAYS react against it.

whitemajikman

11-02-2005, 12:05 PM

I'm not understanding your negative energy here. Did I miss something somewhere along the line? Do you have evidence to back up your claims regarding Reynolds?

MY NEGATIVE ENERGY STEMS FROM JAY REYNOLDS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DERAIL SCRUTINY OF WEATHER MANIPULATION AND CLIMATE CHANGE.......

SURE HE IS A SKEPTIC.....

BUT EVEN SKEPTICS AGREE SOME OF THE TIME........AND JAY HAS NOT AGREED TO ANYTHING WE HAVE THUS PUT OUT.........

IN FACT HE IS NOT GENUINELY INTERESTED IN ANYTHING WE PUT OUT........HIS MAIN FOCUS IS IN TRYING TO CREATE A SENSE OF DISBELIEF FOR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE.....FOCUSED AT THE READERS OF THIS FORUM........

AND AT THE EXPENCE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS........

HE DOES NOT HONESTLY DEBATE ANY OF THE ISSUES PRESENTED.....BUT INSTEAD TRIES TO TAKE ON THE ROLE OF BEING "constantly right" WHICH HE IS NOT........AND WHICH IS A DECPTIVE TACTIC THAT HE HAS GROWN QUITE FOND OF.......BECAUSE IT USED TO WORK UP UNTIL .......HE STARTED POSTING HERE........AS THE RESIDENT SKEPTIC..........

HE ALSO ENDORSES THE U.S. BID TO "OWN" THE WEATHER...........

BUT DENOUNCES ANYONE TRYING TO SAY THAT WEATHER MANIPULATION IS OCCURING........AND THAT EXPERIMENTATION BOTH MILITARY AND SCIENTIFIC IS NOT OCCURING WITHOUT THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE.........

DO YOU SEE THE HYPOCRICY .........? BOOMER..........?

MY OBSERVATION STEMS FROM OBSERVING HIM OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS...........

BILL COOPER WAS MY FRIEND...........AND DID NOT TRUST JAY REYNOLDS...........HE SUSPECTED WHAT I POSTED ...........AND PAID WITH HIS LIFE.........

DO SOME INVESTIGATION IF YOU DIS-BELIEVE WHAT I AM SAYING........

BUT I STAND BY MY OBSERVATIONS............

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

11-02-2005, 01:20 PM

Put extremely simply. The lines in the skies are there by design. If they were not a desired outcome, they would not be there.

What puts them there was designs twenty years ago due to concerns over global warming factors rising from the missed UV-b factors on the Ocean's surface cooling.

How that desired outcome came to be is all about chemical process changes in the fuel and combusion process to get the desired outcome for lingering lines changing into lingering haze.

When you have non-technical persons who can't make assiciations of HAARP requiring plasma to work, then one should not expect the same person to be able to make the more involved associations that support chemtrails efforts.

When one wants to make a Global Shield, it takes system wide design changes in fuels and combusion systems. And this was and is being done on a global basis.

Anyone with one eye can see the results of those chemical process design changes by observing the lines in the skies over many areas.

halva

11-02-2005, 01:23 PM

Phenomenally many areas, it seems.

It must rate as the largest undertaking in the history of the human race.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-02-2005, 01:39 PM

When the DOE and National Labs failed to notice the global warming effects attrituble to UV-b factors, this caused a global disaster for which they were supposed to have been aware long before.

Such a large mistake requires an equally large attempt for repair.

The US won't formally admit the huge mistake on oversight in regard to the UV-b factors screwing up the global warming process, and likewise, neither will they formally admit of the "Global Shield" methods using jet planes.

The Govt. types that seek this denial use crooked GOP pundits like Jay Reynolds to attempt to deny what is totally obvious once one sees the big screw up on UV-b and Ocean Cooling factors, and the extreme needs to attempt to correct for that huge oversight mistake.

The process involves not only jet planes to address the problems, but dragging feet on things like coal emissions that also play into the cloud making and cloud shielding processes for the planet.

It is all about methods to correct for the damage from the UV-b to oceans, which causes the loss of the cloud system formations over large areas of oceans that in turn upsets many factors tied to global warming.

We could see the ocean current effects coming early on due to the "El Nino" type effects in the mid-80s that were causing problems in California. We knew the ocean currents and warming trends were certain factors. The Spannish "Christ Child" type association for the effect stuck, as it is all about the End-Times type predictions and the indicators assigned to Christ.

Now these effects are driving the larger, more frequent hurricanes that are devastating the US. While the Bush cover ups attempted not to address those problems to promote his Middle East expansionism.

It is also driving the polar ice melts, which the Bush GOP types want to use to expand arctic oil drilling. The effects will devastate many countries that are low lying, but for the Bush types they see it as a bonanza. Just so long as they can keep the problems hidden from the environmentalist community, which they see as enemies to their designs.

Persons like Jay Reynolds are essential for the GOP process of more lies to fool the dumbed down American public, which was easily dupped into a false Iraq war. They will be similarly dupped into allowing an environmental holocaust for GOP oil money coffers.

The whole mess is no more honest than the corrupted Bush games for the Iraq war. America is driven by the need to cover up these days, moreso than being honest and accountable with the American people.

jayreynolds

11-02-2005, 04:26 PM

Wayne, the facts of the matter, which I have mentioned to you probably a dozen times, and which not a single chemmie seems to have realized, is that your figure of 107 tons of anything could change earths' climate, is incorrect.

At this point, it seems useless to tell it to you again, so this is the last time I will mention it.
The fact that thus far ou haven't asked a real scientist to verify that what I say is true tells me you haven't actually broachd the subject using that figure with anyone who is competent. In a way I now hope that the false information will be endlessly promulgated, which will have the effect of your people discrediting themselves even further than you already have. Kowing the propensity ofr chemmies to simply parrot false 'information', most likely the process of self-immolation has already begun. You foolish suckers!

As far as what I am doing in New Orleans, it happens to be an excellent place right now to study in detail a long time subject of interest to me- water survival situations. I have gathered some very interesting material and hopefully will benefit myself and others in the future. I am also studying other safety related issues, and firefighting.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-02-2005, 05:26 PM

Translated----all that means is GOP Reynolds is down in New Orleans to attempt to correct the Bush revolt down there that is going to toss the GOP out of office in 2006 and 2008.

The GOP is pouring money into the situation, that is going to be extremely expensive as the oceans continue to rise via global warming damage effects of polar ice melts.

Reynolds is a hired GOP political hack and always has been. He attempts to put out BushFires, which are getting hotter in hurricane country. Reynolds won't dare tell the people down there about the oil field subsidence effects or man's influnces on the weather via ocean surface temps that pushed Karina.

Bush is on the fast track into Hell, and trying to keep up with his buddy Reynolds rate of decent for telling tooooo many lies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005327.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

halva

11-02-2005, 09:37 PM

your figure of 107 tons of anything could change earths' climate, is incorrect.

At this point, it seems useless to tell it to you again, so this is the last time I will mention it.

Please don't allow this to be another lie.

spirithelps

11-03-2005, 10:20 AM

[QUOTE=halva]Yes, I quite understand that in your book the only person who has any authority here is your protege Mr Reynolds.QUOTE]

In 2000, Jay had a supposedly female poster who always backed him up. She went by Christie Swedishdoo back then. I'm wondering if Boomer Chick might not be this chick.

halva

11-03-2005, 11:53 AM

BC is more complicated than that. Reynolds did not bring her here. She came here as someone on 'our side'. to help us 'stand up to Reynolds' and in a peculiar metaphysical way she 'is' on 'our side'.

But for her 'freedom of speech' is a matter of principle. She has learned to equate it with 'the American way of life'.

It does not register with her how many people's freedom of speech Reynolds has buried.

Nor does she comprehend the political consequences of her worship of 'freedom of speech'.

She does not understand that in a war nobody can acknowledge the enemy's 'right' to freedom of speech.

In fact she applies the principle selectively, in a way that always just happens to benefit whoever she thinks is stronger.

whitemajikman

11-03-2005, 01:14 PM

jayreynolds

11-03-2005, 03:23 PM

It does not register with her how many people's freedom of speech Reynolds has buried.
To the contray, Wayne. I never have attempted to silence anyone.
You, on the other hand, have not only done so on this and many other forums, it is a veritable hallmark of 'Wayne hall", to deny speech to anyone whom he opposes. It is Wayne's first reaction when he is confronted by anyone whose opinions differ from his own.

Wayne, I challenge you to show any instance whatsoever where I ever advocated denial of speech to anyone at all.
The facts are actually quite clear. I challenge any of you to actual debate, by asking probing questions which become revealing, and by exposing logical or factual flaws in your actions, statements, and claims. Don't blame me if you fall silent when faced with embarrassment over your own failures. Sorry, not my fault.

In actuality, I do everyone a big favor when I correct you. You could actually learn quite a bit from these experiences, but your false pride appears to overcome such reasoning and leads you ever deeper into falsity and ends up submerging you ever deeper into a pit of lies.

Again, not my fault. Look in the mirror, chemmies, to see your biggest oppressor.

In fact she applies the principle selectively, in a way that always just happens to benefit whoever she thinks is stronger.

What a crock.
Wayne, is there any depth of hypocrisy in which you refuse to reside?
YOU have always advocated selectivity in who should be allowed speech.
You've made no secret of it.
You have absolutely no room for complaints regarding others who advocate such freedom over your brand of fascistic censorship.

halva

11-03-2005, 04:19 PM

I have simply said that anthropogenic climate change debunkers must be marginalized for the the sake of the continued existence of higher life forms on earth.

Many climate scientists say the same thing, but they wait for some magic authority figure (some Big Daddy) to marginalize the Lomborgs and Crichtons for them rather than realizing that if it is to be done they have to do it themselves.

Transparency on the subject of geoengineering, whether at the level of policy proposals, which are part of the acknowledged public record, or at the level of practice, which is not part of the acknowledged public record but visible to anyone with eyes, provides the instrument for marginalizing climate change debunkers, for the debunkers can deal with the geoengineering phenomenon only through denial.

And they can get away with this denial only because aided and abetted by politically timid (and/or confused) climate scientists.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-03-2005, 06:56 PM

It is not too hard to see Jay Reynolds works to cover up the human induced global warming factors, by varied misleading means.

Jay Reynolds attempts to put all the blame on increased Solar effects, which is not the case. He wants to mislead the public.

Similarly, Jay Reynolds wants to suppress the measures in place that change the climate impact of Jet planes via chemical processing methods. Chemtrails techniques that make for lines in the skies and persistent clouds. Those lines would not be there, unless there was clear intent of design to do it.

Should there be any accusing fingers of someone being dishonest, all point to Reynolds GOP scamming. The same sort of scamming the public that brought the American public into buying into faked up wars. The same sort of scamming that keeps the public from learning of the Ocean damage effects connected to Global Warming and UV-b effects.

Bottom Line, Jay Reynolds is a GOP crook.

halva

11-03-2005, 08:27 PM

Reynolds (and BC too, unfortunately) demands that we recognize his RIGHT to tell us (and others) lies and insult one's intelligence.

halva

11-03-2005, 08:39 PM

America and the world are (mis) governed the way they are and headed for their/our probable fate because there are still very many people who think that Reynolds and others like him DO indeed have the RIGHT to do what they do and say what they say.

What they have is not the RIGHT, but the POWER, and it amounts to the power to bring not only us, but also themselves, to ruin.

Some people have got to the position where they compare the present American regime to the Nazis. When making comparisons of this kind, one should bear in mind that the Nazis' intentions were to enslave and if necessary kill what they thought of as 'the lower races'. It did not include themselves and is worth bearing in mind when pondering over the outcome of the Second World War.

halva

11-03-2005, 09:02 PM

halva

11-03-2005, 10:21 PM

These people thought that by supporting "the West" they would be getting the Nazis.

But they were wrong.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-04-2005, 10:49 AM

Reynolds is a Bush GOP lapdog.

Reynolds' objectives are to keep all heat off oil company problems, be it with jet emissions or the global warming tied to human causations.

Reynolds has long standing ties with Hess oil's GOP oriented global oil control quest. Making Reynolds one of Condi Rice's Aspens.

====

http://www.rense.com/general68/takeback.htm

Republicans

Thomas Keane, 9-11 Commission chairman, Amerada Hess, tied to Big Oil and
major deals in the Caspian Basin region

jayreynolds

11-04-2005, 01:02 PM

Similarly, Jay Reynolds wants to suppress the measures in place that change the climate impact of Jet planes via chemical processing methods. Chemtrails techniques that make for lines in the skies and persistent clouds. .

Jimbo, no one has more consistently asked for confirmable documentation of your claims than I have. There are two threads at this forum which dwell at length on the subject, and the record there shows a disinct inability and even unwillingness on your part to show any evidence whatsoever. Siegmund has also shown that your chemical fantasies are not rooted in either fact or logic.

In short, Jimbo, no one here has "suppressed" you, but rather you have "suppressed" yourself from giving specific information which would be of value to YOUR OWN PEOPLE

Why would you do that, Jimbo?
Please give one good reason.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-04-2005, 01:48 PM

Ziggy can't read and follows the lead of crooked GOP's big oil Jay Reynolds. Both quite obviously cover up artists.

The truth is out there, for anyone that can read.

Including the abundant documentation that supports the Global Shield technique.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-04-2005, 02:04 PM

halva

11-04-2005, 02:11 PM

Insurrectionchemistry

11-04-2005, 04:26 PM

You're the one that went off and recruited her, so don't forget to kick thyself.

With Democrates like BC, you don't need a GOP type around.

BC is characteristic of why the Democrats are being lead around by the nose in DC these days, they all seem to have only tiny powers of reason in the complex political arena.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/182514/1_22_110505_maradona_morales.jpg

See if you can find a real Democrat sometime, this one looks fake.

BC has been working against you a long time and building up Reynolds with the moderator.

Looks like BC, Reynolds, and LIB are all one happy little family selling the Reynolds GOP line.

halva

11-04-2005, 09:39 PM

You're the one that went off and recruited her, so don't forget to kick thyself.

The first batch of volunteers that had come in to help had all wearied and given up. Would it have been preferable to give up myself also? She wanted to get involved. Perhaps that should have made me suspicious.

With Democrates like BC, you don't need a GOP type around.

This is it is not so very convincing laying it all on the GOP. It may be the Republicans that have taken the lead in cooking elections, but the Democrats, with very few prominent exceptions as far as I can see (is Jesse Jackson an exception?) are trying to cover up the fact that elections are cooked..

BC is characteristic of why the Democrats are being lead around by the nose in DC these days, they all seem to have only tiny powers of reason in the complex political arena.

I hate to entertain the idea of her being characteristic of anything.

Even if honest elections were still being held, what would voting for the Democrats change? . This playing around with the two poles of a fake debate is itself the problem.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/182514/1_22_110505_maradona_morales.jpg

See if you can find a real Democrat sometime, this one looks fake.

I'm not going to try to find anybody, Democrat or otherwise. One cannot invite to this forum people one likes and respects.

BC has been working against you a long time and building up Reynolds with the moderator.

Where has this been going on? Publicly, or in private? And if in private, how do you know about it?

Looks like BC, Reynolds, and LIB are all one happy little family selling the Reynolds GOP line.

One can issue the invitation again, of course, to transfer the discussion to the closed forum we already have, or to another closed forum. But it is no use doing this unless EVERYONE we want comes along.

WMM came to the closed forum, but he has not posted anything there. Perhaps he was just curious to see what was going on there, which is not much, these days.

He still wants to argue with Reynolds. And so does Footsoldier. So do you.

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 04:41 AM

Translated----all that means is GOP Reynolds is down in New Orleans to attempt to correct the Bush revolt down there that is going to toss the GOP out of office in 2006 and 2008.

We Americans aren't sure whether we will have any elections in the future, or whether GWB will be our dictator forever.

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 04:44 AM

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 04:45 AM

[QUOTE=spirithelps]

SWEDISHOO NOW CALLS MAV'S VIPERS DEN HOME.............

BOOMER IS NOT SWEDISHOO......

WMM

If not, then they learned techniques from the same book.

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 04:55 AM

Many of the people in Eastern Europe that 'the West' helped to overthrow Soviet power thought (and still think) that the Nazis were better than the Communists. But it is not unusual to hear the same people saying now that they live worse now than they did under the Communists.

This relates to the UN too. It's a sham US design to take control of the world. Bush is a sham and is part of their game . . . everything's going just like they want and Bush is playing his part very well. Our presidents all do what they're supposed to, or they would not be president (they surely aren't elected by US citizens).

Once they get guns away from the American people, we will all succumb to what they want. The UN = the world's elite.

The one good thing about America is that it's so large and culturally diverse from one side to the other. It will be very difficult to take control of so many people all at once. Lots of hills and hollers in the US and lots of patriots. People here are getting ready for the big battle. Fight or flee.

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 05:05 AM

BC has helped Reynolds make his comeback in this round too.

Not considering that it is only our presence that prevents her from being driven away herself , as Toni Thayer quite possibly has.

There is a logic to playing doormats in this way in real life. But I'm beginning to wonder if anything is to be achieved by doing it on the internet also.

Who's the moderator? Boot 'em out. We don't allow it in other forums and never have the constant bickering back and forth anymore now that we've learned how to deal with it. It's like an undisciplined child. What do you do? Give 'em the rules, and if they don't play by the rules -- boot 'em out.

This forum has so much back and forth with these geeks, you have to dig through the gunk to get to the good stuff. This is exactly their plan to turn seekers away and your bickering gives them power in that regard.

If you can't boot 'em out, ignore 'em and converse amongst yourselves as if they were not there. This makes them useless and what they say irrelevant. Look at what's important . . . getting the truth out or trying to persuade a gov operative to change his, "paid for" byline (this ain't gonna happen).

Don't give them power, take it away.

spirithelps

11-05-2005, 05:14 AM

The one good thing about America is that it's so large and culturally diverse from one side to the other. It will be very difficult to take control of so many people all at once.

This is where the flu and "natural" disasters come in. Our new health emergency laws say it all . . . quarantine, taking people without anyone else knowing where they are, forcing treatment and "vaccinations".

With Hurricane Katrina, the first thing they did was give orders to shoot to kill and take away private guns.

halva

11-06-2005, 07:39 AM

Who's the moderator? Boot 'em out. We don't allow it in other forums and never have the constant bickering back and forth anymore now that we've learned how to deal with it. It's like an undisciplined child. What do you do? Give 'em the rules, and if they don't play by the rules -- boot 'em out.

This forum has so much back and forth with these geeks, you have to dig through the gunk to get to the good stuff. This is exactly their plan to turn seekers away and your bickering gives them power in that regard.

If you can't boot 'em out, ignore 'em and converse amongst yourselves as if they were not there. This makes them useless and what they say irrelevant. Look at what's important . . . getting the truth out or trying to persuade a gov operative to change his, "paid for" byline (this ain't gonna happen).

Don't give them power, take it away.

BC managed to get the moderators here to suspend Jim Phelps for a week. But he was so angry about it that he stayed away for a lot longer than that.

Later on, when I was moderator and tried to stop Reynolds from harassing Footsoldier, the senior moderators intervened and told both Reynolds and me to lay off (again for a week). I played by their rules but Reynolds responded by sending in one of his proxies to continue harassing us and after two or three days had already talked the senior moderators into lifting his suspension. The whole incident and its aftermath was embarrassing for any notion that there is any attempt at impartial moderating here.

Ignoring Reynolds and company is not an option, I'm afraid.

halva

11-10-2005, 06:38 AM

bump

jayreynolds

11-10-2005, 07:24 AM

BC managed to get the moderators here to suspend Jim Phelps for a week. But he was so angry about it that he stayed away for a lot longer than that.

Later on, when I was moderator and tried to stop Reynolds from harassing Footsoldier, the senior moderators intervened and told both Reynolds and me to lay off (again for a week). I played by their rules but Reynolds responded by sending in one of his proxies to continue harassing us and after two or three days had already talked the senior moderators into lifting his suspension. The whole incident and its aftermath was embarrassing for any notion that there is any attempt at impartial moderating here.

Well, Wayne, your own style of "moderation" was anything but impartial. You were deleting anything you wanted, which was anything which embarrassed your people. The true facts of the matter were that BC's complaints got Jimbo dumped from the forum, got you appointed as moderator, then she got you dumped as moderator.

For the record.

halva

11-10-2005, 08:09 AM

I explained when I accepted the position that I would not be moderating according to my own principles, which would be immediately to exclude permanently anybody claiming to 'know' that large aerosol spraying in the earth's atmosphere is NOT going on.

No, I said I would moderate according to the principles laid out by the more established moderators here, which, as became apparent, they were able to formulate but not adhere to.

Starting a discussion on this is about as purposeful as rank-and-file Democrats and Republicans in the USA demanding fair elections.

Continue talking about it if you like, Raynolds. It serves as well as any other subject as a diversion.

jayreynolds

11-10-2005, 12:32 PM

Starting a discussion on this is about as purposeful as rank-and-file Democrats and Republicans in the USA demanding fair elections.

Continue talking about it if you like, Raynolds. It serves as well as any other subject as a diversion.

Hey, you and Toni brought it all up, Wayne. Then you bumped it back into discussion.
Don't blame me for starting it, when I didn't.

Your lies don't go unnoticed, for the record......

Insurrectionchemistry

11-10-2005, 04:36 PM

Oh my the delusional Jay Reynolds says Global Warming isn't real, NOW an entire country says it is real.

Denials of Global Warming by crooked GOP pundits like Jay Reynolds bring massive harm to the entire world, and particularly so to the US.

Jay Reynolds GOP crimes, like faked up lies for false wars, have depleted the US treasury of funds needed to deal with the worsening Global Warming issues in the US.

====

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4423590.stm

UK 'may lose climate influence'

Lord May says global warming may have helped cause Hurricane Katrina's
ferocity

The UK may lose influence in the debate on climate change because of its own
poor performance in cutting greenhouse gasses, a top scientist has warned.
Royal Society head Lord May said the UK risked missing its Kyoto targets
after its emissions rose for two years.

"It is very difficult to criticise other countries such as the US who will
not meet their Kyoto targets if we are unable to meet commitments," he said.

His statement came ahead of a climate change debate in the House of Lords.

Meanwhile, leading academics have warned that scarce and expensive energy
supplies will become the norm in the UK.

In this report, by the UK Energy Research Centre, experts said changes to the
way people use and produce energy would be needed, and some nuclear power
must be kept.

In his separate warning, Lord May said Department of Environment, Food and
Rural Affairs (Defra) figures showed UK greenhouse gas emissions were currently
12.6% below 1990 levels, compared with a target of a 12.5% cut to be achieved
in 2012.

But he warned emissions had risen for two years running.

Lord May of Oxford was also responding to Tony Blair's comments last week.

The prime minister said the "blunt truth about the politics of climate
change" was that no country would want to sacrifice its economy to meet the
challenge, although they all knew they must develop on a "sustainable basis".

'Bigger sacrifices'

Lord May said the "blunt truth" was that countries were not doing enough to
adapt their economies and reduce emissions, and the developed world "may
already be making bigger sacrifices in dealing with the consequences of climate
change".

"Warmer oceans are causing more intense tropical storms and nobody can say
that global warming played no part in the unusual ferocity of Hurricanes
Katrina, Rita and Wilma," he said.

He said damage caused by Katrina alone was equivalent to 1.7% of US GDP.

However, he stressed the cost in the developing world would be "even
greater".

He said research had shown a drop in rainfall in Ethiopia and surrounding
countries, where millions already faced serious food shortages, was caused by a
rise in sea temperatures in the southern Indian Ocean.

"In the developing world, climate change is about life and death, not just
domestic economics," he said.

Lord May called for political "courage".

"What we need is courage from our political leaders both within and outside
government, to take the actions necessary to reduce our emissions," he said.

PHANTOM

11-10-2005, 05:49 PM

" "What we need is courage from our political leaders both within and outside
government, to take the actions necessary to reduce our emissions," he said. "

as they read this...........

our political leaders that is.................

they fart in our general direction............

Insurrectionchemistry

11-10-2005, 05:55 PM

Ha..

Anyone have a photo of Jay Reynolds? We need to pass it along to the Phantom.

You all know the Jay Reynolds that was a no-show for a radio program.

jayreynolds

11-10-2005, 06:41 PM

Ha..

Anyone have a photo of Jay Reynolds? We need to pass it along to the Phantom.

You all know the Jay Reynolds that was a no-show for a radio program.

Jimbo doesn't know much about the Circus.

halva

11-10-2005, 09:26 PM

But the organizers of the radio programme in question have now been informed about Jay Reynolds.

jayreynolds

11-11-2005, 04:30 AM

But the organizers of the radio programme in question have now been informed about Jay Reynolds.
No problem, Wayne. I operate in transparency and am confident in my success, without even trying.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-11-2005, 07:22 PM

Yup, Jay Elmer Gantry Reynolds is pretty transparent to most of das world.

Jay-Jay makes the whole world go round in his little mind each day.

I think a good shrink might be able to help you, ask for some control drugs.

halva

11-11-2005, 09:40 PM

Reynolds identifies with his government. He derives his confidence from this. He is not 'insane' in any clinical sense, any more than Adolf Hitler was insane. His thinking is entirely political, without the slightest ethical or moral component, and if it so happens that his political judgement is wrong, as I believe, then he will have to face the consequences of this error, however they play themselves out in his environment.

Swedishoo

11-19-2005, 09:34 AM

spirithelps ~ Toni Thayer, writes:

In 2000, Jay had a supposedly female poster who always backed him up. She went by Christie Swedishdoo back then. I'm wondering if Boomer Chick might not be this chick.

WMM writes: SWEDISHOO NOW CALLS MAV'S VIPERS DEN HOME.............
BOOMER IS NOT SWEDISHOO......

Originally Posted by halva
BC is more complicated than that. Reynolds did not bring her here. She came here as someone on 'our side'. To help us 'stand up to Reynolds' and in a peculiar metaphysical way she 'is' on 'our side'. But for her 'freedom of speech' is a matter of principle. She has learned to equate it with 'the American way of life'. It does not register with her how many people's freedom of speech Reynolds has buried. Nor does she comprehend the political consequences of her worship of 'freedom of speech'. She does not understand that in a war nobody can acknowledge the enemy's 'right' to freedom of speech. In fact she applies the principle selectively, in a way that always just happens to benefit whoever she thinks is stronger.

spirithelps ~ Toni Thayer, writes:

Yup, yup, and yup. This sounds exactly like Christy from 2000. We thought she was on our side, but in reality she supported Jay, just like you stated, pulling things out of her hat that she needed for any one particular discussion. They're a team!

If not, then they learned techniques from the same book.

Well, well, well, if it isn’t Toni Thayer, wannabe non-profit scam queen of Chemtrail TrackingUSA. A scammer then, and now a liar. Didn’t your mother ever teach you that you shouldn’t tell lies?

I’m not Boomer Chick, of which I had a serious problem with her New Age Urantia garbage… sorta like how I had a problem with you Toni, trying to collect money from innocent board members so you can start up a Chemtrail business. Did you ever refund everyone as you claimed you would?

As for “being on the other side” and being partners with Uncle Jay, you’re a liar and totally made that up just because you hated the fact, that I busted you in the past. Lorie Kramer protected your ass and deleted all my posts. BUT everything was posted over at Chemtrail Central, and it’s still there today. Shall we skip down memory lane so I can slaughter you into pieces again, or would you rather acknowledge the fact that you are bearing false witness against me on this public board?

As for being over at Mav’s, no one ever comes over to help me slap the crap out of Stuart Allsop or Lexta....with the exception of Whitey and Swampgas from time to time. I wish ya’ll would. But Whitey, why would you make it sound as if Mav’s board is my Home Sweet Home? I find great pleasure busting those asswipes, like CyToker aka Guntoker and CyPaul aka Weatherman, and third-world-country worms, Stuart Allslop, and Lexta.

Anyway, back to Thayer…

WATCH YOUR FAT MOUTH AND STOP PRINTING FALSE THINGS ABOUT ME.

PS Thayer, learn to read. Halva didn't say what you think he said.

Christy ~ Swedishoo

jayreynolds

11-19-2005, 10:44 AM

hee-hee-hee

whitemajikman

11-19-2005, 03:41 PM

Shall we skip down memory lane so I can slaughter you into pieces again, or would you rather acknowledge the fact that you are bearing false witness against me on this public board?

this I have to see.......

WMM

Swedishoo

11-19-2005, 03:54 PM

whitemajikman

11-19-2005, 06:10 PM

As long as Tony Thayer does not continue to make-up lies about me, I have no reason to come to this board, unless to defend myself.

Let it be noted that I want Whitemajikman to keep his distance from me. He is baiting me and I want no part of it.

Christy

LMAO

Oh really.....

Prove your claims regarding Tony.......

you made them, Now stand by them.........by proving them......

or withdraw them........

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT CHRISTY A.K.A SWEDISHOO CAME ALL THE WAY OVER HERE TO TRY AND JUSTIFY HER ATTACK UPON ME ON ANOTHER BOARD UNRELATED TO THE SUBJECT MATTER WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE ON THIS FORUM...........

SO I THINK I DESERVE A LITTLE EXPLANATION IF SHE IS GOING TO CRUXIFY TONY AND I THINK TONY DESERVES AN EXPLANATION AS WELL.......

CONSIDERING TONY's COMMENTS WERE NO WHERE NEAR AS SCATHING AS CHRISTY'S........

ALSO DON"T YOU KIND OF THINK THAT CHRISTY'S COMMENTS REGARDING ME STAYING "AWAY FROM HER" ARE KIND OF SUSPECT CONSIDERING SHE CAME HERE AND SOUGHT ME OUT...........

AND FOLKS THIS ALL STEMS FROM A DISPUTE BETWEEN ME AND HER LITTLE "PET" A PERSON BY THE NAME OF GARY WHOM HAS BECOME HER "OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON" OR THIRD "TIT"........

AND WAS VERY MUCH UNSOLICITED.......

Christy, It is me who needs a restraining order from you........

OR SO IT SEEMS......

LMAO........

WMM

Swedishoo

11-19-2005, 07:00 PM

whitemajikman

11-19-2005, 07:11 PM

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT CHRISTY A.K.A SWEDISHOO CAME ALL THE WAY OVER HERE TO TRY AND JUSTIFY HER ATTACK UPON ME ON ANOTHER BOARD UNRELATED TO THE SUBJECT MATTER WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE ON THIS FORUM

This is NOT true.

I came over to let Toni Thayer know I do not appreciate her saying false things about me.

If you want to read the threads over at Chemtrail Centrail then go find them for yourself.

Now stay away from me as I asked. I think you are psychologically unstable and I have gone to great lengths to avoid you.

Please do not respond to me again. I will ignore you from this point on.

Christy ~ Swedishoo

HOW COULD YOU HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO AVOID ME, WHEN YOU HAPPEN TO BE POSTING AT BOARDS THAT YOU KNOW I POST AT, AND THAT I AM A LONG TIME MEMBER OF WHICH, AND HAVE BELONGED TO, FOR FAR LONGER THAN YOU........

I THINK IT IS YOU WHO IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE.......

AND YOU WHO NEEDS TO EITHER PUT UP SOME FACTS REGARDING TONY.........OR APOLOGIZE........SLANDER COMING FROM THE LIKES OF YOU IS AN INSULT ..........YOU ARE AFTER ALL A STATE MENTAL PATIENT WHO IS ATTACHED 24/7 TO A MEDICATED DRIP.........

FOR YOUR PARANOID DELUSIONAL EPISODES........

YOU SEE FOLKS, CHRISTY LIKES PLAYING THE VICTIM..........IT IS THE ONLY TACTIC SHE KNOWS HOW TO EMPLOY.......

I AM JUST ONE OF A LONG LIST OF INDIVIDUALS SHE HAS ACCUSED OF STALKING HER........

IT IS A SIDE EFFECT OF HER MENTAL INSTABILITY TO CRY WOLF WHEN THE HEAT GETS TO HOT FOR HER.......USUALLY IN DEBATE OR WHEN SHE AND HER DEMEANOR IS BEING OVERLY SCRUTINIZED.

OR WHEN HER FAVORITE PET GARY A.K.A GAR GETS STUNG IN DEBATE .........WHICH IS ALMOST A DAILY OCCURENCE.........

ASK HER ABOUT HER INFATUATION WITH AN INTERNET ENTITY NAMED CYDONIAQUEST........WHOM SHE HAS ACCUSED OF STALKING HER BUT ULTIMATELY SHE FOLLOWS ALL OVER THE NET.........SO AGAIN WHOM IS STALKING WHOM......?

IN OTHER WORDS THIS WOMAN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN WHOM USES DECEIT AND LIES TO TRY AND WIN AT ALL COSTS.......

AND WHEN THAT DOESN'T WORK.............

SHE CRIES WOLF.......

AND TAKES ON THE ROLE OF A VICTIM..........

BUT DON't BELIEVE ME.........RESEARCH HER FOR YOURSELF........AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS........

Google SWEDISHOO.........

WMM
,.

Boomer Chick

11-20-2005, 02:23 PM

Gee, you let a thread go for a couple of weeks and all heck breaks loose!

Bottom line and all of you here who have posted over the past year know it:

I am on no one's side, I am no one's tag partner, and I decide myself who is right and who is wrong on a particular issue and I have no qualms about agreeing with various people at various times and disagreeing as well.

Halva invited me along with many other people on CTC as well as through e-mails. At first I would read over here and just not feel motivated. As I've shared before, when I was over on CTC I participated in the political forum more than the chemtrail forum and Jersey Blue Eyes is still a good friend of mine. I continue to emphasize that investigation regarding the "Chemtrail theory" should remain open to all and that the debate which requires credible data should continue.

As Jay and Halva both know, including IS and FS, I worked hard on researching the validity of many aspects of the chemtrail theory. One aspect for which I could not find evidence no matter how many hours of university, gov, and ongoing research sites I sluethed was the aluminum accusation. So I laid that to rest. The second one I sincerely researched was Barium. I searched all the ongoing collection data bases in various countries, including Canada. I found quartz dust in Italy and natural Barium in Canada near the coast I recall. So given that none of the sample lists from consecutive years of study produced no Aluminum and no Barium of note IN THE ATMOSPHERE, I laid that to rest. In some areas, however, the testing of soil samples led to some increases in those two elements. I did find some rocket experiments using Barium in the ionesphere and since the Barium did not show up in the Troposphere samples, I concluded it wasn't enough to float down and affect the lower levels and wasn't enough to worry about. Not only that, it obviously was not a part of a jet fuel program, so I let it go. I only posted a small sample of what I researched, so for me, it was enough for my mind to convince me that as far as those two harmful elements, our government was not spraying them into the atmosphere. Period end of story FOR ME.

I have two degrees and am not an academic simpleton.

Now, the next aspect we discussed involved changes in jet fuel. I went to manufacturers and dozens of other related sites, and found out about the jet fuel spills into the ground water and Colorado River waters, but as far as changes to jet fuel, we couldn't find any definitive proof. Nobody posting found the "smoking gun" of lingering contrails which would harm us humans. Perhaps the carbon ratio was upped, but even that was hard to find and I don't recall anyone mentioning that except for maybe IS. I would like to find evidence of changed jet fuels which would support the theory of global chemtrailing to fend off global warming. Obviously the EU is working hard to curtail the lingering trails and are quite aware of the carbon situation. If it was a global project, why would the EU be adamant about controlling the situation? If it was global, how come it doesn't include the Southern Hemisphere? No, the global theory I long ago poo pooed by looking at satellite data and realizing that most of the trails covered North America and that's about it. I've never said that military experiments with lingering trails of some kind are out of the question. Of course they exist and of course they have been sprayed over numerous communities, but as far as I've been able to gleen from the net....... it's top secret and no one's going to find out on the net. As far as airline companies? I've let the theory of their complicity go , too.

Remember, this is my opinion and I'm free to state it based on what I know so far and still open to reformation.

I don't know Jays' history and I don't care to know. I know what I have read that he has posted, I know some things about his farming and lifstyle, and so far I only see what I see. Is that clear? I have agreed and disagreed with Jay and as a human being I have no way to judge him and no desire to judge him. If he works for the government I have no information on that and if he did, it doesn't mean he is a propagandist by any means. WE are surrounded by people who work for the goverment in our community but it doesn't mean each one of them is a horrible person, a person devoid of intelligence, and a person to be defiled and pushing a fascist agenda. Period. People who assume conspiracies because of paychecks.....are foolish twerps. Many government workers don't know what's going on at the shadow and upper levels. It is not their fault.

Yes, I did get IS banned temporarily and all of you present know why. Halva got himself terminated as moderator.. I had nothing to do with it. I might have filed a couple of complaints on the offending posts, but I do not personally know Lib and although we are both liberals, his attitude toward WMM on the "Current Events" area shows a lack of professionalism on his part. I do not respect him for his jumping in with his comments on anti-semitism. He's been a trouble maker on the 911 thread and to reitterate, no, I did not confer with Lib or Mike about Halva in a behind-the-scenes way. I only registered post complaints. Halva's behavior was obvious to anyone.

FYI -- if you go up on Current Events and read my posts, you'll know I'm no government shill nor a conservative. Never have been, never will be.

Halva, I DO Value free speech and freedom. You don't live here. You also don't know what it's like to be a Democrat and an active one in our county let alone in our country. I suggest you stay away from judgments of local and active politics here until and unless you experience it yourself. Arm chair opinionists are a dime a dozen and when you live in another country and assume you know more than we, you look foolish and boorish.

And you, Terri or Tracy or whoever you are...... you don't impress me. So far, I've waited for some evidence from you..... and nada. That's my take. Not Jay's, not
a German chemists, but MINE. Take it or leave it. You must see conspiracies everywhere you go. Sad. Too bad you live in so much fear.

Post some evidence on something, anything and I'll listen to you. For now, I read with skepticism and that's it. However, most of the time I prefer to post on Current Events.

Peace, everyone. WMM knows I respect him highly. Halva knows I don't respect him. IS knows better not to attack me here, personally. Jay knows I'm fair and have no issues with him and both agree and disagree. FS knows I both agree and disagree with her. Those who insist everyone agree with them at all times obviously present an emotionally immature personality. Since all we can do on the net is respond to posts..... we can only judge on the posts, to go beyond that is a fool's paradise.

And I think it's great that USA Today has published on weather manipulation and its future possiblities.

FREE SPEECH!!!!

PEACE ALL

Insurrectionchemistry

11-20-2005, 09:36 PM

Put simply, BC has no science degrees and she typically causes very negative contributions on the chemtrails theme.

When BC spent more than a year pasting the equilavent of a book on Halva's thread and it never clicked for her, until recently, that HAARP needs plasma to work, that pretty much tells the story. BC missed what is an extremely obvious mechanism. One essential for understanding HAARP and some of the other concepts.

BC typically can't do the science stuff, but she can copy and paste a discussion into non-existance. I don't call that working hard, more like incapable of comprehinding the material. But trying to burden the whole list with BC's slow learning curve. I see inconsiderate.

Most people can see right through Jay-Jay, the GOP pundit's non-sense, but BC thinks Jay-Jay is right on the mark. BC appears to think Jet's just emit water vapor, and agrees with the Jay-Jay non-sense science.

For BC there are no such things as Chemtrails, and that is fully expected since she thinks jets just emit water.

BC didn't grasp the plasma concept for more than a year, and the chemtrails concepts are more difficult. So, the bottom-line is that a liberal arts major can't claim expertise in science. Kinda like someone without a PE can't claim to be an engineer.

And it shows. And it shows that BC can't see a GOP pundit's lies either, yet still holds Jay-Jay up as honest and reliable.

Oh well, what else is new. BC'will have Jay-Jay over to supper and declair the Bush Adm. is her hero, all cause ole Jay-Jay is BC's best buddy and says so. They each praise each other.

I remain very unimpressed with BC's science overconfidence. I don't recognize BC as being able to do science.

I see BC as being generally destructive toward the discussions at hand on the science forum. She is not all that different than Jay Reynolds. BC is every bit as abusive as Jay Reynolds with the extreme name calling.

halva

11-21-2005, 01:03 AM

She is pathetic.

Raynolds and company are probably paid for what they do.

BC does it for free, to feed her neurosis.

siegmund

11-21-2005, 02:12 AM

When logic arguments wa(y)ne
dull emotions swamp the terrain.

siegmund

halva

11-21-2005, 04:28 AM

I'm not proposing to get into reactive mode with this adolescent.

siegmund

11-21-2005, 04:53 AM

Thanks a bomb, I really feel younger now.

Insurrectionchemistry

11-21-2005, 05:25 AM

Ziggy can't speak English well, let alone anything else. So, now there is some broken English non-sense.

Ziggy Acts highly juvenile with vocabulary of "WOW," etc.

Ziggy is one of these persons that sells Cannibus as the solution for the world's problems.

Ziggy is a Pot-head chemist.

halva

12-10-2005, 11:09 PM

bump

jayreynolds

12-12-2005, 05:12 AM

dump

Insurrectionchemistry

12-12-2005, 05:19 AM

Dump the abusive GOP J Reynolds that keeps making kill worded statements against persons on Arianna's:

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http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=444174#post444174

Jay Reynolds The Internet Stalker

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayreynolds
SQUEEEEEAAAALLLLLL!!! LITTLE PIGGY!!!!!!!!
http://www.horrorlibrary.net/Gallery%20Images/David%20Anthony%20Magitis/slaughterhouse.jpg

Your Insanity is Something Which you cannot Hide Anymore Jay........

And You Will Pay For Your Crimes.......

WMM

========

J Reynolds wants all these persons he calls pigs, to be killed in the slaughterhouse. From this one gets a real good view of an insane J Reynolds and his GOP politics of hate:

http://www.horrorlibrary.net/Gallery%20Images/David%20Anthony%20Magitis/slaughterhouse.jpg

jayreynolds

12-14-2005, 09:43 PM

If the Military want's to own the weather, they'll have to buy it from paul the weatherman:
http://p090.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topic ID=4015.topic

]2epo]v[an

12-16-2005, 10:10 AM

my opinion is that yes. they have been working on contoling weather. i was sitting with some international arms dealers and god. the dealers were speaking about all the fancy weapons they had. i looked at god and asked "what do you got?" he replies in a defencive tone, "i got a storm!" lead me to two conclusions: either god was not without flaws, i wasnt talking to god. the first is herassy^^. the second, yes they have been working on it. weather or not they ment to use it as weapon or just finding ways to combat it. either way i think they'd try for the first, givin the kept company. yes, they really are trying to end the world. but on the bright side this is just a reinactment? would explain all the dea ja voo i've been having. that or cia fuckin with meh again.

spirithelps

12-29-2005, 05:11 PM

Well, well, well, if it isn’t Toni Thayer, wannabe non-profit scam queen of Chemtrail TrackingUSA. A scammer then, and now a liar. Didn’t your mother ever teach you that you shouldn’t tell lies?

I’m not Boomer Chick, of which I had a serious problem with her New Age Urantia garbage… sorta like how I had a problem with you Toni, trying to collect money from innocent board members so you can start up a Chemtrail business. Did you ever refund everyone as you claimed you would?

As for “being on the other side” and being partners with Uncle Jay, you’re a liar and totally made that up just because you hated the fact, that I busted you in the past. Lorie Kramer protected your ass and deleted all my posts. BUT everything was posted over at Chemtrail Central, and it’s still there today. Shall we skip down memory lane so I can slaughter you into pieces again, or would you rather acknowledge the fact that you are bearing false witness against me on this public board?

WATCH YOUR FAT MOUTH AND STOP PRINTING FALSE THINGS ABOUT ME.

PS Thayer, learn to read. Halva didn't say what you think he said.

Christy ~ Swedishoo

Oh, Christy, you really are tooooooo funny. Nonprofit scam queen, huh? You still haven't heard of nonprofits? Once again, I'll give you some common examples, perhaps you've heard of them: The Nature Conservancy, Green Peace, the Salvation Army, Goodwill. Are you getting the picture yet?

Well, I've gotta say that, yes, as a nonprofit specialist paid the big bucks to write the legal and incorporating documents for many, many nonprofits, I do believe in the grassroots efforts of them. And, yes, they are a business, just like you say, because people need to be paid for their work, or they, generally, don't work too long or too hard.

And, yes, I did set up a nonprofit and I'm currently the President of the group. We work to restore the US Constitution, American rights and heritage. Yes, it's been approved by IRS and yes, it's a legitimate business under the IRS Code 501(c)(3). Perhaps now that America has no Constitution you would like to join? Yes, people join and give me money to keep doing the researching and writing that I do. Do you work at your job (I presume you work) for free? Just kind of show up promptly every day, work you butt off and never expect a paycheck? No, I didn't think so.

Lies? What lies? As usual, you twist, turn, add and delete words to fit your brain, I guess. I'm a writer, I pick my words carefully. I said "I wonder". Since when does wondering become facts and lies?

Please do slaughter away if that is where your Spirit is. Now is the time that we are all showing exactly who we are. Our actions and decisions say it all.

Toni Thayer
http://www.colorcountrycourier.com