ARE THE PROTOCOLS BEING USED BY THE NEO-CONS?

[whitemajikman]

I THINK THEY ARE.........

IS IT A JEWISH CONSPIRACY?

NO

IS IT A ZIONIST/NEO-CON CONSPIRACY?

IT MAY VERY WELL BE......

AND THAT IS THE REASONING OF THIS THREAD.......

HERE IS A GOOD ARTICLE TO START IT.......

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Explained
Are the Protocols a Forgery?

The document known now as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is one of the most important documents ever to come to light in the world. It can be described as the blueprint for the domination of the world by a secret brotherhood. In fact, the title of the second publication in 1922 was "World Conquest Through World Government".

It is graphic in its contempt for those who will be its victims, in its profound understanding of the human condition and mind; and it is equally graphic in detailing the methodology it will use against, and with the complicity of, the world's population, in such a way as to go unrecognized by the vast majority of the participants.



The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a document which should be read by all. No other single document provides us with such a clear understanding of why the world is gradually moving towards a One World Government, controlled by an irreproachable hidden hand. In The Protocols, we are given clear insights as to why so many incomprehensible political decisions are made in both local, national and international politics, which seem to continually work against the favor of the masses and in favor of the vested interests of the banking/industrial cartel -- the global power elite.

The average person normally reacts with outrage and horror today at the very suggestion that there may be a conspiracy as grand as The Protocols. But the average person has absolutely no information on which to base his or her opinion. The reaction to exposure of this ancient conspiracy is merely a pre-programmed Pavlovian reaction, created and instilled by the very perpetrators of the same ancient conspiracy. And today, very few will dare speak above a whisper of that all-encompassing oppression of mankind.

It is extremely rare today to find information about the ancient conspiracy, due to the mass censorship of the printed word, and the unwillingness of the general population to consider as a possibility something which they have been brought up since birth to see as outrageous and ridiculous. Each generation is born into a world of greater and greater censorship and illusion.

As you read further, please try to keep an open mind, and realize that your initial reaction has been conditioned over years of newspaper and television exposure. What you're about to read will shock you.

History of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
In the interests of keeping this explanation brief, I have provided highlights only in the chequered and colorful history of The Protocols. For a more detailed discussion, please refer to the book Waters Flowing Eastward by Mrs L. Fry.

In 1884 the daughter of a Russian general, Justine Glinka, was in Paris obtaining secret political information to be communicated back to Russia. She employed a Jewish assistant, Joseph Schorst, a member of the Miz-raim Lodge in Paris. Schorst offered to obtain for her a document of great importance to Russia, on payment of 2,500 francs.

She forwarded the French original, accompanied by a Russian translation, to the Tsar in St Petersburg, but it was suppressed by those under obligation to wealthy Jews. The Tsar never received it, and Glinka was eventually banished to her estate in Orel.

Glinka gave a copy to Alexis Sukhotin, who showed the document to two friends, Stepanov and Professor Sergius A. Nilus; the former had it printed and circulated privately in 1897; the second, Nilus, published it for the first time in Russia in 1901, in a book entitled The Great Within the Small. At about the same time, a friend of Nilus, G. Butmi, brought a copy to England, where it was apparently deposited in the British Museum on August 10, 1906. [Ed: The British Museum deny ever having received a copy of the Protocols.]

Meantime, through Jewish members of the Russian police, minutes of the proceedings of the Basle congress in 1897 had been obtained and these were found to correspond with the Protocols.

In January 1917, Nilus prepared a second edition, revised and documented, for publication. But before it could be put on the market, the revolution of March 1917 had taken place, and Kerenskii, who had succeeded to power, ordered the whole edition of Nilus' book to be destroyed. In 1924, Prof. Nilus was arrested by the Cheka in Kiev, imprisoned, and tortured; he was told by the Jewish president of the court, that this treatment was meted out to him for "having done them incalculable harm in publishing the Protocols". Released for a few months, he was again led before the GPU (Cheka), this time in Moscow and confined. Set at liberty in February 1926, he died in exile in the district of Vladimir on January 13, 1929.

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[whitemajikman]

A few copies of Nilus's second edition were saved and sent to other countries where they were published: in Germany, by Gottfreid zum Beek (1919); in England, by The Britons (1920); in France, by Mgr. Jouin in La Revue Internationale des Societes Secretes, and by Urbain Gohier in La Vieille France; in the United States, by Small, Maynard & Co. (Boston 1920), and by The Beckwith Co. (New York 1921). Later, editions appeared in Italian, Russian, Arabic, and even in Japanese.

The Protocols gained widespread recognition upon their translation into English, in 1920. They soon became notorious. Esteemed newspapers such as The Times and The Morning Post (whose Moscow correspondent Victor E. Marsden was responsible in 1921 for the translation used in this document) covered the story in numerous articles, much to the chagrin of world Jewry, who immediately began the propaganda bandwagon rolling. They not only denied that the Protocols were a Jewish plot, but also that there was any plot whatsoever. The latter was quite clearly false to all educated men and women of the time. "Probably so much money and energy were never before in history expended on the effort to suppress a single document." The period of 1920 "marks the end of the time when the Jewish question could be impartially openly discussed in public." (Douglas Reed -- "The Controversy of Zion").

The Protocols of Zion - Fraud or Genuine?
There have been many attempts to discount The Protocols as a fraud, and the fact remains that there is no documentary proof that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are what they say they are. Allegations of forgery and fraud have dogged their public history. However, despite many opinions to the contrary, the documents have never been categorically proved to be fraudulent. Besides, why would an anonymous document be forged? See The Protocols - a Neocon Manifesto. (with thanks to an anonymous emailer, identified only as 'An American').

The fact also remains that since the apparent publication, world events have unfolded exactly according to their description - surely this should be proof enough that a plan such as the Protocols exists?

M. Henry Ford, in an interview published in the New York World, February 17, 1921, put the case for the Protocols tersely and convincingly thus:

"The only statement I care to make about the PROTOCOLS is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. THEY FIT IT NOW."

We are gradually being mobilized into a New World Order. The One World Government is being facilitated by the gradual movement of nation states into larger power blocks such as the European Union and NAFTA etc. The United Nations has come into power as a global police force under the excuse of being a protector and benefactor of the world, exactly as outlined in the Protocols. The Jews have symbolically "returned to Palestine", as the State of Israel now exists as the official universal "homeland" of all Jews, despite the vast majority of Jews having no racial connection with Israel whatsoever.

It is my belief that rather than being the plan of Jewish leaders to control the world as many believe, this document is really the Grand Plan to create the One-World Government, Economy, and Satanic religion known as the New World Order. The reason it was written as a thin veneer of a Jewish conspiracy to conquer the world for their Messiah, was so that the document would be thoroughly discredited, and forgotten. Once the vast numbers of the peoples of the world had discredited the Protocols, the Grand Plan could be used quite freely as a blueprint on how to achieve global government, religion, and economy.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the most blatantly Satanic document in world history! It systematically lists all the steps that are necessary to establish the New World Order and its ultimate leader. It is obvious that these plans for the establishment of the New World Order are so brilliantly conceived and written, they could only be the work of supernatural Guiding Spirits through Automatic Writing.

The Protocols are organized as follows:

Blueprint for world domination;

Advent of a Masonic Kingdom;

A king of the blood of Sion, of the Dynastic roots of David;

The King of the Jews will be the real Pope;

The world ruler will be the patriarch of an international church.

(Hogan, Jean Baptiste, as quoted by Holy Blood, Holy Grail, p. 193.)

Let us now examine some pertinent quotes so you may become familiar with the type of plans The Protocols set forth, thus allowing you to more accurately understand why we believe so strongly that the Planned Third World War is almost upon us. Remember, The Protocols are at least 100 years old.

Using Terrorism To Keep Governments in Check
>"In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments ... in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America, or China ..." [Protocol #7 -- World Wide Wars, Paragraph 6].

Is it any wonder that President Bush is now leading America in a global effort against "terrorism"? Is it any wonder that Bush is threatening to "end the states" who sponsor and/or encourage terrorism? A New Age author, Bill Cooper, stated the final plan to achieve global government another way. He said:

"... the secret societies were planning as far back as 1917 to invent an artificial threat ... in order to bring humanity together in a one-world government which they call the New World Order." [Behold A Pale Horse]

Global Terrorism is obviously the "artificial threat" created to achieve the New World Order. Expect to see more and more warnings and terrorist activities in America.

More Words From The Protocols on Terror
"... The gentiles are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock?... There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties ..... It is not worthwhile to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties ....."[Protocol #11 -- The Totalitarian State]

Make no mistake about where this War on Terrorism is leading us straight into Totalitarianism! More terror:

"... while the peoples of the world are still stunned by the accomplished fact of the revolution, still in a condition of terror and uncertainty, they should recognize once for all that we are so strong, so inexpugnable, so super-abundantly filled with power, that in no case shall we take any account of them, and so, far from paying any attention to their opinions or wishes, we are ready and able to crush with irresistible power all expression or manifestation thereof at every moment and in every place, that we have seized at once everything we wanted... Then in fear and trembling they will close their eyes to everything, and be content to await what will be the end of it all." [Protocol #11 -- The Totalitarian State]

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[whitemajikman]

When Americans stared in sheer terror at the crumbling of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, they began to close their eyes to everything except what our government and the Mass Media wanted them to believe. Even now, in "fear and trembling, they will close their eyes to everything, and be content to await what will be the end of it all". Just as the Guiding Spirits of The Protocols envisioned, Americans are closing their collective eyes, gladly trading liberties for "promised peace and safety". Ben Franklin's words to this effect seem to ring today with unusual clarity:

"Those who would give up liberties in order to achieve safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

Still More Words From the Protocols on Terror
>"... we must create ferments, discords and hostility ... by our intrigues we shall tangle up all the threads which we have stretched into the cabinets of all States by means of the political, by economic treaties, or loan obligations. In order to succeed in this we must use great cunning and penetration during negotiations and agreements, but, as regards what is called the official language, we shall keep to the opposite tactics and assume the mask of honesty and complacency. In this way the peoples and governments of the gentiles, whom we have taught to look only at the outside whatever we present to their notice, will still continue to accept us as the benefactors and saviors of the human race."

Further, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, tells us that the citizen will not be able to trust in anything the leaders are telling them! Listen: "The principal factor of success in the political is the secrecy of its undertakings: the word should not agree with the deeds of the diplomat."

We should not be too surprised when the actions of our government cannot be understood - their reasoning is intentionally kept secret from us.

Turning Humanity Upside Down With Their Beautiful and Powerful Rhetoric!
>"When we come into our kingdom, our orators will expound great problems which have turned humanity upside down in order to bring it, at the end, under our beneficent rule. Who will ever suspect, then, that all these peoples were stage-managed by us according to a political plan which no one has so much as guessed at in the course of many centuries?" [End of Protocol #13]

President Clinton, aided by Vice-President Al Gore, spent the entire eight years of his presidency expounding such great problems that have "turned humanity upside down". Clinton-Gore propounded Environmental Issues such as Global Warming, Loss of Habitat, Species Extinction, and many other environmental concerns. However, Bush-Ashcroft seized upon their role in the final push for world government -- Global Terrorism. This mantra is continued under President Bush who asserts every day that Global Terrorism has "turned humanity upside down".

The majority of Americans have no idea they have been "stage-managed" according to a "political plan" which has been ongoing now for over two centuries! The American Public Educational System has done its dirty job, of graduating citizens who cannot read or write enough to pay attention to what is going on. Today's citizens are also not schooled in Critical Thinking Skills, and they do not know enough history to realize the trap into which Bush-Ashcroft are leading us! On paper, President Bush has all the dictatorial powers Stalin ever possessed. He simply has not chosen to activate these powers just yet. When people begin getting knocks on their doors at midnight, with arrest orders signed by Homeland Security, they will too late know they have signed their own death warrant. At that time, America's freedoms and Constitutional guarantees, will be abolished; and all by a Christian, Compassionate, Conservative Republican Administration who waxed hot and heavy rhetorically by saying that our war on Terrorism cannot be waged at the expense of our liberties! How ironic!

Consider this excerpt about the powerful rhetoric that is supposed to accompany this rush toward dictatorship, in the guise of fighting terror. " Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulations of life in common, and all sorts of other quirks, in which the [common people] understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of our administrative brain." [Protocol #4]

The Power of a Cooperative Press -- The Mass Media
"We must compel the governments of the goyim to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly prompted by us through the means of that so-called 'Great Power' -- the Press, which, with a few exceptions, is already entirely in our hands." [Protocol #7]

Every American needs to understand that the entire national press is controlled, and is simply giving you the "news" you are supposed to have. Very soon, all alternative sources of news, including this website, will be shut down. That time draws ever closer.

"In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the [average person] lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind, in matters political." [Protocol #5]

Now, you know why the Sunday Morning TV programming is full of "Talking Heads" that so fill the airwaves with opinions on everything, so that the average person is completely bewildered as to what is the truth! This type of TV programming was foreseen over 100 years ago in The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

When you combine the power of Rhetoric, above, with the discussion of the Mass Media role, you can understand better the part of the plan coming up next:

"The principal object of our directorate consists in this: to debilitate the public mind by criticism; to lead it away from serious reflections calculated to arouse resistance; to distract the forces of the mind towards a sham fight of empty eloquence. In all ages the peoples of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for they are content with a show and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance. Therefore, we shall establish show institutions..." [Protocols #5; reiterated in Protocol #10]

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[whitemajikman]

This single paragraph tells us all we need to know about politicians of both parties, as they gradually guide us into the New World Order. They deliberately intend to "debilitate" our minds and to "distract" us through "sham" speeches of "empty eloquence". We certainly have seen and heard enough of this type of speaking to last us a lifetime! You can just put the name of any number of politicians on both sides of the aisle that fit this description. Talk, talk, and talk some more, is the motto of the consummate politician.

Today, the talk is all about Patriotism, blind patriotism. Just as we did with Clinton, so are we doing with Bush today: we are accepting "words for deeds" and "rarely pause to note in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance". The American people are sheep ready to sheer.

The Press was further supposed to fulfill a very basic need in this plan, the need for continual conflict in order to bring about the planned change. Listen to this portion of The Protocols:

"In the hands of the States to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing out requirements supposed to be indispensable ... and to create discontent." [Protocol #2]. The Press is supposed to keep us in turmoil, because the authors of the Protocol firmly believed that "Conflict Brings About Change, and Planned Conflict Brings About Planned Change" [Hegelian Doctrine, first espoused in 1823, by a Freemason giving Professor Hegel the concept]. Since we are moving, by Plan, toward the calculated change of government -- a global, dictatorial government historically unprecedented in power and repression -- then we need a lot of planned conflict fed us daily. Wars, rumors of wars, class conflict, and many more tidbits of Bad News floods our consciousness daily. This is the Plan.

Establishing a Dictatorship of "Magnificent Proportions"
>"These laws will withdraw one by one all the indulgences and liberties which have been permitted... and our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions as to be at any moment and in every place in a position to wipe out any... who oppose us by deed or word." [Protocol #5 -- Despotism and Modern Progress]

What kind of "laws" is this portion of The Protocols foreseeing that will "withdraw one by one all the indulgences and liberties which have been permitted"? The USA Patriot Act and its attendant pieces of attached legislation will prove to be the final undoing of our liberties and Constitutional Guarantees. Mark my word.

Did you catch the kind of dictatorship [despotism] that is planned for every nation?

"... a despotism of such magnificent proportions as to be at any moment and in every place in a position to wipe out any... who oppose us by deed or word."

Soon, the Bush Administration will be moving against their enemies, in the guise of fighting "Domestic Terrorism", and will be attempting to "wipe them out".

On paper, President Bush has demanded, and already received, dictatorial powers. We started hearing of tortures at the hands of the FBI more than two years ago, ["FBI Considers Torture As Suspects Stay Silent", The Times, U.K., October 22, 2001], of detentions without charges, without lawyers, and without the specific names of people detained ["Everybody's Got Their Own Terrorist", by Al Martin.]

Even the CIA is getting into the act of spying on Americans domestically [The Christian Science Monitor, December 17, 2001, "CIA. expands its watchful eye to U.S."].

The FBI and CIA appear to be joining forces and combining resources to form an American equivalent to the Russian KGB, a most fearsome force against the Russian people for over 70 years of Communist repression.

Since this gradual tightening will parallel Hitler's model, here's an apt quote from a German dissident who was one of the last to be arrested. He said:

"When they came for the Jews, I did not speak up, because I was not Jewish. When they came for the Catholics, I did not speak up because I was not Catholic. And, when they came for me, there was no one left to speak up."

http://www.threeworldwars.com/protocols.htm

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I think this piece was well written and I do think to some extent this prediction is being used as a guide, and to some extent it is the inevitable outcome in the quest for money and power.

That it seems to originate from France is interesting because that was one of the banking centers for the Rothschilds' banking empire, which we all know came from a Jewish family named Bauer in Germany.

What would be good to include in the discussion of the Protocols is how the Rothschild manipulated the US in the Civil War. The big European shipping types, all mostly Jewish, tried to sell slaves to the US first in the North for factories, and when that failed then to the South for farming.

When the Civil War broke out over these Europeans selling all the slaves to the US, it was the Rothschilds that were funding both the North and the South with money and loans. Their banks in France funded one side and the branch in the UK or Germany funded the other side in the Civil War.

When President Lincoln figured out the big plan he decided not to pay the interest on the loans. This aggrivated the Rothschilds, so they got their buddy Booth to shoot Lincoln in the head. Lincoln did not approve of the usury, and apparently detected the Rothschilds were helping the enemy as much or more than the Union Army.

Lincoln died and Booth, according to some stories, managed to run to England (and East India Company) and live to a ripe old age with Rothschilds money for serviced rendered.

It would be very likely that either some French Masons, French religion pontif, or Royal origin types in France would have known this story and the tricky method quest for power and control by these Bankers that were used to managing the Royal's Money of Europe.

It would even be clear this was a Jewish connected money system in those days. And even the interest in the Jewish homeland would have been known as a long term interest.


This system of control over the US money expanded with the Monster of Jekyl Island story, when the Rockefeller system and the Rothschilds bankers formed the Federal Reserve System in the US.

JFK fell to the same fate as Lincoln when he went after the Federal Reserve system's control of the US and profit taking via usury.


I think the Protocol piece serves as a sort of warning, like Eisenhower gave to the US, when he left his White House term and said to be careful of the Military, Industrial, Congressional Network that was gaining too much power.

The Pentagon interests have always been designed to protect the US economic system, and it is only natural that something along the lines of the Protocols would be happening in the interests of capitalism.


The Protocols seems to be labeled as a forgery of some sort in the attempt to discredit that it is really the formula for the New World Order. It is about how the Royal Families of Europe preserve their power and influence, and gain greater wealth. There would be a real interest in not making the big game plan apparent for the economic expansion, using religion as part of the formula. Even the ancient Egytians, which is the foundations for Masonry, used religion as the formula for economic control.

The Protocols have become all too prophetic, and that some well informed person or persons could have put these factors together in the latter 1800's seems entirely probable, if they knew the Rothchilds and Royal Family games and tricks to keep their power to rule via Money.

[Bubba]

Lincoln died and Booth, according to some stories, managed to run to England and live to a ripe old age with Rothschilds money for serviced rendered.

I've heard it asserted before. Do you have a link? Any proof that Booth wasn't cornered in a barn running from the assassination with a broken leg and killed?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Try this read and see what you think:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm

[Bubba]

Try this read and see what you think:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm

This is all it says on the matter:

Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia.

Booth's grand-daughter, Izola Forrester, states in This One Mad Act that Lincoln's assassin had been in close contact with mysterious Europeans prior to the slaying, and had made at least one trip to Europe. Following the killing, Booth was whisked away to safety by members of the Knights of the Golden Circle. According to the author, Booth lived for many years following his disappearance.

Is there any evidence that you know of, which documents Booth's life in England after the assassination?

[Bubba]

Oopsy! Not that the globalist bankers haven't covered their tracts and sanitized history, which they well may have, but I found a contrary piece of evidence:

http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln83.html

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Like I was saying, some accounts tell that story. Others tell another story. When one gets into the autopsy of JFK the stories get to be totally opposite also. One can look at the official autopsy photos on JFK and see one thing and listen to the Texas doctor stories of the attending doctors and get another.

Booth may not have escaped, there are doubts, but it does appear he was driven by the Rothschilds' influences:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1283

Perhaps it was the same deal as with JFK. If they found connections to Rothschilds, the US would have had another war to fight. Sometimes national security rewrites history, especially where money is involved. Big Money tends to breed large conspiracies.

I just note the conflicting stories in both deaths, and when that sort of thing happens, I tend to look at the money factor, who can override presidents, and have the money to write history the way they want it.

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This piece is also good to learn how far the Money system of the Crown would go to gain. They invented the drugs for money game to demoralize populations for gain.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/sassoon.htm

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Some of the evidence that supports Booth had helpers and a bigger escape plan is this:


http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/11/2004/02/#3604

The Professor Who Insists John Wilkes Booth Got Away

Bill McCleery, in the Indiannapolis Star (Feb. 16, 2004):

Twelve days after killing President Abraham Lincoln, assassin John Wilkes Booth was gunned down inside a Virginia barn.

Or was he?

Inspired by a coded message written in the late 1860s, a retired Indiana State University professor has spent decades searching for information about Lincoln's assassination. For Ray Neff, that odyssey culminated in the publication last year of his book, "Dark Union."

Neff's most sensational claim: that Booth escaped his pursuers and lived almost 20 more years after killing Lincoln. The dead man purported by authorities to be Booth was someone else, the book claims.

Booth, Neff maintains, fled overseas to India and assumed the identity of John Byron Wilkes, a man who lived in Terre Haute and whose personal information Booth supposedly purchased. Among the evidence cited by the book is a copy of Wilkes' will that names friends and relatives of Booth as beneficiaries.

"Dark Union," written with co-author Leonard Guttridge, suggests that conspirators -- who originally plotted to kidnap Lincoln -- extended beyond Confederates embittered by the Civil War. It also included northerners enriching themselves through a food-for-cotton trade scheme, the authors claim. And, they add, it included radicals from Lincoln's Republican Party opposed to the president's hints of a lenient reconstruction of the South.

"We don't have all the answers," said Neff, 80. "But we do have a lot of answers to a lot of things."


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Basically, anytime the Rothschilds are involved and this kind of money, they can sanitize history to their liking. It happened in the massage of the history of Germany and Hitler, because he was going to take the Rothschilds fortunes and power in Europe. It happened in JFK and on Abe Lincoln because they were going to end usury.

A clear pattern or tend of power and control shows up.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I suppose the only way to settle the question is to dig up Booth and check the familial mtDNA signatures.

Other sources suggest these outcomes:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth


"Booth escaped" theories
Some believe that Booth escaped the tobacco barn at Garrett's farm, with a look-alike double agent named James William Boyd dying in his place, and the government going to great pains to cover up the blunder. These theories remain unproven and are regarded by most historians as having no substance.

The Lincoln Conspiracy (ISBN 1568495315) details the assassination, the Boyd plot, and Booth's escape to the swamps. The Curse of Cain: The Untold Story of John Wilkes Booth (ISBN 1580060218) continues with the claim that Booth escaped, sought refuge in Japan and eventually returned to the United States where he died in Enid, Oklahoma in 1903.

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http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/John_Wilkes_Booth

"Booth escaped" theories
Some believe that Booth escaped the tobacco barn at Garrett's farm, with a look-alike double agent named James William Boyd dying in his place, and the government going to great pains to cover up the blunder.

The Lincoln Conspiracy (ISBN 1568495315) details the assassination, the Boyd plot, and Booth's escape to the swamps. The Curse of Cain: The Untold Story of John Wilkes Booth (ISBN 1580060218) continues with the claim that Booth escaped, sought refuge in Japan and eventually returned to the United States where he died in Enid, Oklahoma in 1903.

[Neurobürger]

MACHIAVELLI-NAPOLEON.

The Geneva Book, or as it will henceforth be called the Geneva Dialogues, opens with the meeting of the spirits of Montesquieu and Machiavelli on a desolate beach in the world of shades. After a lengthy exchange of civilities Montesquieu asks Machiavelli why from an ardent Republican he had become the author of “The Prince” and “the founder of that sombre school of thoughts which has made all crowned heads disciples, but which is well fitted to justify the worst crimes of tyranny.” Machiavelli replies that he is a realist and proceeds to justify the teaching of “The Prince,” and to explain its applicability to the Western European States of 1864.

In the first six “Geneva Dialogues” Montesquieu is given a chance of argument of which he avails himself. In the seventh dialogue, which corresponds to the fifth, sixth, seventh, and part of the eighth “Protocols,“ he gives Machiavelli permission to describe at length how he would solve the problem of stabilizing political societies “incessantlydisturbed by the spirit of anarchy and revolution.“ Henceforth Machiavelli or in reality Napoleon III., speaking through Machiavelli, has the lion’s share of the dialogue. Montesquieu’s contributions thereto become more and more exclamatory; he is profoundly shocked by Machiavelli-Napoleon’s defence of an able and ruthless dictatorship, but his counter-arguments grow briefer and weaker. At times, indeed, the author of “L’Espirit des Lois“ is made to cut as poor a figure as—parvum componere magno—does Dr. Watson when he attempts to talk criminology to Sherlock Holmes.

DIALOGUE AND “PROTOCOL.“

The “Protocols” follow almost the same order as the Dialogues. Dialogues 1-17 generally correspond with “Protocols” 1-19. There are afew exceptions to this. One is in the 18th “Protocol,” where, together with paraphrases of passages from the 17th Dialogue (“Geneva Dialogues,” pp. 216, 217) there, is an echo of a passage in the 25th “Geneva Dialogue,” viz. :–“Quand le malheureux est opprimé il dit ‘si le Roi le savait’; Quand on veut se venger, qu on espère un secours, on dit ‘le Roi le saura.’” This appears on page 68 of the English edition of the “Protocols” (4th Edition, published by “The Britons,” 62, Oxford-street, London, W.) as “In order to exist, the prestige of power must occupy such a position that the people can say among themselves, ‘If only the King knew about it,’ or ‘When the King knows about it.’”

The last five “Protocols” (Nos. 20-24 inclusive) do not contain so many paraphrases of the “Geneva Dialogues” as the first 19. Some of their resemblances and paraphrases are, however, very striking, eg., the following:—


[Start Quote from Protocols on Loans]

“A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5 per cent., then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt.”
— “Protocols,” p. 77.

[End Quote from Protocols on Loans]

**

[Start Quote from Dialogues on Loans]

MONTESQUIEU.—“How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5 per cent., the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum.”—“Geneva Dialogues,” p. 250.

[End Quote from Dialogues on Loans]


But generally speaking “Protocols” 20 and 21, which deal (somewhat unconvincingly) with the financial programme of the Learned Elders, owe less to the “Geneva Dialogues,” Nos. 18-21, than to the imagination of the plagiarist author who had for once in a way to show a little originality. This is natural enough since the “Dialogues” in question describe the actual financial policy of the French Imperial Government, while the “Protocols” deal with the future. Again in the last four “Geneva Dialogues” Machiavelli’s apotheosis of the Second Empire, being based upon historical facts which took place between 1852 and 1864, obviously furnished scanty material for the plagiarist who wished to prove or, very possibly, had been ordered to prove in the“Protocols” that the ultimate aim of the leaders of Jewry was to give the world a ruler sprung from the House of David.

The scores of parallels between the two books and a theory concerning the methods of the plagiarist and the reasons for the publication of the “Protocols” in 1905 will be the subject of further articles. Meanwhile it is amusing to find that the only subject with which the “Protocols” deal on lines quite contrary to those followed by Machiavelli in the “Dialogues,” is the private life of the Sovereign. The last words of the “Protocols” are “Our Sovereign must be irreproachable.” The Elders evidently propose to keep the King of Israel in great order. The historical Machiavelli was, we know, rather a scandalous old gentleman, and his shade insists that amorous adventures, so far from injuring a Sovereign’s reputation, make him an object of interest and sympathy to “the fairest half of his subjects.”

(To be continued.)


Philip Graves

Excerpt from “THE LONDON TIMES”, Tuesday, August 16, 1921, pp. 9, 10
http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/graves-tran.htm

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MACHIAVELLI-NAPOLEON.

The Geneva Book, or as it will henceforth be called the Geneva Dialogues, opens with the meeting of the spirits of Montesquieu and Machiavelli on a desolate beach in the world of shades. After a lengthy exchange of civilities Montesquieu asks Machiavelli why from an ardent Republican he had become the author of “The Prince” and “the founder of that sombre school of thoughts which has made all crowned heads disciples, but which is well fitted to justify the worst crimes of tyranny.” Machiavelli replies that he is a realist and proceeds to justify the teaching of “The Prince,” and to explain its applicability to the Western European States of 1864.

In the first six “Geneva Dialogues” Montesquieu is given a chance of argument of which he avails himself. In the seventh dialogue, which corresponds to the fifth, sixth, seventh, and part of the eighth “Protocols,“ he gives Machiavelli permission to describe at length how he would solve the problem of stabilizing political societies “incessantlydisturbed by the spirit of anarchy and revolution.“ Henceforth Machiavelli or in reality Napoleon III., speaking through Machiavelli, has the lion’s share of the dialogue. Montesquieu’s contributions thereto become more and more exclamatory; he is profoundly shocked by Machiavelli-Napoleon’s defence of an able and ruthless dictatorship, but his counter-arguments grow briefer and weaker. At times, indeed, the author of “L’Espirit des Lois“ is made to cut as poor a figure as—parvum componere magno—does Dr. Watson when he attempts to talk criminology to Sherlock Holmes.

DIALOGUE AND “PROTOCOL.“

The “Protocols” follow almost the same order as the Dialogues. Dialogues 1-17 generally correspond with “Protocols” 1-19. There are afew exceptions to this. One is in the 18th “Protocol,” where, together with paraphrases of passages from the 17th Dialogue (“Geneva Dialogues,” pp. 216, 217) there, is an echo of a passage in the 25th “Geneva Dialogue,” viz. :–“Quand le malheureux est opprimé il dit ‘si le Roi le savait’; Quand on veut se venger, qu on espère un secours, on dit ‘le Roi le saura.’” This appears on page 68 of the English edition of the “Protocols” (4th Edition, published by “The Britons,” 62, Oxford-street, London, W.) as “In order to exist, the prestige of power must occupy such a position that the people can say among themselves, ‘If only the King knew about it,’ or ‘When the King knows about it.’”

The last five “Protocols” (Nos. 20-24 inclusive) do not contain so many paraphrases of the “Geneva Dialogues” as the first 19. Some of their resemblances and paraphrases are, however, very striking, eg., the following:—


[Start Quote from Protocols on Loans]

“A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5 per cent., then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt.”
— “Protocols,” p. 77.

[End Quote from Protocols on Loans]

**

[Start Quote from Dialogues on Loans]

MONTESQUIEU.—“How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5 per cent., the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum.”—“Geneva Dialogues,” p. 250.

[End Quote from Dialogues on Loans]


But generally speaking “Protocols” 20 and 21, which deal (somewhat unconvincingly) with the financial programme of the Learned Elders, owe less to the “Geneva Dialogues,” Nos. 18-21, than to the imagination of the plagiarist author who had for once in a way to show a little originality. This is natural enough since the “Dialogues” in question describe the actual financial policy of the French Imperial Government, while the “Protocols” deal with the future. Again in the last four “Geneva Dialogues” Machiavelli’s apotheosis of the Second Empire, being based upon historical facts which took place between 1852 and 1864, obviously furnished scanty material for the plagiarist who wished to prove or, very possibly, had been ordered to prove in the“Protocols” that the ultimate aim of the leaders of Jewry was to give the world a ruler sprung from the House of David.

The scores of parallels between the two books and a theory concerning the methods of the plagiarist and the reasons for the publication of the “Protocols” in 1905 will be the subject of further articles. Meanwhile it is amusing to find that the only subject with which the “Protocols” deal on lines quite contrary to those followed by Machiavelli in the “Dialogues,” is the private life of the Sovereign. The last words of the “Protocols” are “Our Sovereign must be irreproachable.” The Elders evidently propose to keep the King of Israel in great order. The historical Machiavelli was, we know, rather a scandalous old gentleman, and his shade insists that amorous adventures, so far from injuring a Sovereign’s reputation, make him an object of interest and sympathy to “the fairest half of his subjects.”

(To be continued.)


Philip Graves

Excerpt from “THE LONDON TIMES”, Tuesday, August 16, 1921, pp. 9, 10
http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/graves-tran.htm

YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?

THATS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...........

IF SOME COMBINED ENTITY IS ACTUALY USING THE PROTOCOLS TO GAIN GLOBAL DOMINANCE.......

NOW NEURO I KNOW YOUR INTELLIGENT.........AND YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY........THATS A GIVEN.....

BUT IN YOUR OPINION ARE THE PROTOCOLS WHICH WERE DEEMED A HOAX.......ADOPTED FOR USE AND BEING EMPLOYED ........?

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.rense.com/general67/removed.htm

Now, let us contrast this with the blatant statement by the late Prime
Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983 - :

"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet.
We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact,
compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the
inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of
iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

http://www.rense.com/general67/removed.htm

Now, let us contrast this with the blatant statement by the late Prime
Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983 - :

"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet.
We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact,
compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the
inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of
iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

Menechem Begin didn't say that. Rense.com is not a reliable source. Can you provide a reliable source for that quote?

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Menechem Begin didn't say that. Rense.com is not a reliable source. Can you provide a reliable source for that quote?

I AGREE THAT BEGIN DID NOT SAY THIS .........NOR DID CARTER MENTION THIS IN HIS MEMOIRS.......

AND THAT TEX MARRS THE WRITER OF THIS DRIVEL IS A CHRISTIAN FUNDEMENTALIST WHO IS AN ANTI-MASON AND AN ANTI-SEMITE WHO USES CONSPIRITORIAL PROPAGANDA TO ELICIT ANTI-SEMITISM.........AT EVERY TURN.......

BUT I DO NOT FAULT INSURRECTION CHEMISTRY IN HIS INVESTIGATION OF SUCH MATTERS .......KNOWING HIM AS I DO..........HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN FINDING THE ELUSIVE TRUTH OF ANY PROBLEM PUT FORTH BEFORE HIM........

WHICH MEANS INVESTIGATING NOT ONLY THE GOOD BUT THE UGLY.......

ALL STONES MUST BE OVERTURNED TO GET THE BIG PICTURE........


WMM

[whitemajikman]

ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROTOCOLS........

The Protocols - a Neocon Manifesto

by Simon Jones

Dissident Voice
August 21, 2003



I have to confess. The outrageous in-your-face behavior of the neocons finally got to me *as Armageddon approaches, after seeing more and more references to it (albeit usually wacky), I recently downloaded the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Guiltily, mind you, as if it were Mein Kampf or porno. I bet you haven’t dared (or bothered) to read it.



So what is this best-selling political tract of the 20th century, the reading of which carried the death penalty in Stalinist Russia, lauded by the likes of Henry Ford and Winston Churchill, and then loudly condemned for the past 60 years since it was briefly declared an anti-Semitic forgery (in a Swiss court in 1935 overturned by the Appeals Court in 1937)?



The bile aside, it is in fact a series of 24 mostly articulate, well-argued lectures outlining a plan for world capitalist domination, with sharp political and social analysis, lots of Machiavelli and a Marxian sophistication in its understanding of capitalism and historical processes. Briefly, it outlines a plan of world conquest by first establishing world government by consent. As with any brilliant political analysis, it has been denounced, dismissed, misinterpreted and banned. And made very good use of by those lusting for world power.



What immediately struck me was that with a little dusting off, abridging and updating, it could easily be the handbook of the neocons. With the wonders of modern computers, you can download a free copy from the Internet, cleanse it of anti-Semitism by replacing "fellow Jews" with "neocons" and make sense of what’s happening in the world today.



Mysterious origins? Not really


Though its origins are still unknown, it was clearly inspired by the French revolution and its aftermath, the then-popular Masonic order, and most of all the nascent 19th century Zionist movement. All that we know is that it was written in France and brought to Russia, supposedly in 1884. It first appeared in print in St Petersburg in 1903, but reached the West only after the Russian revolution. It caused an immediate sensation, originally crudely interpreted as foretelling the Bolshevik revolution as the crucial link in a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. As such, it was admired by the likes of Churchill and Ford, both confirmed anti-communists and anti-Semites.



True, it has the prescience to allow for an anti-capitalist revolution on the way to its final goal, but there’s nothing even vaguely socialist in it. It’s firmly founded on a plan for capitalist domination through Jewish control of international finance and just happened to appear at the very moment of the founding of the Zionist movement, with its goal of establishing as soon as possible a Jewish state in Palestine, backed by powerful worldwide Ashkenazy Jewish economic interests.



It's as if an especially ruthless and well-read 19th c Zionist, inspired by the Rothschilds and other great Jewish financiers of the time, wrote it or most of it, as I am sure is the case. Really, it reads as if it were written by the Jungian shadow of the likes of Zionism's founder, Theodore Herzl, or any of Israel's notables from Ben Gurion to Ariel Sharon. Its anti-goyim callousness certainly indicate it was not written for public consumption, and after Hitler, it was relegated to the Forbidden Shelf in ALL libraries along with Mein Kampf and naked bottoms. But it is very hard to believe that it is a spoof or a mere provocation, as it is just too impressive in detail and understanding of the logic of late 19th c capitalism.



Did Hitler read it? I bet the Nazis read it carefully. They certainly followed much of its advice, from how to use the press, to how to manipulate both politicians and the masses in consolidating their political hold. It's also clear why destruction of the Jews became Hitler's tragic obsession. His New World Order (NWO) would have to exclude a group even remotely connected with such a scheme for world domination. As the neocons warn today: “You are either with us or against us.”



Many paths - but they all lead to Rome


The trouble with the Protocols is that it has been interpreted since it was published to suit the prejudices of the moment. In pre-revolutionary Russia, it provided fuel for the already widespread Russian anti-Semitism. In post-WWI Europe and America, it provided fuel against the Russian revolution. In the post-WWII world, it became the Bible of American isolationists and racists who see the poor UN as the dreaded “World Government,” backed by the Soviet Union and 3rd world revolutions. Now it is read by Muslims as proof of the conspiracy by US imperialism to destroy them.



Another problem is that there have been many variations on the theme of the NWO ever since the collapse of the Roman Empire. The French revolution and Napoleonic conquests, the Masonic lodges, imperial Germany and England all have had their own NWO fantasy. The Russian revolution was the most radical attempt at a NWO, and even can be distinguished for the large number of Jews who took part, but despite the fact that the Protocols was first published in Russia and strictly banned during the Soviet period, the Soviet experiment was not even remotely the final World Government of the Protocols, as it was anti-capitalist in its essence.



The red herring in it is of course 'Jewish', which is supposed to refer to a race. The Jews referred to in the Protocols are the European Ashkenazy Jews, who had been traditionally usurers and who were in the 19th century becoming increasing wealthy and part of the mainstream European culture. From them sprang the Zionists, who transformed a religion where God is to bring them to the 'promised land' someday into an active plan to seize Palestine based on their growing international economic and financial might. So it is this group that is the real inspiration behind the Protocols and not some amorphous Jewish RACE. Think of the authors as the neocons of the day. For by the 19th century, usury was the norm, and the rapid spread of capitalism meant that the Western world effectively became Jewish, as Marx put it, and adopted the Jewish idea of success.



Yet another problem. It is loudly dismissed as a forgery. Hello? It was anonymous, so how can it be a forgery. Who forged what? No wonder the Swiss Appeals Court threw the case out. In that case we can dismiss the Bible as a forgery. And who cares who wrote the Psalms anyway? They stand on their own merits, as does the Protocols stripped of a few provocative phrases here and there, which could have been slipped in by anyone.



You may well protest: “The Protocols attributes the conscious machinations of Jews to be behind all historical developments. I don’t believe the Zionists are either so powerful, or so far-sighted.” In answer: It’s not necessary for our actions to be premeditated. The logic of world capitalism sweeps us along, whether we like it or not. Some players are more conscious (and ruthless) than others. They become the Herzls, the Wolfowitzes, the Sharons. The rest of us get swept along, either yielding to, or fighting the current: the Bushes and the Schwartzeneggers or the goyim. The Protocols (or its original, if it is indeed a forgery) was inspired by the new economic system sweeping the world, and composed by the 19th century equivalent of the neocons. It hasn’t played itself out yet, just as capitalism hasn’t played itself out. We ignore it at our peril.



Arise, ye prisoners of starvation?


Contrast the Zionist movement with the other great attempt at a NWO from the 19th century on -- the world socialist movement. It is far weaker, split by nationalism and hundreds of ideological splinters, and motivated by social justice, a far less competitive motivation that money, wealth and power-for-its-own-sake. The Protocols is quite clear about this: "Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men whom we wanted we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man: and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.” (I)



There is no fear of the dangerous effective of democracy: ”The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove. It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed them at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment." (I)


CONTINUED............

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Socialism never had a chance against this corrosive Machiavellianism, though, just in case, the Protocols had a plan: "The hour strikes when, not for the sake of attaining the good, not even to win wealth, but solely out of hatred towards the privileged, the lower classes of the goyim will follow our lead against our rivals for power, the intellectuals of the goyim." (IV) This is the only reference to the use of a revolt of the masses, which was seized upon to associate the Protocols with the Russian revolution. Rather slim pickings, and it reveals the strategy is to undermine the “intellectuals of the goyim”, i.e., the socialist opposition to world capitalism.



On the contrary, the Russian revolution seemed to really shake the very foundations of the plan for world capitalist domination. Curiously in its first 30 years the SU had the Zionists split. Why? Well, no doubt partly because many rank-and-file Zionists were socialist by persuasion, truly wanted the SU to succeed and hoped for a socialist Israel as a bonus (Herzl's utopian novel depicts a socialist Israel). But for the Zionist fanatics of the Protocols, their fence-sitting was because achieving their own state was the main priority, and required the support of both the communist and capitalist camps.



And as for the softer versions of socialism which have surfaced occasionally in the West, their headway has always been kept well in check, and social democratic reforms were rolled back very easily after the collapse of the SU, via the tactics envisaged in the Protocols. So the plan of the Protocols should not be confused with the many variations on a socialist/ communist NWO.



If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em


The Protocols also lauds "the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzscheism." (II) Why promote such radicals? Because of the "disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim." Just how central to Marx’s success these Zionists were is debatable.



But it's become clear to me that Zionists have penetrated and tried to control all the NWO fantasies, from left to right, to further their own cause. It is not surprise then that they have been at the center of the present neocon insurgency from the start. And as for the EU-as-NWO, Sharon even suggested Israel should join the EU since ‘we share common ideals’. In spite of Israel’s loathing for the UN, it is at the very heart of THAT beleaguered, clumsy organization too (with a stake in hand just in case, it can be argued). It has recently been revealed that Zionists are even involved with extreme right anti-Semitic movements in Europe and with the creation of Hamas. After all, anti-Semitism is the Zionist’s best defense. "The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." (Albert Einstein, Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)



True, anti-Semitism got out of control under Hitler and it even looked like it was touch-and-go for a while for the Ashkenazy Jews of Europe, but fascism was in turn destroyed by a capitalist-communist alliance, with Zionists at its heart, as the Protocols so brilliantly foretold: "For a time perhaps we might be successfully dealt with by a coalition of the goyim of all the world: but from this danger we are secured by the discord existing among them whose roots are so deeply seated that they can never now be plucked up." (VI) Divide and rule!



The Holocaust gave the fanatical Zionists their long-sought state, which allowed them to discard any socialist pretensions and nurture the capitalist-Zionist alliance essential to the goal of world domination. The defining moment is perhaps the triumph of the neocons under Reagan in the 1980s. The Zionists had consolidated their hold on American foreign policy under Democrat Carter, and were ready to make the alliance official under Republican Reagan. It is at this point that the very term Zionist and even Jew can be discarded. As I have argued elsewhere, ‘We are all Jews now.’ (http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles4/Jones_Palestine.htm) And with the Bush coup in 2000, we all (for the present at least) have become neocons (or goyim). As the opposition grows weaker, with the shield of the Holocaust at the ready, the neocon-Zionist alliance has begun to act more and more brazenly to consolidate its hold on the world and destroy the last meaningful resistance - the Islamic world.



The ultimate trump card


Not only was the Holocaust and the way to defeat it foreseen in the Protocols, but, like the anti-Semitism that gave rise to it, it has been turned into the ultimate defense of the Zionist cause. A kind of perverse win-win situation for the Zionists.



It transformed important anti-Semites into Judeophiles overnight. While Churchill was an enthusiastic reader of the Protocols before WWII, he became an enthusiastic supporter of the foundation of Israel after, and shifted his anti-Semitism onto the Arabs. Stalin, also a confirmed anti-Semite, provided the key vote at the UN to approve the foundation of Israel and supplied crucial arms via Czechoslovakia to the beleaguered state, foolishly thinking he could ultimately manipulate. Ha, ha! Finally it became the linchpin in consolidating today’s neocon-Zionist alliance, and a brilliant defense for all manner of Zionist crimes: “We can do anything to defend ourselves after the Holocaust!”



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The icing on the cake is the impressive Holocaust museum which blends in tastefully with the Lincoln and Washington memorials in the heart of Washington, D.C. (Note: There is no museum to the Holocaust against the native peoples or the blacks.)



A crack in the wall?


While ‘Old Europe’ has made some noises about this lethal NWO, the governments are nonetheless beholden to it, and can do little but try to carve a slightly bigger piece of the pie. No, the only meaningful remaining resistance to the neocon-Zionist NWO is the as yet unbrainwashed goyim of the world - the peace movement and the Islamic world, strange bedfellows at best.



However, there are some disturbing ripples in the NWO waters. Bush/ Sharon have chosen the warpath, while the Soros branch, which includes Europe, wants a more peaceful transition. The reckless policies of the erstwhile "servile administrator" in Washington are quite possibly endangering the very economic foundation of the NWO. The Protocols foresees such chaos, though it presumes to be in control of it: "We shall soon begin to establish huge monopolies, reservoirs of colossal riches, upon which even large fortunes of the GOYIM will depend to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the States on the day after the political smash...." (VI)



Such a collapse of the present world financial system is not at all beyond the realm of possibility. And if it comes, it could take down the US government and the neocons with it. It is here that the PROTOCOLS begins to unravel. The Protocols assumes the corporate financial cabal controlling the world economy will be invited to take over bankrupt governments with their World Government, as indeed has been happening under the guise of IMF restructuring programs and more recently by direct invasion. But the bankrupt and invaded countries, such as Argentina, most of Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq for starters are proving to be problematic, more than the cabal can digest.



Maybe, just maybe, the neocons' gamble will trip them up before they reach the finish line and they will end up along side the despised GOYIM at the bottom. A switch to a gold dinar in the Muslim world and oil-euros for the rest would seriously endanger the NWO, as would a massive ecological disaster, natural or man-made.



The mild neocons (Soros etal) see this clearly and are scurrying to minimize collateral damage. Theirs is a strategy closer to the spirit of the Protocols - no overt wars, a careful amassing of power through education and the control of the press, no dangerous splits in the capitalist-Zionist alliance, achieving victory through financial and trade blackmail. Have a look at the Protocols yourself. It’s all there.



So, are these cowboy jackboot high jinks a momentary glitch in the triumphal march to the neocon-Zionist paradise? Will a Howard Dean, urged on by Soros, put the out-of-control steamroller back on its proper path? Or has the Protocols played itself out? Is our present apocalyptic scenario instead a crack that gives us hope of emerging from this nightmarish plot?



Rational racism?


I don't know about the Elders, the Symbolic Snake, the actual killing off of the goyim, whether the line of King David will be re-established to rule the world, the importance of the Masons, or whether the French Revolution "was wholly the work of our hands". There's surprisingly little of such bile for a work of such notoriety, and it can be easily edited out so as not to distract from the sharp analysis. Perhaps it was added by an anti-Semite as a provocation. Who knows? As for the Masons, come to think of it, the popularity of them, the Yale Skull and Bones, and other such Monty-Pythonesque groups shows a stubborn inclination by would-be GOYIM leaders to voluntarily (i.e., consciously or unconsciously) make themselves part of a world conspiracy, however idiotic.



That's not so much the problem. The major flaw behind the logic of the Protocols is its basic premise - that there is a Jewish race. There is only one race - the human race. Just have a look at Israeli society if you think there is a racial basis to Judaism. But hey! Scientists are discovering that there are genes which are responsible for skin color, that define risk-takers or those susceptible to various diseases… Maybe there’s a gene for these would-be Elders of Zion. Perhaps the NY Times will post the following soon: The Zionist-neocons now welcome to their fold those who share their lust for capitalist world domination. All those with gene DN145, please sign up here. We are all equal before Mammon. MBA schools will go crazy.



The Masonic lodges, Skull and Bones fraternities, the Jewish ‘race’ itself are just foils in this march of world capitalism, gathering in like-minded wanabes as it makes its final push for total control. It is somehow fitting that the once reviled Jew should sit one day on the world’s golden throne surrounded by his neocon minions. That is the Protocols’ vision of the end of history. Eat your heart out Fukuyama!



Simon Jones is a Canadian freelance journalist living in Uzbekistan. He writes for Peace Magazine (Toronto) and has published pieces in Counterpunch and YellowTimes.org. He can be contacted at sj958@yahoo.com



http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Jones_Protocols-Neocons.htm

WMM

[whitemajikman]

ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE...........

Busharon, ‘Dual Loyalties’ and other such Zionist Misnomers
First published Febuary 13th 2005.


Busharon is Zionist Propaganda.
At present one of the main problems in american and global politics is formulating a description of the so called neocons. It ought to be remembered that three of the leading lights in this group were important members of reagan’s administrations and later became leading members of bush junior’s administrations. However, during clinton’s administrations they were out of office and rather than devoting their time to fine tuning american foreign policies they formulated foreign policies for the zionist state in palestine. As far as is known this is unprecedented in modern politics. It is difficult to think of any other example of western politicians formulating the foreign policies for a rival government. The israeli neocons in america had been trying to push america into a proxy zionist war against iraq for over a decade before the pentagon and new york (p*ny) bombings provided them with the excuse they needed to manipulate the bush administration into such a war.


There are so-called progressives/lefties/greenies/liberals/tribalists/
peaceniks who denounce bush and sharon by referring to them as busharon. This neologism implies that the seemingly homely george bush is similar to the evil ariel sharon, who has transgressed from being a terrorist, mass murderer, and war criminal until, at the height of his political career, he’s become a state terrorist. It suggests that sharon and bush promote the same policies. It does not, however, say much about the relationship between them. It doesn’t indicate whether bush is the master, and sharon the slave, or vice versa. If anything, the word’s failure to provide a clue about this relationship implies there is no master-slave relationship * just two, like minded, buddies working together to implement mutually beneficial policies. As far as zionists in the progressive/leftie/greeny/liberal/tribalist/peacenik movement are concerned the word is a useful propaganda device since it enables them to parade their progressive credentials i.e. suggesting george bush is as dreadful as ariel sharon, without having to discuss the critical issue of who is the puppet and who is the puppeteer. This is the issue they must avoid at all costs since it raises fundamental questions about the role of zionists in the american media, in american politics, and in america’s foreign policies.


Anti-zionists should challenge those who use the word ‘busharon’ to explain what they mean. Do they mean, as the zionist lover noam chomsky suggests, that bush is the puppeteer whilst sharon is the puppet? Or do they mean, as the zionist lover uri avnery suggests, that the relationship is a symbiosis, "Some people say, only half in jest, that the USA is an Israeli colony. And indeed, in many respects it looks like that. President Bush dances to Ariel Sharon's tune. Both Houses of Congress are totally subservient to the Israeli right-wing - much more so than the Knesset. It has been said that if the pro-Israeli lobby were to sponsor a resolution on Capitol Hill calling for the abolition of the Ten Commandments, both Houses of Congress would adopt it overwhelmingly. Every year Congress confirms the payment of a massive tribute to Israel. But others assert the reverse: that Israel is an American colony. And indeed, that is also true in many respects. It is unthinkable for the Israeli government to refuse a clear-cut request by the President of the United States. America forbids Israel to sell an expensive intelligence-gathering plane to China? Israel cancels the sale. America forbids a large-scale military action, as happened last week in Gaza? No action. America wants the Israeli economy to be managed according to American precepts? No problem: an American (circumcised, to be sure) has just been appointed as Governor of the Central Bank of Israel. As a matter of fact, both versions are right: The USA is an Israeli colony and Israel is an American colony. The relationship between the two countries is a symbiosis, a term defined by the Oxford Dictionary as "an association of two organisms living attached to each other or one within the other" (from the Greek words for "living" and "together".) (Uri Avnery ‘King George’ http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery01242005.html January 24, 2005).


It is much more accurate to argue, as does ralph nader, that sharon is the puppeteer whilst bush and congress are the puppets. There is considerable evidence pointing toward the proposition that, since the p*ny bombings, the likud party governs the zionist state just as much as it does the american state. Indeed, the likud party has two overseas branches in america: the right wing republican likud party and the slightly less right wing democratic likud party. In the 1990s the likud party also controlled russia when the zionist oligarchs stole the country’s resources and managed to get their shabbat goy, boris yeltsin, re-elected as president. The likud resembles the communist international during the 1930s so perhaps it would be better described as the zionist international. For an elaboration of the master-slave relationship between sharon and bush please see ‘Bush is Sharon’s Muppet’ http://www.geocities.com/carbonomics/MCtfirm/10tf26/10tf26g.html In effect, ariel sharon is the real president of the united states and thus president of the world.


Those using the word, busharon, tend to be zionists spouting progressive ideas about america and the palestinians but who, in reality, are just helping to prop up the likudnik’s global empire. One of its main proponents is uri avneri. To give one instance of his use of the word, "The strange creature named the Busharon is in serious trouble. The front half of this animal - George W. Bush. The animal's rear end - Ariel Sharon - is also in great trouble." (Uri Avnery ‘Busharon: The Countdown’ May 15th, 2004). At one moment he’s pointing out the likudniks’ domination of palestine, america, and russia, whilst the next he’s denouncing those who point out the role of global zionism, "Israel's aging self-professed 'leftist peacenik', Uri Avneri, has taken of late to charging all those who have pointed the finger of blame and guilt at the Jewish Neocons and the Israeli-Jewish Lobby in Washington as 'anti-semites'. They who dare point such fingers of responsibility at the Neocons, the Lobby, and by extension Israel itself are modern-day descendants, according to Avneri's latest blast, of those who professed the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Israel's Uri Avneri http://www.middleeast.org/mernew.htm Oct 2004).


Dual loyalties is Zionist Propaganda.
A number of commentators criticize the israeli neocons in america for having ‘dual loyalties’. This phrase is just as misleading as ‘busharon’. It is possible that many israelis living in america give roughly equal loyalty to america and the zionist state in palestine * although quite what they do when there is a conflict between the two is not known. However, the israeli neocons in america do not have dual loyalties: they are simply israelis living in america and working in the bush administration in order to exploit american politics for the sole benefit of the zionist state in palestine. They don’t have any loyalty to america which is why they were quite willing to push the country into a zionist proxy war with iraq which has cost the lives of so many americans and led to a huge drain on america’s financial resources. The draining of america’s resources is now so severe that, after his re-election, bush has had to cut back on (increases) to many domestic programmes. The israelis in the bush administration are moving in the direction of treating the american people as the likudniks treat the palestinians. This is also the reason they are trying to drive americans into a war against iran which will result in even more death and destruction of american lives and property. The israeli neocons are not dual loyalists - they are traitors to america.


Another phrase used to describe the israeli neocons in america is ‘Israeli firsters’. This is just as misleading as the phrase ‘dual loyalties’ since it implies that in their affections they give primacy to the zionist state whilst america is secondary. It is possible that there are israelis in america who give their primary loyalty to the zionist state in palestine but are also willing to show some, second class, loyalty to the country in which they have been born and raised. However, as far as the israeli neocons in the bush administration are concerned the phrase is inaccurate. They are israelis first and last.


The most accurate phrase to describe israeli neocons in america is fifth columnists. They are traitors to america who are sacrificing american lives and wealth for the sake of the expansionism of the zionist state in palestine.


Finally, it can be suggested that the israelis in the bush administration are not israeli americans. Israeli americans would tend to be dual loyalists whereas the neocons are israelis living in america who give sole priority to the zionist state in palestine.


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WMM

[Neurobürger]

YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?

THATS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...........

IF SOME COMBINED ENTITY IS ACTUALY USING THE PROTOCOLS TO GAIN GLOBAL DOMINANCE.......

NOW NEURO I KNOW YOUR INTELLIGENT.........AND YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY........THATS A GIVEN.....

BUT IN YOUR OPINION ARE THE PROTOCOLS WHICH WERE DEEMED A HOAX.......ADOPTED FOR USE AND BEING EMPLOYED ........?

WMM



oh, they work

they worked for hitler and the nsdap. konrad heiden, one of the earliest anti-nazi activists in munich (c. 1922-23) gave a good account of the history of this vile forgery, (in the book 'der fuehrer' 1944 kingsport press) its influence on alfred rosenberg and later their influence on the nazi strategy of disrupting the shakey democratic process of weimar germany.

[whitemajikman]

oh, they work

they worked for hitler and the nsdap. konrad heiden, one of the earliest anti-nazi activists in munich (c. 1922-23) gave a good account of the history of this vile forgery, (in the book 'der fuehrer' 1944 kingsport press) its influence on alfred rosenberg and later their influence on the nazi strategy of disrupting the shakey democratic process of weimar germany.

NEURO FORGERY OR NOT.......

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...............

WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PIN THE "NAZI" LABEL ON IN ORDER TO TRY AND DEMONIZE US BY PROXY IS A CHILDISH ATTEMPT AT BLURRING THE THE FACTS.

NOW ARE THE PROTOCOLS AS A PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BEING USED TODAY.......?

BY AN ENTITY THAT WISHES TO CONTROL THE WORLD FROM WITH-IN......?

FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT REMOVE THE WORD "JEW" FROM THE DOCUMENT AND LOOK AT IT CLOSELY ........

THEN COMMENT........

THIS ISN'T ABOUT POINTING FINGERS AT A PARTICULAR RACE OR RELIGION.......IT'S ABOUT INVESTIGATING IF SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN THEM SERIOUS AS A PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION AND HAS IMPLEMENTED THEM.......

WMM

[Bubba]

Menechem Begin didn't say that. Rense.com is not a reliable source. Can you provide a reliable source for that quote?
Rense is a very reliable and truthful source. If you want to rely on an internet site to lie for the zionist cause, obfuscate the truth and help in the scheme to keep the wool over the public's eyes then it's not the site for YOU! DUMBASS!!!

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

Rense is a very reliable and truthful source. If you want to rely on an internet site to lie for the zionist cause, obfuscate the truth and help in the scheme to keep the wool over the public's eyes then it's not the site for YOU! DUMBASS!!!

Rense is as reliable as Debkafile.

Both are ludicrous propoganda sites.

FACT.

[Neurobürger]

NEURO FORGERY OR NOT.......

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...............

WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PIN THE "NAZI" LABEL ON IN ORDER TO TRY AND DEMONIZE US BY PROXY IS A CHILDISH ATTEMPT AT BLURRING THE THE FACTS.

NOW ARE THE PROTOCOLS AS A PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BEING USED TODAY.......?

BY AN ENTITY THAT WISHES TO CONTROL THE WORLD FROM WITH-IN......?

FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT REMOVE THE WORD "JEW" FROM THE DOCUMENT AND LOOK AT IT CLOSELY ........

THEN COMMENT........

THIS ISN'T ABOUT POINTING FINGERS AT A PARTICULAR RACE OR RELIGION.......IT'S ABOUT INVESTIGATING IF SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN THEM SERIOUS AS A PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION AND HAS IMPLEMENTED THEM.......

WMM


the word 'JEW' was absent from the original document from which the forged 'protocols' derived.

in the original document, i believe it was jesuits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion) who were the scapegoat.

in any event, the protocols are irrelevant to any serious discussion of world events - of course for the conspiracy fruitcakes who believe in david ickes' 'reptiles' and the like, i'm quite sure it satisfies some primal need.

[PassingThru]

I AGREE THAT BEGIN DID NOT SAY THIS ........ NOR DID CARTER MENTION THIS IN HIS MEMOIRS.......

AND THAT TEX MARRS THE WRITER OF THIS DRIVEL IS A CHRISTIAN FUNDEMENTALIST WHO IS AN ANTI-MASON AND AN ANTI-SEMITE WHO USES CONSPIRITORIAL PROPAGANDA TO ELICIT ANTI-SEMITISM ....... .AT EVERY TURN.......

BUT I DO NOT FAULT INSURRECTION CHEMISTRY IN HIS INVESTIGATION OF SUCH MATTERS ....... KNOWING HIM AS I DO ......... HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN FINDING THE ELUSIVE TRUTH OF ANY PROBLEM PUT FORTH BEFORE HIM ........

WHICH MEANS INVESTIGATING NOT ONLY THE GOOD BUT THE UGLY.......

ALL STONES MUST BE OVERTURNED TO GET THE BIG PICTURE........


WMM

It is a good thing you do not give credence to Texe Marrs and his "Power of Prophecy." newsletter (http://www.texemarrs.com/)

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/index_01.gif
Codex Magica—Secret Signs, Mysterious
Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati (http://www.texemarrs.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalog&Product_Code=codex_magica&Category_Code=Bestselling+Books+By+Texe+Marrs)
http://www.texemarrs.com/images/codex_magica_cover_large_fp.gif
But what makes you think that InsurrectionChemistry, in his investigation of such matters, is incapable of going the extra search or so to validate information before giving it tacit support by posting it?

Why not ask InsurrectionChemistry, et al, to adhere to the investigative and intellectual rigor you "expect" of a Lib, or an FBWC?

Frankly your remarks about Insurrection sound extremely patronizing. As long as he holds the same viewpoint as yourself, no critical thinking skills are required?

And although "all stones must be overturned to get the big picture," asking Insurrection to overturn the stone to that author's identity was asking too much?
.

[PassingThru]

oh, they work

they worked for hitler and the nsdap. konrad heiden, one of the earliest anti-nazi activists in munich (c. 1922-23) gave a good account of the history of this vile forgery, (in the book 'der fuehrer' 1944 kingsport press) its influence on alfred rosenberg and later their influence on the nazi strategy of disrupting the shakey democratic process of weimar germany.
The subtle irony of your remarks seem to have sailed right over WMM's head, Neuro.
.

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

It is a good thing you do not give credence to Texe Marrs and his "Power of Prophecy." newsletter (http://www.texemarrs.com/) But what makes you think that InsurrectionChemistry, in his investigation of such matters, is incapable of going the extra search or so to validate information before giving it tacit support by posting it?


Why not ask InsurrectionChemistry, et al, to adhere to the investigative and intellectual rigor you "expect" of a Lib, or an FBWC?

Frankly your remarks about Insurrection sound extremely patronizing. As long as he holds the same viewpoint as yourself, no critical thinking skills are required?

And although "all stones must be overturned to get the big picture," asking Insurrection to overturn the stone to that author's identity was asking too much?
.

These whackjobs aren't intested in thinking, period.

They just like going on and on and on and on and on, claiming "no one can debate us," because, frankly, no one can ever get through all the endless long boring diatribes they post.

I've taken some time to think it through, and I'm back to my original opinion:

We have some serious Jew-Haters at this forum. They all belong to Stormfront, and Aryan Nations, and most likely attend KKK rallies, where they where T-Shirts that say "Jews for the KKK," and "I support the Holocuast of Bad Jews, but I am a Good Jew."

They're a bunch of fucking nutbars.

Go read their Chemtrails shit. And now, I will post a thread about Chemtrails.

[Gerry]

Rense is a very reliable and truthful source. If you want to rely on an internet site to lie for the zionist cause, obfuscate the truth and help in the scheme to keep the wool over the public's eyes then it's not the site for YOU! DUMBASS!!!


Bubba - You need to learn to discriminate between your sources of information.

A website that has as a joke Queen Margarethe of Denmark congratulating "George" on his 2000 dead (with 2000 little skulls on a tray) does not conjur up much credibility. Now, most on this forum wouldn;t have a clue who the lady was, but I venture to say that the Danes would be non too pleased.

[Gerry]

The subtle irony of your remarks seem to have sailed right over WMM's head, Neuro.
.


That would probably be because he didn;t answer the question. Neuro is very good in the extra verbiage department, rather than sticking to the question.

the answer to the question is YES, it seems to be working for the Bush cabal.

Neuro is a veritable well of "lots of bits" of superficial information which he gains from predominently communist websites. Which makes all his information slanted. So he is by NO means WELL informed, which confirms the old dictum "a little information in a wrong head is dangerous".

[whitemajikman]

These whackjobs aren't intested in thinking, period.

They just like going on and on and on and on and on, claiming "no one can debate us," because, frankly, no one can ever get through all the endless long boring diatribes they post.

I've taken some time to think it through, and I'm back to my original opinion:

We have some serious Jew-Haters at this forum. They all belong to Stormfront, and Aryan Nations, and most likely attend KKK rallies, where they where T-Shirts that say "Jews for the KKK," and "I support the Holocuast of Bad Jews, but I am a Good Jew."

They're a bunch of fucking nutbars.

Go read their Chemtrails shit. And now, I will post a thread about Chemtrails.

Hey if your going to start a thread on Chemtrails you might as well start a thread on
GEO-ENGINEERING and WEATHER MANIPULATION .........

and don't stop there...........

You must also start a thread about CLIMATE CHANGE.............

As for your accusations.......They are on par with Pinocchio and his affliction.........

how big is your nose? Right about now.........

WMM

[Bubba]

Bubba - You need to learn to discriminate between your sources of information.

A website that has as a joke Queen Margarethe of Denmark congratulating "George" on his 2000 dead (with 2000 little skulls on a tray) does not conjur up much credibility. Now, most on this forum wouldn;t have a clue who the lady was, but I venture to say that the Danes would be non too pleased.
Yeah, she's part of the illumanati too, and like you said, it's a JOKE!!! A joke you apparently don't get.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/georgie.jpg

[Fair &Balanced Who Ca]

Hey if your going to start a thread on Chemtrails you might as well start a thread on
GEO-ENGINEERING and WEATHER MANIPULATION .........

and don't stop there...........

You must also start a thread about CLIMATE CHANGE.............

As for your accusations.......They are on par with Pinocchio and his affliction.........

how big is your nose? Right about now.........

WMM

Climate Change is real, caused by man, and easy enough to see and measure that only whackjobs try and pretend it's not. They will tell you that we've burnt billions of tons of fossil fuel, and released chemicals into the Earth's atmosphere at a catastrophic rate for over a century, but that none of that effects climate change, and we're just in some cycle now.

And when they tell you that, just cite from the Protocols, and then say the magic words "gibbity gabbity goo," and a little green man will float over your shoulder, and call you "dum-dum."

Call him the great Gazoo. He prefers that.

[PassingThru]

YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?

THATS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...........

IF SOME COMBINED ENTITY IS ACTUALY USING THE PROTOCOLS TO GAIN GLOBAL DOMINANCE.......

NOW NEURO I KNOW YOUR INTELLIGENT......... AND YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY........ THATS A GIVEN.....

BUT IN YOUR OPINION ARE THE PROTOCOLS WHICH WERE DEEMED A HOAX....... ADOPTED FOR USE AND BEING EMPLOYED ........?

WMM
As to your thesis, "is it possible the protocols [are] adopted for use and being employed?"

Most things are possible - as long as they are within the laws of physics.

Is it probable?

Given that this tract is well known and was widely disseminated during the last century, isn't it also probable that seeing patterns wherein the actions of certain groups fit segments of the protocol leads those so inclined to conclude they've - specifically - been adopted and put into action, ignoring the millenia of political and strategic commentary of which they are a distilled compilation designed to defame first one group and then another?

And isn't it probable they are enjoying a resurrection as there are groups well aware of their effective use in stirring up anti-Semitism at the beginning of the last century?


ADL Calls for "Protocols" to be Stricken from Official Palestinian Authority Website (http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/ADL+Calls+for+%22Protocols%22+to+be+Stricken+from+ Official+Palestinian+Authority+Website.htm)

Update: "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was removed from the Palestinian site on May 18 after ADL spoke out.

_____________________________

Jerusalem, May 17, 2005...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called on Palestinian authorities to immediately remove an Arabic translation of the entire "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" from their official State Information Service Web site.

ADL's Israel Office issued the following statement:

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the classic in racist and paranoid literature and has been heralded by anti-Semites around the world as proof that the Jews are plotting to take over the world. While The Protocols have been thoroughly discredited the document is still being used to stir up anti-Semitic hatred especially throughout the Arab world.

It is simply unacceptable particularly at this time of confidence building toward a better future between Israelis and Palestinians for the official Palestinian Authority Web site to display this hoax, which continues to poison and frighten minds. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas should immediately have this document stricken from the Web site for which he is ultimately responsible and devote space to explaining the origins of this dastardly and dangerous piece.



The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

There is only one way in which the Protocols are documented to have been effective - as Neuro implied - and that was in fomenting hatred and fear of Jews.

Perhaps those who are so focused on the possible nefarious Jews are just unawares of the myriad documents from which the forgery was culled.

Afterall, that knowledge would require "all stones ... be overturned to get the big picture".
.

[whitemajikman]

Climate Change is real, caused by man, and easy enough to see and measure that only whackjobs try and pretend it's not. They will tell you that we've burnt billions of tons of fossil fuel, and released chemicals into the Earth's atmosphere at a catastrophic rate for over a century, but that none of that effects climate change, and we're just in some cycle now.

And when they tell you that, just cite from the Protocols, and then say the magic words "gibbity gabbity goo," and a little green man will float over your shoulder, and call you "dum-dum."

Call him the great Gazoo. He prefers that.


ARE YOU ALWAYS THIS INCOHERENT.....?

WHEN YOU HAVE A VENDETTA.....?

LMAO

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Gerry writes:
"the answer to the question is YES, it seems to be working for the Bush cabal."

===

Leave it to Gerry to show attention to the basic question at hand. Thank You.

I do agree also that the methods of the Protocols can be used to essentially take a population hostage to a cabal.

And that Bush and his associated factions appear to be using a system very similar to the Protocols.


So, I think that some that can stick to the subject are onto the theme that WMM wanted to get on the table. But some just have to keep beating the dead horse and trying to pull it back into an anti-semitism issue, when the word Jew was formally removed from the question at hand.

The word Jew or Jesuit was replaced with the more generic architype, like Bush, the GOP, or the industrialists, written into the equation.

So, there is some growing consensus that the Protocols can work and evidence that some of the methods are occuring.

Now, the big question is what is the motive for all these designs to take the public hostage and make a blind run at a New World Order move?

[whitemajikman]

As to your thesis, "is it possible the protocols [are] adopted for use and being employed?"

Most things are possible - as long as they are within the laws of physics.

Is it probable?

Given that this tract is well known and was widely disseminated during the last century, isn't it also probable that seeing patterns wherein the actions of certain groups fit segments of the protocol leads those so inclined to conclude they've - specifically - been adopted and put into action, ignoring the millenia of political and strategic commentary of which they are a distilled compilation designed to defame first one group and then another?

And isn't it probable they are enjoying a resurrection as there are groups well aware of their effective use in stirring up anti-Semitism at the beginning of the last century?




There is only one way in which the Protocols are documented to have been effective - as Neuro implied - and that was in fomenting hatred and fear of Jews.

Perhaps those who are so focused on the possible nefarious Jews are just unawares of the myriad documents from which the forgery was culled.

Afterall, that knowledge would require "all stones ... be overturned to get the big picture".
.


FINE THEN LETS SEE.......IF YOU ARE CORRECT......


PROTOCOL No. 1

1. ....Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.

2. What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the GOYIM [i.e., non- Jews].

3. It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

4. What has restrained the beasts of prey who are called men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?

5. In the beginnings of the structure of society, they were subjected to brutal and blind force; after words - to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature right lies in force.

6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier of the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.

GOLD

7. In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

8. Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes - in any case it can be accounted irretrievable lost: IT IS IN OUR POWER. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy-nilly, must take hold of: if not - it goes to the bottom.

9. Should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reflections as the above are immoral, I would put the following questions: If every State has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict, as for example to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defense, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonweal, be called immoral and not permissible?

10. Is it possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid of reasonable counsels and arguments, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favor with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial? Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, traditions and sentimental theorems, fall a prey to party dissension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority, which, in its ignorance of political secrets, puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.

11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe. Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the GOYIM, but we must in no wise be guided by them.

MIGHT IS RIGHT

12. Our right lies in force. The word "right" is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: Give me what I want in order that thereby I may have a proof that I am stronger than you.

13. Where does right begin? Where does it end?

14. In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.

15. Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.

16. Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let us, however, in our plans, direct our attention not so much to what is good and moral as to what is necessary and useful.

17. Before us is a plan in which is laid down strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labor of many centuries brought to naught.

CONTINUED.......

[whitemajikman]

18. In order to elaborate satisfactory forms of action it is necessary to have regard to the rascality, the slackness, the instability of the mob, its lack of capacity to understand and respect the conditions of its own life, or its own welfare. It must be understood that the might of a mob is blind, senseless and unreasoning force ever at the mercy of a suggestion from any side. The blind cannot lead the blind without bringing them into the abyss; consequently, members of the mob, upstarts from the people even though they should be as a genius for wisdom, yet having no understanding of the political, cannot come forward as leaders of the mob without bringing the whole nation to ruin.

19. Only one trained from childhood for independent rule can have understanding of the words that can be made up of the political alphabet.

20. A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.

WE ARE DESPOTS

21. It is only with a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilization which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.

22. Behold the alcoholic animals, bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the GOYIM are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown stupid on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents - by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the GOYIM. In the number of these last I count also the so-called "society ladies," voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury.

23. Our countersign is - Force and Make-believe. Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

24. Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission. Just but merciless severity is the greatest factor of strength in the State: not only for the sake of gain but also in the name of duty, for the sake of victory, we must keep to the programme of violence and make-believe. The doctrine of squaring accounts is precisely as strong as the means of which it makes use. Therefore it is not so much by the means themselves as by the doctrine of severity that we shall triumph and bring all governments into subjection to our super-government. It is enough for them to know that we are too merciless for all disobedience to cease.

WE SHALL END LIBERTY

25. Far back in ancient times we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll- parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly so well guarded against the pressure of the mob. The would-be wise men of the GOYIM, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in their abstractedness; did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: that Nature herself has established inequality of minds, of characters, and capacities, just as immutably as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob is a blind thing, that upstarts elected from among it to bear rule are, in regard to the political, the same blind men as the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political - to all those things the GOYIM paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested: the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affairs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on, the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of our cause.

26. In all corners of the earth the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. And all the time these words were canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the GOYIM, putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the GOYA States. As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph: it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card - the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the GOYIM, that class which was the only defense peoples and countries had against us. On the ruins of the eternal and genealogical aristocracy of the GOYIM we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications for this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is dependent upon us, and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.

27. Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men, whom we wanted, we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.

28. The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

29. It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.

WMM

[Gerry]

Yeah, she's part of the illumanati too, and like you said, it's a JOKE!!! A joke you apparently don't get.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/georgie.jpg

You are rambling Bubba - Queen Margarethe is not Roman Catholoc. The Illiminati supposedly originated in the RC church and it is reported that Adam Weishaupt, jesuit founded the organization. It's purpose was to do away with all forms of religion and create a word order. Queen Margarethe is neither Roman Catholic nor an Atheist. She is Lutheran. Besides she is a reigning monarch. What in the world would she want to do in an organization like that, assuming it exists. Now, Queen Fabiola of the Belgians belongs to Opus Dei. That organzation bailed out the Vatican bank when it was in trouble and subsequently became a prelature to the Vatican. It built itself a $47 million headquarters on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan. The front entrance is for men only and the side entrance is for women. Women are second class citizens there.

Get your facts

[whitemajikman]

NOW BREAKDOWN PROTOCOL ONE.........

POINT BY POINT .........AND PROVE YOUR CLAIM PASSING THRU........BUT PLEASE OMMIT THE WORD JEW AND REPLACE IT WITH TPTB............

AND THEN EXPLAIN HOW PROTOCOL ONE RELATES TO WHAT IS TRANSPIRING NOW........AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING........

WMM

[PassingThru]

That would probably be because he didn;t answer the question. Neuro is very good in the extra verbiage department, rather than sticking to the question.

the answer to the question is YES, it seems to be working for the Bush cabal.

Neuro is a veritable well of "lots of bits" of superficial information which he gains from predominently communist websites. Which makes all his information slanted. So he is by NO means WELL informed, which confirms the old dictum "a little information in a wrong head is dangerous".
Originally Posted by whitemajikman
YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?

THATS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE...........

IF SOME COMBINED ENTITY IS ACTUALY USING THE PROTOCOLS TO GAIN GLOBAL DOMINANCE.......

NOW NEURO I KNOW YOUR INTELLIGENT.........AND YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY........THATS A GIVEN.....

BUT IN YOUR OPINION ARE THE PROTOCOLS WHICH WERE DEEMED A HOAX.......ADOPTED FOR USE AND BEING EMPLOYED ........?

WMM

oh, they work

they worked for hitler and the nsdap. konrad heiden, one of the earliest anti-nazi activists in munich (c. 1922-23) gave a good account of the history of this vile forgery, (in the book 'der fuehrer' 1944 kingsport press) its influence on alfred rosenberg and later their influence on the nazi strategy of disrupting the shakey democratic process of weimar germany.

Neuro most definitely answered the question - citing the one verifiable, documented, instance in which the Protocols were put to use. That WMM wanted it to be exclusively a question of whether the Protocols are being utilized as an instruction manual today is irrelevant to whether Neuro answered the question.
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[Gerry]

And isn't it probable they are enjoying a resurrection as there are groups well aware of their effective use in stirring up anti-Semitism at the beginning of the last century?

Things that worked for one villain are sure to be resurrected by the next villain.

There is only one way in which the Protocols are documented to have been effective - as Neuro implied - and that was in fomenting hatred and fear of Jews.

You conveniently forget the centuries long persecution of the Gypsies. The Holocaust caused percentage wise far more Gypsies to be killed than Jews. It is quite obvious they have no PR network. In fact it is their belief system that does not allow any discussion on the subject and so to get a true number of those who perished is very difficult. But the numbers are staggering. Current efforts are underway in Europe to document their history and the demise of a large part of their population

Perhaps those who are so focused on the possible nefarious Jews are just unawares of the myriad documents from which the forgery was culled.

Until this thread I had never heard of the "Protocol" so I have NO opinion on its legitimacy. But if the papers describe a world order than that's what would fit the bill of the Bush cabal would it not. ?? I have, over the years, found that those who so compassionately and eloquently speak of the rights of a certain segment of society are some of the greatest violators of their freedom.

[Gerry]

Neuro most definitely answered the question - citing the one verifiable, documented, instance in which the Protocols were put to use.

Neuro did not answer the question which was "are they being employed for use." Present!!!

That WMM wanted it to be exclusively a question of whether the Protocols are being utilized as an instruction manual today is irrelevant to whether Neuro answered the question.
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The question becomes irrelevant because of the answer??? Am I getting this right?

You want to steer this discussion somewhere else don't ye?

[PassingThru]

THE QUESTION:

Originally Posted by whitemajikman

YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?


THE ANSWER:
Originally Posted by Neuroburger:

oh, they work

[Gerry]

THE QUESTION:

Originally Posted by whitemajikman

YES, BUT DO THEY WORK..........?


THE ANSWER:
Originally Posted by Neuroburger:

oh, they work


Are the protocols being used by the neocons?? - Title of the threat.

How many times does the poster have to point that out.???

He then clarifies it with "are they being employed for use??? Present!

Neuro's answer therefore was NOT addressing the question. It was addressing the past, which all of us already know, Isn't that so?

I think you get the point.