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[jayreynolds]

October 3, 2005



Idaho Weatherman Stands By Theory Despite National Ridicule



By Scott Logan




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POCATELLO -
To be clear, weatherman Scott Stevens of Pocatello says he never claimed the Japanese Mafia actually created Hurricane Katrina as revenge for the World War II atomic bombings.

He said they could have.

"I believe they have the technology, as do the Russians and the Americans. As for who actually did it, that's a hard call," Stevens told Local 2 News.

But his comments have brought the Twin Falls native national attention -- and ridicule. He's been in newspapers all over the country and has appeared on national radio and TV shows.

Stevens, 39, also says the Bush Administration has the power to have stopped Katrina, but intentionally did not.

Why not? "It was a federal grab for local and state authority," he said.

Talking with Scott Stevens is to buckle up for a bumpy ride. He speaks passionately about a war waged for economic and geopolitical purposes by nations and groups who manipulate the weather through an electromagnetic global grid.

And, yes, he's aware many meteorologists think he's a kook.

But he insists people, not nature, have been controlling the weather for the past 30 years.

Tim Barker with the National Weather Service thinks the idea is absolutely implausible.

"Well, the weather is actually caused by the sun," Barker told Local 2 News, "and that's a lot of energy, and we humans don't really have the power to put that much energy in the atmosphere."

Since his Katrina comments, Stevens says he has amicably parted ways with KPVI-TV in Pocatello where he worked as a weather forecaster for nine years.

With cameras mounted on his house, he continues to monitor the weather, looking for odd-shaped clouds and contrails of aircraft which he says are dropping barium and aluminum in the atmosphere to alter weather patterns. He talks of book and movie deals and of support from people who also believe the weather is not what it should be.

"The weather has been been stolen from us," he said. "It simply been stolen from us."

Stevens says he may be laughed at now on national radio and TV, but he believes his ideas will ultimately be proven true.

"I may be (considered) wacky," he said, "but soon things will be seen differently, perhaps as soon as the end of the year."

Until then, Scott Stevens is content to find himself in the eye of this controversial storm.

http://www2.kbcitv.com/x68351.xml

[jayreynolds]

The real and
shocking truth of Katrina

Actually there are several, each ridiculous

By Heidi Dawley
Oct 4, 2005


Having watched plenty of news coverage of Hurricane Katrina as it blasted the Gulf Coast, you may feel confident that you know what caused the storm and the devastation that followed. You’d be wrong. You only think you know.
The real truth, the truth your government doesn't want you to know, can be found on the web, and it's a far more intriguing story than great gusts of crashing winds.

You see, the creation of the category 5 hurricane didn’t have much to do with nature after all, never mind that it was in the middle of hurricane season. Nor did the subsequent flooding in New Orleans have anything to do with the levees being in a bad state of repair after years of budget-cutting.

No. The conspiracy theories out there tell us of other darker, more sinister causes.

You could, for instance, blame the Japanese Yakuza mafia. This theory, espoused by such experts as Idaho weatherman Scott Stevens, says that the Japanese mafia is set on getting revenge for the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and has at its disposal powerful Soviet technology developed during the Cold War.

The technology, called giant scalar interferometers, can control weather, cause volcanic eruptions and trigger earthquakes using electromagnetic waves. (Stevens figures a huge earthquake in the western U.S. is next.) The Japanese gangster groups, so goes the theory, are controlling weather over the U.S. under direct KGB supervision. They were the evil force that directed Katrina in the direction of New Orleans.

Another theory, put forth by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and many other activists, argues that the levees were not breached by the storm. No, they were blown up purposely to flood the low-lying areas populated largely by African Americans, thereby saving the mainly white areas from flooding. Or maybe it was to eradicate the homes in the poor areas of the city, allowing real estate moguls to come in and build fancy condos to sell for premium prices.

Who is alleged to have planted the bombs depends on who's touting the theory. Farrakhan, who believes the aim was to get the blacks out of New Orleans, hasn’t said who he thought planted the bombs. But he did quote a web posting by one conspiracy theorist, Hal Turner, who contends the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers found chemical traces of “military grade” high explosives at the New Orleans levees. Some purveyors of the bomb-blast theory cite reports of explosions heard by evacuees shortly before the levees were breached.

Needless to say many experts have torn down this array of conspiracy theories. Weather experts contend that the hurricane was brought about entirely by nature without any help from giant scalar interferometers. It hit the Gulf Coast because of the location of a high pressure ridge.

Levee experts deny finding evidence of explosives at the levees and restate their original explanation: the sheer power of the storm beating against levees already weakened by poor maintenance caused the failure. Whatever loud noises were heard by evacuees were not explosions, they say, but rather the sounds of the hurricane sweeping across the land. Hurricanes are very noisy.

The various Katrina theories began emerging shortly after New Orleans was swamped, and rather than fade they appear to be gaining momentum, despite repeated officials denials, or perhaps because of them.

Where do such conspiracy theories come from? Anthropologist Phillips Stevens Jr. of the University of Buffalo believes they arise out of a human need to find answers for the unanswerable that wrap them in a neat bundle.

“We love conspiracy theories; they are almost always spun by one group about another, or about some network of cosmic forces,” he explains in a statement. “Somehow the suspicion of others is rooted in our evolutionary biology, and it may have a positive function because suspicion of others keeps a group together.”

t seems that while the storm was entirely natural, so was the need to blame it on someone else. Just ask Elvis, who as we all know did not die but chose to disappear for reasons best known to himself.

http://medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_459.asp

[halva]

A physicist here in Athens who has just read Chris Haderer and Peter Hiess's chemtrails book in translation did a spot check among his colleagues to find out who of them thought that 'chemtrails' was a 'conspiracy theory'.

His finding was that none of them did.

[jayreynolds]

October 3, 2005
Idaho Weatherman Stands By Theory Despite National Ridicule
By Scott Logan

POCATELLO -
To be clear, weatherman Scott Stevens of Pocatello says he never claimed the Japanese Mafia actually created Hurricane Katrina as revenge for the World War II atomic bombings.


Oh, really, Scott?
Well what did you say was "The Truth"

From weatherwars.com:
The Truth
Visit the site of Tom Bearden. His work is pioneering in this field. His latest paper is absolutely essential in understanding how this scalar technology works, how long it has been active, who runs it and why and finally what it is immediately capable of. He also discusses what kinds of events are planned for the U.S. in the coming two to three years. This man deserves the Prize for his research.

The following is a brief excerpt from his most recent paper dated October 13, 2004.

So in early 1990, the weather engineering operations over North America were assumed from the FSB/KGB by the Yakuza/Aum Shinrikyo teams, and operations continued with the Yakuza's leased giant scalar interferometers. The weather engineering against the United States continues today under the rogue Japanese teams on site in Russia, with direct FSB/KGB supervision."

[jayreynolds]

A physicist here in Athens who has just read Chris Haderer and Peter Hiess's chemtrails book in translation did a spot check among his colleagues to find out who of them thought that 'chemtrails' was a 'conspiracy theory'.

His finding was that none of them did.
Well. folks, what Wayne hall is saying might just be true.
All he is saying is that they didn't think "chemtrails" were a "conspiracy theory".
He didn't say what they thought 'chemtrails' were.
Did they think "chemtrails" were a hoax?
Did they think "chemtrails" were laughable?
Did they think "chemtrails" were XYZ?
Well, Wayne certainly didn't tell us what they did think, did he?
And of course, Wayne won't support his above claim with anything that can be confirmed, nor wil he ever.
So, what was the purpose and the effect of what he said?
Absolutely nothing.

Wayne, your argument is a failed attempt at the tactic which, in debate, is called "appeal to authority", but in this case, it falls flat because there is no authority invoked, just an unfounded claim, "he said they said".
Sorry, you lose.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Delusional Jay is talking to himself again.

[jayreynolds]

Delusional Jay is talking to himself again.

Jimbo, I'd much rather be talking with you about your claims.
Unless you really don't want to discuss your claims to fame, in which case, the question left begging an answer is:
Who are you, and what are you doing here?

Jimbo, at your website, you wrote:
"I also discovered the ideas for making "Chemtrails" or "Air Pharmacology" to treat the global warming and health effects. My ideas were to use Aluminum to seed clouds that are dispersed from jet plane fuel burning. The ideas also included the dispersion of cheep titanium reduce the effects of fluoride-metal complex metals on animal health. The titanium and fluoride complex did not from the bonding angles that activated the G-protein bonding sites."

Now, Jimbo, I'm wondering about several things.
1. Why did you say you would use "aluminum" back then, but now you say you use "activated alumina". Does this reflect a new idea, or are your claims just evolving over time?

2.How can I get some cheep titanium?

3.Is your claim above that alumina or aluminum is in jet fuel?

4.Exactly what concentration of alumina(or aluminum) is required in the jet fuel for effective global HF remediation?

Jimbo, you make the claim that you are a "whistleblower".
You've dodged the question above for 24 hours.
If you truly did, as you have claimed, invent the process above, why can't you, as a supposed "whistleblower", tell us a little more about the process?

I certainly don't want to cover up or keep anyone from benefitting from your knowledge.

So why not just give us some details?

Is there a reason why you don't want to get into this subject?

Are you frightened by what path continued discussion of your claims might take?

Is it possible that these questions might reveal some holes in your claims?

now I expect you will begin nattering on, trying to deflect attention away from your inability to discuss what you claim to be an expert in, so go ahead if you like, but be aware that if you really want to persuade people, you'll have to at least make an effort.

If you won't, people will begin to wonder why..............?

If so, just tell us why you can't answer the questions above.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The GOP fraud known as Jay Reynolds, who could not figure out HF reacts with Al, is finshed here and everywhere else.

[jayreynolds]

Finished, Jimbo?
Oh, far from finished, I'm just getting started again.
Here, again, is the part you haven't finished, Jimbo:

Jimbo, I'd much rather be talking with you about your claims.
Unless you really don't want to discuss your claims to fame, in which case, the question left begging an answer is:
Who are you, and what are you doing here?

Jimbo, at your website, you wrote:
"I also discovered the ideas for making "Chemtrails" or "Air Pharmacology" to treat the global warming and health effects. [i][b]My ideas were to use Aluminum to seed clouds that are dispersed from jet plane fuel burning. The ideas also included the dispersion of cheep titanium reduce the effects of fluoride-metal complex metals on animal health. The titanium and fluoride complex did not from the bonding angles that activated the G-protein bonding sites."

Now, Jimbo, I'm wondering about several things.
1. Why did you say you would use "aluminum" back then, but now you say you use "activated alumina". Does this reflect a new idea, or are your claims just evolving over time?

2.How can I get some cheep titanium?

3.Is your claim above that alumina or aluminum is in jet fuel?

4.Exactly what concentration of alumina(or aluminum) is required in the jet fuel for effective global HF remediation?

Jimbo, you make the claim that you are a "whistleblower".
You've dodged the question above for 24 hours.
If you truly did, as you have claimed, invent the process above, why can't you, as a supposed "whistleblower", tell us a little more about the process?

I certainly don't want to cover up or keep anyone from benefitting from your knowledge.

So why not just give us some details?

Is there a reason why you don't want to get into this subject?

Are you frightened by what path continued discussion of your claims might take?

Is it possible that these questions might reveal some holes in your claims?

now I expect you will begin nattering on, trying to deflect attention away from your inability to discuss what you claim to be an expert in, so go ahead if you like, but be aware that if you really want to persuade people, you'll have to at least make an effort.

If you won't, people will begin to wonder why..............?

If so, just tell us why you can't answer the questions above.

[Boomer Chick]

Thanks for the Scott Stevens articles, Jay!



Could we stay on topic, here? I love that fact that you started a thread on him!

Maybe we could post all of our Scott Stevens posts here?

What is he saying lately? Got any of his OWN words?

Here's another article: 9/20/05

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2005-09-20-wacky-weatherman_x.htm

Two interviews of Stevens with Meria Heller:
http://www.meria.net/subscribers/interviews/scott_stevens_weather_wars.html



DECONSTRUCTING KATRINA: SCALAR WEATHER WARS *PIC* (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=78103) Rumor Mill News The Tsunami that was Katrina (http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm) Scott Stevens
Katrina makes landfall Monday morning. Many scalar signatures visible as the hurricane rolls over the marshy lowlands of southeastern Louisiana.

[halva]

BC did you read the link showing Reynolds' 'handling' of Toni Thayer and do you defend such a behaviour and such a person?

The many enemies this person has become YOUR enemies given the stance that you take.

[halva]

There could perhaps be some justification for the stance of Christian love and charity if there were the SLIGHTEST evidence that it is appreciated and respected.

Will he even hypocritically PROFESS to respecting you?

Who will ask him?

Here we are in reactive mode again. Thank you, BC.

The ONLY positive comment that can be made about your strategy is that it is superior to that of the number of 'chemmies' that have come here to do battle and subsequently withdrawn.

[jayreynolds]

BC did you read the link showing Reynolds' 'handling' of Toni Thayer and do you defend such a behaviour and such a person?

The many enemies this person has become YOUR enemies given the stance that you take.
Wayne, all I did was ask Toni some questions which made her think better of her responsibilities. The simple fact is that chemmies have a very poor history of supporting their cause with anything but rhetoric. Of course, some of them have handed over hard-earned money to conmen, but really, what have they gotten in return?

For example, just yesterday you admitted you had no proof for "chemtrails". This thing has gone on for years. If every chemmie gave a dollar a day your people could have a war-chest of millions by now.

[jayreynolds]

It just gets worse and worse for Scott Stevens.
Wanna bet this episode, plus his Katrina stuff, is definitely the end of his career?

WRGB WEATHERMAN RESIGNS UNDER CLOUD CHANNEL 6 SAYS STEVENS LIED ON RESUME
Albany Times Union
Section: CAPITAL REGION
Page: B1
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 1995

WRGB WEATHERMAN RESIGNS UNDER CLOUD CHANNEL 6 SAYS STEVENS LIED ON RESUME

CHRIS STURGIS Staff writer

NISKAYUNA Weatherman Scott Stevens has resigned from WRGB (Channel 6) after
station management accused him of lying about his credentials.

In a statement read during Tuesday's 6 p.m. broadcast, David Lynch, vice
president and general manager, said WRGB ``hired Scott Stevens to be chief
meteor-ologist based on faulty information provided by Scott'' and his
agency.
WRGB subsequently learned that ``Scott has never completed the necessary
academic course of studies that would lead him to the official title of
meteorologist,'' according to the statement read by anchorwoman JoAnne
Purtan.

Lynch's statement emphasized that Stevens' allegedly false presentation of
his credentials and the station's concern for its integrity was the issue,
not Stevens' performance.

``During his time at WRGB, Scott Stevens has done a superb job of
forecasting the weather. His knowledge of meteorology and his broadcasting
experience have provided him with the background to serve you well,'' the
statement said.

Meteorologist Steve LaPointe will replace Stevens on the 5, 6, 6:30 and 11
p.m. broadcasts, the station announced.

When contacted Tuesday night, Stevens, 28, an Idaho native, said he never
lied about not completing his bachelor's degree at the University of Kansas.

He said he plans to finish his degree, which he originally put on the back
burner in favor of a television job. ``As a 22-year-old, when you get a good
job offer, that's what talks. My priorities weren't right,'' he said.

He contends that his resignation was forced by a technicality; namely, the
credentials required to be a meteorologist.

``Meteorologist is a very vague term . . . and then when you get into
television on top of that, it adds another whole mix into it,'' he said.

``It's television. It's different than academia. They're buying a
personality. They're buying talent. That's what the TV game is about. It's
about people,'' Stevens continued.

He said he has no immediate plans. ``I wasn't thinking about looking for
work, to be honest with you. It's time to gather the thoughts, and goals and
mind, and go on.''

Stevens said his time in the Capital Region was enjoyable. ``The people have
been surprisingly wonderful. You have a lot of preconceived ideas about New
Yorkers,'' he said. ``I've enjoyed living up here and was looking forward to
a much longer tenure.''
**
Section: LIFE & LEISURE
Page: C5
Date: Thursday, February 16, 1995

EX-CHANNEL 6 WEATHERMAN INSISTS HE DIDN'T LIE ABOUT HIS CREDENTIALS

KEITH MARDER Staff writer

A less-than-specific resume apparently convinced management at WRGB-TV
(Channel 6) to hire Scott Stevens as chief meteorologist a little more than
a year ago.

Stevens resigned from the news station Tuesday after management learned that
he ``had never completed the necessary academic courses that would lead him
to the official title of meteorologist.''
Stevens' resume, which he sent to the station along with a broadcast reel,
states that he attended the University of Kansas from 1984 to 1988. It never
specifically states that he earned a degree, and Stevens says he didn't lie.

``It was more that it didn't come up and I didn't tell,'' he said.

Stevens said WRGB approached him about the job.

``I was looking in the Northwest, not the Northeast,'' he said. ``Out of the
blue, I got a call and it said they were interested in talking to me, and I
obliged.''

Channel 6 news director Neil Goldstein was unavailable for comment Wednesday
on Stevens' resume.

A statement read by the anchors of Tuesday's 6 and 11 p.m. newscasts said
that the station had been misled by Stevens and a ``nationally known talent
agency.''

Stevens' resume, obtained by the Times Union, lists his title at three
previous places of employment as ``meteorologist.''

The resume, however, does say that he is a member of the American
Meteorologist Society, a trade group open only to people with specific
academic credentials.

A call to the AMS said that there was no member named Scott Stevens (or even
Robert Scott Stevens, the name on top of his resume).

A representative of the AMS said in order to be a meteorologist, one must
have a bachelor of science in meteorology; or a BS in a related science such
as physics, plus 12 credits in meteorology; or several credits in specific
courses in five core areas.

Stevens said he was an AMS member two or three years ago. ``There are all
kinds of memberships. All you have to do is pay your dues.''

WTEN-TV's (Channel 10) Steve Caporizzo, an AMS member, said ``You lose a
little respect for someone that calls themself a meteorologist when they did
not go through the hard work or dedication. It takes away from the
profession.''

According to his resume, Stevens previously worked on KJRH, an NBC affiliate
in Tulsa, Okla.), under the title morning meteorologist. He had also worked
in Omaha, Neb. as a prime time meteorologist and at KTKA in Topeka, Kansas,
as chief meteorologist.

Since Stevens joined WRGB in January 1994, the station has promoted Stevens
heavily, calling him a ``scientist'' in promotional material.

``I like the fact, first and foremost, that he is a very good scientist,''
Goldstein said of Stevens last December. ``He's also a very good
communicator. He's a warm guy a friendly guy. It doesn't hurt that he's a
good-looking guy, either.''

Stevens himself said his position ``has always been a hybrid between
entertainment and journalism.''

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Sounds like a bad case for "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black," with Jay Reynolds and his Professional Title fraud leaving little creadibilty for him.

So called "Power Plant Engineer" Jay Reynolds' atmosphere of fraud fails to tell he is not an Engineer, perhaps a "Grease-monkey" or "Sod-buster."

Because real Power Plant Engineers with ethics and real knowledge know their downwind acid plume highly affect weather and rainfall:

====

http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/aciddepo_2003.html

Acid Deposition

(Adopted by AMS Council on 11 September 2003)
Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 85, 299—301

Acid deposition has been studied extensively in the United States and Europe. After completion of many years of study in the 1980s and 1990s, Congress passed legislation to mitigate the undesirable effects of this process. Although it has not received recent attention, acid deposition is still a major concern because it harms many ecosystems worldwide. With the increasing industrialization in other countries, it is anticipated that this problem will accompany increases in atmospheric aerosols. The following statement summarizes the present state of knowledge and uncertainty about atmospheric aspects of acid deposition and provides recommendations.

===

Strong acids have an affinity for water, and therefore hygroscopically grow or combine with water vapor to form "haze" aerosols containing sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and varying degrees of neutralizing ammonia (NH3), especially when atmospheric relative humidities are above 60%–70%. Typically, ammonia and nitric acid are present as both gases and aerosols in the atmosphere, while sulfate partitions predominantly into condensed aerosols. These sulfate-, nitrate-, and ammonium-containing aerosol particles constitute a significant fraction of cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), and thus acid-containing aerosols are readily incorporated into clouds. Precipitation forming within clouds therefore contains dissolved CCN together with other soluble gases such as HNO3 and NH3.

==========

Reynolds, Like some other GOP's that lie we know.

http://www.bartcop.com/rove6-arrest.jpg

[Boomer Chick]

BC did you read the link showing Reynolds' 'handling' of Toni Thayer and do you defend such a behaviour and such a person?

The many enemies this person has become YOUR enemies given the stance that you take.

Hey Halva! How U B?

No I didn't know about Toni Thayer.

The term "enemy" only applies to those who are unjustly and unfairly out to destroy my personhood, my family, or my self. So far I only have experienced family nuerosis, dysfunctionality, closed-minded gossips, jealous menopausal women, and fear-based evangelicals. No human being so far is my labelled "enemy."

I find this administration dangerous and power lusty..... but not really my "enemy."

Is the police force my "enemy?" No.

Is someone online who disagrees with me or has his/her own views my enemy? Are Republicans my enemy? Are Russians and terrorists my enemy?

No.

We are all brothers and sisters and if anything or anyone is our enemy, I would hold out to label the self-centered ETs sooner than I would label anyone in my present life.

Of course if a bunch of weird guys enters my house or property with the intent to take our lives.... oh yeah, they are my enemy and I would defend myself with proper firearms......... as you know, Colorado supports the "make my day law." Taken from a Clint Eastwood movie, it states you have the right to shoot, maim, or even kill someone who is a threat to your life and is on your property.

Other than that scenario, even given that you and others see weather manipulation with the aid of air vehicles some kind of psychotic attempt to cull the population...... I don't happen to agree with that theory at all. Yes, not signing Kyoto is foot dragging, but I don't see that ending in death. And of course, since Ronald Reagan, our nation has gone downhill in terms of global consciousness, environmental responsibility, fairness, and dedication to civil rights.... oh definately. And it's rolled down the slippery slope into war since the stolen 2000 election and on into the next one. Clinton really didn't turn things around much, albeit his fiscal responsibility helped, but he didn't iniate wide sweeping and permanent environmental laws, nor did he accomplish much in the way of controlling the insurance industry or other corporate laws and he signed NAFTA. Yes, he braked the decline of our nation, slightly, but not enough to secure environmental, social, and economic reform not to mention improve his own party to the point of successful dealing with the Republicans. It's a mess.

Thankfully, it seems the power grab has run its course, but we're all saddled with corporate greed run rampant, middleclass culling, increased poverty, a war which kills our young and drains our governmental coffers and stimulates hatred and terrorism, a fiscal mess, bankruptcy laws insuring more poverty, and an atmosphere loaded with pollutants and CO2 . Of course the situation seems dire and many of us aware of peak oil realize the government has been aware of it, too, and has begun to simply take instead of create a transition for all. Stupid.

So, I know it seems our enemy is the elite in power.... but as you'll soon witness, this particular group in power here are going down hard and it is only through truth and justice that it will occur. Apparently the Democrats can't muster enough outrage to convince reasonable Republicans to vote for impeachment just based on the Iraq situation in which we were duped, lied to, and manipulated into occupation...... and nothing has improved..... and no plans given for withdrawal for Iraq independence, and with anthrax, avian flu, bombs in subways we get the "FEAR" treatment just to let us know who's still in control as they begin to feel the pinch and pull of justice closing in on them. It's not going to be pretty, but justice wielded by just men and women will take prisoners of those who would make the whole world a prison.

So are they my enemy, these elite power grabbers? Are they? I work against them, I pray for them, and I thank them for awakening their followers to their wrong paths. Imagine if they had succeeded in brainwashing most Americans into respecting them? Like frogs in a heating pot...... they and we along with them would have slowly died to our freedoms, our justice, and our lives as free peoples.

But it won't happen now. Too many of us have awakened. It will take time to turn things around, but I think and I pray that we will do it with the help of our global brothers and sisters! And we can and will transition off of oil and into other renewable energy sources.

As far as Scott Stevens? It's another parallel tale of the truth rising to the surface, but he could and probably will continue with his effort to find the truth in the possible weather manipulation top secret DOD programs. Yes, SS didn't finish his college courses, and he might just go back to school to do that .... AND.... continue to illustrate and investigate this weather manipulation DOD game. No doubt the satellites and HAARP -type arrays are involved, but more information should also rise to public awareness on this and he will be instrumental.

I like him! I wish him the best.

He was truthful about his resume, and the station decided to hire him anyway and used the resume to oust him fairly because of his controversial opinions. If anything, his "mouth" caused his downfall. But I'm sure his work will benefit more people as a researcher than a local weatherman.

Good luck, Scott!!!

[jayreynolds]

He was truthful about his resume, and the station decided to hire him anyway and used the resume to oust him fairly because of his controversial opinions. If anything, his "mouth" caused his downfall. But I'm sure his work will benefit more people as a researcher than a local weatherman. Good luck, Scott!!!

It sounds like perhaps you are confused, BC.
The article I posted this mortning about Stevens getting fired concerned a New York station he worked at in 1995, not the one he recently got fired from.

His "controversial" opinions, which have now been the subject of national ridicule, didn't come out till 2004 on his website.

He was fired in 1995 at the New York station for a deceptive resume.

His latest "unemployment" occurred shortly after his employer found themselves nationally ridiculed over their employee's ridiculous statement about Katrina. Subsequent revelations that Stevens had been using his work email acount to collect personal "donations" appear to ahve been the last straw.

I predict that Scott Stevens will never again find employment in any capacity related to weather forecasting.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

You mean like Jay Reynolds won't ever be an Engineer, and be found to mislead people on environmental issues.

[Boomer Chick]

It sounds like perhaps you are confused, BC.
The article I posted this mortning about Stevens getting fired concerned a New York station he worked at in 1995, not the one he recently got fired from.

His "controversial" opinions, which have now been the subject of national ridicule, didn't come out till 2004 on his website.

He was fired in 1995 at the New York station for a deceptive resume.

His latest "unemployment" occurred shortly after his employer found themselves nationally ridiculed over their employee's ridiculous statement about Katrina. Subsequent revelations that Stevens had been using his work email acount to collect personal "donations" appear to ahve been the last straw.

I predict that Scott Stevens will never again find employment in any capacity related to weather forecasting.

"According to his resume, Stevens previously worked on KJRH, an NBC affiliate
in Tulsa, Okla.), under the title morning meteorologist. He had also worked
in Omaha, Neb. as a prime time meteorologist and at KTKA in Topeka, Kansas,
as chief meteorologist. "

Oh? I'm confused? Did I not say his "mouth" brought him down?

"Stevens resigned from the news station Tuesday after management learned that
he ``had never completed the necessary academic courses that would lead him
to the official title of meteorologist.''
Stevens' resume, which he sent to the station along with a broadcast reel,
states that he attended the University of Kansas from 1984 to 1988. It never
specifically states that he earned a degree, and Stevens says he didn't lie."

Did I not say the issue of his resume and education was the "legal" way to let him go? They knew about his resume in advance, hired him, and he was successful, attractive, knowledgable, and it was his "mouth" that he should have controlled. He would still be working on television today if he had not been so vocal and used his TV internet site to express opinions.

No, Jay, I was not confused. Sorry.

And I still hold that those who go against the grain of mainline science, will always be ridiculed and held up as "kooks." And as I've said before, because a particular theory fails to receive government funding, backing, or mainstream scientific acclaim does not necessarily mean it is "bad science", hoaxism, fraud, or deception. Example: Bearden.

As far as predicting this guy's future..... WHO KNOWS? He could go back to school, join a team of weather enthusiasts, join Richard C. Hoagland and the gang, write a book...... why he's talented, good looking, intelligent, and the world is his oyster. The jobs on television just seemed to come his way..... he was always interested in the subject, for some reason didn't finish his BA, and so what? Because he didn't finish it, does that mean he's totally incompetent ?

Because he suspects technologies affecting weather patterns, cloud formations, and creating other weather anomolies exist and certain factions and entities utilize and/or experiment with those technologies does not mean he's a "nutcase." Sorry..... he has the freedom to research and report all he wants. Perhaps groups of meteorologists will gather and do the same kind of work before long.

What's your problem with him, Jay? Does he bother you? Does he personally offend you?

I wish him luck!

[stuart_allsop]

OUCH!

Looks like the good Dr. ... errr... sorry I mean "Mr." Stevens is a bigger fraud than we thought. And THAT is saying something!

[Boomer Chick]

OUCH!

Looks like the good Dr. ... errr... sorry I mean "Mr." Stevens is a bigger fraud than we thought. And THAT is saying something!

Hi! Stuey! What's wrong, you jealous of the guy, too?

Hehehe!

[halva]

There is a Greek word 'koutoponiros' which means 'sly in a stupid way'.

Raynolds let me explain to you why you are 'koutoponiros' and thus why you, as I claim, have already lost the debate with me on these threads..

Let us take your harping about the necessity of 'proof' for chemtrails.

What proof do the people who are engaged in the relevant activity need? Do they not know what they are doing? Do none of them know what they are doing?

Some of them would like to be doing it legally. 'Deep Shield' was apparently one.

Jim Phelps, as I interpret him, whatever the nature of, and degree of, his past involvement with US government work, is another. He is against your government hiding what it is doing.

And what about Gregor Benton and his notion that practitioners of geoengineering deserve recognition as ecological heroes and saviours of the planet?

Do none of these ecological heroes and saviours want public acknowledgement for their fine work?

Would a man like Professor Schellnhuber of the Tyndall Centre not like to see the disarming of the 'climate change sceptic' lobby that is making it so difficult for him to do his work effectively?

My answer to these question would be yes. These elite people, these people 'in the know', these 'insiders' are our potential audience and clientele. Not the televiewers and mass media consumers who have to have things 'proved' to them. We are not after the vote of these mass people, and we are not dependent on the politicians who are.

You think we are. That is your mistake. But it is a natural mistake, because you are essentially a stupid, bewildered 'mass' person yourself. You think it is you who are the 'realist'. There is nothing less realistic than your false mass assumptions about 'reality'.

The best way of demonstrating your lack of contact with reality is by charting the career of one of your disciples, WMM. He has now changed sides and is against you.

Why did this happen? I cannot know all the factors, but let me venture to suggest what may have been one of them. Early last year the Athens Ecological Movement organized a public meeting on Climate Change, with a speaker from Greenpeace and with Dr. Katsaros from Demokritos to talk about 'chemtrails', which he did, very effectively.

A few days before that meeting, WMM was raving here about my being a chemmie hoaxer and so on, I invited him to give this information about me to the young man from Greenpeace who would be talking at our public meeting. In his jubilation at being able to nail a 'chemmie', WMM did so. And he got a reply from the young man. Faithful to his training in the methods of Raynolds, WMM then triumphantly posted it here at Arianna's. The young man had indeed expressed reservations about the 'conspiracy theorists' and about my being influenced by them. So Whitemajikman had provided me with a document I could hand to the young man from Greenpeace at the end of our public meeting, asking for his comment on what he had said about me. He was of course extremely embarrassed.

Not long after that, the young man was fired from his job at Greenpeace. I don't know all the details about his firing. It wasn't because of my trying to influence his boss in the way that Raynolds does.
(Yes, BC, you are friendly with a person who does this, repeatedly.) I never said anything about the young man to his boss. But there were one or two half-hearted comments from other people at Greenpeace about him not being up to his job, though his talk on climate change at our meeting had been perfectly competent and professional. Articles he had written on the subject were likewise well-written. What I do know is that his boss would never have been so naïve as to get involved in e-mail discussions about 'conspiracy theorists' with unknown Americans.

His boss does not believe all the stuff about 'conspiracy theorists'. What he says privately is that 'geoengineering shouldn't be taken in isolation'. In public he avoids the subject. I have never seen him being aggressively confronted by a 'chemmie' but I imagine that if he were he would change the subject and be counter-aggressive about climate change.

That is the politics of Greenpeace. It has two sides to it.

I used this incident with WMM to make the point that all had happened as a result of WMM's discipleship with Raynolds is that he had been dragged down, and had acquired the capacity to drag others down with him. This must have been a lesson in 'reality' for WMM, which he discovered was not as Raynolds portrays it.

So don't talk to me about the real world, Raynolds. You are the one who does not live in it. You assume that you 'see through' the virtual reality of the mass media yourself but that everyone else can be relied upon to be deceived by it. That is not so.

I wish BC would begin to have a little consideration for the rest of us and stop talking to Reynolds. There is always the option of private correspondence.

BC, would you not like to make it possible for me to spend more time mastering the subject matter of these threads and less time fighting Reynolds, which I am obliged to do every time he barges in to derail us from focused and constructive discussion.

Does the meaning of the Greenpeace story I told not register with you at all?

Would you invite Reynolds to participate in a discussion with Greenpeace?

If so, please explain why.

If not, why do you invite him to participate in our discussions here?

Please do not tell me about freedom of speech as if the person we are talking about is not an effective silencer and destroyer of the free speech of others. You saw at CTC how the debunkers there were driving away young people who had come to that forum in search of knowledge. It made you angry. You appear to have had other criteria in those days. Why the change?

[jayreynolds]

Let us take your harping about the necessity of 'proof' for chemtrails.

What proof do the people who are engaged in the relevant activity need? Do they not know what they are doing? Do none of them know what they are doing?

My answer to these question would be yes. These elite people, these people 'in the know', these 'insiders' are our potential audience and clientele.

Well, Wayne, since "chemtrails" don't exist, I hope you can handle a life of frustration looking for these elusive 'insiders' you believe exist. In your futile search, I hope you will get used to learning some lessons about how a void fills itself.

The void I'm speaking of sometimes fills itself with liars like A.C Griffith, Scott Stevens, Clifford Carnicom, William Thomas, Whitey, Jim Phelps, David Stewart, and all the other (mis)leaders who have led you on a merry chase so far.

Have fun, Wayne, but remember, I have blue eyes!

[whitemajikman]

Well, Wayne, since "chemtrails" don't exist, I hope you can handle a life of frustration looking for these elusive 'insiders' you believe exist. In your futile search, I hope you will get used to learning some lessons about how a void fills itself.

The void I'm speaking of sometimes fills itself with liars like A.C Griffith, Scott Stevens, Clifford Carnicom, William Thomas, Whitey, Jim Phelps, David Stewart, and all the other (mis)leaders who have led you on a merry chase so far.

Have fun, Wayne, but remember, I have blue eyes!


Your Talk Is Cheap Jay.......

You Say WE Are All Liars ......And Your The Only one Who Knows The Truth........How Convenient for you and your Ego........

Your Megalomaniacal Ranting's are Just that...... Ranting's of a Skeptic who Believes His Opinion Is Far Greater In Worth Than It Really Is..........

Your Claim That We Are ALL Lying is Just MORE Proof that You FEAR what we are Discussing here and in many other places on the net and in public.......

and Not Only Fear but Hateful Fear........

According to You Jay Reynolds.........Nothing Exist's unless you give it your Stamp Of Approval,Which is a farce at best and a Genuine Mental Disorder at Worst.............

I See Stuart Has Decided To Get His Toes Wet.....On Your Behalf.......YET AGAIN ..Bring Him On........This Is an Environment in Which He Does Not Control..........Just As It Frustrates You That You Have No Control.......

Stuart Is A False Arrogant Entity Whom Protrays himself to be a CHRISTIAN But Knows Nothing Of TRUE Christianity..........

He Also Bores The Shit Of Me........Due To His Stance Which Happens To Be Your Stance Jay.........And That stance Is That You People Think Your Infallible and above Scrutiny .............And That You Have All The Answers.........When Clearly REALITY Dictates otherwise........

I Will Not Be Dragged Down By You or The Likes Of Stuart A Second Time .........Because I KNOW The TRUTH............

And The Truth Is Far More Heinous regarding you two Than Even Wayne or Boomer or Jim Or Any Of The Other CHEMMIES Could Ever Imagine.........

WMM

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well, we are all seeing that Jay Reynolds does not know simple chemistry science.

Jay Reynolds can't tell the mechanism for how alumina traps HF, and its a well established fact established by NRC reports.


How that mechnism works is the key to aluminum use in chemtrails mechanisms. Having to admit that mechanism exists would pretty much have Jay Reynolds shooting himself in the foot.


So, he is rather well trapped.

He can play dumb and look stupid and the false Engineer claims bear down, or he can toss out the mechanism and get sudden death for yielding forth the principle mechanism for Al based chemtrails.


He lost another discussion.

[jayreynolds]

Your Talk Is Cheap Jay You Say WE Are All Liars And Your The Only one Who Knows The Truth How Convenient for you and your Ego.

Well whitey wants to talk about truth vs lies, and ego, no less.

Ok, Whitey, what about all this crap you put out over the past years?

Ahhh.....
I have actually gotten to the Bottom of the Chemtrail Phenomena ........And Have gotten The Answers I sought after.
Whitemajikman
Sheeple
Posts: 28
(10/25/03 1:14 pm)
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as soon as you post yours chickiedeb.........ill be happy to post my credentials........ill give you a little hint tho.....i am a rhoades scholar.........and have several degrees......from three of the top learning institutions in the world.....i am not afraid to put my name out on too a posting board.....so as soon as you post your degrees on this board mine will follow then you can begin investigating my long and varied career as i will yours.......but i fear as always.......you will not comply with reasoning.......you will either ban me.......or you will come up with some other excuse why you cant post your credentials.........so......it begs for questioning are you willing to take me up on this offer or not?.......it all comes down to responsibility.......are you responsible enough in your judgement to finally know the truth about me.......and of course there is the other question that remains unanswered to you have the intestinal fortitude to stand by your attacks............without showing any shred of proof that you are qualified in making all the assumptions.......you have previously made..............only time will tell.........sincerely the whitemajikman........
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Whitemajikman
Sheeple
Posts: 30
(10/25/03 2:34 pm)
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msc from m.i.t.......phd from oxford......and several other associate degrees.............all before i was 25........also....your belief that chemtrails do not exist goes against the findings of the world meteorological society......which has studied the phenomena........for the last 15 years...............what you must consider is this.....if we can seed clouds........how far of a leap is it to surmise that instead of iodine.......barium sulphate is being substituted .It would seem to me that it would be very simple to do ....even at high altitudes .......but i think what has been lost on all of the debate is the question of "why"...........that i can answer......haarp on their official website.......a government website...........states that barium sulphate is indeed being used to promote the effects of haarp's experimentation.......so i conclude that the chem trails everybody is trying to debunk here do in fact exist......and are a part of the experimentation that is needed for the haarp project to succeed.........end of conspiracy.........except for one huge fact.......barium sulphate is very toxic....and causes numerous health problems..........and it is being used daily.......at concentrations far exceeding the safe limit.......what you all should be asking yourselves is who gave the government permission to use such a device without public and enviromental controls in place..........that is where the real conspiracy........starts.
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Sheeple
Posts: 31
(10/26/03 2:23)
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Here is a bit of wisdom for all you non-believers.........ive only been posting here for a little over 2 weeks...........but my esteemed colleagues.....have been posting here for months.....trying to let you in on the big secret behind chemtrails.............most of my colleagues work at haarp and designed the chemical composition that makes up chemtrails......but thats another story..........what im about to do goes against my better judgement............all of you chemtrail debunkers indirectly work for me and my esteemed colleagues and im sick and tired of all the bullshit and irrational thought that has come about regarding my research ....so in light of all you naysayers.........i propose this................all of you get together and come up with a concensus of what proof you would deem fit to finally lay to rest chemtrails forever.......once you have that concensus............i will provide all proof........including manifests,names of chemical companies which knowingly supply the chemicals,research data from haarp and its chemtrail experimentation,names of all politicians both canadian and american who know whats going on,high-resolution sattelite imagery of jets releasing their chemtrails with both canadian and american insignia,the true purpose of chemtrails,security camera footage of the inner workings of haarp.......and the most important piece of the puzzle...... some of the people among you who recieve large amounts of money to keep this forum up and running........now im talking there real names,birthdates,backgrounds,whom they really work for and what exactly there main directives are.........i told you all previously that i am well known in many circles......and by the way the only kooks there are on this forum are the debunkers that spend all their time living a lie............now is the time for reality at its finest.................will you take my challenge or will you all run and hide...........thats the big question..........oh and banning me from this sight will not work........either im a free man......always have been..........there is not a security protocol that i cant crack.............it was part of my extensive education............so..........do you all have the guts or will you run...............
Whitemajikman
Illumi~Naughty
Posts: 1647
(4/24/05 4:31 pm)
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DURING MY WEEKEND JAUNT TO C.F.B. WAINWRIGHT......
HERE IN ALBERTA......
I BROUGHT UP A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE INCREASE IN THE CONTRAILS IN THE SKY......
TO ABOUT A DOZEN MILITARY PILOTS BASED IN WAINWRIGHT.....
MANY I HAVE KNOWN SINCE GRADE SCHOOL.....
RIGHT OFF THE BAT.....
I WAS CHASTIZED FOR CALLING THEM NORMAL CONTRAILS.......
BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING NATURAL IN REGARDS TO THOSE DREADED LINES IN THE SKY......
YOU SEE ALBERTA AND MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD ARE DIRECTLY BENEATH HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER........
OR ARE SUBJECTED TO THIN OZONE LEVEL'S........
THOSE LINES IN THE SKY .....SPREAD OUT.......AND CREATE
A FILTER....BY PRODUCING CLOUD COVER......
THEIR WORDS NOT MINE......
SO IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW INFORMATION......FROM THE ACTUAL PILOTS THEMSELVES.....
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REOPEN THE CHEMTRAIL DEBATE.......
ANY TAKERS.....?WMM

5/25/2005
you see Jay Jay.....
I am not going to post my findings........
I am going to publish them........
WMM
You See Jay Jay......
I don't need to provide PROOF......of my associations......
Jay I Will Give You Time to RETHINK your POSITION BEFORE I REALLY GET SERIOUS IN DEBUNKING YOU.
2005 is the year THE TRUTH ABOUT CHEMTRAILS(CONTRAILS) will be FOUND.

[whitemajikman]

Well whitey wants to talk about truth vs lies, and ego, no less.

Ok, Whitey, what about all this crap you put out over the past years?

Jay Instead Of Using Slander you could have JUST ASKED For a Debate regarding the existence of Chemtrails.........a No-Holds barred Debate.........

Lets do it right here on this Site........

A.S.A.P.

We Can invite Some Web Journalist's.........From Around the Globe........That Way When You Lose .....YOU LOSE ONCE AND FOR ALL...............


WMM

[jayreynolds]

Since when are quotes slander?

Ok, let's debate any of your claims above.

Invite whomever you wish.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The Jay Reynolds fake Engineer that is supposed to know all about aluminum uses in water plants and refineries, doesn't know the mechanism for alumina trapping HF.

Yet, he admits it happens and has known so all along, but lied about knowing to support his fake agendas.

[whitemajikman]

Since when are quotes slander?

When They Are Taken Out Of Context as you have done........

Ok, let's debate any of your claims above.

No Let's Debate Chemtrails........Thats why Your Here in The First Place .........To Try And Shut Down All Scrutiny..........

Invite whomever you wish.

Good I Shall.......

WMM

[jayreynolds]

When They Are Taken Out Of Context as you have done.......

Like I asked you before, show the context and we'll see, otherwise, I stand by the quotes.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

You mean that context of your being a "power plant engineer" that well knows the acid emissions of power plants highly influence the downwind cloud nucleation and weather?

Those kinds of true contexts for which the CTC types are beginning to see just what a GOP delusion promoter that Jay Reynolds is really all about.


I think we have the complete context and the ground quakes below Hoaxer Jay Reynolds' infirm footing of lies.

Basic logical deduction=Jay Reynolds lost by total failure to be honest on environment.

[jayreynolds]

Yes, Jimbo. Unlike you when I state something the facts are corroborable. Anyone who wants to confirm that I worked for many years as a power plant engineer only needs to be honest with me. They will be given a complete set of work references and a resume they can check out.

Contrast this with Jim Phelps and Whitey's sorts of 'claims to fame' with nothing to back them up!

[Boomer Chick]

Partly Cloudy With Chance of World War

Idaho Now Short One Wild WeatherGuy



By Shea Andersen, 9-26-05

http://www.newwest.net/images/thumbnails/Scott.jpghttp://www.newwest.net/images/spacer.gif Scott Stevenshttp://www.newwest.net/images/spacer.gifIt was too good to last.

Scott Stevens, the Idaho Falls weatherman that was getting Idaho the sort of national attention it so rarely craves, has hung up his laser pointer.

Faithful readers will recall (http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/3452/C108/L108) Stevens as the weatherman who had a forward-thinking theory that hurricanes were not the result of ocean currents and weather shifts, oh no. Nope, they're a new weapon, people.

Though he was not known to espouse this theory on the air, he nonetheless maintains a Web site (http://weatherwars.info/) chock full of the sort of information they don't teach in meteorology classes.

He'd picked up a bit of the "news of the weird" attention, and it was a gay old time, given that his colleagues and other weather experts generally issued the sort of reserved opinions scientists are known for. I believe "absolutely nuts" was one such conclusion.

Anyhow, today I find out from KTVB Channel 7 (http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-sept2305-scott_stevens.87b077e7.html) that Stevens is gone.

Ah, fame. We hardly knew ye. Scott: keep us posted. I'm stocking up on umbrellas.

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/3527/C108/L108

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay Reynolds is not an Engineer.

Looks to me like Jay Reynolds is a corrupted science idiot and a proven liar. He can't keep up in simple discussions of chemistry. Can't discuss polar molecule effects on atmospheric aerosols. Or is that won't keep up with the discussion.


The Polar molecule Alumina is the cloud forming agent in aluminum chemtrail methods.

Even Mother Nature knows alumina's special affinity for water, as bauxite (which is alumina mostly) has a lot of water hydration. Similarly, any alumina has a very high affinity for water. Both are polar compounds (water and alumina) and alumina will highly attract water in the atmosphere.

Lots of the acids in the atmosphere are also polar compounds and have a very high affinity for water, hence they are called hygrosopic.

One can easily see this polar molecule hygroscopic effect around Oak Ridge when HF vapors are released due to UF-6 leaks. Every time HF is released to air, its polar characteristics make for huge hygroscopic effects and dense white fogs of water vapor forming. One can see the same effects from coal smoke's acids and air inversions that make the poison fogs around Denora and other sites that kill people.


Same effects happen when alumina compounds are released from Jet Planes, and when the alumina naturally meet up with the acids in the water aerosols of the air, it forms ever more hygroscopic compounds and lingering white clouds to reflect IR radiation.

This is a method to compensate for the loss of the phytoplankton sulfur cycle products like DMS and SOx compounds that form clouds naturally. Such processes and others like them make jet chemical emissions a little more friendly toward global warming problems. Which is the reasons visible chemtrails are allowed to occur.


One can look in chemical reference books and spot several C-H-O based compounds of aluminum that are soluble in oil and jet fuels and even take note of the ethyl corportations making of metal alcohols that do the same.

The Al process even works with water vapor injection into the compressor zone, which highly increases jet engine efficiency and lowers jet chemical emissions problems still further. Jets emit chemical plumes, which are accurately called chemical trails. Chemtrails sciences seek to modify jet environmental effects.


Thus, it is now shown why Jay Reynolds wants to ignore the factors like coal smoke inversions making cloud fogs, because this polar compound effect is what makes the clouds form. The polar compound effects of acids in the air from coal smoke make the aerosol particles. Similarly, alumina can cause the same problems and when it comes into contact with these acid aerosols even enhances the effects and forms larger particles.


Thus, all the really easily realizable science behind how polar compounds form aerosols in the atmosphere, shown now with many common sense examples.

And the clear reasons that crooked Jay Reynolds is attempting to avoid the discussion of polar molecules like alumina and its affinity for water and water aerosols in the atmosphere.


If Jay Reynolds acknowledged this mechanism's existance, it sends him to the pits of Hell on the one- way express elevator with no return ticket.


Obviously, Jay Reynolds is caught once again in attempts to lie and avoid discussions of the common sense examples of atmospheric aerosol sciences of polar compounds.


Now that Jay Reynolds true colors of being a GOP crook are showing up loudly in red letters. It cames time to dump him and his misinformation tactics from honest discussions.

[Boomer Chick]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/storm2005/

News about Scott Stevens spread to Florida!



Goodbye, tinfoil hat

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/03/36/84/image_1584363.jpg
Post reporter Bob King Another hurricane conspiracy theory: Idaho TV weatherman Scott Stevens is convinced (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2005-09-20-wacky-weatherman_x.htm) that Katrina was an attack from Japan's Yakuza mobsters wielding Soviet-era electromagnetic weather-modifying weaponry. And much like O.J. Simpson devoting his life to finding Nicole's real murderer (how's that going, by the way?), Stevens has resigned (http://www.journalnet.com/articles/2005/09/23/news/local/news05.txt) from KPVI "in order to pursue his weather theories on a full-time basis," the Idaho State Journal reports.

Stevens also will be working on his web site (http://www.weatherwars.info/), where he notes (http://www.weatherwars.info/katrina.htm) that Ivan and Katrina "are both very Russian sounding names." Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

No word yet from Stevens on whether Fidel Castro, diehard Manuel Noriega supporters or Colombian drug cartels caused Hurricane Rita. He'll keep us posted, I'm sure.

[Boomer Chick]

Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird (.922)

WEEK OF OCTOBER 9, 2005

LEAD STORY

In September, nine-year veteran weathercaster Scott Stevens of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, Idaho, resigned to pursue his obsession of proving that the massiveness of Hurricane Katrina must have been caused by a Russian-made electromagnetic generator employed by the Japanese Yakuza in retaliation for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The "patterns and odd geometric shapes" in the sky are "unmistakable" evidence, according to his Web site, that "our weather has been stolen from us." Station manager Bill Fouch said that Stevens was great at forecasting local conditions and that he was sorry to lose him. [Idaho State Journal, 9-23-05]

http://channels.netscape.com/atplay/weird.jsp?floc=atplay-ghost-l2-2

[spirithelps]

Wayne, all I did was ask Toni some questions which made her think better of her responsibilities. The simple fact is that chemmies have a very poor history of supporting their cause with anything but rhetoric. Of course, some of them have handed over hard-earned money to conmen, but really, what have they gotten in return?

For example, just yesterday you admitted you had no proof for "chemtrails". This thing has gone on for years. If every chemmie gave a dollar a day your people could have a war-chest of millions by now.

Hi Wayne -- Toni Thayer here! Still trying to deal with Jay? I thought he was long gone and banned from active forums.

I just want to set the record straight here since Jay is lying through his teeth once again. Jay's questions to me, back in 2000, certainly DID NOT MAKE ME THINK BETTER OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES (whatever Jay fully means by this). In fact, he gave me an excellent opportunity to tell everyone about myself and about chemtrails. Unless Jay was instrumental in the threats and intimidations that my family and I received, he had absolutely nothing to do with me dropping out of the chemtrail limelight for a year or so.

In reality, this is how God works. As I dropped out of chemtrails, I met a man who was inquiring about chemtrails and who led me into another part of the One World Order scheme of things that had already stolen his town, Escalante, Utah, USA. So, from chemtrails, I went to researching the UN treaties, how the enviro groups are led by global developers and investors and have a true purpose of securing the world's resources, not producing a healthy living environment, and how the UN treaties are stealing our private property and rights. Related to this, are chemtrails, the drought, the "manmade" global warming, and the enviro leaders involvement in chemtrails and water and their actions of privatizing and taking control of water worldwide.

In 2000, before leaving Flagstaff AZ I was the green candidate for city council, took chemtrails to the largest Flag enviro group, the Grand Canyon Trust (GCT), and realized when they turned me down that they were not concerned about the environment. My 2003 research into the GCT proved it all, their members of the board of directors aren't environmentalists at all -- they drill for oil, mine for coal, are the world's largest developers, real estate investors and traders, own airlines and micro chips, involved in the UN, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. It made perfect sense that they did not want to stop chemtrails.

Then, I hoped to bring the western ranchers and private property owners together with the chemtrail movement since they are both connected, and since all of my life I've been an organizer. The ranchers who are outside every day knew from their own experience that the jet trails were abbe-normal and changing the weather, they just aren't online and didn't know that we had dubbed them "chemtrails".

Jay is correct, however, in the people's lack of action. As an organizer, I've attempted two times to get us together in a cohesive voice, all speaking together which gives us clout in massive numbers -- they could not ignore us then. Blue Skies never came together formally. I have had one 501(c)(3) group approved by the IRS -- Spirit Helps. It too has failed to draw in the public.

Even though people believe and know about all of this stuff, they are afraid of actually putting their names behind their talk. I call this walking their talk. I walk my talk each and every day of my life. Right now, in these specific times, it is very important that we all walk our talk . . . it is all about our choices, our decisions and our actions.

Toni Thayer
http://www.colorcountrycourier.com

PS Jay, once again, you have inspired me. I've just posted some new chemtrail photos on the Courier's home page. Thank you!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ha---so much for Jay Reynolds' Quackery Truth serum.

Jay Reynolds be a real power plant engineer too, NOT.


It is getting to the point of rediculous now that Jay Reynolds sounds like a Richard Nixon attempting the telling of: "I am not a Crook."

Most soon figured out there was more to Nixon being a crook, like the Water-gate break-in being aimed at finding photos associated with the JFK hit and Nixon's Good Ole Boys from the "Bay of Pigs" thing. Paranoid Nixon was afraid the DNC was going to run an indictment campaign photo for him in the next election. Good Ole Boy Gerald Ford, From the Warren Commission cover up, pardons paranoid Nixon to keep the real motives behind Watergate concealed.

And most have figured out there is more to crooked Jay Reynolds attempting to tell there is no man-made global warming and there have been no efforts on coal emissions or jet plane emissions via chemtrails methods to alter their impacts on environment. Obvously, there have been long standing efforts to alter jet plane impact on environment from fuel redesign, to engine redesign, to additives. This process has made ugly lines in our skies, which are unwelcome for many reasons.

Efforts to gain ways to lessen this environmental harm are real, and so are the ways environment emissions associate with weather problems, and how to control these to affect less weather impact.


It is evident these days that Jay Reynolds is a crook of the same caliber as a Mike Brown, with forged credentials, and the screw ups there evident for the harm to people of pre-exisiting dangers that were ignored. The whole GOP process from Texas has been about re-drawing lines to gain control. The lines have been redrawn there days into reals of criminal efforts for war, for cover up on environmental emissions influencing the weather, etc.


Just like Gerald Ford tried to keep the elephant in the living room of the White House from the American People, so do lots of efforts of corrupt GOP factions attempt to fool the public on varied issues today.

The chief GOP pundit on the internet for global warming cover ups and jet plane weather impact games is crooked GOP Jay Reynolds.

[halva]

Toni's letter confirms that it is his own political milieu and reference group that Jay Reynolds has, in the first instance, been attacking.

The result of this is that the chemtrails/geoengineering issue is passing to other political groups who are less hostile to the United Nations and less susceptible to the attacks of a Jay Reynolds.

[halva]

Hi Wayne -- Toni Thayer here! Still trying to deal with Jay? I thought he was long gone and banned from active forums.


He has found the one forum that refuses to ban him.

Arianna obviously wants us to have Reynolds to discipline us so that we don't get ideas TOO MUCH above our station.

[halva]

jayreynolds wrote:

A notice to all "chemtrail" cult promoters:

CEASE AND DESIST PROMOTING THE "CHEMTRAIL" HOAX

I will personally do my best to encourage state and Federal prosecution for as many "chemtrail" promoters as I can. I will recommend they be tried under federal RICO and state criminal syndicalism laws if US citizens, and as enemy combatants if non-US.

[jayreynolds]

Wayne, in your last posting on this thread, you left out the relevant context, which were public threats made on a "chemtrails" hoax message board to shoot down airplanes making contrails:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=37504&postcount=1624

"A notice to all "chemtrail" cult promoters:

CEASE AND DESIST PROMOTING THE "CHEMTRAIL" HOAX

The longer it continues the more opportunities that exist for this hoax, already a magnet for nutcases, to find a mass murderer fit to cause the terrorist threats frequently made at "ChemtrailtrackingUSA".

The most recent threats were made in posts #110676 and 110677, now deleted.

The moderator is now begging members to stop making threats, because I have already notified yahoo that they have made a practice of allowing such threats to be posted and to remain on their board in the past.

I will personally do my best, if such an incident ever occurs, to encourage state and Federal prosecution for as many "chemtrail" promoters as I can.
I will recommend they be tried under federal RICO and state criminal syndicalism laws if US citizens, and as enemy combatants if non-US.

Please note that Wayne Hall purposely deleted the above text in red to suit his propaganda purposes. Perhaps Wayne Hall would like to explain what he feels should be done about people who would provoke terrorist incidents by a continuation of a hoax whoich portrays ordinary airplane flights as an assault?

Wayne, explain your position, and why you chose to misquote my statement?
Is this the way things work for you?
Didn't your misquoting of Ross Gelbspan teach you a lesson?
Is this the level of corruptness you are willing to stoop to?
Where does it end?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Maybe Toni can help everyone's insight on what was going on in Flagstaff that brought persons like William Cooper, Brian Downing Quig, and others to greater insight. Even self.

We can begin to see the real Jay "I am not a Crook" Reynolds from those beginnings.


Jay Reynolds has the appearance of someone with associations to a corrupt intelligence background, which is how he got to be so buddy-buddy with William Cooper. William Cooper had the connections via Naval Intelligence to know many of the inside stories, and did know lots of them.


One of the problems with Naval Intellegence is corruption, from the times of JFK, New Orleans, and Jim Garrison looking at cover up problems, till now and the climate cover ups.


Jay "I am a Crook" Reynolds appears sent in to manage those leaks and still is attempting to control the leaks.

[halva]

Raynolds you do not have any place at all in my particular counter-terrorism strategy. I cannot arrest you. All I can do is try to counter you.

Why don't you start concentrating on those laws about farm animals that Catherine Austin-Fitts was telling us about, and get in to forestall them before they turn from voluntary into compulsory.

You might find yourself driven to terrorism yourself if you don't start taking your measures now as a person desiring to remain a law-abiding citizen.

There seem to have been terrorists in your personal reference group. You are much closer to the phenomenon than I am. Virtually everyone I know is hostile to the gun-culture, and the one or two exceptions are precisely that, exceptions, who are welcome in our circle precisely because they don't mind being exceptions.

[jayreynolds]

Another web page devoid of any substance by Scott Stevens:
http://www.weatherwars.info/october05.htm

Where's the proof, Scott?

[jayreynolds]

Raynolds you do not have any place at all in my particular counter-terrorism strategy. I cannot arrest you. All I can do is try to counter you..
Let the record show that Wayne Hall has no compunction about deliberately misquoting others to achieve his "strategy". This "strategy" includes those of his own reference group such as Ross Gelbspan, who forced Wayne Hall to remove misquoted text which Hall had posted to make it falsely appear that Gelbspan supported the "chemtrails" hoax.

He also misquoted Jim Phelps, the IPCC, and Edward Teller, so, Wayne, who's the next target of your "strategy"?

[halva]

It is very sad for Ross Gelbspan that he is frightened of you.

Of course he lives in the United States, which represents the maximum geographic range of your past and shrinking effectiveness.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Let the record show that no one thinks much of Jay "I am a crook" Reynolds.

[spirithelps]

[QUOTE=Insurrectionchemistry]Maybe Toni can help everyone's insight on what was going on in Flagstaff that brought persons like William Cooper, Brian Downing Quig, and others to greater insight. Even self.

We can begin to see the real Jay "I am not a Crook" Reynolds from those beginnings.


Something's definitely up in Flag, that I know. From here to there, it's an area that naturally draws people like me and Cooper because it's unpopulated (even more so when Cooper lived in AZ) and the climate is the very best. Topography is ever changing, from high mountain tops, to mid elevation canyons, and lower deserts.

I guess I woke up to chemtrails because Flagstaff was so very heavily sprayed (6 out of 7 days on the average) and the environment is so dry they stand out in stark contrast to the solid blue, blue skies that Flag used to be known for. I also used to skydive, so am aware of altitudes, how planes fly, and commercial jet traffic. The grids overhead didn't make sense, nor did the 3 jets flying parallel to one another.

First, I should say a few things about Flagstaff. The legend is that if it draws you to it, you will come and stay until it's done with you. This has been true for me and many others. For the Hopis, the mountains there, the San Francisco Peaks, are sacred. And, of course, Clinton's former Dept of Interior Bruce Babbitt comes from there. Energetically, it's been a very special place.

Bill Cooper lived in Camp Verde, 50 miles south of Flagstaff. I dunno Brian Quig, will have to look him up (no one else in Flag was awake, found some in Jerome). I talked with Cooper on the phone back in the early 1990's just after I read his book "Behold A Pale Horse". I didn't know about chemtrails then, even though many of my old photos show it was going on overhead. At that time, Cooper was afraid for his life and didn't really want to talk to people he didn't know. We basically just talked about his book and stuff in it. I also lived in the Verde Valley then, in Cottonwood.

I've discovered since leaving Flagstaff that it has a lot going on, globally, but I wasn't in tune to the connectivity of it when I lived there. For one, the U.S. Navy has several observatories there and personnel. The Navy and Lowell Observatory (where Pluto was discovered) began a joint project around 1999-2000. It's the world's most advanced observatory and doesn't resemble the traditional ones at all.

The man in charge of the project was a friend of mine, Nat White, a scientist from Lowell and former city councilman. He took me up to see it just before completion. It's situated on a tall mesa that faces the San Francisco Peaks and Mt. Elden (mountains on the north side of Flagstaff) and operates with small telescopic sensors at ground level all over the place. These send back images to a centrally located computer in a building. Nat made the comment that they could see the whiskers on a mouse up on the Peaks if they wanted. (again, I wasn't aware of chemtrails back then). Mt. Elden is where most of the town's towers are located.

Then, of course, just west of Flagstaff is the Navajo Army Depot. It used to be federally owned, but around 2000, they turned it over to state National Guard. Lots of secret things have been going on there for the past 20-30 years. One US Senator from Flagstaff, Karen English, tried to find out what was buried there (local workers reported night time, undercover burying of 55 gallon drums and other activities). She never, ever discovered anything, no one would tell the good Senator a damn thing.

Now, back to the Verde Valley . . . I have old skydiving photos from the Rim Rock area of the valley from the early '70s with sporadic chemtrail spraying in the pics. In 2002, while driving from Flagstaff to southern Utah, I stopped in a Page, AZ restaurant (Lake Powell and Glen Canyon Dam). All of their walls were covered with 1960-70's blown up pictures -- all of them had extensive CT spraying. The Lake Powell area is to this day one of the most heavily sprayed areas that I have travelled through. The CT drought was about to dry up the lake totally (something they want because this area is a designated UN core reserve where no people are ever to step foot again, which means they have to drive a lot of us out of here). So, my conclusion, based on my old photos and others I've found is that the southwestern US was where they developed the technology (much like Nevada's nuclear bomb tests which sent radioactivity over southern Utah for years and years) because it's very sparsely populated even today (where I live has been classified as the last unexplored area in the US and still is unexplored because of the remoteness and extreme topography).

Flagstaff also has global heavy hitters coming to town. Sam Walton Jr (aka Rob) of Wal-Mart fame has set up a residence there during the past couple of years. The Grand Canyon Trust, a local enviro group, has many global developers on their board of directors. These are not just any developer, but the world's biggest and richest. The group's IRS purpose is to protect the area where I'm now living in southern Utah.

The canyons of southern Utah are the headwaters to the Colorado River and filled with riches. They have the world's cleanest burning coal (so clean factories don't need scrubbers) and the deposit is so large that they can't even put a value on it. All throughout this area are gems, gold, uranium, oil, natural gas and much, much more. The GCT has shut down all of these operations, and we're going broke even though we're surrounded by riches.

Utah also makes water, and it's probably the state's greatest resource. The water from Utah's streams feed the Colorado River which provides water to every state and large metropolitan area downstream -- Nevada, Arizona, California (LA, San Diego). If they dry up Lake Powell, these places will have no water (we stopped the drought in the southwest with orgone by many, many of us from LA, Phoenix, Tucson, Utah, Nevada).

The UN's Wildlands Project has claimed all of this area -- from southern Utah to south of the Grand Canyon and to Flagstaff -- as their very own and are currently in the process of driving us out of here. We are fighting it like crazy, but slowly loosing the battle. Once the Wildlands Project is complete, most of the West will be unpopulated with only designated city centers here and there (most cities will be gone by the wayside), and Flagstaff is a designated "hub" city.

When talking about the future destruction of America, in the 1930's, prophet Edgar Cayce said if you could see the Peaks outside of Flagstaff, you would be in a "safe" zone. Other safe areas are the Four Corners (where AZ, UT, CO, NM meet) and Hopi lands.

Another weird thing that happened in Flagstaff in 2000 was the election of a Virginian named Rick Renzi as a US Representative for northern AZ. He wasn't from Flagstaff, residents contested the validity of his candidacy since he wasn't a resident, he's a Republican and Flagstaff has been solidly Democratic ever since I moved there in 1972. So, I looked into him and was astounded. I wrote about it, it made the rounds throughout Flagstaff, but still Renzi was elected (I don't trust any American election anymore).

As it turns out, Renzi is the son of a huge Virginia defense contractor. Rick supposedly was in Washington DC on the freeway on 9/11 and allegedly was a witness to the Pentagon plane crash. Amazingly, out of all of the eyewitnesses, BBC news picked Rick to interview. Rick's eyewitness account differed from others'.

And, just prior to leaving Flag in 2000, I would wake up every morning around 3 am to 4 am and hear mechanized humming from underground. If I went outside, I couldn't hear it. The sound seemed to come up through the walls of the house so that you could only hear it inside.

Other weird things about this general area are:

The old copper smelting facility in Clarkdale (Verde Valley) that's been extensively renovated. It now resembles a concentration camp . . . it's called Transylvania (of all things, and I have pics).

I'm sure you've all heard about the black helicopters in the Sedona area (next to Verde Valley and just below the Mogollon Rim/Flagstaff) for the past 20 years.

Area 51 north of Las Vegas is just to the west of all of this Colorado Plateau (from Flagstaff and including southern Utah canyonlands).

Clinton and Babbitt stole 2.1 million acres here and called it the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. The military owns the air space. I believe it's part of Area 51. Weird things happen out there and areas are being shut off from the public. Like I said, it's the last unexplored area of the U.S., extremely remote and rugged. Virtually unpopulated.

[jayreynolds]

Now, back to the Verde Valley . . . I have old skydiving photos from the Rim Rock area of the valley from the early '70s with sporadic chemtrail spraying in the pics. In 2002, while driving from Flagstaff to southern Utah, I stopped in a Page, AZ restaurant (Lake Powell and Glen Canyon Dam). All of their walls were covered with 1960-70's blown up pictures -- all of them had extensive CT spraying.

But Jimbo Phelps claims to have invented "chemtrails" only during the mid '80's.
Perhaps what you say you see in those old pictures were just ordinary contrails, Toni?



The canyons of southern Utah are the headwaters to the Colorado River and filled with riches. They have the world's cleanest burning coal (so clean factories don't need scrubbers) and the deposit is so large that they can't even put a value on it.
Well, not according to Jimbo Phelps. He says that coal has so much flouride in it that it is practically poison.

If they dry up Lake Powell, these places will have no water (we stopped the drought in the southwest with orgone by many, many of us from LA, Phoenix, Tucson, Utah, Nevada)..

Jim Phelps scoffs the idea of cloudbusters, and so do I. He calls them "Pipe Organs".
I call the people who claim they actually do something "Organ Grinders".

Come on, Toni, it's no wonder nobody paid much attention to you. When you get going, it turns out you are just another crack-pot. What's next, do you really believe in aliens?

[foot_soldier]

Toni's letter confirms that it is his own political milieu and reference group that Jay Reynolds has, in the first instance, been attacking.
Very perceptive observation.

[whitemajikman]

Very perceptive observation.


I have too second that observation......

WMM

[spirithelps]

Jay, you are really sad, sad, sad. I don't know who Jim Phelps is. You obviously worship the dirt he walks on. I've done my research (and it comes from many varied sources, not just one person), and I'd recommend you do the same. Say what you will, you have been doing that for the past 5 years anyway, but this is my last post to you because you have no interest in learning, only debunking.

For those of you who are experiencing drought, I can personnaly vouch for orgone. One lady kept us all from trying it years ago through her repeated warnings. One day I decided I was gonna look into it. It's quite amazing . . . orgonomy, a science in its own right. I'll be writing about it soon. My practical experience with using now goes back over a year.

[halva]

Once again Raynolds drives a newcomer away before she even gets the chance to understand what's going on. Raynolds worshipping the dirt that Jim Phelps walks on???

It really is up to Reynolds to come to terms with what he has been doing to the people who think more or less like him politically. He has been disorienting them, leaving them helpless and clueless.

And in the process he has been trying to project the internal arguments of his own narrow milieu all over the face of the earth, as a means of exerting political control over the entire planet.
What nonsense and what a disgrace that the rest of the world has been swallowing it.

Because it reproduces in microcosm the politics of the criminal cabal running the United States and to a great extent this planet also.

WMM should try to rescue Toni Thayer for this debate, either on-line, off-line or both.

[halva]

Why can't the left face the Stolen Elections of 2004 & 2008?
If some of its key publications are any indicator, much of the
American left seems unable to face the reality that the election
of 2004 was stolen. So in all likelihood, unless something
radical is done, 2008 will be too.
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman


http://www.opednews.com

Misguided and misinformed articles in both TomPaine.com and
Mother Jones Magazine indicate a dangerous inability to face the
reality that these stolen elections mean nothing less than the
death of what's left of American democracy, and the permanent
enthronement of the Rovian GOP.

As investigative reporters based in Columbus, Ohio, we witnessed
first-hand, up close and personal, exactly how the 2004 election
was stolen, and how it will most likely be done in 2008. In the
precinct in which Harvey Wasserman grew up, and in the one where
Bob Fitrakis now lives, we saw the well-funded, profoundly
cynical and deadly effective mechanisms by which the
Bush-Cheney-Rove-Blackwell GOP machine switched a victory for
John Kerry to an easily-repeatable defeat for democracy.

That Kerry and the spineless Ohio and national Democratic Parties
have been complicit is a crucial part of the problem much of the
left also seems unwilling to face. But if you live in Franklin
County, Ohio, and watch the Republican and Democratic Parties run
joint pickets against progressive candidate, and cut backroom
deals allowing incumbents of either party run unopposed, you may
miss the full scope of the disaster.

And until the left faces the rot that defines the Democratic
Party, there is no hope for a fair election in this country. In
other words: those who think the White House can be retaken in
2008, but refuse to face the theft of the vote in 2004, should
prepare to be ruled by the likes of Jeb Bush, now and forever.

Before we go into the sordid details, we have to ask: exactly
what is it about Team Bush that makes people think they could not
or would not steal an American election? Do they lack funds? Do
they lack expertise? Is there something in the
Machiavellian/mobster moral code of Karl Rove and the Bush Family
that would prevent them from doing here what they've been doing
throughout the Third World for so long?

CIA meister Poppy Bush long ago perfected the art and science of
stealing elections. US manipulators have interfered with and
tipped elections for decades. Why should Ohio be any different?
Especially when all the world knew control of the most powerful
office on earth would be decided right here.

Lets do the bookends: before the voting, Ohio's infamous
Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell clearly and
vehemently denied poll access to teams of international observers
from the United Nations and other international election observers.

Since the election, he has effectively stonewalled and sabotaged
all recount attempts, to the point that no credible accounting of
the Ohio election has ever been done. To this day, at least
100,000 votes remain uncounted, electronic voting machines remain
unaudited, key hardware and data files have been trashed, paper
ballots have sat unguarded for anyone to pilfer and tallies in
dozens of key counties remain filled with statistical
impossibilities.

In our HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING
2008, we list more than 180 bullet points on how this theft was
perpetrated. It was a brilliant, cynical and masterfully executed
campaign of death by a thousand cuts.

In Florida 2000, the means of the crime were limited to a few
instances of intimidation, butterfly ballots, computer
manipulation and a corrupt Supreme Court. But four years after,
in Ohio, dozens of sometimes subtle, sometimes blatant tricks
were designed to steal a few thousand votes here, a few thousand
more there, until victory was in GOP hands. Unless they are
exposed and blocked, every one of these scams can and will be
duplicated throughout the United States in 2006 and 2008. The
question is: will the left follow mainstream Democrats with
sheep-like acceptance as every election goes the same way from
here on? And if so, why bother even staging more votes in this
country at all?

[halva]

Starting with Russ Baker at TomPaine.com, the indicators are
grim. Last January, Baker penned an absurd, ill-reported piece of
nonsense called "What Didn't Happen in Ohio." Baker traipsed into
Columbus for a few days, interviewed the usual faux Democrats,
and left with a Big Story: "The Election Was Fair."

If Baker had done any meaningful research he might have seen the
dozens of other instances of intimidation, irregularities and
fraud that went unmentioned in his glib paragraphs. Instead he
relied on Bill Anthony, chair of the Franklin County Democrats
and Board of Elections.

Bill is a pleasant, affable African-American with no commitment
or fight for democracy or even the Democrats. He has appeared on
Bob's local radio show and with Harvey on others. On one of them,
Bill admitted that the Franklin County BOE knew there would be
problems with voting machines, and asked Blackwell for paper
ballots well before the 2004 election. Blackwell, Anthony said,
turned them down. The result was the now infamous chaos at the
polls, with inner city voters stuck in the rain for hours. Just
what Blackwell wanted.

But did Bill Anthony fight Blackwell's absurd ruling? Did he make
it a public issue prior to the election?

Not a chance.

For a quickie reporting job, Anthony is a dream. He's
well-spoken, charming and convincing. As an African-American with
union connections, he would seem the perfect liberal source.

In 2003, Anthony endorsed the Republican mayor's former press
secretary for the Columbus School Board. He then supported two
Republican candidates on a "Reform Slate" aimed at ousting the
Board's only progressive Democrat, an African-American.

Bill Anthony is just one of a legion of what are known throughout
the state as DINOs---Democrats in Name Only. The Ohio Democratic
Party is a national embarrassment. Its chair, Denny White, was
not long ago a Republican, and will soon be one again, once the
party is fully disemboweled, a job very close to done. Throughout
Ohio, DINOs piously cover this piece of fraud and that piece of
theft with glib "I hate Bush" rhetoric. The pity is, out-of-state
reporters actually take them seriously.

Mark Hertsgaard is a well respected author and reporter and a
long-time friend of Harvey Wasserman, and of election critic Mark
Crispen Miller. He has contributed some very valuable work over
the years. But he's done himself---and the voting public---very
wrong on "Recounting Ohio" in the new Mother Jones.

Mark is smart and thorough enough to leave open the possibility
that Ohio's election was, indeed, stolen. But he also falls prey
to the DINO trap, failing to cover far too much of what happened
here while taking seriously centrist Democrats who are known
locally to have no credibility.

So Mother Jones questions the significance of the firing of a
Democratic election official who blew the whistle on computer
manipulations by Triad, an obscure Republican voting machine
company. But Triad was involved in counting the votes in nearly
half of Ohio's 88 counties. Questions are still being raised
about Triad, including: "How did they get all these contracts in
the first place?"

Mother Jones correctly points out that seven times the number of
votes by which Bush took Ohio were cast on Republican-controlled
machines. But the magazine fails to follow up with mention that
those votes have been tabulated on proprietary non-transparent
software---a fact we pointed out in our own article in
Motherjones.com many months prior to the election.

Mother Jones also discounts the fact that a phony Homeland
Security alert in Warren County landed the vote count in an
unauthorized warehouse rather than the official secure location,
and that reporters were barred from the vote count. That count,
which went hugely and suspiciously and very importantly for Bush,
was observed by nominal Democrats. But so were other highly
dubious vote counts around the state, as they had been in Florida
2000, which Mother Jones argues adamantly was indeed stolen.

[halva]

The irony of this is that the same issue of Mother Jones leads
off with a dead-on story about Ohio and national Democrats who
are sabotaging the campaign of the aggressively electable Paul
Hackett for a key US Senate seat. And another MoJo piece bemoans
the fact that national Democrats seem adept only at losing.

Yet here the back of the book is a story discounting evidence
compiled by a legion of independent, grassroots election rights
advocates, while favoring phone interviews with the very
Democrats being denounced in the front of the book.

Above all, the core of evidence that the election was stolen in
Ohio 2004 comes from some 500 sworn statements and signed
affidavits taken by people of all political parties, including
two Republican hearings officers, in the weeks after the
election. Anyone truly committed to finding out what happened
here needs to start with that huge body of evidence.

As MoJo points out, none of this has been made easier by the
"abandon ship" of the biggest DINO of all, John Kerry. Kerry had
$7 million in the bank earmarked to "count every vote" and was
apparently losing by just 136,000 Ohio votes with more than
250,000 still uncounted when he turned tail and conceded. Even
Blackwell's corrupt, virtually meaningless first fake recount
dropped Bush's official tally by 18,000 votes.

The Democrats have since attacked the election protection
movement here through a lawyer named Daniel Hoffheimer who comes
from none other than the stalwart Cincinnati Republican law firm
of Taft, Stettinius et. al. MoJo quotes another Kerry/DINO lawyer
Michael O'Grady, counsel to the state Democratic Party, who
argues that for Ohio to have been stolen, the entire GOP would
have had to be "conspiratorial," while the Democrats were "dumb
as rocks."

In fact, that's an assessment many activists in Ohio heartily
endorse, though you might add the word "inert" to the description
of the Democrats.

O'Grady claims, for example, that an impossible vote count in
three southern Ohio counties that gave Bush his entire margin of
victory can be explained by a feminist outpouring for an
African-American court candidate who ran zero campaign in those
counties. But the presumption is that those same feminists
somehow didn't bother to vote for Kerry over George W. Bush. No
local student of that election could begin to take such an
assessment seriously.

Or how about the quote from Chris Rakocy, a "tech specialist"
about those notorious touchscreens in Mahoning County where
voters who chose Kerry saw Bush light up. Rakocy says that
problem was "only" on 18 of 1,148 machines, and that it was
corrected early.

But Rakocy stands alone against dozens of sworn statements and
affidavits confirming that the problem went on all day, and was
never fixed, and may have involved far more machines than 18, and
not only in Mahoning County but also in Franklin. Even at that,
in heavily Democratic Youngstown (not to mention Columbus), just
18 machines could have accounted for switching thousands of
votes. And, in fact, Kerry's margins in both Youngstown and
Columbus were suspiciously light.

And what would Mother Jones herself do to machines that
disenfranchised even one voter, no matter what the apparent
impact on the ultimate vote count? Why is the magazine named for
her discounting the you-couldn't-make-this-one-up reality of
voters pushing one candidate's name on a touchscreen and seeing
another's name light up, time after time after time? Or are we
taking this---and her---all too seriously?

[halva]

Then there's the song and dance from Warren Mitofsky. The father
of exit polls saw his work used to overturn a stolen election in
Ukraine just prior to the American vote. But when his poll-taking
here showed John Kerry with a nationwide margin of 1.5 million
votes, somehow Mitofsky jumped ship on his own decades of
professionalism.

Exit polls funded by six major news organizations showed Kerry
carrying Ohio, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada as late as 12:20 am on
Wednesday morning, well after balloting stopped even in Alaska
and Hawaii. These four "purple states" gave the election to the
"blue" Democrats, then miraculously switched to "red" for Bush,
giving him the White House once again.

Given all that's known about exit polls---and it's a lot---the
odds on one state switching like that are about one in one
hundred. For four, it's a virtual statistical impossibility. Add
the fact that not one, not four, but TEN of eleven swing states
showed drastic shifts from Kerry to Bush and you enter the realm
of, well, a stolen election.

Add huge, unexplained shifts from pre-election polls to
post-election vote counts in crucial 2002 Senatorial races in
Georgia, Minnesota and Colorado, then remember what happened in
Florida 2000, and examine the basic Bush attitude toward
democracy itself, and you've got a pattern to say the least. And
an obvious prescription for one-party rule as far as the eye can
see.

Except when you are dealing with America's Democratic Party in
2004 and with reportage that relies on a few phone calls and a
disheartening lack of grassroots perspective. If all politics is
local, as Tip O'Neill well knew, then so are all vote counts.

Our first article predicting what would happen in Ohio 2004 was
published many months before the election in, of all places,
MotherJones.com. We warned that electronic voting machines
deployed by the likes of Diebold could give Ohio and thus the
nation to George W. Bush. Wally O'Dell, Diebold's infamous CEO,
pledged to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush in 2004, and
all evidence points to the fact that he at least helped.

What we missed in addition was the myriad clever tricks the GOP
would bring to bear in pulling this off. Ohio has a long history
as a test market. New products like white bread and spam are
brought here first, to see how they'll fly with America at large.

In Ohio 2004, scores of tools for stealing an American election
were tried and proven out. Outside reporters have come here again
and again to pull at this one and tear at that one. Almost
always, they get even that wrong. And almost always, they fail to
see the bigger picture.

If we have a "know it all" attitude, as is sometimes charged,
it's because we were (and are) here, we saw it happen, we
witnessed the seven-hour waits and the denials of the absentee
ballots, and we took the testimony of the hundreds who later went
under oath.

And we see more unravel every day. Conspiracy theories happen
sometimes when actual conspiracies occur. The stakes involved,
the players on both sides and the events that are out there plain
as day are all of a piece that's simply too obvious for anyone on
the ground here to miss.

Hertsgaard has the good sense to mention indictments that have
recently come down on election thieves in Cuyahoga County. We
know that to be the tip of the iceberg.

What matters now is whether the GOP will be allowed to repeat
nationwide in 2006 and 2008 what they saw they could get away
with in Ohio 2004.

Election theft skeptics tend to conclude their put-downs by
urging we forget about the vote-count stuff and concentrate on
coming up with candidates so good that "the election won't be
close enough to steal."

Having seen what we saw here, knowing what Mother Jones is
reporting about the Democratic attacks on Paul Hackett, and about
the loser instinct ingrained in the Dems' DLC/DNA, we must
charitably describe such a conclusion as being profoundly wishful
thinking.

Someday we may indeed have candidates far worthier than Al Gore
and John Kerry. But they both won the presidency of the United
States, however corruptible their margins of victory.

We need to guarantee that if someone worthwhile and willing to
fight ever does come along, we will have a left that's prepared
to make sure the votes are fairly counted.

As Rev. Jesse Jackson put it while speaking to election
protection activists here, "We can afford to lose an election. We
can't afford to lose our democracy."

Who would agree more strongly than Tom Paine and Mother Jones?

--
Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP
STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008, available at
http://www.freepress.org and http://www.harveywasserman.com.
Their upcoming WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO, with Steve Rosenfeld, will
be published by The New Press in spring, 2006.

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The fact that a person who has studied 'chemtrails' as much as Toni Thayer should not have heard of Jim Phelps, who would probably be seen as an 'apologist' for chemtrails by the chemtrail activists on the same wavelength as Toni (to what extent would this include Carnicom??) is also HIGHLY significant.

'Apologists' like Jim Phelps and 'Deep Shield'/David Stewart provide the missing link between chemtrails and the climate change debate of which Toni Thayer and other chemtrails activists of her views (e.g. former councillor Al Snow of La Verkin, Utah) remain deeply suspicious, seeing it purely and simply as a UN conspiracy. (A view which is worthy of serious debate and should not be dismissed cretinously or 'cynically' [something of which, once again, Reynolds is guilty. He does everything possible to disorient his own reference group, in the process disorienting himself.])

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The fact that a person who has studied 'chemtrails' as much as Toni Thayer should not have heard ot Jim Phelps, who would probably be seen as an 'apologist' for chemtrails by the chemtrail activists on the same wavelength as Toni (to what extent would this include Carnicom??) is also HIGHLY significant.

'Apologists' like Jim Phelps and 'Deep Shield'/David Stewart provide the missing link between chemtrails and the climate change debate of which Toni Thayer and other chemtrails activists of her views (e.g. former councillor Al Snow of La Verkin, Utah) remain deeply suspicious, seeing it purely and simply as a UN conspiracy. (A view which is worthy of serious debate and should not be dismissed cretinously or 'cynically' [something of which, once again, Reynolds is guilty. He does everything possible to disorient his own reference group, in the process disorienting himself.])

Now, wait a minute. I don't see chemtrails as a UN conspiracy -- I see it as a US government/military operation expanded into a UN role. I see the UN as an extension of the people truly running the US government, afterall, it was set up by Rockefeller and croanies. They've owned and controlled the US since before WWII, and now they just want to own and control the world. This is not surprising that they would take a small successful plan and expand it.

That's why it's weird to me that you can blast the US government, but support the UN -- they are nearly one and the same (personally, and for many Americans, I would like our federal government to get its nose out of other countries' business). The UN is their projection of the "New Order" on the world (including the US which must change its Constitution to support worldly goals, not solely American goals). The US governs the land known as America, and the UN is the new government for the world (just as soon as it can get some taxes and income going to support it!).

I believe you're getting my chemtrail theories mixed up with the UN's Wildlands Project which is currently working out front and in the public eye in the area where I live. (it is all tied together, but all of it stems from US leaders)

As far as Jim Phelps and chemtrail research, I don't read just anything and everything that's online about chemtrails. When I sit down to research and write, I first say a prayer to God for guidance and direction, and then I go looking for what He shows me. It works remarkably well.

For all of my articles, I only use information from sources that are accepted by the mainstream as valid -- military, government, science and universities, and syndicated press -- and local, directly affected citizen interviews (the people have the right and the need to hear what others like them are experiencing and thinking).

As much as I personally like Carnicom's experiments and their results, I will never use them in an article because he is not "qualified" as scientific academia by our society -- my article could then easily be disputed because of this one factor by people like Jay. No, I welcome anyone, even Jay Reynolds if he would honestly do it, to take one of my articles and dispute any part of it.

I back up everything that I say with solid, undisputable evidence, something that Jay says he's looking for, but conveniently sidesteps.

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Now, wait a minute. I don't see chemtrails as a UN conspiracy -- I see it as a US government/military operation expanded into a UN role. I see the UN as an extension of the people truly running the US government, afterall, it was set up by Rockefeller and croanies. They've owned and controlled the US since before WWII, and now they just want to own and control the world. This is not surprising that they would take a small successful plan and expand it.


I think that's a pretty good account of it.


That's why it's weird to me that you can blast the US government, but support the UN -- they are nearly one and the same (personally, and for many Americans, I would like our federal government to get its nose out of other countries' business).


The US and the UN might look like the same thing where you are, but they don't look like the same thing where I am. In any case, when we say 'the US' we are speaking inexactly. Some of the people for whom I have the highest respect, and look to for POLITICAL leadership, are Americans.


The UN is their projection of the "New Order" on the world (including the US which must change its Constitution to support worldly goals, not solely American goals). The US governs the land known as America, and the UN is the new government for the world (just as soon as it can get some taxes and income going to support it!).

I believe you're getting my chemtrail theories mixed up with the UN's Wildlands Project which is currently working out front and in the public eye in the area where I live. (it is all tied together, but all of it stems from US leaders)


I'm not well enough informed about this Wildlands Project to confuse it with anything else.


As far as Jim Phelps and chemtrail research, I don't read just anything and everything that's online about chemtrails. When I sit down to research and write, I first say a prayer to God for guidance and direction, and then I go looking for what He shows me. It works remarkably well.


I'm not Jim Phelps public relations man. I leave it entirely to him to defend his credentials and his point of view.


For all of my articles, I only use information from sources that are accepted by the mainstream as valid -- military, government, science and universities, and syndicated press -- and local, directly affected citizen interviews (the people have the right and the need to hear what others like them are experiencing and thinking).

As much as I personally like Carnicom's experiments and their results, I will never use them in an article because he is not "qualified" as scientific academia by our s