Oak Ridge and Its cover ups

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The serious problems that arose from the Manhattan Project's rush to make
nuclear weapons. The real fallout was workers and communities poisoned by
fluorine. DOE has many covered up environmental and health problems and this was the
beginning.


Oak Ridge's Final Judgement--->The K-25 Fluoride Disaster

By: Jim Phelps
Copyright 2004

Very few people get an insiders view of the operations and problems connected
with running a nuclear weapons plant, but this treatise will take you into
this special world of nuclear national security. Nuclear weapons plants ran with
huge risks that were never reported to the workers or the surrounding
communities. This report will fill in the missing details on why so many nuclear
workers have become sick and will get into even larger problems that were
discovered via operation of these massive facilities. Nuclear national security is
really the name for the government's excuses to conceal risk and harm to US
citizens. Some of the cover-ups get into extremes that some find difficult to
fathom, but none-the-less all is about to be unveiled here.

Oak Ridge is the home of the largest ongoing chemical accident in the US and
the name of the accident is the Oak Ridge Gaseous Diffusion Plant. This one
plant absorbed 25 percent of the Manhattan Project's wartime funding to try and
keep hydrogen fluoride poison gas from getting loose on the workers and the
region. This plant was code-named the K-25 plant, after the Kellex Corp.
diffusion barrier process that used 25 percent of the funds. Kellex was a subsidiary
of the Kellogg Construction Company that joined with the Brown-Root
Construction to become KBR, which then became a part of Dallas Halliburton.

This K-25 Kellex constructed plant for the Manhattan Project would become a
doomsday device under the management of Union Carbide and later Martin-Marietta
/ Lockheed-Martin. The very same sloppy methods that caused the Bhopal India
accident also contributed to this huge fluoride poisoning disaster in Oak
Ridge. Ironically, the lessons learned here have become a central religious theme
for the Final Judgment for the End-Times. The operation of this bomb plant
contributed toward huge losses of Freon into the atmosphere, which caused the
ozone depletion leading to the global warming world disaster. Similar to the bets
at the Trinity Test that the bomb would set the atmosphere on fire, the
processes that made the bomb's enriched uranium contributed extensively toward
destroying the atmosphere of the Earth. This will be developed later in the text.

The Oak Ridge Gaseous Diffusion plant was initially designed in New York City
as part of the "Manhattan Project" by persons like Leo Waters, who designed
the K-25 building and moved to Clinton and Oak Ridge with the project's
implementation. Other parts of the project, like the fluorine cells, were designed
and tested in upper New York State, near Buffalo, by persons like Bob Dyer. Bob
Dyer and his friend Joe Dykster also moved to Oak Ridge for the project. In
this secretive process, a huge fluorine accident release near Buffalo
[Tonawanda] was covered up by the military to keep the Germans from learning about the
uranium enrichment project. An entire edition of a newspaper that reported this
incident was confiscated. This release accident was so bad that it frosted
the window glass on cars and buildings for miles around the plant and evacuated
half the city.

Still other early warnings occurred at the Du Pont chemical works in New
Jersey whose fluorine production problems devastated Peach crops, raised the blood
fluoride levels in humans for two downwind counties, and crippled cattle and
horses. Later in April of 1944 Harold C. Hodge a senior toxicologist with the
Manhattan Project wrote: "Clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride
may have a rather marked central nervous system effect....... It seems most
likely that the F [code for Fluoride] rather than the T [code for Uranium]
component is the causative factor." The T code was reserved for material headed
toward the "Trinity Test."

This was the beginning of the huge cover-ups connected to the Manhattan
Project's fluoride disasters. Other industries like the aluminum and steel
industries also sought to cover up huge health effects like the fluoride disaster at
Donora, Pa. and the Reynolds works on the St. Lawrence. The book called "When
Smoke Runs Like Water" by Dr. Devra Davis gives a good accounting of some of
these other fluoride problems, ISBN 0-465-01521-1. Another recent book called
"The Fluoride Deception" by Christopher Bryson exposes much more of the fluoride
health effects, ISBN 1-58322-526-9. Both of these books are good, but each
falls well short of exposing the main fluoride synergistic effect of upsetting
the trace metals and producing immune system problems.

An older book called "Fluoridation The Great Delimma" by George Waldbott, MD
does get into the cancer effects seen in the 50s and 60s due to fluoride
releases from industry and rodent studies. This text shows the data in the 50s and
60s were causing health problems and that various trace metals offset these
health effects. One in particular is mentioned, manganese. This one also plays a
strong role in AIDS infections. This is the beginning of the F-Al-metal
complex effects as linked to fluoride health effects moderation.

The key to AIDs is bone concentration of fluorine and its making essential
trace metals like manganese unavailable. Many of the immune cells are born in
the bone marrow and they begin with depleted levels of trace metals needed for
enzymes and it stays that way due to the loss of GSH in cells leading to loss
of manganese by rendering it unavailable. This effect sets up the infections of
HIV in the immune cells that have lost the essential metal that protects the
cells from retroviral infections. Fluoride chemistry also renders some
essential metals like magnesium, zinc, and selenium lower in concentration due to
shedding more rapidly from the body. Rising bone fluoride concentration totally
upsets the beneficial trace metals concentration in the body and via that
effect comes illness, rapid aging, and even death.

One can see a basic need for the UF-6 gas diffusion process to run at less
than atmospheric pressures to keep in the gas that turned into hydrogen fluoride
gas, if released. The inward leaking of moist air via compressor shaft seals
caused problems in the huge plant due to criticality issues and the plugging
up of the barrier system diffusion holes. Another dangerous chemical called
chlorine-trifluoride was used to clear these plugs in the systems. This plant was
built some 8 miles from the town of Oak Ridge on an immense reservation
because of the chemical dangers from this plant. The plutonium effort called X-10
was also built well away from the city. The less dangerous Y-12 plant was built
just adjacent the city, because the "calutron" techniques posed less risk.

The big cost of the gas diffusion process was due to trying to run at
negative pressures, this to contain the poison gas, and the use of special fluoride
resistant materials to keep the process from exploding. The DuPont company had
just invented Teflon or PTFE, which was fluorine resistant and compatible with
the hot process gas. The DuPont company also invented fluoride compatible
Freon, which was used to remove the process heat from the thousands of
compression cycles the process required. The original process for the K-25 building used
thousands of 600 HP motors to drive radial compressor blades. The 4,000 plus
stages of the processes used more power then the City of New York and this
came from coal burning principally, this adding to the area's pollution load and
HF.

The DuPont company and Detroit's General Motors formed a Freon Company called
Kinetic Chemicals and the Manhattan Project would come to use lots of their
product. Detroit's Chrysler Motors made the diffusion tanks for the K-25
building's uranium separation stages and each diffusion tank or "diffuser" carried a
brass Chrysler Motors nametag and serial number. Freon would not cause the
system to explode or gunk up the system from a leak. Inclusion of General Motors
into the Manhattan Project brought in the Kettering Research Group of
Cincinnati and the huge cover up methods on lead and fluorine toxicity. The Ethyl
Company that made the lead for leaded gasoline is owned by DuPont.

The entire diffusion process ran at around 170 degrees F. to keep the UF-6 in
a gaseous state. Each compression stage added excess heat of compression to
the gas, which was removed by the Freon inter-coolers and the heat dumped via
water based heat exchange systems to the atmosphere outside the buildings. When
the plant was running at full power it was often in a water vapor cloud due
to all the water evaporator's fog. This fog was often loaded with toxic metals
like chromium and arsenic, from the anti-corrosion used in piping and
anti-algae chemicals used in the water evaporators.

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Kettering was the president of General Motors and he and another of his G-M
cohorts are what the New York based Sloan-Kettering Cancer Hospital is named
after. These connections started some of the most serious of the chemical injury
and cancer cover up rackets in the US. Kettering Research Group of Cincinnati
sequesters, for polluting industries, all the highly damaging industry
information on fluoride and lead from the public. This huge cover up and the Oak
Ridge involvement would come to influence the murder of JFK.

In the 1950's, the diffusion processes were expanded to much larger systems
(000 designs) and the larger design used almost a thousand 3,300 HP motors tied
to axial compressors that looked much like jet engine turbines. The diffusion
stages were then made of hundreds of 1/4 inch sintered nickel powder tubes
housed in tanks larger than gasoline tanker trucks. Typically, in K-33 groups of
8 diffusion stages were housed in house sized heat retention enclosures and
the groups called "cells." The compressor motors were supplied with air from
cooling ducts sealed with PCB impregnated gaskets for fire prevention.

The diffusion stages were made from nickel powder sintered with calcium-
fluoride. A DOE plant in Huntington, West Virginia made fine nickel powder using
the nickel carbonyl process to precipitate metal particles from the nickel gas.
The 5 micron sized nickel dust was mixed with calcium fluoride powder of
similar fineness and cooked, at near 1400 degrees Centigrade, or "sintered" in a
mold to make the barrier tubes of about 1/2 inch outside diameter and 1/4 inch
inside diameter. The fluorine resistant tube arrays of around a hundred of
these tubes were fitted to aluminum plates to fashion "tube bundles" that became
the 1 micron diffusion barrier of the diffusion process. These aluminum parts
became poison after being exposed to the process. The sintered metal design
came from a Kellex process for making paint spray nozzles, and the K-25 plant
and K-25 building carried this symbolic letter "K."

Persons that worked in making the barrier or removing it from stages with
electric chain saws were exposed to calcium fluoride dusts that break down in
stomach acid and leads to a cumulative fluoride type poisoning of the pineal
gland and thyroid hormone processes. The nickel dust that they are exposed to
simultaneously causes additional toxic metals health problems. The
calcium-fluoride exposure damage the glutathione enzyme clearance of toxic metals, like
nickel, and causes increased free radiation damage to the cells leading to higher
risk for illness. Most of the illness for K-25 workers are rooted in exposures
to fluorides and toxic metals, which leads to CFS health problems for many.

The fact that the chemical process system had thousands of seals that all had
leak rates means there were problems. The biggest problem was the air leaking
into the system and the need to remove these gases. This means that operation
of the plant, by design, resulted in continuous releases of the dangerous and
cumulative poison called HF into the plant and region air. Entire huge
buildings called "Purge Cascades" were dedicated to remove these gases, which
damaged the system production efficiency. The Purge Cascade systems had to release
the gases they trapped from the system into the atmosphere, and the most
dangerous gas release was HF. The Cascade Coordinators, to keep high production, ran
the release rates of HF as high as possible and often well over acceptable
rates for ground air concentrations. As these release rates became extreme
attempts to collect some of the HF were made by using "bubbler" trapping systems in
the gas flow.

The main problems with the process came from leaks into or out of the process
from around the shaft seals for the motor-compressors. All the valves in the
system were bellows designs and some were motorized so as to be remotely
controlled from the control room. In the K-25 building the forth floor was the
control level and sat over the 3rd floor pipe gallery which interconnected the
diffuser stages on the 2nd floor. This helped to shut down accidents and leaks
and keep down chemical exposures. The buildings were also flushed with large
amounts of airflow to keep the temperature and HF concentrations down. The
compressor shaft seals were made of teflon and later special shaft seal enclosures
ran the gas leaks from these areas into special traps filled with alumina or
fine aluminum oxide dust. The aluminum oxide would react with the very dangerous
hydrogen fluoride gas escaping from the process. This aluminum fluoride was
like a pesticide called cryolite and caused slow poisoning of worker's thyroid
functions and increasing problems with hyperthyroid type health conditions.

It was this effect that lead to the invention of aluminum dust dumped into
the air or added to jet fuels or the process called "chemtrails." Aluminum
compounds added to jet fuels made colloid particles of aluminum oxide that would
react with the HF in the air from coal emissions and also the sulfuric acid in
the air from jet fuel and coal plants to make alum, which made for cloud
seeding and cooling the Earth. The aluminum based rocket fuels also supported the
formation of cloud seeding using this idea.

My idea on alumina methods using jet planes as spray cans become the most
efficient and successful techniques for cloud seeding ever imagined. The
technique used an aluminum-based alcohol mixed with jet fuels or a mixing technique in
the fuel line much like how fluoride is mixed with the public water. Each
Aluminum atom can combine with SO4 radicals and then go on to attract 18 H2O
molecules and this was the basic seeding technique for clouds. These ideas lead to
the DOE's "Global Shield" Project using jet planes to attempt to slow down
the global warming effects from DOE's huge rates of Freon loss.

The technique removed acids from the air and cut airframe erosion. The same
basic equations applied to the use of titanium and barium. Titanium made an
inert fluoride-metal complex and the barium made a photo emission effect to
change the potential gradient and lessen storm energies. These were three of my
most impressive and successful ideas. This idea started an entire new classified
series of projects, run by the DOE and often hidden using DOD Star Wars
classification. New satellites were made to sense the UV-b levels in real time,
sense HF in the upper atmosphere, and image the growth of phytoplankton in the
oceans.

I had discovered that the fluoride-aluminum complexes were a big problem in
the K-25 plant and from coal HF emissions. The HF gas in the plant's equipment
coated the aluminum parts in the machinery with AlF3, which mimics the
pituitary TSH and trigger thyroid hormone overproduction. I found that fluoride
increases the retention of toxic trace metals and decreases the retention of the
beneficial trace metals, and via this effect induces severe immune system
related illnesses. It was a momentous discovery, and one so devastating to the
uranium weapons programs that the managers insisted that it not be reported. This
discovery closed the Oak Ridge Gaseous Diffusion plant permanently.

The managers knew their only hope of concealing the problem was to cut the
TVA power loading and coal burn rate in this area to keep from making the
problems much worse. I am very pleased to have closed down the fluoride poison gas
disaster plant of the Manhattan Project. I am additionally pleased to have
killed the K-25 electrical load of around 4 TVA stream plants that added pollution
to this region. I will be even more pleased to put the plant's racketeers
into prison for concealing this health harm.

When the K-25 plant was run by Union Carbide and Lockheed-Martin the process
buildings ran with high rates of emissions of HF into the air. Workers, like
Plant Shift Superintendent named Sam Vest, coming to work at the entrance
portals could smell the HF with their nose and the slight burn on their eyes. This
made for huge problems over time, as HF is a cumulative poison. Soon all the
plant's workers would have extreme upsets in the trace metals balance and their
immune system health.

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Naturally occurring aluminum-fluorides like "cryolite" had long been used as
a crop pesticide and the method of action was to disrupt the cellular trace
metal metabolism. This same effect was occurring in the plant's workers from HF
exposures day after day. Fluorides in the blood make beneficial trace metals
less retained and harmful trace metals more retained. This process destroys the
immune resistance and turns on an inflammation process that harms human
health.

The K-25 plant suffered many accidents that released hot UF-6 that formed HF
releases. One release involved the K-27 building and malfunctions of hundreds
of stages where the pressure releases vented UF-6 into the buildings piling up
one-foot thick layers of yellow UO2F2 dust all through the building. Another
accident dumped a dump truck load of UO2F2 onto a process building rooftop
before it was caught and the material removed with wheelbarrows.

Another release happened when a welder cut into a building crossover pipeline
that ran above atmospheric pressure and dumped a jet of UF-6 into the air and
caused a high temperature HF plume that rose to 100,000 ft. in the
atmosphere. Another accident happened in a positive pressure cell and filled the house
sized cells with cave formations of the yellow powder and the HF was vented
into the atmosphere. Most of the process buildings are filled with the yellow
uranium dust contamination from years of releases. Some areas of the process
purged gas to the atmosphere continuously.

HF is lighter than air and very hygroscopic and when released will combine
with water vapor and float in the atmosphere. If there is a heavy fog the air,
concentrations of the vapors can build to dangerous levels and cause problems
like heart attacks. This effect happened in Donora, Pa. and killed many people.
Oak Ridge was at risk for this same problem developing. The fog that
encircled the K-25 plant when it operated allowed the HF concentrations to build to
dangerous levels and increased the retention of fluorides in the plants workers
and regional inhabitants.

A large leak of HF at the Y-12 plant threatened to kill a large number at the
plant if there had been a heavy fog during the releases times that would have
allowed the HF to rise in concentration in the plant's valley. This effect
makes the HF and water vapor heavier than air and builds to dangerous levels
that can cause heart attacks and long term heath problems. The K-25 plants many
water cooling towers provided for this effect on many days as the entire plant
would be engulfed in a water vapor haze that allowed the HF and toxic metals
concentrations to build and to affect the workers and area residents.

The DOE is also the world's largest user of Freon to cool the equipment
stages. One huge explosive accident in the K-33 building blew a hole in the roof
that a crane could set a school bus into. The loss of Freon from the diffusion
plants made DOE one of the largest contributors to the Ozone Hole issue. DOE
sought to ban Freon from normal uses, but keep it approved for their uses in gas
diffusion. Freon is one of the only cooling gases that are compatible with
UF-6, if it leaked into the system. Freon provides both chlorine and fluorine
into the upper atmosphere.

The chlorine competes with the ozone and has a short lifetime in the upper
atmosphere due to its mass. Fluoride is rising in concentration in the upper
atmosphere due to its mass being less than that of air. Fluoride tends to
sequester hydrogen atoms in the upper atmosphere that increase the levels of UV-b due
to radiolysis ionization effects of this hydrogen from the Sun's radiation.
Fluoride atoms tend to ionize and be swept toward the Earth's South Pole, where
the hydrogen sequestration and UV-b effect is worst. These effects set up a
NFx injection vector into the upper atmosphere that introduces higher levels of
IR absorbing hydrocarbons causing GW problems.

In the 1990s, as the Oak Ridge diffusion plant's stages were cut open and
left standing and an incinerator called Toxic Substance Control Act, TSCA,
incinerator burned record amounts of uranium oxy-fluoride, many of these worker
health effects came to a head. The affected workers who noted they were becoming
sick formed a group called "The Exposed." They later changed their named to
"CHE," and they are 90 percent gas diffusion plant workers with fluoride
poisoning health effects. The Exposed group was never told by DOE about the problems
of AlF3 in causing their CFS like health problems via the TSH mimicry affecting
their cellular glutathione levels.

Oak Ridge and DOE were prepared for this happening and had put into place
some fake environmental groups to sell the blame onto radiation and toxic metals,
when the real huge problem was this long known fluoride poisoning effect. In
the 1980's, ORNL had seen the large rates of thyroid problems in the plant
workers and the town of Oak Ridge and the problem was the toxic effects of
fluoride. It was a huge liability, and the DOE and its corrupted managers would do
anything to hide the damage. They became the ultimate in racketeers in hiding
this from the workers and the public.

A new local doctor caused serious problems with K-25 being exposed in the
massive fluoride cover up in Oak Ridge. A doctor William Reid came to run varied
tests on local persons in Oak Ridge and found that nearly the entire town was
abnormal. He noticed something was very wrong and began looking for the
reasons. He encountered such a wave of resistance from those in the know about the
real health problem in Oak Ridge that he was retaliated against. Soon, his wife
Sandra Reid would enter the picture as a public activist looking for the
problem also.

I told Sandra Reid of the huge problem with the fluorides and HF releases
affecting the entire town and I too was retaliated against in 1995. The corrupt
town of Oak Ridge did not want national exposure of the truth of what was going
on with their cover-ups. The truth would put their corrupted managers in jail
for racketeering. Dr. Reid discovered that the Oak Ridge Methodist Medical
Center was sending their medical data to a hospital where ALCOA is headquartered
in Pennsylvania. The Reid's were eventually ruined by the corrupted Oak Ridge
crime syndicate and forced out of town.

Dr. Bill Reid made a huge mistake in calling one of the Oak Ridge plant
medical directors and asking about the problems he had noted in Oak Ridge and its
workers. The Oak Ridge system had already set up deals with the only hospital
in Oak Ridge, the Methodist Medical Center of Oak Ridge, to not ever look too
deeply into problems associated with the plant's activities. They had used
national security classification to cover up health problems for decades in Oak
Ridge. Oak Ridge's corrupted managers went one step further in Oak Ridge, they
were using the entire town as a guinea pig project to look at the best drug
alternatives for the many illnesses caused by chronic low level HF exposures.

The largest medical cover up in Oak Ridge is about how hydrogen fluoride
deposits in the Pineal Gland and forms AlF3 compounds that damage the day-night
thyroid hormone regulation. The effect causes problems that don't allow the
cells to power down at night, replenish glutathione enzymes, and cell repair. This
leads to the build up of toxic metals in the body and the rise of
mitochondria induced free radical damage to cells. Ignoring these factors in Oak Ridge
involves wide spread malpractice and harm to many workers and area residents.
The medical practices of Oak Ridge are corrupt and don't represent the patient,
but defends the polluters.

The ethically and morally corrupt medical system of Oak Ridge has become the
center for the DOE cover ups of fluoride toxic effects, and this has become
the GOP model for how to cover up similar problems on a national basis. Rising
fluoride levels in the food and water chain dominate the aging and illness
equation for human health, and this one effect determines the profits for the GOP
oriented medical system. Should this effect become public, the GOP oriented
AMA and pharmacy business would become exposed in aiding the cover up of this
predominate health effect.

The Oak Ridge DOE plant managers all well know that the HF and fluorine
health problem is one that may well put them all in jail for having covered up.
They all know the bulk of the illness factors in Oak Ridge come from the fluorine
effects on the beneficial trace metals in the human body that set the stage
for illnesses, rapid aging factors, and even early death. The DOE plant
managers and the local AMA medical system both know their entire livelihood depends
on keeping that concealed from the workers and the city of Oak Ridge.


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The chiropractors have been very close to finding this dominate health effect
for years in Oak Ridge and the plant managers and local AMA doctors have been
attempting to ruin the Chiropractors for getting way to close to the big
secret that would not only cause an uproar about the fluorine risks from Oak
Ridge, but would literally put the AMA pharmacy and big medicine types out of
business.

The predominately Jewish owned pharmacy companies and the doctors of Oak
Ridge were able to make a killing in profits from this cover up. In ten years, the
Methodist Medical Center quadrupled its land footprint on Oak Ridge. Persons
like Bush-41 have long-standing connections to drug companies, like Ely Lilly
[Dan Quail owns a huge interest], and others that make huge profits from the
high drug [SSRI's] use in Oak Ridge. Bush is a Jewish connected surname and he
is from the same Jewish system in Texas where LBJ gained his power. Oak Ridge
would become the model for the rest of the country due to similar rising
levels of fluorides nationally and this process would fill the coffers of Jewish
drug industries.

Interesting enough, other connections appear in this conspiracy. Bush-43 is
from Dallas, Texas and gained power to be elected Governor of Texas via the
Jewish industry power system there, the Dallas Mafia and rich oil cabal connected
to killing JFK. Bush-43 is a member of the Highland Park United Methodist
Church in Dallas, on the campus of Southern Methodist University. Bush-43 uses
these religion connections to his advantage in the White House and for support
toward Israel dealings. Bush-43 is also one of the Yale "Bonesmen" types and
has real close ties with Bonesman Knoxville Mayor Victor Ashe.

Victor Ashe and Bush grew up together due to the same Florida Island vacation
homes of each family. Ashe is the mayor of the city where polluting TVA
resides and hides its massive devastation of pine trees and human health from HF
loaded coal emissions. The Methodist Church was actually started in Dallas in
1968 when Reuben Mueller and Lloyd Wicke joined hands at a General Conference.
Mueller is another Jewish surname connection. It gets even more interesting in
that the Bishop of the Holston Conference that supports the Oak Ridge
Methodist Medical charity is Ray Chamberlain. Another Jewish surname connection.

The Holston Conference also advertises for the OREPA activist organization
that helps hide the Oak Ridge fluoride disaster. A minister, originally from
Texas, runs the OREPA organization, his name is Ralph Hutchinson. Chamberlain was
all for the invasion of Iraq and Bush support. The Methodist Church also
dodges anything to do with telling the religion connections of volcanoes and Moses
and the issues of the End-Times connected to pollution. This truth would end
all the miracle connections in the Bible narratives that make the church money
from false claims. The Methodists are trying not to harm their Jewish
benefactors, and both their cash cows.

US Religion has become a multi-billion dollar business without any Govt.
regulation. Religion sustains by using human fear, weaknesses, and catching many
when they are in distress or alone. They supply pretty stories interpreted for
little real truth, which doesn't represent God. Their version of God was
created for Humans to manipulate others. Religions use this effect to avoid issues
like less toxic material can lead to near infinite longevity, especially as it
applies to fluoride-metals effects.

Many polluting industries, mining / smelting / chemical, are Jewish in origin
and like the biblical text interpretations avoiding the real messages on
eternal life. This avoidance of reality in the bible narratives is directly linked
to the end-times predictions. Religions have the ethics of used car salesmen,
often wrapped in spirituality. Faith is largely about mass mind control, than
anything pertaining to truth seeking or God.

The K-25 plant had a simple incinerator that released HF, uranium oxide, and
dioxin from burning plant wastes. The 1982 TSCA law enacted by Congress
stopped this practice and forced the design of a new incinerator called the K-25
TSCA Incinerator. This incinerator used a rotary kiln design with controlled burn
time and temperature to reduce the emissions of dioxin. The K-25 plant also
had to begin storing their contaminated sump water that was contaminated with
enriched uranium oxy-fluoride and this has problems with nuclear criticality.

The K-25 plant lost massive amounts of UF-6 [and thus UO2F2 and HF] to the
atmosphere and it rained out on building roofs, grounds, and parking lots and
ended up in the ground water. I had the idea to take these contaminated waters
and de-water them using the TSCA incinerator to reduce their volume, and then
send the uranium wastes to standard burial repositories. The division that I
worked for at ORNL designed the TSCA incinerator. I also suggested the use of a
three-stage wet washing electrostatic precipitation system to pull down more
of the uranium particles and absorb the hydrogen fluoride generated from
burning UO2F2.

The mere existence of the liquid enriched UO2F2 storage problem showed that
these plants leaked massive amounts of enriched UF-6 into the air. The claims
that these plants were sealed and did not leak are bogus. The enriched UO2F2
got into the surface and ground waters, and the HF blew into the lungs and
regional landscape around the K-25 plant.

The loss of HF from the K-25 plant is exemplified also in the testimonies of
persons like Sam Vest, who was the Plant Shift Superintendent of the K-25
plant for many years. He and many others recall smelling the daily releases of HF
in the plant parking lots and entrance portals. DOE has suppressed the mass
balance studies that would tell the true story of the amounts of HF released
from this K-25 poison gas plant.

Sam Vest and others like Bob Dyer would tell stories of how the plants
workers and often themselves were affected by the aphrodisiac effects from being
exposed to HF. After large exposures to HF, Bob Dyer would come home to his wife
with pressing sexual matters on his mind. Other workers would come to make
time for sex on the job and the problem was so extreme they plants changed the
office glass to clear from frosted. Today, we know what causes this effect is
the fluorine antagonistic effects on melatonin and serotonin via its effects on
the pineal gland and the HPA axis regulation. Fluorine rise in the body sets
up the melatonin decline in the body that leads to sexual puberty. The rise in
fluorine in the environment contributes to the lowering of the age of sexual
puberty in children.

The TSCA incinerator was ready for testing in the early 1990's and the waste
stream was upped until the incinerator was burning some 5 million pounds of
liquid uranium wastes in 1994-1995 time frame. The TSCA emissions of HF together
with decades of emissions of HF from the gas diffusion leaks and accidents
finally took their toll on the area pine trees. All the DOE reservations Pine
trees downwind of the incinerator died from the toxic effects of HF. Almost all
became infected with pine beetles, due to the trees lack of ability to make
pine sap to kill them due to the HF toxic loading.

The initial damage to the pine trees made a large dead pine tree finger
pointing right at the incinerator. As time progressed, pine trees over large areas
began to die, as the TVA Kingston Steam plant added to the HF stress on the
Southern Pine trees. Later in the 90's, vast areas of Pines died in the
Southeast due to HF poisoning from coal burning compounded with Pine Beetles. The Oak
Ridge Plant's management sought to deceive everyone from the toxic effects of
HF causing the problems with pine beetles.

The DOE plants often used the banned pesticide, called chlordane, to modify
the pine tree death footprint inside the plants and the city of Oak Ridge. This
would have brought lawsuits had the fluoride connected bug effects in town
not been concealed using this technique. The IR absorbing high acid emissions in
the area from these operations also brought much atmospheric heating to the
area and extreme storms. The storms were so severe as to be expected only once
a century. These huge storm fronts ripped up major TVA transmission lines into
the Y-12 plant. Another ripped the roof off ORNL buildings. And others did
extreme levels of property damage to the region. The plant's emissions highly
affected the weather and storm energies.

The TSCA was designed in some human experiments to change the retention of
metal oxides in the lungs and lymph nodes of the plant's workers. This
experiment used the burning of cyanide compound called acetyl nitrile, AKA methyl
cyanide, to put the CN- radical into the air. The idea here was much as how in-situ
uranium mining works with cyanide compounds injected into underground uranium
deposits. The TSCA burned train tanker loads of acetyl nitrile to accomplish
this effect. They also hired a medical doctor with expertise in cyanide
poisoning. Soon the K-25 plant's Dr. Ashe would find the workers called "The
Exposed" coming to him and finding odd blood effects from cyanide, particularly in
the ones that smoked cigarettes.


Con't

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The plant workers had been exposed to decades of toxic metals from the air
heat exchangers, the old incinerator, and the nickel dust used in the barrier
design. The cyanide experiment was designed to remove these metals oxides from
their lungs, lymph system, and body by making them soluble using cyanide
techniques. The idea is basically the one from the laetrile cancer treatment method,
which is cyanide or B-17 based. A large number of workers soon began to
expose part of the problems from K-25 and this soon set off the huge network
designed to hide the toxic effects of hydrogen fluoride. This cover up network would
extend right to persons like Bush-43, Bill Clinton's ORNL science advisor,
and Tennessee's Al Gore.

The chemical poisoning of thousands of people is Oak Ridge's biggest secret
and they have invested huge amounts of time and energy for the evasion of the
simple truth about what really happened in Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge has a large
number of Jewish surnamed persons that lived in New York and moved to Oak Ridge
with the Manhattan Project. This Strong New York based Jewish connection has
long-standing connections with the Mafia and the Texas Jews that were tied to
the JFK assassination. In Oak Ridge, these Jewish folks were generally in charge
of many of the nuclear operations, and the ones that will be held at fault if
these truths come out. Even the DuPont Corporation that did so much of the
fluorine chemistry for the Manhattan Project is a Jewish surname. Hence, this is
why we see so many of these cover-ups involve the Jewish surnamed persons.

The syndicate racket used to hide the fluoride effect in Oak Ridge infected
and dominated all the public processes from the ORHASP Health Study to the
End-Use Meetings. Oak Ridge used its OREPA stooges to play up the public
perception that radiation was most involved in the health problems of Oak Ridge. OREPA
had a position on this panel and went into the K-25 plant and played up
radiation. All this helped to conceal the fluoride health effects that dominate the
worker health issues.

Some of the ORHASP contractors were directly from Oak Ridge and the DOE
system and went right along with the total White Wash of the fluoride connected
health effects and the massive releases of HF from the plant. One example is Owen
Hoffman [another Jewish Surname] and the SENES Company. Hoffman played up
ORNL's I-131 releases and these effects on the thyroid and this helped to draw
attention from the fluoride induced thyroid damage that highly affects Oak Ridge
workers and local communities. Hoffman long worked for ORNL and did studies
on Tc-99 releases into communities from the Gas Diffusion plant.

Oak Ridge methods also used the retired Manhattan Project types to control
public meetings and shout down persons that tend to tell the truth on the
magnitude of the Fluoride Disaster in Oak Ridge. Many of these old retired persons
have the Jewish associated surnames, and there is a reason. One prime example
of these persons "shouting down" those exposing the fluoride truth can be seen
from a person named Al Brooks in the "End-Use" Meetings on Oak Ridge.

Al Brooks can even be seen in collusion at End-Use meetings with ORNL's
Richard Mathis, who was highly involved with the cover up of HF releases and health
harm to workers at the ORNL MSRE. Al Brooks is a chemist that worked for the
K-25 plant in flow research. He comes to all the public meetings and can be
seen consulting with all the plant's upper management. He is one of the prime
threats to truth in Oak Ridge and a menace to society.

The extent of Oak Ridge's conspiracy to protect exposing the truth goes so
far as the creation of the classified "Chemtrail" projects that use aluminum
oxide particles released from jet planes to pull the HF out of the air and
correct for global warming with cloud seeding. Later designs use modified jet
engines and jet fuels to seed massive amounts of cloud forming particles. The
classification here allows Oak Ridge to hide many of the hydrogen fluoride health
effects from the gas diffusion process. It shows the magnitude to which the
corrupted society of Oak Ridge will go to hide health effects that harm the
population.

Their conspiracy to suppress the harm to human health is no different than a
plot to poison someone with arsenic, as in the stories from the "Arsenic and
Old Lace" short story. Oak Ridge poisoned persons with HF and upset their trace
metals balance and immune health. They have gotten together a large force of
conspirators to help cover up the disaster that their Manhattan Project's many
Jewish associated managers caused. It is a highly Jewish organized crime
syndicate that seeks to hide the liabilities for their massive mistakes that runs
Oak Ridge. They also seek to help the DOE and TVA hide the fact that they
failed to warn the public about the massive dangers to human and animal health
from the HF emissions from coal burning.

The Jewish Manhattan Project managers of Oak Ridge also know all these hot
items relate directly to the problems in their religion misrepresenting issues
of the biblical narratives. The truth here will dissolve any rights of Israel
to their land grab from their Arab brothers in the Middle East. The truth on
how these fluoride factors related to Moses and the Mt. Sinai volcano effects
are the major components of the End-Times of Revelations. These Revelations of
Jesus will force the conversions of the Jews toward the better knowledge from
these times. JFK threatened this same Jewish Mafia connected to the Manhattan
Project and they had him killed.

From the JFK era, the largest of the secrets in Oak Ridge involves the fact
that the polio vaccines infected large portions of the US population with a
virus called SV-40, which is carcinogenic. Radiation, HF / fluorides, and toxic
metals activate this carcinogenic virus and many others. JFK shut down
atmospheric testing due to rising Sr-90 and I-131 radiation inducing these effects in
children. The HF releases and toxic metals releases cause extensive health
effects in Oak Ridge via like venue. The Hiroshima data on which exposure risk
data is formulated does not reflect these effects that raise those risks.

The Oak Ridge syndicate operation is the worst crime family the world has
ever known and they pose a danger to everyone in the world. Their crimes are so
serious that they all need to be sent to prison for life. It is racketeering
and treason expressed at its highest levels, and so dangerous that it can
destroy the Constitution and the country.

The 40s wartime Manhattan Project was first implemented in highly Jewish New
York city by many Jews wanting to defeat Hitler's Germany. The Jews have been
accused by many down through time as sucking the life blood and milk from any
society they have become involved. The Manhattan Project's Jewish pull
involved the highly Jewish controlled building, mining, metals, chemical, and medical
industries; now this has again become the case. The Manhattan Project has
been used by the Jews to entrench themselves into the American economy and
control it. It shows up very clearly in the study of the Manhattan Project and its
associations.

The Jews have not been honest in their religion and god designed by man, and
neither have they been honest in business dealings involving pollution and
harm dealt to working Americans. The Jewish methods have always not fully
informed the public or workers of risks, nor of the deceits on God. These methods
show Jewish industries reaping huge profits at the expense of workers health and
lives, while at the same time profiting from Jewish medicines or pharmacy
designed to mediate these toxic effects on health. Indeed, the observations of the
Jews collecting the milk from societies and sucking the lifeblood from
nations has again become a reality.

It is the time for all of America to take on this corrupted system where
pollution liabilities from Jewish predominated industries have been concealed to
the net harm of the American public. It is time to see that the Manhattan
Project's concealment of the dangers of fluorides are just more "deceit and
treachery" type "business as usual" methods from these type industry shysters. It is
time that Americans put these industry lies into perspective and see how they
are directly interrelated to the issues of religion hucksters. It is time for
freedom and truth to be allowed all Americans and this happens with them being
empowered with the full truth.

Modern man should not be lead to address his fears by clinging to an ill-born
faith as a child to a Teddy Bear, else this inborn fear shall steal his
health and longevity. Modern man should bear witness to the simple fact that there
is no fear, but fear itself. And no evil, but that composed of greed for money
and power over man by man. Fear is and always has been the product of
untruths and modern man should be closer to the simple givens of science, the natural
order of nature, and the derivations of God thereof. This is the pathway for
all men being delivered from evil. The ultimate symbolism of divinity is a
child not corrupted by these trappings.

In closing, each of you that have read this piece and others from this web
page will be receiving a very large dose of empowerment via truth. The bottom
line is "the truth will set you free."

End

[Yaak]

In closing, each of you that have read this piece and others from this web
page will be receiving a very large dose of empowerment via truth. The bottom
line is "the truth will set you free."

I would be surprised if anybody read your "piece."

Why would no one read it?

Because you have proven yourself to be a liar, Jimmy; a smokeblower.

[DvdGStwrt]

Government operated/owned/rented/subsidized/hired/contracted/etc. laboratories are all worthy for suspicion.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Government operated/owned/rented/subsidized/hired/contracted/etc. laboratories are all worthy for suspicion.

Not to mention white boys like Jimbo that worked there are all lousy dancers as well..Unless they're hot-footing it on a Caldera..

http://sickle666.com/images/MC-Jimbo.gif

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I think we know where to do the high concentration chemtrails testing for the next year.

[jayreynolds]

I think we know where to do the high concentration chemtrails testing for the next year.
What sort of comment is this, Jimbo?
It sounds like you are claiming current knowledge about illegal testing.
If so, you got plenty of explaining to do.
If not, it's just another of your lies.
So, tell your fellow chemmies the truth, once and for all.
Waiting for you, Jimbo.

[halva]

סולריתה שלח שר התעשיה,המסחר והתעסוקה אהוד אולמרט, בפגישה עם נציגי גרינפיס במשרדו בירושלים
הגדלת תמונה ירושלים, ישראל — הבוקר הגיש ארגון גרינפיס לשר התעשיה המסחר והתעסוקה, מר אהוד אולמרט, את "דו"ח גרינפיס לאנרגיה סולרית בישראל", במשרד התמ"ת בירושלים. הדו"ח, אשר מציג לראשונה לא רק את התועלות הבריאותיות והסביבתיות הטמונות באנרגיה סולרית, אלא גם את התועלות הכלכליות והחברתיות הטמונות בה.

דו"ח גרינפיס מוצא, כי הקמת מקורות אנרגיה סולריים בהיקף של 2,000 MW, ייצור במשך 20 השנים הקרובות עד 5,450 מקומות עבודה חדשים (47,000 שנות-משרה) כשרוב התעסוקה תיווצר באיזורים המוגדרים כאיזורי עדיפות לאומית – במיוחד בנגב. לשם השוואה – תוכנית ההשקעות החדשה של משרד התמ"ת, שמטרתה עידוד יצירת מקומות עבודה בפריפריה, מיועדת בכללותה ליצור כ-4,500 מקומות עבודה חדשים. בפגישתה עם השר אולמרט, קשרה נילי גרוסמן ,מנהלת מאבק האנרגיה של גרינפיס, בין פוטנציאל השמש המיוחד של ישראל – במיוחד בנגב – ובין בעיות האבטלה של ישראל – במיוחד בנגב. "במקום אחד טמונים גם בעיית האבטלה הקשה בישראל וגם פתרונה" אמרה גרוסמן.

השר אולמרט הודה בפגישה לפעילי גרינפיס על עבודתם המסורה והתחייב ללמוד את נתוני הדו"ח ולהמשיך לפעול עם גרינפיס בנושא.

דו"ח גרינפיס מוכיח כי השקעה נרחבת במקורות אנרגיה סולרית בישראל ייצרו לא רק מקומות עבודה ופתרון לשימוש במקורות מזהמים מיובאים כגון נפט ופחם, אלא אף יניבו למשק הישראלי רווח ראשוני (תועלת עודפת מהוונת) של 2 מיליארד דולר על פני 20 השנים הקרובות. זאת, עוד לפני שחושב פוטנציאל הייצוא העצום הטמון בטכנולוגיה הסולרית הישראלית. באיזור הים התיכון קיים פוטנציאל השמש מהגבוהים בעולם – שווה ערך ל1-2 חביות נפט למ"ר מדי שנה.

מדינות אלה מהוות שוק פוטנציאלי עבור ייצוא הטכנולוגיה הסולרית הישראלית אשר הביקוש לה צפוי לעלות עם עליית מחירי הדלקים וכניסתו לתוקף של פרוטוקול קיוטו (אמנת שינויי האקלים). מדינות אחרות כמו גרמניה,יפן, ספרד ומדינת קליפורניה כבר השכילו לעודד טכנולוגיות אנרגיה סולרית באמצעות מדיניות ממשלתית תומכת, וחלקן כבר הרוויחו מכך רווח עצום: הן היצואניות המובילות בעולם לטכנולוגיות אלו.

השנים הקרובות הן קריטיות בתהליך היישום וההשקעה באנרגיה סולרית, ומדינות רבות כבר החלו בפרויקטים ליישום אנרגיה סולרית במשקי החשמל שלהן. אפילו מדינות כגון מצריים, מרוקו, אלג'יריה ומקסיקו כבר נמצאות בשלבי תכנון מתקדמים להקמת פרוייקטים סולריים בשטחן, זאת על אף הדלקים הפוסיליים שבבעלותן. אם ברצונה של ישראל להשתלב ולהוביל משק זה, חלון ההזדמנויות קיים אך הינו קצר ביותר.

בפגישה היום עם השר אולמרט, אמרה נילי גרוסמן ,מנהלת מאבק האנרגיה של גרינפיס, כי "הקמת תחנות כוח סולאריות תספק אלפי מקומות תעסוקה איכותיים ותביא לתנופת פיתוח באיזור הנגב, איזור שהוגדר כאזור בעל עדיפות לאומית. בכוחו של משרד התמ"ת בהנהגת השר אולמרט להניע תהליך בעל חשיבות סביבתית חברתית וכלכלית. פיתוחו של שוק סולרי ישראלי ושימוש נרחב בטכנולוגיה זו יביאו לתנופה תעשייתית בתחום מבוקש בעולם, שאף יתפתח לענף ייצוא משגשג, מהלך אשר יציב את ישראל בחזית הטכנולוגיה העולמית ויחזק את כלכלת המדינה."
עיזרו לנו לקדם אנרגיה סולרית
עיזרו לגרינפיס לקדם אנרגיה סולרית ולמנוע את הסכנה לאקלים העולמי, כמו גם לשאר הקמפיינים שלנו ליצירת
עולם טוב, שליו ובריא יותר. הצטרפו אלינו!

[jayreynolds]

WAYNE HALL, QUIT SPAMMING FOREIGN TEXT TO TRY AND COVER UP THAT JIMBO IS NOW THREATENING TO SPRAY "HIGH CONCENTRATION CHEMTRAILS" ON SOMEONE.

IT"S CLEAR THAT JIMBO IS OFF HIS ROCKER!

I think we know where to do the high concentration chemtrails testing for the next year.
What sort of comment is this, Jimbo?
It sounds like you are claiming current knowledge about illegal testing.
If so, you got plenty of explaining to do.
If not, it's just another of your lies.
So, tell your fellow chemmies the truth, once and for all.
Waiting for you, Jimbo.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I think we have the prefect zone to do titanium tests on farmland. You have been wanting some selenium too. Think a strato-tanker load will do or do you want two? It might cure a mad dog's problem.

Jake 'mad-dog' Reynolds writes:

"" I'll hound you all till the last chemmie shuts the door and goes home.
Put that where the gerbil went and smoke it. ""



Does this properly discribe Jay Reynolds to a T, we all think so.

From DS:
""
Shy? No not at all shy, I see no reason to pursue the matter when people like you are there to copy and past your famous red letter posts. You are always there to make posts, use derogatory names, make assumptions, call upon half-truths and pulled out of context posts, refusing to acknowledge when people ANSWER your questions, etc. etc. etc.

I tried, really tried to discuss with you the subject matter. In fact all we have to do is read through “It’s not Nice to Fool with Mother Nature : http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums...hread.php?t=397 To see that I indeed answered your questions, I indeed approached you civilly and did indeed attempt discussion with you, but you are the one who sunk into name calling and making assumptions based on your personal take and bias of the subject matter.

Unlike you, Mr. Reynolds, I do not pursue an individual or group of individuals for years, and years and years to “convince” them of my side of the story. Unlike you, I do not make a web site or two and hound every discussion board relentlessly when after at least a month one would get the idea that there is no “winning” the argument.

Thinking about it Mr. Reynolds, after at least 7 years of this one would think that you would have tired of “Preaching the Gospel” to us and just walked away. Instead here you are, still blasting away, making posts based on your personal take on what people “may” be thinking, which in this case is far removed from the real thoughts I have about others.
__________________
"And God said ‘Let there be light’ - and we have been in the dark ever since." ""

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva, the "Greek Busy-body," needs to go back to "Wayne's World" and refute the fact that he has made a fem Reynold clone that demands political citations.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7915


Learn how to deal with both of them now. It is the only way you will ever learn science or politics. You made your bed, so make use of it.

[jayreynolds]

I think we have the prefect zone to do titanium tests on farmland. You have been wanting some selenium too. Think a strato-tanker load will do or do you want two?
Hey, Jimbo, speaking of tests. One year ago you promised you would get some jet fuel analyzed to prove that your claims that titanium was being added.

WHERE ARE THOSE TEST RESULTS, BOY????
WILL WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR IN VAIN FOR JIMBO TO PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE
WHATSOEVER FOR HIS CLAIMS????

I THINK HE WILL DODGE THE QUESTION TILL HELL FREEZES OVER, JUST LIKE ALWAYS!!!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jake Reynolds is into more of his infamous fabrications.

Jay Reynolds is under investigation for cruelty to animals, gerbils, and lack of human caring. --the classic sociopath.

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Jimbo, speaking of tests. One year ago you promised you would get some jet fuel analyzed to prove that your claims that titanium was being added.

WHERE ARE THOSE TEST RESULTS, BOY????
WILL WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR IN VAIN FOR JIMBO TO PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE
WHATSOEVER FOR HIS CLAIMS????

I THINK HE WILL DODGE THE QUESTION TILL HELL FREEZES OVER, JUST LIKE ALWAYS!!!
For the record, Jim Phelps remains unable to back up his claims, because they are false.

If jet fuel were contaminated, as he claims, it could easily be detected by analysis.
He doesn't dare make such an analysis, because he knows that he just made up the story, like everything else he says.


"The HAARP Project is another one and one that I also gave the name for."

"My studies on the atmosphere effects shut down the cold war."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I also solved the mystery behind the Tunguska Blast in 1908."

"My discovery that the G-protein effects of fluoride-metal complexes caused the AIDS epidemic set off a national emergency."

"I also walked on these volcanoes barefoot, just as Moses did in his time."

"It was via Jim Phelps' knowledge of these relevant issues on Global Climate change and old world warfare that the HAARP and chemtrail methods were conceived or invented."

"The invention of JP-8 jet fuel formula was also an inadvertent Icon for Jim Phelps..."

"I invented "nanoscience" and the revolution in small atom scale materials to effect global systems effects."

"Jim Phelps is the father of the nano- science revolution that started at ORNL in the mid-1980's."

"My nano-science discoveries are being used to control global warming and global health, and are the essences of global systems science. It uses the secrets of the Ark of the Covenant and the secrets of 5,000 year old Egyptian metals sciences."

"I have managed to end the production of Freon in the US due to these issues and one can see that Freon was banned by Congress just after my discoveries."

"I am the fail-safe for these problems, a kind of Egyptian Anubis watchdog for the feather balance of right vs wrong."

"Jim Phelps is the national lab person that discovered serious issues in terminal event theory of global systems, invented Star Wars weapons, forced the DOE to begin clean up of pollution damaging workers and communities, discovered the air pharmacology techniques [aka chemtrails], and forced the closure of K-25 and other DOE plants. My projects in the DOE and DOD are more classified than the H-bomb."

"Jim Phelps is the inventor of the HAARP project, the discover that the Earth's magnetic field is an MHD generator, the discover of the critical factors of fluoide's on health..."

"Jim Phelps invented systems that protect the health of animals and man on a scale that dwarfs what Moses attempted..."

"I invented the titanium technique, which essentially blocks the onset of fluorosis due to fluoride in the food and water chain."

"Today, my titanium air pharmacology invention keeps the cattle of the US from getting things like "Mad Cow" syndrome from the fallout of fluorides onto grass."

"I have the ranking most powerful weapon system design in Star Wars that literally taps the power from a Star."

"My studies also solved the basic issues on the cause of AIDS in 1985."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I had become more a destroyer of worlds, as Oppenheimer quoted from the "Gita."

"In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered one step removed from God.."


Hey, Jimbo, will you ever show us any proof whatsoever for any of your above claims?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jake 'mad-dog' Reynolds writes:

"" I'll hound you all till the last chemmie shuts the door and goes home.
Put that where the gerbil went and smoke it. ""



Does this properly discribe Jay Reynolds to a T, we all think so.

From DS:
""
Shy? No not at all shy, I see no reason to pursue the matter when people like you are there to copy and past your famous red letter posts. You are always there to make posts, use derogatory names, make assumptions, call upon half-truths and pulled out of context posts, refusing to acknowledge when people ANSWER your questions, etc. etc. etc.

I tried, really tried to discuss with you the subject matter. In fact all we have to do is read through “It’s not Nice to Fool with Mother Nature : http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums...hread.php?t=397 To see that I indeed answered your questions, I indeed approached you civilly and did indeed attempt discussion with you, but you are the one who sunk into name calling and making assumptions based on your personal take and bias of the subject matter.

Unlike you, Mr. Reynolds, I do not pursue an individual or group of individuals for years, and years and years to “convince” them of my side of the story. Unlike you, I do not make a web site or two and hound every discussion board relentlessly when after at least a month one would get the idea that there is no “winning” the argument.

Thinking about it Mr. Reynolds, after at least 7 years of this one would think that you would have tired of “Preaching the Gospel” to us and just walked away. Instead here you are, still blasting away, making posts based on your personal take on what people “may” be thinking, which in this case is far removed from the real thoughts I have about others.
__________________
"And God said ‘Let there be light’ - and we have been in the dark ever since." ""

[jayreynolds]

Where's your proof, Jimbo?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The greatest proof of all lies in the GOP criminal monsters like you.

Everyone one of your GOP hate remarks becomes a feather in my hat.

You make my case daily for everyone on the internet.

The louder you protest, the harder you sell my points.


Your scarlet letters have become my greatest asset, a real merit badge, as it is obvious to all that your intentions are to deceive and harass.


Please continue the hard work, but do keep in mind the citizen's will demand their due for your misleading them soon.

Pump up the Volume !!

[jayreynolds]

Everyone one of your GOP hate remarks becomes a feather in my hat. You make my case daily for everyone on the internet.

Jimbo, I haven't been making "hate remarks", I have been asking for proof that what you say is true. So far you have provided NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for your claims.
EVERYBODY SEES THIS, JIMBO!
THEY ARE NOT BLIND!


The louder you protest, the harder you sell my points. Your scarlet letters have become my greatest asset, a real merit badge, as it is obvious to all that your intentions are to deceive and harass.

With friends like me, you really need no other enemies, right, Jimbo?
That said, can you name even one acolyte you have gained here by refusing to show proof of your claims?


Please continue the hard work, but do keep in mind the citizen's will demand their due for your misleading them soon.

Jimbo, please explain how asking for proof of your claims amounts to "misleading" anyone?
Oh, and you had better consider what has happened to you so far among the chemmies so far.

YOU have been the "big loser", bub..

[halva]

Phelps has strengthened his position among the chemmies, and his taking on the job of arguing with you frees us to do other things.

[Yaak]

Phelps has strengthened his position among the chemmies, and his taking on the job of arguing with you frees us to do other things.
Other things like what, Wayne? What a laugh!:lol:

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
A Research Paper Presented To Air Force 2025
August 1996

Below are highlights contained within the actual report. Please remember that this research report was issued in 1996 - 8 years ago - and that much of what was discussed as being in preliminary stages back then is now a reality.

In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels.

In this paper we show that appropriate application of weather-modification can provide battlespace dominance to a degree never before imagined. In the future, such operations will enhance air and space superiority and provide new options for battlespace shaping and battlespace awareness. "The technology is there, waiting for us to pull it all together" [General Gordon R. Sullivan, "Moving into the 21st Century: America's Army and Modernization," Military Review (July 1993) quoted in Mary Ann Seagraves and Richard Szymber, "Weather a Force Multiplier," Military Review, November/December 1995, 75].

A global, precise, real-time, robust, systematic weather-modification capability would provide war-fighting CINCs [an acronym meaning "Commander IN Chief" of a unified command] with a powerful force multiplier to achieve military objectives. Since weather will be common to all possible futures, a weather-modification capability would be universally applicable and have utility across the entire spectrum of conflict. The capability of influencing the weather even on a small scale could change it from a force degrader to a force multiplier.

In 1957, the president's advisory committee on weather control explicitly recognized the military potential of weather-modification, warning in their report that it could become a more important weapon than the atom bomb [William B. Meyer, "The Life and Times of US Weather: What Can We Do About It?" American Heritage 37, no. 4 (June/July 1986), 48].

Today [since 1969], weather-modification is the alteration of weather phenomena over a limited area for a limited period of time. [Herbert S. Appleman, An Introduction to Weather-modification (Scott AFB, Ill.: Air Weather Service/MAC, September 1969), 1].

In the broadest sense, weather-modification can be divided into two major categories: suppression and intensification of weather patterns. In extreme cases, it might involve the creation of completely new weather patterns, attenuation or control of severe storms, or even alteration of global climate on a far-reaching and/or long-lasting scale.

Extreme and controversial examples of weather modification-creation of made-to-order weather, large-scale climate modification, creation and/or control (or "steering") of severe storms, etc.-were researched as part of this study... the weather-modification applications proposed in this report range from technically proven to potentially feasible.

Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations

How will the military, in general, and the USAF, in particular, manage and employ a weather-modification capability? We envision this will be done by the weather force support element (WFSE), whose primary mission would be to support the war-fighting CINCs with weather-modification options, in addition to current forecasting support. Although the WFSE could operate anywhere as long as it has access to the GWN and the system components already discussed, it will more than likely be a component within the AOC or its 2025-equivalent. With the CINC's intent as guidance, the WFSE formulates weather-modification options using information provided by the GWN, local weather data network, and weather-modification forecast model. The options include range of effect, probability of success, resources to be expended, the enemy's vulnerability, and risks involved. The CINC chooses an effect based on these inputs, and the WFSE then implements the chosen course, selecting the right modification tools and employing them to achieve the desired effect. Sensors detect the change and feed data on the new weather pattern to the modeling system which updates its forecast accordingly. The WFSE checks the effectiveness of its efforts by pulling down the updated current conditions and new forecast(s) from the GWN and local weather data network, and plans follow-on missions as needed. This concept is illustrated in figure 3-2.



Two key technologies are necessary to meld an integrated, comprehensive, responsive, precise, and effective weather-modification system. Advances in the science of chaos are critical to this endeavor. Also key to the feasibility of such a system is the ability to model the extremely complex nonlinear system of global weather in ways that can accurately predict the outcome of changes in the influencing variables. Researchers have already successfully controlled single variable nonlinear systems in the lab and hypothesize that current mathematical techniques and computer capacity could handle systems with up to five variables. Advances in these two areas would make it feasible to affect regional weather patterns by making small, continuous nudges to one or more influencing factors. Conceivably, with enough lead time and the right conditions, you could get "made-to-order" weather [William Brown, "Mathematicians Learn How to Tame Chaos," New Scientist (30 May 1992): 16].

The total weather-modification process would be a real-time loop of continuous, appropriate, measured interventions, and feedback capable of producing desired weather behavior.

The essential ingredient of the weather-modification system is the set of intervention techniques used to modify the weather. The number of specific intervention methodologies is limited only by the imagination, but with few exceptions they involve infusing either energy or chemicals into the meteorological process in the right way, at the right place and time. The intervention could be designed to modify the weather in a number of ways, such as influencing clouds and precipitation, storm intensity, climate, space, or fog.

PRECIPITATION

"...significant beneficial influences can be derived through judicious exploitation of the solar absorption potential of carbon black dust" [William M. Gray et al., "Weather-modification by Carbon Dust Absorption of Solar Energy," Journal of Applied Meteorology 15 (April 1976): 355]. The study ultimately found that this technology could be used to enhance rainfall on the mesoscale, generate cirrus clouds, and enhance cumulonimbus (thunderstorm) clouds in otherwise dry areas.

...if we are fortunate enough to have a fairly large body of water available upwind from the targeted battlefield, carbon dust could be placed in the atmosphere over that water. Assuming the dynamics are supportive in the atmosphere, the rising saturated air will eventually form clouds and rainshowers downwind over the land.

Numerous dispersal techniques [of carbon dust] have already been studied, but the most convenient, safe, and cost-effective method discussed is the use of afterburner-type jet engines to generate carbon particles while flying through the targeted air. This method is based on injection of liquid hydrocarbon fuel into the afterburner's combustion gases [this explains why contrails have now become chemtrails].

To date, much work has been done on UAVs [Unmanned Aviation Vehicles] which can closely (if not completely) match the capabilities of piloted aircraft. If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technologies, the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while en route to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.

If clouds were seeded (using chemical nuclei similar to those used today or perhaps a more effective agent discovered through continued research) before their downwind arrival to a desired location, the result could be a suppression of precipitation. In other words, precipitation could be "forced" to fall before its arrival in the desired territory, thereby making the desired territory "dry."

FOG

Field experiments with lasers have demonstrated the capability to dissipate warm fog at an airfield with zero visibility. Smart materials based on nanotechnology are currently being developed with gigaops computer capability at their core. They could adjust their size to optimal dimensions for a given fog seeding situation and even make adjustments throughout the process. They might also enhance their dispersal qualities by adjusting their buoyancy, by communicating with each other, and by steering themselves within the fog. They will be able to provide immediate and continuous effectiveness feedback by integrating with a larger sensor network and can also change their temperature and polarity to improve their seeding effects [J. Storrs Hall, "Overview of Nanotechnology," adapted from papers by Ralph C. Merkle and K. Eric Drexler, Rutgers University, November 1995]. As mentioned above, UAVs could be used to deliver and distribute these smart materials.

Recent army research lab experiments have demonstrated the feasibility of generating fog. They used commercial equipment to generate thick fog in an area 100 meters long. Further study has shown fogs to be effective at blocking much of the UV/IR/visible spectrum, effectively masking emitters of such radiation from IR weapons [Robert A. Sutherland, "Results of Man-Made Fog Experiment," Proceedings of the 1991 Battlefield Atmospherics Conference (Fort Bliss, Tex.: Hinman Hall, 3-6 December 1991)].

Con't

[Insurrectionchemistry]

STORMS

The damage caused by storms is indeed horrendous. For instance, a tropical storm has an energy equal to 10,000 one-megaton hydrogen bombs [Louis J. Battan, Harvesting the Clouds (Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday & Co., 1960), 120]. At any instant there are approximately 2,000 thunderstorms taking place. In fact 45,000 thunderstorms, which contain heavy rain, hail, microbursts, wind shear, and lightning form daily [Gene S. Stuart, "Whirlwinds and Thunderbolts," Nature on the Rampage (Washington, D.C.: National Geographic Society, 1986), 130].

Weather-modification technologies might involve techniques that would increase latent heat release in the atmosphere, provide additional water vapor for cloud cell development, and provide additional surface and lower atmospheric heating to increase atmospheric instability. The focus of the weather-modification effort would be to provide additional "conditions" that would make the atmosphere unstable enough to generate cloud and eventually storm cell development.

One area of storm research that would significantly benefit military operations is lightning modification... but some offensive military benefit could be obtained by doing research on increasing the potential and intensity of lightning.

Possible mechanisms to investigate would be ways to modify the electropotential characteristics over certain targets to induce lightning strikes on the desired targets as the storm passes over their location.

In summary, the ability to modify battlespace weather through storm cell triggering or enhancement would allow us to exploit the technological "weather" advances.

SPACE WEATHER-MODIFICATION

This section discusses opportunities for control and modification of the ionosphere and near-space environment for force enhancement. A number of methods have been explored or proposed to modify the ionosphere, including injection of chemical vapors and heating or charging via electromagnetic radiation or particle beams (such as ions, neutral particles, x-rays, MeV particles, and energetic electrons) - [Peter M. Banks, "Overview of Ionospheric Modification from Space Platforms," in Ionospheric Modification and Its Potential to Enhance or Degrade the Performance of Military Systems (AGARD Conference Proceedings 485, October 1990) 19-1].

It is important to note that many techniques to modify the upper atmosphere have been successfully demonstrated experimentally. Ground-based modification techniques employed by the FSU include vertical HF heating, oblique HF heating, microwave heating, and magnetospheric modification [Capt Mike Johnson, Upper Atmospheric Research and Modification-Former Soviet Union (U), DST-18205-475-92 (Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Center, AF Intelligence Command, 24 September 1992)].

Creation of an artificial uniform ionosphere was first proposed by Soviet researcher A. V. Gurevich in the mid-1970s. An artificial ionospheric mirror (AIM) would serve as a precise mirror for electromagnetic [EM]radiation of a selected frequency or a range of frequencies.



ARTIFICIAL WEATHER

While most weather-modification efforts rely on the existence of certain preexisting conditions, it may be possible to produce some weather effects artificially, regardless of preexisting conditions. For instance, virtual weather could be created by influencing the weather information received by an end user.

Nanotechnology also offers possibilities for creating simulated weather. A cloud, or several clouds, of microscopic computer particles, all communicating with each other and with a larger control system could provide tremendous capability. Interconnected, atmospherically buoyant, and having navigation capability in three dimensions, such clouds could be designed to have a wide-range of properties... Even if power levels achieved were insufficient to be an effective strike weapon [if power levels WERE sufficient, they would be an effective strike weapon], the potential for psychological operations in many situations could be fantastic.

One major advantage of using simulated weather to achieve a desired effect is that unlike other approaches, it makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena. In addition, it is potentially relatively inexpensive to do. According to J. Storrs Hall, a scientist at Rutgers University conducting research on nanotechnology, production costs of these nanoparticles could be about the same price per pound as potatoes [Ibid, Hall].

Weather affects everything we do, and weather-modification can enhance our ability to dominate the aerospace environment.

The US Army has already alluded to this approach in their concept of "owning the weather." Accordingly, storm modification will become more valuable over time [Mary Ann Seagraves and Richard Szymber, "Weather a Force Multiplier," Military Review, November/December 1995, 69].

As depicted, the technologies and capabilities associated with such a counter weather role will become increasingly important.

The importance of space weather-modification will grow with time. Its rise will be more rapid at first as the technologies it can best support or negate proliferate at their fastest rates.

CONCLUSIONS

The ability to modify the weather may be desirable both for economic and defense reasons. The global weather system has been described as a series of spheres or bubbles. Pushing down on one causes another to pop up [Daniel S. Halacy, The Weather Changers (New York: Harper & Row, 1968), 202].

The lessons of history indicate a real weather-modification capability will eventually exist despite the risk. The drive exists. People have always wanted to control the weather and their desire will compel them to collectively and continuously pursue their goal. The motivation exists. The potential benefits and power are extremely lucrative and alluring for those who have the resources to develop it. This combination of drive, motivation, and resources will eventually produce the technology. History also teaches that we cannot afford to be without a weather-modification capability once the technology is developed and used by others. Even if we have no intention of using it, others will. To call upon the atomic weapon analogy again, we need to be able to deter or counter their capability with our own.

As the preceding chapters have shown, weather-modification is a force multiplier with tremendous power that could be exploited across the full spectrum of war-fighting environments... But, while offensive weather-modification efforts would certainly be undertaken by US forces with great caution and trepidation, it is clear that we cannot afford to allow an adversary to obtain an exclusive weather-modification capability.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

That was so much fun, lets do that again.

Now louder. More of the drug addicted GOP Rush Limbaugh Palm-Beach attitude this time.

Plow-boy and Cad-dude need to howl in unison at the moon.

[jayreynolds]

The "speculative index" of the artcle posted by Jimbo is quite high.

I made a search of the text and found that the word "if" was used seven times, and the word "could" twenty one times.

it would be far better if you chemmies would concentrate your efforts on providing proof, but then you've been trying that since 1999 with no proof whatsoever coming forward. What your people have come up with are a series of speculations, insinuations, and outright fabrications.

That is enough to maintain a semblance of support from a small coterie of ignorant 'true believers' with malfuncioning BS filters, but the results so far indicate no succcess whatsoever from those who make up their minds from facts, logic, and critical thinking.

The former group are available to perpetuate the hoax, but the preponderance of folks still lie in the latter category and will remain so. The fact remains that there exist no such thing as "chemtrails", no matter how many 'work-around-reality' articles you can come up with.

That is the reason for your people's frustration, and why your hoax simply doesn't ever gain any ground.

Tough luck fellows.

[halva]

Ho hum.

[whitemajikman]

The "speculative index" of the artcle posted by Jimbo is quite high.

I made a search of the text and found that the word "if" was used seven times, and the word "could" twenty one times.

it would be far better if you chemmies would concentrate your efforts on providing proof, but then you've been trying that since 1999 with no proof whatsoever coming forward. What your people have come up with are a series of speculations, insinuations, and outright fabrications.

That is enough to maintain a semblance of support from a small coterie of ignorant 'true believers' with malfuncioning BS filters, but the results so far indicate no succcess whatsoever from those who make up their minds from facts, logic, and critical thinking.

The former group are available to perpetuate the hoax, but the preponderance of folks still lie in the latter category and will remain so. The fact remains that there exist no such thing as "chemtrails", no matter how many 'work-around-reality' articles you can come up with.

That is the reason for your people's frustration, and why your hoax simply doesn't ever gain any ground.

Tough luck fellows.


YOUR VERY OWN GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY ARE HAVING GREAT SUCCESS WITH WEATHER MODIFICATION.........I THINK YOU NEEDTO RETIRE OR BE RETIRED........YOUR CLAIM THAT IT IS ALL A HOAX IS A HOAX UNTO ITSELF .......WHO DO YOU THINK TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY.......I CAN HONESTLY SAY NO ONE THAT TRULY MATTERS.........

[jayreynolds]

YOUR VERY OWN GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY ARE HAVING GREAT SUCCESS WITH WEATHER MODIFICATION

and your proof for this is............?

[whitemajikman]

and your proof for this is............?

Here is one example......from 1998........

North Dakota Rainmakers
By Dan Gunderson
July 22, 1998 RealAudio 2.0 14.4

Despite scientific skepticism, cloud seeding is becoming more common. The largest cloud seeding company in the world is based in Fargo.

THE MAYANS THREW WOMEN INTO WELLS to appease the rain god. In 18th century England, bells were rung to shock moisture from the clouds. In the mid-1800s in Texas, dynamite was attached to kites and exploded in flight in hopes of producing rain.

In 1946 a General Electric scientist found silver iodide caused ice to form. Ice in clouds can cause rain, and the discovery prompted an explosion of cloud seeding in the '50s and '60s. More often than not, the efforts failed, and cloud seeders were looked upon as charlatans.

Weather Modification chief meteorologist Fred Reemer says enthusiasm was ahead of science.

Reemer: During the 1950s and '60s, you had salesmen overselling weather modification, saying it could do great things, but they weren't necessarily doing the right things.
Weather Modification, Inc., has its world headquarters in a spacious office complex and hangar at the Fargo airport. On a catwalk at one end of the hangar, Fred Reemer shows off the latest in weather radar - a key weapon in the high-tech game of cloud seeding.
Reemer: I think it was about five we saw some storms ... here we go.
He pulls the radar image of a recent thunderstorm from the computer's memory.
Reemer: Ah, here's the storm. This is a massive storm. Gets me excited just looking at it. Typically this time of year storms go up to 45,000 feet. When this one went to 65 - we knew it was hellacious.
Weather modification sets up radar like this wherever it has an operation. Radar operators then pinpoint where new thunderstorms are growing and, using global positioning satellites, direct aircraft to spew silver iodide crystals into the thunderstorm.

Pilots typically give thunderstorms a wide berth, but cloud seeders like Hans Ulness get as close to the turbulence as possible. It sounds dangerous, but Ulness says in 30 years the company hasn't lost a plane or pilot.

Ulness: The idea isn't to go out and kill yourself. It?s not a heroic struggle against the cloud. It?s a business.
Hans Ulness has logged about 2,000 hours cloud seeding in 17 years. He says flying into the heart of thunderstorms is never routine.
Ulness: The updrafts and downdrafts are enough to shake your teeth loose. I long ago quit wearing baseball caps with the little knob on top 'cause you nail the roof and end up with a little dent in your head.
Cloud seeding pioneers in North Dakota started work in the 1950s as a way first to reduce hail, then to enhance rainfall.

In theory, seeding a cloud with silver iodide will create raindrops, increasing precipitation and reducing the moisture available to form hail.

Today, Fargo-based Weather Modification operates across the U.S. and in Canada, Mexico, Greece, and Thailand.

Vice president Jim Sweeney sees a bright future.

Sweeney: We've seen significant growth in the industry, both domestically and internationally. Cloud seeding is becoming more of a water management tool. We're not there to solve a drought problem, but over a number of years we can certainly improve water conditions.
Traditionally, governments fund cloud seeding, but Jim Sweeney says a project aimed at reducing hail in Alberta is breaking new ground: it's being paid for by insurance companies hoping to cut their losses.
Sweeney: They're paying approximately $1.4 million per year. That?s a drop in the bucket for them - paying out even 15 or 150 million per storm. If we can reduce that even by a little bit, it's well worth their while.
Interest in cloud seeding may be growing, but scientific skepticism continues unabated. Bill Cotton is one of a legion of scientists who doubt cloud seeding is a good investment. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University, says the success of cloud seeding is based more on a convincing sales pitch than scientific proof.
Cotton: I think a lot of it is what I call a "political placebo." That is, it's better to do something than to do nothing.
Cotton studied weather modification as a graduate student 30 years ago and has maintained an interest in the practice. He says repeated studies have failed to prove cloud seeding has any effect on what a thunderstorm does, and he says a majority of scientists put cloud seeding in the same category as sorcery.
Cotton: It's a little hard for some scientists to imagine that - trying to suppress hail in one of these supercell thunderstorms you have up in that country, trying to put enough material in to alter the hail cycle. It's hard to believe.
Cloud seeders like Hans Ulness admit there's no clear scientific proof, and he says cloud seeding doesn't always work. Ulness says not just scientists are skeptics - a lot of farmers who pay the bill are, too. But he firmly believes cloud seeding works, and he shrugs off the naysayers.
Ulness: You can't just give people a check at the end of the year, "Here?s the hail you didn't get, and extra rain you got, and the extra wheat yield you got because of it, courtesy of Weather Mod. Here you go." It's more of an intangible thing. We can't color the rain purple we cause.
Fargo-based Weather Modification, Inc. plans to expand its operations in the U.S. and worldwide next year in response to a seemingly insatiable desire to control Mother Nature.


http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/199807/22_gundersond_rainmaker-m/

continued......

[whitemajikman]

HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE........

109th CONGRESS
1st Session



S. 517


To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2005
Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation



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A BILL
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(b) MEMBERSHIP-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

(C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

(c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies.

(c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results.

SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

(c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section.

SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications.

SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c).

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

(c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.
END

http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s517.html


NOW JAY WHERE IS YOUR PROOF TO THE CONTRARY............??????? YOU MADE A CLAIM THAT WEATHER MODIFICATION WAS NOT TAKING PLACE........JUST LOOK AT KATRINA AND SEE THE RESULTS OF TAMPERING WITH THE WEATHER........IT"S UNDENIABLE.......

WMM

[whitemajikman]

WAYNE Please pay attention to my first example in my last post,Greece is included and this was back in "98"..... can you imagine what is happening now........

Can you Imagine what a certain mayor could do with the name of a company that he has been told does not exist.......

ALSO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO DUPONT THE MAKERS OF THE FINE PARTICULATE THAT IS BEING USED IF THAT SAME MAYOR BROKE THE STORY........?

I WILL MAKE THAT FIRST POST FOR YOU .......SO WE MAY START........2006 IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY...........

I WILL ALSO EMPLOY GREENPEACE INTO THIS EQUATION.......IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY GOT OFF THEIR ASSES.......

WMM

[jayreynolds]

HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE........
109th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 517
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

NOW JAY WHERE IS YOUR PROOF TO THE CONTRARY............??????? YOU MADE A CLAIM THAT WEATHER MODIFICATION WAS NOT TAKING PLACE........JUST LOOK AT KATRINA AND SEE THE RESULTS OF TAMPERING WITH THE WEATHER........IT"S UNDENIABLE....... WMM

Now, Whitey, I never said weather modification efforts weren't taking place. The activity is regulated by state agencies just like driver's licenses, but real proof that it is effective simply hasn't been found.

What I asked for was proof for your comment that it was a "great success". The fact is that Texas dropped funding for it, and Senator Hutchinson tried to get a pork-barrel bill passed which has had no cosponsors and got stalled in committee, probably forever.

Did you even read the seven year old article you posted?

"Cotton studied weather modification as a graduate student 30 years ago and has maintained an interest in the practice. He says repeated studies have failed to prove cloud seeding has any effect on what a thunderstorm does, and he says a majority of scientists put cloud seeding in the same category as sorcery.
Cotton: It's a little hard for some scientists to imagine that - trying to suppress hail in one of these supercell thunderstorms you have up in that country, trying to put enough material in to alter the hail cycle. It's hard to believe.
Cloud seeders like Hans Ulness admit there's no clear scientific proof, and he says cloud seeding doesn't always work. Ulness says not just scientists are skeptics - a lot of farmers who pay the bill are, too."

[jayreynolds]

JUST LOOK AT KATRINA AND SEE THE RESULTS OF TAMPERING WITH THE WEATHER........IT"S UNDENIABLE....... [/COLOR]WMM

Oh, No, whitey it is quite deniable.

But first, where is the proof for your supposedly "undeniable" claim that Katrina was a result of "tampering with the weather" or 'weather modification"????

[halva]

WAYNE Please pay attention to my first example in my last post,Greece is included and this was back in "98"..... can you imagine what is happening now........

Can you Imagine what a certain mayor could do with the name of a company that he has been told does not exist.......

ALSO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO DUPONT THE MAKERS OF THE FINE PARTICULATE THAT IS BEING USED IF THAT SAME MAYOR BROKE THE STORY........?

I WILL MAKE THAT FIRST POST FOR YOU .......SO WE MAY START........2006 IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY...........

I WILL ALSO EMPLOY GREENPEACE INTO THIS EQUATION.......IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY GOT OFF THEIR ASSES.......

WMM

WMM, I am glad that you are willing to make 'that first post'. Above and beyond that, there is nobody that either mayors or Greenpeaces could petition, and no one to receive 'breaking stories'. I would advise you against trying to do anything more than what I suggested.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva, the bone head busy-body of Greece, needs to leave. You don't have a clue as to what is happening in the US.

WMM has a good idea. The New Orleans Mayor is very outspoken and getting loads of sound bytes on the air.

Should the Mayor of New Orleans learn that the US has long known that the hurricanes and storms are increasing in number and power, then the charges they level on TV are akin to murder and treason against the citizens.

I would think the Mayor of New Orleans has the "need to know" about the global warming factors pumping up these hurricanes, which resulted in his city's sinking---while the Govt withheld levee funds.


Put simply and figuratively speaking, high level criminal's heads need to roll.

[halva]

Some wires getting crossed here, I think.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Even Australia's wires can get it straight, just not Halva.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0%2C5744%2C16492814%5E6
01%2C00.html

[halva]

I don't think that WMM was referring to Katrina in his signalling to me. In any case, what happened there is entirely between you and your government.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Signals going to you are about as useful as Gilliga