Chemtrails as an excuse to justify drug abuse [Archive]

Insurrectionchemistry

07-14-2005, 01:25 PM

Greetings Everyone,

As some may have taken note, I have been spreading the word on the DMS equation and how it relates to matters like chemtrails, human health, and old factors of religion. Dimethyl Sulfide is the most important factor for chemtrials. It is the critical factor for Earth's ecosystems.

In so doing this, I listed some of the discussion material onto a Forum called "CTC," or "Chemtrails Central." What I encountered in recent days appears to be degenerate drug abusers that control the CTC Forum and harass people who that want to get the DMS factors into the open media. Two musicians and artist types that appear to think drugs are great and harass anyone that doesn't think so.

CTC musician and artist persons attempted to cover up the DMS issues with all manner of harassment.

One will find in the dialog included below, where some tried to suggest that drugs are fine and that drugs would make a great way to compensate for chemtrails and other pollution. I objected to that being any part of the DMS discussions, or the topic being thrust upon me as all OK.

People can talk on CTC about whatever in other subtopic, but to force drugs into the DMS discussion is outrageous. Out of control concepts by out control CTC degenerate moderator musicians and artists intent on talking about drugs there.

As one can read, since I said I don't approve of drug abuse and that I turn in people that abuse drugs----I was accused of being a "Narc" by a CTC moderator named "Swamp Gas." "Swamp Gas" attempting to protect his little buddy, "et", who openly admits to using LSD by making the thread discussion disappear. But the thread discussion was kept preserved below. This apears to be some sort of drug support pack that wants to use chemtrails as an excuse to justify illegal drug use.

Not too good for a Chemtrails Message Board to be doing that sort of thing. It makes it appear they want to use chemtrails knowledge to blackmail the Govt into giving way on drug abuse. I think it is high time that CTC has Swamp Gas removed as moderator and his little drug abusing pal et banned from the site for harassment over the drug and DMS discusions.

Just my observation and opinion of this bunch of musicians and drug abuses on CTC's forum. Read it in their own words below.

Folks need to see the real CTC that they are attempting to hide and conceal.

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Jim Phelps chemtrail revelation thread Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:10 pm

I have moved this thread since Jim Phelps actually threatened me for discussing what he considers to be off subject topic. I have not banned him at this point because some of his data is valuable.
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Swamp Gas Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:

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So the truth comes out, you are a Narc, and support the Drug Wars. I should have known. Don't you feel proud.

You and Penrod should get together and discuss chemtrails over some booze.

CTC is free to dicuss whatever anybody wants, short of abuse. I feel like I am talking to Scott McClellan now. You are repeating the same thing over and over.

For instance, if cannabis is seen to protect against chemtrails, we shouldn't discuss it in your opinion?

You see, Jim, you are coming across as a chicken-shit now. You can't discuss legal vs illegal drugs and it's connection to the NWO. However, who are you to set the rules on what is chemtrail/NWO related material? All you can do is spout your Nixon-ian, Bushian views on drugs, and write it off.

Jim Phelps Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

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Swamp,

It gets down to this simple a question. DO you or any of the CTC Forums moderators have any objections as to my bringing the DMS and chemtrails associations to everyone's attention here on the CTC Forum?

If not, then why do the moderator(s) seem to allow discussion of all matter of extraneous matters that are well off the chemtrails discussion of this subjects thread.

I thought moderation's job was supposed to make the bringing forward of pertinent material on chemtrails a friendly and nice environment.

So, give those answers some thought for a few days.

I can well find many other zones to bring issues forward than the sort of harassment that you defend here. I can also well bring up your support for illegal drugs as an very off base area for CTC discussions, by a moderator no less.

On the record, I don't support illegal drug use at all. If you commit one of those drug offense in front of me, it goes right to the police. I have gotten dozens of drug users terminated from Oak Ridge, some in jails. I also don't like the contamination of the food supplies either with all manner of stuff. But that type discussion is totally off this threat's intended directions. Now isn't it. So, don't even suggest that your going to attempt to force your drug views on me, else your NWO problems here will increase preciptiously.

CTC is not about your personal soap box for drug support.

IMHO,
JP

Swamp Gas Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject:

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Who's supporting drugs? I support the freedom to talk about whatever one needs to, short of abusing other posters, which I made clear already. CTC has other categories, so people can discuss all these important issues.

You are mentioning George Bush in a chemtrails thread. What do those two subjects have in common? You are bringing up Noah's Arc, not me. What do those two have in common.

I seems like you are trying to put some spotlight on ET and I for mentioning LSD. Sorry, it won't work. I bet your hoping some DEA people are reading this, with your constant references to drugs.

For instance, if organized religion's design is to dumb down people, then does that not fit into NWO category? Now combine that with Serotonin reuptake inhibitors, chemtrails, drugs, Nixon, Sulfur cycles, NWO, JFK, RFk, MLK, Iraq, Vietnam, all connect together seamlessly.

Jim Phelps Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject:

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Swamp,

I was interested in develping this DMS issue and its associations to the chemtrail problems and the NWO connections.

I did not come here to discuss LSD use, Peyote or any of the other drug / alcohol things.

I think you might need to stick with the purpose of the CTC. Last I looked it was supposed to be about chemtrails, how they work, what keeps them so secretive, and those related discussions.

DMS falls into that venue, as that is what started it all for chemtrails. DMS is not a drug, as last I looked, but it is part of important processes for cooling the planet and aiding long term human health.

So, you might want to explain in real simple terms for me why I would want to get into caffeine, alcohol, LSD, and a dozen other distractions to open a forum discussion on the importance of DMS for the founding of chemtrails activities.

Then explain to me in real simple terms, why I would need to get into these same factors of caffeine, alcohol, LSD, and such to open up the DMS associations with religion.

Sorry, that seems like a very wrong approach for discussion of DMS.

It would appear Mr. Swamp, that you have come very far afield from the discussion of chemtrails and the DMS effects that stem from oceans and UV effects on plankton.

Remind me why you seem to be off on defending drugs in place of providing a nice place to discuss chemtrails.

This is a very simple sub-topic-----DMS and chemtrails. I don't think drug trips and two dozen other wild distractions should be a part of that discussion.

DO YOU, and explain why.

I see all this other stuff as just blatant attempts to drown out the DMS information and attack the messenger. Pure and simple. And you off on some soap box about drugs. When did CTC become the drug support workshop?

IMHO,
JP

Swamp Gas Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:

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Jim,

I am fully aware of Bush/Zionist connections and Operation Paperclip, circa 1947, when a host of events occured...CIA founded, National Intelligence, Dea Sea Scrolls, first LSD scientific paper published, Blue Book, transistor, communist witch hunts, most plane crashes in the history of aviation, etc.

Now, if your making some type of claim that "I don't think" because of what I did almost 40 years ago, you are incorrect. That's not very nice, considering I never took you to task for what I perceived as inconsistancies.

As far as a NWO puppet, perhaps you should look at yourself. If you are the inventor of HAARP, does not that right there tell me you are a NWO-er? ET and I are musicians and artists. The problem is simple. We are on the pulse of society and it's changes. Scientists are not. This is the way it always has been and will always be.

If you want to start a thread called "Peyote vs Alcohol", I'll be glad to participate.

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Insurrectionchemistry

07-14-2005, 01:28 PM

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Copied from Jul 14, 2005 2:01 am "Noah's ark" listing by "et"

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I find it absolutely delightful simply to free associate oneself & just persue links as you see them. A link at your doewatch site placed me here within 2 clicks:

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-07.htm

Like I said, I dig the pictures alot. Hey, you wouldn't happen to have any of that trip you made barefoot on the volcano, would you? I firewalked one night years & years ago down in Key West when me & a couple of friends were taking LSD, but I never hot-footed it over a volcano..

Pics?

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Originally posted by Jim Phelps
Swampy,

Lets see, Swamp, we have admission of drug abuse on the CTC forum by "et," someone you seem to be supporting. See:

"down in Key West when me & a couple of friends were taking LSD"

And we have abuse language from Jul 14, 2005 3:31 am:

"And while I banter with this creep.."

Swamp, just when did CTC become the host for bragging about drug abuse and supporting verbal abuse? When someone makes admission of drug abuse on your forum, an unlawful act, it becames a special matter that needs to be reported by you.

Someone that has been on CTC for a little over a month and has over 400 listings, there is a problem. That is like 10 listings a day and from all hours of the day and night.

IMHO,
JP
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Jim, there is nothing abusive about talking about a drug that was designed to enlighten people. If people can freely talk about how fucked up they are/were on legal drugs, then ET has every right to talk about LSD experiences. I did when LSD was legal. Are you taking the moral high ground, that the drugs you consume (pesticides and hormones in milk and meat, alcohol, caffeine) are OK since the Linear government desides they are the proper ones? I was through this crap with Julian Penrod, and he backed down when I caught him bragging about caffeine and alcohol. Frankly, I'm tired of people standing in judgement of other people's actions without any scientific data to back up their opinions. Besides, there is nothing illegal about talking about drugs.

However, in this banter between you two, I am not "taking sides", but trying to see if there is a common point.

As far as the verbal abuse, I ask you both to stop it, or I will lock this thread, and throw it in the administration area.

MAybe it is a common misunderstanding betwenn you and him?
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:55 pm

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As far as the verbal abuse, I ask you both to stop it, or I will lock this thread, and throw it in the administration area.
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I think that's an excellent idea. I think the admins should apply a critical review of a person whose only scientific articles appear on his own website & are not corroborated or reviewed by any peer system whatsoever. Blind acceptance of this person's 'scientific' pontifications demonstrates an unfortunate lack of critical thought. This may be an open forum, and I may be the new guy, but this is very much in the realm of junk, or psuedo-science. Especially with the neurotic genetic fusion of his science & religion.

I will also say again:

Any person who's clearance is 'above the ORNL & DOE' is not in a position to wag the dog about ANYTHING they have done now, or in the past. If one is to believe this person, he is violating National Security. That I happen to NOT believe him, I say he is committing a moral crime by exploiting the lawman's ignorance of the scientific process, and more than likely committing slander of a government facility with these outrageous allegations of activities at Oak Ridge such as plotting JFK's death.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence & a bunch of chicken scrath on his own site that is not authenticated by ANYONE ANYWHERE is dangerous to concede as geniune. He has no outside data to back up anything he says. The only reference I noticed in his chemtrail monolouge was a link to a person claiming to have found Noah's Ark & the Ark of the Covenant?

HELL-OOO???

Not to mention this person claims to be the inventor of a process that is considered highly suspect of being linked to human illness & drought everywhere. If he IS the father, he should be dragged into the street, then drawn & quartered.

Such behavoir is rewarded here with acceptance?

Come ON, guys..

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Jim Phelps

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Swampy,

I think it is much bigger than you might associate. When I listed the main chemtrail mechanism that involved the DMS and Sulfur Cycle corrections, it got into matters that are well into the NWO stuff and Pro-Israel, Pro-Zionism, and Mossad interests.

Think back. When Prescott Bush put together the Eisenhower and Nixon ticket and got the big money backing from Rockefellers and Rothschilds and the big oil types. They also got the backing of the Israel and GOP associated religion factors. Big Oil knows all about the Moses Mtn and oil refining, it is how they got the idea in the first place. That is how they became the protectors that the story of Moses was nothing more than a volcanic rift encountering the edge of an oil field. Persons like Eisenshower are on record as to knowing this story and not informing the public because it would mess up the fairy tales everyone was taught as a child.

However, when JFK tripped over the issues of this alliance, it was something he intended to go after as abuse of power of the White House. JFK was on one side and LBJ on the side of the Nixon-Bush clan. JFK never got to tell the story of the Bush Dyasty that sought to dominate the White House.

JFK did however begin to speak about man being connected to the sea and talk like an evoloutionist. The DMS and DMSO things were discovered in the early 60s, so he knew about that. Judyth Vary Baker, who was a part of their Freedom project against Castro worked on the DMSO and cell freezing things before she took up the cancer virus project against Castro.

This is why JFK spoke of man coming from the sea----as the sulfur cycle---the DMS is all about that. Plus, volcanic emissions of sulfur and how that associated to the Moses and the Mtn story. It was a natural effect of an oil field and a volcanic rift that made lots of DMS. JFK put together the Moses story, big oil, Bush Dynasty dealings, big religions backing, israel backing and had the Mil / Ind Network by the balls----and he was going to out the whole thing after the next election.

So, when I toss on the forum the idea of DMS and its religion associated factors, it gets rapidly back onto these times of JFK and the Bush Dynasty Mil/ Ind Network dominance of the US system. And the Pro-Israel, Pro-Zionism, Mossad and other factions that don't want this to become so public. Which gets down to why I believe this harrassment on talking about these DMS associations here.

I would think that if you were knowledgeable of these NWO efforts that are highly Mil / Ind Network and Bush dynasty and GOP -- pro-religion driven that you would immediately have made the connection.

Especially so, if your mind's eye was expanded by your illegal drug use in your life. So, if you need to take drugs to think properly---then you might want to begin soon. As this NWO problems you seem to want to counter is all around you.

IMHO,
JP

Jim Phelps

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Swampy,

I think you need to wise up considerably and realize when your being played and used by the NWO.

The DMS knowledge as it associates with chemtrails is very powerful and quite damaging to the NWO types.

IMHO,
JP

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Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:11 pm

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Originally posted by Jim Phelps
Swampy,

I think you need to wise up considerably and realize when your being played and used by the NWO.
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Yep, you got me. I'm Illuminatus Unscientificus..

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Insurrectionchemistry

07-14-2005, 01:29 PM

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Jim,

I am fully aware of Bush/Zionist connections and Operation Paperclip, circa 1947, when a host of events occured...CIA founded, National Intelligence, Dea Sea Scrolls, first LSD scientific paper published, Blue Book, transistor, communist witch hunts, most plane crashes in the history of aviation, etc.

Now, if your making some type of claim that "I don't think" because of what I did almost 40 years ago, you are incorrect. That's not very nice, considering I never took you to task for what I perceived as inconsistancies.

As far as a NWO puppet, perhaps you should look at yourself. If you are the inventor of HAARP, does not that right there tell me you are a NWO-er? ET and I are musicians and artists. The problem is simple. We are on the pulse of society and it's changes. Scientists are not. This is the way it always has been and will always be.

If you want to start a thread called "Peyote vs Alcohol", I'll be glad to participate.
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Jim Phelps

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Location: Knoxville, Tn. USA Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:34 pm

Swamp,

I was interested in develping this DMS issue and its associations to the chemtrail problems and the NWO connections.

I did not come here to discuss LSD use, Peyote or any of the other drug / alcohol things.

I think you might need to stick with the purpose of the CTC. Last I looked it was supposed to be about chemtrails, how they work, what keeps them so secretive, and those related discussions.

DMS falls into that venue, as that is what started it all for chemtrails. DMS is not a drug, as last I looked, but it is part of important processes for cooling the planet and aiding long term human health.

So, you might want to explain in real simple terms for me why I would want to get into caffeine, alcohol, LSD, and a dozen other distractions to open a forum discussion on the importance of DMS for the founding of chemtrails activities.

Then explain to me in real simple terms, why I would need to get into these same factors of caffeine, alcohol, LSD, and such to open up the DMS associations with religion.

Sorry, that seems like a very wrong approach for discussion of DMS.

It would appear Mr. Swamp, that you have come very far afield from the discussion of chemtrails and the DMS effects that stem from oceans and UV effects on plankton.

Remind me why you seem to be off on defending drugs in place of providing a nice place to discuss chemtrails.

This is a very simple sub-topic-----DMS and chemtrails. I don't think drug trips and two dozen other wild distractions should be a part of that discussion.

DO YOU, and explain why.

I see all this other stuff as just blatant attempts to drown out the DMS information and attack the messenger. Pure and simple. And you off on some soap box about drugs. When did CTC become the drug support workshop?

IMHO,
JP

Et in Arcadia ego

07-14-2005, 11:45 PM

I found it very dissapointing how Mr Phelps with his security clearance that is "over the top of ORNL & the DOE" neglected to use his direct line to the Pentagon & have me pulverised by a Space Laser. Instead, he submits professionally neurotic forum whining to other boards and reveals just how much seething power the Mighty Jim Phelps, descendant of King David of Bible fame, Father of the Chemtrails, HAARP, and the IBS-free potato chip really has.

None.

When someone politely asks him a valid question about his bonafides, and he tells them to "go feed your kid more fluoride and alluminum", it tends to make one question his seeming benevolence and instead appreciate the glimpse of latent malevolence his remarks afford.

He is incapable of answering my request for article submissions for peer review because none exist that are authored by him. Instead of admitting to the shameless hoaxster that he is, he instead elects to defecate more nonsense in other boards. He attempts to shift focus away from himself and onto me because while pondering the reason he links to the site of a person that claims to have discovered Noah's Ark I made a reference to an experiment with LSD that took place when I was a teenager more than 18 years ago.

There went my credibility..

That he arrogantly demands an apology from Swamp Gas be placed at the top of the CTC site for one year demonstrates quite admirably this person's dire need for recognition and acceptance from others, as well as an insipid megalomania. For whatever reasons, he has an imploded self image that has bloomed into an internet psychosis and nothing he says should be taken as valid without confirmation via thorough independant analysis.

NOTHING.

These forums are known to be monitored by various Government agencies. As this could at another time be an intimidating issue, in the case of Jim Phelps, had he actually done 1/1000th of the things he has claimed to do this rougue of the Shadow Government would have had his skin made into a lampshade for the security violations of discussing his alleged activities at ORNL.

Yet he is capable of speaking freely with the outside world on these most severe topics..

Jim Phelps assures you of the Illuminati's foul breath, yet he is unrestrained from his master's leash to tell the world about the little black men that were borrowed from South America to be genetically mutated into unwilling pilots in Area 51 flying saucers that got their technology from Mr. Phelps.

That's right. Area 51 owes it's technology to Mr Phelps in the form of 'Dark Star'. Did you not know that Phelps created the most powerful weapon in the world and his work for the DOE & the DOD are "more classified than the Hydrogen Bomb?" Oddly enough, thanks to Mr Phelps, the slimy underbelly of the Military-Industrial Complex lies naked here for all to see:

http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chemtrails_overview.html

To think that we are so fortunate to have this peerless Giant in our midst. He should be commended for risking his life to present us with this earth-shattering information.

Mr Phelps would have been roasted alive in the Cremation of Care at Bohemian Gorove by now had his outrageous assertions not served for the amusements they truly are. He is clearly permitted to indulge his first amendment rights even when the abuse of such has been clearly demonstrated.

After all, every Court needs a Jester.

How these agencies monitoring us little people must howl with laughter as you describe your Chemtrail epifamy during your barefoot sojourn across an active Volcano, Mr Phelps. Or maybe these people are honestly afraid for superstitious reasons to act against you because "in the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered to be once removed from God."

That could be it..

Jim Phelps would have you believe that I am Jay Reynolds. Jay, I hate to inform you at this late junction that you are really me, but I hope you are able to handle the adjustment. If not, just move over & I'll drive for a few miles while you get the hang of things. I never wanted you to find out this way, but you can thank Mr Phelps for that.

Jim Phelps in the same breath would also seek to alleviate my antagonism by exposing me for the insidious Illuminati Initiate that I really am, and show the entire world how an Evil centuries old tries to bar altruism in enlightening everyone about what Chemtrails and the Ark of the Covenant are really for. He would have you believe I am desperatley hoping to prevent you from learning through him that "Jesus Christ was really an enviornmentalist."

I'm a Tattoo Artist in Georgia, m'kay? The biggest claim to fame I have in my life was tattooing Marylyn Manson before he was signed by Trent Reznor, and that's really nothing to brag about, is it? Jim's issue with me is that I don't require a PHD to recognize when someone has a terminal infection of diahrea on the brain. Apparently, unlike many people online, I actually READ what someone says, and Mr Phelps has a mouthfull.

A person who makes extarordinary claims in the manner of Mr Phelps would have a HD LOADED with data to re-inforce his assertions. Instead, what you have is a website of copyrighted fiction by him that serves as a toxic dumping ground for psuedo-science & religious fanatacism clearly illustrating this person's complete departure from sanity.

That he was once a conscientious and admirable whistle-blower on the conditions of workers & residents in the Oak Ridge location I do not doubt.

But as far as who & what this person really is now?

I have my suspicions.. (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/newbie.jpg)

I'm thinking all that fluorine Mr Phelps was allegedly exposed to at ORNL has finaly caught up with him. But not to worry. Have a nice tall glass of that Snake Oil you've been trying to peddle online & you should be fine in a few days..

Shame on everyone for allowing this pestilence to grow uncheked in your midst.

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 12:07 AM

Anytime you boys in the band that think the musicians and artists and their LSD drug experienced minds can cure the worlds problems, then be sure to toss it out the solutions here for all to read. I would be all ears, but in the mean time I still don't like illegal drugs.

Then why is Jim Phelps, the Father of the Chemtrail, illegally drugging people of the world with his "Air Pharmacology"?

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_idiot.gif

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halva

07-15-2005, 01:49 AM

Perhaps someone else a little more 'in touch' with other people than Arianna Huffington will be able to take on the task of trying to integrate all the fraying threads at this forum whose point of departure was my original 'Mother Nature' posting.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 07:31 AM

Wow. Halva is the first to find this one. Greek awareness takes the prize. Geeze, Reynolds must be slipping. Where is the ole GOP best excuse for sem-intelligent life in cyberspace. Since Alfred E. Newman is busy with bicycle crash coordination with men in skirts at the G-8.. I guess Reynolds is out on his bicycle trying to link up too. You know how those bonesmen are about those things.

We have a new Reynolds wanna-be named "et" here, so how about connecting Reynolds up and seeing if anti-matter disintegrates. Best nickname for this one is Alfred "et" Newman, who has his conciousness expanded by drugs into a void somewhere. At least according to his little pal named Swamp Gas, who hears realll good things from pilots. (that has the twang of a doper phrase from a Cheech and Chong movie------hey man---these pilots got some good stuff.)

Interesting experiences on CTC of late, where it appears the moderators fear this NWO thing. Seems to be some sort of paranoia that sets in when they make up too far fetched crasy BS on chemtrails and the like.

Yet, they like to have little groupie aggrandizements of how artists and muscians minds are expanded by using drugs and how they are the leading edge of everything that happens. Guess they were not the leading edge on knowing the importance of dimethyl sulfide that comes from 2/3 of the planets surface and is the kindpin of the chemtrails problems.

I don't do drugs and I've not seen any artists of late that could hold a candle against Michaelangelo's vast insights into man's follies. Michaelangelo turned out art, most of these CTC's artitist sit on the butts and have crazy dreams of working all day and night.

In the case for CTC flying the musicians and artist title seems to be an excuse for why they don't work all day long and come up with crazy ideas about chemtrails are out to do in the planet. Even more crazy ideas on HAARP is going to disintegrate undesirables for the NWO.

I thought it would be good if those types met Reynolds.

CTC has turned into a loony bin, a bloody zoo, full of these fantasy land imaginations on the NWO police are gonna get us all. When the basic problems is they themselves elected crooks to office that like chemtrails as a way to help cover up the DMS offsets from the oceans driven by the rising UV problems.

CTC, nor et, make a very good showing for intelligent life on planet earth.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 07:51 AM

In a recent posting from CTC, one can see the musicians and artists pushing for those drugs to expand their minds. Swamp Gas and ET are peas in the same pod-----we want drugs man. We need them to treat our cancer patients and expand our fanticies of life.

A quote from Swamp Gas:

"But wait, Phelps is a Loop Artist. Constantly regurgitating the Dick Nixon line of "drug degenerates", while claiming to have invented chemtrails and HAARP. It's like the Bush Crime family...All Born Again Christians, arresting cancer patients, and people in wheel chairs for smoking pot. I bet Phelps enjoys that. Those sick degenerates. remeber Jim, there's 4 fingers pointing right back at you. "

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Note the very warped logic. Cancer patients don't need drugs that mask problems, be it pot or other things.

Cancer patients would not have cancer if they had proper environmental protection and knew about the problems of DMS dropping in the environment that sets up a lot of the health problems and even the extinction of species problems we are having in these times. Then again the AMA could not make big bucks in selling their own patent drugs.

Clear minds don't need drugs, pot or otherwise.

CTC is a bloody drug pushing joint, not a discussion of chemtrails mechanisms and what the big deal is with dimethyl sulfide.

The general CTCintelligence level is down there around a toke seeking Cheech and Chong pot head commedy. Societies degenerates rule at CTC. Drug like illusions of chemtrail concerns are their principle concerns these days.

IMHO,
is

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 09:27 AM

I see Swamp Gaser is running another pot head commercial for chemtrails:

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"But wait, Phelps is a Loop Artist. Constantly regurgitating the Dick Nixon line of "drug degenerates", while claiming to have invented chemtrails and HAARP. It's like the Bush Crime family...All Born Again Christians, arresting cancer patients, and people in wheel chairs for smoking pot. I bet Phelps enjoys that. Those sick degenerates. remeber Jim, there's 4 fingers pointing right back at you."

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Selling them drugs again, I see. I thought you guys were the artists. I am the environmentalist, you know the one with the brain that isn't running on drugs.

SmellybSwamp Gasser seems to have real problems with recalling that drugs were used to incapacitate the Chinese Army by the Sassoons. It got the UK the zone of Hong Kong from the Emperor to get the Sassoon drug pushers to leave the Chinese army alone. It left the Emperor defenseless, and it does similar to the US as the problem grows. So, yes, if you run around with your brain dead delusions that drugs are needed for your mind you will have me turned against that idea and all the NWO types. Hot water you can well expect for selling that kind of BS.

Nixon knew the Sassoon drug methods used on China and most persons of any sense know the US is vulnerable to the same problems. Hence, big legal walls against doing that same thing to America, America's children, and the disenfranchied in America.

Drugs in the US are a racist equation. In the US, drugs seem to affect most the disenfrancished. It as used by the crooks in power to highly denigrate the blacks in America. They feared that blacks would organize and become too powerful against the controls of them.

Pushin drugs and drugs use is racist. It supports degenate effects in society. Humans using drugs seem to get funny and laugh a lot, appears a common natural defence when the brain cells have too much oxidative damage. Brain dead reasoning by brain dead pot heads that have lasting damage effects is not valid logic in any science that I know.

Legalize drugs and everyone is going to be sitting around laughing like the Chinese army under the Sassoon attacks. It is a known degenerate effect. Seemingly a same sort of degenerate effect hit soddam and gomorah and even the Romal Empire. Drugs and toxins cause society to fail. This is what your pushing on the chemtrails CTC forum.

Anyone that knows anything about Nixon knows his biggest fault was one of trying to control things. Manipulating the Bay of Pigs things, letting that turn into a hit on JFK. Then getting caught sending in his heavy hitters like Hunt to burgle the DNC files of Watergate because he thought they had the goods on the BOPs real history that would cost him the election and toss his butt in jail. No one sends in the top CIA types like Hunt unless the steaks were high.

Sure the Nixon and Bush types and the religion folks are highly against drugs, because they want the control via this religion BS. They like the method of inserting Israel in place of Jesus in churches. They need the armies to be functional to make money and conquests. Very simple equations. Drugs screw up things even too much for them to pull the wool over society. Even most of the Mafia for the longest time would not get into drugs because they thought it too bad for the people.

As for the grail values of religion, Jesus was into the healing things, not drugging up ones mind with more toxic drug crap. Jesus also know this dominate effect of the sulfur cycle on human health and environment. Which is something the Nixon-Bush-NWO types don't want known.

I don't think you know the drug problems well because you have been doing them too much. Leaving you incapable of reasoning, recalling history well, or making sensible decisions. The two of you are sitting on your butts all day, doing mostly nothing, acting like the Chinese army did, and wanting more drugs to expland your minds into the great void.

Sorry but, America is too well known for sitting on its butt and laughing, rather than recognizing they are being manipulated with tons of false information, especially the religion stuff. We can't shut down the US army, however, we can recognize the crooks in power---toss them out---put them in jail. That fixes things---not more drugs to mask the symptoms of a toxic society.

I still don't like drugs or those that push them in any fashion. Especially when you use it as something to help cancer victums. There was this show on the tube last evening about a person they call John of God who heals people. One of the biggest factors in his miracles is all the people have to travel outside the US, where the pollition is less, the food is cleaner, and the diet doesn't have two dozen preervatives. Agriculture outside the US does not use fluoride on the crops, nor does it put aluminum in the food. Of coarse people get better and cancers stop, if you take away the slow poison. Pot smoking does not do that, it only masks the problem so they will die. Not a very good solution your pot head thinking suggests. John of God's healing touch is getting the people out of the US toxic society into a cleaner food chain.

John's little secret---clean food----Persons with agesssive cancers--didn't die.

He doesn't suggest drugs.

And you're a pot head. A degenerate influence on America.

IMHO,
is

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 10:43 AM

Yaak

07-15-2005, 11:23 AM

Shame on everyone for allowing this pestilence to grow uncheked in your midst. Jay Reynolds, Boomer Chick, Stuart Allsop, Whitemajikman, myself and many others on several message boards have been exposing Jim Phelps for over a year.

Bluntly, Jim is insane.

Ignore him, and he eventually goes away (more likely, taken away). I must admit, he has an excellent imagination is fun to play with.:D

Boomer Chick

07-15-2005, 11:39 AM

I propose Eye for an Eye.

I bring nothing substantial to the chemtrail discussion. I limit my contributions to 'anecdotal' evidence via activity I photograph locally, which is neither unique nor groundbreaking at this point as more photographic evidence is hardly neccessary.

Jim Phelps is dangerously promoting unsubstantiated allegations of activity at government facilities and encapsulating this with his own bizzare interpretations of the Bible. While loony-tune interpretations of the Bible are a dime a dozen, it becomes significant when Jesus and Chemtrails are used in the same breath.

Unless someone wants to step up to the plate & independantly verify that Jim Phelps is the entity he professes to be, I suggest his removal from this board. While I do not think that this person is 'Illuminati' or anything else like that, I DO believe he is completely depraved and is completely preying upon layman ignorance of science.

Thus I am more than content to offer Eye for an Eye.

Delete both our accounts & move on to more sane discussions. Excise the mental cancer this person brings to this forum. I refuse to yield to this person's assertions and have been in contact with Oak Ridge in the capacity of determining what & if any criminal boundries may have been crossed by Phelps in the copyrighted publications of his essays.

The Chemtrail situation is grounds for enough concern without the gasoline this person liberally applies to an already flammable issue with his hybrid religious/pseudo-science prattle..

Dear ET, fear not.

The infamous "insurrection chemistry" previously banned from this board due to boundary-crossing in the realm of personal flaming attacks, repeated the very same behavior he now brings back to our board........ whining about other boards and people. He whined about us when returning to CTC. After I complained about his misogynistic rhetoric and was instrumental in his temporary banning, he then whined over at CTC to deaf ears, though some gave him a platform and space. Regarding his wild, unsubstantiated theories, many here ( Jay, Stuart Alsop, Yaak, and myself) attempted to, with boatloads of patience and scientific refutation, illuminate him to his psuedo science and theories as totally off the wall. I tried to support him by finding basic chemical information which would coincide with his assertions, and simply came up far too short on the Phelp's end of the stick.

As far as his religious insights and connectons with the Jews, the volcanoes and various connected chemtrail theories, free speech generally reigned, and now and then a refutation was offered falling on Phelp's plugged ears. Boisterous claims of founding HAARP and other unsubstantiated connections never reached the Area 51 level here, but how interesting that our mad computer/virtual scientist claims another realm of covert shadow government connection.

I don't mind the insane, really, but when they get downright mean and judgmental, tapping those keyboards within their confinement, whether from their dayrooms at THE home or from their shabby apartments in the dark loneliness, good manners always pays off in their slim connections to the outer social world.

Heck, he could claim to have authored countless books with no titles or cataloque numbers, numerous inventions with no patent tracings, testimonies to Congress with no documentation, chemical expertise with no basic knowledge of high school chemistry, and physics knowledge with no degree or study...... and still we would allow him to express.

Remember that a hoaxer knows he's spreading false information and an insane person actually believes himself.

Like I said, I don't mind the insane as long as they confine themselves to their own theories relegated to any citizen --- a full expression. However, the mean, vindictiveness of any person whose frustration level from expectations denied and theories rejected must remain in the bounds of respectful discourse. Yes, it's hard to nobly accept rejection, but nonetheless, crossing the boundaries into personal judgment and condemnation of others rather than simply rejecting their theories is not acceptable.

So far, he's just whined and posted some pretty personal stuff and I might choose to report it to Lib and Mike. But for now, let's just see what happens.

The question he poses concerns CTC, not our board. Based in personal judgment, it condemns others for their experimentation as a way to express his own anger and frustration. Free speech reigns and if you guys, Swamp (whom I know) and you, want to discuss various topics over there, hey, you're free. It is obviously Phelps who fails to adapt properly.

Phelps is welcome back if he sticks to a science-based posting and refrains from personal attacks. Otherwise, he will be temporarily banned once again. So far, his return has not begun in a very scientific way, has it?

You don't have to stop posting here, Et. Just know that we know everything you know, OK? No surprise here! The rest is up to you. I love your writing and that pic was priceless! OMG! Welcome!

Say hello to Swamp for me!

BC ;)

Yaak

07-15-2005, 12:01 PM

Unless Jim begins attacking and berating you like he did before, Boomer, let's leave the moderators out of this.........please?:)

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 12:11 PM

"I checked out the [doewatch]Web site. Jim Phelps does not work at Oak Ridge
National Laboratory and we have no control over what he posts on that
site. -- Ron"

Ron Walli
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Communications and Community Outreach, media relations
P.O. Box 2008, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6266

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 12:16 PM

You don't have to stop posting here, Et. Just know that we know everything you know, OK? No surprise here! The rest is up to you. I love your writing and that pic was priceless! OMG! Welcome!

Say hello to Swamp for me!

BC ;)

My thanks, and I'll forward your salute to drug-addled Swampy..

:rolleyes:

cheers,
D

halva

07-15-2005, 12:55 PM

I didn't support Boomer Chick in her call for Phelps banning from this board.

But I acknowledge that after he went - his ban was only temporary, but he was for a long time too proud to come back - Reynolds soon got bored with not having Phelps to bait.

And even more bored with Boomer Chick and moderator Mike who liked him (Reynolds), admired him, and wanted him to provide them with informational postings for the sake of their education.

Now Phelps too seems to be trying to lure Reynolds back.

Face it, if J. Reynolds has weaned himself from places like this, that is not only to our advantage but to his advantage also.

The game that was being played here was a losers' game for both sides.

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 01:13 PM

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 04:52 PM

Hey Halva,

Since you turned up quickly----here is a data pass for your Greek analysist people.

The question here some time back was if global warming was man-made, or other.

What proves the man-made aspect is the UV----plankton----dimethylsulfide (DMS) pathway.

What happens is the ozone hole increased the UV falling on the oceans, which kills off the growth of plankton. This is part of a critical Earth System called the Sulfur Cycle.

The plankton pulls sulfur from the ocean water and when they die they release this volatile liquid that is not very soluble in water, which goes off into the atmosphere and seeds low level clouds. When things are working correctly, these plankton convert the CO-2 and maintain the global CO-2 levels. With increasing UV, the CO-2 conversion lessens and the releases of this DMS gets lower.

DMS is released from all the oceans in the world and concentrations in the atmosphere are a direct function of the UV levels.

So, pass this over to your Greek science types and clue them into the effect. I think they will like what they begin to notice. It determineds once and for all that global warming, climated change in man made. Because UV dominates the cloud levels over oceans via the DMS effect.

When you get deeply into the effect you folks should find that DMS concentrations are the most important factor in cloud shading the planet and cooling it.

Another thing that should should show up is the DMS supplies sulfur that is needed for things like frogs to keep their mucos membranes in good shape. When this compound falls in the water supplies the flogs immuities all fall, as the bacteria starts growing in the skin membrane.

This is the main problem for lots of things globally. Pass it around over there and see what your science types think.

I'll list some of the URL's that speak to some of the factors for the Sulfur Cycle to speed things along. But the university research libraries should have a gold mine of additional information.

Some literature calls the Earth Regulation system the Gaia system, which is where ole Judah got his special nickname here. It should tell you at what level he is clued in, once you notice the connections.

Press on.

IMHO,
IS

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:00 PM

Halve,

All of this one is a good read, but the important parts are 4 th paragraph and the factors for health influence for the extinction effects of species.

There is more on the URL-----so pull up the entire thing.

IMHO,
IS

http://www.msm-info.com/#WHAT%20CAN%20MSM%20DO%20FOR

The MSM Miracle

The official website of the

MSM - Medical Information Foundation

A non-profit organisation located in the Hague, Netherlands (webmaster@msm-info.nl)

CLICK HERE for a free PDF (printable) version of this MSM brochure

WHAT IS MSM?

MSM is an abbreviation of methylsulfonylmethane, an organic form of sulfur. The chemical formula of MSM® is CH3SO2CH3. It is the form in which sulfur appears in nature in all living organisms, and in which it is biologically active. MSM is an odorless, white, crystalline powder that is highly soluble in hot water and in a wide range of organic solvents (1). Biologically active sulfur has unbelievable preventive and therapeutic properties. The medicinal activities of biological sulfur are so all-encompassing, and are based on such obvious principles, that its discovery is generally considered one of the biggest advances in orthomolecular medicine in the second half of this century.

THE DISCOVERY OF MSM

About forty years ago, Dr. Stanley Jacob and Dr. Robert Herschler, chemists with the pulp and paper plant Crown Zellerbach Corporation, were asked to find a use for lignin, one of the primary waste products of the plant. Oxidation of lignin in a reactor was shown to result in the formation of DMSO (Dimethylsulfoxide), a natural, organic form of sulfur. This water soluble compound has a strong and bitter taste, and is absorbed rapidly through the skin. Workers coming in contact with the DMSO-containing wastewater, noticed their perspiration began smelling like DMSO, and they tasted its bitterness in their mouths. Moreover, the water appeared to have special medicinal qualities. Many stories about miraculous recoveries and benefits still go around, but they can not be authenticated. Certain is, however, that cuts, scrapes, burns and sprains recovered more quickly when dipped in this water. Several workers also noticed that conditions caused by arthritis and asthma improved when they came in contact with the DMSO-containing water (George Bergstrom, personal information).

Following its original discovery, several thousand articles and publications have appeared in the United States discussing the medicinal properties of DMSO. Because of its bitter taste and penetrating odor, DMSO never became very popular with the general public. Another problem with DMSO was that it sometimes caused skin irritation when applied topically. For these reasons researchers began looking for a more user-friendly derivative of DMSO. Oxidation of DMSO was found to produce MSM, a much more stable, organic sulfur compound with medicinal properties at least equal to DMSO, but without the odor and skin irritation complications (4, 8, 9).

NATURAL SOURCES OF MSM

MSM is the natural form in which sulfur is found in the earth's sulfur cycle (3). Algae and several forms of plankton in oceans are capable of absorbing massive amounts of inorganic sulfur from seawater, and to convert this into a simple, organically-bound form. When these algae and planktonic organisms die, enzymatic processes result in the breakdown of the organic molecules into DMS, or Dimethylsulfide. This compound is volatile and poorly soluble in water. It collects in the stratosphere, where it is oxidized under the influence of ultraviolet light into DMSO (Dimethylsulfoxide), and further converted into MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane). DMSO and MSM are highly soluble in water, and therefore concentrate easily in atmospheric water vapor, returning to earth in the form of rain. Plant roots rapidly collect and concentrate these sulfur sources. Laboratory research has shown, that a one ppm mixture of radioactive labeled DMSO and MSM, can concentrate hundred fold in plant roots within hours (4).

Rainwater in particular therefore contains a lot of MSM. It is also abundantly found in fresh fruit and vegetables in amounts generally ranging from 1 to 4 mg/kg (3). Raw milk from cows which graze in pastures contains 2 to 5 mg/kg MSM. Due to the volatile nature of MSM, it is rapidly lost due to heating during the preparation of food. It is also lost when vegetables and fruit are left for a period of time, heated or not. Pasturized milk therefore contains less than 0.25 mg/kg MSM, roughly the same amount as found in milk from cows fed dried, artificial food (3). Due to our present day's dietary patterns, it is unavoidable that modern man suffers from a chronic shortage of MSM.

MSM AND HUMAN HEALTH

The natural level of MSM in the circulatory system of an adult human male is about 0.2 mg/kg. Normal adults excrete 4 to 11 mg MSM per day in their urine. Several studies suggest, that the systemic concentration of MSM drops in mammals with increasing age, possibly as a result of changing diet or body metabolism. Some research suggests, that there is a minimum concentration of MSM that must be maintained in the body to preserve the normal function and structure (8, 9). Low concentrations of MSM in our bodies have been linked with unspecified complaints of fatigue, depression, high sensitivity to physical and psychological stress, and with a large number of degenerative diseases (5, 6). MSM is an important source of sulfur, but also has unique properties related to its chemical structure and biological activities. To understand the preventive and therapeutic properties of MSM, a distinction needs to be made between "why humans need sulfur" vs. "why humans need MSM".

WHY DOES THE HUMAN BODY NEED SULFUR?

Following calcium and phosphorus, sulfur is the third most abundant mineral in the body. A grown person contains approximately 140 grams of sulfur (6). Nearly half of all sulfur is contained in muscular tissue, skin and bones (5).

Protein Structure

When plants absorb MSM from rain water, they convert it into the sulfur containing amino acids methionine and cysteine. Taurine and cystine, the other two known sulfur amino acids, are synthesized from cysteine. The body manufactures about 80% of the amino acids it needs, and these are classified as nonessential. The remaining 20%, called essential amino acids, must be obtained from food. Methionine and cysteine are considered two of them. There are approximately 28 known amino acids. Each type of protein is made up of a unique collection of amino acids in a specific combination. Two molecules cysteine can oxidize and bond together through sulfur (-S-S-) bonds (5). These sulfur bonds are the key factors that hold proteins in shape, and determine the form properties and biological activity of proteins.

Connective Tissue

Nails and hair primary consist of a tough protein with a high sulfur content, called keratin. Flexible tissues like connective tissue and cartilage, contain proteins with flexible sulfur bonds. Collagen is the most abundant protein in the body, and a major component of all connective tissue. In skin, collagen works with fibers of another protein called elastin, to give skin its elasticity. In cartilage, the sulfur containing proteoglycans glucosamine and chondroitin form with collagen a fibrous protein substance that give cartilage its structure and flexibility (5, 6).

The importance of the connective tissue for the body goes beyond simply keeping cells together. The first biophysical regulatory model was developed by Prof. Dr. Pischinger which he termed the "Vegetative Building Structure." This theory was further developed by Prof. Dr. Heine who described proteoglycans and glycosamines, and by Dr. Popp, a biophysicist, who showed the importance of electromagnetic fields in bio-information. Their research has demonstrated that the soft, connective tissue, the extracellular matrix which surrounds cells, serves more purposes that structural and connective. It also is important in the transport of nutrients, electrolytes, signal compounds and atomic and subatomic particles. Thus, the soft connective tissue forms an essential communication network within the body through the transfer of fine matter bio-information (13 -16).

As many people notice later in life, the flexible tissues lose their elastic properties. A shortage of sulfur is the likely cause of this problem. The consequences are stiffening of muscles and joints, rippling of the skin, and decreased elasticity of lung tissues and arterial blood vessels. Without a doubt, the transfer of bio-information through soft connective tissue deceases also, and the occurrences of diseases at advanced age may well be caused by a decrease in communication between cells and body tissues.

Con't

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:03 PM

Cell Membrane Permeability

All cells (and all organelles within cells) are surrounded by membranes. A membrane consists of two layers of molecules situated opposite of one another and consisting of an essential fatty acid on one end, and a sulfur containing amino acid on the other end. The amino acids are interconnected in such a manner that they form a surface into which the proteins and other membrane constituents are inserted and secured. These proteins are necessary for the transport through the cell membrane of many types of nutrients and waste materials.

Sulfur bridges form flexible connections between the cells and the surrounding connective tissues. This allows the cells to retain their elasticity. When sulfur is in short supply, the cell wall hardens, and the cells lose their elasticity. The transport proteins of the membrane become locked, and the membranes become less permeable. This results in a reduced transport of oxygen and nutrients into, and excretion of waste products from the cells. This causes a shortage of oxygen and nutrients, and an accumulation of toxic metabolic waste products inside the cells. Reduced vitality and eventually degenerative diseases are the result.

Recent insight in free radical pathology has shown that the thiol (-SH) groups of sulfur containing amino acids can protect cell membrane protein chains from oxidation. But that is not all. Studies by Dr. Johanna Budwig have demonstrated that sulfur containing amino acids in cell membranes resonate with the double connections of the fatty acids, resulting in the release of electrons. Electron clouds are formed, which can move along the fatty acid chains. In this manner, electrical currents evolve which form the basis of all electrical energy in the body. This energy can be measured in heartbeat, nerve stimulations, muscle contractions, in short, in all chemical and electrical reactions which make life possible.

Metabolism

Enzymes are proteins which control all-important life functions. For example, they regulated all metabolic processes in our bodies. Sulfur bridges are responsible for the spatial structure of enzymes. Without sulfur bridges, enzymes would lack biological activity due to deviations in their spatial structure. Shortages in sulfur cause reduced production of biologically active enzymes, which result in a reduction of many metabolic processes. Sulfur is important for the cellular energy production in which glucose is metabolized under the release of energy.

Most important, sulfur plays a role in the electron transport system, as part of iron/sulfur proteins in mitochondria, the energy factories of the cell. Furthermore, sulfur participates in the vitamin-B Thiamine (B1) en Biotin. These vitamins are essential for converting carbohydrates into energy, by burning glucose. Insulin is a hormone excreted by the pancreas which mainly functions to regulate the blood sugar level. Insulin therefore plays an important role in the carbohydrate metabolism. Each insulin molecule consists of two amino acid chains, connected to one another by sulfur bridges (Figure 4). These sulfur bridges are very important for the proper functioning of insulin. Without these bridges, the hormone loses its biological activity.

WHY DOES THE HUMAN BODY NEED MSM?

Preferred Dietary Source of Sulfur

It is generally believed that in humans, the sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cysteine are the most important sources of sulfur. However, since the discovery of the earth's sulfur cycle, this theory is increasingly brought into question (3). Several hundred million years ago, algae in the oceans started producing simple organic sulfur compounds, which led to the formation of MSM. This biologically active sulfur was probably the most important source of sulfur for all subsequently developing life forms. This gives food for thought that the higher forms of life most likely are genetically preprogrammed to use MSM as source of sulfur. This theory is further enhanced by the discovery that MSM can be ingested by all organisms investigated so far in almost unlimited quantities without causing any toxic effects. The same cannot be said about the sulfur containing amino acids methionine en cysteine, which can be consumed in small quantities, but at larger doses cause undesired toxic symptoms (3).
Experiments using MSM containing radiolabeled sulfur (35S) have shown, that following ingestion, MSM releases its sulfur to form collagen and keratin, basic ingredients of hair and nails, as well as the essential amino acids methionine and cysteine, and serum proteins (8, 11). It appears abundantly clear that the importance of MSM as source of sulfur has been grossly underestimated. The reason for this underestimation is most easily explained by the way food is processed in our western society, which causes the loss of the majority of the naturally present MSM. It is therefore for good reason that MSM is referred to as "The Forgotten Nutrient" (6).

Protection of the Mucosa

Additional experiments with MSM containing radiolabeled sulfur demonstrated that after ingestion, MSM is bound to the mucosa. Apparently, MSM is binding to receptor sites at the mucous membrane surface in the intestinal and urogenital tracts and the respiratory system. By doing so, it presents a blocking interface between host and environment (4). There are many health-benefitting implications to such natural interactions. Allergens and parasites cannot bind to the mucosa, toxins are oxidized and free radicals are eliminated.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:07 PM

Halva,

Long winded site on the Gaia effect.

Most important part to take note------

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=500000674&messageID=600090205

Once dead, the living organisms' shells fall to the bottom of the oceans where they generate deposits of chalk and limestone. In short, a rock was weathered, the resulting carbon dioxide processed by a living organism, and returned to a rock through sedimentation process. Part of the organisms with carboneous shells are the coccolithophores (algae), which also happen to participate in the formation of clouds. When they die, they release a sulfurous gas (DMS), (CH3)2S, which act as particles on which water vapor condenses to make clouds.

>>

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:09 PM

http://www.iitap.iastate.edu/gccourse/chem/nitro/scycle.html

Sulfur Cycle

The sulfur cycle (figure 10) can be divided into a cycle over water and a cycle over land. In comparison with the nitrogen cycle, we notice immediately is that the sulfur cycle has no connection to the stratosphere, since there are no long-lived species of sulfur. Sulfur is a problem, of course in the troposphere, as an air pollutant, which we will come back to in a future summary information.
Figure 11 shows a simulation of sulfate (SO4) concentrations the lower atmosphere (at a level of 900 hectopascals, which is about a kilometer above the earth's surface) over the earth. The numbers plotted are dimensionless ratios of total concentration of anthropogenic plus natural sulfate divided by the concentration based on natural emissions. Highly populated and industrial areas of the eastern part of the U.S. and eastern Europe have highest concentrations. Concentrations over Asia are increasing, particularly in the industrial area of southeast China. Of course, as the Chinese industrialization rapidly increases, this problem is likely to increase.

A recent finding, and one that has put environmentalists in a perplexing dilemma, is that there also is a secondary effect of sulfur dioxide in the earth's atmosphere. Although it is not a greenhouse gas, it does contribute to the radiation balance of the earth. In the presence of clouds, atmospheric SO2 becomes dissolved in the water droplets and forms weak sulfuric acid, H2SO4. Such clouds observed from space appear brighter than natural clouds, suggesting that these clouds are reflecting more solar radiation than natural clouds. This process is called cloud brightening and reduces the amount of solar energy entering the earth/atmosphere/ocean system, thereby contributing to a cooling of the planet . The net result of burning fossil fuels containing sulfur (mainly coal) is that the emitted CO2 leads to global warming and the SO2 leads to global cooling. Environmentalists have fought for years to have SO2 emissions reduced, but one result of these efforts seems to be that global warming will be exacerbated. The relative amounts of warming and cooling will be discussed in Unit 1-12.

Another possible linkage of sulfur to global change is the role of dimethylsulfide (DMS) in formation of clouds over ocean areas. DMS is produced naturally in ocean areas by biological activity. Studies have shown that DMS can promote the production of cloud condensation nuclei, which are favored particles for cloud droplet growth. Therefore, an abundance of marine plant life can produce sufficient amounts of DMS to enhance local cloud formation and possibly increased precipitation. This constitutes a direct link between the biosphere and local meteorology. It also opens the possibility that there might be a link between changes in the stratospheric ozone and local meteorology in that, for instance, increased ultraviolet levels over the ocean could suppress ocean biology, which in turn would reduce the emission of DMS, which could reduce cloudiness and precipitation in ocean areas. We don't know enough about the magnitude of this effect to evaluate its importance in relation to other global change processes.

Several other questions relating to the sulfur cycle and its component fluxes and resevoirs indicate that much research remains to be done on this trace gas.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:10 PM

http://www.dl.ac.uk/SRS/PX/bsl/scycle.html

DMSO Reductase in the Sulfur Cycle

Dimethylsulfide (DMS) is excreted by algae who use its precursor, dimethyl propionate, for osmoregulation. DMS is highly volatile so, in highly productive oceanic regions, the smell of DMS is readily detected. The distinctive smell of the seashore is due in large proportion to DMS, and some seabirds detect the DMS and use it as an indication of activity in the ocean below. (Related article)
Photo-oxidation of DMS in the atmosphere produces dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) which has low volatility and is highly hygroscopic; consequently it is scavenged from the atmosphere by rain and returned to the Earth.

Other, acidic, compounds such as methylsulfonate (MSA), formed upon oxidation of atmospheric DMS, serve as nucleation points for cloud formation and it has been suggested that the sulfur cycle in this way acts as a biological feedback system to modulate the temperature on earth by controlling cloud albedo.

DMSO is reduced to DMS by the enzyme DMSO reductase, found in bacteria.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 05:14 PM

Halva,

That is all for now. Do copy these down on disk or hard copy and pass them around to your science folks.

You will find it is the meat you have been looking for on climate change being human induced.

I do not think this the sort of thing you need to take on or sit down at the coffee house in the moning to let sink in, as I think we've covered your science powers already.

Take it to the science guys.

Boomer Chick

07-15-2005, 08:30 PM

By the way, Boomer Chick, and I mean no disrespect by posting this, but for the sake of open dialogue & as Mr Phelps is so adept at underhanded cross-forum technique which is very unbecoming of the creator of the Death Star, I felt compelled to communicate the following post from Jim Rasputin at CTC:

Good science! Bravo!

Again, my apologies, BC, and no, this wasn't posted directly at your forum here, but I think it's good to know the thoughts of others, don't you?

Illuminating, even?

:mrgreen:

8-) OMG! It's quite entertaining and hilarious and I've read worse epithets and lies when Rasputin himself posted to me and about me on this forum! Halva could never understand why I wouldn't put up with typically female-oriented put-downs when the topic was not me, was not my life, was not my house and how I clean it, not my Eng. and Music degrees verses science degrees, not whether women's brains function differently than men's, and whether I was truly and actually stupid. Halva lives in Greece and apparently has not heard of equal rights and respect for women. I suspect he was also jealous that my petitions for action from the moderators were heeded. And his attempt at moderating here proved to everyone that he could not contain his bias toward Jay no matter what. So, naturally, he as well as Nasputy suffer in some way regarding power issues in their lives and I wish them healing, of course. Lord knows we all have issues to process, just not the same ones expressed in the same ways.

So is this it on the "gossip" train here, Et?

I went through the cosmic mind shift and consequent neural overload in the recombinant DNA of my corpeus luteum over the Nusputy myself !!! I FEEEEEL your PANE !!!! It's as clear as glass !
Now can we string these Christmas Tree lights up and plug 'em in?

Yaak, if you reread what I wrote, you wouldn't have posted your last post to me! ;)

PEACE, ya'll! I's outta here on this thread! :D

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 09:39 PM

Where is ole Reynolds anyway.

I have a little mission for him to work on that is right up his alley. One of those Homeland security missions, FAA, FBI things he likes so well.

Plus---need to see what he does with the DMS factor.

Paging Reynolds

Insurrectionchemistry

07-15-2005, 09:57 PM

Halva,

You need to stop speaking for me, or we are going to have words again. I left here because I got sick of the low level of intelligence experience from you and several others. I have a very long memory, and you should also. I doubt anything has changed since.

There were better things to do than hang here. I told you straight up it was a waste of time here. Your readings of me typically are pure fiction on your part. You can only speak for yourself and I will do my own speaking.

I am only around to pass this DMS stuff your way and dig up Reynolds from his current hole out there.

The DMS stuff should give you more than enough to crack the man-made GW stuff wide open in Europe. And the major species extinction factor, which is no real mystery.
Just make sure to follow: Ozone Hole Depleters---->Higher UV----->Damaged Plankton---->Higher CO-2----->Lower DMS------>Less cloud cover------>Higher GW

halva

07-15-2005, 10:12 PM

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 10:13 PM

So is this it on the "gossip" train here, Et?

Yes, mam.

It's been some hours now since Obi Jim Rasputin shoved his foot down his own throat, so some of the fallout's come back to Earth, unless you would like to count the intimidation he visitied upon Big Joe who contradicted Rasputin's claims that we have bountiful rainfall due to his benevolent army of Air Pharmacology pilots genetically engineered from the cells of South American pygamies at Area 51..Big joe is one of the more decent and benevolent identies I've come across in the CT forums. he could not help but notify Big Joe that he "knew who he was" and would be watching him to "make sure he stays humble & honest"..

. :rolleyes:

I get this ugly picture of a sweaty, naked fat man in a basement desperately trying to hack his way into other people's web cams for some reason..

:p

Here's hoping that the next Lunar Cycle will carry Mr Phelps to another forum community where he will instead of claiming to be a Chemtrail Pimp he will attempt to secure investors for his new Invisible Penis Gun..

ciao,
D

ps: it's a very agitating experience to find myself thrust into a new community in the manner that has taken place in the last 36 hours. I hope you will all forgive me for my caustic reactions to our beloved Heretic, but I need to stress that I am a perfect gentleman when not in the presence of a absolute Charlatan.

I think I'll be contacting Bernard Eastlund next week to ask him why he arrogantly claims the rights to U.S. Patent # 4,686,605 when it very clearly belongs to our beloved Obi Jim Rasputin..

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 10:16 PM

Boomer Chick is right in her characterization of your attitude. Retrospectively I support her initiative to have you booted off this forum, and will support any future initiative to do so also.

However, I think it would be a waste of time trying to get any moderating done here now, since the situation seems even more 'anything goes' now than it was six months ago.

Sir, if the anarchy of this situation finds you beside yourself, you have none other than Mr Phelps to thank. I cannot at this juncture find myself in good conscience doing anything less than everything I can to neutralize the poison he attempts to inject in these communities. If the employment of redicule and sarcasm serves as an effective means then so be it.

My ablity to render humor with the poker face of Obi Jim is clearly sub par in the face of His Greatness, praise be to Obi..

:rolleyes:

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 10:32 PM

Hot off the press:

I think that we've had just about enough of this.

We are going to have let Phelps go, and it's unfortunate that it came to this.

Darn..just when it was getting interesting..

:mrgreen:

Cya in the funny papers, Obi Jim..Can't say it's been a pleasure, but I'm sure you know being a Messiah's an really underappreciated occupation..

To everyone on this board, I apologize for the aggressive intrusion, I'll be on my way now. Maybe I'll be back at some point to join you in civilized and sane discussions.

peace,
D

halva

07-15-2005, 10:43 PM

Congratulations for achieving your objective at CTC.

So what do we do now HERE??

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 10:56 PM

Congratulations for achieving your objective at CTC.

So what do we do now HERE??

Do what thou wilt, Sir, but by all means the application of common sense & good reason should not be ignored.

All that I have witnessed by Mr Phelps in relation to forum behaviors indicate an obsession with the social pecking order that one sees in these online communities. The data takes second place for Mr Phelps. That Mr Phelps online presence is first catagorized by the collected essays archived on gargoylemechanics suggests we are now seeing a refinement of a fictional personality that Mr Phelps dangerously adheres to despite all reasonable indications that his bluff has been called.

His place is on a psychologist's couch, not an online forum.

At this point I would indicate that indulging this person's fantasy has a very negative effect on the original personality that has been at this point completely repressed in the internet realm. How much of Jim Phelps, Son of David bleeds into his waking reality away from a keyboard I cannot say, but he viciously defends his psychosis with every trick at his considerable disposal.

If this individual were able to elinimate the schizm within himself I dare say that he could be a stoic contributer to unraveling the gordian knot of persistent contrails, but in his current state of being, one can only conclude that he is more part of the problem than part of the solution.

Best wishes for Mr Phelps & everyone else.

:-?

Et in Arcadia ego

07-15-2005, 11:44 PM

I don't do drugs and I've not seen any artists of late that could hold a candle against Michaelangelo's vast insights into man's follies. Michaelangelo turned out art, most of these CTC's artitist sit on the butts and have crazy dreams of working all day and night.

By the way..

Bernini, Rubens, and Poussin blew that shmuck out of the water..Get a clue, Jack-ass..

:rolleyes:

http://www.ti-amo.at/kunst/bernini-sankt-sebastian.jpg

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 06:02 AM

I do see your open and public death threat in this figure---that obviously displays arrows to kill the person, who lies dead in the figure. That figure lies on what appears to be a cross, which is a religion hate crime directed display. That your religious hate wants said same for myself. Plus, I also have seen extreme militancy directed by you and Swamp from Hudson, which places commercal air traffic at higher risks due to terrorism and other factors, which prompted this pictorially connected death threat above.

Such things are considered criminal acts. Hate Crimes with religious involvement. Extremely serious matters.

Which means you just threatened to kill persons like me that expose DMS factors and the false claims in chemtrails activities. And your placing commercial air traffic at risk by actively suppressing information on CTC as well as here.

It appears to be in line with acts of terrorism, which bring in the FBI, Homeland Security, and the FAA, since many of the CTC crowd insists on making claims that do set up persistent and increasing risk to commercial air traffic. In these times of terror attacks on varied carriers, it behoves everyone to conduct themselves with the best of civic responsiblity. In place of this comes irresponsible CTC, this militancy toward chemtrails and planes, which comes to look like it could well involve terrorism in the case of these implied death threats being displayed here.

Passed to CTC:

Well, you are perhaps all that and looking more and more like a terrorist from here.

I am trying to very nicely introduce all of you to the main problem. Moderators directly. This is being done to politely help you all along and keep you out of trouble.

So, since you all can't seem to take hints. Lets do the direct method.

Here is the issue in black and white. These airplane claims are becoming hotter and hotter issues. It means the burden of accuracy on the activists that do safe chemtrails activism is becoming greater. Your responsibilty to be accurate and to think of risk to airplanes and their passengers due to your claims have to be considered. Especially claims that are false, misleading of the public, inciting some to action over false claims, and that sort of thing.

I have taken the time to introduce all this boards moderators to this DMS problem and provide the details on what is driving the global warming and the chemtrails activities. This is the DMS information. A great number of you are resisting that information that is only given to help you and others.

There is no slight of hand in the information and no trick.

DMS is the principle GW factor. Emphasis needs to go toward GW being the UV man made problems and droughts only slighlty the planes. Chemtrails make it rain. Which is a true statement.

It is needed to cut the risk of attacks on airplanes due to these false claims on commercial plane' s chemtrails causing droughts and all these other wild things. For instance, If someone goes overboard and does something to an airplane and that person said he attacked the airplane because of misleading information he gained on chemtrails central, or from Big Joe, or whoever. You have a role in that person's actions by inciting him into some action.

Nobody wants a airplane safety affected over some of these false claims. Chemtrails have good and bad features, but the bad from commercial planes is low.

Now I can tell you some of this stuff on this board is wrong and makes claims of planes that are not proper. The modertors need to get themselves informed and on top of what is real and what is bogus and can lead to harmful outcomes.

One item of interest is this chemtrails causes droughts. If some down and out farmer in New York takes out his aggressions on an airplane and he says he learned it from one of you. The FBI is going to come take you away, your computers, your web pages, and its all your going to be able to do to not be charged with terrorism these days.

So, to protect myself from some of this crazy stuff going on here I am going to have to draft a letter to the FBI boys naming this board as being told of the DMS issues and the boards resistance against addressing helping fix the problem. Specific persons of interest and this board will be the subject.

Now, if you seem to want to help dialog and address this risk and start telling more of the simple truths on these factors, I won't send it on Monday. Otherwise, I will advise the FBI of the problems here and the extreme levels of militancy toward chemtrails causing droughts and other false claims that can easily lead to a problem in the public's mind.

It is one of those matters that is everyones civic responsibility to protect others and be as accurate as possible in your chemtrails claims on airplanes. Jay Reynolds has been after some of this or a year now, and if something happens to a plane that is traced to chemtrails activism, the FBI is going to get a 1000 plus letters telling to put those that run this board in jail.

Unfortunately, since I have made you all aware of the DMS data---this means that you have been duly informed of the better data and the common sense on climate change and chemtrails effects. Then, I will also have to lay may own letter on top of those other 1000's by Reynolds and others telling of the problems encountered here in the last few days.

IF (and I hope not) something chemtrail inspired happens to a plane, it will more than likely convert many of you into terrorism class persons of interest, it will cost some of you lots of money, and some might well go to jail.

I want to see chemtrails activism continue to expose the cover ups and everyone remain safe. That means the chemtrail activists and the persons that ride the planes and the people on the ground under them. That means these will become homeland security issues and matters for the FBI soon, as potential threats to airplanes.

Show me sensible responses like you want to work in some fashion to get the information more inline with truth and take any false claims off the aircraft.

It is important to each of you to be accurate on the statement of these chemtrail risks.

Wake up and change it, before you get an official looking letter you didn't want. Clean it up folks----read this stuff for content and get the crap off there. If don't have moderators that can get the job done, find ones that can.

This is why I wanted all this stuff made public from the beginning, so there is less of this crazy stuff happening.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 06:05 AM

So, where is Reynolds these days, anyone seen him? Playing in the garden, or is he making a new water system.

Same old Halva I see, first kissing up, then flaring up. Sounds like the Greeks are back to last place.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 06:12 AM

Swamp Gas

Site Admin

Joined: 06 Jun 2001
Posts: 3346
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We will have a meeting on this. I don't see any reason to have Jim Phelps remain.

Unless...................How about a public apology to BigJoe, Me, Et in arcadia Ego, and everyone else at CTC, for threats, slander, false accusations, and phony credentials?
_________________
Heard it from a pilot who spoke real gooooood!

Jim Phelps

Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Posts: 165
Location: Knoxville, Tn. USA Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:23 pm

Just not gonna happen.

I have not gone out of my way to look you people up, all I did is stop in and list some data on the DMS effects. Which seems to have set off some kind of hate fest. There is this outright outrage over this DMS being discussed.

The answer on HAARP depends on your ability to learn the DMS and HF injection effects. If you can take those steps, then the other comes.

Else, it is not possible for you to comprehind.

Like I said, you all are much too dense and I think I am in the wrong place.
You all simply can't do science or even get this DMS effect. Absolutely dumb. Too Dumb, in fact. As It looks intentional attempts to conceal this factor.

Like I said --Do it. I don't care. I want a clear line drawn.

It is not my thing to be associated with crack-pots and people that clearly intend to cause dangerous problems to airplanes.

I do report these kinds of problems to all the Federal Agencies that need to know, as well as issues that pertain to drug abuses and using a chemtrails forum to promote drugs.

IMHO,
JP

Et in Arcadia ego

07-16-2005, 08:20 AM

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 08:28 AM

He is writing his letter to the FAA, Homeland Security, and the FBI to take up the subject of increased threats to commercial aircraft promoted by CTC and other sites.

Intelligent people act responsibly.

Et in Arcadia ego

07-16-2005, 08:35 AM

So now we're all terrorists, is that it?

No to my knowledge in these forums, including myself, have violated the United States Constitution in discussing a percieved activity relating to persistent contrails. No one has, including myself, suggested anything remotely resembling a 'military' act towards airplanes in any manner whatsoever aside from the occasional yo-yo that thinks he can make persistent contrails dissapear with thought alone..

Is that person a terrorist as well?

:p

Really, Mr Phelps, 'twould be great for you if you scooped up what was left of your sanity before the rest of it dribbles away any further.

:rolleyes:

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 08:38 AM

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=8810770

Brazilian doctors uncover 'Michelangelo code'
Jun 16, 2005

By Carlos A. DeJuana

SAO PAULO, Brazil (Reuters) - Two Brazilian doctors and amateur art lovers
believe they have uncovered a secret lesson on human anatomy hidden by
Renaissance artist Michelangelo in the Sistine Chapel's ceiling.

Completed nearly 500 years ago, the brightly colored frescoes painted on the
Vatican's famous sanctuary are considered some of the world's greatest works
of art. They depict Biblical scenes such as the "Creation of Adam" in which God
reaches out to touch Adam's finger.

But Gilson Barreto and Marcelo de Oliveira believe Michelangelo also
scattered his detailed knowledge of internal anatomy across 34 of the ceiling's 38
panels. The way they see it, a tree trunk is not just a tree trunk, but also a
bronchial tube. And a green bag in one scene is really a human heart.

The key to finding the numerous organs, bones and other human insides is to
first crack a "code" they believe was left behind by the Florentine artist.
Essentially, it is a set of sometimes subtle, sometimes overt clues, like the way
a figure is pointing.

"Why wasn't this ever seen before? First, because very few people have the
sufficient anatomical knowledge to see these pieces like this. I do because
that's my profession," said Barreto, who is a surgeon in the Brazilian city of
Campinas.

PAST DISCOVERIES

Barreto and his friend Oliveira are not the first physicians to see
depictions of human organs in the Sistine Chapel, the Vatican church where popes are
elected.

Fifteen years ago, U.S. doctor Frank Meshberger pointed out the figure of God
and his surrounding angels in the "Creation of Adam" panel resembled a
cross-section of the human brain.

He believes Michelangelo was equating God's gift of a soul for Adam with the
divine gift of intelligence for mankind.

Packing up his desk as he prepared to move houses, Barreto came across
Meshberger's theory.

"I said to myself, 'If there's a brain, he surely didn't just paint a brain.
There have to be others,"' Barreto said.

Thumbing through books and pictures of the chapel all night, Barreto said he
found five or six other anatomical depictions. He presented his findings to
Oliveira the next day and the two probed further for three months.
The project culminated with their book "The Secret Art of Michelangelo,"
which was published in Brazil last year and has so far sold 50,000 copies, a very
high number for Brazil. It is being negotiated for U.S., Spanish and
Portuguese publication.

As part of their research, they discovered another U.S. doctor, Garabed
Eknoyan, had found the figure of a kidney in the panel entitled "Separation of the
Earth from the Waters."

CRACKING THE CODE

Eventually Barreto and Oliveira came to believe Michelangelo had left behind
coded messages in each panel to help viewers find the hidden body part.

Some clues are thematic, such as "Creation of Adam" or "Creation of Eve," in
which a tree trunk looks like a bronchial tube and God's purple robe is a
representation of a lung when viewed from the side. One could say God is imparting
the "breath of life" into Eve in the scene, Barreto said.

Another part of the code is to look at what figures surrounding the main
character of each panel are doing.

In the "Cumaean Sibyl" scene, two cherubic figures embrace behind a bulky,
muscular woman representing a mythological oracle. One cherub has his hands on
the other's chest. Meanwhile, four other cherub-like figures underneath a
painted pillar raise their arms to reveal their chest.

According to Barreto and Oliveira, a bag with a red frilly border and white
rolled up scrolls inside hanging beside the Sibyl is a depiction of a heart,
the diaphragm and the aorta.

Sometimes Michelangelo "points" to the hidden body part.

In the "Libyan Sibyl," a cherub pointing to his shoulder stands next to a
twisting woman, her shoulder blade in the spotlight. Two other cherubs beneath
the pillars point to their shoulders too.

If looked at upside down, the fold of the Sibyl's dress and the bottom of her
trunk look like a rendition of the arm bone, or humerus, and the socket into
which it fits on the shoulder.

We've said it's actually a very infantile language, because it's all about
looks, light, pointing," Barreto said.

When faced with the paintings and photographs of the anatomical body part
side-by-side, Barreto and Oliveira's theory is conceivable, although some matches
require a little bit of creativity. Some might say too much.

"The problem, and art historians too are certainly often guilty of this, is
simply that we often see what we want to see," said Dennis Geronimus, a
specialist on Renaissance art at New York University who had a chance to examine some
of Barreto and Oliveira's "de-coded" matches.

Their proposals, he said, "stretch the visual evidence far beyond
Michelangelo's own specific vocabulary of poses, gestures and symbolic relationships."

Indeed, why would Michelangelo hide drawings of human organs in the Sistine
Chapel?

Barreto and Oliveira say they aren't sure, but it is well known that
Michelangelo and other Renaissance artists were obsessed with human anatomy and the
human body. There are also other examples of artists "hiding" objects in their
paintings, images that can only be seen from a certain perspective.

Still, the two doctors have sent their book to art historians and anatomical
specialists in Portugal to get their opinion, and plan to eventually get the
Vatican's opinion too.

"We're not here to play around. We believe this is a great discovery for the
arts," Barreto said. "The only thing we want to do is spread this knowledge."

Et in Arcadia ego

07-16-2005, 09:02 AM

The post above is a open death threat to me that only I can see.

I'm calling my mommy.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 09:16 AM

People of arrested development often have arresting experiences.

Especially when they promote concepts that promote false claims on aircraft.

Et in Arcadia ego

07-16-2005, 09:28 AM

PEspecially when they promote concepts that promote false claims on aircraft.

Like your doo-doo 'Air Pharmacology'?

I completely agree.

:)

Boomer Chick

07-16-2005, 10:03 AM

Yes, mam.

It's been some hours now since Obi Jim Rasputin shoved his foot down his own throat, so some of the fallout's come back to Earth, unless you would like to count the intimidation he visitied upon Big Joe who contradicted Rasputin's claims that we have bountiful rainfall due to his benevolent army of Air Pharmacology pilots genetically engineered from the cells of South American pygamies at Area 51..Big joe is one of the more decent and benevolent identies I've come across in the CT forums. he could not help but notify Big Joe that he "knew who he was" and would be watching him to "make sure he stays humble & honest"..

. :rolleyes:

I get this ugly picture of a sweaty, naked fat man in a basement desperately trying to hack his way into other people's web cams for some reason..

:p

Here's hoping that the next Lunar Cycle will carry Mr Phelps to another forum community where he will instead of claiming to be a Chemtrail Pimp he will attempt to secure investors for his new Invisible Penis Gun..

ciao,
D

ps: it's a very agitating experience to find myself thrust into a new community in the manner that has taken place in the last 36 hours. I hope you will all forgive me for my caustic reactions to our beloved Heretic, but I need to stress that I am a perfect gentleman when not in the presence of a absolute Charlatan.

I think I'll be contacting Bernard Eastlund next week to ask him why he arrogantly claims the rights to U.S. Patent # 4,686,605 when it very clearly belongs to our beloved Obi Jim Rasputin..

;) Say hi! to Bernie E for me! Aaah yes, the Tesla mind bends, the ionic stimulaters working their lidar magic; the various science pimps and whores waste their time on weaponry and control while the world heats up and technologies lie languishing for development which could have improved lives and sustained lives. Water and energy, not bouncing energy rays and attempting to cloud the earth with fuels' wastes, will take precedence by necessity. Unless the HAARP and related technologies can and will direct and influence the weather to help agriculture, than all the scientific efforts, funding, and brain power funneled into the weaponry industry was wasted. I spit in disgust at the short-sighted ass heads fearing their own kind instead of working toward creating a sustainable future for everyone.

It's simple: Feed the poor, give them tools and technology and clean water, teach birth control, share, promote fair laws, fund science that helps the world not kills it .

I'm sick and tired of it all, Et. Would you tell Bernie he needs to get on the alternative energy stick and quit fooling with tornados?

THE WAR CREATORS MUST FAIL OR WE WILL NOT SURVIVE

I cannot accept the world duality theory that while the good progresses the evil must also. BULLSHIT! We have the power as human beings to create the future of the world and reign in the forces of destruction and transmute them into forces of creation and quality of life for all the world's people. But as you know, the covert ops, the laundering money channels, the cabals, the oil oligarchies, the trilaterals, and other shadow and overt forces seek to destroy and control rather than create and empower and it simply does not have to be this way. The more I know the more I realize this battle comes down to a symbolic evil verses good. How did it evolve to this point?

When I was swimming in my backyard pool in the 60's enjoying the sun and peace, did I know? When I was skiing down the slopes in Tahoe, did I know? When I worked toward my career goals and carried my two babies, did I know? Did I know there were ETs? Yes we hid under our desks in the 50's in practice for protecting ourselves from nuclear disaster, but did we know anything? Yes, we studied about Hitler and Gandhi, but did we know? Had we continued on from Carter and developed alternative energies nationwide and began international commerce and trade in those technologies over the last 30 years our nation and world would have been safe from neocon/oil-lust takeover, terrorist threats, and various other world's power's destruction. Had nuclear anti-proliferation moved forward, we could have been rid of this danger. Why couldn't we have led for peace? Why didn't anyone listen to the scientists warning about peak oil back in the 70's? We know the answers but we don't like them. I'm pissed, Et, and not at crazy well-meaning nuts, I'm pissed at the greed, the fear, and the power-hungry elitists that run this world and fail humanity, that get into public office, that take over our media, that assumes external power trumps spiritual power and love! I'm ready to call in the benevolent forces, the galactic forces for peace. They could allow us to self destruct or fail to survive over the coming decades due to global warming no matter what the cause and at this point, I see it beyond our control and perhaps the planet is heating from within in response to cosmic forces and solar forces. I'm angry that this planet is threatened, that people are so unhappy and full of hate and revenge that they must kill themselves to express; that leaders must lie; that a nation must attack itself to create an enemy. I do not like it Sam, I do not like this sham.

:(

Et in Arcadia ego

07-16-2005, 10:23 AM

I do not like it Sam, I do not like this sham.

:(

Agreed.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 11:01 AM

BC,

Well, if your so tired of it all, how about doing something useful to expose it all? Take a look at the DMS problem as it applies to global warming that I just passed to ole Halva in this thread.

See if you can work through it without doing your typical copy and pasting of everyone into oblivion on the Forum. This copy and paste stuff you do just distroys a discussion, because nobody can take the flux of stuff you dump out.

This is not a difficult concept on DMS and the UV. Avoid thinking out loud and the hurricane levels of copy and pasting.

If you don't wanna do something useful like that---then how about letting this one little facet of Arianna's become BC free? You have lots of free space on Ariannas to blather of being tired and doing nothing to change it.

I can't believe you all manganged to run Reynolds off or give him a breakdown. He was always so reliable before. I guess the constant nonsense drove him crazy and away.

whitemajikman

07-16-2005, 11:18 AM

BC,

Well, if your so tired of it all, how about doing something useful to expose it all? Take a look at the DMS problem as it applies to global warming that I just passed to ole Halva.

See if you can work through it without doing your typical copy and pasting of everyone into oblivion on the Forum. It is not a difficult concept.

If you don't wanna do something useful like that---then how about letting this one little facet of Arianna's become BC free? You have lots of free space on Ariannas to blather of being tired and doing nothing to change it.

I can't believe you all manganged to run Reynolds off or give him a breakdown. He was always so reliable before.

Jimmy I enjoy Boomer and everything she stands for........If you disrupt this forum you can be sure that you too will be made an example of.....just like Reynolds.......

CT's are many things.....

But NOT anything that you have stated.........now or in the past........

You are still living in a world of fantasy...............

watch your back Jimmy BOY................

and your manners.........

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 11:21 AM

Oh my----its the Jewish Blue Lodge Mason again. White Magic Bubba, the mouth of Canada. You gonna start that trying to impersinate me again, sounds like. Still trying to get into the Mossad? You up to grand dragon level in the Brotherhood of Masons yet?

Some things never change do they---like when rifts intersect oil fields----some lies remain eternal-----don't they? Still fanning that old flame looks like. They let you in the dark side of the lodge yet----that two faced side?

What happened to Reynolds. It sounds like you are saying he was booted off the place? Hey, he always speaks his mind. Where is the ole boy? Go find him.

I don't share your like of ole BC. I think she is obnoxious and over board on talking too much. She just blaters and blathers and attempts to control things. Guess that is why your blue lodge grand master brother Gaia used to go Blah Blah Blah so much. Drove him nutz too.

Yup---I don't like that kinda stuff. I think there needs to be rules against blathering and distroying a list discussion with tons of C&P.

But then again, when was Arianna's ever progressive on keeping things where free speech isn't drowned out with excessive noise. Afterall, they still let scoundrels cheer for nonsense on Zionism. When you all gonna come clean on all that Torah stuff?

whitemajikman

07-16-2005, 11:38 AM

Oh my----its the Jewish Blue Lodge Mason again. White Magic Bubba.

What happened to Reynolds. It sounds like you are saying he was booted off the place?

I don't share your like of ole BC. I think she is obnoxious and over board on talking too much. She just blaters and blathers and attempts to control things. Guess that is why your blue lodge grand master brother Gaia used to go Blah Blah Blah so much. Drove him nutz too.

Blue Lodge......?

maybe you should get your story straight........

My Lodge Is the second oldest on the planet........and it makes the scottish rite look infantile by comparison.........

but keep guessing ....when you do realize exactly who and what it is you are claiming to know ......you just might shit your pants.........and become very paranoid of the fact............That you might just know.

WMM

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 11:45 AM

Yes, WMM, blue lodge. Recall your bragging to Gaia on belonging and he telling you to shut up on giving up too much in public?

I do. Even that long personal phone call, where you two became best buddies.

SO, what is this second oldest lodge of yours. Which one. Under Jurasalem or something?

I know exactly what I am messing with and you know I know.

So, don't be laying down no BS, as you might slip and fall in it.

What did you all do to Reynolds anyway. Stop avoiding the question.

Insurrectionchemistry

07-16-2005, 11:59 AM

Come on WMM,

Say the word "Jesus" and he was right.

Lets get down to it.

Boomer Chick

07-16-2005, 12:35 PM

Reynolds was never kicked off here and probably has better things to do with his time this summer than attempt to debunk nutcases.

He tends to a fantastic organic garden and gives most of it away to nearby elder homes and sells the rest at stands at fairs. He's spent a lot of time perfecting his soils and seeds and I admire him greatly for his working on his land.

His braking and circumspect view of global warming as SOLELY the product of man's doing has helped me personally, to explore alternative explanations for climate change and his presence as only been one (for me) of stimulation for reason.

He's probably vacationing like normal happy people do before harvest time, so he'll be back.

WMM,

You know I have always respected you and admire your spirit and intellect. This is not to flatter, but to remind you that I also "see." I did research the UN after your post over there, and came up with emergency systems for catastrophic earth changes. Well, since hurricanes and earthquakes, tsunamis and such do happen anyway, the preparation for such didn't raise any red flags with me. Perhaps the UN knows something we don't?

I'm tired, Shawn, I'm upset with the politics and overseers of our world and KNOW enough to KNOW that I, as one person, can't do squat to help anything. And IS, your theories just don't ring my chimes and I don't care what you think of me because you don't know me and haven't the ability to relate normally to other human beings, anyway. Even if I did agree with you, even if I did do what you ask.................. nothing would change and I would be labelled a total idiot! It's not that I'm afraid to be labelled that, of course, because I'll tell anyone at any time that I know ETs exist, that I've seen space ships, and we do have immortal spirits, and I wish everyone on this stinking planet would just get along. I'm tired of the power structures and the preponderance of ignorance, science directed into destruction.............. and I don't care except to join forces that will fight and strive to reform all that I complain about. Some say the cleaning up of the atmosphere will actually exacerbate the global warming situation because indeed the pollution itself has dimmed the planet somewhat. I tend to agree with Jay at this time, that the heating of our planet is probably by natural or cosmic forces. (One), could be heating from within, (two), could be heating like all the other planets of the solar system, and there's not a damn thing we as fleas on this mother earth can do about it except ADAPT !!!!

You those of you who believe that sending e-mails and articles across the net presumably enlightening others to this or that theory or coverup to this or that politician or scientist are actually affecting anything are blowing smoke up your butts!

Yes, thousands upon thousands of petitions can affect a vote!

Yes, thousands upon thousands of people screaming a truth online could eventually break into the major media to promote truth and justice -- why of course! You know I believe in the power of uniting forces for good.

But even that is cumbersome and slow and will simply not erase the economic injustice in the world and some of the evil forces behind it. I'm all for impeaching and marching them all out of the WH, but their tentacles after severing will probably grow back somewhere at some level and when the Kissingers of the world belong to China's oil companies and ours, they've already inserted themselves beyond our borders.

The only way to change the world is to change your self first, then your community, then your county, your state, and nation................ I just get overwhelmed with personal audacity! We need to express, but we don't need to put one another down, for the secret to our survival is in fact our loving one another and promoting those technologies that provide for humanity's welfare and nothing short of that will do. We must support fair laws, fair legislation, civil rights, or even science will continue to be held hostage to fascist funding. Can we count on the roque and the independent upstarts? I hope so as they realize that in a world market, alternative energies will be sorely needed just for surviva