Chemtrails as an excuse to justify drug abuse

[Et in Arcadia ego]

but a defamation in connection with children is beyond a joke.

Has he encouraged you to poison your own children yet? You don't really rate in Phelps' book until he starts suggesting you murder your own family..

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well, looks like the CTC terrorist connection is back. These are the people that want to raise the risks of aircraft being shot down because they claim they cause drought.

ET, the stalker person fom CTC that solicits assault.

While his claims of his feeding table salt to his kids becomes murder in his drug degenerate mind.

[Yaak]

Mr. Phelps,

You may distort my name, you can call me a goof-ball,
but a defamation in connection with children is beyond a joke.

I hope you or the admin knows what to do.
Your both reputation is at stake.

siegmundDo not concern yourself over Jimmy's reputation. Nobody does a better job of destroying it than Jimmy does.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well, aren't the GOP's cover up crooks coming out of the cracks in the concrete today.

Too much truth for the GOP's thugs must be showing again

[jayreynolds]

You also said my claiming that 8% of coal fired emissions was a "White Lie," and this has been shown to be a false claim on your part. .

No, Jimbo, he was correct, and youare wrong. HF could never constitute "8% of coal fired emissions".

You can claim this is true, but won't ever be able to make it true by showing us the stoichiometry.

Siegmund knows, Everybody knows.

[jayreynolds]

Well, aren't the GOP's cover up crooks coming out of the cracks in the concrete today.

Too much truth for the GOP's thugs must be showing again

There's blood in the water, Jimbo.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Yes, the blood that GOP crooks draw from babes. The blood of babes that Reynolds can't wash from his hands.

And a Yaak and Jay Reynolds stinch in the air from a bunk-shooters atmosphere of GOP lies for the End-Times.


Sounds like the GOP crooks are very worried with so much simple truth on coal emissions and how these help to compensate for global warming by helping to make clouds. And the real reason why the US is stalling on clean coal techniques for more than 30 years now, and stalling on the new safe nuclear methods using cold fusion for power generation.


How simple the associations are for these toxic fogs and making clouds using acids and metals combinations, not to mention the fluoride's toxic effects.


The crooked plans of GOP national labs and crooked GOP politicians is coming into view.


And those that seek to tell lies comes clearly into everyone's view.

[jayreynolds]

And a Yaak and Jay Reynolds stinch in the air from a bunk-shooters atmosphere of GOP lies for the End-Times..

That doesn't really make much sense, Jimbo.

Hey, I got a kick when I accidently clicked your profile a minute ago,
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/member.php?userid=956
you write:
In My Humble Opinion,
Jim Phelps, -=IS=-
The Voice of Honesty and Intelligence.
Learn more about air pharmacology, the dangers of acid rain, DMS, fluorine, the corruption of the US Govt., and how it all relates to religion prophecy.
http://www.doewatch.com

How DO you keep a straight face, Jimbo?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I don't have any problems looking down upon you with a perfectly straight face at all times.

It is your accepted role in life.


And everyone has noticed that when the Jay Reynolds' GOP gang gets into gang bang mode, that something hot has just been revealed on the Forum that can do extensive harm to the GOP and put more of them in prison.

[Yaak]

How DO you keep a straight face, Jimbo? Medication.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ever notice that nothing you do can change the realities that are becoming exposed.

It all comes out irregardless of your crooked antics.

It even draws more attention to the problems.

Attention now focused on the fluorides health effects, and the ways industry has long made fogs and clouds and how easily these effects can be stimulated.


Keep waving those red flags. It helps to get the points across to those that really want to know and follow the science.

[Yaak]

Regardless of what you might think, "irregardless" is not a word in the English language.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The word "irregardless" is in my dictionary and around Tennessee it is in very common usage. That makes it a word in English. And even "irrefutable" is in my dictionary.

Perhaps you should invest in a real dictionary sometime, in place of the limited vocabulary edition.

And do something about your delusional conditions that everyone notices when you speak.

Yaak, Jay Reynolds, and company suffer from delusional behaviors, upon which no one can build logic.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Another delusional Jay Reynolds snapshot for posterity:


No, Jimbo, he was correct, and youare wrong. HF could never constitute "8% of coal fired emissions".

You can claim this is true, but won't ever be able to make it true by showing us the stoichiometry.

Siegmund knows, Everybody knows.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It is exceedingly well documented that HF is 8% of coal plant toxic emissions by the EPA's TRI of the US:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/images/TRI-coal98.gif

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http://cta.policy.net/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=18980

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http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-powerplants.htm

Fluoride Emissions from Coal-Burning Power Plants

Fluoride Emissions from Power Plants
1998 marked the first time in which the electric utilities industry reported their emissions to the EPA. According to their data, Hydrogen fluoride is the 3rd main pollutant, due predominantly to the burning of coal.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ziggymon stated:
"And your world wide HF threat is a white lie."

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It has been well established that in England, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Canada, and the US that coal burning emissions have sickened and sometimes killed people due to air inversions making poison fog.

In China, where people heat and cook with coal, entire populations get fluorosis from coal fluoride toxic emissions.

That makes the problem world wide.

It also shows that Zigmond tries to tell lies to white wash for the power and chemical industry and not speak to the real problems of HF.


Obviously, if lime scrubbers were soaking up all the HF there would be no need to report to the TRI in the US, thus one more lie from Zigmon.

And the ultimate of lies is Zigmon and others think CO-2 is part of the TRI of coal plant emisssions. Guess we need to report every soda pop can or jug we open in the US and Germany. Pepsi and Coke are not going to be happy with you two telling the world they are serving up toxic poison in a bottle.

Or just report the "Dumm Kopf's" we see here.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Speaking of the GOP and industry's lies. The US has not become safer since the Iraq war, only more unsafe because the US infrastructure protection systems have been compromized.

The oil companies helped to lower New Orleans and efforts should have gone into raising the levels to account for this sinking from pumping Gulf Oil from out of the ground.

Governors could not even find the National Guard resources to respond properly.

Human industry induced Global Warming has increased the number and energy of Hurricanes and this requires things like hardening power distribution systems with extra guy wires to keep critical facilities online, such as oil pipelines, port areas, and refineries.

Bush and the GOP have neglected the infrastructure protection for the US to support trumped up lies for wars and made the entire US less safe and protected.

The US is loosing control of its national debt and lost the respect of the world. Soon these problems will lead to even bigger wars, that will essentially punge the US into ruin.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article316682.ece

Iraq war delayed Katrina relief effort, inquiry finds
By Kim Sengupta
03 October 2005

Relief efforts to combat Hurricane Katrina suffered near catastrophic
failures due to endemic corruption, divisions within the military and troop shortages
caused by the Iraq war, an official American inquiry into the disaster has
revealed.

The confidential report, which has been seen by The Independent, details how
funds for flood control were diverted to other projects, desperately needed
National Guards were stuck in Iraq and how military personnel had to "sneak off
post" to help with relief efforts because their commander had refused
permission.

The shortcomings in dealing with Katrina have rocked George Bush's
administration. Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has
resigned from his post and polls show that a majority of Americans feel the
President showed inadequate leadership.

The report was commissioned by the Office of Secretary of Defence as an
"independent and critical review" of what went so wrong. In a hard-hitting
analysis, it says: "The US military has long planned for war on two fronts. This is as
close as we have come to [that] reality since the Second World War; the
results have been disastrous."

The document was compiled by Stephen Henthorne, a former professor of the US
Army's War College and an adviser to the Pentagon who was a deputy-director in
the Louisiana relief efforts.

It charts how "corruption and mismanagement within the New Orleans city
government" had "diverted money earmarked for improving flood protection to other,
more vote-getting, projects. Past mayors and governors gambled that the
long-expected Big Killer hurricane would never happen. That bet was lost with
Hurricane Katrina."

The report concludes that although the US military did a good job in carrying
out emergency missions, there were some serious shortcomings.

The report states that Brigadier General Michael D Barbero, commander of the
Joint Readiness Training Centre at Fort Polk, Louisiana, refused permission
for special forces units who volunteered to join relief efforts, to do so.
General Barbero also refused to release other troops.

"The same general did take in some families from Hurricane Katrina, but only
military families living off the base," the report says. "He has done a
similar thing for military families displaced by Hurricane Rita. However, he
declined to share water with the citizens of Leesville, who are out of water, and his
civil affairs staff have to sneak off post in civilian clothes to help
coordinate relief efforts." The report says deployment in the Iraq war led to
serious problems. "Another major factor in the delayed response to the hurricane
aftermath was that the bulk of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard was
deployed in Iraq.

"Even though all the states have 'compacts' with each other, pledging to come
to the aid of other states, it takes time, money and effort to activate and
deploy National Guard troops from other states to fill in".

Mr Henthorne's report states: "The President has indicated several times that
he wants the US military to take a more active role in disaster management
and humanitarian assistance.

"There are several reasons why that will not happen easily. (1) Existing laws
will not allow the police powers the military will need to be effective. (2)
The military is not trained for such a mission and (3) the 'warfighter
insurgency' within the US military does not want such a mission and will strongly
resist it. Not one civil affairs unit was deployed for either hurricane."

The report concludes: "The one thing this disaster has demonstrated [is] the
lack of coordinated, in-depth planning and training on all levels of
Government, for any/all types of emergency contingencies. 9/11 was an exception because
the geographical area was small and contained, but these two hurricanes have
clearly demonstrated a national response weakness ... Failure to plan, and
train properly has plagued US efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq and now that failure
has come home to roost in the United States."

Relief efforts to combat Hurricane Katrina suffered near catastrophic
failures due to endemic corruption, divisions within the military and troop shortages
caused by the Iraq war, an official American inquiry into the disaster has
revealed.

The confidential report, which has been seen by The Independent, details how
funds for flood control were diverted to other projects, desperately needed
National Guards were stuck in Iraq and how military personnel had to "sneak off
post" to help with relief efforts because their commander had refused
permission.

The shortcomings in dealing with Katrina have rocked George Bush's
administration. Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has
resigned from his post and polls show that a majority of Americans feel the
President showed inadequate leadership.

The report was commissioned by the Office of Secretary of Defence as an
"independent and critical review" of what went so wrong. In a hard-hitting
analysis, it says: "The US military has long planned for war on two fronts. This is as
close as we have come to [that] reality since the Second World War; the
results have been disastrous."

The document was compiled by Stephen Henthorne, a former professor of the US
Army's War College and an adviser to the Pentagon who was a deputy-director in
the Louisiana relief efforts.

It charts how "corruption and mismanagement within the New Orleans city
government" had "diverted money earmarked for improving flood protection to other,
more vote-getting, projects. Past mayors and governors gambled that the
long-expected Big Killer hurricane would never happen. That bet was lost with
Hurricane Katrina."

The report concludes that although the US military did a good job in carrying
out emergency missions, there were some serious shortcomings.

The report states that Brigadier General Michael D Barbero, commander of the
Joint Readiness Training Centre at Fort Polk, Louisiana, refused permission
for special forces units who volunteered to join relief efforts, to do so.
General Barbero also refused to release other troops.

"The same general did take in some families from Hurricane Katrina, but only
military families living off the base," the report says. "He has done a
similar thing for military families displaced by Hurricane Rita. However, he
declined to share water with the citizens of Leesville, who are out of water, and his
civil affairs staff have to sneak off post in civilian clothes to help
coordinate relief efforts." The report says deployment in the Iraq war led to
serious problems. "Another major factor in the delayed response to the hurricane
aftermath was that the bulk of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard was
deployed in Iraq.

"Even though all the states have 'compacts' with each other, pledging to come
to the aid of other states, it takes time, money and effort to activate and
deploy National Guard troops from other states to fill in".

Mr Henthorne's report states: "The President has indicated several times that
he wants the US military to take a more active role in disaster management
and humanitarian assistance.

"There are several reasons why that will not happen easily. (1) Existing laws
will not allow the police powers the military will need to be effective. (2)
The military is not trained for such a mission and (3) the 'warfighter
insurgency' within the US military does not want such a mission and will strongly
resist it. Not one civil affairs unit was deployed for either hurricane."

The report concludes: "The one thing this disaster has demonstrated [is] the
lack of coordinated, in-depth planning and training on all levels of
Government, for any/all types of emergency contingencies. 9/11 was an exception because
the geographical area was small and contained, but these two hurricanes have
clearly demonstrated a national response weakness ... Failure to plan, and
train properly has plagued US efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq and now that failure
has come home to roost in the United States."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Bush and his Faith Based Followers have become the anti-Christ:

====

"Real Christians would not tolerate presidents who make
war on defenseless people based upon lies and innuendo ...
By allying itself with fraudulent ideologues like the 'Christian Right',
the church has itself become the anti-Christ."

=======

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10483.htm

Christianity and the Demise of America

By Charles Sullivan

10/01/05 "ICH" -- -- Let me state at the outset that the following
observations and criticisms do not apply to real Christians, or to all churches. The
Riverside Church in New York, for instance, has a long history of radical
activism on the side of social justice. Unfortunately, these churches comprise, I
believe, a small minority of the whole. I have no desire to offend those of you
who have taken courageous stands against injustice and war—those of you who
have thrown your bodies onto the levers and controls of the machine and tried to
make it stop. You have my utmost respect and my sincere gratitude. It is to
the make believe Christians and the vast majority of churches that I address the
following comments.

As a child I was forced to regularly attend church and Sunday school. This
represents my parent’s early attempts to Christianize me to and make me
respectable to the mainstream of society. Even then I resisted being forced to accept
something that I did not believe in. I behaved so badly that my Sunday school
teacher told my parents not to bring me back. My efforts to get myself exiled
from the church paid handsome dividends. Thus ended my brief encounter with
Christianity in particular and with organized religion in general. The rest of
my family has remained regular church goers. I have gone in another direction.
The result is that we share radically different political ideologies. Thus we
find ourselves in radically different places.

During the journey from childhood to manhood, I have often contemplated the
role of Christianity in the path that America was taking. Let me state clearly
that in my humble opinion organized religion has nothing to do with real
Christianity—I mean the actual teachings of Christ. Through a spectacular failure
of courage and a will to be accepted into the mainstream of corporate America,
the example of Jesus Christ has been trivialized and blasphemed by its chief
practioneers. The church has allowed itself to become so prostituted that it
bears little resemblance to the radical teachings of Christ of Nazareth. It has
allowed itself not only to be marginalized by corporate America—it has become
an apologist, an enabler, for the corporate state and all it represents.

One would think that any Christian would willingly concede the point that
Jesus Christ did not devote any energy to advancing the corrupt agenda of the
rich and powerful. Indeed, Christ devoted his life to serving the poor, the
oppressed, and the disenfranchised. Christ despised the obscene accumulation and
unequal distribution of wealth. This of course put him in opposition to those in
power, which eventually led to his crucifixion. It is the very same forces
that put Dr. Martin Luther King in formal opposition to more contemporary power
brokers, with the result that he was killed by an assassin’s bullet. It takes
more than bullets to kill a man. It takes more than nails and bullets to bury
truth. In both cases, those in power killed the messenger; but the message
continues to resonate loud and clear; and it is more relevant than ever in these
most dangerous of times.

Had the church not abdicated its moral responsibility of enacting the
philosophy of Christ, the history of America would be very different; and our place
in the world would also be changed. If the church believed in and taught the
factual doctrines of Christ it would be a very radical institution, a far cry
from the bastion of conservatism that we see today. It would actively organize
against war. It would fill the streets with passionate people who demonstrate
against the evils of war. It would take a strong stand against overt
aggression, materialism, obscene wealth, imperialism, corporate crime, colonialism, and
the unequal distribution of wealth. It would minister its massive resources to
end poverty. It would denounce presidents who espouse Christian values; but
who act like the anti-Christ. Rather than prop up false idols like George Bush
and the so called ‘Christian Right,’ it would denounce them as the
blasphemers they are. It would demand truth and accountability. It would require both
moral and physical effort from its members. It would require opposition to the
power brokers in government. It would demand of them that they fight tyranny,
as Dr. King did, and put themselves in harm’s way. It might even require that
some of them be crucified or assassinated. That is demanding a lot of them. But
we all know what happened to Christ; and many of us witnessed the
assassination of Dr. King. Thus it seems to me that being a Christian—a real
Christian—would mean giving up one’s comfort and confronting injustice wherever you find
it. It requires taking a moral stand and doing something about injustice.

Real Christians would not tolerate presidents who make war on defenseless
people based upon lies and innuendo. Bush and his imperialist polices should be
openly and powerfully denounced from every pulpit in every church in the United
States, every day. But they are not. In fact, just the opposite occurs. Bush
and his minions are cheered on by the apostates, the dogs of war and poverty.
Rather than acting as a counter friction to the machine, the church acts like
a cheer leader for grotesque acts of atrocity against the world. By allying
itself with fraudulent ideologues like the ‘Christian Right,’ the church has
itself become the anti-Christ. Being Christian, it seems to me, requires asking
of oneself in times of crises, ‘What would Christ do?’ But this is a question
that makes those who call themselves Christians uncomfortable. It is the kind
of question that demands everything of them. It is the kind of question that
makes it hard to look at oneself in the mirror.

I am not advocating that those who call themselves Christians go forth and
get themselves killed. But I do want them to stop aiding and abetting the enemy.
What I am advocating is that they examine their professed faith and compare
it to the radical actions of Christ. They must force themselves to see the
blatant disconnect between what they say and what they do. All of us are
hypocrites to various degrees. Certainly, I am painfully aware of my own shortcomings.
But it is hard to imagine that America could have become the depraved, violent
cancer that it is today had the church done a better job promoting the
teachings of its professed spiritual leader. For so many to call themselves
Christian, while advocating violence, is laughable. It is certainly absurd. To be a
Christian requires enormous self sacrifice in service to the poor. It requires
commitment to non violent solutions. And so it necessarily demands fierce
opposition to the vast majority of U.S. policies. Like anyone with a sense of
social justice, Christians would find themselves constantly swimming against the
current of popular American culture. It is not easy. It is wearisome work. It
demands everything of you. The current is as swift and dangerous as it is deep.
It requires courage to take the leap.

Because of Christianity’s stunning failure to take a strong and controversial
stance against war, millions of innocent people have been terrorized by the
government of the United States. Poverty flourishes around the globe while the
church cozies up to the rich and powerful; and often accumulates obscene
wealth, tax free. How would Christ react to this?

The situation has so degenerated that pompous asses posing as Christians like
Pat Robertson can openly call for the assassination of popular,
democratically elected leaders such as Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, and Aristeed in Haiti—men who have acted on behalf of their people with compassion and charity. Their
loyalty is to the poor, not to the multi-national corporations who would ravage
and pillage the world and divide the profits among themselves. Isn’t it a
strange irony that Chavez and Aristeed is more Christ like than most who call
themselves Christian? Jerry Falwell is another name that comes readily to mind in
this connection. When these fools speak and spew words of hatred and death,
they should be immediately and powerfully denounced from every pulpit in the
land. They should be held accountable and exposed as the dangerous frauds they
are. They should be excommunicated and denounced as heretics. But we do not see
this happening. Another absurdity, another mediocrity, is allowed to stand
until it becomes a part of the culture.

Charles Sullivan is a furniture maker, photographer, and free lance writer
living in the eastern panhandle of West Virginia. He can be reached at
earthdog@highstream.net.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

In the End-Times, when all around there are only lies, the world is plunged into global war by these lies:

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/021005worldwarthree.htm

Will Israel Start World War Three?
And finish the set-up the US started by radicalizing and arming Iran in the first place

Paul Joseph Watson/Alex Jones | October 2 2005

Israeli rhetoric towards Iran has considerably heated in the last few weeks as the world hurtles towards an inevitable confrontation over Iran's nuclear programs.

Last week three senior Israeli lawmakers went public to warn that Israel would act unilaterally to eliminate any perceived Iranian threat. Yosef Lapid, head of the centrist opposition Shinui Party in the Knesset stated, "Threats of sanctions and isolation alone will not do it, we feel we are obliged to warn our friends that Israel should not be pushed into a situation where we see no other solution but to act unilaterally."

In 1981, Israel bombed the Osiraq nuclear power plant near Baghdad immediately prior to it being fueled by its French contractors. Once fueled, bombing is out of the question because of the radiation that would be emitted, with clouds of poison drifting anywhere across the globe. This attack was essentially the brainchild of the same Neo-Cons pulling the strings today, who were just getting a foothold during the first year of the Reagan administration. Through their actions and incessant saber-rattling they later became known as 'the crazies' by more moderate policy makers under the first Bush presidency. Even Colin Powell, an establishment underling through and through went one further, calling them "fucking crazies" during the build-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.



The Bushehr nuclear reactor is a Russian project and it is set to be fueled very shortly. A senior Iranian atomic energy official said back in late June that the first fuel would arrive in a few months. Any targeted air strikes on the facility would merit an immediate response from the Russians.

Despite reports of increasingly strained relations between Russian and Iran, Vladimir Putin has publicly stated that Russia will defend Iran both diplomatically and militarily. The implications of this are obviously deeply concerning. If the situation was to spiral out of control, China, which has recently conducted several wargames with Russia, would step in on the side of Russian and Iran. The US would be obligated to defend Israel and in turn Europe would be obligated to defend the US.

Estimates of when Iran is likely to have acquired a usable nuclear arsenal range from five to ten years, but the Israelis have been fear mongering by saying it will be as soon as one or two.

Israeli officials have gone on the record to warn that military exercises have already been conducted and fully rehearsed to strike Iran's nuclear facilities as soon as they go live.

Lieut. General Thomas McInerney appeared on Fox News earlier this year and was asked about the likelihood of the US instigating or supporting any attack on Iran. McInerney sated, “Well, I would put one percent of using ground forces, boots on the ground in Iran, I would put up 50 percent on a blockade and I would put up fifty to sixty percent on precision air strikes on their nuclear development sites.”

The history of how Iran's path to nuclear proliferation began is a familiar story.



The 1953 CIA ouster of President Mossadegh, a leader who was conforming to westernized policy but made the mistake of asking to keep a small portion of his country's oil revenue, was achieved by means of staged bombings and shootings which were blamed on the Iranian government in order to antagonize the population and enable the coup.

After installing the Shah Globalists like Henry Kissinger opened the door for Iran to develop sophisticated nuclear energy programs which laid the foundation for today's crisis. Twenty three reactors were built with the help of American corporations like General Electric and Westinghouse.

In 1976, President Gerald Ford even authorized the Shah to buy and operate a plutonium-extracting and processing facility - a big step toward converting energy processing to weapons making.

After the revolution of 1979 the fundamentalist Ayatollah Khomeni reversed westernized policy but maintained Iran's nuclear interest albeit staggeringly before the end of the war with Iraq. After the war ended Iran was again free to pursue its ends leading us to the impending crisis we face today.

It seems almost inevitable now that the Neo-Cons will launch targeted military strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. Whether Israel goes alone or has US support seems beside the point. There are two dangers which apply to either outcome.

1) Will there, as George Galloway has warned could happen, be a staged terrorist attack either in Israel or the United States that is blamed on Iran?

One would suspect that the scope of this attack would have to be on the level of 9/11 to warrant an immediate military operation against Iran.



American Conservative magazine reported that Dick Cheney had given the authorization for a military strike on Iran immediately after the next terror attack in the United States.

Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi echoed the same sentiments.

2) How will Russia and China react and will this escalation light the blue touch paper for world war three?

Only time will tell.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A Delightful old saying:

"I write to entertain my friends and to exasperate our enemies."


The White House is coming undone at its seams and the Jay Reynolds GOP lies are bunk-shooting out each end.

Their downfalls are at hand.

Just keep up the writing of truth over evil's lies.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

One for the money, two to make sure, and its off to jail one GOP crook goes.

It is sure to become a sick-pac kind of GOP deal when the Fitzgerld charges become true billed.

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http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stor...b.bba26a15.html

A Texas grand Jury has indicted U.S. Representative Tom DeLay on another
criminal charge of money laundering, KVUE News learned Monday.

The indictment alleges they funneled money through the DeLay-founded Texans
for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to the Republican National
Committee in Washington. It says the RNC then sent back like amounts to
distribute to Texas candidates in 2002.

DeLay was charged last Wednesday on another charge of with conspiring with
two political associates to use corporate donations to support Texas legislative
candidates.

A different grand jury whose term ended last week indicted him on that charge.

House rules require any member of the elected leadership to step down
temporarily if indicted.

He has said he has done nothing wrong, called the indictment "a sham," and
denounced the Democratic prosecutor who pursued the case as a "partisan fanatic."

DeLay told Fox News Sunday he expected to dispense quickly with the charges
and will serve as a close adviser to Hastert, R-Ill., in promoting an agenda
that includes lowering gas prices, cutting taxes and enforcing immigration laws.

"I get to continue my partnership with the speaker," DeLay said.

"The speaker and I have been leading the House for, what, eight years now.
It's because we get along together, we think the same. We are simpatico," DeLay
said.

Asked whether he would return to the GOP leadership, DeLay said, "Well, I
hope so. I can do my job with or without the title. That doesn't concern me."

[Yaak]

A Delightful old saying:

"I write to entertain my friends and to exasperate our enemies."


The White House is coming undone at its seams and the Jay Reynolds GOP lies are bunk-shooting out each end.

Their downfalls are at hand.

Just keep up the writing of truth over evil's lies. We will, Jimmy. Every time you or some schmuck like Halva tells an evil lie, we will write the truth.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Evil doer Yaak wants an indictment too, for conspiracy to aid the criminal GOP.

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051004/D8D0SC8G0.html

Grand Jury Re-Indicts DeLay on New Charge

Oct 3, 2005

By APRIL CASTRO

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A Texas grand jury on Monday re-indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on charges of conspiring to launder money and money laundering after the former majority leader attacked last week's indictment on technical grounds.

The new indictment, handed up by a grand jury seated Monday, contains two counts: conspiring to launder money and money laundering. The latter charge carries a penalty of up to life in prison. Last week, DeLay was charged with conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws.

Defense lawyers asked a judge Monday to throw out the first indictment, arguing that the charge of conspiring to violate campaign finance laws was based on a statute that didn't take effect until 2003 - a year after the alleged acts.

The new indictment from District Attorney Ronnie Earle, coming just hours after the new grand jurors were sworn in, outraged DeLay.

"Ronnie Earle has stooped to a new low with his brand of prosecutorial abuse," DeLay said in a statement. "He is trying to pull the legal equivalent of a 'do-over' since he knows very well that the charges he brought against me last week are totally manufactured and illegitimate. This is an abomination of justice."

DeLay and two political associates are accused of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to the Republican National Committee in Washington. The RNC then sent back like amounts to distribute to Texas candidates in 2002, the indictment alleges.

DeLay's associates, John Colyandro of Austin and Jim Ellis of Washington, were each previously indicted on charges of conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and money laundering.

The judge who will preside in DeLay's case is out of the country on vacation and couldn't rule on the defense motion. Other state district judges declined to rule on the motion in his place.

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Associated Press writer Suzanne Gamboa in Washington and Kelley Shannon in Austin contributed to this report.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2005/09/30/glick/index.html?source=gristbox


We must hit the streets to demand action on global warming
By Ted Glick
30 Sep 2005
"Given the urgency and magnitude of the escalating pace of climate change, the only hope lies in a rapid and unprecedented mobilization of humanity around this issue ... that some spark might ignite a massive uprising of popular will around a unifying movement for social survival and the promise it holds for a more prosperous, more equitable, and more peaceful world." -- Ross Gelbspan, Boiling Point


Global warming needs one of these.
Photo: AP/Jacqueline Roggenbrodt.Last weekend, hundreds of thousands of people marched in Washington, D.C., and around the country to protest the war in Iraq. On Saturday in D.C., widespread feelings of outrage and determination were palpable. Over the following two days, activists lobbied on Capitol Hill and engaged in nonviolent civil disobedience at the White House. It was a powerful combination of events. It was also a powerful example of exactly what we need to fight global warming: a massive, multipronged social and political movement.

Such a movement is growing as you read this, and will hit the streets in December -- not a moment too soon. There is no cause, no issue, no crisis more significant and more immediate than global warming. We could well see, within our lifetimes, a vast disruption of human society -- above and beyond the widespread injustice and poverty that already exist -- via floods and storms, rising sea levels, large-scale refugee movements, droughts, deforestation, and a major decline in food production. This possibility was brought home to many people in the U.S. by the devastating effects of the recent hurricanes.

While clean energy, conservation, and efficiency provide a clear solution to our global problem, little action has been taken in the U.S. beyond the individual, local, and occasionally state levels. The hard truth of the matter is this: the battle to stabilize our climate will not be won solely on the basis of rational arguments, individual lifestyle changes, and relatively modest clean-energy efforts. Given the alarming increase in the pace of global warming and the resistance to change by big coal and big oil, we need a movement the likes of which this country and world have never seen.

In The Same Vein
Sign Here to Save the Planet
Join a people's campaign to ratify the Kyoto ProtocolWe need an early 21st century mobilization for global survival that is visible, multifaceted, creative, and determined. We need a fresh, young, energetic campaign. We must be willing to use nonviolent civil disobedience in a strategic way to underline the urgency of this crisis. We need individuals who are willing to make personal sacrifices. If we truly believe the clock is ticking toward a moment when the floodgates will almost literally open, we need people who are prepared for the hard, thankless work it takes to organize and build a movement, and for the dramatic actions of demonstrating, fasting, sitting-in, and risking arrest or going to jail.

This Dec. 3, a coalition of groups representing students, environmentalists, workers, women, people of color, religious adherents, and others will heed that call during a Day of Action. The day falls in the middle of a major U.N. conference in Montreal of countries that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol -- as well as some, including the U.S., that have not. There will be demonstrations at federal buildings, vigils, town meetings, and other creative actions, including a major one in Montreal organized by a Canadian coalition.

If all goes well, Dec. 3 will be the springboard for a global justice campaign in 2006, including a potential national march on Washington. And we have good reasons to believe such a campaign will have a major impact.

Here's one: last fall, students on hundreds of college campuses around the country held events and protests on the issue of clean energy. An important national network, Energy Action, which brings together 24 mainly youth and student groups, is continuing to grow. Students are on board.

Understanding within the peace movement about the connections between the war on Iraq and global warming is also growing. The major national anti-war coalition, United for Peace and Justice, supports the call for actions on Dec. 3, and -- as it proved in Washington, D.C., last weekend -- knows how to rally people to the cause. Activists are on board.

Many localities, and some states, are taking action to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions and replace dirty energy with clean alternatives. Just recently, the U.S. Conference of Mayors went on record in support of these efforts. Towns and cities are on board.

Spend Your $.02
Discuss this story in our blog, Gristmill.Leaders among the currently influential Christian right are speaking out. Rev. Rich Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the 30-million-member National Association of Evangelicals, tells his flock, "I don't think God is going to ask us how he created the earth, but he will ask us what we did with what he created." The faithful are on board.

The global-warming crisis has reached such magnitude that even within the leadership of the Republican Party, people are speaking out about the need to address it, including Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Chuck Hagel (Neb.), Lincoln Chafee (R.I.), and Olympia Snowe (Maine). Political leaders are on board.

Finally, and very significantly: people in the U.S. are getting it. This summer, poll results from the University of Maryland revealed that an overwhelming majority of respondents, 94 percent, thought the U.S. ought to match, or exceed, the rest of the world's limits on greenhouse-gas emissions. Three out of four people saw global warming as a problem requiring action. The people are on board.

All of this has happened without a visible movement taking to the streets. Is it unrealistic to believe that with such a movement in place, seemingly impossible things would become possible?

We must act as if we have it in our power to bring into being a new world -- a desirable world, a world grounded upon justice, where we are at peace with one another and the earth that gives us life. Because we do.

Are you on board?


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Ted Glick is the coordinator of Climate Crisis: USA Join the World!, which is building support for the Kyoto and Beyond petition campaign leading up to December's Day of Action. He can be reached at usajointheworld@igc.org.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://enn.com/today.html?id=8944


Louisiana Ecological Harm Called Unprecedented

October 03, 2005 — By Beth Daley, Boston Globe
NEW ORLEANS — The environmental damage from hurricanes Katrina and Rita is unparalleled in its scope and variety, scientists say, with massive oil spills blanketing marshes, sediment smothering vast fishing grounds, and millions of gallons of raw sewage scattered in New Orleans and along the 400-mile Louisiana coast.

The catastrophe extends from the heart of the Big Easy, where streets, sidewalks, and floors are coated with a thick mud mixed with human waste, to the fringe of protective marshland, sugarcane fields, and citrus groves along the Gulf Coast that are beginning to die from the sea's salty surge. Thousands of acres seem to have been swallowed forever by the ocean.

"This is an unprecedented event in terms of devastation and scale," said Harry Roberts, director of the Louisiana State University's Coastal Studies Institute. He says it will take time to fully evaluate the storms' impact. "It's not like a spill on a river or a beach; you have small channels, canals, towns, levees. Everything here is complicated . . . and it's not a simple environment to assess damage in."

The scope of the cleanup ahead is most evident when seen from a plane. In a three-hour flight, a Globe reporter documented scores of examples of environmental damage from New Orleans 60 miles south: A shrimp boat, one of more than 100 observed tossed on roads and earthen levees, leaking a thin rainbow film of oil into the marsh. Two large white oil-storage tanks, one partially crumpled like a soda can, leaning precariously over the Mississippi River with remnants of its black goo smeared on a nearby beach. Boxcars, barges, and car ferries -- their contents oozing -- piled in canals and along the riverbank. Acres of marsh grass, beaten down by 100-mile-per-hour-plus winds and poisoned by salt water, turning brown.

Nature is resilient, and most scientists agree that the Louisiana coast will recover, as it has after past hurricanes. Oil will evaporate, toxic compounds will be diluted, and fish will return. But it could take several years or longer, and by then fishermen, hunters, and farmers could be ruined, as duck hunting falls off because of the loss of wetlands, crawfish farms fail because of saltwater in ponds, and high salinity in the soil turns rice and cane fields barren. Finding new uses for the land could take years.

"It will always come back to some stable system; we'll have shrimp and oysters again . . . but the shock effect of the change and recovery time could be great," said Paul Coreil, vice chancellor for the Louisiana State University Agriculture Center.

The most immediate concern is more than 8 million gallons of spilled oil in Louisiana -- a total that could grow significantly in coming days as Coast Guard officials continue to survey the spills. Just one Murphy Oil Corp. tank spilled 1.5 million gallons that mixed with sea water and washed into marshes, canals, sewers, and swimming pools over a square mile of the community of Chalmette, southeast of New Orleans. The Exxon Valdez -- until now considered the nation's worst environmental disaster -- poured 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989.

Despite the bigger volume, the Valdez spill was easier to deal with, cleanup and environmental officials say, because it came from a single source and largely stayed in one place. In Louisiana, oil has been found seeping from pipes, tanks, and other containers at more than 48 locations. Floodwaters allowed some of it to mix with the contents of underground gas storage tanks and the hazardous contents of thousands of homes and schools, including asbestos, paint thinner, and bleach, complicating the cleanup.

Near the oil spill in Chalmette, a thick sludge coats a cul-de-sac and the tread marks of cars that tried to escape its clutches are visible from 1,500 feet in the air. Katrina's storm surge picked up the Murphy Oil tank and pushed it 30 feet, buckling it and opening a leak. The neighborhood resembles a war zone from Katrina, with roofs blown off and sheds resting on their sides. Through it all, the sheen of oil snakes into canals and a marsh. Federal officials have classified the neighborhood as a "hot zone" -- making it off-limits as they try to scrub oil from sewage pipes and mailboxes, and decide whether the neighborhood is salvageable.

So far, cleanup workers have siphoned or removed more than 2.5 million gallons of oil from marshes, canals, and land that spilled in the biggest leaks. Most of the oil, however, has evaporated or was carried out to the Gulf on Katrina's and Rita's retreating storm surge where it was broken up and diluted, and will eventually biodegrade. Given the circumstances, cleanup officials say, it was far better for the oil to go to sea than to get caught in sensitive marshland.

"It could have been much worse," said Charlie Henry, lead scientific adviser for the Katrina and Rita response for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Office of Response and Restoration. Fewer than 100 birds have been recovered with oil on them, according to a US Fish and Wildlife official, but assessments are not complete.

One-hundred forty oil and gas platforms in the Gulf of Mexico were damaged by Katrina -- 43 severely, including some that floated away or sank. While oily sheens were reported in the Gulf after Katrina, the amount of oil from platforms and pipelines appears to be negligible, federal officials say. While rigs and pipelines have been reported damaged during Rita -- and some small amounts of oil spills -- no final numbers exist yet.

Many Louisiana fisheries, which produce 15 percent of US seafood and 50 percent of the nation's oysters, are believed to be devastated. Katrina dumped a thick layer of sediment east of the Mississippi Delta that probably smothered oyster beds, and Rita did the same in the western part of the state. Brown and white shrimp that spawn offshore and move inland to live in marshes have had much of their habitat destroyed. Officials say they believe the worst is yet to come: Decaying organic matter that is being stirred up or washed into lakes and the Gulf will probably cause oxygen levels in the water to drop, killing off fish.

In New Orleans, the mess could take years to scrub clean. Federal and state teams are fanning out across the city, looking to identify and plug up thousands of "orphan" 55-gallon drums and barrels that floated out of industrial facilities. The barrels, many with labels peeled off by wind and weather, litter banks of canals and warehouse sites. Worries about breathing in particles released from the muck on the streets eased with Rita's dousing, but as a dry-out occurs, federal officials are sampling air again while residents complain of coughing. More than 22 million tons of debris will have to be disposed of and workers are combing through streets trying to separate hazardous waste from regular debris.

"I'm a glass-is-half-full kind of person, and there is significant environmental impact," said Coast Guard Captain Frank Paskewich, the commander of the New Orleans District who is overseeing the oil spill cleanup. But he said many of the polluted areas have been contained, making them easier to scrub clean. "I am optimistic we are going to mitigate it."

To see more of The Boston Globe, or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.boston.com/globe.

Source: Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4ds.htm

Sutherland Says Bush
'Will Destroy Our Lives'
10-3-5

Choking back tears, COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF star Donald Sutherland warned this week: President Bush "will destroy our lives!"

The star of the new ABC drama, which follows the first woman President of the United States, lashed out at the real White House during a dramatic sit down interview with the BBC.

Sutherland ripped Bush and his administration for the war and Hurricane Katrina fallout.

"They were inept. The were inadequate to the task, and they lied," Sutherland charged.

"And they were insulting, and they were vindictive. And they were heartless. They did not care. They do not care. They do not care about Iraqi people. They do not care about the families of dead soldiers. They only care about profit."

At one point during the session, Sutherland started crying: "We've stolen our children's future... We have children. We have children. How dare we take their legacy from them. How dare we. It's shameful. What we are doing to our world."

Sutherland went on rip Karl Rove's "methods and means" against people like Cindy Sheehan.

"We're back to burning books in Germany," Sutherland said of NBC's editing out of Kanye West's comment on Bush during a hurricane relief telethon.

[jayreynolds]

It is exceedingly well documented that HF is 8% of coal plant toxic emissions by the EPA's TRI of the US.
Ah, so rather than your previous statement that "HF is 8% of emissions", you are now saying that considering only the small toxic portion of all coal fired emissions, HF amounts for only 8% of those.

Well, now I agree that you have modified your previous misstatement to correctly state the facts.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The Delusional Jay Reynolds has fooled no one.

In fact, the GOP's Jay Reynolds has been caught lying again. Seems the GOPs often engage in lies and these lead to criminal indictments.

There have been no mistatements on the health considerations for HF, other than those of Jay Reynolds and Ziggy in the latest attempts to mask problems by taking things from context.

References have been clearly stated on the 8 percent HF emissions in human health discussions for well over a year, and are very clearly stated in this thread to anyone that can read. Corrupted Jay Reynolds read the 8 percent HF emissions data (citations plus pie-chart placed in the list) for health discussions on Halva's "Mother Nature" thread more than a year ago.

Even the 1 % contributions of things like mercury from that emissions pie chart are being shown to cause serious problems, as these emissions become the methyl mercury that accumullate in fish and cause health risks to man.

Ziggy can't seem to converse in English effectively and speaks in tiny sentences. Even in the current Ziggy attempts to mask HF problems, the health citations were very clearly stated. Thus, leaving zero room for question or doubt.

All discussions health related pertain to the toxic emissions of coal fired plants, and that is the standard for the EPA and everywhere. Always has been, common sense. It is the basis for the TRI.

There are those present (Reynolds, Yaak, Ziggy) that don't engage in common sense.

Only Corrupted GOP Jay Reynolds' delusions and Chemical Industry "goof-ball" apologist Ziggy are the only two persons attempting to declair CO-2, H2O, and air as toxic agents for discussion in human health. They bring up constant non-sense and lies as a general rule.

HF has a particularly dangerous effect of being highly retained in the body and building over time. Cumulative dangers, Time integrated dangers, for HF exceeds both the other two acids combined and increases the dangers of the mercury in coal emissions.

Fluorides are pesticides and poisons. Pesticides and poisons are toxic in low concentrations and particularly low concentrations if the material highly retains in the body, and HF and fluorides do this.

Coal air emissions of HF have killed people in air inversions, due to the calcium nerve channel problems in the heart. HF spills on the skin have given people heart attacks. HF emissions and rise of fluoride exposures, in general, in the population in the long term leads to degenerative illness, aging, and death.

Volcanic releases of HF have killed animals hundreds of miles away that drank polluted waters and grazed on HF fallout on grasslands. Just as volcanic releases cause problems in animals, so does the gradual HF rainout onto grass from coal emissions and chemical plant releases. Fluorides rain out onto grazing lands is highly associated with animal problems like scrappie and mad cow. Acid emissions also free up toxic metals that enter this process.

Fluorides in the food and water chain accumulate in the human body in the bone and the Pineal Gland. Bone concentrations are constantly remobilized and add to the active presence of fluoride in the body. Pineal Gland accumulation always exceeds the bone concentration. And with the gradual loss of function of the Pineal Gland and HPA axis factors comes illness, aging, and death.

This mechanism being exposed is the corrupted GOP industries and Jay Reynolds biggest fear and points to the fact they, GOP based cover-ups, have harmed little kids and even their parents in the interest of wealth, not health.


Fluoride's toxic effects cause health problems world-wide. From the Chinese using coal to cook and heat. To high fluorides in the water in Vietnam and India. To high fluorides in the food and water in the East African Rift zone that slowly poisons people from Ethiopia to South Africa. Fluoride is a killer world-wide, and HF adds to the problems in industrialized countries.


The delusional Jay Reynolds has fooled no one with his GOP attack games, and his aim is to injure, even little children, by not telling of the dangers of fluoride pollution.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Chemtrails methods have been around a long time, and can't be denied. Lots of the chemtrail methods are modeled after the same effects that made fogs from industrial releases.

For many decades most people never noticed that the increases in coal emissions and industry were driving up cloud formations and weather over large areas of the US, just in the same way they never noticed that women's hair spray and leaking auto air conditioners were releasing Freon and distroying the ozone layer and this was killing the ocean's phytoplankton systems and the mechanims that made clouds over the oceans to keep them cool.

Now, we can see some of this harm coming to roost as the US is getting slammed with massive hurricanes formed in the central Atlantic that are being driven by these warmer ocean problems due to the ozone depletion problems. Now the Govt. wants to sustain these coal emissions to help compensate for this loss of global clouds from ocean damage factors.

So, from these dual effects, one sees that weather over areas like Tennessee has actually been cooler and wetter due to the applachian coal burning in these areas, while the Southern Oceans are heating up more and El Nino effects and more frequent and powerful storms follow. There are some competing functions happening, one cancelling the other out over select areas. But, in general, a warming problem is present in the global sense. Jet chemtrail pattern traffic adds one more level of effect.

These are just the weather factor problems due to industry, and as we found these problems and how one was compensating for the other in the middle 1980s ideas, then using jet planes to do some of the same compensation tricks were invented. Most all of them patterned after things happening in Oak Ridge that made fogs.

That was not the least of the problems, as Oak Ridge also had some major toxicity issues, which entered the chemtrails equations. Raining out increased fluorides and acids causes serious problems. A snap shot of the type problems that associate is again to look at the Oak Ridge model.

The most serious of problems in Oak Ridge has always been the fluorides toxic effects and these fluoride associated health problems have been known since the times of fluorides health effects seen in Europe' industries stemming from the late 1800s and early 1900s.

Oak Ridge's K-25 plant was a chemical processing plant with enough fluorine present to kill most of the state of Tennessee. Keeping the K-25 emissions bottled up cost the Manhattan Project 25 % of its total funding.

It was a constant battle in Oak Ridge to avoid problems from occuring like those seen in London's Pea Soup poison fogs, the Meuse Valley poison fogs, Denora's Poison Fogs, and the St. Lawrence area where weather inversions and topology trapped and caused the poisons to form deadly killer fogs giving out deadly heart attacks.

The basic topology for these well known air inversion problem zones of valleys with rivers is the same as the river and valleys for Oak Ridge that captures the plant's pollutants via being blocked by ridges.

Even the TVA coal fired power plants on each end of Oak Ridge highly contributed to these fluoride poison death risks and in the 60s the decision was made to increase these TVA smoke stakes to the "Super-stack" heights to increase the dispersion of the deadly smoke and help to prevent the air inversion type trapping centers between ridges being formed.

Still with all the efforts in attempts to avoid these health problems, they only half succeeded. Oak Ridge was for the longest time run by Union Carbide, which mean't things were run as cheaply as possible and humans were at risk as they were in Bhopal, India. The real problems have been covered up by constant denial of the public about the true harm the fluorides releases have caused to human health.

Today, the K-25 plant is shut down due to these extreme risks and thousands in the region are ill due to their increased exposures to the fluorides in the air, water, and food. Most all the sick worker health effects in the special cohort group for gaseous diffusion workers are sick from the toxic effects of fluoride on the thyroid system and glutathione mechanism that remove toxic metals from the body.


Oak Ridge has just been the mine canary for the fluorides rising in the populations all across America and what has happened to Oak Ridge worker's health now increasing affects all Americans and even their children's health and IQ.


It is Oak Ridge and their helpers in environmental crime cover ups, like Jay Reynolds and the corrupted and criminal Bush Admistration, that bring these harms to all Americans, their children, and to the world.

[siegmund]

To whom it may concern.

In 1976 German government put in force a Federal Immission Control Act.
It controls all emissions from Chemical Plants, Waste Incinerations and Combustion Power Plants
as well as immission (pollution) in industrial areas.

There are certain "limit values" for emissions (concentration in plant exhaust air) and immission (concentration in environmental air).

For example the three Coal Power Plants (Kraftwerk = KW) near Cologne, Germany
KW Frimmersdorf 3500 MW, KW Neurath 3000 MW, KW NIederaußem 3800 MW
emit less than 1 mg/Nm3 HF in their exhaust air (emission limit value 15 mg/Nm3 HF)
and total less than 5000 kgs HF per year so that the
immission limit value of 0.0004 mg/Nm3 HF nowhere in Germany is reached.

This "clean" air is the result of plants' flue gas scrubber systems based on lime (CaO).
BTW: All acidic gases and aerosols so are reduced to traces incl. HF.

Total mass figures are not significant in view of pollution.
To prove toxicity one has to present concentration values (emission and immission).
As long as this could not be verified the HF threat from air remains a white lie.

siegmund

PS: When activated aluminum was mentioned in this connection (to reduce acids in air) all authorised immission people here only laughed.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ziggy returns with a trace of information from Germany.

As last I looked Germany was more serious than the US on many emissions problems. Germany even regulates run off from parking lots for cars. The US doesn't get as serious as Germany on emissions, and likewise for other countries.

Last I looked the German's don't seem to regulate the US's emissions, nor China's, and not even India's. So we have a trickle of data for one little area of Europe. Germany is probably the only country serious about Fluidized Bed combustion, which also cuts emssions with calcium scrubbers.


That Germany goes to the added expense and troubles to add the calcium scrubbers to their coal plants only proves my point that HF and the other acids cause danger to environment and human health, else they would not be spending the time and money to run these systems.


Now Ziggy, we need to see the same type data for Mexico's emissions, China's emissions, Russia's emissions, US's emissions, India's emissions and others. Then go in for the situations like steel mill towns with topology problems like those in the Meuse Valley, the Donora Valley, and the St. Lawrence. Then we need the Epi data from regions that know how to do the deeper diagnosis for thyroid problems that originate from Pineal Gland and AlF3 problems.

Mexico's coal emissions devastate Texas air quality and China's coal emissions even affect the US air quality.

Then we need some nice epi data on rates of fluorosis and food / water intake for fluorides.


Like it or not, what the US uses around gas diffusion plants to pick the HF from air emissions is alumina. And one can even look that up on the internet and find the reality very easily, despite Germany 's calcium technology. Alumina does react with HF in the air, and it is used extinsively around UF-6 plants in the US to partly control the HF health risk from emissions of HF.


As best I can tell in the US, we mostly use electrostatic filter systems, which does little to the HF emissions or other acid emissions of coal fired plants. In the US, lots of the coal plants and industries operate under a Grandfather clause that lets them keep doing what they have always done. And the GOP politics of the US blocks almost all environmental improvements.


What you have in Germany, is not really what the rest of the world does. So, we have Ziggy making for big lies in not providing the larger perspectives. He speaks only from the Germany perspectives.


Most all of Europe does not Fluoridate their water, which means the US health problems due to HF and fluorides are a different ball game than the Germany ways of things.


Not to knock Germany and Europe for being so wise about fluoride dangers, but the rest of the world has yet to follow.

Ziggy fails to provide the whole story, which is closely akin to telling lies.

[jayreynolds]

Alumina does react with HF in the air

Ok, prove how it could do so, Jimbo.
You can't.

As best I can tell in the US, we only use electrostatic filter systems, which does little to the HF emissions or other acid emissions of coal fired plants.
here are 11 pages of US coal fired plants using wet flue gas scrubbers(as of five years ago):
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epav2/html_tables/epav2t27p1.html


ELEVEN PAGES, JIMBO!
If this is "best I can tell" from Jimbo, we have to doubt his abilities to rezearch anything.
Oh, btw, guess what?
None of them use alumina as a sorbent.


Wet scrubber technology is the most proven and commercially established SO2 removal process in most developed countries (Europe, Japan, and the United States). At the end of 1993, there were more than 132 GWs of installed capacity operating worldwide. Approximately 40 GW (installed in the late 1980s) are in Germany and more than 62 GW in the United States. Of the 9,200 MW of coal-fired capacity in Japan, approximately 93 percent use scrubbers (mostly wet type).
http://www.worldbank.org/html/fpd/em/power/EA/mitigatn/aqsowet.stm

In China:
Current regulations also require that all power plants using coal with medium or high sulfur content install FGD facilities by 2010.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309093236/html/227.html

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Misrepresentation means everything to Jay Reynolds and Ziggy, and this is a clear example.
Or the better term called liars.

Lets do the Tennessee Valley Authority, which is one of the largest power utilities in the US. It is also the one that uses the Grandfather clause to avoid adding pollution equipment.


Take this page that tells only three plants in the TVA system use this method:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epav2/html_tables/epav2t27p10.html


Which means that the TVA "Bull Run Steam Plant" and the TVA "Kingston Steam Plant" that sit on each end of highly fluoride polluted Oak Ridge don't run these acid removal scrubbers.

Not only that, but TVA is huge and has a lot more than three steam plants noted in your little citation.


Then one has to look at the technical details, like the removal efficiency of many of these scrubbers listed is down around 20 %, which doesn't do much.


I do think the typical misleading information scinerio applies to Jay Reynolds and Ziggy reditions on HF emissions. Obviously, if the emissions were down---we would not see big emission numbers in the EPA TRI.

More clear examples easily found on the internet:

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Refs:

http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/sandt/airqualitycost.htm

He said China hoped to avoid the U.S. experience of polluting first and cleaning up later.

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http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/1102232.html

Pollution plumes from China extend past Hawaii and occasionally reach the United States.

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http://www.as.wvu.edu/~tmiles/bend.html

Over the past few years, however, the Big Bend has acquired a new distinction, one that represents a growing environmental and diplomatic headache for the Clinton administration. At times the national park, one of the most remote in the United States, has the smoggiest air of any park in the West.

A thin, whitish-gray haze, which several studies by the U.S. government have largely traced to a mammoth complex of coal-fired electricity plants in northern Mexico about 125 miles upwind, is casting a literal pall over the park, especially with the prevailing winds at this time of year.


The coal plants meet all Mexican environmental standards for emission of sulfur dioxide, a pollutant that is potentially hazardous, although the emissions standards are seven times less stringent than rules in the United States.

So there is nothing the U.S. government can do to force the installation of scrubbers and other pollution-control equipment at the complex, which serves a growing industrial region in northern Mexico and at full operation is the seventh-largest individual source of sulfur dioxide in North America.

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http://www.txpeer.org/toxictour/big_bend.html

Coal-burning Plants and Grandfathered Facilities Are Major Polluters
Fran Sage, who lives in Alpine, about 70 miles north of Big Bend National Park, explains that, "There was a decision by EPA and the National Park Service to do a ...study. It took a LONG time to come out; gathering the data may be scientific but interpreting it is political. One of the surprising things was that Texas is polluting the Big Bend. We don't have heavy industry or much traffic out here, so it was a stunner." The study showed that urban and industrial areas of Houston and Galveston on the Texas Gulf coast are a large source of air contaminants, as is a similar region in North Central Mexico.(5)

Two enormous coal-burning power plants (Carbon I and II) near Piedras Negras in the Mexican border state of Coahuila are known to be regular contributers to pollution in the region. These power plants burn low-grade coal in facilities that are not equipped with pollution control devices such as air scrubbers.(6) Sulfur emissions from the plants help form the white haze that obscures visibility in Big Bend. Operation of these two plants is expected to add an estimated 250,000 tons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere annually.(7)

Coal-fired plants in north central Texas and on the Gulf Coast are also a problem. A 1971 clause to the Clean Air Act exempted older plants from having to comply with certain pollution control regulations, thereby allowing many of these "grandfathered" plants in Texas to continue operating without pollution control devices.(8) Furthermore, Texas has done little at the state level to impose stricter standards on these facilities. Legislation in 1999 offered incentives to grandfathered facilities to voluntarily clean up their emissions, but it did not require them to do so.(9) So these operations continue to pump out pollution, much of which are sulfur emissions which account for nearly 40 percent of the pollutants reducing visibility in Big Bend. Other particulate pollution contributing to the haze includes: organic carbon (19 %) from wildfires, agricultural burning, and vehicles; coarse material or blowing soil (16%); and nitrate from nitrous oxides produced by industry and vehicles (4%).(10)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

The US has the technology for the cleanest and most efficient coal plants in the world, but they are not used to help with the global warming issues.

The pre-treatment methods far exceed the post-treatment of hot flue gas methods and the DOE developed the technology.

The lime or calcium methods are band-aide techniques put on systems than have been polluting regions for decades. The newer coal gassification methods make these calcium methods as poor in comparison.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/business/yourmoney/22coal.html?th&emc=th

Dirty Secret: Coal Plants Could Be Much Cleaner

Robert Waselewski/Tampa Electric CompanyTampa Electric's Polk Station, where
coal is turned into a relatively clean gas to burn for electricity. Because
regulators require utilities to use the lowest-cost alternatives, this more
expensive plant is the only one of its kind.

By KENNETH J. STIER
May 22, 2005

ALMOST a decade ago, Tampa Electric opened an innovative power plant that
turned coal, the most abundant but the dirtiest fossil fuel, into a relatively
clean gas, which it burns to generate electricity. Not only did the plant emit
significantly less pollution than a conventional coal-fired power plant, but it
was also 10 percent more efficient.

The Future of Power Hazel R. O'Leary, the secretary of energy at the time,
went to the plant, situated between Tampa and Orlando, and praised it for
ushering in a "new era for clean energy from coal." Federal officials still refer to
the plant's "integrated gasification combined cycle" process as a "core
technology" for the future, especially because of its ability - eventually - to all
but eliminate the greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

Since that plant opened, however, not a single similar plant has been built
in the United States. Abundant supplies of natural gas - a bit cleaner and,
until recently, a lot cheaper - stood in the way.

But even now, with gas prices following oil prices into the stratosphere and
power companies turning back to coal, most new plants - about nine out of 10
on the drawing board - will not use integrated gasification combined-cycle
technology.

The reason is fairly simple. A plant with the low-pollution, high-efficiency
technology demonstrated at the Tampa Electric plant is about 20 percent more
expensive to build than a conventional plant that burns pulverized coal. This
complicates financing, especially in deregulated markets, while elsewhere
utilities must persuade regulators to set aside their customary standard of
requiring utilities to use their lowest-cost alternatives. (A federal grant of $143
million covered about a fourth of the construction cost of the Tampa Electric
plant, which was originally a demonstration project.)

The technology's main long-term advantage - the ability to control greenhouse
gas emissions - is not winning over many utilities because the country does
not yet regulate those gases.

That could be a problem for future national policy, critics say, because the
plants being planned today will have a lifetime of a half-century or more.
"It's a very frightening specter that we are going to essentially lock down our
carbon emissions for the next 50 years before we have another chance to think
about it again," said Jason S. Grumet, the executive director of the National
Commission on Energy Policy.

The commission, an independent, bipartisan advisory body, has recommended
that the federal government spend an additional $4 billion over 10 years to speed
the power industry's acceptance of the technology. In a recent report, the
commission concluded that "the future of coal and the success of greenhouse gas
mitigation policies may well hinge to a large extent on whether this
technology can be successfully commercialized and deployed over the next 20 years."

Mr. Grumet was more succinct. Integrated gasification combined cycle
technology, combined with the sequestration of carbon stripped out in the process, "is
as close to a silver bullet as you're ever going to see, " he said.

Until Congress regulates carbon emissions - a move that many in the industry
consider inevitable, but unlikely soon - gasification technology will catch on
only as its costs gradually come down. Edward Lowe, general manager of
gasification for GE Energy, a division of General Electric that works with Bechtel
to build integrated gasification combined-cycle plants, said that would happen
as more plants were built. The premium should disappear entirely after the
first dozen or so are completed, he added.

Even now, Mr. Lowe said, the technology offers operational cost savings that
offset some of the higher construction costs. And if Congress eventually does
limit carbon emissions, as many utility executives say they expect it to do,
the technology's operational advantages could make it a bargain.

James E. Rogers, the chief executive of Cinergy, a heavily coal-dependent
Midwestern utility, is one of the technology's biggest industry supporters. "I'm
making a bet on gasification," he said, because he assumes a
carbon-constrained world is inevitable. "I don't see any other way forward," he said.

The operating savings of such plants start with more efficient combustion:
they make use of at least 15 percent more of the energy released by burning coal
than conventional plants do, so less fuel is needed. The plants also need
about 40 percent less water than conventional coal plants, a significant
consideration in arid Western states.


But for some people, including Mr. Rogers and other utility leaders who
anticipate stricter pollution limits, the primary virtue of integrated gasification
combined-cycle plants is their ability to chemically strip pollutants from
gasified coal more efficiently and cost-effectively, before it is burned, rather
than trying to filter it out of exhaust.



The Future of PowerProponents say that half of coal's pollutants - including
sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, which contribute to acid rain and smog -
can be chemically stripped out before combustion. So can about 95 percent of
the mercury in coal, at about a tenth the cost of trying to scrub it from
exhaust gases racing up a smokestack.

The biggest long-term draw for gasification technology is its ability to
capture carbon before combustion. If greenhouse-gas limits are enacted, that job
will be much harder and more expensive to do with conventional coal-fired
plants. Mr. Lowe, the G.E. executive, estimated that capturing carbon would add
about 25 percent to the cost of electricity from a combined-cycle plant burning
gasified coal, but that it would add 70 percent to the price of power from
conventional plants.

Gasification technology, although new to the power sector, has been widely
used in the chemical industry for decades, and the general manager of the
gasification plant run by Tampa Electric, Mark Hornick, said it was not difficult to
train his employees to run the plant. Tampa Electric is the principal
subsidiary of TECO Energy of Tampa.

Disposing of the carbon dioxide gas stripped out in the process, however, is
another matter. Government laboratories have experimented with dissolving the
gas in saline aquifers or pumping it into geologic formations under the sea.
The petroleum industry has long injected carbon dioxide into oil fields to help
push more crude to the surface.

Refining and commercializing these techniques is a significant part of a $35
billion package of clean energy incentives that the National Commission on
Energy Policy is recommending. The Senate considered some of those ideas in a big
energy policy bill last week, but it is doubtful whether Congress will
approve the funds to enact them because they are tied to regulating carbon emissions
for the first time, something that many industry leaders and sympathetic
lawmakers oppose.

Still, the energy bill may have some incentives for industry to adopt
gasification technology, and the Department of Energy will continue related efforts.
These include FutureGen, a $950 million project to demonstrate gasification's
full potential - not just for power plants but as a source of low-carbon
liquid fuels for cars and trucks as well, and, further out, as a source of hydrogen
fuel.

REGARDLESS of the politics of carbon caps, the Energy Department has made it
clear that it intends to push the development of integrated gasification
combined-cycle technology. Last month, for example, Mark Maddox, a deputy assistant
secretary, said at an industry gathering that the technology "is needed in
the mix - needed now."

Some industry leaders are skeptical, to say the least. "We would not want to
put all of our eggs in one basket as far as a single technology is concerned,"
said William Fang, deputy counsel for the Edison Electric Institute, a trade
association whose members, shareholder-owned utilities, account for
three-quarters of the country's generating capacity.

Besides, he added, many of his members think that mandatory carbon controls,
in place in much of the world since the Kyoto Protocol came into force in
February, can be kept at bay in the United States - possibly indefinitely.

It's a risky strategy - for industry and for the climate. "Coal-fired plants
are big targets," said Judi Greenwald of the Pew Center on Global Climate
Change, "and if we do get serious about climate change, they are going to be on
the list of things to do quite early."

[jayreynolds]

Lets do the Tennessee Valley Authority, which is the largest power utility in the US. It is also the one that uses the Grandfather clause to avoid adding pollution equipment.
Which means that the TVA "Bull Run Steam Plant" and the TVA "Kingston Steam Plant" that sit on each end of highly fluoride polluted Oak Ridge don't run these acid removal scrubbers.
"What TVA is doing about emissions at Bull Run:
TVA has taken a number of steps to make the efficient generation of power at Bull Run as clean as possible:
The use of low-sulfur coal from eastern Kentucky reduces emissions of sulfur dioxide (SO2).
Construction of a scrubber began in the spring of 2005 to further reduce SO2. The scrubber should be operational in 2009."

"TVA - Kingston Fossil Plant
714 Swan Pond Rd.
Harriman, TN 37748
Roane County
Air Pollution Control Devices
SO2: Scrubber system planned to be installed in 2005.
NOx: Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) online for 6 of 9 units. The remaining 3 units are under construction for SCR. Units 5, 6, 7, & 8 use low-NOx burners.
(status as of June 2004)

“TVA is committed to improving air quality in the Tennessee Valley as we have demonstrated by this project at Paradise, the first of five additional scrubbers being installed in the region,” McCullough said. By the end of the decade, TVA will have invested more than $5 billion since the 1970s to achieve a 75 percent reduction of nitrogen oxides during the summer ozone season and an 85 percent annual reduction of sulfur dioxide emissions.

Under a $1.5 billion contract with Advatech LLC, TVA will install the Unit 3 scrubber plus four more scrubbers at Bull Run and Kingston Fossil Plants in Tennessee and at Colbert Fossil Plant in Alabama."
More at:
http://www.tva.gov/index.htm

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Little late for all the people whose health has already been compromised by slow to conform TVA.

How many decades of high pollution for these areas. And many of the pollutants like fluorides and mercury retain in the environment and human body, and act synergistically.

Only via persons like me and lots of others is TVA getting an incentive to change---plus lots of lawsuits for poisoning the locals is part of that incentive.

Even North-eastern states are suing TVA for poisoning their air some one thousand miles away from TVA, so one can imagine the impact to Tennessee and TVA's region with air inversions. And the impact to the Smoky Mountains due to acid rain effects that have killed off huge numbers of trees in the upper elevations.

It is why we like activism and activist, cause we speak to the problems and the health effects.

[jayreynolds]

Lets do the Tennessee Valley Authority, which is the largest power utility in the US. It is also the one that uses the Grandfather clause to avoid adding pollution equipment.

Jimbo proven wrong again, the "Peanut Power" Guys were largest in 2004:
100 Largest Electric Company Net Generation
1 Georgia Power Co GA 111,361,786
2 Tennessee Valley Authority TN 86,262,035
3 Exelon Generation LLC IL 86,034,047
4 Alabama Power Co AL 81,845,023
5 Florida Power & Light Co FL 81,596,948
6 TXU Generation Co LP TX 65,860,585
7 Duke Power Co NC 62,561,496
8 Reliant Energy HL&P TX 56,115,611

Lest you complain that TVA "tries harder" because they are #2, think again.
Excelon has merged with PSEG to create the NEW BOSS of electric utilities.

Jimbo, don't forget, you are dealing with a power plant engineer, not some chemmie nincompoop swilling ouzo in a cafe.
You lose.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

An admission of guilt again. Jay Reynolds admits to being one of the polluters that ran the power plants that drive up health effects, global warming, kill trees on mountains with acid rain.

We have the actual polluter here that is the apologist for huge amounts of harm to region's environments and human health. Jay Reynolds condones the poisoning of little kids, even here.

Jey Reynolds writes:
"Jimbo, don't forget, you are dealing with a power plant engineer, not some chemmie nincompoop swilling ouzo in a cafe. "


These are the persons that need to get sued for causing these problems, and they are the GOPs lead cover up people of problems from all fossil fueled processes.

They are also the ones recommended band-aid pollution fixes, when much better technology is available.


These are the same people that attempt to cover up the long standing problems from coal emissions, but even now the problems of jet emissions and band-aid fixes like chemtrails to alter global warming.

These are the ones that lie to America.

[jayreynolds]

The four stages in Evolution of Jimbo Phelps:

Jimbo- "In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered next to GOD"
Jay- If Jimbo is next to God, where sit's Jesus?????????

Jimbo- "As best I can tell in the US, we mostly use electrostatic filter systems"
Jay- But Jimbo, I showed you 11 pages of US plants that use scrubbers.....

Jimbo- "the TVA "Bull Run Steam Plant" and the TVA "Kingston Steam Plant" that sit on each end of highly fluoride polluted Oak Ridge don't run these acid removal scrubbers."
Jay- But Jimbo, those plants have scrubbers currently under construction........

Jimbo- "Little late"
Jay- Jimbo, you have been reduced to petty whining

Jimbo, while this mini-debate has gone on this morning, I got my boy some breakfast, helped correct his homework, drove him to school, edited an english essay, read my other email and a newspaper.
Yes, I'm a busy guy, but somebody has to hand you your ass on a silver platter, buddy!.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

TVA is being forced to improve.

Did anyone see Jay Reynolds forcing the issues, or were you one of the runs making the problems? One of the ones helping to hide the problems from the public.

Jay Reynolds was and is the polluter.

Jay Reynolds is the admitted fossil fuels polluter that acts as the apologist and cover up person for decades of harm to areas in the TVA footprint, and other Appalachian polluters.

And Jay Reynolds assumes the same levels of cover up for the jet emissions problems.

In plain language, Jay Reynolds is one of the GOP style crooks that would rather see little kids be harmed than have provided less toxic emissions.

Jay Reynolds methods tell he supported lets pollute, and only change our ways when the lawsuits and exposure get too much for us to handle.

Jay Reynolds is not an engineer that supported good design for power plants that should have included effective pollution concerns. In place of safe engineering, most of the US received higher stacks to push the pollution over on the next guy and into the oceans.

In place of safe engineering, the US only is getting a few washing systems (some with extremely worthless efficiency) these days that do nothing about the extreme harms already done to regions.

Jay Reynolds seeks to conceal health problems for a corrupt GOP that does not care for human health, but wants more persons sick so the AMA can increase its bottom line and kill off the baby boomers sooner so they GOP can exploit the Social Security funds for wars.

That makes persons like Jay Reynolds really low kinds of persons.

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Jimbo, what power company gets the money YOU pay for electricity?
Hint: TVA

[jayreynolds]

I'm finished with your whupping for the morning, Jimbo.
Have a nice day!
"Happy Trails"

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I just fully supported my contentions on HF and acid emissions from local TVA plants, and even my active role in helping force the issues to promote changes for health and environment.

I helped force the shut down of K-25 over the HF problems, helped to force issues of making TVA change its polluting ways that have caused extensive harm to these regions.


And what has Jay Reynolds done---he ran the plants that harmed little kids. He was an engineer type that did not design safe systems and did not encourage his peers to do likewise.


Jay Reynolds IS the polluter. He has also admitted that these plants have caused extensive harm, else all these changes and expenses would not be required. These emissions don't need to be slighting reduced---they need to be reduced by factors of a 100 to a 1000. Not this piddly ten these band-aide type stop-gap fixes apply.

The Coal Emissions problems are still going to be ever increasing problems for the US and to the world. Only more band-aides are being applied. Global warming and CO-2 emissions are still coming on strong. And the acid emission sysnergisms are not being well addressed in many parts of the world.

The US is clearly shown to have done the lets pollute and think of how to deal with that later. Their first fix was "Dilution is the Solution for Pollution," which dumped acids all over the US to the point other states are suing places like TVA for relief.


Looks like all my points are supported, all of them pointing to you and yours as trying to avoid the blame game.

Jay Reynolds is a GOP crook, always has been, always well be.


Now Jay Reynolds supports screwed up skies from jet emissions, and thinks all that is just ok in the same way he thought dumping poison acids on regions was ok for decades.


Jay Reynolds is a delusional type engineer for thinking they could get away with poisoning the world slowly with toxic emissions. Now all these improper Jay Reynolds engineering designs and lack of planning theaten the existance of mankind and the viability of civilization.

[Yaak]

Hey, Jimbo, what power company gets the money YOU pay for electricity?
Hint: TVA

Your actions are those of a low-down, dirty, damned hypocrite, Jimmy Phelps.

You call Jay a criminal for something he had nothing to do with, then you turn around and financially support the very institution(s) that are committing the crimes.

Shame! Shame! on you, Jimmy!

[jayreynolds]

Your actions are those of a low-down, dirty, damned hypocrite, Jimmy Phelps.

You call Jay a criminal for something he had nothing to do with, then you turn around and financially support the very institution(s) that are committing the crimes.

Shame! Shame! on you, Jimmy!



Yes, Jimbo sucks on the teat of "Father Coal" just like the rest of us.
He has been employing the use of NASTY coal-derived electricity for DECADES.

Without COAL, Jimbo would be NOTHING!

He's no God, no "Destroyer of Worlds".
He's just a very small fish in a big sea.
And he needs to fear the sharks.
There is indeed blood in the water, Jimbo.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

All consumers in Tennessee and most places are forced to consume what the poor engineering and global sustainabilty planners like Jay Reynolds provided to them.

It is a matter of GOP dictated pollution and design goals, which generally mean cheap and to hell with long term health.

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Lets do a simple example of how stupid Jay Reynolds is as a power plant engineer. We are going to use a nice example that all beginner chemistry texts well show. But it is used extensively by DOE in the gas diffusion business.

I stated:
"Alumina does react with HF in the air"

Jay Reynolds' poor knowledge asks:
"Ok, prove how it could do so, Jimbo.
You can't."

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It is increadibly obvoius that HF will react with alumina to even high school chemistry kids, but not to Jay Reynolds because he was a "grease monkey" at a power plant and now just a little "dirt farmer." He does not know simple sciences and never really did. One can tell that Jay Reynolds doesn't even really qualify for even grease monkey because most people know the ingredient in "Armour-All" for aluminum wheels is HF. HF is the brightner for corroded aluminum, and even high school kids know about it.

Jay Reynolds is involved in the process of pollution and poor engineering, he is trying to hide problems.

Easily found on the internet is this citation on the use of alumina to trap HF from gas diffusion releases:

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http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:QbWkgrkwpXwJ:www.nrc.gov/materials/fuel-cycle-fac/ml042190038.pdf+alumina+trap+HF+criticality&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


5.3.9 Technical Services Building Ventilated Room The purpose of the TSB Ventilated Room is for the emptying of chemical traps and to deal with faults associated with cylinder valves. Valves may be removed from cylinders and new valves fitted. The replaced valve is then tested for vacuum integrity. Calculations have been performed on storage arrays of product vent chemical (carbon) traps. The calculations also cover the storage of alumina traps, which are of similar dimensions but have a lower uptake of uranium. The alumina traps are not normally exposed to uranium (their purpose is to remove HF), but it is possible that an alumina trap could be connected to the plant by mistake in place of a carbon trap. The modeling of alumina traps as carbon traps covers this possibility. The chemical traps are essentially empty steel cylinders into which steel internal parts including perforated plates to carry the activated carbon are placed. The activated carbon in the trap

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Clearly proven is that alumina makes an excellent HF trap. DOE likes these traps because they get nearly all the HF in air and are very high efficiency.

DOE has always been very concerned with HF releases, because very tiny amounts cause health problems for worker exposures. So, they chose alumina powder traps to grab all the HF releases into the air. Many of the places where there is UF-6 lost to air there is an alumina trap system. Examples are areas like cylinder product transfer handling zones where lines filled with UF-6 are disconnected and dump UF-6 into the air, which converts to HF. There are systems called air "Gulpers" that use alumina powered to trap the HF from being released from the process area.

One of the problems is via careless actions in the later years of Union Carbide and Martin-Marietta, all these carefull preventions turned into a general level of abuse. Workers vented stages to atmosphere dumping long plumes of HF into the plant and communities air. They cranked up the processes so the bubbler systems did not trap HF at the correct levels. They burned UO2F2 in incinerators. They let huge tanks of UF-6 sit around leaking HF in the cylinder yards, and so on. They lost the care that cost the Manhattan Project 25% of its funds to keep the UF-6 and HF away from workers environment and communities environments.


The UF-6 systems of Oak Ridge are generally shut down these days, except for system deposit removal jobs. The only remaining HF operations in Oak Ridge these days is the one at the Y-12 plants "Green Salt" operation. This was recently upgraded to monitored double containment and total air washing of all air from the process. This process had killed workers in the past from skin exposures to HF. And the air releases were associated with affecting the health of the Scarboro Community of Oak Ridge and the many workers of the Y-12 plant exposed to the HF in the air. A leaking HF tank nearly killed the entire plants population not very long ago.

So, the DOE spent millions recently to upgrade this most dangerous of the Y-12 plants chemical operations.

HF is a cumulative poison and the safe level for it is about like the radiation ALARA process. There is NO safe level for HF exposures, because it is cumulative over a lifetime.

Add on the HF emissions of two DOE plants in Oak Ridge and two HF emitting TVA power plants in Oak Ridge and you get a lot of sick workers and people from HF's slow poisoning effects. And one huge liabilty for TVA and DOE.

And to GOP crooks like Jay Reynolds.


This is the really big health secret in Oak Ridge and the main reason for all the bad press on the area's health in major newspapers like the Nashville Tennessean's EXPOSE on the problems in recent years.

The Newspaper ran an massive series of reports based on literally nearly a thousand interviews with communities and workers in the area. One can still read about what the DOE's and the GOP's greed for the bomb did to this region in Tennessee:

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part1/index.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part2/frame.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part3/frame.shtml


These are the stories about what the cover up of HF has done to a region and its people.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh my, those crooked GOP types like Jay Reynolds just keep getting into more and more criminal troubles trying their mean politics. Now the White House is coming down with a crime spree, in addition to the crooks in the Congress.

Rove looks like he just got himself declaired an official target. They gonna come take him away.

http://www.edwardsdavid.com/media/misc/images/arrestedRove220a.jpg

Guess it won't be long before some Govt. Agents targets one of those high tech LASER sights on Jay Reynolds' flank [figuratively speaking, of course] and arrests him for for Patriot Act violations, being a general menace to society, and attemping to deprive US citizens of their rights to know about serious GOP environmental problems from power production, pertaining to what Reynolds keeps covering up with all his threats.

Knowing Reynolds, he will try and shoot it out with the law enforcement types. Cooper all over again.

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http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Rove_missing_from_events_Word_on_1005.html


Rove missing from White House events; Word on Hill is that he has been told
he's target of probe
RAW STORY


Update: Rove's lawyer will no longer deny client a target

President Bush's most trusted adviser, Karl Rove, has been absent from recent
White House events, leading those close to a CIA outing case to speculate
that he has been told he is the target of an investigation, RAW STORY can confirm.

The buzz on Capitol Hill is that Rove has received what sources called a
"target letter," or a letter from the prosecutor investigating the outing of CIA
agent Valerie Plame Wilson telling him that he is now a target in the
investigation. To date, no reporters have been able to confirm this account. One lawyer
says that at this point in the investigation it would be more likely any
letters would normally be notifications of an indictment.

Late Wednesday, Reuters added a new element, saying Rove's attorney, Robert
Luskin, declined to say whether his client had been contacted by the prosecutor
in the case.

"In the past, Luskin has said that Rove was assured that he was not a
target," Reuters notes.

Rove disappeared from the scene around the time he was diagnosed with kidney
stones in mid-September, sources close to the White House tell RAW STORY. At
first, the belief was that he was off the beat to recover from his illness.

But his absence at President Bush's press conference Monday where Bush
announced that he had chosen Harriet Miers to succeed Sandra Day O'Connor on the
Supreme Court raised eyebrows. Rove is usually present at such events.

President Bush has declined to say whether he would fire Rove if he were
indicted. He has said that he would fire any White House staff that was found
guilty in the case.

Others, noticing seeming Administration slip-ups -- the response to Katrina
and the unexpected groundswell of discontent from conservatives over Miers --
suggest the White House may be distracted with something else.

Rove's absence was first noted by AmericaBLOG.

DEVELOPING....
Originally published on Wednesday October 5, 2005.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Its looking very bad for the GOP criminals in the White House. Even the mainstream news is forcasting the worst.

GOP Mastermind DeLay's going down, then Crooked GOP Rove, and the insiders tell of 22 initial indictments well into the White House itself.

Then followed by literally hundreds more.

All the GOP followers will be declaired a criminal party.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051006/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc_1&printer=1;_ylt=AjiELRXp7JS27Cusqfzybx4b.3QA;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

US officials brace for decisions in CIA leak case
Oct 5, 2005

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The federal prosecutor investigating who leaked the identity of a CIA operative is expected to signal within days whether he intends to bring indictments in the case, legal sources close to the investigation said on Wednesday.

As a first step, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was expected to notify officials by letter if they have become targets, said the lawyers, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Fitzgerald could announce plea agreements, bring indictments, or conclude that no crime was committed. By the end of this month he is expected to wrap up his nearly two-year-old investigation into who leaked CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.

The inquiry has ensnared President George W. Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, and Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby. The White House had long maintained that Rove and Libby had nothing to do with the leak but reporters have since named them as sources.

Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, declined to say whether his client had been contacted by Fitzgerald. In the past, Luskin has said that Rove was assured that he was not a target.

Libby's lawyer was not immediately available to comment.

"It's an ongoing investigation and we're fully cooperating," said Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride.

The outcome of the investigation could shake up an administration already reeling from criticism over its response to Hurricane Katrina and the indictment of House Republican leader Tom DeLay on a conspiracy charge related to campaign financing.

New York Times reporter Judith Miller testified to the grand jury on Friday about the conversations she had with Libby.

Plame's diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, has accused the administration of leaking her name, damaging her ability to work undercover, to get back at him for criticizing Bush's Iraq policy.

Fitzgerald's agreement to limit the scope of Miller's testimony to her conversations with Libby -- a proposal he rejected a year earlier -- suggested that Libby had become "the focus of interest," said one of the lawyers involved in the case.

After initially promising to fire anyone found to have leaked information in the case, Bush in July offered a more qualified pledge: "If someone committed a crime they will no longer work in my administration."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Oh my, oh my

http://www.radarmagazine.com/the-wire/2005/10/05/index.php#wire_003399

EXCLUSIVE: The D.C. rumor mill is thrumming with whispers that 22 indictments are about to be handed down on the outed-CIA agent Valerie Plame case. The last time the wires buzzed this loud — that Tom DeLay would be indicted and would step down from his leadership post in the House — the scuttlebutters got it right.

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http://www.cloakanddagger.de/


Dear Patrick, I have a few more GOP crooks and liars that need your kind of inquisitive attention.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Everyone here is a witness. For the record,
Official snapshot of Jay Reynolds making claims of professional title:


Jimbo proven wrong again, the "Peanut Power" Guys were largest in 2004:
100 Largest Electric Company Net Generation
1 Georgia Power Co GA 111,361,786
2 Tennessee Valley Authority TN 86,262,035
3 Exelon Generation LLC IL 86,034,047
4 Alabama Power Co AL 81,845,023
5 Florida Power & Light Co FL 81,596,948
6 TXU Generation Co LP TX 65,860,585
7 Duke Power Co NC 62,561,496
8 Reliant Energy HL&P TX 56,115,611

Lest you complain that TVA "tries harder" because they are #2, think again.
Excelon has merged with PSEG to create the NEW BOSS of electric utilities.

Jimbo, don't forget, you are dealing with a power plant engineer, not some chemmie nincompoop swilling ouzo in a cafe.
You lose.

[jayreynolds]

The Newspaper ran an massive series of reports based on literally nearly a thousand interviews with communities and workers in the area. One can still read about what the DOE's and the GOP's greed for the bomb did to this region in Tennessee:

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part1/index.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part2/frame.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part3/frame.shtml


These are the stories about what the cover up of HF has done to a region and its people.
I'd like to read the stories, but your links don't work.
Strange, for a man who claims to be "considered a God".

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Funny, when I click on the URLs listed in the area you quoted from me, the links all work perfectly. You appear delusional and infirm of mind.


Jay Reynolds appears all Choaked-Up, like some Cayotee caught with chicken feathers on his chops after making chaos in the chicken coup to conceal his theft crime.


Jay Reynolds has been found to have commited the crime of Professional Credential Fraud. Jay Reynolds made false claims of being an "Engineer," a state crime.


Anyone that helps him with this fraud by participation in his fraudulent games aids and abets his fraud games.


Jay Reynolds also can't seem to know truck driver level or High School level science on how HF is used to brighten and clean the aluminum on tractor trailers and even airplanes. Even High School kids use HF products to brighten their aluminum mag type wheels.


The real Jay Reynolds is a delusional person trying to make himself sound professional and making himself a fraud in the process.

Jay Reynolds is a proven GOP crook.


There can never be any assisting Jay Reynolds in the performance of his crimes in any manner. There is no debate for persons of criminal intentions, who blatantly violate laws as does Jay Reynolds.


Jay Reynolds is not any different than the GOP crook named Mike Brown that claim professional experience he did not have that contributed to the deaths of hundreds of people in the New Orleans FEMA disaster.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A snapshot of Jay Reynolds false claims and loss of reality:




Originally Posted by Insurrectionchemistry

The Newspaper ran an massive series of reports based on literally nearly a thousand interviews with communities and workers in the area. One can still read about what the DOE's and the GOP's greed for the bomb did to this region in Tennessee:

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part1/index.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part2/frame.shtml

http://www.tennessean.com/special/oakridge/part3/frame.shtml


These are the stories about what the cover up of HF has done to a region and its people.


I'd like to read the stories, but your links don't work.
Strange, for a man who claims to be "considered a God".

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Latest CBS poll on Bush down to 37%, as people think its time to clean house.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Deluded Jay Reynolds hasn't quite figured out that when the truth on mother nature, environment, religion, and GOD hit the table top, that WMM and IS had the same goals and ideals.

Jewish WMM and IS are on the same side these days, the side of truth.

Can't say same for Jay Reynolds.

Sure sign he lost the game and is a sore looser. No false flag operations or division games will ever get Jay Reynolds anywhere, but closer to Hell.

Jay Reynolds chose the low road.

[Yaak]

Whoa! Slow down there, Jimmy.

(Methamphetamine will do that to a person, I have read. Soon Jimmy Boy will crash. Anticipate his absence, shortly.)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Yawn. Yaak has serious denial problems and can't admit total defeat by those of common sense.

[jayreynolds]

Jimbo, at your website, you wrote:
"I also discovered the ideas for