Chemtrails as an excuse to justify drug abuse

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/real_world.html


Feedbacks using biological processes

Charlson et al. (1987) have described another negative feedback mechanism involving clouds, which has been calculated to be of the same strength as the typically predicted greenhouse effect of CO2 (Lovelock 1988; Turner et al. 1996). These investigators suggest that the productivity of oceanic phytoplankton will increase in response to an initial impetus for warming, with the result that one of the ultimate by-products of the enhanced algal metabolism-dimethyl sulfide (DMS)-will be produced in significantly greater quantities. Diffusing into the atmosphere, where it is oxidized and converted into particles that function as cloud-condensation nuclei, this augmented flux of DMS has been projected to create additional clouds and/or clouds with a higher albedo. This should reflect more solar radiation back to space, thereby cooling the earth and countering the initial impetus for warming (Shaw 1983, 1987).


Con't

[Insurrectionchemistry]

There is much evidence - 700 papers in the past 10 years ( Andreae and Crutzen 1997 ), to support the validity of each link in this conceptual chain of events. First, there is the demonstrated propensity for oceanic phytoplankton to increase their productivity in response to an increase in temperature ( Eppley 1972; Goldman and Carpenter 1974; Rhea and Gotham 1981 ) ; this propensity is clearly evident in latitudinal distributions of marine productivity ( Platt and Sathyendranath 1988; Sakshaug 1988 ). Second, as oceanic phytoplankton photosynthesize, they produce a substance called dimethylsulfonio propionate ( Vairavamurthy et al. 1985 ), which disperses throughout the surface waters of the oceans when the phytoplankton die or are eaten by zooplankton ( Nguyen et al. 1988; Dacey and Wakeham 1988 ) and decomposes to produce DMS ( Turner et al. 1988 ). Third, it has been shown that part of the DMS thus released to the earth's oceans diffuses into the atmosphere, where it is oxidized and converted into sulfuric and methanesulfonic acid particles ( Bonsang et al. 1980; Hatakeyama et al. 1982; Saltzman et al. 1983; Andreae et al. 1988; Kreidenweis and Seinfeld 1988 ) that function as cloud-condensation nuclei ( CCN ) ( Saxena 1983; Bates et al. 1987 ). Fourth, more CCN can clearly stimulate the production of new clouds and dramatically increase the albedos of pre - existent clouds by decreasing the sizes of the clouds' component droplets ( Twomey and Warner 1967; Warner and Twomey 1967; Hudson 1983; Coakley et al. 1987; Charlson and Bates 1988; Durkee 1988 ). This latter phenomenon then tends to cool the planet by enabling clouds to reflect more solar radiation back to space ( Idso 1992b; Saxena et al. 1996 ). In fact, it has been calculated that a 15 percent to 20 percent reduction in the mean droplet radius of earth's boundary - layer clouds would produce a cooling influence that could completely cancel the typically predicted warming due to a doubling of the air's CO2 content ( Slingo 1990 ).


Con't

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Another way in which the enhanced production of CCN may retard global warming via a decrease in size of droplets in clouds is by reducing drizzle from low-level marine clouds, which lengthens their life span and thereby expands their coverage of the planet ( Albrecht 1988 ). In addition, since drizzle from stratus clouds tends to stabilize the atmospheric boundary layer by cooling the sub-cloud layer as a portion of the drizzle evaporates ( Brost et al. 1982; Nicholls 1984 ), a CCN-induced reduction in drizzle tends to weaken the stable stratification of the boundary layer, enhancing the transport of water vapor from ocean to cloud. As a result, clouds containing extra CCN tend to persist longer and perform their cooling function for a longer period of time.

The greater numbers of CCNs needed to enhance these several cooling phenomena are also produced by biological processes on land ( Went 1966; Duce et al. 1983; Roosen and Angione 1984; Meszaros 1988 ) and in the terrestrial environment, the volatilization of reduced-sulfur gases from soils is particularly important in this regard ( Idso 1990 ). Here, too, one of the ways in which the ultimate cooling effect is set in motion is by an initial impetus for warming. It has been reported, for example, that soil DMS emissions rise by a factor of two for each 5ºC increase in temperature between 10ºC and 25ºC ( Staubes et al. 1989 ) and, as a result of the enhanced microbial activity produced by increasing warmth ( Hill et al. 1978; MacTaggart et al. 1987 ), there is a 25 - fold increase in soil-to-air sulfur flux between 25 ºN and the equator ( Adams et al. 1981 ). Of perhaps even greater importance, however, is the fact that increased concentrations of atmospheric CO2 alone can initiate the chain of events that leads to cooling.


Con't on URL

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24732-2005Jan20.html

Extinction Tied to Global Warming
Greenhouse Effect Cited in Mass Decline 250 Million Years Ago

By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post Staff Writer
January 21, 2005

Scientists call it "the Great Dying," a 250 million-year-old catastrophe that wiped out 90 percent of ocean species and 70 percent of land species in the biggest mass extinction in Earth's geologic history.

The cause of this cataclysm is a matter of great dispute among paleontologists, but research released yesterday offers new evidence that global warming caused by massive and prolonged volcanic activity may have been the chief culprit.

Huge amounts of carbon dioxide were released into the air from open volcanic fissures known to geologists as the "Siberian Traps," researchers said, triggering a greenhouse effect that warmed the earth and depleted oxygen from the atmosphere, causing environmental deterioration and finally collapse.

A second set of findings suggested that the warming also crippled the oceans' ability to refresh their oxygen supply, causing the seas to go sterile, destroying marine life and allowing anaerobic bacteria (which do not require oxygen) to release poisonous hydrogen sulfide "swamp" gas into the air.

The two reports, prepared independently, both cast doubt on another theory -- that the Great Dying was caused by the impact of an asteroid or comet such as the one that triggered the extinction of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Both studies were published yesterday by Science Express, the online version of the journal Science.

"This is not a world that is happy and then goes 'Bang!' " said University of Washington paleontologist Peter D. Ward, leader of one of the two new studies. "This is a world that's in trouble for a long time, and then it gets in even worse trouble."

Ward led a team of scientists in a seven-year project to chronicle 126 fossil skulls in a 1,000-foot-thick deposit of sedimentary rock in southeastern South Africa's Karoo Basin. He said in a telephone interview that the samples included reptiles and some amphibians, ranging from dog-size animals to predatory gorgonopsians, which he described as "a hideous cross between a lion and a particularly nasty lizard."

Ward said the team's excavations showed a steady decline in the number of species over 10 million years, followed by a sudden plunge 250 million years ago at the boundary between the Permian and Triassic periods of geologic time. The interval corresponds to a period of prolonged volcanic activity over one-third of modern-day Siberia.

Temperatures climbed globally as carbon dioxide poured into the atmosphere and oxygen levels fell, forcing gasping animals to gather at sea level, he said. "And the plants are not dealing well with the heat" either, he added. "Eventually the imbalance reaches a critical point, and everything dies."

The warming also meant that polar oceans were not cooled as much as they are today, and the convection cycle that circulates cold, oxygen- and nutrient-rich water between the poles and the tropics was slowed and even stopped, according to the second paper by a team of researchers led by Kliti Grice of the Curtin University of Technology in Perth, Australia.

"This has devastating effects on the marine organisms that rely on oxygen and nutrients to survive," the team said in an e-mail. "In the worst-case . . . a major part of the water column above the sea floor is devoid of oxygen."

Analyzing sulfur and carbon isotopes from core samples taken from the ocean bed off the coast of northwestern Australia, the team detected molecular traces from green sulfur bacteria, known as Chlorobiaceae, at the time of the Great Dying.

"The beauty of these [bacteria] is that they require sunlight and an anoxic [oxygen-free] environment," said team member Steven Turgeon, an Oak Ridge National Laboratory geochemist. "Because they live so close to the surface, we're pretty sure that what's beneath is anoxic."

This combination of factors, which has also been detected in waters off southern China, indicates that large swatches of ocean below a depth of 300 feet -- the deepest that significant light can penetrate -- became sterile, and that the entire ocean may have been oxygen-free.

Just as important, the bacteria derive energy from sulfate compounds in seawater and vent poisonous hydrogen sulfide gas into the air, Turgeon noted in a telephone interview.

The Grice team did not address the cause of the lethal warming, but Ward said his team found no evidence of the residue that would have fallen after a comet or asteroid impact threw tons of dust into the air to trigger a sudden and catastrophic greenhouse effect.

Still, University of Rochester earth scientist Robert Poreda, a proponent of the impact theory, noted that the "absence of evidence" at Karoo Basin "does not constitute evidence of absence."

"We propose there was preexisting volcanism" that became much worse because of the seismic energy released by the asteroid or comet impact, he said. "Some people have thought it feasible, while others have been adamantly opposed."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://phytoplankton.ask.dyndns.dk/


Phytoplankton


Phytoplankton shown highly magnified Phytoplankton refers to the plant component of the plankton that drifts in the water column. The name comes from the Greek terms, phyton or "plant" and \\pi\\lambda\\alpha\\gamma\\kappa\\tau o\ u, meaning "wanderer" or "drifter". Most phytoplankton are too small to be individually seen with the unaided eye. However, when present in high numbers, their presence may appear as discoloration of the water. Phytoplankton, like other plants, obtain energy through a process called photosynthesis, and so must live in the well-lit surface layer (termed the euphotic zone) of an ocean, sea, or lake. Through photosynthesis, phytoplankton produce approximately 98% of atmospheric oxygen. Their cumulative energy fixation in carbon compounds (primary production) is the basis for the vast majority of oceanic (see chemosynthesis) and some freshwater food chains. One of the most remarkable and direct food-chains in the ocean is that of phytoplankton fed on by krill (a type of shrimp), fed on by baleen whales. One class of phytoplankton (coccolithophores) may also release significant amounts of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) into the atmosphere. The DMS is converted to sulfate and these sulfate molecules act as cloud condensation nuclei, increasing cloud cover.
See also: Algae

[Insurrectionchemistry]

"Through photosynthesis, phytoplankton produce approximately 98% of atmospheric oxygen."


One should not listen to suicidal degenerates, unless one wants to kill life in the oceans and the land species too.


8:9 and one third of the living creatures which were in the sea died. One third of the ships were destroyed.

[foot_soldier]

http://vh10018.v1.moc.gbahn.net/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=J5&Date=20050725&Category=NEWS05&ArtNo=507250326&Ref=AR&MaxW=500&MaxH=400&title=1

The Associated Press

Hannah Nevins, beachcombers coordinator with the Moss Landing Marine Lab, looks over a dead Brandt's cormorant on the beach at Natural Bridges State Park in Santa Cruz, Calif. Scientists are worried about an unusual weather pattern that has triggered a collapse of ocean plankton that form the basis of the marine food web along the Pacific Coast. Researchers from California to British Columbia are reporting a sharp increase in the deaths of birds that prey on small fish that feed on the plankton.

collapse 1.To fall down or inward suddenly; cave in. 2.To cease to function; break down suddenly.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

First, WMM connected.

Second, F_S is connecting.

Soon, Halva will.

Last, BC

Then Arianna is going to write more on target editorials.


The degenerates will loose and be shoved aside or sent to jails. One should not deny the coming holocaust.


Mission Accomplished by a cooperative effort.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/alkaline_foods.htm


A list of Acid / Alkaline Forming Foods
Your body pH affects everything...
Balancing the pH is a major step toward well-being and greater health.


The pH scale is from 0 - 14 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 healthy 8 9 10 11 12 13
14




Human blood pH should be slightly alkaline ( 7.35 - 7.45 ). Below or above
this range means symptoms and disease. A pH of 7.0 is neutral. A pH below 7.0
is acidic. A pH above 7.0 is alkaline.

An acidic pH can occur from, an acid forming diet, emotional stress, toxic
overload, and/or immune reactions or any process that deprives the cells of
oxygen and other nutrients. The body will try to compensate for acidic pH by
using alkaline minerals. If the diet does not contain enough minerals to
compensate, a build up of acids in the cells will occur.

An acidic balance will: decrease the body's ability to absorb minerals and
other nutrients, decrease the energy production in the cells, decrease it's
ability to repair damaged cells, decrease it's ability to detoxify heavy metals,
make tumor cells thrive, and make it more susceptible to fatigue and illness.
A blood pH of 6.9, which is only slightly acidic, can induce coma and death.

[stuart_allsop]

WMM and others are blowing you off, like a pesky fly at a picnic.Actually, it looks like quite the opposite: They just can't seem to handle what I'm giving them, just like you Jimbean. Like all kooks who are way out of their depth, you flat refuse to deal with teh ISSUES that I debate you on, and instead resort to the final defence of the intellectually challenged: ad hominem.

In other words, for the lingustically challenged such as Jimbob: You know that you can not beat me on the actualy points that I bring up, so you resort to pointless insults instead.

Go figure.

Allsops is a list hog, who dumps out profuse amounts, and says next to nothing. Saywhat, Jimboob? After all those pages of totally meaningless garbled pseudo-science blather that you have spoited, that not even your fellow chemmies are buying, you say that I am teh one "dumping out profuse amounts?" He he he.... I think you must be in training for a comedy act, right Jimbub?

Allsops is usually into distroying nature and man's perspective of it.Really? Pray, do tell me how it is that I'm "destroying nature", Jimburk!

Anyone that brings up chemtrails has to begin with the simple fact they were begun to correct for the loss of dimethyl sulfide from the oceans due to the UV damage to phytoplankton. Nope. Anyone that brings up chemtrails, has to begin with getting their head read!

Most people can walk out their front doors and look up and see that other something in the skies that is attemping to add more reflective clouds and add to the cooling effect. Yep. And most people call it for what it is: contrails. Only the chicken-little con-men, hoaxsters, scam artists and other low-lifes try to bamboozle the gullible into following their hoax.

Just as these international panels of scientists avoid telling that simple truth,Which panels would those be, Jimbimp?


DMS was essentially found by man back in the days of ole Moses, Riiiight! Moses had a chemistry lab hidden out there in the back of the Tabernacle, complete with spectrum analyzers and fume cupboards! Yup. For sure....

and expounded upon with ole Jesus in Revelations forecasts. Ummmm I hate to break this to you Jimbom, but Jesus didn[t write teh book of Revelations. He stars in it, sure, but he didn't write it. And he made no forecasts in it.

Persons like Allsops and Reynold preach hate rather than getting down to the roots for division.Nope. We just preach the truth, as supported by REAL evidence. By the way, what, Division did you want us to root for? You didn't say....

The US did things like nuke Japan to send a message to Russia's Stalin, that all of Europe was not to be part of Soviet expansion. Strange, but I rather thought they nuked Japan in order to force Japan to surrender...


The US fluoride problems are large, and they go right back to the times of the Egyptains and the Eye of HorusOh riight! I keep forgettign that Pharo was big on fluridation! Yup, he had all those fluridation plants feeding into the Nile. Riiight. That's where Moses learned it, of course.

for when humans well knew the health problems connected with the Pineal Gland and the loss of a sulfur enzyme.Sulfer is an enzyme? WOW! STOP PRESS! QUICK! Somebody call Science magazine and Nature, and the AMJ too! This is MAJOR news! Jimbib has discovered th sulfer is actually an enzyme!!!! Give the man a Nobel prize.... for STUPIDITY!


Some insist on twisting truth for money, ...... while you just do it for kicks, right Jimburp?

[stuart_allsop]

Phelps isn't presentable in terms of mainstream or mass-media politics.He isn't even presentable for open-house day at the loony-bin! I think they keep doubly locked up on those days, and probably heavily sedated too....

[stuart_allsop]

Et speaks like the typical drug headActually, he speaks quite eloquently, and with a certain amount of knowledge, reason, and logic. Which is very refershing for a chemmie, and gives me reason to hope that he won't be a chemmie for much longer: If he'll just keep thinking about the total implausability of the enormity of a conspiracy as big as "chemtrails" would have to be if it existed, then I think he'll come round. I also think he's honest enough that, when he finally does realize this, he will easily be able to admit that he was caught off-guard and led astray by the concept of chemtrails, but that he has since recovered his sanity and realized that he was jsut plain mislead in a moment of weakness.

I think we need to have MAD, Mothers Against Degenerates.Why bother? Jimplug's mom probably disowned him YEARS ago, as soon as she realized just how degenerate he is...

[Insurrectionchemistry]

buzzzz---call the exterminator.

[jayreynolds]

Reynolds is back to spamming the list with the same info he has listed how many times before when he can't support his misleading chemtrails and global warming flawed assumptions..
Jimbo, one would think YOU whouldn't be so afraid of ME quoting YOUR OWN WORDS, now would they?

However, as I see the simple fact that YOUR OWN WORDS show what a lunatic you are, and you resorted to a couple of pages of irrelevant copy/pastes, here are your own words again.

If any of it were true, you'd have at least some sort of proof for it instead of just wishing YOUR OWN WORDS would go away. But Jimbo, my old buddy, the simple fact is that those words are a bell rung which can't be unrung so easily, chump.

Now, be a good boy and EAT YOUR OWN DELUSIONS!
The following quotes are from Jim Phelps:
"The HAARP Project is another one and one that I also gave the name for."

"My studies on the atmosphere effects shut down the cold war."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I also solved the mystery behind the Tunguska Blast in 1908."

"My discovery that the G-protein effects of fluoride-metal complexes caused the AIDS epidemic set off a national emergency."

"I also walked on these volcanoes barefoot, just as Moses did in his time."

"It was via Jim Phelps' knowledge of these relevant issues on Global Climate change and old world warfare that the HAARP and chemtrail methods were conceived or invented."

"The invention of JP-8 jet fuel formula was also an inadvertent Icon for Jim Phelps..."

"I invented "nanoscience" and the revolution in small atom scale materials to effect global systems effects."

"Jim Phelps is the father of the nano- science revolution that started at ORNL in the mid-1980's."

"My nano-science discoveries are being used to control global warming and global health, and are the essences of global systems science. It uses the secrets of the Ark of the Covenant and the secrets of 5,000 year old Egyptian metals sciences."

"I have managed to end the production of Freon in the US due to these issues and one can see that Freon was banned by Congress just after my discoveries."

"I am the fail-safe for these problems, a kind of Egyptian Anubis watchdog for the feather balance of right vs wrong."

"Jim Phelps is the national lab person that discovered serious issues in terminal event theory of global systems, invented Star Wars weapons, forced the DOE to begin clean up of pollution damaging workers and communities, discovered the air pharmacology techniques [aka chemtrails], and forced the closure of K-25 and other DOE plants. My projects in the DOE and DOD are more classified than the H-bomb."

"Jim Phelps is the inventor of the HAARP project, the discover that the Earth's magnetic field is an MHD generator, the discover of the critical factors of fluoide's on health..."

"Jim Phelps invented systems that protect the health of animals and man on a scale that dwarfs what Moses attempted..."

"I invented the titanium technique, which essentially blocks the onset of fluorosis due to fluoride in the food and water chain."

"Today, my titanium air pharmacology invention keeps the cattle of the US from getting things like "Mad Cow" syndrome from the fallout of fluorides onto grass."

"I have the ranking most powerful weapon system design in Star Wars that literally taps the power from a Star."

"My studies also solved the basic issues on the cause of AIDS in 1985."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I had become more a destroyer of worlds, as Oppenheimer quoted from the "Gita."

"In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered one step removed from God.."

[stuart_allsop]

... here are your own words again.
Jay maybe Jimbo suffers from Daltonism, and needs a different color? Apparently, he just cannot discern red text.... Then again, maybe it's selective perception, and he cannot discern ANYTHING that makes him look like the fool that he clearly is. But if that's the case, it's hard to see how he would be able to shave in the morning... shades of Hollow Man....

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Mr Allsop, are you not aware that you are in the grips of a petrified Pineal Gland and are in no position to make any assumptions regarding the veracity of Mr Phelps character?

As a gesture of friendship, if you would be so kind as to step into my patented Jimbo Rasputin Way-Back-Machine, we might be able to induce your erring ancestors to give up their whoring ways & possibly instigate through pro-active manipulation of the Ancient Clemtrail Captain, Ramses the Spammed, to petition against the Salt Pillarization of your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents..

Do you not find that to be a worthy endeavor?

:)

[halva]

We had managed to get both Phelps and Reynolds (and company) off this forum.

Reynolds' repetitive mantra wasn't working for him any more.

You are the one who drove Phelps back here and got us back into this situation. I am not impressed by your achievements.

[stuart_allsop]

Mr Allsop, are you not aware that you are in the grips of a petrified Pineal Gland and are in no position to make any assumptions regarding the veracity of Mr Phelps character?

As a gesture of friendship, if you would be so kind as to step into my patented Jimbo Rasputin Way-Back-Machinehey now, wait there just a cotton-picking minute! Jimboop did NOT invent that time machine!!! I DID!!! When I was working at Area 51 (as a bottle-washer), and I caused the UFO's to crash by zappping them with my recently invented sub-space-warper discombobulator, and personally interviewed the aliens and examined their craft, I saw how their warp drive distorts time, so I borrowed a bit from their ship and I BUILT THAT MACHINE! Not him.

But then I knew too much so they made me leave, and then I had to promise to be a debunker forever, so hear I am.

Did I say too much?

:)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Since we are into free advertising---I like this one.

And it shows clearly what Reynolds, Allsops, and ET want covered up, doesn't it.

www.doewatch.com

Jim Phelps discovered the causation for aging, cancer, CFS, and HIV at The Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the mid 1980s. He found that Oak Ridge fluoride releases were affecting the Pineal gland's regulation of the night and day signaling that controlled the Pituitary's Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH). Further, that the fluorides combined in the body with aluminum to produce a TSH like G-protein effect that also upset the day-night regulation of thyroid hormones. This chemical damage process kept the cells of the body from powering down at night and caused depletion of the glutathione enzyme (Se-GSH) in the body and brain.

The GSH damage process then allowed toxic metals to build up in the body as the phase I and phase II glutathione clearance was impaired. The loss of the liver bile pathway placed more clearance of metals demand on the kidneys, which set the stage to metabolic acidosis and shift of the blood pH toward acid, which further impaired toxic metal clearance. The rise of the toxic metals caused the cell mitochondria to produce increased rates of free radicals, which required the up regulation of the superoxide dimutase enzymes (Mn-SOD). These enzymes employed all the trace metal manganese, which upset the production of the cytokine interferon (IFN) and the production of effective 2-5A RNase L enzymes.

The high oxidative stress in the cells caused the mutation of the 2-5A RNase L enzyme from its normal 83 kDa MW to an ineffectual 37 kDa MW. This is the prime enzyme within cells that kills viral RNA by cleaving it, sets up cell apoptosis, and calls in the NK and macrophage cells. The mutation of this enzyme is the prime effect that allows cancer viruses to grow, HIV to grow, and CFS problems with EBV, CMV, and mycoplasma to affect long-term health.

This process of slow damage to the Pineal gland from fluoride is the prime cause for all animal and human aging on planet Earth. It causes a slow shift of thyroid hormones into hyperthyroid and sets off a destructive pattern of toxic metals retention that continues until a large number of cells are no longer protected from internal pathogen infections, this causing death.

Jim Phelps' discovery of the etiology for cancers, aging, and chronic illness caused great problems for the Oak Ridge nuclear weapons plants that used fluoride to produce bomb uranium and slowly poisoned its workers health. The discovery also unlocked that the Ancient Egyptians knew this same process and that is was connected with their reverence toward the Pineal Gland and was represented by the Eye Of Horus icon. The discoveries gave greater insights into not only that the Egyptians found this dominant effect on human health and intelligence, but also showed how religion's Moses was connected with finding a Sulfur Cycle medicinal effect that also determines the weather and cooling of planet Earth.

These web pages are about key insights into those discoveries that affect everyone on planet Earth, but which have been covered up by Oak Ridge and its corrupted Govt. associations that have taken freedom from the citizens of the US.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva,

We did manage to show that ET has been teamed up with JR and Allsops, which means Swamp Gas has been working against CTC's chemtrails all along.

ET has been Reynolds buddy all along and both of them using even the same basic styles.


They really don't want the public to know that chemtrails came hand in hand with the discovery for the mechanism of cancer, CFS, and HIV. Because if the world discovered chemtrails were directly involved with that----they would be extremely upset---MAD.


But then the great Greek Mind of Wayne Hall surely thought of that long ago. Hence, he has been saving it for Reynolds return.

I hold all the aces and the best they have got is a few slimy bunkshooters. Chips off the old Elmer Gantry block, which is the ethics model for the GOP in the US.

Ace Card---knowledge of DMS and ocean Sulfur Cycle associated with UV and GW.
Ace Card---knowledge of the Cancer, CFS, HIV etiology associated with chemtrails.
Ace Card---knowledge of Jewish religion's missing elements that make them one.
Ace Card---knowledge that oxygen depravation, ocean life tied to UV, not CO2.


Now most people can well spot the menaces to society with that level of information.

[halva]

Since we are into free advertising---I like this one.

And it shows clearly what Reynolds, Allsops, and ET want covered up, doesn't it.

www.doewatch.com


You've given us this as a resource to explore and cross-check and I don't know why you feel you have to do anything else.

Certainly you do us no favours descending into the political arena where every half-wit cocksucker on the planet can take potshots at you and people like Reynolds can use you as a convenient shield for evading everything he does not want either himself or others to perceive.

Why don't you just concentrate on your DOE watch and post links to it here when you have said something new?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

What most people of intelligence would note is the slimey-bunkshooters are trying to cover up that phytoplankton control the dissolved oxygen in the oceans and thus sea life.

If the phytoplankton go down from the emissions of volcanoes or from UV, the fishes in the oceans die.

So, it was all the acids from volcanic emissions that killed the surface dwelling phytoplankton and screwed up the sulfur cycle and the ocean's oxygen content. All that CO-2 in the air just makes plants grow faster. But the acids kill the phytoplankon. Hence, chemtrails techniques rain more of the acids onto the land to keep that 98 % oxygen source working better.


Take the model up to today, CO-2 is supposed to make plants grow better. But we know the phytoplakton systems are dying and the sea life with them. The major cause for plankton death is the higher UV that kills them, and that takes down the ocean's oxygen right with it. And the atmopshere CO-2 rises in proportion.


And it all looks just like a warning from Revelations, from people that knew about the Sulfur Cycle some 2,000 years ago. Rather simple associations, which the degenerate slimy GOP bunkshooters want to attempt to pull the discussions off of.


But, which did not work. Now they are out in the open as being con-artists and criminals.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Sting is more than a musician.

Experiments here collect information.

I lead here Halva, not you.

If you fell that urge, run back to your thread to no-where and lead it.

[jayreynolds]

"Sting is more than a musician."
"Experiments here collect information."


De followin' quotes is from Bo-Jangles Phelps, dig dis:

"De HAARP Project be anoda' one and one dat ah' also gave da damn dojigger fo'."

"Mah' studies on de atmosphere effects shut waaay down de cold war. Ah be baaad..."

"I had succeeded in becomin' one uh de best uh de nuclear scientists and discovered some weapon dat wuz even wo'se dan de H-bomb. Co' got d' beat!"

"I also solved da damn mystery behind da damn Tunguska Blast in 1908."

"Mah' discovery dat da damn G-protein effects uh fluo'ide-metal complexes caused da damn AIDS epidemic set off some nashunal emergency. Slap mah fro!"

"I also walked on dese volcanoes barefoot, plum as Moses dun did in his time."

"It wuz via Bo-Jangles Phelps' knowledge uh dese relevant issues on Global Climate change and old wo'ld warfare dat da damn HAARP and chemtrail medods wuz conceived o' invented."

"De invenshun uh JP-8 jet fuel fo'mula wuz also an inadvertent Icon fo' Bo-Jangles Phelps..."

"I invented "nanoscience" and da damn revolushun in small atom scale materials t'effect global systems effects."

"Jim Phelps be de Big Daddy of de nano- science revolushun dat started at ORNL in de mid-1980's."

"Mah' nano-science discoveries is bein' used t'control global warmin' and global heald, and is de essences uh global systems science. It uses de secrets uh de Ark uh de Covenant and da damn secrets uh 5,000 year old Egyptian metals sciences."

"I gots managed t'end da damn producshun uh Freon in de US due t'dese issues and one kin see dat Freon wuz banned by Congress plum afta' my discoveries."

"I's gots'ta be de fail-safe fo' dese problems, some kind'a Egyptian Anubis watchdog fo' de feada' balance uh right vs wrong. What it is, Mama!"

"Jim Phelps be de nashunal lab sucka' dat discovered serious issues in terminal event deo'y uh global systems, invented Star Wars weapons, fo'ced da damn DOE t'begin clean down uh pollushun damagin' wo'kers and communities, discovered da damn air pharmacology techniques [aka chemtrails], and fo'ced da damn closho' man uh K-25 and oda' DOE plants. Mah' projects in de DOE and DOD is mo'e classified dan de H-bomb. Co' got d' beat!"

"Jim Phelps be de invento' uh de HAARP project, de discova' dat da damn Eard's magnetic field be an MHD generato', de discova' of de critical facto's uh fluoide's on heald..."

"Jim Phelps invented systems dat protect da damn heald uh animals and joker on some scale dat dwarfs whut Moses attempted..."

"I invented da damn titanium technique, which essentially blocks de onset uh fluo'osis due t'fluo'ide in de food and booze chain. 'S coo', bro."

"Today, mah' titanium air pharmacology invenshun keeps de cattle uh de US fum digtin' doodads likes "Mad Cow" syndrome fum de fallout uh fluo'ides onto grass."

"I gots de rankin' most powerful weapon system design in Star Wars dat literally taps de powa' from some Star. Ah be baaad..."

"Mah' studies also solved da damn basic issues on de cause uh AIDS in 1985."

"I had succeeded in becomin' one uh de best uh de nuclear scientists and discovered some weapon dat wuz even wo'se dan de H-bomb. Co' got d' beat!"

"I had become mo'e some destroya' of wo'lds, as Oppenheima' quoted fum de "Gita. WORD!"

"In de DOE, Bo-Jangles Phelps be considered one step removed fum God.."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It seems we see Reynods gasping for breath again and running low on active brain cells, since he can't seem to make technical comment on the oceans being oxygen deprived by UV damage to phytoplankton. Hard to defeat a simple truth like that one. Phytoplankton are just as sensitive to acids as UV, and just like the acid shifts in pH kill humans--so it does ocean surface phytoplankton.

"The pH scale is from 0 - 14 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 healthy 8 9 10 11 12 13 14"




Ja, ja---and we have special place reserved at Git-mo for you. And your GOP buddies that make money from the cover up of environmental disasters.

Guess all that need for farming and little ole ladies at the Nursing Home that you fed BC doesn't look like your priority these days. Weeds are taking over the organic farm, cause he is off in the coffin with Bush doing something nasty.

Looks more like save the GOP and your butt from Git-mo.


When Reynolds can't drown out the truth---he lives in fear like Nixon from his associations with the GOP crooks. The GOP's best plumber on chemtrails is Reynolds----and his criminal aspirations are showing.


Just wait till you get to read all about it in the Washington Post, and on Arianna's.


Just a little note from the fella that discovered the root cause of cancer, CFS, and HIV that the degenerate GOP types like the Reynolds mass genocide types like to cover up.

[jayreynolds]

An interesting feature of the Web is called the "Wayback Machine".

It is an actual archive of past versions of websites which can show the eveolution of the site's content over time. Here is a link to archived versions of Jimbogangles Phelps website between 1998 and 2004.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.members.aol.com/doewatch

What is interesting to note is that Jimbo made no mention of his DMS or being the inventor of "chemtrails" fantasies.

WHY IS THAT, JIMBO?
WHY AREN'T YOUR CLAIMS CONSISTENT?
IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE JUST MAKING THIS STUFF UP AS YOU GO ALONG!

You need the assistance of a mental health professional, Jimbo.
Do it now and stick with it this time.
You can do better than this.
Jay

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Reynolds seems to be stuck----as he can't dismiss the dimethyl sulfide effects on health or environment.

It was the original need for chemtrails remediation of the ozone hole UV damage to the planet.

Yes, Reynolds has thrown in the towel. Given up on discussion of science.

He has given up, because he can't seem to dismiss the phytoplankton connections to global warming.


The more you dodge the phytoplankton issue the more BC and everyone else notices it.

BC is going to really be mad unless you get with the science and then even she'll win the debate just by looking at all the animals in the sea needing oxygen.


Then she'll get with little ole Arianna and really ruin your century.

Won't it be so nice to see Arianna start her blog with GOP cover up on environmental factors exposed.

Wonderful indeed.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

DuPonts troubles have only just begun with this poisoning the water thing near Parkersburg, as when the whole DuPont story gets told on UV and global warming----DuPont becomes the company that brought the world an environmental holocaust with its Freon.



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/business/yourmoney/24teflon.html?pagewanted=
print


July 24, 2005
Will Environmental Fear Stick to DuPont's Teflon?
By AMY CORTESE

WHEN DuPont agreed to pay more than $100 million last fall to settle a
lawsuit contending that its factory near Parkersburg, W. Va., had fouled local
supplies of drinking water, some investors hoped to close the book on pollution
caused by an important ingredient used in processing Teflon.

But that was before a group of scientists advising the Environmental
Protection Agency determined earlier this month that the ingredient, perfluorooctanoic
acid, also known as PFOA or C8, was a "likely carcinogen," or cancer-causing
agent. That finding could compel the E.P.A. to formally regulate the chemical.

It could also complicate DuPont's position in two matters: a criminal
investigation into whether it hid tests showing a public health threat, and a
class-action suit filed last week on behalf of people who bought Teflon-coated
cookware.

There is no hard evidence that Teflon-coated cookware - or any other products
that incorporate Teflon, from clothing to cleansers to fast-food packaging -
poses the same threat as PFOA. For its part, DuPont has long maintained that
there is no evidence that either Teflon or PFOA pose a serious threat.

Still, increased regulation or a successful class-action suit would be a
heavy blow to one of DuPont's most successful and profitable businesses. According
to the suit, which was filed in several states by two Florida law firms,
DuPont nets an estimated $200 million in profit a year from sales of Teflon. The
scientific panel's finding could also be bad news for the chemical industry in
general if it fuels debate over the use of chemicals in industrial and
consumer products, and their potential link to diseases like cancer and to
reproductive disorders.

Such concerns have prompted the European Union and Canada to tighten controls
on chemical use and labeling. The United States has not taken such steps, in
part because the chemical industry offered in the late 1990's to start a
voluntary testing program for chemicals produced in volumes of one million pounds
or more a year.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

This one has to be one of my all time favorites, since we are going my pages some.


http://members.aol.com/doewatch/godcurves.html

The GOD CURVES

By: J. E. Phelps
Copyright 2005

One of the most important concepts to understand and master is the information pertaining to what I call "The God Curves." One should have read most all the other DOEWatch material before attempting to get into the understanding of these essential concepts that either make civilization viable or crash on planet Earth. It appears this information was known long ago, when people on Earth lived much longer and had very much higher cognitive brain function. It was rediscovered in the mid 1980s in the super toxic environment for the making of the atomic and hydrogen bombs.

In the early 1940s, no one expected that the super secret atomic bomb plant to enrich uranium tucked into the Tennessee Valley's hills near a town called Wheat would become known for the rediscovery for the God Curves. The Oak Ridge gas diffusion plant operated in a cloud driven by water cooling methods used for a plant that absorbed the power of three huge TVA coal fired plants to make "The Bomb." This cloud or fog around the plant captured the HF emission leaks from the process and exposed the entire worker population and even the city of Oak Ridge to higher levels of fluoride.

It was this long term low dose effect on this population that allowed for the discovery of what is called in Oak Ridge as The God Curve. Parts of the secrets are sealed up in documents called "Project F," which speak to the dangers of fluoride leaks to the environment and the health effects on workers. The biggest problem is that fluorine will build in the bone mass in a trace mineral depleted population, and this is the case for most of the US.

The higher fluoride exposures in Oak Ridge made an increased rate of fluoride building in the bone mass, and with this effect comes the depletion of beneficial trace metals used in the enzyme repair process of the immune cells. Fluorides building in the bone and its extremely high affinity to react with metals in the bone created a monster problem that leads to immune dysfunction, brain damage, illness, rapid aging, and early death.





This graph is the simplest of the God Curves with which to begin. It shows that with increasing age of a person that the fluoride levels retained in the bone mass and Pinial Gland rise with increasing age. With this rise in fluorides in the body there is a decline of essential hormones called metatonin and serotonin. Fluorides were well known as antagonistic toward these two very important hormones.

In Oak Ridge, part of this equation was discovered early on due to the issue of the workers having strong sexual urges, due to higher levels of nitric oxide, NO. This caused the offices, labs and work zones to all have their glass walls changed to clear glass to discourage such on the job activities. Metatonin antagonism due to fluoride was part of the problem, and more related to the pinial glands control of the pituitary gland and thyroid hormones.

Melatonin is very high in young people, and with that comes excellent brain function and learning skills, and a very low need for sex. Loss of melatonin and puberty are well associated. And with continued loss of melatonin levels comes an inhibition of the power to learn.

In the bottom curve that speaks to Zero Population Growth, ZPG, one can begin to associate that fluoride essentially drives the age of puberty and the onset of sexual drive desires to multiply. So, if one can control the fluoride levels in the population, one can also control the population growth rates.

The best operating point for civilizations is in the left hand part of this zone, where the fluoride exposures are low, the melatonin and serotonin levels are high. Unfortunately, the point that we operate in the US and most of the world these days is the right hand area of the curves, where populations soar and illnesses, diseases, tension, and wars control population growth. The left has the connotation for "heaven" and the right the connotation for "hell."

The left side is also connected back in ancient times to the power for Divine thought and the higher cognitive processes that promote peace and happiness for civilizations. It is the high state of knowledge or enlightenment and associated with the all-knowing power for the Gods. In Ancient Egypt the Pineal Gland was represented by the "Eye of Horus" icon.

The following curve is an even more detailed look at the factors connected to the divine state, or The God Curves.

[halva]

BC is going to really be mad unless you get with the science and then even she'll win the debate just by looking at all the animals in the sea needing oxygen.


Then she'll get with little ole Arianna and really ruin your century.

Won't it be so nice to see Arianna start her blog with GOP cover up on environmental factors exposed.

Wonderful indeed.

Let's not fantasise too much about Arianna.

It would be nice to think that we can generate a momentum that will eventually sweep her up too.

But we don't gain the power to do this just by proclaiming the intention here on her forum.

[jayreynolds]

Let's not fantasise too much about Arianna.

It would be nice to think that we can generate a momentum that will eventually sweep her up too.

But we don't gain the power to do this just by proclaiming the intention here on her forum.
You are quite correct, Wayne. She might have better things to do than think about you nutters on her messageboard. Still, the possibility exists that she visits and/or posts anonymously.

If so, she is undoubtedly well aware of your promotion of "Dr. Judah Ben Hur", "Deep Shield", Brian Holmes, and now Jimbogangles Phelps. She might also be aware of your malfeasance and subsequent removal as moderator of her forum here.

I think THAT pretty much tells the story about how Arianna would see things, but do your best if you will. For my part, the more exposure you get, the worse you look!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I think the story is becoming very clear. In place of keeping up the garden and going down to the nursing home---Wayne Hall takes priority with Reynolds.


It is also clear now that Reynolds and all his gang of degenerates have lost the debate on Global Warming being a Natural Event. Global Warming is a direct effect from Man's Pollution of the planet with chemicals (particularly DuPont's Freon) that raised the UV levels and started killing off the phytoplankton.

These ocean systems cover 2/3 of the surface of the Earth and determine the levels of oxygen in oceans, as well as the concentrations of CO-2 in the atmosphere. All driven by UV levels.


Reynolds has lost the debate and just can't admit total defeat on all counts.


BC will come along eventually and be humiliated for ever speaking up for Reynolds, and be embarrased for herself being taken in by such chicanery.


Things get totally obvious when the UV, phytoplankton, and DMS effects get on the table. Then everyone sees the bunkshooters.

When God ran Reynolds off the Hess island, it was only the beginning of Reynolds fall from paradise and grace. No one will remember him in the long scheme of things for being anything other than someone propagating hoaxes for the GOP.

Jails do that for crooks.

[halva]

I think the story is becoming very clear. In place of keeping up the garden and going down to the nursing home---Wayne Hall takes priority with Reynolds.


Yes, this is true, and it must be very disappointing for people who unlike me are interested in him.

As I told Mike, and BC, who clearly find him fascinating and educative, Raynolds is utterly bored by people who like him.

He talks only to people who don't want to talk to him.

I am his number one favourite, because I wish him in hell.

I succeeded in silencing him and marginalising him and only failed to keep him away now because there were others who by their own admission wanted him back.

But when he came back he talked not to them but to me.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Yes, you are clearly number one with Reynolds.

I am perhaps second place for wanting he and his supporters in jail, which is close enough to hell.

Reynolds efforts are always highest toward those that don't buy the GOP line.

The only thing is I can get him there with exposing his cover ups on well known Sulfur Cycle relationships. He can't win that with the omissive BS lines that impressed rather lowly informed Mike and BC in the past.


Reynolds has lost the game, and he knows it.

Now comes his supporters having to admit their being duped.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva,

Isn't it interesting when drug users look into the skies to blame chemtrails, then fail to look into their own abused lungs for the lines of "coke" they used, which was usually cut with aluminum baking powder.

Just like ole Swamp Gas and his drug buddies to be selling this excuse to them.

Aluminum in the lungs acts and absorbs much differently than from the gut. Aluminum aggravates the lungs and retards the immune system. Cuts the melatonin and serotonin. Causes temperment problems. Lowers ability to reason.

I know lots of these ole druggies and they all have severe lung problems and they rattle when they sleep at night. To breathe, they have to pay up for the AMA drugs.

Work in smokey bars and have a few drinks, and the problems grow much worse.

Eat poor diets with more aluminum from the acid rain, pushes them down still faster. Take some mercurisol flu shots and some alum adjuvant vaccines and a life of chronic illness for AMA profits is guraranteed.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

A curious thing about some Spanish fella coming to the "New Continent" looking for the "Fountain of Youth," and finding one nice clean spring down in Florida. Is that the real fountain of youth was right under his boat----the nice kelp and sea weed. In Oriental Countries that eat sea-weed, they all live 20 years longer and think well beyond the US in academic levels. They are beating the tar out of the US on all activities.

It is again curious that some seem to think their problems is from above, when it was really from within and by their own hand. Sniffing aluminum does permananet damage. And when that damage happens to females, it usually transmits to the next generation and the abuse problem continues.


Hence, the name for this thread being about those on CTC that use "chemtrails as an excuse to cover up drug abuse." And those on CTC that think chemtrails cause droughts that endangers people on planes. CTC is out getting druggies and telling them the sky is causing their health problems that stem from drugs. CTC deals in fraud.

And ET says: "one night years & years ago down in Key West when me & a couple of friends were taking LSD"

Now, he is all worried about salt.

Plus,

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397&page=730&pp=10

#7298

ET states:

"I see persistent contrails dispersing into artificial Cirrus over me all the time, but I have no way of quantifying what the material dispersing actually IS. I have read that early on MANY people got sick, but there is no direct link to a spraying program. Because you get sick when the sun rises does not mean the sun made you ill. I say this full on recognizing that the last 4 years or so I have experienced a SHARP increase in pulmonary disorders as have many people I have observed.

I see things with my own eyes that bother the hell out of me, but I have not been able to reconcile that vision with documented admissions of a spraying program anywhere. This is troubling to me, and I know that we have shifty bastards in power, but the bottom line is if you can't prove it, you can't prove it."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay Reynolds supports the volcanoes killed the ozone layers 250,000 years ago from the Siberian volcanic fields and their injection of chlorine and fluorine into the upper atmosphere:


http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27255

"Pronounced ozone losses have occurred for shorter periods of time, e.g. in the few years after the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo (Gleason et al., 1993) and over the Arctic during six of the past nine winters (Müller et al., 1997; Rex et al., 1997; Stolarski, 1997), with correspondingly higher measured UV-B radiation levels (e.g. Kerr and McElroy, 1993; Fioletov and Evans, 1997"


Guess Reynolds just shot down Alsops non-sense. Acids and high UV kills the phytoplankton and the CO-2 goes up. No humans or industries needed.

But when humans doe the same thing-----CO-2 still goes up.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

And ET says: "one night years & years ago down in Key West when me & a couple of friends were taking LSD"

It was pretty good stuff, too. I even saw the creature of the Black Lagoon that night.

:p

Never mind the fact that it was 15 years ago when I was like 17 years old..

:rolleyes:

But if that's the best you got, Jimbo, by all means pimp it, holmes..You talk about how the local druggy guys all wheeze in their sleep..How on earth would you know about that, Lover Boy?

:shock:

By the way, we're all still waiting to hear the story about how Eastlund committed industrial conspiracy & stole your much covetted HAARP patent..

:)

[stuart_allsop]

You need the assistance of a mental health professional, Jimbo.
Do it now and stick with it this time.
You can do better than this.
JaySadly, Jay, I fear it is way too late for that. After that last round of jibberish posts, I think he may just have flipped totally. Jimbim is not even making complete sentences any more, and the grammatical structure is falling apart, worse with each post.

I think he's over the edge already. I doubt that there is much medical science can do for him now.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I doubt that there is much medical science can do for him now.

Treat him for rabies, maybe? At the least provide a sanitary cloth for his foaming mouth..

:)

[Insurrectionchemistry]

F_S takes the que and is onto the UV stuff----WMM's got it-----and the remaing Three Stooges can't keep from poking each others eyes out.

Hilarious.

Reynolds boots Allsops big claims on ancient volcanoes.


Back to the old folks home for Reynolds---maybe he can fool them.
Take wheezer with you---he might boost your chances.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

As one can easily find on the internet that---DOD's Ft. Detrick folks speak the very same language as I with respect to the GWI and the other fluoride effect mysterious illnesses.


Little Farmers can't follow these high level issues, nor can they carry on informed and intelligent discussions for chemtrials, climate change, global warming, sulfur cycle, etc.


Persons like Reynolds seek to deceive Americans in their mutual interests of slick profits for the corrupted GOP.


http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000056.htm

DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
US ARMY MEDICAL RESEARCH AND MATERIEL COMMAND
504 SCOTT STREET
FORT DETRICK, MARYLAND 21702-5012


REPLY TO
ATTENTION OF:
MRMC-RCQ-E 6 February 1998
MEMORANDUM FOR Program Director, Health and Performance
Research, ATTN: MRMC-PLC (LTC Friedl),
504 Scott St, Fort Detrick, MD 21702-5012

SUBJECT: Overlooked Factors in Gulf War Illness Research

1.References:

a. Abou-Donia, M.B.; "Long-Term Effects of Subchronic Exposure to Sarin,
Alone and With Stress or Other Chemicals," Proposal No. 97051005.

b. Varner, J.A.; Hute, C.W.; Horvath, W.J.; Jensen, K.F.; and Isaacson, R.L.;
"Chronic AlF3 Administration, II. Selected Histological Observations."
Neuroscience Research Communication, 13(2),99-104(1993)(Encl 1).

c. Luke, J.A.; "Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland."
Abstract in Caries Research, 28, 204 (1994)(Encl 2).

d. Mullenix, P.J.; Denbesten, P.K.; Schunior, A.; and Kernan, W.J.;
"Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride." Neurotoxicology and Teratology, 17(2),
169-177(1995)(Encl 3).

e. Isaacson, R.L.; Varner, J.A.; and Jensen, K.F.; "Toxin-induced Blood
Vessel Inclusions Caused by the Chronic Administration of Aluminum and Sodium
Fluoride and Their Implications for Dementia." Annals of the New York Academy of
Sciences, 825, 152-166(1997)(Encl 4).

f. Kambam, J.R.; Parris, W.C.V.; Naukam, R.J.; Franks, J.J.; and Rama Sastry,
B.V.; "In Vitro Effects of Fluoride and Bromide on Pseudocholinesterase and
Acetylcholinesterase activities." Canadian Journal of Anaesthesia, 37(8),
916-919 (1990)(Encl 5).

g. Spittle, B.; "Psychopharmacology of Fluoride: A Review." International
Clinical Psychopharmacology, 9, 79-82(1994)(Encl 6).

2. Recommendation:

MRMC include a focus on fluoride effects on the brain as a component of the
Gulf War Research Program. Contact Dr. Phyllis Mullenix (508-475-9196) for
additional information. Dr. Mullenix conducted the neurotoxicity study in Ref d.
She is available to answer questions, and/or give a briefing.

3. We have just funded a study "... to assess the possible long-term, delayed
toxic effects of low-level, subclinical exposure to the nerve agent sarin,
alone, or in combination with other factors. These factors include stress, heat,
pyridostigmine bromide (PB), DEET, and permethrin, all of which are
conditions that American Soldiers may have been exposed to during the Persian Gulf
War." [Ref a].

4. The effects of fluoride and aluminum fluoride are even more important for
the ultimate object of this study - soldiers. Soldiers (and Americans in
general) are exposed throughout their life to both aluminum and fluoride in doses
similar to those shown in the referenced animal studies. Based on these
studies, one could assume that soldiers may already have incurred sub-clinical damage
and carry a significant body burden of fluoride in the brain. This
precondition may have been a factor in Gulf War Illness, and this possibility should be
a factor in the design of any study purporting to address the effects of sarin
and other factors that may have affected soldiers in the Gulf War. The fact
that sarin itself hydrolyzes to fluoride adds an additional incentive to the
need for study.

5. Varner [Ref b] found that rats fed AlF3 in their drinking water at 0.5 ppm
had more than twice the levels of aluminum in the brain than controls, and
there were "... significant reductions in the number of neurons in the
hippocampal CA1 and CA3 ..." [The hippocampus is associated with memory and behavior.]
and "... the cells of the hippocampal formation appeared disorganized and many
cells in all subdivisions stained excessively for Nissil-like proteins and
that may reflect cellular dysfunction ..." Also, "... observations suggest that
the cerebral blood flow may be compromised during AlF3 toxicity and that this
could lead to reduced metabolic activities throughout most if not all of the
brain."

6. Luke [Ref c] found that fluoride deposited in the pineal gland. The
results of her study "... suggest F has an inhibitory effect on the melatonin
biosynthetic pathway."

7. According to Mullenix [Ref d], fluoride levels increased significantly in
various regions of the brain of rats exposed pre or post-natally to fluoride
in their drinking water. Serum levels in the rats were similar to those in
humans exposed to 5 ppm in their drinking water. Mullenix found that severe
behavioral disruption increased as plasma fluoride levels increased. Mullenix noted
that "... the behavioral changes from fluoride exposure are consistent with
interrupted hippocampal development." She found that animals exposed as adults
became hypoactive. This phenomena has already been reported in workers exposed
to fluoride [Ref g].

8. Just last year, Isaacson [Ref 4] reported on an experiment using NaF
alone. He found that fluoride in drinking water at 1.0 ppm (the level recommended
for drinking water) increased the level of aluminum in the brain by almost 75%.
Isaacson theorized that the fluoride complexed with the aluminum in the feed
forming AlF3 which then penetrated into the brain. [Humans, of course, also
have aluminum in their food]. In the NaF treated animals, they found neuronal
abnormalities. Cells were distorted and cell losses in different regions of the
brain were noted. This paper also discussed the previous study on AlF3 [Ref b]
noted that both AlF3 treated animals and NaF animals were found to have "...
general impairment in the immune capacities of the treated subjects."

9. More importantly, when placed under stress, AlF3 treated animals died. "It
was as if an already diminished immune capacity was unable to tolerate the
addition of the stress induced by the behavioral manipulations."

10. Point of contact is the undersigned X2004.

ROBERT J. CARTON, PH.D.

Environmental Coordinator

6 Encls
as

CF:

MCMR-RCQ (COL Bartz)
MCMR-ZC (COL Browne)
MCMR-JA (LTC Miller)
MCMR-ZX (COL Platoff)
MCHD-ZA (COL Kincaid)

[jayreynolds]

Jimbo, "Gulf War Syndrome" doesn't exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2935806.stm

I see you have become the laughingstock over at CTC:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg86161.html#86161

Gulf War Syndrome 'does not exist'


Gulf veterans were at greater risk of post-traumatic stress disorder
There is no such thing as Gulf War Syndrome, an official scientific study has concluded.
The Medical Research Council (MRC) said there was "little evidence" the illnesses of campaign veterans were caused by the multiple vaccinations they received.

The government-funded body also said there was no evidence of a link between veterans' symptoms and the use of depleted uranium shells or nerve agents.

But the study was dismissed by the Gulf Veterans and Families Association, which said: "How can the MRC say that Gulf War Syndrome does not exist when it appears in the Royal College of Medicine encyclopaedia?"

The study is a second setback for former UK troops this week, coming days after veterans of Northern Ireland, the Falklands, Bosnia and the first Gulf War lost a compensation claim for the after-effects of trauma suffered in the line of duty.

Although earlier this month the families' association learned it could receive £300,000 of Lotto funding, a move which it claimed as official backing for its campaign to prove Gulf War Syndrome exists.

Nerve agents

The MRC report, which reviewed all scientific data into the veterans' illnesses and did not carry out its own medical research, concluded: "There is no unique Gulf War Syndrome."

This review shows there is no case to justify a separate Gulf War Syndrome

Lewis Moonie

It said symptoms suffered by veterans were similar, despite varying exposures to vaccination, nerve agents, oil fire smoke and other potential hazards.

"In short there is no evidence from UK orientational research for a single syndrome related specifically to service in the Gulf," the report states.

The symptoms - which include tiredness, headaches, lack of concentration, memory loss and numbness or weakness - were shared by non-Gulf veterans, the scientists said.

They accepted that Gulf veterans were at increased risk of suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, but since this affected about 3% of them it could not have caused the illnesses of all those claiming to have Gulf War Syndrome - a much larger group.

"Depression and alcohol are much more important health risk factors," the report says.

'No case'

Charles Plumridge, a senior Gulf Veterans and Families Association co-ordinator, said: "It is exactly what we have come to expect from the MoD and government-funded research.

"If you look at the record of MoD over the last few years they have only funded research which comes out in their own favour."

Armed Forces Minister Lewis Moonie said the MRC findings would not save the MoD money, because veterans were paid according to their disabilities.

"This review shows there is no case to justify a separate Gulf War Syndrome," he said.

An MoD spokeswoman added: "Just because the MRC cannot find evidence for Gulf War Syndrome doesn't mean veterans who came back from the first Gulf War in 1991 and fell ill won't be paid out.

"What we dispute is that there is just one syndrome."

The MRC inquiry was launched in 2002 after the MoD asked for expert advice, and reviewed all worldwide research on the illnesses.

[Boomer Chick]

Excuse me Jay, but Gulf War Illness most certainly does exist.

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/

http://www1.va.gov/gulfwar/

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html

***

I'm just reviewing past posts and catching up here.

Excellent link, Et !

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/index.htm

One of the most confirming scientific statements regarding anthropogenic radiative forcing: check the graphics and grids!

The largest, single, known radiative forcing change over the past century is from the increase in CO2, driven primarily by the burning of fossil fuel. Figure 6-3 shows the change in CO2 over the past 1,000 years; the CO2 concentration increased from about 280 ppmv in 1850 to about 360 ppmv in 1990. Figure 6-4 shows six IPCC projections for anthropogenic emissions of CO2 (labeled IS92a-f) and predicted atmospheric CO2 concentrations. We take the central case, IS92a, as the future scenario with which to compare aircraft effects. The central aircraft scenario (Fa1) assessed here matches the economic assumptions of IS92a. Radiative forcing for IS92a is shown in Figure 6-5a, including total radiative forcing and individual contributions.

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/067.htm

The above quote is one of many on a vast array of scientific links, both goverment, university, and international scientific links. Heaven knows we've posted enough on this for any truth seeker to realize there's something going on in relation to greenhouse gases and that doesn't rule out other factors as well.

Specifically regarding aircraft emissions:

Comparing projected IS92a carbon emissions from fossil fuels in Figure 6-6, CO2 emissions from aircraft in 1990 account for about 2.4% of the total; they are projected to grow to about 3% (Fa1) or more than 7% (Eab) of all fossil fuel carbon emissions by 2050. Sustained growth in air traffic demand (5%/yr compounded) envisaged in Edh would lead to an aviation fraction of more than 10% by 2050. By comparison, the entire transportation sector is currently about 25% of the total (see discussion in Chapter 8). Clearly, different economic projections, as well as uncertainties in predicting demand for air travel and aviation's ability to meet that demand, can alter this aviation fraction by more than a factor of 2. Technology option 2 (low-NOx engines, Fa2) increases this fuel fraction slightly to 3.2%, and the HSCT option increases this fraction from 3.1% (Fa1) to 3.6% (scenario Fa1H, assuming no change in air traffic demand) by the year 2050.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/069.htm


I'm posting again about the DMS and sulfur cycle:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=342026&postcount=23

IC:
Yet here he says jets emit sulfur chemicals---thus chemtrails not contrails is the proper term

Interesting, IC. Water vapor and crystals are big part of contrails emissions, also. Not just chemicals. See Et's
link above and get all the emissions particles straight. Yes, acid, H2SO4 and it does rain down from the troposphere.

http://www.microbiology.science.ru.nl/research/sulfur/
Research centers around the sulfur cycle and especially its interaction with the carbon cycle. Volatile sulfur compounds are often produced during anaerobic biodegradation. Production and consumption of these compounds is studied in freshwater sediments and mangroves. These volatile sulfur compounds are very malodorous and toxic, and are also produced in a number of industrial processes. Research is focussed on:

Production and degradation of volatile organic sulfur compounds
Regulation of metal toxicity in wetlands
Biofiltration for removal of volatile sulfur compounds (VOSC)
The volatile organic sulfur compounds studied have a major impact on global warming and acid precipitation processes

Sulfur regarding aircraft emissions:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Laureleye/sulfurcycle.gif
Figure 3-1: Aerosol and contrail formation processes in an aircraft plume and wake as a function of plume age and temperature.

Sulfur content in aircraft emissions:
Aviation fuels (kerosene) contain sulfur in trace amounts. In the current world market, the sulfur content-hence the EI(S)-of aviation fuels is near 0.4 g S/kg fuel or 400 parts per million by mass (ppm; 1 ppm = 0.0001%), with an upper limit specification of 3 g S/kg (Chapter 7). Of importance for the formation of plume aerosol is the partitioning of sulfur at the engine exhaust nozzle into sulfur dioxide (SO2) and fully oxidized sulfur S(VI) compounds, sulfur trioxide and sulfuric acid (S(VI) = SO3 + H2SO4). Most fuel sulfur is expected to be emitted as SO2 based on combustion kinetics and some observations (Miake-Lye et al., 1993, 1998; Arnold et al., 1994; Schumann et al., 1998). However, a fraction of the SO2 can be converted into S(VI) by gas phase chemical reactions with OH, oxygen atoms (O), and H2O inside the engine. The fractional conversion depends on details of combustion conditions, turbine flow properties, blade cooling effects (Chapter 7), and mixing (Chapter 2). Further oxidation can occur in the plume, where the rate-limiting step is thought to be oxidation of SO2 by OH to form SO3 (Stockwell and Calvert, 1983) or liquid-phase reactions of SO2 with H2O2, O3, metals (Jacob and Hofmann, 1983), or HNO3 (Fairbrother et al., 1997). Once SO3 is formed, the gas-phase reaction with emitted H2O to form H2SO4 is fast (< 0.1 s) under plume conditions (Reiner and Arnold, 1993; Kolb et al., 1994; Lovejoy et al., 1996). Gaseous H2SO4 and HSO4-(H2SO4)n (mostly with n = 1,2) ion clusters have been observed in jet exhaust (Frenzel and Arnold, 1994; Arnold et al., 1998a,b).

The chemical lifetime of exhaust OH in the early jet regime is determined by reactions with emitted NOx and by OH self-reactions, the latter leading to the formation of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) (Kärcher et al., 1996a; Hanisco et al., 1997). Measurements indicate OH exit concentrations below 1 ppmv (Tremmel et al., 1998). For an OH concentration of 0.5 to 1 ppmv at the engine's nozzle exit plane and without SO3 emissions, the OH-induced pathway alone yields about 0.3 to 1% S-to-H2SO4 conversion in the plume (Miake-Lye et al., 1993; Danilin et al., 1994; Kärcher et al., 1996a). Model calculations indicate overall S(VI) conversion fractions in the range of 2 to 10% for various supersonic and subsonic jet engines (Brown et al., 1996a; Lukachko et al., 1998; Chapter 7), consistent with some earlier SO3 measurements behind gas turbines (e.g., CIAP, 1975; Hunter, 1982).

Nice link, IC, on DMS and large particulate distribution promoting cloud nucleation:

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publicati...real_world.html

Great post, IC, on CCN:

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=344467&postcount=253

"Through photosynthesis, phytoplankton produce approximately 98% of atmospheric oxygen."

Regarding this post, IC, would you please elaborate for me. I want to hear your associations of sulfur emissions related to CO2 and the consequent loss of ozone which kills the plankton. Are there some steps missing here?

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=344665&postcount=272

Sting is more than a musician.
Why did you mention Sting? I happened to have listened to him and watched his 2001 DVD at the dentist's office last week. And just tonight I watched that same DVD to the end, here at home. What made you say this, Jim?

Guess Reynolds just shot down Alsops non-sense. Acids and high UV kills the phytoplankton and the CO-2 goes up. No humans or industries needed.

But when humans do the same thing-----CO-2 still goes up.

IC, I posted about the ozone degradation earlier regarding the SAGE project, remember that link? I wanted you to read it and comment, but you never did. Please, if you want me to get onboard and listen to you, you really should answer my questions and read my contributions. I read yours.

OMG, this is scary! I'm serious:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=345835&postcount=292

OK, so now that you boys have calmed down a bit, we can resume with the science? IC, even though you may be mad, I am making connections and trying to follow you. If you would please reiterate your total concept regarding plankton, ozone depletion, sulfur, and DMS, that would be great. Your flouride posts relate mostly to flouride in our water and in our food chain, but I don't see how it relates to aviation emissions. Please help me on this. Yes, the acids rain down, but where does flouride come in? Yes, you were right about CFC's in breaking down the ozone. Please read my contributions and respond to them and answer my questions?

Thanks!

[jayreynolds]

Excuse me Jay, but Gulf War Illness most certainly does exist.

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/

http://www1.va.gov/gulfwar/

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html


BC, the veterans of the gulf war suffer illnesses, as did those of the civil war, and those such as yourself who have never been to war, at the same or even smaller rate. The first two links do not say anywhere that any syndrome related to the war exists, the third is a quack link.

This is what your VA link has to say:
Veterans have suffered a wide range of health problems
since returning from the first Gulf War. However, health
care registry data and epidemiologic (population) studies
of health care use have revealed no unique Gulf War
syndrome nor identified specific exposures that explain all
of these health problems.
That was a major conclusion of a team of scientists
from the U.S., Great Britain, and Canada in a recent issue
of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Am J
Prev Med 2004;26(5):443-452). They observed that Gulf
War veterans have had an increase in injury, mental health,
and multi symptom condition diagnoses similar to those
that have affected other military populations from previous
combat deployment. Despite the expenditure in excess of
$1 billion in understanding and treating Gulf War veterans
during the past decade, scientists have been unable to fully
understand and explain all of these diagnoses.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay Reynolds ignorance is harming Gulf War Vets again. GWS is highly reconized in the UK. The prime diver for GWS is the HPA axis damage due to fluoride and aluminum. When the pineal gland is harmed and its light sensing affected, this alter the melatonin and serotonin process, as well as the control over the pituitary glands regulation of TSH for thyroid hormone control. Thyroid hormines have to have the day-night cyclic patterns that allow the cells of the body to rest and repair----or the glutathione enzymes are depleted. With that effect comes all the varied problems of GWS and it has one principle etiology.

Farmers can't do research, nor make anything other that political comments on GWS.

Reynolds is a menace to Gulf Vets health.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

BC asks:

"If you would please reiterate your total concept regarding plankton, ozone depletion, sulfur, and DMS, that would be great."


BC,

I think to address your question, one has to begin a logical process. What causes global warming is first and foremost the UV affecting the phytoplankton. The loss of the phytoplankton then means the CO-2 levels rise. Keep in mind the phytoplanton control 98% of the oxygen and CO-2 processes on planet Earth.



All those reports that claim CO-2 is the greatest radiative force consideration omit that the loss of the phytoplankton's DMS emissions were an even greater effect. When the planet looses some of its principle low level cloud forming system over the oceans that reflect the Sun's heat due to the large white droplet size----that effect dominates global warming over CO-2 IR absoption factors.

Loss of Reflection factors by water droplets are much greater than low concentration shifts of CO-2 gas absorption.

Even the rise in CO-2 stems from the loss of phytoplankton. The emphasis needs to be on UV damage to phytoplankon that in turn means the rate of conversion of CO-2 is lowered on a large scale planetary basis by UV damage to phytoplankton.


You appear to want to quote reports that omit this logic and the issue of the rise in CO-2 association with the phytoplankton producing 98% of the worlds oxygen----which means phytoplanton convert 98 % of the worlds CO-2 into oxygen. Upset this dominant system for CO-2 conversion and the atmospheric CO-2 goes up.

It is not sufficient to claim CO-2 is the largest radiative forcing element, when one omits the UV damage to phytoplankton is what drives up the CO-2


Under norming conditions, phytoplankton provide 98 % of the Earth's oxygen. So, do some made up numbers to illustrate. Kill off 50% of the Earths phytoplankton with UV. Earth oxygen goes down 50%. Earth's CO-2 goes up 50%. Because the oxygen came from the phytoplankton's conversion of CO-2 into free oxygen.


CO-2 reports that omit that factor just simply can't be commented upon, because they introduce this error and omission. One cannot begin with these flawed CO-2 reports as a basis for further discussion, because of the big huge omission on DMS factor of IR reflection.


I suppose if one kills all the plants on Earth the CO-2 levels go toward all oxygen conversion to CO-2. The Earth would then burn up like a cinder in space.

You would be saying CO-2 did it----because this one report only speaks of CO-2.

I would be saying what killed the plants enabled the CO-2 to rise, and that is what caused it. Plus, I would be telling the loss of the phytoplankton's DMS emissions over the oceans began the whole process. And since droplets reflect more IR than gases absorb----this Sulfur Cycle - DMS process dominates the entire process. UV damage to phytoplankton is the controlling factor.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

BC asks:

"Regarding this post, IC, would you please elaborate for me. I want to hear your associations of sulfur emissions related to CO2 and the consequent loss of ozone which kills the plankton. Are there some steps missing here? "

=======

BC---recall----a few well put questions----not a barrage. Stay focused.


I think you omitted many things when you asked this question. I don't think your associations were working well here. You missed some steps, yes.

Sulfur Cycle is largely connected to the Phytoplankton, which makes the DMS from decay. Phytoplanton absorb sulfur from the oceans, and when they die some of it is converted into this DMS that seeds low level clouds over oceans. Big white cloud water droplets reflect lots of IR or heat. Loose that and the oceans heat more.

The CO-2 relationship to this process is simply that the phytoplankton does 98% of the world's conversion of CO-2 into oxygen. So, if one adds some UV (via ozone loss) or acids to the ocean surfaces, some of the phytoplankton will die and some just won't produce at the same rate.

When that happens to the plankton, the DMS emissions drop and the IR reflective water droplet systems fall, AND the air concentration of CO-2 rise.

When phytoplankton growth rates or populations fall-----since it dominates the planet's entire oxygen - CO-2 process ---- it can't help but change the CO-2 conversion rates.

[halva]

Yes, you are clearly number one with Reynolds.

I am perhaps second place for wanting he and his supporters in jail, which is close enough to hell.


A more feasible goal is to get them removed from on-line discussion. That is something that has been done at the 'chemmie' forums.

And it was something we briefly achieved here also, after BC managed to get you to go away and after I obliged Reynolds to revise his habit of addressing footsoldier by her real name and delete all previous references to it.

That setback put him at a psychological disadvantage, and in combination with his failure to get people to play his game at the Open Democracy forum, this discouraged him enough for a while to keep him away from here.


Reynolds has lost the game, and he knows it.


On the contrary. He has been motivated to rejoin the game since you came back here.


Now comes his supporters having to admit their being duped.

WMM started changing his tune because of a number of factors, one of which was possibly a realisation after self-defeating attempts to influence the off-line behaviour of members of Greenpeace on the other side of the world, that the kind of 'influence' that 'chemtrails' debunkers exercise is largely imaginary. They may be getting a free ride on the back of state-supported disinformation, but this isn't something they can harness for their own individual glory in any way.

Generally speaking I don't think that there is anything to be gained by having a number of different people all trying to fight with Reynolds and following mutually contradictory strategies.
I wish I could persuade you just to confine yourself to informational postings, preferably in the form of links to what you write or have written elsewhere.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

BC asks:

"Your flouride posts relate mostly to flouride in our water and in our food chain, but I don't see how it relates to aviation emissions. Please help me on this. Yes, the acids rain down, but where does flouride come in?"


BC,

The air has HF, HCl, and H2SO4 in it. I am sure you have heard of acid rain. Industry supplies some of it----volcanic releases some of it.

Coal burning and volcanoes put HF into the air. When jets and chemtrails seed more clouds over land than oceans----more of the HF and other acids land on the lands than in oceans. The effect helps the phytoplankton to grow better, but doesn't help us land dwellers.

This means cows get to eat more HF on the grass and uptake of fluoride into the plants. It also means these other acids liberate more aluminum into the plant's uptake. And the cows get this dangerous AlF3 problem building up in their system that leads to BSE.


So, somehow you have associated that jet plane emissions directly release HF, when what was stated was that the jet planes emissions contribute to more rain out of HF onto land masses. The source of the HF is coal burning and volcanic releases. The synergism of the jets and acids in air cause increasing health problems for land dwellers, less for ocean surface dwellers.


For man, the fluoride problems get into the food chain via phosphate fertilizers, fluoride in the water, toothpastes, chicken, etc. When man eats food with more aluminum from the acid rain effects, plus this fluoride in the food chain. These HPA axis factors that drive ill health in animals, also begins to drive ill health in humans-----even dominate their life vs death.


Now---to do ALL your questions would take a lengthy run here. And the next 10 pages. I am going to take a break. I've done three question pretty well.


Think on these answers and see if it becomes clearer. Then some focused questions that might further help. Try to hold back on the barrages. Please.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva,

Reynolds can't even get GWS discussions correct and BC can even tell him he is off base.

Reynolds can't do chemtrails, sulfur cycles, or global warming.

Reynolds is only so much noise attempting to cover up truth.

He has lost the game on all fronts. He is out of the running except to making stinks with his constant farm boy name calling affronts.

One sees such for what it is and ignores bunkshooting people like Reynolds.


=================

http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=CZGH5VQQOCN3BQFIQ
MGSM54AVCBQWJVC?xml=/news/2004/11/18/ngulf18.xml&sSheet=/news
/2004/11/18/ixhome.html


Gulf War Syndrome Beyond Doubt, Inquiry Finds
By Michael Smith
Defence Correspondent
The Telegraph - UK
11-18-4

The Government should "publicly acknowledge" that 6,000 British veterans are
suffering from Gulf war syndrome and set up a fund to compensate them, an
independent inquiry concluded yesterday.

The inquiry, chaired by Lord Lloyd of Berwick, a former law lord, said it was
"beyond reasonable doubt" that Gulf war veterans were likely to develop
illnesses over and above those they might expect if they had not gone to war.

The Government had originally indicated that it would accept that the
illnesses affecting the veterans resulted from service in the Gulf if proper medical
studies showed there to be an increased risk among Gulf veterans, the inquiry
said.

There had now been three authoritative UK studies into Gulf war syndrome, two
funded by the MoD and one by the US government, all of which concluded that
troops who went to war were twice as likely to become ill as those who did not.

"The Government ought now, in fairness, and not before time, to accept that
the illnesses were caused by their deployment," the inquiry said.

Announcing the conclusions, Lord Lloyd was scathing about the MoD's refusal
to take part, saying it had "lost a valuable opportunity to start the process
of reconciliation with the ill veterans" that would have cost it nothing.

The inquiry concluded that "the jury is still out" as to the causes of Gulf
war syndrome and there was an urgent need for further research. It examined all
the possible causes that have been mentioned and ruled out all but four.

These were possible exposure to nerve gas, the widespread use of
organophosphate pesticides to spray tents, the use of multiple vaccines, and the use of
Naps (nerve agent pre-treatment set) tablets to protect troops against nerve
agents.

The inquiry expressed particular concern over the use of the whooping cough
vaccine to speed up the effect of the anthrax vaccine.

The inquiry came close to suggesting a cover-up, noting that the MoD had
denied knowledge of a Department of Health fax warning of serious side-effects,
sent before the anthrax vaccine was administered to the bulk of the troops.

"It is not known what, if any, action was taken by the MoD on receiving this
fax," the inquiry said. "The MoD only admitted the existence of the fax in
1997, after it had been lost for many years. It was said not to be known who had
sent it or who had received it."

The inquiry said it had a copy of the fax and it was "clear" that it had come
from the Department of Health's deputy chief medical officer.

It also expressed concern at evidence that the Naps tablets might have
inhibited the body's ability to deal with the effects of the vaccines or otherwise
harmless levels of organophosphates, suggesting a combination of all three
might be to blame.

The inquiry dismissed the MoD's insistence that the illnesses suffered by the
veterans could not be described as Gulf war syndrome. The MoD has repeatedly
claimed that a syndrome has to have a single cause and that since there is no
known single cause for the symptoms exhibited by Gulf veterans there can be no
Gulf war syndrome.

But the inquiry, which included Dr Norman Jones, a former consultant
physician at St Thomas's Hospital, London, quoted from the Oxford Medical Companion to
reject this argument.

The MoD should now accept the term Gulf war syndrome as "the most convenient
label" for the symptoms "the veterans are undoubtedly suffering", the inquiry
said. "We can see no good reason why they should not accept Gulf war syndrome.
It will not expose them to any new claims. It will make no practical
difference.

"But it will make a great difference to the veterans and their families. It
would, without loss to itself, go a long way to restore the trust and
confidence of the veterans."

The Royal British Legion and Gulf war veterans' organisations welcomed the
inquiry's report.

Tony Flint, of the National Gulf Veterans and Families Association, said it
was time for the MoD to accept the inquiry's conclusions and recommendations
and compensate the veterans.

"To have Gulf war syndrome recognised means a hell of a lot to us," he said.
"We've said all along that it exists ñ now we have an eminent body saying it
as well."

Lord Morris of Manchester, at whose instigation the inquiry was set up,
welcomed its "fair and balanced" report. "I profoundly hope there will be no delay
now in giving full effect to Lord Lloyd's findings," he said. "Those left in
broken health and bereaved have already suffered more than enough."

[Insurrectionchemistry]

BC states:

"OMG, this is scary! I'm serious:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums...5&postcount=292"

========

It should be telling you that I know exactly what I am talking about and even high level DOD connected sources speak the same lingo as I.

What I deal with is a global emergency, and a very serious one.

All caused by crooked Govt cover ups on health and environment.


Lots of the health effect center in the HPA axis effects and the AlF3 problems and Pineal Gland fluoride effects.

Now, when you get to see some hard copy links that support what I've been telling---one should not blink.

[Boomer Chick]

BC, the veterans of the gulf war suffer illnesses, as did those of the civil war, and those such as yourself who have never been to war, at the same or even smaller rate. The first two links do not say anywhere that any syndrome related to the war exists, the third is a quack link.

This is what your VA link has to say:
Veterans have suffered a wide range of health problems
since returning from the first Gulf War. However, health
care registry data and epidemiologic (population) studies
of health care use have revealed no unique Gulf War
syndrome nor identified specific exposures that explain all
of these health problems.
That was a major conclusion of a team of scientists
from the U.S., Great Britain, and Canada in a recent issue
of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Am J
Prev Med 2004;26(5):443-452). They observed that Gulf
War veterans have had an increase in injury, mental health,
and multi symptom condition diagnoses similar to those
that have affected other military populations from previous
combat deployment. Despite the expenditure in excess of
$1 billion in understanding and treating Gulf War veterans
during the past decade, scientists have been unable to fully
understand and explain all of these diagnoses.

Here is the list regarding staff from the 3rd link. It may not be a hospital or a service-connected group, but they certainly are not quacks. Molecular biologists with PhDs, and other supportive personnel with trustworthy credentials.

The Institute for Molecular Medicine
16371 Gothard Street H
Huntington Beach, California 92647-3652, USA
Telephone: (714) 596-6636
Office Hours: 8:00 am - 5:00 pm
Fax Scientific Office: (714) 596-3791
Business Office: e-mail
Send questions to: Office Manager/Patient Coordinator
Webmaster e-mail

Huntington Beach .

This is a quack? And he is only one on the list.

Ph.D. Biochemistry, University of West Virginia (1980); B.S. Biology, St. Mary's College of Maryland (1974)

Dr. Cribbs is an Associate Professor of Neurology at the University of California, Irvine, and Institute for Brain Aging and Dementia, a position he has held since 1999. He was previously an assistant professor at UCIrvine and the Johns Hopkins University. Dr. Cribbs was previously a NIH postdoctoral fellow at Johns Hopkins, and he was an American Society for Engineering Education Fellow at the Naval Research Laboratory from 1989-1993. Dr. Cribbs has published over 50 papers in scientific journals and is currently a member of the NIH Study Section on Cell Death and Injury in Neurodegeneration. Dr. Cribbs is an expert on neurodegeneration, Alzheimer's Disease and dementia. Dr. Cribbs is an Adjunct Associate Professor at the Institute for Molecular Medicine.

http://www.immed.org/reachus.htm

***

I'm sorry Jay, but you'll have to realize that the symptoms from the Gulf differ quite drastically from previous war theaters. Why would you want to even dispute it? It's information anyone can obtain. There were chemicals, vaccines, environmental substances and pollutants to which the Gulf War participants were exposed not previously in use or present in other theaters by the other participating, host countries, or our own military.

Gulf War Syndrome or Gulf War Illness has been used to describe a collection of chronic signs and symptoms reported by U.S., British, Canadian, Czech, Danish, Saudi, Egyptian, Australian and other Coalition Armed Forces that were deployed to Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Over 100,000 American veterans of Desert Storm /Desert Shield (approximately 15% of deployed U. S. Armed Forces) returned from the Persian Gulf and slowly (6-24 months or more) and presented with a variety of complex signs and symptoms characterized by disabling fatigue, intermittent fevers, night sweats, arthralgia, myalgia, impairments in short-term memory, headaches, skin rashes, intermittent diarrhea, abdominal bloating, chronic bronchitis, photophobia, confusion, transient visual scotomata, irritability and depression and other signs and symptoms that until recently have defied appropriate diagnoses (see publications). These symptoms are not localized to any one organ, and the signs and symptoms and routine laboratory test results are not consistent with a single, specific disease.

It's the combination of exposures relative to the veteran's previous exposures and body make-up that compose the term "Gulf War Illness." It's not just one pathogenic substance, not one particular exposure, but a combination of factors theater-specific to this time and obviously common to those from various countries who were there. This is all I'll say on this.... off topic more than I prefer.

Why you'd want to deny it is beyond me.

[DvdGStwrt]

Hi Jay! http://www.foroedonkey.com/vb/images/smilies/adios.gif

How you doing buddy? Have you missed me?

What's the good word for me buddy old pal of mine?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/manicula/emoticonos/rainbow3.gif

--> Next post from Jay to me should be very interesting.... :D

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Well this should be interesting.

Someone introduce me to David Steward and toss out some background.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/factsheets/Ultraviolet.html


Scientists have found that between 1979 and 1989 UV radiation levels in the Northern Hemisphere rose significantly in the 30-60 degrees latitude band during winter and early spring and north of 50 degrees in summer. Large parts of North America, Europe, and Asia are located within the 30-60 degrees band. In the Southern Hemisphere, significant UV increases occurred south of 30 degrees (a band including parts of South America, Africa, and Australia) from spring to late fall, with particularly large increases associated with the springtime ozone hole over Antarctica. The total annual UV-B reaching the earth's surface has risen by 4-25% per decade within the midlatitudes of both hemispheres, with larger increases occurring closer to the poles.

While humans can protect themselves with sunscreens and clothing and by limiting exposure time (especially during midday hours), harm to plants may be unavoidable and lead to interruptions in the food chain. Recent studies have confirmed that oceanic phytoplankton productivity inside the region under the Antarctic ozone hole decreased at least 6-12% during the spring of 1990. Lower crop yields on land are another consequence. If increased UV radiation reduces some crop yields by even a few percent, most developed nations could probably tolerate the loss, but it would significantly impact countries where food shortages are already a problem.

[DvdGStwrt]

Jay will tell you who I am, I do hope he goes into detail about our "relationship" .

Then Halva will chime in to translate what Jay says into proper terms.

[halva]

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/stewart.html

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Ok, Thanks for refresher. Reynolds should get back from combing the farm for more turds to toss this evening. But he might be getting outnumbered and run.


BC,

Here are some science fair projects for you to think on.

Project Number one is get two plants of same type and growth, put one in a big bell jar with regular air and put the other in a bell jar with CO-2 enhancement. Place them both in the same sunlight. In one bell jar put in air with 5% more CO-2 that the other.

Assignment----find which grows the fastest per single factor changed.



Project Number two is get two plants and two bell jars and put one plant in each, and add identical air. Sit one plant in regular sunlight and put the other one in regular Sun plus add 2 % UV-b radiation.

Assignment----find which grows the fastest per single factor changed.




After you have this data then do the homeostasis problem for a fixed volume with fixed CO-2 generation rates. Add realistically both UV-b and CO-2 and explain which factor dominates by using related rates discussions.

[DvdGStwrt]

Insurrectionchemistry :

As for the topic. Drug users/abusers will find any excuse to legitimize their drug use. It comes with the territory and should be looked upon as part and parcel of the drug abuse problem. I am uncertain if disease would be the correct word, more along the lines of a mental illness which promote self medication through drug usage (illegal and otherwise).

You will note as you dig deeper that it appears that everyone has an ulterior agenda attached to Chemtrails, Climate Change and Global Warming = Geo-engineering/Terra-formation.

Through the years I have received many interesting “theories” as to what is going on, from UFO’s converting earth to a hotter, CO2 rich atmosphere that they breathe while killing us off, to it being one of the End Time prophecies being fulfilled. All rather fascinating if at times unbelievable – but until there is hard evidence as to the why or who is behind it any theory will work.

Perhaps we should all smoke crack and leave the problem to the next generation – it’s as good of a fix as any other suggested to date.

;) LOL
:D :D :D

---> That last was a joke.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Seems like the CTC solution you have there!! :-)

Ever looked into the sulfur cycle changes?

[DvdGStwrt]

Ok, Thanks for refresher. Reynolds should get back from combing the farm for more turds to toss this evening. But he might be getting outnumbered and run.


BC,

Here are some science fair projects for you to think on.

Project Number one is get two plants of same type and growth, put one in a big bell jar with regular air and put the other in a bell jar with CO-2 enhancement. Place them both in the same sunlight. In one bell jar put in air with 5% more CO-2 that the other.

Assignment----find which grows the fastest per single factor changed.



Project Number two is get two plants and two bell jars and put one plant in each, and add identical air. Sit one plant in regular sunlight and put the other one in regular Sun plus add 2 % UV-b radiation.

Assignment----find which grows the fastest per single factor changed.




After you have this data then do the homeostasis problem for a fixed volume with fixed CO-2 generation rates. Add realistically both UV-b and CO-2 and explain which factor dominates by using related rates discussions.


Each Halloween we would have the party, which included fog and a “smoking caldron” of punch were we used dry ice to cause the smoke and bubbles. At the end of the party I would put what was left of the dry ice in the terrarium, the plants loved it – they would put on a growth spurt like no fertilizer ever accomplished.

Never tried upping the UV personally, I understand that interior pot farms use UV lamps and “sun” lamps to cause incredible growth over a short period of time when it comes to those plants. The theory is that if you can get the plants to grow faster you are cutting down the time of being detected and arrested for that illegal farm.

Does it work? http://www.gardening-indoor.com/lighting.htm sells UV (blue) lights for indoor plants.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Good illustration on the CO-2!

There are some plants that are very UV-b resistant and pot may well be one of them. I think the grow lights are down toward the UV-a zone, not very damaging.

Most of the garden plants don't do well with enhanced UV-b, and phytoplankton doesn't do well at all.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Your LLNL connection never spoke of the Sulfur Cycle, sounds like?

[DvdGStwrt]

Seems like the CTC solution you have there!! :-)

Ever looked into the sulfur cycle changes?

Yes I have.

Most interesting to me is the UV affect on biological sulfur producers in the oceans having a direct effect on precipitation. With the reported loss of phytoplankton due to depleted ozone (http://archive.greenpeace.org/climate/database/records/zgpz0556.html) gives one pause.

There is the report that there is a decline in phytoplankton (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0820_020820_TVwireplankton.html) which is somewhat disturbing and makes me wonder if UV is not really higher than being reported or being recorded over the oceans. I think the biggest concern has been ozone holes, not a general thinning of the ozone layer. Though measurements are being reported over land (populated areas) like in this BBC report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/656014.stm I am hard press to find reports or findings of ozone depletion over the oceans.

I do dig up reports of mini-holes like this one: http://www.thepioneer.com/international/nov6_ozonelayer.htm all of the time, makes for interesting reading.

Of course other issues with the oceans are taking place, like all of the sewage and chemicals we have dumped down the drains which end up in the seas I am trying to be careful to not attribute any one cause to a complex problem. Over fishing of the oceans may also lead to the issue as well, it is my understanding that dead fish in the oceans adds to the nutrients that feed the planktons – the food chain.

Time and time again I find that sulfur does not exist in the stratosphere (naturally) due to its short life span. However we know that sulfur is one of the emissions of jet engines. http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Aerosols.html just for chuckles on aerosols. http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/Overview.html touches lightly on the subject of what comes out of Jet engines. I am hard pressed to find any information on the effects of sulfurs in the stratosphere – plenty on the troposphere.

Is there a balance in the equation? What if the loss of life causing sulfur to be formed is being replaced by man-made sources in near equal levels? Like the Global Dimming report that balances green house gasses against particulate matter that causes a cooling trend more or less equal to where the dimming (cooling) counters the warming, I have to wonder if life on earth is not adjusting to man-made chemicals.

Terrestrial Engineering through accidental side effects of man’s progress may be striking a balance of some sort along these chains and strings of chemistry and life.

[DvdGStwrt]

Your LLNL connection never spoke of the Sulfur Cycle, sounds like?

He did, to me in later conversations. Please understand that when I first started posting my talks with him I did so ignorantly and with haste. Later on, due to emails from ‘interesting’ people and learning the huge debate I pulled back and stopped posting what he said.

Prior to the last time I posted on this forum/site I had several face to face meetings with the man and he covered a lot more information than I shared previously. The last Debate with Reynolds I found it very difficult to converse without pulling in more data received after the initial posts. As such they would be hearsay, inadmissible to a court of law.

As Jay (and others) pointed out without him being willing to come forward himself, or without hard evidence to back up what he was saying it would always be a matter of “He said that He said” which is unproductive. His suicide earlier this year has made me more recitative to repeat what he said. I look at his suicide as being the actions of an insane mind; such a mind can not be trusted to have given worthy information. His Wife flat refuses to make comment, and I was unable to find any obituary (public) on him. I assume that this was due to the nature of the death, or perhaps due to my pursuing the matter with her so soon after his death.

Jay will tell you I hoaxed this, not understanding the whole situation. I can see where he is coming from and I also understand his view that I have nothing more than just talk – though he fails to acknowledge that I actually did speak to another person and did share that information.

I have continued my own research I spend a couple hours each day digging up more information on related topics, I am also a member of several CT forums, receiving daily emails from them, reviewing and weighing each post, following the interesting leads.

Havla sends out “newspapers” from his forums, and he also invited me a couple of weeks ago to this thread, I didn’t post for a while to get a general feel for where the conversation was going. I tend to do a lot of that, reading and keeping my comments to myself unless I have something I think would be productive to add. Or in the case of today I’m slightly irritated with a certain somebody who rubs me the wrong way and just had to sa