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Boomer Chick

05-23-2007, 01:34 PM

Thanks BC I try...We've had this discussion on where ya lived, and as i said earlier I zipped through your town about a month ago coming home from the springs..I was way out MarkSheffel Blvd and Woodman, thought I'd take a chance and go down BlackForrest rd, I know I've seen a Black Forrest down 83, so I figured what the hell..I didn't end up at 83 and black forrest, althought I took Black Forrest from Woodmen To the end, not sure what that road was but after turning left and getting back to 83, then back to Parker I found that I saved about 25 min. coming home...So that will be a regular way home when I'm out that direction working..

I couldn't see much from the road but i wouldn't doubt the urban sprawl has got to you town also..
Been to Parker lately??Friggin amazing,My Dad's been out here since 82 so I've seen a huge change....All and all it's nice to be away from the city..

PEACE

So did you come in from the airport to see your Dad in Parker? You drove on Black Forest Road and found 83 again and drove it north to Parker? We live just a mile off Black Forest Rd. to your left (west) after you drive past the Shoup/Blk.Frst. intersection with the little log buildings and the old fire station and up the hill before you break out of the trees. Remember that? We live in the forest on five acres and have a great view of Pikes Peak. Awesome! And yet it's only ten or fifteen minutes to the closest mall. We like it and indeed the town is sprawling eastward.

Do you live in Parker or do you live there part - time and/or visit in Parker?

Do you come down here to work or visit people?

I'm a bit confused though I know you live in Colorado.

kola -- Where are you? Are you out near Calhan? Ellicot? Woodland Park? Monument? Palmer Lake? It's so cool that both of you live here, too, and not far away. We'll have to get together sometime this summer. I will attempt to take more pics, too, and share them. It was nice taking a break from watching, you know.

:)

Boomer Chick

05-23-2007, 01:53 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/09/bill_ties_climate_to_national_security/

Another double edged sword, Halva.

On the one hand, the US could fund great humanitarian projects and improved alternative energies to help threatened countries devise water systems and improve their energy systems as well. They could target areas that will become needy and attempt to economically improve the situation before starvation sets in or local conflict breaks out. Coordinating with other countries is essential as well.

But then on the other hand, assuming a policing attitude is simply wrong. It's kind of like playing the role of a white blood cell in the global body when all countries could contribute preventative measures to those threatened areas and help them as a united effort if they fail to prepare. Preparation and preventative measures would insure all manner of peaceful adaptation.

Our defense organizations should re-assign and restructure themselves to, with some units, help facilitate moving and infrastructure development for cities and towns threatened by coastal flooding within our borders and as a foreign aid along with other nations. Katrina shows how at this point, even FEMA let our people down. Obviously more personnel and better personnel are needed in this area of adaptation both domestically and abroad.

Under the defense umbrella as well, funding for alternative energies for our companies to exchange and be employed globally for the benefit of various third world countries and for business profits and for the benefit of our own cities and towns would be another humane use of the defense umbrella.

Increased funding for innoculations for the already proven malaria and other common innoculations in Africa and other third world nations would benefit our nation and all of humanity to continue to help in that front. I would call birth control aide a necessity as well given that in the future we may have to be more careful in producing and providing food for so many more people. Birth control is a must. This administration has been against birth control in third world countries............this must change.

The Pentagon under the neocons has changed. It must be returned to how it was, and function with new values which are more humane and less police-state oriented. The Pentagon and CIA must be controlled to do the peoples work, not the other way around.

Watch the double-edged swords !

halva

05-23-2007, 11:12 PM

I am in favour of doing everything we can to strengthen what we hope are possible positive aspects to the military's concern with natural phenomena, encouraging the scientists who are developing the relevant expertise to help us weaken the other aspect, which seeks to use this expertise to harm people and the environment. This doesn't mean that I have any intention of being a Pollyanna.

Boomer Chick

05-24-2007, 09:56 AM

Boomer Chick

05-24-2007, 09:59 AM

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foot_soldier

05-24-2007, 10:16 PM

One final submission, if I may, to add to my two most recent posts on this thread:

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations--Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, 1958-2002 (revised July 2003)

C. D. Keeling and T. P. Whorf

Since 1958, air samples have been continuously collected at Mauna Loa Observatory and analyzed by infrared spectroscopy for CO2 concentrations. Data are averaged to give monthly and annual atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

These data represent the longest continuous record of atmospheric CO2 concentrations in the world. This precise data record covers a single site (Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii). It is a reliable indicator of the regional trend in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 in the middle layers of the troposphere and is critical to CO2-related research.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp001/maunaloa.co2

Air Map New England
University of New Hampshire at Durham
http://airmap.unh.edu/data/data.html?site=AIRMAPTF

The UNH Observing Station at Thompson Farm is located in Durham, NH approximately two miles south of University of New Hampshire (43.11N, 70.95W, elevation 75ft). The site is characterized by rolling fields surrounded by mixed forest. Most of the air quality measurements are performed on air sampled from the top of a forty foot tower. One of NOAA's Climate Reference Network meteorological stations is also located at Thompson Farm.

Current CO2 reading at 11:00pm Eastern Daylight Time: 421 ppmv (parts per million volume)

Thank you.

Air Map New England
University of New Hampshire at Durham
http://airmap.unh.edu/data/data.html?site=AIRMAPTF

Current CO2 reading at 12:00am Eastern Daylight Time: 444 ppmv

Boomer Chick

05-25-2007, 11:02 AM

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Boomer Chick

05-25-2007, 11:23 AM

Oh and to get this thread back on topic, I think this is the most "normal" I've seen Colorados weather In many years.. Not sure how long you two have been here. I've seen more 3-4 oclock showers this spring then I've seen in the last 5 yrs..

Yes, I've noticed the same and we're so grateful for the precip. We've lived here a little over 30 years. I do remember those spring and summer showers. I used to grow outrageously healthy and large strawberries. I've never had good luck with pumpkins, but my zuccinis were always huge. DUH! When we moved out to the forest in '96 at a higher altitude, I had more problems growing veges and the tomatoes.....well forget about it. They wouldn't turn red. I think no matter what I put in the soil out here I forgot one thing.....base...like limestone....too acidic. So I resigned growing veges (lettuce was my favorite) and grew flowers. Now I'm at the point where my 8 by 8 needs some testing. I put bull manure and lots of peat in it, but still it's just not right, I can tell. It must be limestone I'm missing....too acidic.

I worry about hail, though. What we need to do is build a good sized greenhouse and quit talking about it.

Jay Reynolds is a fine, organic farmer. He grows so many veges that he gives them away to elder homes and sells them at stands. Now his place would be worth a visit for a classroom full of fifth graders!

;)

Boomer Chick

05-25-2007, 11:20 PM

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/global-dimming-and-climate-models/

Boomer Chick

05-26-2007, 12:43 PM

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Boomer Chick

05-26-2007, 05:22 PM

Thanks, FS, for your contributions!

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kola

05-26-2007, 08:33 PM

yes..global warming is here...no doubt.

i wonder how much HARRP and chemtrails have accelerated the process.

kola

Boomer Chick

05-28-2007, 09:36 AM

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kola

05-28-2007, 11:31 AM

DROUGHT INDUCEMENT
Clifford E Carnicom
Apr 02 2002
Edited Apr 07 2002

Recent analysis leads to the conclusion that the extensive and systematic aerosol operations that are being conducted without informed consent are aggravating, if not instigating, the elevated drought conditions that are now commonly being observed.

The current discussion centers upon the heat aspects of the atmosphere, which are currently under investigation. This paper will be presented in two sections: an initial general and conceptual statement of the problem and findings, to be followed by a more detailed presentation based upon certain fundamentals of physics, chemistry and mathematics.

In regard to the preliminary discussion, it is necessary to introduce the physical term known as the "specific heat" of a substance. Here is the definition of the specific heat:

The specific heat is the amount of heat required to flow into a substance to produce a one degree rise in temperature.

Comprehension of this definition is helpful to understand the basis of the discussion which follows. Tabulations of specific heats of the elements and various compounds are readily available within reference books. Even more importantly, it is necessary to recognize the practical application of this definition through the following additional statements:

A substance with a high specific heat requires more heat energy to raise its temperature a given amount than one with a low specific heat. Similarly, and conversely, and in particular related to the current discussion, a substance with a lower specific heat will raise higher in temperature with a given amount of heat than a substance with a higher specific heat. This importance of this latter fact will hopefully become apparent to the reader in due course.

The general and conceptual question that arises is this: Given that the air of the earth has a specific heat value, what would be the projected heat effect of introducing metallic particulate aerosols into that atmosphere? And specifically, what would be the projected effect of introducing particulate forms of aluminum, barium, magnesium, titanium and calcium? This itemized list of elemental contributions is of special interest because of both historical and recent investigations that confirm their unexpected presence in our atmosphere in direct association with the advent of the aircraft aerosol operations.

It can be stated that the introduction of the majority of these five elements will have the net effect of increasing the temperature of the atmosphere of this planet. This is a consequence of the specific heat values of the elements under primary consideration. This finding is potentially of the greatest consequence to both the life and welfare of this planet. It is reasonable to conclude that this finding may reveal a direction connection with, or impact upon, the rising prevalence of observed drought conditions. It is hoped that the citizens of this nation and the planet in general will organize to the level of confronting directly the ramifications of the aerosol operations which remain in progress, and to continue to force full disclosure and accountability.

Additional Notes:

Research in the near future will be focused upon the the continued quantitative assessment of physical impact upon the atmosphere and ecosphere. The results presented here are an entirely separate and distinct issue from the moisture absorption or collection properties of the aerosols, as are also commonly observed. Specific heat properties of substances are intrinsic to the nature of the elements themselves. Corrections or modifications to this page will be made as is appropriate.

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Expanded discussion:

The specific heat of a substance (c) is defined as c = dQ/(dT*m), where Q is the amount of heat entering a mass (m) of substance, and the consequent rise in temperature is dT. The SI units of specific heat are kJ / (kg * K) where J refers to joules, kg is kilograms, and K is degrees Kelvin.

The specific heat of air can be taken as 1.003kJ/(kg * K) with little variation amongst the considered pressures or temperatures. This means that approximately 1003 joules of energy are required to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of air by one degree Kelvin (or Celsius). For the sake of comparison to more commonly encountered forms of energy and power, a watt is equal to one joule per second.

The above definition can also be manipulated into the form : dT = dQ / (m * c). From this expression, we can see that given a fixed amount of heat flow (dQ), a decreased value for the specific heat (c) will result in a greater rise in temperature (dT). This is especially relevant to the current topic, as the majority of the aerosols under consideration all have a specific heat value less than that of air.

Our interest in evaluating the effect of aerosol introduction upon subsequent increases or decreases in atmospheric temperature lead us to consider the specific heat of a mixture. That is, we must consider the effects of multiple ingredients within a substance, and their effect upon the heat transfer properties of that substance.

The specific heat of a mixture is given by:

cp = sum (mfi * cpi)

where mfi is the mass fraction of the ith component, or contribution to the total. This is defined as:

mfi = mi / m

where mi is the mass of the ith component, and m is the total mass of the mixture.

cpi is the specific heat of the ith component of the mixture, and cp is the specific heat of the mixture.

Let us first consider the specific heat of air alone, which is well established within the references, and which herein a value of 1.003 kJ/ (kg * K) has been assumed. In this presentation, the specific heat of air will be designated as c(a).

Now let us consider an added ingredient to this gas, or air. In particular, this will be an aerosol of a particular element. We will designate the mass of this introduced element as m(e) and the specific heat of this element as c(e). From the definition of the specific heat of a mixture given earlier, we may now write the specific heat of the air combined with the introduced aerosol as:

cp = (m(a) / (m(a) + m(e))) * c(a) + (m(e) / (m(a) + m(e))) * c(e)

What now becomes of interest to us is the ratio of cp to c(a), i.e, the ratio of the specific heat of the combined mixture (air + aerosol) to the specific heat of air itself (cp / c(a)). If this ratio is less than one, it means that the introduction of the aerosol (or element or compound) will cause a greater rise of temperature in the modified atmosphere for a given amount of heat (sunlight) into the system.

Let us now form this ratio:

cp / c(a) = ((m(a) / (m(a) + m(e))) * c(a) + (m(e) / (m(a) + m(e))) * c(e)) / c(a)

or

cp / c(a) = (m(a)*c(a) + m(e)*c(e)) / (c(a) * (m(a) + m(e)))

Now our interest lies under what conditions this ratio is less than one, as that will produce a net increase in temperature of the modified air for a given amount of heat. If the ratio were to manifest as greater than one, then the converse would be true. Let us examine the question of under what conditions the ratio becomes less than one:

(m(a) * c(a) + m(e) * c(e)) / (c(a) * (m(a) + m(e)) < 1

or

m(a) * c(a) + m(e) * c(e) < m(a) * c(a) + m(e) * c(a)

or

m(e) * c(e) < m(e) * c(a)

or

c(e) < c(a)

This result is important for the following reason. This result reveals to us that if we were to introduce an element into the atmosphere with a specific heat less than that of air, it would have the net effect of raising the temperature of the modified atmosphere for a given amount of heat (i.e., sun) input into the system (i.e., ecosphere).

Of course, the question that now arises is, what is the specific heat of the elements (as a minimum) that are under consideration? Here are the values for these as well as a few others for us to consider:

Element or Compound
Specific Heat
kJ / (kg * K)

Air 1.003
Water 4.184
Ice 2.1
Aluminum 0.92
Barium 0.19
Titanium 0.52
Magnesium 1.02
Calcium 0.65

With regard to the elements under examination, we can see that with exception to magnesium, each has a specific heat less than that of air. The current analysis leads us to conclude that the introduction of each of the elements with a specific heat less than that of air would have the effect of increasing the temperature of the modified air for a given amount of heat. We also see, on the contrary, that the introduction of water into the atmosphere, would have a beneficial effect upon heat reduction due to the large value of specific heat.

These results portend significant consequences and ramifications upon the health of this planet and its atmosphere. It is difficult to deny the projected and current influence upon drought conditions for the earth as long as the aerosol operations remain unchecked. It is reiterated that the citizens of this nation and earth have the duty to force full accountability, disclosure and cessation of the aircraft aerosol operations which remain in progress.

Authored at Angel Peak, New Mexico
Apr 02 2002

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The following link to The National Drought Mitigation Center
based at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
is provided as a result of research efforts
by a member of the message board
attached to www.carnicom.com

THE DROUGHT MONITOR

Appreciation is extended to this individual for the above contribution.

kola

05-28-2007, 11:32 AM

GLOBAL WARMING & AEROSOLS
Clifford E Carnicom
Jan 23 2004

It can be demonstrated that the introduction of essentially any metallic or metallic salt aerosol into the lower atmosphere will have the effect of heating up that lower atmosphere. The impact is both significant and measurable. Those that seek and express concern on the so called global warming problem might wish to begin their search with an inquiry into the thermodynamics of artificially introduced metallic aerosols into the lower atmosphere. The direct injection of massive amounts of particulate matter by aircraft into the atmosphere for more than five years establishes the foundation for this inquiry. An examination of the specific heat characteristics of an altered atmosphere will provide the path for the realistic conclusions that can be made.

Any claim that the aerosol operations represent a mitigating influence on the global warming problem appears to be a complete facade that is in direct contradiction to the fundamental principles of physics and thermodynamics. The lack of candor and honesty by government, media and environmental protection agencies in response to public inquiry is further evidence of the fictitious fronts that have been proposed. It is past time to recognize that one of the primary effects of the dense aerosols that now permanently mar the lifeblood of this planet is the heating up of the very atmosphere that we breathe.

The early stage of the current argument for global heating and the aggravation of drought conditions was proposed approximately two years ago1. The benefit of the current study is that an estimate of the magnitude of the heat influence upon the atmosphere can now be made. Those that continue to claim that a benevolent, but necessarily secret, enterprise to protect the planet with a blanket of purportedly heat reflective aerosols in the lower atmosphere exists will need to provide the primary evidence of that claim. That claim will need to be justified with solid physical principles and observation. Hypothetical research models that are under discussion and rationalization, such as the Teller proposal, are more appropriate to the outer reaches of the planet and space. These proposals do not explain the deposition of massive amounts of hygroscopic aerosols into the lower atmosphere.

The recent media attention to the dramatic and accelerating climatic changes will hopefully be extended to the fundamental principles that are expressed within this report.

The mathematics, physical principles and thermodynamics of this argument will be made available on a separate entry.

FURTHER DISCUSSION:

1. Clifford E Carnicom, Drought Inducement, (http://www.carnicom.com/drought1.htm), 04/07/02

Boomer Chick

05-28-2007, 02:58 PM

Scott Stevens:

Less than eight years ago the United States took the lead and instituted a brilliant and bold project borne out of desperation: creating a thermal, anti-radiation barrier in a band of our atmosphere beneath Earth's troposphere. Although the project itself may cause some planetary climate change, it is calculated to cause far less damage than the events that have been extrapolated to occur in our near future. It is a two-edged sword as the aerosol spraying will undeniably affect some individuals making them sick or otherwise affecting to an extent their immune systems and respiratory systems. The trade off, however, is long term survival of our civilization.

Read the whole letter. I do take issue with some minor details, but on the whole the assertions remain sound. That the Sun is being stimulated by an outside civilization and we are trying to slow those climate altering effects on the Earth with this spraying.
I suppose that it is possible, and this is very disturbing, that there is a set timetable (sometime before 2012) to tip the entire climate system into chaos prior to the next ice age; this spraying and its attendant warming will insure that the ocean and atmospheric warming will continue at its increasingly rapid rate that is just now being realized by climatologists. This ultimately ends in the failure of the North Atlantic thermo cline and a fresh global ice age. Now this event would end civilization, at least as we know it today. In either case this project deserves immediate public scrutiny

The letter and the supposed reason why the military is spraying:

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/solar.html

I would, as an exercise of the mind in trying to find the truth, combine this theory with the projects I posted above and see if there's a connection. Since I have read Richard T Hoagland and some other sites and know that NASA can keep information hidden, I do wonder about the extra-solar energy concept. I have read in more than one place that our solar system is entering a section of space more inline with the equatorial plane of the Milky Way Galaxy. We have no idea as an intelligent species what this means and how that will affect us. None at all. We see the glaciers melting, the ice caps melting, and we know the planet is heating up. We know other planets in our system are heating up. But WHY is the bonus question of our time. Are we sacrificing more warming of our atmosphere for some protection from an increased amount of radiation? I just don't know. I'm open to other theories and this one and wish I could put my finger definitively on one theory.

Boomer Chick

05-28-2007, 03:46 PM

Another NASA affiliated air vehicle association:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/research/AirSci/index.html

X-48B Blended Wing Body

Boeing Phantom Works has partnered with NASA and the Air Force Research Laboratory to study the structural, aerodynamic and operational advantages of the Blended-Wing Body advanced aircraft concept, a cross between a conventional plane and a flying wing design. The Air Force has designated the prototype the X-48B based on its interest in the design's potential as a multi-role, long-range, high-capacity military transport aircraft.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/research/index.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Laureleye/PhantomX-48B.jpg

Cool beans, heh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Laureleye/PhantomX-48Brear.jpg

Boomer Chick

05-28-2007, 11:57 PM

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My other two posts should have gone on the "...studies..." thread. Sorry about that.

If some of you feel that you don't appreciate the global climate change news thread in which I post news of "global warming" then post something else interesting. This whining about other posters not doing this and not doing that.............what a waste of time and your assuming somehow you are superior is quite off the mark. Learn humility and understanding and maybe you'll receive a surge of energy. Negativity in any form will drain you. I don't find any of you other posters the least bit disturbing to me. You do your think and I'll do mine unless you post something amazingly informative and then I'm all over the post !

Halva, I've asked you WHY they are creating persistent contrails that turn into cirrus. Why? You have not answered. Scott Stevens says it's because 1) they're attempting to locate directions of wave interferance and ionic disturbances from other countries with weather controlling devices and 2) our nation has spearheaded a program to protect people and plants from solar and extra-solar radiations and energies. Hmmmm. Now which is it? Or is it both? Or is it none? Anyone have another theory on WHY? And please don't go into the "Illuminati is culling the population" theory....just won't make sense. Maybe ultimately they want to control the weather, like the Air Force document said...? And maybe they're attempting to learn how to create clouds and disperse them. I would imagine multiple projects for multiple goals are being implemented. They seem to be agreeing in Europe to creating persistent trails, too. According to Stevens, if we all knew the truth about a sun out of control, we would freak. I doubt it, though.

Any contributions? I'm sure the persistent contrails would both heat and cool the atmosphere. The reflective ability of the cirrus to reflect solar radiation is strong, but the heat retention at night is also strong. The articles I posted in the studies section show the differences and the net outcome for increased cirrus from persistent contrails.

halva

05-29-2007, 12:16 AM

Halva, I've asked you WHY they are creating persistent contrails that turn into cirrus. Why? You have not answered. Scott Stevens says it's because 1) they're attempting to locate directions of wave interferance and ionic disturbances from other countries with weather controlling devices and 2) our nation has spearheaded a program to protect people and plants from solar and extra-solar radiations and energies. Hmmmm. Now which is it? Or is it both? Or is it none? Anyone have another theory on WHY? And please don't go into the "Illuminati is culling the population" theory....just won't make sense. Maybe ultimately they want to control the weather, like the Air Force document said...? And maybe they're attempting to learn how to create clouds and disperse them. I would imagine multiple projects for multiple goals are being implemented. They seem to be agreeing in Europe to creating persistent trails, too. According to Stevens, if we all knew the truth about a sun out of control, we would freak. I doubt it, though.

I am not going to co-operate with you in your attempt to appoint yourself mistress of ceremonies at this section of the forum, BC. I am not going to participate in the quiz shows that you are attempting to organize or be diverted from my own priorities. Lou has indicated a similar attitude to what you are attempting to do, as has Kola and our dear friend Jeff Reynolds.

Just stop it. Conform to the type of discussion we want here or go away.

.

dewey189

05-29-2007, 05:20 AM

Lou has indicated a similar attitude to what you are attempting to do, as has Kola and our dear friend Jeff Reynolds.Just stop it. Conform to the type of discussion we want here or go away.LOL! It seems that Boomer, Jeff, kola and I share somewhat similar views, halva, and it seems to me that it's you who can't (or won't) stick with the conversation.

halva

05-29-2007, 06:10 AM

I challenge you to get Jeff Reynolds and kola to agree with you in ANYTHING you say with, or about, BC.

dewey189

05-29-2007, 06:31 AM

I challenge you to get Jeff Reynolds and kola to agree with you in ANYTHING you say with, or about, BC.You know what, halva, you can keep going on and on with your middle school gossiping, but I'm not interested in it. Boomer is a nice woman, she's intelligent, her opinions are well researched and I have a lot of respect for her. If Jeff and kola don't agree with that because she isn't totally on the same page as them regarding chemtrails, it would be a sign of immaturity. But I suspect you're wrong.

halva

05-29-2007, 09:50 AM

You took me up on Kola and Jeff Reynolds. Try to find out if the situation is as you believe. If this is something important.

Boomer Chick

05-29-2007, 05:55 PM

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halva

05-30-2007, 04:35 AM

LOL! It seems that Boomer, Jeff, kola and I share somewhat similar views, halva.

Do you still think that is the way things are Dewey?

If you have made a mistaken assessment, what led you to misjudge the situation here?

Boomer Chick

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dewey189

06-03-2007, 02:20 PM

Boomer Chick

06-04-2007, 01:29 PM

I've been pondering what new business to start once I finish my dissertation...leaning heavily toward a "green" line of work that goes above and beyond what we do as environmental consultants. It's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff, but if anyone has any grand ideas, please share them.

You're tired of what you've been doing and have thought of ways to 'retool' the biz to fit a new paradigm?

Well, I don't know much and I'm flattered you asked, but here goes:

I see great potential in solar and wind residential and small business systems applications and installation. I don't remember in what area your PhD concentrates, but all I can offer is a related technology-alternative energy kind of business. You could sell retail, design, and install solar hot water, solar energy, and wind turbine energy systems. If you have a source of interested labor and talent, the beginning to the end kind of business sounds good. To sell solar systems I do think you need to contact your state solar affiliation and take a few online courses from them as would your installers to get a license to prove to them and others that you know what' you're doing.

Well, that is all I have. I'm sure you have a much more expanded list of options and possibilities than I can offer.

What a fun time! I wish my hub could think with such a positive, creative attitude as yourself in terms of a new business. He has about one and a half years to go on his lease and he's considering another kind of business. I've tried brainstorming with him and he's such a negative thinker, you wouldn't believe it. I give up!

I gotta go! Hope you had a nice day!

BC

kola

06-04-2007, 01:33 PM

Lou

06-04-2007, 03:17 PM

the solar sales market is flooded and due to the outrageous prices many common folk can't afford it.

real estate, especially rural and mountain property is in demand. Realty agents are making a killing.

Kola Trump

I agree Kola and I can tell you that here in the north east it's a buyers market right now because those that have had there property on the market for the past few years just have not been able to get there asking prices and have had to drop there prices or see the property just set there.

Friends of ours have been trying to sell there property, a historic New England farm house that is in pretty good shape considering that it was built in 1801, they started out two and a half years ago with an asking price based on assessed market value of $ 339.000.00, since that time they have changed realtors twice, dropped there asking price to rock bottom and now have resorted to "Short selling" the property and the bank which holds there present mortgage has agreed to them doing that because neither party want's to own the property.

They really do not want to "Short sell" the property but it is a high cost property to maintain through the winter, to heat it alone cost over $1600.00 and our friends do not want to keep putting out the money demands of a property that they can not sell even at a drastically reduced price.

What's really bad about the "Short sell" agreement through a broker is that they may end up selling the property for less than they still owe on it but they really see no other option given that they do not want to spend another winter living there and have the option on other property down in Virginia.

This is an extreme example based on the sellers needs of what is going on real-estate wise here in the north east but the selling market here is at an all time low and still, people can not sell there properties.

Some areas are doing a little better than others, along the seacoast, sales seem steady but not climbing, some inland mountain areas that attract tourism are maintaining a fairly balanced market but it's still a tough market for the sellers and it does not appear that is going to change in the near future, unfortunate again for the sellers.

I keep hearing Bush say that the National economy is doing great but I sure do not see that translated to the local level, what I do see locally is a very guarded local economy in which I see people who are thinking of buying or selling property thinking twice long and hard because they fear that the economy is still slipping downward.

Right here in Parsonsfield, Maine, real estate sales have flat lined, it's really dead here, a local building contractor just down the road from us filed for bankruptcy at the end of May because he is over extended with several banks and can not sell his spec houses, he has gone under because of this great economy that Bush keeps telling us about. ( Man, that guy is so full of crap. )

It's a tough time right now for anyone thinking of starting any kind of a new business, especially if they do not have a lot of working capital to start out with, even if they do, most people are acting very hesitant about investing in any speculative business, young people are finding it an especially tough time getting anything off the ground because the banks are just not willing to give them the start up loans that they need, again, the banks reluctance to allow the start up loans is a direct reflection of an economy that is "Not" as Bush & CO. claims, DOING GREAT. ( Those people need a dose of the reality that we the common people have to live with each and every day.)

I really would not know what to advise someone who is looking for a new business to start up in the "green area" right now. Green - Green houses are coming into there own, power assisted by solar and wind where applicable but a sales and service dealership for this type of business is very high end and requires a large dollar investment not unlike a car dealership which may take up to five years or more to see any kind of a return on, but, if your in it for the long haul it could be something worth exploring.

kola

06-04-2007, 03:37 PM

Boomer Chick

06-04-2007, 04:12 PM

I don't know what state kola inhabits, but here in Colorado and I imagine similarly in Indiana, the retrofitting of alternative energies hasn't begun to get moving. In no way shape or form is our market saturated. And why is that? The cost effectiveness and lack of tax and government incentives still do not motivate the ordinary middle class and upper class homeowner.

Those in Colorado who are especially energy conscious and can afford the price tag of even a hot water system, have already done so, but it is a very tiny percent of the housing market. Only one builder in our area has begun to consider "green materials" and solar passive and active designs....just one...and we have loads of builders. Why, because our area is growing. Even if you only considered the homes ten years and older, you would find the market for such retrofits not even begun to be tapped -- here.

I couldn't defend your area for you in terms of marketability of alternative residential and small business applications of solar, but I do know this:

1. solar has come down in price like you wouldn't believe

2. name brand companies have begun production of panels (like Sharp)

3. new solar products and kind PV cells, cheaper and more powerful have begun to be manufactured......it's going to not only be cost effective, it's going to absolutely take over the natural gas and electric market in time

4. California, with its million-roof solar legislation is leading the way for the opening of alternative energies in residential areas

5. for builders, there are already incentives in place put into law by the recent energy bills, but still, the home owner has not been given tax deductions or tax incentives for retrofitting. Jimmy Carter offered such goodies back before Reagan came into office and you'll notice that some houses are still outfitted for solar hot water from that era, but you know that went the way of the wringer washer.

6. starting off as mainly a service business without having to invest in products will save you start up fees and costs. You, as a business, can order the products online or through catalogues at a wholesale rate and then install as they come in.....no need for a huge warehouse, but a good sized garage for panels would be a good idea and a truck large enough to deliver such. As the panels are now constructed they come in smaller sizes that fit together. I don't know about the windmills for residences, but for farms and such I think the propellars are assembled upon the center rotor on sight and the poles might be in sections, too.

7. lastly....just do a market research on the business in your area and decide if it looks good.Ask others in the community and call around. I'm telling you, if my hub would go for it, I would work with him on this business and teach piano, too. He has a "bad back" so as far as installing, he knows he can't do it, but my gosh, if you hired some college guys interested and studying solar....how great would that be?

Once the feds get the incentives nation wide more geared for consumers, you'll see this market absolutely thrive in places where home owners previously found it NOT cost effective.

An old farmhouse in Maine could certainly use some solar panels for hot water, for the hot water heater, and for running electric hot air systems and appliances and/or even hot water floor heating systems. The initial investment is coming down, but the cost of heating from the system is nearly nothing over time. In fact, many who have such systems here, sell the energy back to the energy company and are actually paid for the transaction.

Anyway, it's something to look into for your area and those who live in other states, don't know your area. Only you do.

Just adding to the input, here! ;)

dewey189

06-04-2007, 04:20 PM

You're tired of what you've been doing and have thought of ways to 'retool' the biz to fit a new paradigm? I'm thinking of expanding the services we offer, but I'm really antsy to try something totally new. I've been essentially doing the same kind of thing since 1981 and the challenge just isn't there anymore. It's just too easy. Ridiculous, isn't it?I see great potential in solar and wind residential and small business systems applications and installation. I don't remember in what area your PhD concentrates, but all I can offer is a related technology-alternative energy kind of business. You could sell retail, design, and install solar hot water, solar energy, and wind turbine energy systems. If you have a source of interested labor and talent, the beginning to the end kind of business sounds good. To sell solar systems I do think you need to contact your state solar affiliation and take a few online courses from them as would your installers to get a license to prove to them and others that you know what' you're doing. My PhD will be in industrial technology, with an emphasis on building innovative capability in business, but it's been a labor of love, hobby, a mountain to climb, etc. rather than an employment-related thing. I know...who the hell does that! LOL! Anyway, we have an excellent pool of top-notch talent in this area, and I'm a helluva good business manager and idea gal, so between us, I'm fairly certain we'll succeed. I'm in the middle of the corn belt, but I'm not completely sold on eco-aspects of corn-related technologies, even though there's tons of start-up money available. There aren't any local companies in the solar field and my daughter (the biomedical engineering whiz) thinks that's where it's at, though she also thinks I should get off the board and get into the management of a biotech start-up I got involved with two years ago. I don't know. I have some research to do, but I REALLY should finish that PhD research first! In retrospect I should've combined the two! Duh. What a fun time! I wish my hub could think with such a positive, creative attitude as yourself in terms of a new business. He has about one and a half years to go on his lease and he's considering another kind of business. I've tried brainstorming with him and he's such a negative thinker, you wouldn't believe it. I give up! My husband is showing that tendency, so I remind him that had he been involved when I started thinking about the first company back in '89 it never would've gotten off the ground! He's waaaay too conservative when it comes to risk for my taste, but we tend to balance each other out. He told me yesterday that he intended to sit back and watch, which is secret code for "just do it". LOL! He's going to take over the management of the first venture when I bail for the second. Or whatever it is I decide to do.Thanks for all the feedback Boomer! I'm leaning to the solar thing....

kola

06-04-2007, 04:21 PM

approx cost to go solar.. 30k

dewey189

06-04-2007, 04:23 PM

Once the feds get the incentives nation wide more geared for consumers, you'll see this market absolutely thrive in places where home owners previously found it NOT cost effective. That's what I'm thinking. Get in early....it's what I did the last time!Just adding to the input, here! ;)It's greatly appreciated! From everyone!

kola

06-04-2007, 05:52 PM

oil corps want nothing of it...

kola

Lou

06-04-2007, 06:03 PM

Wow. thats amazing Lou! ..Quite different out this way. Here in Colorado land prices (especially) keep going up and up and people keep buying. It is the same scenario with most of Arizona, Montana, Oregon and Washington. Not only are the prices going up but the amount of acreage is dropping too. Realtors are licking their chops and there is no sign of prices coming down or people not buying. Out here we have seen a huge migration (beside the "Mexican Illegal Invasion") of Californians who sell their tiny Cali bungelows for big bucks then scoop up mountain property and homes out here.

I am quite content with my recent purchase of my 27 acres high up in the Rockies. (I bought for
3k per acre last year and was recently offered 5k per acre.) If I had more cash flow I would buy and sell raw land as things are still very hot here. btw I hope to semi-retire and move up there before winter kicks in.

How did you med tests go? ( pm me if you want to keep it private)
hope all is well,
Kola

Yes_this whole north east area is and has been slowly sliding downward for the past several years now, it has become painfully aware to the local real estate / new housing market and tourist related industries over the past two years as things have not improved but rather kept with the downward trend.

We are not officially in a "depression" but unofficially I would say that we are close to it on many local levels.

I have still heard nothing with regard to my CT scan, ( No pun intended ) I don't expect to hear anything soon, my GP is going on vacation and won't be back until July, I see the specialist after she gets the disc of my scan and the report but I still have to wait to make an appointment after she gets the information, seeing her before that will do nothing.

Really, I don't think there is any real problem, I'm feeling fine, no problems breathing, no pain, the anomaly that showed up in the X-Ray was just probably a soft tissue shadow, these doctors I think tend to over react due to my age. It's like if you have a pain in your chest, probably heartburn from eating that meatball sub, they automatically think that your having a heart attack. Dr. Youngblood right on the job don't you know.:rolleyes:

Right now I'm bored, setting here on my arse because it's raining now three days straight, can' t do a thing outside. ( And I really need to. )

Anyway, I doubt if my GP would have left for France this week if my CT showed anything serious, she would have at least called to let me know how much time I have left. :D

Thanks for asking Kola.

Boomer Chick

06-04-2007, 09:05 PM

That's what I'm thinking. Get in early....it's what I did the last time!It's greatly appreciated! From everyone!

I'm excited for you, Dews! I'd really like to go for it, here, myself, but I have no experience in running a business with employees and hubs doesn't want to take the risk. Yet, when you think of it and research the whole topic of alternative energies, it's about to blow sky high! You would be so smart to get in on the ground floor! OMG!

I get chills thinking about it. Not only can you help people, but you can certainly make money doing it. And with all your new-found wealth, you had better come out and visit Colorado! :D

halva

06-05-2007, 04:13 AM

This is Monbiot's latest
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=57&ItemID=12951

in the argument that we are billing at our Greek site as

"Global Warming: Two Faces of the Gatekeeper Left":
http://www.enouranois.gr/english/political/index55.htm

Alexander Cockburn and the Corruption of Science
by George Monbiot
May 31, 2007

I have now asked twice in public and four times in private. I have received three replies, each more vituperative and abusive than the last, but no answer to my question. It was not a complicated request. Alexander Cockburn maintained that the evidence that rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere do not result from burning fossil fuels was contained in "papers" written by a Dr Martin Hertzberg. Knowing that papers carry no scientific weight unless they are published in peer-reviewed journals, I asked for references. This request, apparently, makes me an egotist, a liar and the "honorary chairman of the King Canute Action Committee"(1). But that is the extent of the information Cockburn has been kind enough to divulge to me. Of references, there is not a word.

Or perhaps I have received an answer of a kind. In Cockburn's latest column for the Nation and Counterpunch, he suggests that the request for peer review is "heavily overworked" and has been corrupted by climate scientists(2). Unable to provide peer-reviewed papers to support his claims, he instead attacks peer review. In doing so, he draws on the support of two great authorities: Patrick Michaels and Frederick Seitz. Perhaps he does not know who these men are. He would have done well to have found out before calling them as witnesses for the defence.

A private letter sent last year by the Intermountain Rural Electric Association (IREA) - a big electricity provider - called for other companies to help prevent any restrictions on coal burning. "We decided to support Dr Patrick Michaels and his group (New Hope Environmental Services Inc.). Dr Michaels has been supported by electric cooperatives in the past and also receives financial support from other sources. ... In February of this year, IREA alone contributed $100,000 to Dr Michaels. In addition we have contacted all the G&Ts [generating and transmission companies] in the United States, and as of the writing of this letter we have obtained additional contributions and pledges for Dr Michaels group."(3)

In 1998, Michaels was invited to testify before the US Congress. He maintained that climate scientists had wildly exaggerated the likely impacts of global warming. He illustrated this with reference to a paper by the climatologist James Hansen in 1988. Hansen had presented three possible scenarios for temperature rises by 2000: high, medium and low. Both the high and low scenarios, he explained, were unlikely to materialise. The middle one was "the most plausible". As it happens, his middle scenario was almost exactly right. But Michaels took the graph from Hansen's paper, erased the medium and low scenarios and presented the high curve as Hansen's prediction for climate change. This, he claimed, proved that climate scientists were exaggerators(4).

Frederick Seitz was, until recently, the chairman of both the Science and Environmental Policy Project and the George C.Marshall Institute. Both of them have been funded by ExxonMobil. Both of them deny that manmade climate change is happening(5). In 1998, he wrote the document known as the "Oregon Petition", which maintained that the production of extra carbon dioxide was good for the planet(6).

He circulated it widely, reminding people that he was once president of the National Academy of Sciences, and attaching a "review" of the science of climate change. The "review" was published in the font and format of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, but it was in fact written by a Christian fundamentalist called Arthur B. Robinson, who has never worked as a climate scientist(7), his 22-year old son and two employees of Seitz's George C. Marshall Institute. Soon after the petition was published, the National Academy of Sciences released this statement:

"The Council of the National Academy of Sciences is concerned about the confusion caused by a petition being circulated via a letter from a former president of this Academy. ... The petition was mailed with an op-ed article from The Wall Street Journal and a manuscript in a format that is nearly identical to that of scientific articles published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal. The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy."(8)

This was not the first time that Seitz had traded on his former glory. In 1979, he became a permanent consultant to the tobacco company RJ Reynolds(9). He worked for the firm until at least 1987(10), for an annual fee of $65,000(11). He was in charge of deciding which medical research projects the company should fund(12), and handed out millions of dollars a year to American universities(13). The purpose of this funding, a memo from the chairman of RJ Reynolds shows, was to "refute the criticisms against cigarettes"(14).

So it is fair to say that both of them know plenty about the "corruption of the peer-review process", but not in the sense that Cockburn intends. Their attempt to suggest that the chair of the IPCC had altered its 1996 report against the wishes of the other contributers is a classic smear job, and plainly false. As anyone who has read the whole report knows, the conclusion was consistent with its contents and supported by the great majority of its contributers. The IPCC has reached a consensus that manmade climate change is taking place in every one of its assessments. Far from exaggerating the predictions of climate science, it faces constant pressure from governments to dilute its findings(15). Cockburn, like others who deny that manmade climate change is taking place, tells this story exactly the wrong way around.

But all this is a distraction - a wilful one on Cockburn's part - from the need to answer his critics. I asked him a simple question. I have not yet received an answer. Where are the references? Provide them sir, or admit that your claims are unfounded.

www.monbiot.com

halva

06-05-2007, 04:16 AM

Cockburn is playing Jeff Reynolds to Monbiot's BC.

dewey189

06-05-2007, 05:04 AM

Anyway, I doubt if my GP would have left for France this week if my CT showed anything serious, she would have at least called to let me know how much time I have left. Lou, don't count on that. My father had a CT scan on a Monday, and Wednesday both his GP and cardiologist left town without contacting him. Mom finally called the CT place on Friday afternoon to see if the results were available because his health was deterioriating. He was in such bad shape he had to be hospitalized for 5 days.

dewey189

06-05-2007, 05:10 AM

I'm excited for you, Dews! I'd really like to go for it, here, myself, but I have no experience in running a business with employees and hubs doesn't want to take the risk. Yet, when you think of it and research the whole topic of alternative energies, it's about to blow sky high! You would be so smart to get in on the ground floor! OMG! I know. I'm getting antsy to do it.I get chills thinking about it. Not only can you help people, but you can certainly make money doing it. And with all your new-found wealth, you had better come out and visit Colorado! :DMy first venture was in the "help people" field which is why I'm leaning heavily toward keeping that as the fundamental philosophy of the second venture. Making money for the sake of making money has never had much appeal to me! We were supposed to go to Colorado for a family reunion in September, but since my uncle passed away in December and we had that impromptu reunion at his funeral over Memorial Day in Wisconsin, the plans faded away. I might get a big-time ski bug this winter though! One of my cousins lives in Niwot, CO.

Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 10:40 AM

Yes, of course, setting one's sites on "serving others" unifies the company's human heart and creates an ethical foundation from which to operate in the world. And in one's attitude while working with people, the "service ethic" shines light and only produces respect in the community and within one's self....all good and excellent. The only way to go1 Of course we appreciate making a profit.

example of a larger scale solar company:

http://www.borregosolar.com/

Site offering information regarding the whole alternative energy scene:

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/home;jsessionid=A4F1ABFE718D3D566533191A5AEC78C8

I knew you were that good and kind sort of business person, Dewey189.

Niwot.....up in the mountains I think? Most major ski areas are only a 2 to 3 hour drive for us.
Fishing is great here, too.

HAGD!

Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 11:56 AM

Cost of solar in 2005? Is it lower now?

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=24395

A project by Sharp company to educate the public about solar:

http://www.hellosunshineca.com/

Interesting new solar innovation for business applications:

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=48660

May 23, 2007
PV Costs to Decrease 40% by 2010 (http://www.debatebothsides.com/rea/news/story?id=48624)

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=48624

The solar industry is poised for a rapid decline in costs that will make it a mainstream power option in the next few years, according to a new assessment by the Worldwatch Institute in Washington, D.C., and the Prometheus Institute in...

I thought so!!

BC :)

Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 04:26 PM

Google News Alert for: global warming

US cutting back on global warming monitoring from space (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/05/america/climate.php)
International Herald Tribune - France
WASHINGTON: The United States is drastically scaling back efforts to measure global warming from space, even as President George W. Bush has said the ...
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Great White North turning a little browner thanks to global ... (http://canadaeast.com/ce2/docroot/article.php?articleID=6340)
Canada East - Canada
"Ice and snow are important components of the Earth's climate system and are particularly sensitive to global warming," says the report, citing "substantial ...
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Global Warming Will Heat Up G-8 Summit (http://www.greenoptions.com/blog/2007/06/05/global_warming_will_heat_up_g_8_summit)
Green Options blog - Berkeley,CA,USA
Germany's proposal calls for limiting the global temperature rise this century to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) and cutting global warming ...
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Bush on Global Warming -- An Aspirational Moment? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope/bush-on-global-warming-_b_50823.html)
Huffington Post - New York,NY,USA
Washington, DC -- Last week I watched, perplexed, as the Administration did an exotic new three step dance on global warming. First, they sent our allies in ...
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Abe vows to take initiative on global warming at G-8 (http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=166310)
Financial Express - Bombay,India
"The European Union and the United States still remain divided" over their positions on global warming, Abe said ahead of his departure. ...
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China's answer to global warming (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=158402)
The Statesman - Kolkata,India
However, Beijing has no intention of sacrificing economic growth to satisfy international demands to combat global warming, the report warns. ...
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PM: Sufficiency to help fight global warming (http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/06Jun2007_news12.php)
Bangkok Post - Klong Toey,Bangkok,Thailand
Thailand will apply His Majesty the King's sufficiency economy principle in the fight against global warming, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont told a forum ...
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Congressional Global Warming Panel Visits Cannon Mountain (http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/bd7db3af1)
Caledonian Record - Caledonian,VT,USA
Edward J. Markey, D-Massachusetts, the summit was the kickoff of a series of hearings the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming will be ...
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My temper is rising. Must be global warming . . . (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article1884272.ece?openComment=true)
Times Online - UK
Man-made global warming has become the new Act of God, to be blamed for everything people fear or loathe. The numberwatch website has an impressive list ...
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Draft energy bill would block state action on global warming (http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/012599.html)
MaineToday.com - Portland,ME,USA
... a committee member, said the bill would "pre-empt the rights of states to set strong standards to save energy and reduce global warming pollution." ...
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Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 04:32 PM

associated press from top link above:

WASHINGTON: The United States is drastically scaling back efforts to measure global warming from space, even as President George W. Bush has said the country is ready to take the lead in reducing greenhouse gases.

A confidential report to the White House, obtained by The Associated Press, warns that U.S. scientists will soon lose much of their ability to monitor warming from space using a costly and problem-plagued satellite initiative begun more than a decade ago.
Because of technology problems and a near-doubling in the original $6.5 billion cost, the Defense Department has decided to launch only four satellites paired into two orbits, instead of six satellites in three orbits.

The satellites were intended to gather weather and climate data, replacing existing satellites that are expected to cease operating starting in the next couple of years.
The reduced system of four satellites will now focus on weather forecasting. Most of the climate instruments needed to collect more precise data over long periods are being eliminated.

Instead, the Pentagon and two partners - the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA - will rely on European satellites for most of the climate data.
The recent loss of climate sensors "places the overall climate program in serious jeopardy," scientists from the two agencies told the White House in the Dec. 11 report.
They said they would face major gaps in data, which can be collected only from satellites, about ice caps and sheets, surface levels of seas and lakes, sizes of glaciers, surface radiation, water vapor, snow cover and atmospheric carbon dioxide.
Rick Piltz, director of Climate Science Watch, a watchdog program of the Washington-based Government Accountability Project, called the situation a crisis.
"We're going to start being blinded in our ability to observe the planet," said Piltz, whose group provided the report. "It's criminal negligence, and the leaders in the climate science community are ringing the alarm bells on this crisis."
Bush has repeatedly cited his administration's record on researching global warming as a response to criticism of his opposition to mandatory reductions in the greenhouse gases blamed for it. The administration has been spending about $5 billion a year on global warming: $2 billion on climate research and $3 billion on technologies for combating it.

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Depend on the Europeans for data??? OMG !!! :D

Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 05:38 PM

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UN Warning Over Global Ice Loss
BBC News
Monday 04 June 2007

Hundreds of millions of livelihoods will be affected by declining snow and ice cover as a result of global warming, a UN report has warned.
The risks facing people included losing access to drinking water, and rising sea levels, the study concluded.
The findings were published by the UN's Environment Programme (Unep).
Unep chief Achim Steiner said the report showed that time was running out for political leaders to reach a global agreement on curbing emissions.
Mr Steiner made his call for action at the launch of the UN Global Outlook for Ice and Snow report, which was being held in Tromso, Norway.

"The report underlines that the fate of the world's snowy and icy places in a climatically challenged world should be cause for concern in every ministry, boardroom and living room across the world," he said.
"The missing link is universal political action. Today's report should empower the public to take their leaders to task [and] should empower them to ask how much hotter it has to get before we act."

"Feedback" Fears

The study warns of a range of threats that could destabilise ecosystems around the world, with potentially devastating consequences for hundreds of millions of people.
Melting glaciers in Asia's mountains could affect an estimated 40% of the world's population, who rely on ice melt for crop irrigation and drinking water.

It added that rising temperatures were already resulting in the thawing of permafrost in places such as Siberia. This was leading to the release into the atmosphere of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.
The fate of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets, which hold almost all of the planet's freshwater ice, needed to be better understood, the UN publication urged.

It said that if emissions of greenhouse gases continued unabated, the massive ice sheets were likely to become unstable as the world continued to warm.

Without taking measures to mitigate sea level rise, an estimated 145 million people, primarily in Asia, would be exposed to the risk of flooding.
The UN said that the International Polar Year, a 24-month global scientific study of the polar regions, would help shed light on how climate change is altering the ice dynamics in these regions.

The authors also warned that less ice and snow cover was leading to more of the Sun's energy being absorbed by the land and the sea, rather than being reflected back into space.
They said this "positive feedback" could accelerate global warming and result in more abrupt shifts in the climate.

Norway's Environment Minister, Helen Bjoernoey, said the comprehensive study into the state of the world's snow and ice presented a bleak prognosis.
"To me, it is particularly alarming to realise climate change can be a reinforcing process - global warming results in further global warming," the minister observed.

"As documented in the report, melting of snow and ice will in itself have severe consequences on nature and society."
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One gigantic volcanic eruption will tilt the whole system 360 degrees! Or, a few big ones all at once!

CDsNuTz

06-05-2007, 08:22 PM

Niwot.....up in the mountains I think?

Niwot is half way between Boulder and Longmont...

Boomer Chick

06-05-2007, 10:03 PM

Niwot is half way between Boulder and Longmont...

Thanks, CDsNuTz! I knew it was up there somewhere, but not high up in the mountains, yet closer to Vail and Aspen than we are. We're closer to Breckenridge, Monarch, Copper Mountain, and all those resorts south of Aspen, right? One of my sons snowboards at Breckenridge and we used to take them when they were little to Monarch...loved it up there!

;)

Boomer Chick

06-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Google News Alert for: global warming
Religions join warming debate (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/06/08/religions_join_warming_debate)
Boston Globe - Boston,MA,USA
WASHINGTON -- Some religious leaders agreed yesterday on the need to confront global warming, while others questioned the climate change threat. ...
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Public Wants Action on Global Warming (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/06/08/religions_join_warming_debate)
Center For American Progress - Washington,DC,USA
Throughout his administration, President Bush has shown little interest in taking serious action on the problem of global warming. At this week's G8 summit, ...

Calif. Attorney General Brown Challenges Presidential Candidates ... (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/06/opinion_warming.html)
YubaNet - Nevada City,CA,USA
"Global warming is the most important long-term environmental, economic and security issue facing our country and the world," Brown said. ...

Obama: You Can't Fight Global Warming with Coal (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_58669.shtml)
It's Getting Hot In Here - Washington,DC,USA
However, this transportation fuel made from coal would actually double the global warming pollution coming from our cars and planes! Who supports this? ...

KEAN: NEW JERSEY SHOULD REJECT WEAK GLOBAL WARMING BILL (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/06/08/obama-you-cant-fight-global-warming-with-coal/)
Politics NJ - Trenton,NJ,USA
Senator Kean is the Co-Prime sponsor of the "Global Warming Response Act," (S-2114), which would set caps on the emission of greenhouse gases in New Jersey. ...

Maine third Northeast state to pass "RGGI" law to cut global ... (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.politicsnj.com/kean-new-jersey-should-reject-weak-global-warming-bill-9243)
Forest NewsWatch.com (subscription) - Montreal,QC,Canada
Today's vote makes Maine the third northeast state to pass a law that requires power plants to reduce their emissions of global warming pollutants as part ...

Global warming issue heats up G8 meeting (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.forestnewswatch.com/content/view/2918/)
Party for Socialism and Liberation - USA
June 8, the final day of the summit, has been declared by environmentalists to be an international day of action against global warming. ...

Global warming workshops this weekend (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2%3FJServSessionIdr010%3Dh5z9b8o4n2.app5b%26pa ge%3DNewsArticle%26id%3D6847%26news_iv_ctrl%3D1261 )
Ithaca Journal - Ithaca,NY,USA