Climate Change [Archive] - Page 4

whitemajikman

12-02-2005, 10:27 AM

NOAA made measurements of CO2 and found that air that had passed over and was leaving the North American continent headed eastward had lowered carbon dioxide levels.

The only way that could occur is if all localized CO2 emissions, plus some more, were being absorbed by the North American continent.

QED

The Great North American Carbon Sink -- Maybe

"Aha! We knew it!" a number of conservative columnists have been crowing lately. "Greenhouse, schmeenhouse, go right on driving those sports utility vehicles."

The cause of their excitement is an article published in Science magazine, one of the most prestigious places a scientific article can be published, claiming that the North American continent is a huge carbon sink. The authors found, essentially, that the carbon dioxide content of air blowing onto our west coast is higher than that of air blowing out to sea from our east coast. (Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas.)

Somehow, the authors conclude, in crossing the continent, the prevailing westerlies must run across massive carbon dioxide absorbers, perhaps growing forests. Those forests, or whatever, must take even up more carbon dioxide than the enormous amount we put out as we burn coal, oil, and gas. (North America accounts for twenty-five percent of the world's fossil fuel consumption with just six percent of the world's people). Therefore, say the columnists, not the scientists, we are not causing any greenhouse warming and needn't be bothered with the Kyoto climate treaty.

"I don't believe that article," said a visiting forest scientist at a Dartmouth seminar this week. "I don't know anyone who believes it."

So goes science, back and forth, up and down, maybe, maybe not, that's an interesting finding but let's see if we can repeat the experiment, let's see if there are other explanations, let's put it in the perspective of all these other findings.

And so goes column-writing, a handmaiden of politics, which likes to seize any shred of evidence to support what one already thought and hit everyone over the head with it.

A difficult combination, science and politics. Especially in a democratic society where the public is charged with figuring out what to believe.

Take the dioxin muddle, for example. This chemical (set of chemicals, actually) is a common contaminant in some herbicides, in wastewater from paper-making, in the stack gas of garbage incinerators. Science found it to be poisonous early on; environmentalists hyped it into "one of the most toxic chemicals known to humankind." Then the chlorine industry did some studies that found it to be not so immediately toxic after all, and the conservative columnists proclaimed it harmless.

Along came new science about chemicals that act like hormones and disrupt the development of embryos. They're called endocrine disrupters. Dioxin proves to be one of the most powerful. Excruciatingly tiny amounts seem to distort all sorts of developing critters: birds, fish, reptiles, mammals, people too.

Now both the pro- and anti-dioxin crowds have evidence they can blow out of proportion. So is dioxin safe? Science is still figuring it out. In the meantime, how much risk do we want to run with developing critters?

Another study on endocrine disrupters, from a respected lab, seemed to confirmed something environmentalists had suspected for a long time. Several different chemicals apparently acted together to create thousands of times more disruption than any one of them alone.

That result hit the press hard, one set of true believers trumpeting it, the other set studiously ignoring it.

Meanwhile other labs tried to duplicate the study and couldn't. Soon the original researchers published a retraction; they couldn't repeat the results either. That happens sometimes. These are delicate processes. There could have been a contaminant in the solutions or even in the plastic labware. Exactly that problem has messed up endocrine disruption studies before. The researchers would be considered dishonorable only for failing to publish a retraction, not for publishing one. That's science.

What's politics is to write nyah-nyah columns saying, see there? All those fears about exposure to multiple chemicals are groundless. Such columns were, of course, written.

Failure to disprove is not proof. It only means that a particular test showed no effect. In this case the test was in a lab using cultured cells, not in a developing embryo. Both theories -- chemicals acting together can add up to worse effects than they do separately, or they cannot -- are still alive.

A similar story caused havoc in England last fall. A scientist, again a respectable one from a good lab, found that rats fed genetically engineered potatoes had suppressed immune systems and stunted growth, compared to rats fed ordinary potatoes or even rats fed ordinary potatoes spiked with the specific protein whose code had been spliced into the transgenic potatoes.

That last bit looks scientifically suspicious. So does the fact that the researcher announced his results on TV instead of in a scientific journal. He was fired and forbidden to talk to the press. He sent his data to other scientists, 21 of whom have defended him and asked that he be reinstated. Foes of genetic engineering are demanding to know why his study was suppressed.

So are gene-spliced potatoes dangerous to eat? No one really knows, My scientific instinct says no. Science will slowly find out. In the meantime I'm not inclined to eat them.

Is there a great North American carbon sink? No one really knows. My scientific instinct says no. Science will slowly find out. In the meantime I see no reason to risk the climate of the planet just to drive around in oversized vehicles.

http://www.pcdf.org/meadows/carbonsink.html

WMM

foot_soldier

12-02-2005, 11:44 AM

December 2, 2005

US stand poses hurdle at environmental talks
Delegates have adopted rules for limiting greenhouse gases, making the Kyoto Protocol fully operational.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1202/p04s01-wogi.html

MONTREAL - In the halls of the Palais de Congres, where international talks are under way on next steps to combat global warming, all eyes are turning to the challenge of bringing developing countries on board.

Many of these nations have ratified the Kyoto Protocol, but as yet have no obligations to reduce emissions under the pact, which targets rich countries through 2012.

Delegates hope to lure developing nations with emissions-control ideas that are flexible and acknowledge their need for economic development.

But a key hurdle may be emerging. The United States is refusing to take part in discussions that could be seen as prodding Washington toward mandatory targets and timetables. The battleground: the 1992 Framework Convention on Climate Change, which the US has ratified and which outlines broad but voluntary climate goals. Some industrial countries say that the framework could provide the basis for some of these more-flexible approaches that nonetheless are binding.

As the first half of the two-week conference draws to a close, the 190 participants can point to some accomplishments. They formally adopted the rules under Kyoto for reducing greenhouse gases - everything from investment in developing countries to trading carbon credits that allow larger polluters to meet their goals by buying credits from those who beat their targets.

A sense of urgency is growing, many here say. They point to recent research that appears to bear out projections of global warming's direct and indirect effects -- from shrinking Arctic ice packs to a slowing of deep-ocean circulation in the North Atlantic.

Kyoto binds its signatories to begin talks this year about what follows after the protocol's first commitment period expires in 2012. A key concern is that the US stance outside the Kyoto pact, and its current position on talks under the Framework Convention, may block discussions central to drawing in developing countries further down the road.

"I don't expect a lot of debate about the necessity to do more," says Canada's environment minister, Stéphane Dion, who is presiding over the talks. "I do expect debates about what to do and who needs to do what."

At a briefing earlier this week, Harlan Watson, who heads the US team, acknowledged signatories' obligations to start talks about the emissions-reduction regime for 2012 and beyond, but made it clear that the US would not join in if binding commitments came into play.

"We respect that obligation and expect that they will meet their commitment to do so," he said. "However, the United States is opposed to any such discussions under the Framework Convention."

In many ways, the hoped-for outcome of these two-week talks is, essentially, an agreement to keep talking. Many developing countries are interested in seeing the Kyoto process move beyond 2012, notes Jennifer Morgan, who heads the climate change program of the World Wildlife Fund International. Particularly in the months since Kyoto took effect, leaders in developing nations such as South Africa are saying, she says, that "we need to do our fair share."

Yet taking even first steps toward commitments are a hard sell back home when the US is seen as failing to act as a full partner in reducing emissions.

One fear is that if Kyoto-related discussions are the only forum for emissions discussions, the US lack of involvement in Kyoto could trigger a stampede away from future tighter targets.

"The Bush administration is playing a big game of chicken," says Alden Meyer, director of strategy and policy for the Union of Concerned Scientists. "It's saying: If you want to go ahead, fine. But you can't do it here." Since all actions are taken by consensus, he and others note, US opposition amounts to a veto.

One tack Mr. Alden and others are taking is to try to convince developing countries that US policy may change after the Bush administration.

More Kyoto-like policies are emerging at the state and local levels in the US, and environmental lobbyists here say that they see a friendlier climate in the Senate for greater action - something they hope will convince delegates from developing nations to stay the course..... (continued)

foot_soldier

12-02-2005, 11:47 AM

Re: "The Great North American Carbon Sink":

Thanks very much for submitting this piece, WMM. Am printing to read later.

foot_soldier

12-03-2005, 09:36 AM

December 3, 2005

Report Accuses EPA of Slanting Analysis
Hill Researchers Say Agency Fixed Pollution Study to Favor Bush's 'Clear Skies'
http://www.climateark.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=48999

The Bush administration skewed its analysis of pending legislation on air pollution to favor its bill over two competing proposals, according to a new report by the Congressional Research Service.

The Environmental Protection Agency's Oct. 27 analysis of its plan -- along with those of Sens. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) and James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.) -- exaggerated the costs and underestimated the benefits of imposing more stringent pollution curbs, the independent, nonpartisan congressional researchers wrote in a Nov. 23 report. The EPA issued its analysis -- which Carper had demanded this spring, threatening to hold up the nomination of EPA Administrator Stephen L. Johnson -- in part to revive its proposal, which is stalled in the Senate.

The administration's "Clear Skies" legislation aims to achieve a 70 percent cut in emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide after 2018, while Carper's and Jeffords's bills demand steeper and faster cuts and would also reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, which are linked to global warming. The Bush plan would also cut emissions of neurotoxic mercury by 70 percent, while Jeffords's bill reduces them by 90 percent.

"Although it represents a step toward understanding the impacts of legislative options, EPA's analysis is not as useful as one could hope," the Research Service report said. "The result is an analysis that some will argue is no longer sufficiently up-to-date to contribute substantially to congressional debate."

The congressional report, which was not commissioned by a lawmaker as is customary, said the EPA analysis boosted its own proposal by overestimating the cost of controlling mercury and playing down the economic benefits of reducing premature deaths and illnesses linked to air pollution.

EPA estimated the administration's plan would cost coal-fired power plants as much as $6 billion annually, compared with up to $10 billion in Carper's measure and as much as $51 billion for Jeffords's. It calculated that Bush's proposal would produce $143 billion a year in health benefits while Carper's would generate $161 billion and Jeffords would yield $211 billion. Carper's measure would achieve most of its reductions by 2013, while Jeffords's bill would enact even more ambitious pollution cuts by 2010.

EPA spokeswoman Eryn Witcher said the agency based its cost estimates on mercury controls by gathering comments from boilermaker workers, power companies and emission control companies, whereas the Research Service used a single study to reach its conclusions on mercury.

"Clear Skies delivers dramatic health benefits across the nation without raising energy costs and does it with certainty and simplicity, instead of regulation and litigation," Witcher said. "Because of our commitment to see this become a reality, EPA went above and beyond to provide the most comprehensive legislative analysis of air ever prepared by the agency, so it does a real disservice to this discussion to have a report that largely ignores and misinterprets our analysis."

But aides to Carper and Jeffords said they felt vindicated by the congressional study.

"The CRS report backs up a lot of what we initially said about EPA's latest analysis, that it overstated the costs of controlling mercury and understated the overall health benefits of Senator Carper's legislation," said Carper spokesman Bill Ghent. "The report clearly states that there's no reason to settle for the president's Clear Skies plan because the legislation doesn't clean the air much better than current law."

Originally posted at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/02/AR2005120201767.html

Boomer Chick

12-04-2005, 10:41 AM

Boomer Chick vs the Electric Company
Hello, is this the Electric Company? This is Mrs. Boomerchick Ballbuster and I demand to know what this outrageous power bill I received is all about!.........................., MY MEASUREMENTS TRUMP ANY ESTIMATION AND ANY SO-CALLED 'MODEL' YOU BUNCH OF BLOODSUCKERS CAN COME UP WITH!
From now on, count me OUT of your money-grubbing scheme. I'll just read my own damn meter and send you what I know from reading the friggin' meter myself!
DO YOU READ ME?

Yes, madam, I understand completely(hangs up)..........................................

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Power Company Method:
"According to their findings, the scientists estimate that U.S. forests and other terrestrial components absorb from one-third to two-thirds of a billion tons of carbon each year"
from: "Consistent Land- and Atmosphere-Based U.S. Carbon Sink Estimates
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/5525/2316

""of the 5 billion tons of carbon dioxide our consumer driven country coughs up a year, roughly 15 to 30 percent is reabsorbed back into the land. "
from: no citation given, but note the tone "consumer driven country coughs up". Those are not scientific words they are subjective, insinuating, propaganda words.
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Empirical method:
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/info/testimony.html

Cute little story, Jay. On the irritating side of reality, but just indicative of your emotional style at times. You probably need some cuddling. Poor dear. Using the term "ballbusting" is often a tactic males use to subdue and control females who threaten their sense of power through their own level of logic and reasoning skills. I'm sorry Jay had to resort to such a tactic with me. Again, he must need cuddling. Let's all hug Jay! Group HUG!!!

Anyway to go on:

WMM's contribution noted the fact of scientists themselves arguing over the carbon and climate statistics. Obviously measurements will be continued as a more precise picture of the carbon-warming-cooling-heating-weather picture will become more lucid to all. For now, being on the safe side in reducing carbon emissions seems to be the agreed approach from corporate to governmental / legislative to private interests.

Every link I provided and quote quoted included measurement indices downloaded into computers to form the graphs and equations given. Nasa is not a propaganda site for environmentalists by any means. Computers do not spew forth data without data input which is the empirical part of the data collecting.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/BOREASCarbon/missing_carbon_2.html

Not one so-called empirical data set claims that all the carbon we produce as a nation is absorbed by our continent in total. Not one.

From Jay's link:

However, other techniques involving carbon inventories and models do not indicate as large a sink, but may not be adequate in scope. All the evidence from atmospheric measurements indicates that there is substantial variability in terrestrial carbon dioxide uptake, which is not well understood. If we are to have any hope of prudent management with the goal of influencing terrestrial carbon dioxide uptake, we must understand the cause of the variability in carbon dioxide uptake. Temperature changes can affect many of these processes. Thus, future effects of climate change on carbon sequestration must be considered.

For this reason, the US Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) produced a report entitled "A U.S. Carbon Cycle Science Plan" in 1999. Copies of this report have been distributed to the committee. The plan presents a strategy for a research program to deliver credible predictions of future atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, given realistic emission and climate scenarios, and in particular, improving our estimates of the North American carbon sink.

In summary, progress on the understanding of the global carbon cycle and how it has responded to human presence on the planet has been remarkable in the past 10 years. We now believe that the North American continent presents a major sink for carbon dioxide emissions. We also know that this sink is highly variable, but we do not know why. The U.S. now has a plan that includes the study of this important sink, and in particular, its regional nature. The successful carrying out of the USGCRP's "U.S. Carbon Cycle Science Plan" would benefit the economic future and well-being of the country.

I contributed an empirical study indicating increased rainfall as a direct (duh) stimulant to increased plant growth and thus increased carbon dioxide uptake. It was not a computer model. What Jay's site and the other NOAA and NASA sites do say is that the forests (aboreal) and plants seem to be the major carbon absorbers of the northern hemisphere.

http://nasadaacs.eos.nasa.gov/

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/BOREASCarbon/

Clarity check: To say that air masses entering the North Pacific edge of the continent leave at the Eastern edge of our continent with less CO2 does not mean the continent absorbs ALL of the CO2 we create. More than anything it reveals cross oceanic CO2 travel from other countries west of the Pacific Coast and a carbon sink on our continent that varies in its absorption rate. In no way do any of Jay's quotes, links, or statements prove that CO2 is absorbed into our continent to clean up and capture a hundred percent of the CO2 that we as a nation produce.

Jay's link:

Conclusion

Progress on the understanding of the global carbon cycle and how it has responded to human presence on the planet has been remarkable in the past 10 years. We now believe that the North American continent presents a major sink for carbon dioxide emissions. We also know that this sink is highly variable but we do not know why. The U.S. now has a plan that includes the study of this important sink, and in particular, its regional nature. We also have a community of scientists who are ready to execute that plan. Thank you Mr. Chairman for your interest in this matter. I would be happy to address any questions you and your committee may have.

Boomer Chick

12-04-2005, 10:44 AM

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Boomer Chick

12-04-2005, 10:46 AM

WOW! Great articles, FS!

Boomer Chick

12-04-2005, 10:48 AM

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Boomer Chick

12-07-2005, 12:11 PM

An American Energy Harvest Plan

by Pennsylvania Governor Edward G. Rendell
In the 1970s, America was abuzz with optimism about the potential for clean renewable energy. Solar, wind and synthetic fuels captured the imagination of environmentalists and scientists alike. But these renewable fuels did not capture the marketplace because they simply cost too much for each kW of electricity and each gallon of fuel they produced.
...read the complete RE Insider at RenewableEnergyAccess.com (http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=40073)

foot_soldier

12-07-2005, 12:50 PM

foot_soldier

12-08-2005, 09:55 AM

December 7, 2005

Bush treats planet as his alone

THE INDEPENDENT
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/251030_warming07.html

It is as if we were living on two planets. Here, in the real world, the evidence that global warming is already doing immense damage to the Earth is mounting with terrifying speed. In the past two weeks alone, we have learned that the Greenland ice cap appears to be on the point of irreversible meltdown, that the Kalahari Desert is to double in size, that sea and bird life has collapsed dramatically off the U.S. Pacific coast and that the mighty Gulf Stream (which keeps Britain habitable) has weakened abruptly. This year is expected to be the hottest ever, and hurricanes are breaking all records. It is impossible to dispute the conclusion last week of the British environment secretary, Margaret Beckett, that this is "the greatest threat facing mankind."

But over on the other planet -- in Montreal, where 189 nations are meeting to work out how to combat the threat -- the issue is being tackled with all the urgency and productiveness of a more than usually constipated parish council discussing how to celebrate the queen's putative centenary.

No one expects an outcome that remotely begins to address the gravity of the crisis; the best that can be hoped for is an agreement on more talks next year, and even that will be hard to achieve. There is no chance of any decision on concrete action. Here is Beckett again, having apparently traveled from one planet to the other: Anyone suggesting that the conference should agree to binding pollution reduction targets when the ones agreed under the Kyoto protocol run out in 2012 is, she said, "living in cloud-cuckoo-land."

Much of this is, of course, down to the oil-soaked obduracy of President Bush and his bunch of corporately compromised cronies. By refusing even to talk about targets, they have ensured that the negotiations take place in an atmosphere of unreality. But it is not just him: British Prime Minister Tony Blair, for example, seems to have a different face for each planet. In one world -- as when trying to persuade Britain to embrace nuclear power last week -- he voices strong support for a binding treaty to succeed Kyoto; in the other -- as when with senior members of the Bush administration -- he casts doubt on it. Internationally, he deserves enormous credit for having put the issue high on the agenda through making it a priority at the Gleneagles summit; domestically, he has earned brickbats for having presided over an increase in Britain's carbon dioxide emissions.

Meanwhile, John Prescott -- who brokered the Kyoto treaty -- is unveiling a new greenhouse building code that actually lowers standards for energy consumption.

The marchers who demonstrated around the world are entitled to ask who is really in cloud-cuckoo-land and to demand that our leaders return to the real world. Britain, holding the presidency of the European Union, should be taking a lead in pressing for action in Montreal, rather than merely holding the ring.

Blair should confront Bush: The only time the president has shifted his position is when Britain effectively threatened to isolate him at Gleneagles; cozying up to him has been disastrous. The rest of the rich world should commit itself in principle at Montreal to setting new, stricter targets to follow Kyoto. If this means leaving him on his own planet, so be it. To join him will doom the Earth to destruction.

foot_soldier

12-08-2005, 09:59 AM

How America plotted to stop Kyoto deal
By Andrew Buncombe in Montreal
Published: 08 December 2005
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article331768.ece

A detailed and disturbing strategy document has revealed an extraordinary American plan to destroy Europe's support for the Kyoto treaty on climate change.

The ambitious, behind-the-scenes plan was passed to The Independent this week, just as 189 countries are painfully trying to agree the second stage of Kyoto at the UN climate conference in Montreal. It was pitched to companies such as Ford Europe, Lufthansa and the German utility giant RWE.

Put together by a lobbyist who is a senior official at a group partly funded by ExxonMobil, the world's biggest oil company and a fierce opponent of anti-global warming measures, the plan seeks to draw together major international companies, academics, think-tanks, commentators, journalists and lobbyists from across Europe into a powerful grouping to destroy further EU support for the treaty.

It details just how the so-called "European Sound Climate Policy Coalition" would work. Based in Brussels, the plan would have anti-Kyoto position papers, expert spokesmen, detailed advice and networking instantly available to any politician or company who wanted to question the wisdom of proceeding with Kyoto and its demanding cuts in carbon dioxide emissions.

It has been drawn up by Chris Horner, a senior official with the Washington-based Competitive Enterprise Institute and a veteran campaigner against Kyoto and against the evidence of climate change. One of his colleagues * who describes himself as an adviser to President George Bush * was the subject of a censure motion by the Commons last year after he attacked the Government's chief scientist.

Mr Horner, whose CEI group has received almost $1.5m (£865,000) from ExxonMobil, is convinced that Europe could be successfully influenced by such a policy coalition just as the US government has been.

He thinks Europe's weakening economies are likely to be increasingly ill at ease with the costs of meeting Kyoto. And in particular, he has spotted something he thinks most of Europe has not yet woken up to. Most of the original 15 EU Kyoto signatories * Britain is an exception * are on course to miss their 2010 CO2 reduction targets. But under the terms of the treaty, they will face large fines for doing so, in terms of much bigger reduction targets in any second phase.

These will prove unacceptably costly to their economies, Mr Horner believes, even if they try to buy their way out by buying up "spare" emissions for cash from countries such as Russia. Mr Horner believes the moment for his coalition is at hand and has been seeking support for it from multinational companies. In his pitch to one major company, he wrote: " In the US an informal coalition has helped successfully to avert adoption of a Kyoto-style programme by maintaining a rational voice for civil society and ensuring a legitimate debate over climate economics, science and politics. This model should be emulated... to guide similar efforts in Europe."

Elsewhere he claimed: "A coalition addressing the economic and social impacts of the EU climate agenda must be broad-based (cross industry) and rooted in the member states. Other companies (including Lufthansa, Exxon, Ford) have already indicated their interest!"..... (continued)

Boomer Chick

12-09-2005, 01:47 PM

Boomer Chick, I'm trying to locate that excellent "test" you posted a few days back so I can print it out. I can't remember which thread it's in. <sigh> Would you mind re-posting it *here* when you get a minute - thanks very much!

http://www.colorado.edu/epob/epob3180bolton/Ex1key.html

Wish it included the other pages of the test! It's the key! Maybe you could locate the rest once you get there? I tried but failed. Maybe just clicking the edu site might bring it up somewhere? As it was.... I found it quite interesting and enlightening and to think the colleges were teaching that back in 2001 or 2 ...... gives one hope.

halva

12-09-2005, 07:47 PM

jayreynolds

12-09-2005, 07:51 PM

FS would you mind reposting worthwhile references that BC puts up? Thanks.
Wayne's trying to pretend he has BC "ignore listed".
Wayne, you never ignored anybody here.
Every time you say you do, you always eventually respond, showing that you weren't ignoring anything.
Don't even try.

Boomer Chick

12-09-2005, 09:59 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

US Delegates Refuse to Participate in Global Warming Talks (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aI_VP7vXpswU&refer=top_world_news)
Bloomberg - USA
9 (Bloomberg) -- US delegates refused to participate in global warming talks in Montreal late yesterday after objecting to non-binding negotiations to limit ...
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Strip clubs, Global warming and torture (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/veb/archives/100762.asp)
Seattle Post Intelligencer - USA
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US's Frigid Stance on Global Warming (http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20051209&hn=27328)
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Global warming already hitting Pacific islands (http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1528108.htm)
Radio Australia - Australia
It's being described as the first case in the world of the formal displacement of an entire human population because of global warming. ...

Gasoline fee needed to fund global warming measures, panel says (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13362950.htm)
San Jose Mercury News - CA, USA
... officials are the first attempt to say how California can meet Schwarzenegger's ambitious pledge to cut pollution believed to contribute to global warming. ...

Global warming: we must act now (http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=23240&cat_id=1)
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... following suit. This is why it is so important to reach agreement on global action to cut emissions in Montreal this month. A half ...

Rutgers study reveals global warming is raising sea levels ... (http://www.newstarget.com/015577.html)
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A team of scientists at Rutgers University claims that global warming has caused worldwide sea levels to rise twice as fast as they were 150 years ago. ...
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Eastern Europeans seek action against global warming (http://science.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1067797.php/Eastern_Europeans_seek_action_against_global_warmi ng)
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Montreal, Canada - Eastern European nations have called for concerted action against global warming as UN climate change talks headed Friday into the final ...
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Boomer Chick

12-09-2005, 10:02 PM

U.S. Delegates Refuse to Participate in Global Warming Talks Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. delegates refused to participate in global warming talks in Montreal late yesterday after objecting to non-binding negotiations to limit carbon dioxide emissions.

The delegation rejected a Canadian proposal that allowed U.S. participation in international talks organized by the United Nations without committing to emissions cuts. U.S. officials in Montreal wouldn't comment on their action, according to a spokeswoman who declined to give her name.

About 10,000 representatives from almost 200 countries gathered in Montreal, the largest meeting on climate change since 1997, when delegates in Kyoto, Japan, agreed to the Kyoto Protocol to limit global greenhouse gas emissions.

``These are negotiations in which the U.S. didn't take an active part,'' Margaret Beckett, U.K. environment minister, said today in a media briefing. ``We wish to re-engage the U.S. in the process of forward discussion and exploration.''

The administration of George W. Bush favors voluntary reductions in emissions and investments in renewable technologies to combat global warming.

The Kyoto Protocol requires developed countries to cut carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gasses to 7 percent below 1990 levels by 2012. The Bush administration in 2001 rejected the agreement as too costly for the U.S., which emits 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gasses.

``If there was ever any doubt about the Bush administration tactics, they showed their true colors last night by refusing to negotiate even about a dialogue,'' Jennifer Morgan, director of climate change at World Wildlife Fund International, said at a media briefing in Montreal.

Negotiators were in Montreal to plan the next round of greenhouse gas cuts before the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012. The Kyoto parties today reached an informal agreement to continue talks on reducing emissions over the next few years without the U.S., according to conference participants.

``What we've seen at this meeting is momentum building to take the Kyoto Protocol forward, to develop the next round of commitments for industrialized countries,'' Bill Hare, climate director for Greenpeace International, said at a media briefing.

To contact the reporters on this story:Christopher Martin in Chicago at cmartin11@bloomberg.net;Frederic Tomesco in Montreal at tomesco@bloomberg.net.Last Updated: December 9, 2005 13:45 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aI_VP7vXpswU&refer=top_world_news

Did I hear some cackling old strutting roosters?

Boomer Chick

12-09-2005, 10:04 PM

Clinton Says Bush Is 'Flat Wrong' on Kyoto
By Charles J. Hanley
The Associated Press

Friday 09 December 2005

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/120905Q.shtml

whitemajikman

12-11-2005, 01:24 PM

bump

halva

12-11-2005, 01:41 PM

How much of this is a prescripted scenario??

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article332384.ece

Climate campaigners claim greatest ever success at Montreal

Humiliation for Bush as last-minute twist means an isolated US is forced to sign up for future talks on global warming

By Andrew Buncombe in Montreal and Geoffrey Lean
Published: 11 December 2005

The fight against catastrophic global warming scored its greatest success to date yesterday, when negotiators from more than 180 nations unexpectedly agreed to develop far-reaching measures to combat climate change.

In the process, the delegates to the climate summit in Montreal dealt a humiliating blow to President George Bush's five-year attempt to destroy the Kyoto Protocol. The United States, which tried to sabotage the meeting at the last minute by walking out of the negotiations, was forced to join the agreement after failing to persuade a single nation to join it.

Many delegates - including Margaret Beckett, the UK's Secretary of State for the Environment - were openly in tears when agreement was finally reached yesterday morning after two successive all-night sessions and as many dramas and cliff-hangers as a second-rate soap opera.

Mrs Beckett told The Independent on Sunday that it represented an even greater breakthrough than the original agreement of the Kyoto Protocol almost exactly eight years ago. Environmentalists hailed the agreement - which exceeded the most optimistic expectations - as "historic".

The agreement marks the culmination of a remarkable year for the world's attempts to bring global warming under control before it is too late. Not much more than a year ago, the Kyoto Protocol had yet to come into force, many leading commentators were writing its obituary, and the US administration was blocking any attempts even to talk about future negotiations.

Then Russia - the key hold-out - ratified the protocol, enabling it to come into force in February, and Tony Blair made climate change one of the top priorities of Britain's presidencies of the EU and the G8 group of industrialised nations this year. At the G8 Gleneagles summit this summer President Bush had to agree to further talks.

Yesterday's agreement - far from burying the Kyoto Protocol as the US wanted - has confirmed it and extended it. The 39 nations governed by it - all the industrialised countries apart from the US and Australia - have agreed in principle to make deeper cuts in the pollution emissions causing climate change when their present clean-up commitments run out in 2012.

They have decided to agree the new cuts by 2008, far faster than expected.

Meanwhile the US has, against its will, had to agree to talks with both rich and developing countries to new measures that all nations can take on combating the threat. The resolution is vague and the talks are only "open and non-binding", but it is far more than the US wanted or most people expected.

The atmosphere at the Montreal meeting was far more determined to reach agreement than either the US or its bitterest critics had expected, following a year of constant, alarming evidence that climate change is happening far faster than scientists had predicted. These included a record hurricane season, record melting of sea ice and glaciers in the Arctic, and disturbing signs that the Gulf Stream - which makes Britain inhabitable - may be beginning to fail.

So when the US walked out, it failed to find any support, despite intensive lobbying of delegation after delegation, as the rest of the world resolved to go ahead without it.

At the same time, the Bush administration has come under enormous pressure at home with three-quarters of Americans now demanding action on climate change and nearly 200 cities and many states taking their own far-reaching measures to cut pollution. Bill Clinton also fatally undermined the US position by calling it "dead wrong".

Last night, Tony Juniper, a director of Friends of the Earth, called the deal "excellent". Phil Clapp, head of the US National Environmental Trust, said it was "absolutely extraordinary".

The fight against catastrophic global warming scored its greatest success to date yesterday, when negotiators from more than 180 nations unexpectedly agreed to develop far-reaching measures to combat climate change.

In the process, the delegates to the climate summit in Montreal dealt a humiliating blow to President George Bush's five-year attempt to destroy the Kyoto Protocol. The United States, which tried to sabotage the meeting at the last minute by walking out of the negotiations, was forced to join the agreement after failing to persuade a single nation to join it.

Many delegates - including Margaret Beckett, the UK's Secretary of State for the Environment - were openly in tears when agreement was finally reached yesterday morning after two successive all-night sessions and as many dramas and cliff-hangers as a second-rate soap opera.

Mrs Beckett told The Independent on Sunday that it represented an even greater breakthrough than the original agreement of the Kyoto Protocol almost exactly eight years ago. Environmentalists hailed the agreement - which exceeded the most optimistic expectations - as "historic".

The agreement marks the culmination of a remarkable year for the world's attempts to bring global warming under control before it is too late. Not much more than a year ago, the Kyoto Protocol had yet to come into force, many leading commentators were writing its obituary, and the US administration was blocking any attempts even to talk about future negotiations.

Then Russia - the key hold-out - ratified the protocol, enabling it to come into force in February, and Tony Blair made climate change one of the top priorities of Britain's presidencies of the EU and the G8 group of industrialised nations this year. At the G8 Gleneagles summit this summer President Bush had to agree to further talks.
Yesterday's agreement - far from burying the Kyoto Protocol as the US wanted - has confirmed it and extended it. The 39 nations governed by it - all the industrialised countries apart from the US and Australia - have agreed in principle to make deeper cuts in the pollution emissions causing climate change when their present clean-up commitments run out in 2012.

They have decided to agree the new cuts by 2008, far faster than expected.

Meanwhile the US has, against its will, had to agree to talks with both rich and developing countries to new measures that all nations can take on combating the threat. The resolution is vague and the talks are only "open and non-binding", but it is far more than the US wanted or most people expected.

The atmosphere at the Montreal meeting was far more determined to reach agreement than either the US or its bitterest critics had expected, following a year of constant, alarming evidence that climate change is happening far faster than scientists had predicted. These included a record hurricane season, record melting of sea ice and glaciers in the Arctic, and disturbing signs that the Gulf Stream - which makes Britain inhabitable - may be beginning to fail.

So when the US walked out, it failed to find any support, despite intensive lobbying of delegation after delegation, as the rest of the world resolved to go ahead without it.

At the same time, the Bush administration has come under enormous pressure at home with three-quarters of Americans now demanding action on climate change and nearly 200 cities and many states taking their own far-reaching measures to cut pollution. Bill Clinton also fatally undermined the US position by calling it "dead wrong".

Last night, Tony Juniper, a director of Friends of the Earth, called the deal "excellent". Phil Clapp, head of the US National Environmental Trust, said it was "absolutely extraordinary".

jayreynolds

12-11-2005, 05:05 PM

Bill Clinton also fatally undermined the US position by calling it "dead wrong".

Knock'em dead with his moral authority, eh?
A bit hyperbolic. Sound like those folks were giddy with Dr. feel-good.
Oh, well, now they can all fly back home.
Ha!

foot_soldier

12-11-2005, 07:31 PM

http://www.colorado.edu/epob/epob3180bolton/Ex1key.html

Wish it included the other pages of the test! It's the key! Maybe you could locate the rest once you get there? I tried but failed. Maybe just clicking the edu site might bring it up somewhere? As it was.... I found it quite interesting and enlightening and to think the colleges were teaching that back in 2001 or 2 ...... gives one hope.
Thank you kindly for this link! I'll try to locate (a link to) the original test when I have more time. It's possible that only the key would be available online at this point. At any rate it's an excellent set of questions and I really appreciate your providing access to it.

foot_soldier

12-11-2005, 07:39 PM

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 08:36 AM

CLIMATE CHANGE
World Leaves the U.S. Behind

The United States emerged isolated from the rest of the world at the two-week United Nations Climate Change conference (http://unfccc.int/meetings/cop_11/items/3394.php), which ended on Dec. 9. During the conference, the seas rose by 0.077mm (http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article331972.ece); 1,176 million barrels of oil were pumped; 280,000 hectares of forest were destroyed; and 907 million tons of greenhouse gases were discharged. In the face of strong scientific evidence that the climate is changing (http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9406) and the world is increasing (http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/facts_and_figures/us_ghgemissions90_04.cfm) its greenhouse gas emissions (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggccebro/chapter1.html), the Bush administration continued to reject and stall international agreements (http://allafrica.com/stories/200512090639.html) to reduce world pollution. From not signing the Kyoto Protocol (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-07.htm) in 2001, to rejecting binding talks on emission reductions (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051211/ap_on_sc/climate_change_clinton) at this past weekend's conference, the Bush administration has proved itself to be out of step, choosing excuses over action, as the rest of the world moves forward. (For an alternative approach to climate change, check out this report (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=306503), co-sponsored by American Progress.)

A 'DIFFERENT VIEW' FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD: More than 150 countries, including nearly every industrialized nation, agreed "to engage in talks aimed at producing a new set of binding limits (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/10/AR2005121001405.html) on greenhouse gas emissions that would take effect beginning in 2012." The United States, which produces 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, not only sat out of this agreement, it also walked out of informal discussions (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1395597&page=1) aimed at finding new ways to curb gases. But U.S. objections were based more on politics than substance. The United States rejected language lifted directly (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4508928.stm) from the G8 communique (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4508928.stm) signed by President Bush in July 2005, and reengaged only after the British government made a direct call to the White House (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2386052005). Similarly, administration officials "privately threatened organizers (http://newyorkmag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/15314/index.html)" of the conference, "telling them that any chance there might’ve been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton to speak at the gathering." (Organizers allowed him to speak anyway; Clinton called the Bush administration's approach to climate change "flat wrong (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/09/climate.clinton.ap/).") The White House contends that it has a "a different view (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1395597&page=1)" from most other nations. "It is our belief that progress cannot be made through these formalized discussions (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051207/kyoto_treaty_051207/20051207?hub=TopStories)," said U.S. Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky. But the rest of the world isn't waiting for the United States. "Just because the Bush administration doesn't want this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/10/AR2005121001405_2.html) doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't see this as the right thing to do," said Danish negotiator Eva Jensen.

HORNER'S DIRTY TACTICS: Chris Horner (http://www.cei.org/dyn/view_Expert.cfm?Expert=148) is counsel at the right-wing Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), which has received more than $1.3 million in funding from oil giant ExxonMobil (http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1661741,00.html). Horner "also acts for the Cooler Heads Coalition, a group set up 'to dispel the myth of global warming.'" But at the U.N. conference, Horner posed as a journalist. With press credentials (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051207-121631-7233r.htm) from the right-wing Washington Times (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/24/moon/), Horner appeared at the State Department's press briefing for U.S. journalists on Dec. 7, without even a notebook, according to Andrew Buncombe of the Independent, who was also at the briefing. Instead of questioning the White House's position on climate change, Horner attempted to portray the U.S. position as leading the "new consensus (http://www.state.gov/g/rls/rm/2005/57867.htm)." Horner is not a journalist; in the last two years, his only published work was a single op-ed in the Washington Times (http://www.cei.org/dyn/pubs_by_author.cfm/pubs_by_author.cfm?expert=148). But Horner is quite experienced at underhanded tactics. He drew up a plan, funded by ExxonMobil, for a secret "European Sound Climate Policy Coalition" intended to "to destroy Europe's support for the Kyoto treaty (http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article331768.ece) on climate change." The plan hoped to emulate the White Houses's success in stalling progress on climate change: "In the US an informal coalition has helped successfully to avert adoption of a Kyoto-style program. This model should be emulated (http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1661741,00.html), as appropriate, to guide similar efforts in Europe."

STATE AND LOCAL ACTION ON GLOBAL WARMING: Not only is the White House being left behind by other nations, but states are also moving ahead without the federal government. In September, New Mexico became the first state to join the Chicago Climate Exchange (http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/news/press/release_20050916_NewMexico_print.html), promising to reduce the state's greenhouse gas emissions by four percent by 2006. California has unveiled a set of new initiatives "to cap greenhouse gases (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-warming6dec06,1,657706.story?coll=la-headlines-california) and force industries to report emissions of carbon dioxide," which contradicts the Bush administration's no-mandatory limits policy. Seattle mayor Greg Nickels has also organized a grassroots campaign to tackle global warming, enlisting the cooperation of more than 180 of the nation's mayors, and eight Northeastern states proposed a plan "to set a ceiling on greenhouse gas emissions from power plants." Take action with Greenpeace (http://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=74&ref_source=kyotoblog) and call on more lawmakers to make progress on global warming.

***

This report was furnished by the Center for American Progress at www.americanprogress.org (http://www.americanprogress.org/) and I receive their daily column "Talking Points" which you can access at the site and also choose to receive in your inbox. I'm pleased that they concentrated on the Climate meeting in Montreal and gave their progressive view of it along with their usual attributions. I love this site!

TALKING POINTS
Standing Alone on Climate Change (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=699965&ct=1722413)

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 08:42 AM

I'm impressed with this thoughtful solutions statement by the Amercian Progress team:

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=306503

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 08:50 AM

TALKING POINTS Standing Alone on Climate Change (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=699965&ct=1722413)

OH! I see we're on another page! So I'm reposting the American Progress page on Climate Change! It's chock full of information, just in case you missed it as the last post on the previous page.

Looking forward to postings on the reactions to the Montreal Climate meeting.

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 09:35 AM

Google Alert for: global warming

US Isolated by Stance on Global Warming (http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/12/11/ap2383657.html)
Forbes - USA
... the world, and cause for frustration among many nations that believe the United States has set a glacial pace toward reversing the onset of global warming. ...
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US Isolated by Stance on Global Warming (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1395597)
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World Moves Forward on Global Warming, Bush Administration Stays ... (http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/11854/)
Kansas City infoZine - Kansas City,MO,USA
Montreal - infoZine - In a major step forward in the fight against global warming, industrial nations other than the United States and Australia agreed early ...
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Global warming of a global village (http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-optay104546997dec11,0,5939567.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines)
Newsday - Long Island,NY,USA
... The 156 signers of the Kyoto global warming treaty ended their meetings in Montreal on Friday with China and India, the two giants of the developing world ...
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Laina Farhat-Holzman: Prepare for global warming; it's on its way (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/December/11/edit/stories/05edit.htm)
Santa Cruz Sentinel - Santa Cruz,CA,USA
2, "Global Warming Protests Planned." Activists demand urgent action on global warming and will take to the streets. ... No, global warming is not a funny matter. ...
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Golden State aims to combat pollution, global warming (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news051211_2.htm)
Durango Herald - Durango,CO,USA
... Arnold Schwarzenegger and passed Nov. 21 by a state energy panel aims to combat the Golden State's contribution to global warming. ...
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Land-use impact discovered in global warming (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3298451)
Denver Post - Denver,CO,USA
... much as extra greenhouse gases do. In Colorado, turning woodlands to wheat may counteract global warming, according to a new study. ...
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The US isolated at talks on global warming (http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=25&newsid=63236)
Daily Nation (subscription) - Nairobi,Kenya
... He and a horde of oil industry buddies sneer at the myth of global warming. The lot can argue industries didn't exist then. Myth confirmed. ...

Global warming (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/373717p-317730c.html)
New York Daily News - New York,NY,USA
It's not really happening. Fact: There's overwhelming scientific evidence that the Earth's atmosphere is warming. It's part of a ...
Couple practice what they preach on global warming (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/12/11/couple_practice_what_they_preach_on_global_warming )
Boston Globe - United States
... or about 320 miles, to be more exact -- to show their concern about world climate change by representing the Sierra Club at a global environmental conference ...

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 09:42 AM

Another new and interesting climate change site:

http://www.climatemash.org/

Boomer Chick

12-12-2005, 09:43 AM

http://www.climatemash.org/files/lyrics.pdf

This pdf contains more information than just the lyrics. It offers a full rundown on the architects of opposition to controlling our GGs!

whitemajikman

12-12-2005, 10:25 AM

December 12, 2005

The two-week United Nations Climate Change conference ended on December 9 with the United States standing apart from the rest of the world on climate change. In the face of strong evidence that the climate is changing, the Bush administration has stalled and rejected international agreements to reduce global warming pollution. From not signing Kyoto in 2001 to walking out of talks this weekend, the Bush administration continues to be out of step with the world, choosing politics over sound policy.

Whats The Big Deal......?

Bush has Chosen to commit Global Political Suicide.....

This is Just One more Instance of that fact.......

The More Bush Decides to Isolate America from the the Rest Of The World and their Views on Climate Change The more the World Wakes up to his Insanity......

Let's be honest here Boomer.......

Bush Has Made America The Most Hated Nation On The Planet......

And Has Put Americans in Jeapardy for years to come.........

Also When You allow a guy Like Chris Horner to try and affect reality by using deception and Propaganda, What does that say about the Bush Administration and where it is Headed....?

Horner posed as a journalist. With press credentials from the right-wing Washington Times, Horner appeared at the State Department's press briefing for U.S. journalists on Dec. 7, without even a notebook, according to Andrew Buncombe of the Independent, who was also at the briefing. Instead of questioning the White House's position on climate change, Horner attempted to portray the U.S. position as leading the "new consensus."

"New Concensus"........?

Whoms Concensus, The Bush Spindoctors? The Bush Propaganda Mill? Because Realistically it is not the Consensus Of The Rest Of The World.

But What Is Evident Is The Fact That If Bush Were To Take A Stand Against Climate Change...... His Visions Of Global Hegemony and Those of his Supporters would be all put to rest.

Because the days of Plundering others Natural Resources would have to cease, and REAL alternatives to fossil fuel Would Have To Be Implemented......

Up To This Point .......The "Oilman" President only cares about HIS Lifetime And The Riches He Can amass in HIS Lifetime.........

But The Problem Then Becomes More Complex.......

Because If Bush Is Willing to SELL OUT the FUTURE of America by doing Nothing........

What other aspects of AMERICA and it's FUTURE is He willing to SELL OUT........??

And Then Another question Pops To Mind......

Does Bush and his Supporters Really Care About AMERICA and AMERICANS or has he bought into Global Elitism and The New World Order................?

WMM

Boomer Chick

12-13-2005, 03:34 PM

December 12, 2005

Whats The Big Deal......?

Bush has Chosen to commit Global Political Suicide.....yes, he's not thinking about our reputation and about getting along in the world... a very selfish and bullying kind of regime

This is Just One more Instance of that fact.......yup

The More Bush Decides to Isolate America from the the Rest Of The World and their Views on Climate Change The more the World Wakes up to his Insanity......

Let's be honest here Boomer.......Yes? I'm listening....

Bush Has Made America The Most Hated Nation On The Planet......YUP!

And Has Put Americans in Jeapardy for years to come.........Not if we can help it!

Also When You allow a guy Like Chris Horner to try and affect reality by using deception and Propaganda, What does that say about the Bush Administration and where it is Headed....? Manipulative assholes?

"New Concensus"........?

WhomsWhose Concensus, The Bush Spindoctors? No.The Bush Propaganda Mill? Because Realistically it is not the Consensus Of The Rest Of The World.Definately not. More of our citizens and most of the world's citizens see the reality. Don't worry.....they're going down.

But What Is Evident Is The Fact That If Bush Were To Take A Stand Against Climate Change...... His Visions Of Global Hegemony and Those of his Supporters would be all put to rest.Well, the visions and goals are delusional anyway. The only way to enter this new century is to enter it in partnership and cooperation with the rest of the world. Not the opposite. It's a foolhardy and mistaken delusion to think they could control and dominate the world.

Because the days of Plundering others Natural Resources would have to cease, and REAL alternatives to fossil fuel Would Have To Be Implemented......yes

Up To This Point .......The "Oilman" President only cares about HIS Lifetime And The Riches He Can amass in HIS Lifetime.........yes and keeping his country and his companies going strong with lots of oil and energy... not to mention the money flowing into the party coffers.

But The Problem Then Becomes More Complex.......

Because If Bush Is Willing to SELL OUT the FUTURE of America by doing Nothing........yes?

What other aspects of AMERICA and it's FUTURE is He willing to SELL OUT........?? precisely? I already thought about that regarding 911.

And Then Another question Pops To Mind......

Does Bush and his Supporters Really Care About AMERICA and AMERICANS or has he bought into Global Elitism and The New World Order................? Doesn't seem as though they do except for their companies and their interests in certain individuals and companies....the rest of the population and other businesses can fend for themselves as far as they're concerned.

WMM

Happy Holidays!

Boomer Chick

12-13-2005, 03:37 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Montreal global warming conference shows US is part of the problem ... (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/3520354.html)
Houston Chronicle - United States
As the accumulating scientific evidence has forced President Bush to acknowledge global warming as a proposition of when rather than if, US negotiators at the ...
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Global Warming Is the 'Real Thing,' Says Ad Featuring Polar Bears (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200512%5 CCUL20051213a.html)
CNSNews.com - Alexandria,VA,USA
By Susan Jones. (CNSNews.com) - "Polar bears may soon be extinct because of global warming." That's the message from Greenpeace USA, which is launching a ...

Keene's global-warming fight praised (http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Keene's%20global-warming%20fight%20praised&articleId=643d1e81-f6b9-4ce7-a97a-d28e12c562b8)
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Global Warming -- A Partial Cure that Needs Help (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/12/prweb321898.htm)
PR Web (press release) - Ferndale,WA,USA
... What are they really doing, if a product that can make such a vital impact on the "Global Warming" situation, is not being used by the people who are supposed ...

Water policies needed to meet challenges of warming: Aziz: Meeting ... (http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/13/top3.htm)
Pakistan Dawn - Karachi,Pakistan
ISLAMABAD, Dec 12: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz called for proactive water policies in order to meet global warming by making sure that an adequate quantity of ...

Bush Was Right to Reject Global Warming Pact (http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10810)
Human Events - USA
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Blogging Global Warming (http://www.nationalcenter.org/2005/12/blogging-global-warming.html)
The National Center for Public Policy Research - Washington,DC,USA
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Scientists Say Global Warming Causing Migration In Yosemite (http://www.mymotherlode.com/News/article/kvml/1134490246)
MyMotherLode.com - Sonora,CA,USA
Yosemite National Park, CA -- Scientists studying Yosemite National Park's wildlife say the effects of global warming may be forcing several animal species to ...

Global warming: It's not too late (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/13/opinion/edhansen.php)
International Herald Tribune - France
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Panel to combat epidemics induced by global warming (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20051213b6.htm)
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foot_soldier

12-14-2005, 07:48 PM

December 14, 2005

Have a Hot, Dry, Stormy Life, Kid
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1214-28.htm

(Originally published in the International Herald Tribune)

Ottawa (Canada) -- My wife and I recently became empty-nesters. Our children moved out, and we began to think of downsizing. But climate change is forcing us to reconsider. My children may need shelter yet.

The thousands of delegates who attended the United Nations conference on climate change in Montreal, which concluded on Dec. 9, reinforced the fact that after some 20 years of debate, the threat of climate change is indisputable and pervasive.

To be sure, climate is not static. It has always changed over time. But this is the first time that humans have been the principal drivers of such change. In heating our homes or propelling ourselves across our planet, we are contributing to the rate of change.

And because there are so many of us, we are now using energy in unprecedented amounts. We are converting carbon stored in coal and oil into atmospheric gases, and the increased carbon dioxide along with other gases in the atmosphere traps heat. The conveniences we use today have serious consequences for our children and grandchildren.

What if one ignores all this and says, If my children are affected, I will provide for them. If they are living in areas likely to be flooded or afflicted by severe droughts, or if they must escape conflicts over resources, or lose their jobs or run out of food, I will take them in, and their children, and maybe even some of their friends.

Those with children living in low-lying areas of the world, and particularly in hurricane-prone regions, must definitely start making plans now. Ocean waters are rising, and storms of increased intensity and frequency are already upon us. The displaced people of New Orleans are still looking for a semblance of normalcy and stability. Island states in the Pacific are building up walls that are probably as vulnerable to breeching as the Louisiana levees.

Oceans are changing. The algae in the seas are absorbing some of the excessive carbon in the air, but as they do so, the acidity of the oceans is rising. You may recall from your chemistry class how calcium carbonate fizzes when acid is poured on it. Shellfish do poorly in acidic waters, so there goes the shrimp, crab and lobster fishing industries. What will your children eat when they move in with you?

In the past, mountain glaciers melted in the warm summer months and were replenished with winter snowfalls, providing a regular source of water downstream. Urban centers expanded, farmlands were irrigated and oil production was enhanced by the water pumped into the ground.

However, as glaciers recede and disappear, water will become scarce, droughts will increase and farm crops will fail. The ice on Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro is already gone. Conflicts are inevitable, as we cannot live without water; I hope you will have some for your children to drink.

Diseases and pests that have been kept in check by limiting temperatures are on the move. Forest-killing beetles are eating their way across areas never touched before in British Columbia and now Alberta. The forests of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario await them. Forestry jobs are at risk, and the dead trees heighten the risk of fires; if your children will be affected, better make some room.

If all that is not enough, polar ice caps are melting and are expected to release a plug of cold, fresh water that could drastically affect ocean currents. Moderating currents like the Gulf Stream will be abruptly deflected, leaving northern countries in the cold and contributing to drought. Wherever they live, our children will have to burn more fossil fuels, perpetuating the problems we are creating for them.

If you are still smug about global warming, I would like to know where you live. I need to move to this safe haven and wait for my children to arrive, along with other displaced people.

Just think of the level of investment we will need to secure this zone. I can't help believing that any measures we can take now would be justified if it will help avoid such chaos in the future. That would enable us to downsize, and to stop using up fuel to heat my empty nest.

Nikita Lopoukhine, formerly director general of national parks in Canada, is chairman of the World Commission on Protected Areas of the World Conservation Union.

halva

12-14-2005, 08:55 PM

bump

Boomer Chick

12-15-2005, 08:40 AM

"It's Not Too Late" Hansen

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/13/opinion/edhansen.php

jayreynolds

12-15-2005, 08:28 PM

"Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after; so that when men come to be undeceived it is too late: the jest is over and the tale has had its effect."- Swift

]2epo]v[an

12-15-2005, 08:35 PM

flashy way of saying slander.

Boomer Chick

12-16-2005, 09:42 PM

"Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after; so that when men come to be undeceived it is too late: the jest is over and the tale has had its effect."- Swift

Indeed. Jonathan Swift. A wise and talented political satire wit with a keen eye for truth.

Boomer Chick

12-16-2005, 09:43 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Global warming to persist until 2050, scientists predict (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1532962.htm)
ABC Online - Australia
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Act locally on global warming (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/13419088.htm)
Miami Herald - FL,USA
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Warming Globally, Acting Locally (http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20051216/warming_globally_acting_locally.php)
TomPaine.com - Washington,D.C.,USA
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GLOBAL WARMING THREATENS SANTA CLAUS (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20051215125704787)
Infoshop News - USA
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Global warming will force Santa into waterwings: WWF (http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=12842)
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Conference puts focus on global warming threat (http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096412126)
Indian Country Today - Canastota,NY,USA
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Now women blame men for global warming (http://www.monitor.co.ug/fullwoman/fwoman12179.php)
The Monitor, Uganda - Kampala,Uganda
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US voluntarily polices itself on global warming (http://www.mywesttexas.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15766424&BRD=2288&PAG=461&dept_id=475590&rfi=6)
MyWestTexas.com - Midland,TX,USA
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Boomer Chick

12-20-2005, 08:13 AM

ACTION PAGE: http://www.millionphonemarch.com/anwr.htm (http://www.millionphonemarch.com/anwr.htm)

It's now or never if we want to save the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and the White House and Republican leaders in Congress are stacking the odds against us.

if (wtv) { document.write(''); document.write(''); }They're using underhanded procedural tactics to sneak through legislation to destroy the Arctic Refuge. Now they want to sneak ANWR back in through the Defense Bill. Maria Cantwell has declared she will lead a filibuster. Will we support her or not?

These votes will decide the fate of the Refuge. It's no time to be sitting on the sidelines. We have to make our voice heard in this debate on Capitol Hill, and if we lose the vote there, we have to make sure we don't lose the debate across America.

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Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are currently rising one percent year, while the ice caps melt and we see unprecedented hurricane violence already. The insanity of putting every atom of carbon since prehistoric times back into the atmosphere must stop! Instead we must get serious about conservation and have a crash program to develop renewable energy sources.

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AMEN!

jayreynolds

12-20-2005, 06:02 PM

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 · Last updated 2:44 p.m. PT

For Stevens, drilling in Alaska is personal payback

By LAURIE KELLMAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON -- The Incredible Hulk appeared Tuesday on the Senate floor, adorning the necktie of Sen. Ted Stevens - a familiar sign that the veteran from Alaska is pumped for the fight to open part of an arctic wildlife refuge to oil drilling.

But to hear his colleagues tell it, Stevens is more like the Grinch who would steal Christmas - and New Year's, if need be - to collect on his end of a vote-swapping deal he struck with two Democrats 25 years ago.

"A promise made is a debt unpaid," Stevens, 82, is fond of repeating. "This is a debt unpaid to this Senate, to the country, to Alaska."

Back in 1980, the deal went like this: Vote yes on setting aside 19 million acres of wilderness, said Sens. Henry "Scoop" Jackson of Washington and Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts, and Congress will support permission to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Stevens agreed. Tsongas and Jackson, meanwhile, died before Congress could grant permission to drill.

Their debt survives, Stevens insists. And he's playing procedural hardball to make the Senate pay up.

"We're going to have to face up to ANWR either now or Christmas Day or New Year's Eve or sometime," Stevens thundered from the Senate floor Tuesday, bucking criticism from drilling opponents furious that he succeeded in attaching the drilling permission to a must-pass bill to fund the military.

Off the floor, Stevens acknowledged he has little to lose by muscling opponents into this uncomfortable choice: Vote for a bill that allows arctic drilling or be seen as blocking money for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, new aid for hurricane victims and subsidies to help the poor meet what are expected to be record winter heating bills.

"This is the toughest battle I've ever had," Stevens said Tuesday, a senatorial red handkerchief perched in a jacket pocket just inches from his surly alter ego.

The big green guy on the necktie is famous in the Senate for injecting a bit of playfulness into spending fights during Stevens' years chairing the Senate Appropriations Committee. "I've won every other battle with it on, so I'm wearing it for this one," Stevens said.

All-night sessions and a list of stalled bills have left little humor on Capitol Hill as the clock ticks toward the end of the year.

"This is, after all, Christmas!" Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., complained on the Senate floor.

The showdown vote could come as early as Wednesday.

The 1980 law doubled to 19 million acres the size of the Alaska wildlife refuge. Stevens said he supported that law only after Jackson and Tsongas promised him that Congress would later consider allowing drilling on a 1.5 million-acre tract bordering the Beaufort Sea.

Democrats disagreed on whether current senators are obligated to pay what Stevens calls a "debt" owed him by Jackson and Tsongas.

"The Grinch Who Stole the Defense Bill," they called Stevens in a news release put out Tuesday by the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee and Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

"Every Sen. in Washington liked the defense bill a lot," they added, channeling Dr. Seuss. "But Stevens, who lives north, in Alaska, did NOT."

Boomer Chick

12-24-2005, 03:08 PM

Posted on Fri, Dec. 23, 2005
The devil in the deep blue sea
BY ANTHONY R. WOOD
Knight Ridder Newspapers

PHILADELPHIA - Hundreds of miles from any land, the waters of the North Atlantic suddenly developed an oddly deep-blue hue and turned incongruously warm. Patches of peculiar brown seaweed rode the surface, and the ocean brewed mild, damp winds that the muscular 20-year-old could feel on his skin.

To the sailor, Benjamin Franklin, it was a puzzle, one that would baffle and bedevil him for decades. It would take him 40 years to figure out what he had encountered back in 1726. He had crossed a moving, meandering mass of warm water, 300 times stronger than the flow of all the rivers emptying into the Atlantic Ocean. It was a force more powerful than a million nuclear plants.

Franklin would call it "the Gulf Stream," following the lead of generations of whalers. It was a current that over the centuries would conspire to scuttle countless hundreds of ships, hurtle a boatload of Florida-bound Haitian refugees to Nova Scotia, and, more recently, deposit tropical fish on the shores of New Jersey and Rhode Island.

Scientists now know that Franklin had crossed a climate divide, one that made the weather of the New World as different from the Old as the Delaware from the Thames. In the 17th century, William Penn had marveled how the Philadelphia sun was stronger and the days longer, yet the winter air more biting than London's - 700 miles farther north.

Today, scientists worry that the world is crossing yet another climate divide. They see disturbing evidence of change. All of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1990; after Katrina set new standards for devastation, the hurricane season that ended 19 days ago went on to exhaust the alphabet; water temperatures in the North Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico have been near record highs; Arctic ice is melting at alarming rates.

Scientists see signs that the grand North Atlantic "conveyor belt," the marvelously complex system that exports the equator's heat toward the North Pole and helps balance the planet's temperature, may be slowing.

"This is going to be one of the big issues facing humans in this century," says Ruth Curry, a researcher at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

The North Atlantic has become a hot ocean for global-warming research, and the narrow but potent ribbon of current known as the Gulf Stream is at center stage.

Just what is this mysterious force, and why is it so important?

Only in the last generation have scientists come to a deeper understanding of the stream. Now they have a new urgency to find answers - answers that don't come easily, for the stream has been reluctant to give up its secrets.

It has prowled the Atlantic for 60 million years, as inscrutable as it is magnificent.
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In the 1760s, about 40 years after that first encounter with the mysterious blue water, Franklin was in London serving as deputy postmaster for the colonies - and doing so with the same imagination and energy that he apparently applied to everything.

He had recently introduced an important innovation, a fleet of "packet ships" to deliver mail across the Atlantic. Unlike the heavy cargo ships that didn't leave port until they were full, the packets adhered to schedules. The packets were also lighter and faster than the freighters and used smaller crews.

But a mysterious force was outwitting the great innovator. Inexplicably, the cargo ships were completing the mail runs to the colonies 17 days quicker than the packets. Franklin was flummoxed.

He was told that some of the captains were dawdling because they were unhappy with their pay. He sought a second opinion from his cousin, Timothy Folger, a Nantucket whaling captain and dealer in sperm-whale oil who frequently visited London on business.

"Can you explain this?" Franklin asked.

"Easily", Folger said.

Unlike the savvy freighter captains, the British packet captains obviously knew nothing about the Gulf Stream, which was the lifeblood of his whale hunters. The borders flanking the swift, steady current worked for whales like a superhighway, complete with rest stops. Plankton flourished at the boundaries of warm and cold water. Fish ate the plankton. Whales ate the fish.

In following their quarry, Folger's whalers were tracing the outlines of the Gulf Stream. The whalers often ran into British packet captains, who evidently were no match for the whales in terms of navigational intelligence. They were trying to buck the stream.

Even with a favorable breeze, Folger told his cousin, "they are carried back by the current more than they are forwarded by the wind." If the mail packets got caught in the stream, that would explain why it took them so long to make deliveries.

Folger's whalers often advised the British captains to get out of the current that they called the Gulf Stream, "but they were too wise to be counseled by simple American fishermen."

The British captains had their reasons for following such a circuitous route to reach New York, says Yale Franklin-ologist Ellen R. Cohn. They sailed so far south to avoid the treacherous shoals of Georges Banks off the New England coast, but had no idea of the east-flowing trap that awaited them on that course. They were following an unaltered British sailing manual published 70 years before.

Franklin threw the book away.

Boomer Chick

12-24-2005, 03:13 PM

Now, with its outlines sketched by the whales, the Gulf Stream sat for its first serious portrait. Franklin and Folger drew up a remarkably accurate chart whose mean path closely parallels that shown by satellite data today. Franklin included detailed information on how to stay out of the stream's way.

It was a prodigious achievement. Before Franklin's chart, the Gulf Stream had ambushed countless merchant seamen and pirates, but whatever they learned they kept to themselves, eager to keep their competitive advantage in the new global economy.

How valuable that chart would have been to legions of Franklin's predecessors. In 1497, John and Sebastian Cabot might have kept their beer cold. Instead, the current warmed the precious cargo in the ship's hold. Spanish explorer Ponce de Leon might have avoided major frustration. He bumped into the Gulf Stream in 1513, discovering to his dismay that a favorable wind was no match for the stream as he tried to sail against the northbound current off the Florida coast.

Once Franklin figured out the Gulf Stream, he could not leave it alone. Ultimately, his pioneering measurements laid the groundwork for generations of researchers who would try to peel away the stream's deepest secrets.
---

On April 28, 1775, with the fate of the 13 colonies in the balance, Franklin was on his way to France looking to enlist help for the burgeoning Revolution. Along the way, he decided to do something that would change the course of history - climate history.

In the company of two of his grandchildren, he carefully lowered a thermometer into the ocean at 8 a.m. on April 29. He noted an 11-degree jump in water temperatures, from 60 degrees 14 hours earlier to 71 degrees. He knew he was in the Gulf Stream.

Franklin took his measurements four to six times a day, from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m., until May 2. He would take similar readings every time he crossed the big current.

"I find that it is always warmer than the sea on each side of it," he observed to a French colleague. His advice to captains: Keep a thermometer handy, and use it diligently.

Franklin took measurements whenever he had the opportunity. Seventy years later, Franklin's great-grandson Alexander D. Bache persuaded the U.S. government to take systematic measurements.

The Gulf Stream's true identity would be slow to unfold; key insights came through a series of impressive efforts in the 20th century.

Prince Albert of Monaco, who lived in a resort kingdom where winter was unknown - although it was at a latitude 200 miles north of Philadelphia - had a Franklinesque curiosity. An avid oceanographer, he dropped glass bottles, copper balls and wooden barrels into the ocean from his yacht in the early 1900s. Inside them, he would place requests in 10 languages asking people to report where the objects were found. It is estimated that he sent 1,500 such devices into the North Atlantic.

The returns were startling. The trails of the bottles revealed that the Gulf Stream was part of a wild system of spinning currents. So detailed was his analysis that by the time the First World War ended, he was able to forecast the paths of drifting sea mines.

Oceanographers were getting smarter about the behavior of the Gulf Stream, yet by the mid-20th century, their understanding of what set it in motion was still seriously lacking.
---

The brilliant Henry Stommel changed all that. "Why do our ideas about the ocean circulation have such a peculiarly dreamlike quality?" he once asked. In 1948, he took the Gulf Stream out of the dream world.

Stommel came up with equations to explain why the stream was where it was and why it was so swift.

Despite its name, it is not exactly a stream. It is the western flank of an enormous circle of water, or gyre, in the Atlantic. The center of the gyre, however, is well west of the center of the ocean.

Stommel explained why the western side of an ocean basin is different from the eastern side. The planet's spin creates forces that drive currents toward the west. The Gulf Stream is forced through a narrow channel between the gyre's center and the continent, so it flows rapidly. The water to the east of the center, with more room to spread out, drifts to the south leisurely.

Stommel correctly predicted that similar currents would be found in other ocean basins. His Gulf Stream work earned him the title of the father of modern oceanography.

For an encore, he postulated that the Gulf Stream was withholding another secret. It was moving atop a cold, deepwater current that returned toward the equator. Float devices proved him correct. Warm water was transported northward. It cooled, sank, and returned southward in the deep ocean.

The term "conveyor belt for this didn't surface until the mid-1980s, yet Stommel had described this important piece of the oceanic circulation that helps the planet retain its temperature balance.

The Gulf Stream was more than an obstruction or aid to navigation. It was a key piece of the climate puzzle.

Thanks in large measure to the Gulf Stream, the Atlantic transports more heat northward than the Pacific, even though the Pacific is three times bigger. The explanation has to do with one of the most prosaic substances on Earth: salt.

Salt makes water heavier, and the Atlantic is saltier than the Pacific. Heavier water sinks faster. The sinking in the far North Atlantic pulls more warm water northward, and that keeps the conveyor moving. Climate researchers worry mightily over the fate of the conveyor. They know that the Gulf Stream holds important clues, but the elusive, ever-restless stream isn't making it easy for them.

Boomer Chick

12-24-2005, 03:14 PM

---

It is a perfect day to hunt for aliens off the coast of North Carolina. The sargassum grass, brown and floating in swelling clumps, is far more plentiful than the whitecaps interrupting the deep-blue waters. The Gulf Stream is in a particularly relaxed mood today, calm enough to show off its iridescent fingers.

It is not a day to waste a sliver of late-summer daylight, so Paula Whitfield, a scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who is on the trail of exotic - and invasive - lionfish, is up at sunrise.

Lionfish, the first Pacific invaders ever to show up in the Atlantic, first appeared off the coast of Florida in 2000 and have been migrating northward ever since. At 7:15 sharp, she zips up her black wet suit, slips on her flippers, and waddles cartoonishly across the deck of the Nancy Foster to plunge into one of the most challenging research environments on Earth.

The stream's broad outlines were captured nicely by Franklin's tidy arc, but that arc could not explain how Whitfield's quarry from the tropics could end up on the shores of New England.

Scientists now know that the Gulf Stream has been hiding a far more fascinating, unpredictable and complex character than even Franklin could have imagined. Its very nature makes it all but indiscernible: Ocean currents are among science's largest moving targets.

"The biggest problem is the harshness of the environment," observes William Johns of the University of Miami's Rosenstiel School, who knows this from personal experience.

Johns, tall and soft-spoken and a ringer for actor Patrick Stewart, left Chadds Ford to devote his career to studying currents in the Atlantic and the Florida Straits. But the salt air corrodes instruments, storms scatter them to the four winds, and sharks bite into the cables. The work is monumentally tedious, and research vessels expensive.

On the lionfish mission, the Gulf Stream teaches Whitfield and her divers anew that it is restless and unpredictable. It is moody, meandering to the west and lashing the ship with a swift current. It fights Whitfield and her divers 150 feet under the surface. This is the same current that has transformed the waters off the mid-Atlantic into a tropical aquarium. Twice, her divers have surfaced with Caribbean lobster.

Lionfish - spiky, spectacular, and favorites of the aquarium trade - arrived on the East Coast under mysterious circumstances. The best guess is that an aquarium owner dumped two or more into a Florida canal. Once the fish reached the ocean, the Gulf Stream took care of the rest.

Whitfield's colleague, biologist Roldan Munoz, cuts open a captured female, revealing the dimensions of the potential threat. One female is believed capable of releasing up to 30,000 eggs.

And those eggs float.

Whitfield says it is no coincidence that lionfish sightings closely parallel the paths of the Gulf Stream. They have been sighted as far north and east as the shores of Rhode Island, where the Gulf Stream does not roam. How could that happen?

The stream pinches off into wild eddies on either side. These circular whirlpools, as wide as the stream itself, are the bane of sailboat racers. Lionfish eggs evidently got caught in some that spun toward the Northeast coast.

Whitfield and Munoz think it's important to figure out how many lionfish the Gulf Stream is carrying. The fish are eating everything smaller than themselves, and nothing is eating them.

The stream, however, will not give up the whereabouts of all the lionfish, and Whitfield knows it. She and her team searched 27 suspected hangouts, a tiny fraction of a 1,600-square-mile area off the North Carolina coast, which, in turn, is a tiny fraction of all the possible habitats.

It is the undercurrent of frustration that attends all Gulf Stream research.
---

A clearer picture of the stream is slowly emerging from deepwater cables, instrument packs dropped from ships, and robot submarines, but in some cases the stream is teaching scientists only the depths of their ignorance.

They are now well aware that the Gulf Stream is one piece of an immense system, a "spaghetti diagram of tangled, looping, crossing tracks," in the words of science writer Robert Kunzig. It is impossible to say precisely where the stream begins and ends. Its energetic course has been likened to that of a restless snake held by the tail off Florida.

As evidenced by the lionfish, at any given time the stream's borders might be framed by several large eddies 50 to 100 miles wide. In satellite images, the gyrating eddy patterns evoke van Gogh's "The Starry Night."

The main path of the Gulf Stream moves along at 2 to 6 mph, resembling an immense, albeit serpentine, waterfall. Johns' research has documented that the source of the stream's waters extends all the way to the Brazilian coast and the South Atlantic.

The stream pours through the straits of the Caribbean islands and squeezes into the Gulf of Mexico through Yucatan Strait, making the Gulf waters warm and deep. The water swirls into "loop currents," such as the particularly deep one that ignited Hurricane Katrina.

Eventually, the water shoots through the Florida Straits with almost unimaginable force. The volume of water exiting the straits each day would cover the entire city of Philadelphia with a layer of water five miles deep, by Johns' calculation.

Ocean researchers are circumspect, but they believe they are getting a better handle on the stream's day-to-day behavior. They are getting better at understanding how the stream affects storms, and they are using that knowledge in the computer models that forecast weather.

The stream has inspired bigger ambitions in other scientists, who hope it might lead them to the ultimate forecast. If they can detect changes in the stream, it might tip them off to changes in the global climate.

Today, from the frigid seas of Greenland to the subtropics, an unprecedented effort is under way to monitor the turbulent and chaotic North Atlantic to see whether the immense conveyor belt is changing - or breaking down.

Yet predicting the behavior of the Gulf Stream and the world's climate for the next 100 years is a risky proposition.

It's hard enough forecasting tomorrow's weather, and in some dramatic instances, you can blame the Gulf Stream for that.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/nation/13473496.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Boomer Chick

12-24-2005, 03:17 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

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Marijuanifornia

12-27-2005, 09:22 AM

Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
We hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!

If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!

http://www.jackherer.com

foot_soldier

12-27-2005, 09:55 AM

Re:

Google Alert for: global warming

[/color][/url][/size] Atmospheric physics: Reflections on aerosol cooling (http://www.nature.com/uidfinder/10.1038/4381091a)
Nature.com (subscription) - London,England,UK
... But it may offset greenhouse-gas warming even more than the aerosol direct radiative ... The strategy of using combinations of global space-based and surface-based ...
See all stories on this topic (http://news.google.com/news?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&persist=1&hl=en&client=google&ncl=http://www.nature.com/uidfinder/10.1038/4381091a)
If anyone has an online subscription to the journal "Nature" and would be willing to give a summation of the above-referenced article I would appreciate it very much. Thank you.

jayreynolds

12-27-2005, 02:39 PM

Re:

If anyone has an online subscription to the journal "Nature" and would be willing to give a summation of the above-referenced article I would appreciate it very much. Thank you.
Nature 438, 1138-1141 (22 December 2005) | doi:10.1038/nature04348

Global estimate of aerosol direct radiative forcing from satellite measurements
Nicolas Bellouin1, Olivier Boucher1, Jim Haywood1 and M. Shekar Reddy2

Atmospheric aerosols cause scattering and absorption of incoming solar radiation. Additional anthropogenic aerosols released into the atmosphere thus exert a direct radiative forcing on the climate system1. The degree of present-day aerosol forcing is estimated from global models that incorporate a representation of the aerosol cycles1, 2, 3. Although the models are compared and validated against observations, these estimates remain uncertain. Previous satellite measurements of the direct effect of aerosols contained limited information about aerosol type, and were confined to oceans only4, 5. Here we use state-of-the-art satellite-based measurements of aerosols6, 7, 8 and surface wind speed9 to estimate the clear-sky direct radiative forcing for 2002, incorporating measurements over land and ocean. We use a Monte Carlo approach to account for uncertainties in aerosol measurements and in the algorithm used. Probability density functions obtained for the direct radiative forcing at the top of the atmosphere give a clear-sky, global, annual average of -1.9 W m-2 with standard deviation, 0.3 W m-2. These results suggest that present-day direct radiative forcing is stronger than present model estimates, implying future atmospheric warming greater than is presently predicted, as aerosol emissions continue to decline10.

Met Office, Exeter EX1 3PB, UK
NOAA Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Princeton, New Jersey 08540, USA
Correspondence to: Nicolas Bellouin1 Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to N.B. (Email: nicolas.bellouin@metoffice.gov.uk).

Received 1 August 2005; Accepted 17 October 2005
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hee-hee-hee.
Since they cannot find a deterministic answer, they use the "fancy-footwork" method of getting the answer stochastically and hope people will buy into it. Bottom line: it's anyone's guess.

foot_soldier

12-27-2005, 03:49 PM

Wrong article.

Don't bother, Reynolds.

I'll pick it up at the library.

jayreynolds

12-27-2005, 04:04 PM

Oh, you wanted the opinion article, none of that "scientific" stuff with the big words and honest uncertainty.
Figures.

foot_soldier

12-27-2005, 07:44 PM

The 15-page study is freely available to anyone who wants to read it. No "Nature" subscription needed:

Global estimate of aerosol direct radiative forcing from satellite measurements
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~shm/pubs/bellouin_etal_2005.pdf

I'm interested in the peer discussion of this study.

As mentioned, I will pick it up from the library.

foot_soldier

12-27-2005, 08:17 PM

With thanks to the person who made this available this evening:

December 2005
Aerosols cool more than expected
Researchers measure smog's effect on counteracting global warming

Nature | Quirin Schiermeier

Hot times: cities would be even warmer if not covered by a blanket of smog

Cleaning the air could accelerate global warming, according to a new study.

The particles in the soot and haze from industrial and domestic fires, called aerosols, cause respiratory diseases and other health problems for people in polluted areas, including many Asian cities.

But aerosols also dim the sky over land and sea, and so cool the planet. By scattering and absorbing sunlight - how much depends on the particles' size and optical properties - they prevent the Earth from heating up more than it already has owing to the greenhouse effect.

The balance between the two effects has been a wildcard in climate predictions. In its last report, published in 2001, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) could put only a broad range of possible values on aerosol cooling.

Now researchers at the UK Met Office in Exeter and the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, New Jersey, have provided the first calculation based on observations, rather than models.

The team concludes that the cooling effect of aerosols is probably at the high end of IPCC estimates. So cleaning the air will lead to substantial warming. Without aerosols for example, since 1900 the planet might have warmed at least an additional 0.3 °C above the 0.7 °C rise that actually happened.

Dark skies

The team, led by Met Office researcher Nicolas Bellouin, calculated the amount of aerosols in the air using data from NASA's Terra and Aqua satellites and observations made from aircraft. The researchers then calculated how much light that material would absorb. They publish the results in Nature this week (1).

The result is the most comprehensive measurement of soot so far. "This is a very timely addition to modellers' work," says Meinrat Andreae, an atmospheric scientist at the Max Planck Institute of Chemistry in Mainz, Germany.

Recent models have pointed to a huge range of effects from aerosols, he says. Observations will help sort out the confusion.

In a recent model of his own, Andreae concluded that without aerosol cooling, global temperatures could rise between 6 and 10 °C by 2100 - well beyond current IPCC predictions (2). Aerosols partly disguise the sensitivity of our climate to rising levels of greenhouse gases, he says.

Heating up

Soot and haze could be even more cooling than Bellouin's team calculates, says Andreae. Aerosols affect other climate properties, such as cloud formation, the effects of which have yet to be measured.

Industrial aerosol emissions have dropped in the United States and Europe since 1990. Worldwide, however, Asia's economic growth is feeding a modest upward trend in their output. But Asian emissions are growing less sharply than was expected, thanks to policies such as a switch to clean energy in the industrial areas around Beijing and Shanghai.

References

1.Bellouin N., Boucher O., Haywood J.& Reddy M. S. . Nature, 438. 1138 - 1141 (2005).

2.Andraea M.. O., Jones C. D., Cox P. M., . Nature, 435. 1187 - 1190 (2005).

foot_soldier

12-29-2005, 11:07 AM

December 27, 2005

White House Prevarications
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/26/AR2005122600781_pf.html

GIVEN ALL THE fuss about what government officials in Washington say off the record, it's surprising how little attention is paid to some of the things they say on the record. Take, for example, the subject of U.S. emissions of the greenhouse gases that cause climate change. Earlier this month, we noted that the emissions figures cited by U.S. officials attending the international climate change conference in Montreal seemed dubious: Although the negotiators claimed U.S. emissions had fallen by 0.8 percent between 2000 and 2003, that drop actually reflected the recession of 2000-2001, not any substantive environmental policy change. In fact, as we noted, emissions had begun rising again in 2002 and 2003, and they looked set to rise again in 2004 -- to levels higher than they reached in 2000.

James L. Connaughton of the White House Council on Environmental Quality disputed our editorial; he noted, among other things, that the 2004 figures had not yet been published. But now the Energy Information Administration, one of two government agencies that tracks climate statistics (the Environmental Protection Agency is the other) has released its 2004 numbers. As many predicted, they show a hefty 2 percent rise in greenhouse gas emissions, the largest growth in five years. Thanks to that rise, U.S. emissions now account for about 25 percent of the world's total. When the EPA figures are released, they are expected to show the same trend, despite the EPA's different methods of calculation.

What, then, of Mr. Connaughton's other claim -- that the Bush administration has put in place "more than 60 mandatory, incentive-based and voluntary federal programs" to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases? An earlier version of that claim was examined two years ago by the Government Accountability Office. Its report, published in October 2003, noted that of the 30 elements of the administration's then-recently proclaimed agenda on greenhouse gases, only three were new programs -- as opposed to existing, repackaged programs -- that were actually intended to reduce future emissions in a measurable way. If it can't get its numbers right, why should we take seriously the White House's declared intention to forge a "constructive and effective approach" to climate change at all?

hoot

12-31-2005, 12:55 AM

From the gological record it is easy to see that ocean water levels have been up to 180 FEET HIGHER than present at geological times of NO ice caps, and up to 200 FEET LOWER at times of MAXIMUM ice coverage of the earth. I want someone anyone to show me where our shorelines have changed a foot, an inch , A FRIGGIN MILLIMETER!!!!! in this present era of BOGUS "global Warming". Anybody that follows this political control ploy by TPTB with their "cooked" science and PAID "scientists" is a real dimbulb or one of their PAID PROPOGADISTS!

Boomer Chick

12-31-2005, 05:25 PM

Happy New Year !!!!!!

2006

May truth and justice prevail in all areas of our lives!!!!

Thanks everyone here for a stimulating scientific conversation related to the scientific issues affecting our lives.

PEACE

foot_soldier

01-02-2006, 11:05 AM

January 1, 2005

ROXANA ROBINSON
Watching as the world vanishes
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/01/01/watching_as_the_world_vanishes/

IT WAS SHAMEFUL, everyone agreed afterward, that no one did anything at the time. Because people knew it was happening. There were reports, early on. People saw things, near where it was happening. They knew. Later, they said they hadn't known, really; they hadn't understood the scale of it. They explained their reasons for doing nothing. They said the government was responsible, there was nothing they could do. Certainly the government was determined to carry out its plans, and maybe people felt overwhelmed and helpless. Maybe this was a place where the curves of ignorance, courage, and survival instinct intersected, to exclude the possibility of action.

The affected population knew about it, of course, but they had no political power, no voice. As they diminished in number, they became increasingly less important, which seemed to validate what was happening. How could they be important if they were gone?

Even the people who were distanced from it, and not in danger, knew about it, but they did nothing either. Maybe they didn't believe what they heard. Maybe they felt it did not threaten them, it was too far away and too terrible. There are things too terrible to consider. If you acknowledged their reality, you would be unable to function. And where would we be, if we couldn't function?

The news has actually been coming in for decades -- from the field, from eyewitnesses, from relief organizations. We can even see the evidence ourselves -- it's happening near us, wherever we are -- but we don't believe these accounts, even our own. We don't want to, because they are too terrible to consider. We're afraid we won't be able to function. The more tremendous a threat is, the harder it is to comprehend. As Raphael Lemkin said in 1944, ''. . . reports which slip out from behind the frontiers . . . are very often labelled as untrustworthy atrocity stories, because they are so gruesome that people simply refuse to believe them." What we're hearing is too frightening to believe.

The evidence is still growing, and growing worse, but we're still resisting it. When the scientists grew more serious and more impassioned about the situation, when they began giving numbers, offering proof, asking for action, we decided that we no longer believed in science. We distanced ourselves; we hoped we wouldn't be affected. The population at risk is not our population, at least not right now, so we needn't do anything right now. We might do something later. The government can do something if there's a real crisis. We trust the government to take care of us, to act responsibly. Believing this is easier than taking drastic steps to stop what's happening, particularly since this government is very much opposed to stopping what's happening. This government is very much intent on pursuing its present course, which results, as a side effect -- though the government would not acknowledge this, or even comment on the fact that it is taking place -- in the complete destruction of the affected population. The affected population is one-half of all the species presently living on earth.

Fanaticism is a driving force here, as it often is behind great crimes. This is a crime against nature, and this fanaticism is economic -- the belief that money and profit should outweigh all other considerations, including survival of the species. If we maintain our current rates of consumption and environmental strategies, by the end of this century, one-half of the species now alive on earth may be extinct. We don't know what the specific effects will be, but we know they'll be extreme. We're presiding over the greatest extermination of living species since the end of the dinosaurs. We're eliminating habitat, reliable climate, fresh water, clean air, and nourishment. We're imposing intolerable living conditions on thousands of species. The current rate of extinctions is thought to be at least 1,000 times higher than the natural level. Right now, one-quarter of all mammals are endangered with extinction; one-third of all species, animal and vegetable, may be gone by 2050.

It may not be evident to us, as we sit in our cubicles, at our laptops, but we need these other species, even those that seem impossibly small and remote. We need the Northern lapwing, the Scottish crossbill, the king protea (South Africa's national flower), the albacore tuna, Boyd's forest dragon (an Australian lizard) -- all of which are in dire straits. We're interconnected to everything. The scrawniest weed in Patagonia absorbs carbon dioxide, which poisons us, and produces oxygen, which we breathe in New York or Houston. Plants provide air, food, and medicine; every living being occupies a niche in the global mosaic. Birds transport seeds and pollen; they destroy insect pests; they clean our harbors and cities and landscapes. All living species perform functions valuable to the ecosystem, to the planet, and to the people who live on it. But species everywhere are being systematically deprived of the possibility of life.

We know what we're doing. We hear the reports, the gruesome stories, but we've decided just to wait and see. We think the scientists -- all of them -- could be wrong. Maybe we'll just do nothing. Short-term self-interest suggests that we do nothing right now. Why should we drive slower cars because of the Scottish crossbill?

Cutting fossil fuels and reducing greenhouse gases would save many species from vanishing, but we're not committing ourselves to that strategy. One hundred eighty-two nations ratified the Convention on Biological Diversity; the United States -- largest producer of greenhouse gases -- is the only industrial country that refused. We didn't want to be subject to any regulation over our destruction of the air, the water, the habitat, and the voiceless inhabitants of the earth. Others agree. Many developing countries wanted nothing in the treaty that might limit their freedom to exploit -- and destroy -- their natural resources. So the treaty is neither very powerful or effective, since almost everyone involved places short-term economic goals ahead of the long-term health of the planet. Similar issues affect the Kyoto Agreement. It seems we're all in this together, this destruction of species. This is an international effort.

Do we not think we need a healthy planet? Do we think that the animals dying all around us means nothing? That this wholesale destruction won't affect us? Where are the birds, most common and vivid form of wildlife? Intensive agriculture destroys hedges, woods, and wetlands that birds need for feeding and nesting; toxic chemicals poison the pests and the seed-bearing wild plants they need for food. Logging destroys whole regions of habitat; industry pollutes air around the globe. The birds can't build nests, they can't find food, they can't feed their young. They're dying off. Migrating birds used to move in flocks of thousands. Now they straggle past in groups of 20 or 30. Remember the passenger pigeons? Once they darkened the entire sky, across the prairies; we wiped them out in a few decades. We're watching life being extinguished all around us.

The use of fossil fuels, and the resulting climate change, is wreaking havoc everywhere. Monster storms, temperature spikes, and erratic, destructive weather all take their toll on agriculture, construction, transportation, and communication, as well as wildlife. Do we still think we don't belong to the affected population? What if the group we're destroying turns out to include our own? Don't we remember the canary in the coal mine? The canaries are dropping like flies. Why are we standing here, holding the cage?

Whom will we believe, if not these scientists -- experts in the field -- with their gruesome and alarmist facts? How long will we keep denying the evidence? What will we say to our children, and their children, when they learn about the beautiful, rich, and varied life on earth that we were privileged to know? The fields of rippling grasses, the graceful trees, the strange and marvelous wild creatures -- how will we explain that we stood by and watched all this vanish? What kind of courage do we need, to respond to what's happening?

And this time, there's no one else to blame. It's us.

Roxana Robinson is a novelist, most recently of ''A Perfect Stranger."

hoot

01-02-2006, 11:53 AM

foot_soldier

01-02-2006, 12:17 PM

hoot wrote:
.....No Roxanna Robinson, the blame is on You and the fools that support your view and do not have the grey matter to see where the real economic manipulation and control lie and the overall direction of renewed serfdom this hoax is taking us in.....
Does it ever occur to you Flaming Patriot types that the perpetrators of the "real economic manipulation and control" of which you are so afraid are directly aligned with those who are still pronouncing now unavoidably visible evidence of anthropogenic climate change a hoax?

All this **NWO** stuff you types keep hammering on is a joke. No thinking person takes it seriously.

Do you honestly believe that a re-evaluation of how we on Earth utilize and dispose of our (mainly fossil fuel) resources is so threatening a concept that it can be compared to **control and manipulation**?

Do you understand the concept of working with others for the common good?

Or are you types concerned only with yourselves and your personal assets?

Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can be so self-centered and short-sighted as you appear to be.

jayreynolds

01-02-2006, 12:33 PM

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All this **NWO** stuff you types keep hammering on is a joke. No thinking person takes it seriously.
the new Pope spoke about it using those exact words on Christmas day.
What is the RC church, about a billion people?

Do you honestly believe that a re-evaluation of how we on Earth utilize and dispose of our (mainly fossil fuel) resources is so threatening a concept that it can be compared to **control and manipulation**?

To call the Kyoto treaty a "re-evaluation" is to utter a lie.

foot_soldier

01-02-2006, 03:14 PM

Boomer Chick

01-02-2006, 04:31 PM

.

LOL! And remember that changes are afoot!

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com

2006! Invest in renewable energies and systems!

Boomer Chick

01-02-2006, 06:13 PM

Global Warming Is Here (http://teenink.com/Past/2006/January/19691.html)
Teen Ink - USA
... It is impossible to prove that Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming, or even that human activities made the storm more severe. ...

Google Alert for: global warming

Permafrost Thaw Might Speed Global Warming (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-briefs31.1dec31,1,4444021.story?coll=la-headlines-nation)
Los Angeles Times - CA,USA
... near-surface permafrost thaws, it could release considerable amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and that could amplify global warming," said lead ...

Don't Fret About Global Warming (http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese252.html)
Lew Rockwell - Burlingame,CA,USA
by Charley Reese. Global warming means it will get hotter or colder, drier or wetter, stormier or calmer. One of the people at a ...

Massachusetts Adopts Global Warming Standards for Cars and Light ... (http://masspirg.org/MA.asp?id2=21140)
MASSPIRG - Boston,MA,USA
BOSTON--Massachusetts today took the final step in enacting new regulations limiting global warming pollution from cars and light trucks. ...

Goldman sees markets as solution to global warming (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3526468a6026,00.html)
Stuff.co.nz - Wellington,New Zealand
NEW YORK: Goldman Sachs Group thinks it can battle global warming, not by hugging trees, but by doing what comes naturally to a Wall Street powerhouse: trading ...
More on These Stories: (http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcriptNOW116C2_full.html)
Now - USA
... BRANCACCIO: The politics of global warmingâ€¦ a NOW special edition. BRANCACCIO: Welcome to Cincinnati, Ohio, a special Earth Day edition. ...

jayreynolds

01-02-2006, 07:07 PM

I see Wayne's "glorious" yerp is bawling like a baby 'cause they couldn't suck Mother Russia for a day. I thought all those "Kyoto" countries were cutting back anyways, what's their problem????
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/02/news/eu.php
Maybe they need to head down and try buying some gas from Iraq.
Oops, sorry fellers, 'yall didn't support the Iraqi people and took bribes from Saddam.
They deserve to freeze their asses off, as The Iraqis flare off some "waste
gas"........
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/europe/02/03/sprj.nilaw.russia.saddam/story.oil.ap.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/03/sprj.nilaw.russia.saddam/&h=168&w=220&sz=6&tbnid=bVmrLgfjAH8J:&tbnh=77&tbnw=102&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgas%2Bflare%2BIraq%26svnum%3D10%26hl% 3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

Boomer Chick

01-05-2006, 02:29 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Ian Plimer: Global warming a damp squib (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17729019%255E7583,00.html)
Australian - Australia
... At the 2005 UN Climate Change Conference in Montreal, Greenpeace's Steven Guilbeault stated: "Global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean ...

Global Warming Can Trigger Extreme Ocean, Climate Changes (http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/517080/)
Newswise (press release) - USA
... produced by scientists at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, helps illustrate how global warming caused by ...
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Global warming being taken seriously: Govt (http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1541478.htm)
ABC Online - Australia
TONY EASTLEY: The Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell says global warming is being taken seriously. Next week Australia will ...
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Emissions: Look at tie to global warming (http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1135990517321910.xml&coll=7)
OregonLive.com - Portland,OR,USA
... Too little is said too seldom about the upside of global, mandatory targets for reducing greenhouse gases, and the United States is losing out in a big way. ...

Global warming 55 million years ago shifted ocean currents (http://www.physorg.com/news9572.html)
PhysOrg.com - Evergreen,VA,USA
An extraordinary burst of global warming that occurred around 55 million years ago dramatically reversed Earth's pattern of ocean currents, a finding that ...

Global warming shrinking size of 'world's rooftop' in Tibet (http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200601040097.html)
Asahi Shimbun - Tokyo,Japan
Thanks to global warming, glaciers on the Tibetan Plateau are rapidly liquefying, possibly causing many of the region's water woes--especially flooding--in the ...
More Global Warming, Please (http://blogs.courant.com/travel_columnists_horgan/2006/01/more_global_war.html)
Hartford Courant - United States
After just having shifted 100 million tons of snow this way and that all day, count me in as being in favor of global warming. Three ...

foot_soldier

01-05-2006, 04:11 PM

LOL! And remember that changes are afoot!

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com

2006! Invest in renewable energies and systems!
I don't want you to think I'm not paying any attention to what is possible, BC. I am.

I just wish we had started in the 70's when those in oversight knew very well what we could be up against in another 30 years or so.

"RenewableEnergyAccess" is a great site.

Here's the thing, though -- it's the general public who must begin agitating for the alternatives that we are probably going to end up being forced to develop anyway. This is why it would be good for people to begin educating themselves on what is feasible for their regions so they can start supporting whatever it will take to get things moving.

Have a good evening.

jayreynolds

01-05-2006, 06:49 PM

Here's the thing, though -- it's the general public who must begin agitating for the alternatives that we are probably going to end up being forced to develop anyway. This is why it would be good for people to begin educating themselves on what is feasible for their regions so they can start supporting whatever it will take to get things moving.
Have a good evening.[/color]
Yeah, those NSA and CIA people you worked for at "Chemtrails Over America" have quite a plan, here is what 'footsoldier' signed off on as editor:

"The solution is to ground airplanes, shut down industry, close fossil fuel generating plants, etc., and alter our way of life."

One problem I have with 'footsoldier's hypocrisy is that she hasn't taken much personal responsibility for doing what she decries others for not doing. For instance, her own personal power needs are met by a coal fired power plant.
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=393442&postcount=106

Personally, I have no air conditioning and all my winter hot water needs and home heating come from renewable energy, and my home is equipped with a solar powered water pump.

What will it take to FORCE little miss hypocrite to do what she says others should do?
Or is that just something for the "proletariat" which doesn't apply to her?

halva

01-05-2006, 09:28 PM

No Roxanna Robinson, the blame is on You and the fools that support your view and do not have the grey matter to see where the real economic manipulation and control lie and the overall direction of renewed serfdom this hoax is taking us in. If all the friggin carbondioxide fell out of the air this minute there would be about 2.4 millimeters on the ground, maybe a tenth of an inch. I am suppose to believe all these NWO shills that you worship as "scientists" and see THIS is the MAJOR factor in climate determination? PHEW!!! You stink!

I don't agree with Footsoldier that your NWO rhetoric is a lot of nonsense.

But there is no alternative to working with people who may be serving, unconsciously or consciously, these NWO scenarios you seek to enlighten us about.

That is not strictly true. There is the alternative of becoming a reactive sidelines ranter like you.

Yes, the climate change issue is being used to screen the reality of a variety of other activities. It has been instrumentalised in ways similar to what was done twenty years ago with the anti-nuclear-weapons movement.

But intelligent people can only be mobilised, even for purposes of manipulating them, if there is some element of truth in what they are being called upon to worry about.

If imagining that 'climate change' activists are being mobilised by the New World Order to fret over nothing, to concern themselves with nonsense, is a view that gets you through the night, then good luck to you.

But please give up this illusion that you are more clever than the rest of us just because you, unlike us, understand what the NWO has in store for us.

Boomer Chick

01-06-2006, 09:16 AM

I don't want you to think I'm not paying any attention to what is possible, BC. I am.

I just wish we had started in the 70's when those in oversight knew very well what we could be up against in another 30 years or so.

"RenewableEnergyAccess" is a great site.

Renewable Energy Access is a reporting service and a connection to the various renewable energy companies and organizations. It offers a window into the national renewable energy scene as business, as legislation, and as organizational movements. It also offers some international news on the front which gives the reader a glimpse into international business partnerships and the ongoing development of clean energies in many countries.

Here's the thing, though -- it's the general public who must begin agitating for the alternatives that we are probably going to end up being forced to develop anyway. This is why it would be good for people to begin educating themselves on what is feasible for their regions so they can start supporting whatever it will take to get things moving.

Have a good evening.

I do agree that the general public should continue to agitate. Obviously segments of the general public that do indeed support, agitate, and join the various environmental organizations which speak to state governors, city councils, and mayors all over our nation have already and for years been a force for change. It has already begun as evidenced in many posted news blurbs regarding state programs, county programs, and city programs designed to follow Kyoto protocols and more. Why you continue to whine that not enough of the public is involved may reveal a lack of understanding on mass consumer behavior.

Are you aware that many schools starting at the elementary level have for decades "pushed" conservation and environmental awareness? Do you realize the boyscouts have, across the nation, instituted recycling programs and environmental awareness educational activities? Just a couple of examples.

Do you live in a city? Perhaps it would be good for you, FS, to explore your local recycling facilities, visit and call your car dealers selling hybrid vehicles, go online and discover your state's various CPIRG activists, research your state's environmental laws, research your energy companies and what percentage are alternatively derived, and find a site where you can research all the states in the union and their programs related to environmental laws, energy production, and their plans. When you are armed with facts and knowledge on progress in your area of concern.............. you will feel better. Perhaps living in a city where you don't see much change from your window.... has hampered your overall general impression of the state of the environment and the development of clean energies that don't directly impact you. ?

We can whine all we want about how we SHOULD HAVE jumped on the alternative bandwagon much sooner.....but reality is as it is............we are now making progress. Yes and we should have continued from Carter on.....but Reagan was a reality, now wasn't he?

Consumer behavior in the mass sense? Just take a look at Wal-Mart. You know what I'm saying. If it's easy and cheap the public will consume it. What percentage prefer to buy organically produced agricultural products? A small percentage AND it's growing. If incentives were given to install solar energy for hot water and parts of a home's or business's energy needs, how many would then take advantage of that program or product? Those who would find it advantageous financially would take advantage of it.

Which works quickest to affect consumer behavior, laws or market forces? How about adding education through ads and media messages? When one business offers a product that can save an energy consumer or home owner or apartment owner money compared to its utility company's offerings...... what do you think will happen? If the utility companies do not change to meet future demands for cheaper (not more expensive) energy and privatization overcomes the systems with the greed factor, do you think the public will buy that energy or will they take advantage of incentives, make an initial investment, and be free of the escalating practices of the utilities companies? Privatization rather than regulation will actually put those out of business who seek the greed factor. You can see that happening. Those who wish privatization are the ones holding onto the coal, the natural gas, and the old ways. Yet while they attempt to hold on, the new alternatives which are cheaper and cleaner will wipe the dirty coal mines, the coal trains, and the burners out of existence. If you could power your home with solar cells, or your apartment with a couple of panels on the roof or windmill....wouldn't you IF it was incentivised and affordable?

Incentives and legislation offering incentives have begun in many states and it has begun at the national level as well -- maybe not as sweepingly dynamic, but at least it's a start. Until the price of solar panels, windmills, and other alternative energies comes down through materials, labor, and general supply and demand of market forces, the businesses and cities take the lead as you can easily read on that link. Big money outlays require big money. I think we'll be OK, I really do!

Boomer Chick

01-06-2006, 09:18 AM

Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2005
America's weather was extreme this year
By Seth Borenstein
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - It's not just your imagination. America's weather went wild this year.

It began with a record downpour in the Nevada desert and record warmth in Alaska, and it's ending with floods in California and wildfires in Texas and Oklahoma that have killed four people and consumed 37,795 acres.

Along the way, at least 214 climate records were smashed or tied, thanks to a slew of hurricanes, 21 straight days of 100-degree-plus temperatures in Fresno, Calif., and wildfires that have burned 8.64 million acres, nearly a quarter-million more than the previous record, set in 2000.

Extremes were everywhere. Above-normal heat covered twice as much land as usual. Excessive rain and/or snow blanketed three times as much land as normal. Average daily low temperatures were warmer than normal across four times as much U.S. territory as in average years.

It was the third worst year for U.S. extreme-weather events in history, according to the National Climatic Data Center. For 2005's first 11 months, the nation had an extreme-climate index figure of 35, behind only 1998's 42 and 1934's 37. The average annual score is 20.

One form of extreme weather fell short, however: tornadoes. In 2005, there were only half as many killer U.S. tornadoes as recent norms.

The relentless Atlantic hurricane season especially marked 2005 as wild - and tragic. Hurricanes set or tied 19 records, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, including:

-Hurricane Katrina caused $50 billion in insured damages.

-Hurricane Wilma set a hemispheric record for low barometric pressure.

-Three Category 5 hurricanes formed: Katrina, Rita and Wilma.

-A record seven major storms packed winds above 110 mph; the old record was five.

-Fourteen hurricanes in the season beat the old record of 12.

-The 26 named storms shattered the old mark of 21, set in 1933, causing meteorologists to run out of conventional names for hurricanes and tropical storms. They had to go five deep into the Greek alphabet for new names.

Many of the remaining extremes came from Alaska, which had 53 percent of the wildfire acreage burned and set temperature, rain and snow records almost weekly. That's because Alaska is getting hotter from global warming and its permafrost is melting, said Jay Lawrimore, the chief of the National Climatic Data Center's climate-monitoring branch.

It's less clear whether what's happening nationally can be blamed on global warming or results from mere chance. Scientists are researching the question on supercomputers. One theory is that warmer air holds more moisture, creating bigger downpours, snowfalls and stronger hurricanes, and that warmer air also worsens droughts.

Lawrimore said that one year's extremes couldn't necessarily be blamed on climate change and were more likely to reflect random weather shifts. But Kevin Trenberth, the climate-analysis chief at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said initial studies showed that global warming might be a factor.

In his latest research, Trenberth calculated that because the ocean is warmer, there's been an 8 percent increase in moisture flowing into tropical storms and hurricanes, and in rain coming out of them. For Katrina, that meant an extra inch of rain fell on the Gulf Coast.

"We're in the realm now where global warming is with us and we're going to see this year to year," Trenberth said.

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Unusual weather records from 2005, and ones of local interest to some Knight Ridder newspapers.

January:

Jan. 3: Las Vegas sets a city record of 0.81 inches for the most rainfall on one January day.

Jan. 8: Valdez, Alaska's 54 degrees beats the city's previously warmest January day by 8 degrees.

Jan. 9: Pocatello, Idaho, had its snowiest January day, 8.3 inches.

January total: Boston's Logan airport reported 43.1 inches of snow, its snowiest month ever.

February:

Spokane, Wash.'s total 0.04 inches of rain was its driest February on record.

Miles City, Mont. - with no rain - had its driest February ever.

March:

March 11: San Jose, Calif.'s 87 degrees was its hottest March day ever.

March 18: Rochester, Minn., had its snowiest day ever with 19.8 inches, beating 15.4 inches in 1982.

Dec. `04-March `05: Cleveland's Hopkins airport had its snowiest season ever - 105.3 inches.

April:

April 29: Anchorage, Alaska's warmest April day ever, 72 degrees.

April 29-30: Jackson, Ky., had its wettest 24 hours, with 3.13 inches of rain.

April total: Pensacola, Fla., had its wettest month ever, with 24.46 inches of rain.

May:

May 3: Aberdeen, S.D.'s coldest May day ever, a low of 13 degrees.

May 3: Fort Wayne, Ind., tied its 1966 coldest May day ever with a low of 27 degrees.

May total: Burley, Idaho, had the wettest May with 5.06 inches of rain, beating 1998's 4.35 inches.

June:

Naples, Fla., had its wettest June with 21.28 inches of rain.

Boundary Dam, Wash., had its wettest June with 5.47 inches, beating 1981's 4.67 inches.

July:

July 18: Big Bear Lake, Calif., tied its 1972 hottest day ever with 94 degrees.

July 19: Las Vegas tied its 1942 hottest day ever with 117 degrees. It also had the highest low temperature for the day, 95 degrees.

July total: Miami had its highest average monthly temperature, 85.1 degrees, breaking 1983's 85.0 degrees.

August:

July 23-Aug. 12: Fresno, Calif., had a record 21 consecutive days of 100-degree-plus weather.

Aug. 11-12: Hoonah, Alaska, had its hottest day ever each day, at 86 degrees.

Aug. 18: Highest recorded sea temperature for a New Jersey-Delaware buoy, at 84.7 degrees.

August total: Wichita, Kan., had its wettest August, with 11.96 inches of rain.

August total: Orlando, Fla., had its hottest August, averaging 85.1 degrees.

August total: West Palm Beach, Fla., tied its hottest August ever with an average temperature of 84.9 degrees.

September:

Sept. 23: Topeka, Kan., had its wettest day ever with 5.61 inches of rain, beating 1919's 5.23 inches.

Sept. 25: San Angelo, Texas, tied a September 1952 heat record of 107 degrees.

September total: Columbia, S.C., had its driest September ever, with just a trace of rain, less than 1985's 0.07 inches.

October:

Oct. 5: Jackson, Ky., had its warmest October day, 87 degrees.

Oct. 7: Columbia, S.C., tied its 1941 warmest low temperature of 74 degrees.

October total: Minneapolis-St. Paul airport had record October rainfall, 4.61 inches.

November:

Nov. 7: Joplin, Mo., tied its November 1980 high temperature, 83 degrees.

Nov. 26-28: Great Falls, Mont., had its heaviest snowstorm on record with 18.1 inches.

December:

Dec. 4: Little Rock, Ark., tied a December 1956 high of 80 degrees.

Yearly: The U.S. wildfire total is 8.64 million acres, beating 2000's 8.4 million acres.

SOURCES: National Climatic Data Center, National Interagency Fire Center.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/13510437.htm?template=contentModules (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/13510437.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp)

foot_soldier

01-07-2006, 01:01 PM

Renewable Energy Access is a reporting service and a connection to the various renewable energy companies and organizations. It offers a window into the national renewable energy scene as business, as legislation, and as organizational movements. It also offers some international news on the front which gives the reader a glimpse into international business partnerships and the ongoing development of clean energies in many countries.

It's particularly interesting to follow what's going on in the business sector, who is partnering with whom and where capital is being invested.

I do agree that the general public should continue to agitate. Obviously segments of the general public that do indeed support, agitate, and join the various environmental organizations which speak to state governors, city councils, and mayors all over our nation have already and for years been a force for change. It has already begun as evidenced in many posted news blurbs regarding state programs, county programs, and city programs designed to follow Kyoto protocols and more. Why you continue to whine that not enough of the public is involved may reveal a lack of understanding on mass consumer behavior.

I don't mean to "whine", although I can see why it looks like that's what I'm doing. I do see that many, many people are genuinely concerned about the issues being discussed here. What I also hear, though, is that a lot of people think there's not much they can actually do about many of these issues - and I fault the Bush administration for subtly encouraging that kind of thinking. At a time when the world would, I think, gladly respond to honest, creative, enlightened leadership on certain environmental issues that are best dealt with on an international level, we have in this country an administration that continually seeks to deny that the problems even exist.

But you already know this, of course.

I just can't believe they're (still) getting away with it.

Are you aware that many schools starting at the elementary level have for decades "pushed" conservation and environmental awareness? Do you realize the boyscouts have, across the nation, instituted recycling programs and environmental awareness educational activities? Just a couple of examples.

Yep. And I think what's going on in the schools is great.

Do you live in a city? Perhaps it would be good for you, FS, to explore your local recycling facilities,

Done. I've been recycling for 30 years. It's interesting to see how different communities organize and implement these activities.

visit and call your car dealers selling hybrid vehicles,

I've never owned a car and don't plan to. Personally, I'd rather support decent public transportation. I do realize that this is easier for people who live in an urban environment, but I am also seeing excellent public transportation infrastructure being developed in some non-urban settings. It's very exciting to watch these initiatives progress to concrete reality. People will use truly decent and reliable public transportation if it's in fact available.

go online and discover your state's various CPIRG activists, research your state's environmental laws,

Thank you for the "PIRG" reminder. I'm in-transit this winter but as soon as I get settled where I'm going I intend to locate the regional PIRG and join up. These are superb venues to work through in my observation.

research your energy companies and what percentage are alternatively derived, and find a site where you can research all the states in the union and their programs related to environmental laws, energy production, and their plans.

I've done some research in this department but I could do a lot more.

When you are armed with facts and knowledge on progress in your area of concern.............. you will feel better. Perhaps living in a city where you don't see much change from your window.... has hampered your overall general impression of the state of the environment and the development of clean energies that don't directly impact you. ?

There is some truth in that.

The other thing, though, is that I've tended to focus on issues that affect (or are going to affect) us on a global level.

However, I'm aware, for example, of what the northeastern states are doing (despite recent setbacks) by getting together and basically circumventing the Bush administration's policy (sic) for dealing with industrial and power plant emissions. That's just one example of the kinds of regional alliances that are being developed to actually solve some problems rather than continue down the path of denial.

We can whine all we want about how we SHOULD HAVE jumped on the alternative bandwagon much sooner.....but reality is as it is............we are now making progress. Yes and we should have continued from Carter on.....but Reagan was a reality, now wasn't he?

Consumer behavior in the mass sense? Just take a look at Wal-Mart. You know what I'm saying. If it's easy and cheap the public will consume it.

True.

What percentage prefer to buy organically produced agricultural products? A small percentage AND it's growing.

Yes, this is definitely true and I'm glad to see it. I've been eating organically for over 20 years and have watched the growth in public interest directly. Access is still a major issue for too many people (especially kids) but it is improving as organically-produced food becomes more widely available.

If incentives were given to install solar energy for hot water and parts of a home's or business's energy needs, how many would then take advantage of that program or product? Those who would find it advantageous financially would take advantage of it.

I couldn't agree more.

Which works quickest to affect consumer behavior, laws or market forces? How about adding education through ads and media messages? When one business offers a product that can save an energy consumer or home owner or apartment owner money compared to its utility company's offerings...... what do you think will happen? If the utility companies do not change to meet future demands for cheaper (not more expensive) energy and privatization overcomes the systems with the greed factor, do you think the public will buy that energy or will they take advantage of incentives, make an initial investment, and be free of the escalating practices of the utilities companies? Privatization rather than regulation will actually put those out of business who seek the greed factor. You can see that happening. Those who wish privatization are the ones holding onto the coal, the natural gas, and the old ways. Yet while they attempt to hold on, the new alternatives which are cheaper and cleaner will wipe the dirty coal mines, the coal trains, and the burners out of existence. If you could power your home with solar cells, or your apartment with a couple of panels on the roof or windmill....wouldn't you IF it was incentivised and affordable?

I agree on all points.

I rent my living space, by the way, and I don't think that's going to change in my lifetime. It is easier in many ways for people who own their own homes. I.e. they have more control over how they set up their situations.

Incentives and legislation offering incentives have begun in many states and it has begun at the national level as well -- maybe not as sweepingly dynamic, but at least it's a start. Until the price of solar panels, windmills, and other alternative energies comes down through materials, labor, and general supply and demand of market forces, the businesses and cities take the lead as you can easily read on that link. Big money outlays require big money. I think we'll be OK, I really do!

I think we'll be "OK" if and when we manage to get rid of the current administration and its unbelievably regressive, self-centered, mean-spirited policies. I just hope time doesn't run out on us.
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halva

01-07-2006, 10:16 PM

Why you continue to whine that not enough of the public is involved may reveal a lack of understanding on mass consumer behavior?

Even a hundredth of the critical facility that is being expended digging at people on OUR side could be usefully diverted into getting the disrupters of debate on this forum OFF OUR BACKS. Some elementary politeness please! Our friends have to be encouraged, our enemies discouraged. 'whine' is a term that should not be used IN FRONT OF OUR ENEMIES to describe what people on OUR SIDE do.

Boomer Chick thinks that one should respect the freedom of speech of Americans unless they are 'racists' like IS. If IS is a racist, then Reynolds is also a racist, not an anti-Jew racist but an anti-American racist.

BC if you cannot stand up to Reynolds, at least have the grace to desist from unleashing your aggression against people on our side like FS, who is already getting enough of that from Reynolds, don't you think?

halva

01-07-2006, 10:22 PM

I am interested in the essence of this discussion that has started between BC and Footsoldier.

I am willing to be shown how market mechanisms can be used to achieve economic, and perhaps even environmental, objectives.

But I would like to see more consciousness that "the market" is NOT a "magic hand" that can substitute for POLITICS. That must be the misconception that leads BC to resignation and passivity in the face of cancerously political entities such as Reynolds.

If BC starts being polite towards people on our side and tougher with insincere and/or disingenuous debunkers I will remove her from ignore-listing so that I can see everything she is posting, not only what is quoted by others.

My motive is not to impose censorship but to effect economies in the use of my own time.

jayreynolds

01-08-2006, 10:27 AM

Even a hundredth of the critical facility that is being expended digging at people on OUR side could be usefully diverted into getting the disrupters of debate on this forum OFF OUR BACKS. Some elementary politeness please! Our friends have to be encouraged, our enemies discouraged. 'whine' is a term that should not be used IN FRONT OF OUR ENEMIES to describe what people on OUR SIDE do.
What Wayne Hall would have people do is to run away and hide what they believe, then go out in public and say something quite different. What he wants are cowards, 'yes-men', and a choir of idiots who don't realize what is really happening.

Boomer Chick thinks that one should respect the freedom of speech of Americans unless they are 'racists' like IS. If IS is a racist, then Reynolds is also a racist, not an anti-Jew racist but an anti-American racist.
Wayne, how would you define this fuzzy "American race" i am suposedly against?
Man, you are getting quite whacked out.

BC if you cannot stand up to Reynolds, at least have the grace to desist from unleashing your aggression against people on our side like FS, who is already getting enough of that from Reynolds, don't you think?
Wayne Hall, always the little Hitler.

jayreynolds

01-08-2006, 11:05 AM

I am interested in the essence of this discussion that has started between BC and Footsoldier.

I am willing to be shown how market mechanisms can be used to achieve economic, and perhaps even environmental, objectives.

When we were children, we all saw the future forecast, with little palm sized communications devices ubiquitous. It took a good forty years of watching landcsapes blighted by telephone wires, enormously expensive investments in cables, forests cut to make poles, mines bored to extract the copper, etc.
Nowdays it is perfectly possible to bypass much of this waste, at least on a personal level, by going wireless with a cell phone.

I know more than one family which doesn't own a hard-wired phone at all.
I'm willing to bet that some developing countries will end up doing without hard-wired communications altogether as they build their infrastructure. Imagine that, no ugly poles and wires, nationwide! My new house and many whole neighborhoods put their power lines underground, safe from the weather.

Hopefully, on-site power generation will eliminate the balance of the blight.

None of this was led by political force, it was a combination of market forces and technology which enabled small upstarts to take on what were practically monopolies and in many countries actual monopolies in telecommunications. Along the way, competition(another market force) drove prices down and increased efficiency even more.

Copper became so expensive(market forces again), and fiberoptics so efficient that even most cables eventually are being changed to eliminate the use of copper altogether.

But I would like to see more consciousness that "the market" is NOT a "magic hand" that can substitute for POLITICS. That must be the misconception that leads BC to resignation and passivity in the face of cancerously political entities such as Reynolds.
There goes that old Wayne 'Totalitarian Force Is the Only Way' Hall again. The problem with force, Wayne, is that it is subject to another force of nature called Newton's 3rd law. The Law is immutable, but what Market Forces take advantage of is deflecting such forces as skillfully as a kung-fu master, bending them to suit the betterment of society by all the tiny decisions of many, rather than subjecting the many to the gross errors of the few in political control.

But what do you know of science, or even of common sense?

If BC starts being polite towards people on our side and tougher with insincere and/or disingenuous debunkers I will remove her from ignore-listing so that I can see everything she is posting, not only what is quoted by others.

My motive is not to impose censorship but to effect economies in the use of my own time.

Don't give us that bogus claim about not supporting censorship, Wayne. It is the lifeblood f totalitarians like you, and once tasted it's an appetite which can never be sated. You lie about ignore-listing anayone at all. You read every single word on these threads, and just seek to control what others see by your continued demands that everyone else ignore what takes place.
By all appearances, you have failed to have any success in applying censorship, your continued demand for it here is just another example of how far into deception you really are.

foot_soldier

01-08-2006, 12:25 PM

Jay "Judge & Jury" Reynolds wrote:
.....What Wayne Hall would have people do is to run away and hide what they believe, then go out in public and say something quite different. What he wants are cowards, 'yes-men', and a choir of idiots who don't realize what is really happening.....
This is an absolutely ridiculous characterization. I have had several private e-mail exchanges with Wayne Hall and I have not found this to be true.

In other words, I have not found Wayne, in essence, to be the kind of person who requires a coterie of sycophants to validate his position. In fact, I would say that quite the opposite is the case.

You are really out of control, Reynolds. You don't care what you say anymore as long as it serves your twisted purpose. You're like a well-oiled machine that can always be relied upon to generate the same hateful end-product.

Boomer Chick

01-08-2006, 09:07 PM

FS, I hope you took no offense to my quite elaborate and time-consuming post to you in which I feel you responded in kind, thoroughly and truthfully. I have no animosity whatsoever toward you and in fact I rather respect you and agree with you. I don't see any problem here. You share....I share....we are honest and I wonder what the Halva fuss is about.

Here's the recommendation I have for everyone here. And I do in fact see most of us responding in this way. If you have a problem with an opinion or a stated interpretation of an issue, for example: market forces in the alternative energy field: just how influential? Well then, like Jay in fact did express, anyone else is free to express whether they see market forces as viable, as a second-rate player in the development of alternative energies or whether legislation and legislated incentives would play more major roles. Hey! It's all open for discussion. At least if you disagree with my opinion on a specific..... just express your opinion and why. OK? It's not that hard.

If you think legislation is more important, then say it. I don't recall whether I stated legislation was secondary to market forces and besides, it's only my opinion which I doubt is anything but speculation at this point. I read articles and I see various states and national energy-related laws and incentives (example hybrid car tax exemptions and bio-diesel developer and seller incentives), know about the various PIRGs (thanks FS) and other environmental organizations that create public awareness and as I do know, talk (and lobby) to legislators from local to state to federal.

I thought I made a case about market forces dealing with more affordable choices for the consumer. It is just common sense here. Yes, many pay extra for organic, as an example, but if you want HUGE, MASS public changes in consumer behavior, you have to offer something cheaper AND better. For example, the Japanese car manufacturers sell more cars in America than the American car manufacturers. Why? Cheaper and better! Sorry but it's true. They were the first to develop affordable hybrids, too. While the GM and Ford lobbied Congress against the mpg increase legislation (in other words more efficient engines) and halted progress on such bills the Japanese lunged forward with their R & D on hybrids. Who loses? The companies that failed to innovate! Same goes with the energy industry!

And didn't I mention regulation and deregulation? There's a lot to say about a lot of issues related to alternative energy development nationally and internationally. It would seem nit-picking about word usage goes beyond common sense.

Please find something meaty and energy-related to discuss. I am not a good topic. LOL!

In terms of market forces, legislation, and innovation.....check this article out!

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story;jsessionid=ahZbhh1QDuy5?id=41304

According to a just-released study by Emerging Energy Research entitled US/Canada Wind Power Markets and Strategies 2005-2010, the record year for US wind power installations in 2005 is a direct result of the extension of the production tax credit (PTC), first at the end of 2004 and further extended to 2007 through the passage of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. This three-year horizon will break the boom and bust cycle that has plagued the US wind industry. And the passage of new state level portfolio standards, as well as amendments to existing standards, are also enhancing the long-term prospects of the US market.

In Canada, there is increasing dynamism in the wind power market as a result of recent federal and provincial efforts to promote it. Between 2004 and 2006, provincial governments and utilities will have issued RFPs for 6,000 MW of renewable energy; results so far show that the lion's share will be awarded to wind projects. The national government also extended the wind power production incentive program to April 2010. As a result, like the US, the Canadian wind power market will see steady growth ahead.

Boosted by renewable RFP activity, utilities expand activities in wind power

Driven by a variety of factors, including generation mix, RPS, green marketing, and least cost resource considerations, utilities in the US and Canada are procuring more wind power than ever. This trend is highlighted by a proliferation of renewable RFP activity and a growing roster of utilities becoming active in wind power.

While RPS programs have become a key driver, more than half of ongoing activity derives from efforts not directly related to an RPS mandate. EER's new study identifies wind project pipelines of at least 13,000 MW in the US have been identified across the country. While the most activity has traditionally been centered in the western US, the Northeast has shown a dramatic increase over the last year. Texas, having doubled its RPS, will overtake California in 2006. The fastest growth rates are expected occur in new states implementing RPS, such as New York and Colorado, as well as those learning to exploit tremendous untapped wind resources, such as the Dakotas, Illinois, and other Midwest and Pacific Northwest states.

The increased development activity and interest in the Canadian wind power market is the result of growing demand from power purchasers and a clear signal of their commitment to the technology. While the Canadian market remains small with only a handful of experienced wind IPPs, a slew of new entrants backed by major energy companies have entered the market and are poised to capitalize upon the market growth. The provincial initiatives have resulted in an RFP pipeline that is nearly 6,000 MW, with activity centered in Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, and New Brunswick. Hydro-Quebec alone has issued RFPs for 3,000 MW of wind energy, providing a key anchor for the market in the years to come.

Boomer Chick

01-08-2006, 09:08 PM

Wind IPPs and developers enter a new level of competition in US and Canada

Wind IPP and developer competition in both the US and Canada entered new dimensions in 2005. The industry has scaled and consolidated, and companies have shifted along the value chain throughout 2005. The result is a level of competition and market activity that the industry has never seen before.

Amidst these dynamics, another competitive element has emerged that will further define the North American market in the years to come: turbine supply leverage. With past boom and bust cycles in the US-caused by the PTC-discouraging investments in local manufacturing, industry scaling has had the inevitable side effect of creating a turbine supply shortage. According to EER's study, this shortage has constrained wind IPPs and developers in their ability to realize their projects and, ultimately, to create value. Some wind IPPs have discovered that, by taking the financial risk and locking in turbine supply early, even before projects in their own pipelines may be ready, they can achieve growth and build market share by using these turbines as leverage into late stage projects from other developers.

The bottom line is that scale continues to drive competitive advantage. Attributes such as a good track record, capability to deliver large-scale projects, and market reach that is able to span multiple markets, are now par for the course. Building an edge in the competition for power purchase agreements entails taking these attributes to an even higher level and, at least for the near-term supply and demand scenario, simply having the wind turbines with which to build wind plants.

Unlike the US market, which was launched by pioneering developers and independent companies, the Canadian market is already comprised of companies backed by large energy firms and industrial concerns that bring with them financial resources and commercial credibility. SaskPower and other leaders such as Vision Quest and Axor have significant operations behind them. In addition, heavy hitters invested in emerging wind IPPs-TransCanada with Cartier Wind Energy Group, and Brascan Power, which purchased Superior Wind Power in 2005-also point to the role major energy companies will continue to have in the growth of the industry, and the challenge and increased competition ahead for the existing market leaders. The nascent market does include one notable foreign entrant in Spanish wind IPP Acciona/EHN.

Wind turbine shortages shift emphasis towards manufacturing capacity

The North American wind turbine market saw record growth in 2005; installations surpassed record levels seen in 2001 and 2003, with the majority of them onshore. From an industry that finally broke US$3 billion in 2005, the market is expected to more than double to just under US$7.5 billion in 2010. These figures, detailed in the EER study, factor significant price increases implemented for projects in 2006 and beyond, but also take into consideration greater vendor competition that will arise as local manufacturing capacity and new turbine models are introduced in the coming years. Improved competition will, however, not be sufficient to reduce prices to the extent they have risen for 2006.

Simply put, market share in 2005 was determined more by manufacturing capacity than by competitive strategies or items such as cost and product positions. All wind turbine vendors active in North America in 2005 sold-out of available capacity and therefore market share has been determined by how many turbines could be manufactured and delivered. The demand was even stronger than anticipated, and as a consequence, a turbine shortage transpired and availability became an important criterion for selection.

To this end, the North American wind turbine market is dominated by GE Energy. In the US, the firm enjoyed annual market shares ranging from 45% to as much as 60% in 2005. Behind GE is Vestas, having consolidated its position with the acquisition of NEG Micon, which leads in Canada, installing all the turbines in that market in 2005.

Supply chain is a constraint to turbine supply

Today's turbine constrained market makes control of the supply chain especially critical. Wind turbine vendors have attributed the lack of turbines to certain pinch points in the supply chain, such as gearboxes, castings, and blades. Ownership of or at least close ties with key suppliers in these areas is therefore important for ensuring a wind turbine vendor is able maximize production and thereby their sales potential and market share.

Component suppliers, for their part, have been reluctant to establish new manufacturing facilities due to the boom and bust cycle in the US. However, high demand for turbines has encouraged suppliers such as Winergy, Hansen, and LM Glasfiber to increase capacity through other means. For the most part, capacity has been increased as a result of planning foresight during the design of their manufacturing facilities.

In the wind turbine market, the door is wide open for those with the risk appetite, and Gamesa, Suzlon, and Clipper are stepping through. All three are building manufacturing facilities in the US, and in so doing bring substantial local manufacturing capacity online to compete with dominant GE Energy. The risk taking is paying off. EER research shows that demand for Gamesa's machines has been so strong the vendor has indicated it may still have to rely on capacity from Spain to maximize order volume. Suzlon is sold-out through 2007. Clipper, for its part, has had a successful initial public offering and many are watching the company and its technology closely. Siemens, as predicted, re-entered the market by capturing FPL's business, and is the next most likely candidate to set up manufacturing facilities in the region.

North American wind energy market outlook to 2010

The record year in 2005 could not have arrived soon enough, as 2004 was a brutal year for wind power in North America. However, as soon as better days arrived, a turbine supply shortage limited growth and inevitably brought higher prices. And more challenges lie ahead. The US will face a significant risk of a slowdown in 2008, as the current PTC is effective only until the end of 2007. In Canada, environmental permitting, unviable projects, and lack of turbines are three primary variables that may lead to lower growth.

Boomer Chick

01-08-2006, 09:09 PM

Still, wind energy has reached an entirely new level in North America. Wind IPPs are stronger than ever and additional manufacturing capacity is on the way. The business environment is favorable-record natural gas prices, RPS in US states proliferating and RFPs building momentum in Canadian provinces, and an extended PTC in the US and WPPI in Canada-combine to shore up prospects. Looking forward, US and Canadian wind power markets are expected to see stable growth and heightened overall activity.

North American wind power is expected to see a more than fourfold increase in wind power plants in operation by 2010. The US is expected to grow from just over 6,700 MW to over 28,000 MW by 2010. Starting from a lower base of nearly 450 MW in 2004, Canada's wind power base will grow even more quickly to over 6,200 MW by 2010.

About the author and the related report...

Godfrey Chua is Research Director of Emerging Energy Research's US/Canada Wind Energy Advisory Service. This article is based on findings from EER's new 286-page market study, US/Canada Wind Power Markets and Strategies 2005-2010, released in December 2005 and now available for purchase. Emerging Energy Research is an independent research and advisory company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, US. For more information, visit www.emerging-energy.com through the following link or contact them by email at eer@emerging-energy.com

Boomer Chick

01-08-2006, 09:15 PM

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Halva, I think you would enjoy reading these articles and perusing this site from time to time.

Did you catch that Nick Begich teamed with the Frito-Lay/Pepsico heiress to form a data-base site about technology and that Dr. Eastlund will be appearing with Begich on Coast to Coast on the 15th of Jan? Check out my other two threads for the links. Thanks.

halva

01-08-2006, 09:29 PM

Boomer Chick

01-09-2006, 09:17 AM

BC I have removed you from my ignore list and included the Nick Begich article you posted in my HAARP files.

I'm sorry you didn't get the point I was making in relation to Reynolds but if you keep being polite to people who are making a good contribution here I will try to assimilate as much of the useful information you are posting as I can. I would also appreciate it if you would not say anything to encourage either Reynolds or other would-be disrupters. I would appreciate it even more if you would say nothing to them at all. I have made the point before that the good student in a rowdy school class does not normally behave in a friendly way to the disrupters. He/she tries to ignore them, since ignoring rather than confrontation is his/her chosen survival strategy.

You have succeeded in getting IS removed from these discussions. There will be no point in having done this if we continue to have our agenda set by Reynolds and/or others seeking to aid and abet him. In fact we will be getting the worst of both worlds: violating the principle of freedom of speech and still having a malicious disrupter in our midst.

Halva, I had no idea I was on your ignore list. I also had no idea IS was removed from these discussions. When did this happen? And dear Halva, I will respond to whomever I choose to respond to on this forum. You still don't understand the concept of freedom of speech, I guess. But I do extend an invitation for you to visit Colorado this summer, Halva.

As a former teacher, I have found that when you include the disruptor and focus his attention, you then miraculously get a contributor! Reynold's presence doesn't bother me at all......it's as simple as that. If he states something I don't agree with....I disagree. If he states something to which I agree.... I agree. I don't have time to read everything he posts and truly don't care to track him around the board. If this is how he wishes to spend his time....it's his business. If you could study and become skilled in the fine art of "detachment," Halva, you will have grown immensely from this experience. I hope as an aid to such self discipline, Halva, that you put Reynolds on ignore list as he seems to push all of your buttons and since he knows it and feels that you can do nothing but respond quite predictably....you leave yourself open to the control of others. Once you give no one else any power whatsoever, realize their presence on an internet board in no way reduces you or your message nor prevents you from expressing, you set yourself free. He's just practicing self expression and you are quite able and capable of doing the same thing. Sometimes we humans create great drama when simple expressions of personal truths and learned truths would be the best way to travel along the path. Just simple expression and sharing to all we meet along the road. No one is stopping you from your expression, Halva.

Peace.

jayreynolds

01-09-2006, 11:54 AM

Halva, I had no idea I was on your ignore list. .
Don't worry, BC, Wayne could never ignore anything or anyone, he's far too much of a busybody anal control-freak to let somebody say something and not be aware of it.

He does mention it almost every time that someone quotes me, though, because he can then deign to respond without breaking his cover and admitting that he pores over every word I write!

Boomer Chick

01-09-2006, 02:26 PM

Don't worry, BC, Wayne could never ignore anything or anyone, he's far too much of a busybody anal control-freak to let somebody say something and not be aware of it.

He does mention it almost every time that someone quotes me, though, because he can then deign to respond without breaking his cover and admitting that he pores over every word I write!

You really do know your English language, don't you, Jay? People rarely use "pore" correctly. I've noticed how well you write, lately, too. Honestly.

And it's evident to me that some people overly enmesh themselves with others and in a way the drama serves them on some level, but we cannot judge. I can only offer advice at times.

And, I would go one step further, and invite the person to explore another person's reality by sharing a bit of it with them.

Boomer Chick

01-09-2006, 07:35 PM

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jayreynolds

01-10-2006, 04:30 AM

You really do know your English language, don't you, Jay? People rarely use "pore" correctly. I've noticed how well you write, lately, too. Honestly.
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Thanks very much, BC. Coming for an English teacher that makes me beam.

A little about that is in order. I was rather bookish in my childhood, maybe because no one learned I needed glasses till 3rd grade, but three years later I had consumed most of the books of interest to me in the elementary school library. I especially recall liking Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlen and Isaac Asimov. My personal favorite, though is Mark Twain, and I own a complete 100 year old set from my grandfather which I found on hs bookcase when I was 14. I refused to learn to type properly, or play piano no matter how hard my mother tried to make me. she was a professional stenographer and Spanish/English translator, so maybe I inherited some ability. My father seldom ever wrote anything.

I obsitinately refused to learn grammar, sentence diagramming, and the technical rules in school, but picked up what I needed from reading books. I realize that many times I make mistakes which must be obvious, but if I edit carefully I can find most of them. This, after all, just a messageboard and I'm not usually very concerned except to get my message across. I never studied for a spelling test that I can recall, and always squeaked by in English class by a superior literature grade balancing a dismal grammar grade, except for 9th grade English which I flunked but ended up enjoying during summer school.

Somehow, I managed to talk myself into honors English as a senior in high school, mainly because I had a crush for a certain girl I cherished who had no problems about leaning over in her miniskirt, and after all, I was the only boy in the class!

In college, since I was an engineering major, I only had a minimal English load, and afterwards I did take one persuasive writing class sponsored by my employer General Electric, which was mainly sales related. That was great because they paid me to take it. It really wasn't till about 1996 when I got a PC and the internet that I started writing in earnest, after almost 20 years in which I hardly wrote at all.

So what you see isn't really more than emulation and hopefully whatever comes naturally, but again, I appreciate that someone noticed. I've mused about writing a book but I'm torn between fiction or something deeper. Maybe that will come some day. Another stage in life, maybe.

I think I do my best in the mornings, fortified by some strong coffee, an empty stomach, and a fresh mind. The java might make me seem more aggressive than I usually am personally, but maybe the subject matter has something to do with it too! Again, thanks.

Boomer Chick

01-10-2006, 07:36 AM

Jay,

How delightful! I so enjoyed learning about your reading and writing experiences. I too read science fiction along with other styles and genres. The first book that grabbed me in that genre was H.G. Wells's TheTime Machine and I remember reading it on the floor behind the couch when my mom moved the couch in front of our patio door in the winter (California) in sixth grade. I ravished Heinlein in college, THE "grokking" experience of the day, as we could all identify with the Stranger in a Strange Land. My reading behavior was rather eclectic, however, rather than concentrate on one author or one genre, I was all over the place. You couldn't call me bookish, but you could call me averagely well read through the grades. I preferred to go outside and play in good weather and liked skating, bike riding, four square, hop-scotch, lawn games, swimming, and such, more than staying inside and reading a book. I'd read at night in the winter and also do my homework at night during school and in the summers play hide and go seek after homework and on weekends. I had lots of friends and lots of kids to play with on our street and neighborhood. Around age 11, I began piano lessons and fit in at least forty minutes a day for practice and once a week my mother drove me to my piano teacher's home. Some summers we'd check books out of the book mobile, but our public library required our mother to drive us to a far away "downtown." I didn't start visiting a public library until junior high school in order to research for school papers.

And I remember outlining and diagramming sentences all through junior high school! We also were drummed with spellers from first grade on and even continued spelling tests in junior high. I'm not strong in spelling, but sometimes I amaze myself with my recall...other times I glitch on a simple word.

When it comes to message boards, I rarely take the time to improve my writing, reread, or do anything to enhance my form or style, rewrite sentences, or check my spelling. I must say I don't come across, at least in my mind, as anyone special regarding my language usage. You, however, seem much more refined at times, than I. You really managed to absorb the mechanics and the proper usage of the words through your reading. I always felt that good readers make good writers.... it's common sense. In one college writing class, we used to read Steinbeck and study his style, sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph, along with other chosen writers, and in that way we learned their styles and could recognize and copy them. It was fascinating to increase one's awareness and be able to adopt some of the various conventions. However, I think a good writer just writes from his or her own heart and with some rewriting and crafting and attention to organization he or she creates a story or recalls life experienes or writes about something they know or have studied. Just about anyone can write a book, especially those so motivated. Motivation seems to be the key....not any great and innate talent, but you seem to have both.

Hey! I like Twain, too, and do like his short stories....have a collection bound in maroon cloth with gold lettering and a hard cover called The Notorious Jumping Frog and Other Stories. I've actually been to Calaveras County, but never witnessed the famous and still held jumping frog contest.

I loved my reading assignments in high school (actually through all the grades) and all the creative writing and writing assignments. I loved poetry and took just about everything literature-related seriously. I was so serious and philosophical. Yet it was balanced with a silliness and a love of fun, frolic, music (popular, choir, musicals, performance), dance (performance), friends.....and boys.....that I imagine today enjoying myself as my own daughter! LOL!

I hope you weren't solely motivated by Halva's admonition to avoid personal relating! LOL!

When I went back to college to then return to the poetry, to the great writers of old in my late forties, it was a giant joy! I so loved studying and commenting upon the various writers of the ages from a more mature life perspective. It was grand. I loved learning the newer writing format (MLA), writing literary comparative essays, research essays, and position essays, and honing my skills. I worked hard and earned my A's and B's. I actually only taught as a substitute and teacher aide in high school English for years. I had taught classroom music at the elementary level for years before that with choirs and stage productions. When it came time in '99 to return fulltime to English teaching at the h.s. level (my personal goal), I opted out of the fulltime gig. Didn't want the stress. So don't picture me in your mind as an "English teacher" for many, many years and a dyed in the wool wordsmith and anal retentive, puckered Shakespeare lover. LOL!

Ain't what I am!

And I know thoughtful writing when I read it!

Boomer Chick

01-11-2006, 08:20 AM

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Daedalus

01-11-2006, 08:43 AM

Here's the thread for all discussion on climate change, what causes it, and what remedies various groups and factions recommend to mitigate it.

The saddest Truth today is that scientists have no more credibility than politicians, so people have no idea what to believe.

For instance, the UC National Labs, AAAS, UCS, etc. have all failed to do any more than create a huge university based welfare state, and have totally failed to come up with any fusion energy source, feasible fuel cell source, etc. after spending $Trillions, Millions of scientific "research" -years. They have done nothing more than make "better" WMDs ever since the Manhattan Project.

And so the situation today is that many "special interest" based politicians can confuse or convince most of the people that scientists even admit that they don't know what they are talking about when they discuss global warming, because there are too many "special interest" based scientists along with too many other scientists who admit they just don't know what the hell is going on, subject to further funding ad nauseum.

Boomer Chick

01-11-2006, 10:06 AM

The saddest Truth today is that scientists have no more credibility than politicians, so people have no idea what to believe.

What a thesis! Is it the saddest truth? Well, it certainly is one of them. And do all scientists lack credibility? That's a sweeping generality for sure. If scientists don't know anything than who does in terms of science? Do we really fail to form opinions and flounder in the squalor of our ignorance and scientific welfare system?

Speaking for myself, I find my research into scientific research itself has revealed the truths of which you speak and at the same time other truths opposing and equal as well as potentials that if carried to their proper functionality with ethical and humanitarian purpose, would indeed bring us to a future which cares for all humanity and the biosphere in which we live. Inherent in this vision lies the opportunity and the almost mandate of cooperation between world governments and world scientists. Their sharing their scientific knowledge and using that knowledge to inhance the human condition as well as preserve and protect our planetary human habitat between the various coalitions of concerned scientists and governments could indeed birth a future worthy of your highest ideals and concepts.

For instance, the UC National Labs, AAAS, UCS, etc. have all failed to do any more than create a huge university based welfare state, and have totally failed to come up with any fusion energy source, feasible fuel cell source, etc. after spending $Trillions, Millions of scientific "research" -years. They have done nothing more than make "better" WMDs ever since the Manhattan Project.

Yes, I agree to a great extent with you here as an example of university/gov. welfare tracking. It seems most high level research at the university level serves the purposes of the DOD. We've found that to be true. However, in bio-med, in astronomy, space, and even in energy there are some mavericks, some privatization, and entrepreneurial spirit beginning to erupt through the tentacles of nationalistic funding. I could site examples in each category. Google: "privatization of space travel"............... With energy, I see business itself in the capitalistic, global trends as leading the scientific advances in the real world of application, for example solar, biomass, and windmills..... see www.renewableenergyaccess.com (http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com) as an example of business R & D taking the lead regardless of legislative incentives and in many cases nationally and internationally with legislative incentives. The hirees of such companies emerge from the universities, so not all education and instruction is a waste.

The example you gave was only one example, but you could indeed make a good case for your claim regarding the university/gov. welfare state with funding given to research benefitting DOD projects more than others. Don't forget that private funding reaches into those universities and various companies as well.

And so the situation today is that many "special interest" based politicians can confuse or convince most of the people that scientists even admit that they don't know what they are talking about when they discuss global warming, because there are too many "special interest" based scientists along with too many other scientists who admit they just don't know what the hell is going on, subject to further funding ad nauseum.

Let's see, politicians actually confuse and convince people that scientists don't know squat about global warming? Is that your point? Well, if you research the various researchers on global warming you will see scientists who see climate change occuring (that's generally agreed upon due to the overwhelming data) but the REASONS for the change are currently being debated. One overwhelming piece of data however is that GREENHOUSE GASES are a reality. We as human produce many of them and their proliferation affects the environment in various ways. CO2 as one of the GREENHOUSE GASES interacts with the ocean and the atmosphere in particular ways. We have studied those ways on this board. You are free to peruse the articles referencing the various ways CO2 impacts as well as read about the sulfur cycles and other aspects of the man-made contributions to our atmosphere and waterways.

Politicians seem to fall on both sides: the Bush side: scientists don't know what causes global warming and by and large global warming doesn't exist; and the environmentally aware side: humans cause more GREENHOUSE GAS production which increases global warming which changes the environment and in many cases pollutes our air and water. Both sides use various scientists. As time goes on, more data will accumulate and the scales of scientific consensus will have to come down on either one side or the other. I predict that we will need to control our emissions, we need to now, and also that global climate change indeed will be found to be cyclic within the solar system and galactic system itself and that we as humans will need to adapt.

Please peruse the various sites we've listed and referenced so that you will gain confidence that many universities and science organizations like Woods Hole Oceanographic work intently to figure out our climate, our ocean systems, and our atmospheric systems. Yes, much of the R & D could indeed be funded by governments in order to someday manipulate weather for economic advantage or even influence the weather over other countries. Of course we on this board abhor the thought that other peoples could or would be stressed or burdened by purposeful weather manipulation in their lives, but we see the potential of such knowledge when used for humanity's benefit such as promoting rainfall for crop production. This is one reason why we are here..... to research the ongoing R & D on weather and climate.

Is the climate changing? Yes. Is it changing predictably around the globe? No. It is changing in various ways, some areas cooler, some areas drier, some areas wetter, some areas warmer.... and the cycles involved and man's contribution to the change are both being studied. Are hurricanes more intense? Yes. Are the ocean waters warming? Yes. Uniformly? No. Are some ocean waters cooling? Yes.

You have every reason to lack faith in the scientific community as it does seem that the tentacles of government reach too deeply into its midst and control it. However, keep faith by realizing that the net, the "smaller world" we have created, citizen desire for openness and accountability, global trade as a cooperative and peace-oriented venture (what percent?), privatized R & D, and other factors could indeed bring change and innovation to the scientific community and the world itself. And don't forget that human beings, your neighbors and friends, work in the scientific world and are the scientists and are they completely devoid of souls? No.

Have scientists been suppressed historically? Yes. But suppression of truths can only last for so long. Even a half a century in terms of geologic and historic time is not that long. Soon disclosure and even extraterrestrial knowledge will nexus into a new scientific paradigm for all humanity. This is the hope and the dream for the world along with peace and cooperation among the world's peoples. If we cannot take care of our own planet and humanity in peace, then how will we in all seriousness, survive as a species?

Please read the various links we posted. It may take you a little time, but the reading will be worth it to you. You may feel better when you're done, too.

Thank you, Daedalus, for joining us and bringing us your well written opinions.

Daedalus

01-11-2006, 12:24 PM

What a thesis! Is it the saddest truth? Well, it certainly is one of them. And do all scientists lack credibility? That's a sweeping generality for sure. If scientists don't know anything than who does in terms of science? Do we really fail to form opinions and flounder in the squalor of our ignorance and scientific welfare system?
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Please read the various links we posted. It may take you a little time, but the reading will be worth it to you. You may feel better when you're done, too.
Thank you, Daedalus, for joining us and bringing us your well written opinions.

Very well thought out response BC, and I thank you for your effort in presenting it. Let me go back to square one on a couple most important things you said, with quotes from people who are far more learned, experienced and respected than I shall ever be:

Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation, January 17, 1961:

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

Freeman Dyson, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, from his book Imagined Worlds ETHICS, pp. 198-199:

The main social benefit provided by pure science in esoteric fields is to serve as a welfare program for scientists and engineers. ---
the pure scientists have become more detached fom the mundane needs of humanity, and the applied scientists have become more attached to immediate profitability.

And now for whatever it is worth, as for myself I believe that sources of climate change we create have already become a major threat with escalating problems to humanity and earth. But you said:
As time goes on, more data will accumulate and the scales of scientific consensus will have to come down on either one side or the other.to which I must respond we no longer have the luxury of waiting for any more data to accumulate, the problems are already here, it's just that the credibility of the world scientific community that has failed Humanity as Professor Dyson documented and President Eisenhower warned.

Science has not come up with answers in the last 60 years in spite of the incredible resources they have been provided to do so, and the greatest imperative today is:

What we must have today is for the world scientific community to join together and implement a new "Manhattan Project" to meet the escalating threats and realities of environmental pollution, food limitations, and health before we reach a condition of global chaos from which we can never recover and create another Mars.

Boomer Chick

01-11-2006, 01:53 PM

Daedalus

01-11-2006, 02:06 PM

Yes, I'm aware of those quotes and those authors.
I do not believe that our world will sink into chaos, however.
What I said stands, Daedalus.
I have read about Peak Oil, I have read about climate change, I have read about the past, the secret military ops, HAARP, 911, area 51, Illuminati, GM mod foods and seeds, environmental concerns, research into plasma physics, laser technology and satellite surveillance and ozone watching, biologic and atmosheric systems, CIA special ops and the shadow government, aliens and illegal aliens and I tell you......................
do not fear. Do not succumb to fear. Fear mongering is a sign of your ability to be controlled by the negative forces on the planet.
Do not be blind to trends, of course, but do not succumb to fear and give in the hopeless side of possibilities.
Books can be written and many predictive books can be wrong.
Peak Oil and pollution, not to mention feeding and caring for the poor and third world countries all come into play............but our transition has begun already.
I asked you to read and you stubbornly refuse to review the information and data. Steep yourself in negative thinking if you so choose. Do what you can to improve our world and make it a better place. But don't whine and throw up your hands in despair...........we don't need that, do we?
So what the heck are YOU going to do about the trends YOU see?

Actually I have studied more than I care to even begin to list here BC.

With regard to your question: "So what the heck are YOU going to do about the trends YOU see?"-----

that's why I joined onto this thread, to raise awareness that America's scientific community has failed Humanity, and to try to encourage University scientists to take the initiative for a change.

Either the scientific community knows what they are talking about with respect to global warming, and are willing to do the right things to fight back against Freeman Dyson's charges against the AAAS et al., or they should just shut up and stop whining and throwing up their hands in despair.

The worst case scenario group that I know of personally is the Union of Concerned scientists in Berkeley who have ranted and raved about the end of the earth for decades, but continuously fail to do anything about it at their welfare jobs with the National labs.

Daedalus

01-11-2006, 02:49 PM

OK BC, let's take it to the next level, you've quoted a lot, so I'll share the latest "conventional wisdom" I just received from ieee-usa Today’s engineer Online:

What Lies Ahead: Forecast for 2006, January 2006

Climate Change — A 150-Year Problem?, by George McClure

Moving away from oil dependence will reduce future environmental pollution, especially in transportation, where most of the oil is used. Debate still exists over the extent of climate change beyond long-term trends experienced in the past, but technology makes possible alternatives that did not previously exist.
Ten states are coming up with their own pollution control standards, following California's lead. More stringent standards than those imposed by the Clean Air Act could affect a third of the U.S. automobile market. An open question is whether federal law would preempt state requirements, if a variety of standards are enacted in various states.
Signed by more than 70 countries, the Kyoto Protocol of 1997 has not achieved its intended result. It involved 162 countries, with the aim to reduce greenhouse gas emissions five percent below 1990 levels by 2012. The United States signed, but never ratified, the protocol. Many of the protocol's signatories were less-developed nations. A process for trading credits for unused emissions to more highly developed countries that exceeded their quotas was developed — but economic growth has made it unlikely that Japan and the European Union will meet their emission-reduction commitments.
By 2003, overall hydrocarbon emissions had risen nine percent over 1997 levels, and are expected to exceed the 1997 levels by 20 percent in 2010. The United States, Australia, China, Japan and other Asian countries announced in 2005 a different accord to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, in conjunction with G-8 leaders.
Private companies are pursuing programs including emission reductions, increased efficiencies in energy usage, and alternative energy development, including power generation from solar and wind sources. A hydrogen-powered electric plant in Scotland, running on natural gas, splits out the CO2 from the hydrocarbons to be injected into North Sea oil fields to extend oil extraction. The same process in Canada could increase oil production by 155 million barrels.
While some have tried to attribute the recent upswing in hurricane activity in the Atlantic to greenhouse warming, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration studies cannot find a connection.
Private corporate initiatives are aimed at reducing carbon emissions, but that will be done on the basis of cost-effectiveness. The Pareto Principle applies — 20 percent of the resources invested will yield 80 percent of the possible return — and those are the initiatives that industry will address in reducing emissions, says Michael Parr, DuPont government affairs manager. He notes that this is a "150-year problem."

Beyond that, for other efforts, since you live in Colorado, have you run across Amory Lovins and his Rocky Mountain Institute?
http://www.rmi.org/

halva

01-11-2006, 08:36 PM

Actually I have studied more than I care to even begin to list here BC.

With regard to your question: "So what the heck are YOU going to do about the trends YOU see?"-----

that's why I joined onto this thread, to raise awareness that America's scientific community has failed Humanity, and to try to encourage University scientists to take the initiative for a change.

Either the scientific community knows what they are talking about with respect to global warming, and are willing to do the right things to fight back against Freeman Dyson's charges against the AAAS et al., or they should just shut up and stop whining and throwing up their hands in despair.

The worst case scenario group that I know of personally is the Union of Concerned scientists in Berkeley who have ranted and raved about the end of the earth for decades, but continuously fail to do anything about it at their welfare jobs with the National labs.

Daedalus thank you for taking over the task of talking reality to BC. I hope that you can manage better than I have not to allow communication to be diverted, derailed and wrecked by Reynolds and the other disrupters that come here from time to time, some of them apparently with his encouragement.

Your using the 'welfare jobs' parallel to described scientists' relation to their work is not a metaphor I could use with most of the people I talk to, but the point you make is clear enough.

We had a "concerned scientist" posting here until recently, Insurrection Chemistry, but he got himself excluded by making too many demands of the moderators. He was also in denial on the subject of the United States Democratic Party and its potentialities and in his theorising about Jewish/Zionist/Israeli influence on the American political system he failed to make distinctions that may perhaps have enabled him to retain more credibility with other scientists and the educated public.

I am watching to see (within the constraints of ignore-listing) how Reynolds adapts to your coming here and how long it will take for him and BC to drive you away.

jayreynolds

01-12-2006, 03:31 AM

We had a "concerned scientist" posting here until recently, Insurrection Chemistry, but he got himself excluded by making too many demands of the moderators. .
No, Jim Phelps was a poseur who called himself a "whistleblower". It turned out he was just another fake:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31624
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31432

jayreynolds

01-12-2006, 03:51 AM

One billion Indians refuse to emissions cuts:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SYD254892.htm

Daedalus

01-12-2006, 03:56 AM

Daedalus thank you for taking over the task of talking reality to BC. I hope that you can manage better than I have not to allow communication to be diverted, derailed and wrecked by Reynolds and the other disrupters that come here from time to time, some of them apparently with his encouragement.
Your using the 'welfare jobs' parallel to described scientists' relation to their work is not a metaphor I could use with most of the people I talk to, but the point you make is clear enough.
We had a "concerned scientist" posting here until recently, Insurrection Chemistry, but he got himself excluded by making too many demands of the moderators. He was also in denial on the subject of the United States Democratic Party and its potentialities and in his theorising about Jewish/Zionist/Israeli influence on the American political system he failed to make distinctions that may perhaps have enabled him to retain more credibility with other scientists and the educated public.
I am watching to see (within the constraints of ignore-listing) how Reynolds adapts to your coming here and how long it will take for him and BC to drive you away.

Thank you for your comments halva. Participating on these threads, I am frequently reminded of Jon Stewart's characterization of the daily news as truly absurd examples of everyday life durng the decline and fall of America.

Whereas, the bottom line most tragically for Humanity is that the University based physics community worldwide has been in a state of denial, in America living off of their last "great" accomplishment with the Manhattan Project while failing to create an alternative energy source to replace the need for fossil fuel ever since for over 60 years.

So we can argue "Climate Change" until hell freezes over, or we evolve even further toward becoming another "Martian" planet, and meanwhile science continues to collect their welfare checks while Humanity continues along a hell on earth path of hurricanes, polar ice cap melting and rising sea levels, the latest "Little Ice Age", agricultural failures, environmental based diseases, wars in the Middle East and increasing competition with China over the remaining world resources.

And there is nothing to stop the out of control changes on Gaia while we argue about consequences instead of doing anything about causes while scientists act like politicians blaming everyone and everything but ourselves for the increasing crimes against humanity.

jayreynolds

01-12-2006, 04:01 AM

Daedalus

01-12-2006, 04:33 AM

This so logical, so well doumented, and so clear-cut that I simply have to post it, even though despite the adjectives above an attack will likely come on the author for his previous viewpoints.
Be sure to not miss what some scientists have become:
Jumping To Conclusions: Frogs, Global Warming and Nature
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/01/11/jumping-to-conclusions-frogs-global-warming-and-nature/

Your dissertation is interesting, while your conclusion "the credibility of your journal may be damaged beyond repair.” is more important than your focused argument suggests.

The paramount point that must be recognized is that credibility of the entire scientific community, Nature, Science etc., is in self destruct mode, evolving into the persona of a bunch of politicians in the minds of the public.

So if that's what you are trying to accomplish, you have at least succeeded in that respect, or disrespect.

halva

01-12-2006, 05:47 AM

Your dissertation is interesting, while your conclusion "the credibility of your journal may be damaged beyond repair.” is more important than your focused argument suggests.

The paramount point that must be recognized is that credibility of the entire scientific community, Nature, Science etc., is in self destruct mode, evolving into the persona of a bunch of politicians in the minds of the public.

So if that's what you are trying to accomplish, you have at least succeeded in that respect, or disrespect.

Daedalus, your message is addressed to the unidentified author of the comments to the editors of Nature. Whoever that person is, he/she is not here to respond. The person who is here is the poster, who is known to us as Jay Reynolds.

Daedalus

01-12-2006, 06:05 AM

Daedalus, your message is addressed to the unidentified author of the comments to the editors of Nature. Whoever that person is, he/she is not here to respond. The person who is here is the poster, who is known to us as Jay Reynolds.halva, "The paramount point that must be recognized is that credibility of the entire scientific community, Nature, Science etc., is in self destruct mode, evolving into the persona of a bunch of politicians in the minds of the public."

Boomer Chick

01-12-2006, 09:37 AM

First of all, Daedalus, you will have to prove yourself as an independent, thoughtful agent, here.

So far, you've failed to address my manifold points and failed to answer my simple question to you:

What are YOU doing to alleviate the negative trends you see?

Next, notice your propensity to blame. Think about it. You seem and others seem as well, to almost obsess upon blaming someone or something for the possible stresses of adaptation ahead. Why blame?

Why not just dig in, do what you can on your individual living level, join those who wish to effect change, and quit trying to find a "culprit" or "culprits." I ask you to ponder this. Overall personal and intellectual dynamics should be examined.

What could science have done to prepare for the changes ahead?

Intense study of the atmosphere?

More public awareness messages about greenhouse gases twenty years ago?

And IF all of your criteria were met.....how would the nation and the world be preparing now for the changes we see?

Yes, in many ways the university research area has been overtaken by government funding.............. and how would you change that?

I would also highlight the fact that on a truly intellectual board, criticizing other members of the board in a personal way and attempting to highjack open-minded opinion forming of others, connotes a need for overcontrol beyond the norm. Beware of such folk. If a falsehood is presented within a commentary about a particular poster, such falsehoods should indeed be cleared to the reader. I highly respect Reynold's attempt and effort to do so.

Empathizing with the first step in the emotional process of activism, which is to first identify the problems of human behavior is fine and dandy. But we must mature beyond these "OH! - I - SEE - A - PROBLEM - WITH - THIS - GROUP - AND/OR - THAT- GROUP" and seek personal and organizational solutions to the societal negatives we see. Jimmy Carter wraps it up rather nicely in this piece:

How can we heal our planet and achieve an Earth that nurtures humanity and nature in all their diversity? As individuals we can act to reduce our risk of exposure to disease and extend care to others. As communities and as nations, we can educate our citizens, legislate ethically and wisely, and support organizations that conduct research and help those who are ill.

As an organizer and director of a social organization dedicated to helping humanity, mainly on the human health and hunger front, Carter has accumulated successes that are real and valuable for all humanity. He and his organization have actually WORKED to help others, like a modern day Peace Corps., and have actually wiped out various maladies and diseases in Africa and other countries. I would add that their participation in Habitat for Humanity has concretely helped many in America as well and given that extra humanitarian "push" called hope.

The success of these efforts reaffirms my faith that this is a time not for despair but for a global commitment to make the most of our scientific knowledge to address the problems of our age. This book highlights the challenges humanity faces in the 21st century: the global fight to control disease, the need to make our food safe and our water clean and to learn to live together fruitfully in megacities. The problems may seem insurmountable, but they are not. We have the tools; we have brilliant, dedicated people to find answers. All we need is a sense of sharing and the will to change. The will can grow from understanding. Once we understand, we can care, and once we care, we can change.

His main point is the same as my main point, when and if we as a planet of social beings can share, cooperate, and use wealth for the altruistic purposes of feeding, clothing, housing, and caring for one another, we can accomplish anything. Adaptation to changing environments could easily be accomplished in this atmosphere and peaceful world social climate.

The issues of peace and war are primary to our survival, therefore, and the tracks of time will either progress toward self inhiliation as a species OR self preservation and planetary preservation involving cooperation and sharing. Businesses run with integrity could be part of this conceived reality.

What do I do? I support political leaders who are circumspect and in favor of peace and equality among all peoples. I participate in peaceful pursuits. I limit my consumption of petroleum based fuels and products. I choose glass containers, consume organic foods, support organizations that support peace, and want to serve in some capacity in the future in an international service organization. We're considering buying a hybrid car and installing solar and other alternative residential energy systems. I monetarily support organizations intent on promoting fair voting and have in the past donated to environmental organizations.

Now, however, I think peace in terms of American foreign policy outweighs all other concerns. Without peace, we will continue to funnel our taxpayer funds into the DOD on a level that will continue to produce national economic disadvantage, weakening of the dollar internationally, and a possible war situation from which we could reap death and destruction beyond our dreams. THIS, THIS is the danger.......... not the changing environmental environment in which we find ourselves due to our industrial age in partnership with cyclic planetary, solar system, and galactic changes.

Yes, we contributed as a species burning the carbon based materials, but we didn't know back then and the only one in our history who raised a red flag, raised it in the 70's. Would that have truly prevented the polar ice caps from melting? The slowing of the Gulf Stream? The electro-magnetic shifting of the poles? Come on, you know as well as I that had we started back in the seventies to reduce greenhouse gases, it wouldn't have done squat to the planetary changes we now see. At least I feel that way extremely strongely.

IS never proved himself as a viable and respected scientist of any merit whatsoever. College-level and high school level (chemistry/physics) posters blasted his theories to bits...... it was quite easy for them, matter of fact. Halva is not schooled in the sciences and though at times IS presented intelligent sounding theories, they did not hold up to scrutiny. Yes, he did work in some capacity at Oakridge and did testify to Congress in regard to chemical pollution affecting their workers, but as far as vast conspiracies regarding chemtrails and purposeful geoengineering regarding the spreading of chemicals in our skies he could never offer proof......matter of fact, no one has.

Another question:

How do you plan to change the university system or enlighten university participants in grant-receiving by posting on this board? What are you doing to further your goal of changing this trend?

jayreynolds

01-12-2006, 10:22 AM

How do you plan to change the university system or enlighten university participants in grant-receiving by posting on this board? What are you doing to further your goal of changing this trend? ]
BC, you're a pretty tough 'taskmaster'.

halva

01-12-2006, 11:45 AM

halva, "The paramount point that must be recognized is that credibility of the entire scientific community, Nature, Science etc., is in self destruct mode, evolving into the persona of a bunch of politicians in the minds of the public."

I made precisely the same point in a dialogue with Footsoldier (identified as 'Colleague') in the article: "Climate Change Jekylls and Hydes":

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/jekyll-hyde.pdf
and
http://www.spectrezine.org/environment/Hall3.htm

If a scientist, in the explanation he offers for a situation, rather than outlining what 'political choice' leads politicians to do, does the same thing himself/herself, he/she ceases to be a scientist (or rather ceases to deserve the respect claimed by science) and becomes a politician.

Daedalus

01-12-2006, 12:01 PM

First of all, Daedalus, you will have to prove yourself as an independent, thoughtful agent, here.
How do you plan to change the university system or enlighten university participants in grant-receiving by posting on this board? What are you doing to further your goal of changing this trend? [/left]

That is the longest example of denial I have read.

What you totally fail to comprehend in your zeal to strike back with vengenance, is that America's scientific welfare state has failed America and Humanity for 60 years.

The problem that is with us now, is the problem that caused the Iraq War, and can very likely cause a war with China, the problem is control of the remaining world oil supplies.

So I'm really not worried about your "climate change" thesis as much as I am concerned about the absolute, total and complete breakdown of American science since WWII.

I already gave you key quotes by Ike and Freeman, but you chose to marginalize them, however regardless of what you wish to rant about, the Truth is that American scientists have to be kicked out of the welfare state they are in before they ever become serious scientists again that care more about Humanity than their own welfare state.

Boomer Chick

01-12-2006, 12:18 PM

Denial of your blame game!

You don't stike me as willing to communicate here, just express an opinion and expect others to agree with you.

You resemble Halva in more than one way. Why don't you two merge over in Greece and have a little pity party!

I don't see that all of American science has let us down. This is to negate all other scientists of world as well. How narrow. Sorry, don't agree and don't agree with you. You can call it anything you want and avoid answering my questions about your role in change. You obviously resemble stubborn negativism as much if not more than Halva does.

Try reading this and get a clue. The times are changing and you'll just be a spectator if you don't get in on the newer trends.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/RenaissCommon12.07.03.pdf

But you don't care, do you?

Boomer Chick

01-12-2006, 12:21 PM

BC, you're a pretty tough 'taskmaster'.

Jay, the similarities between this "new" poster and Halva are just too miraculous to mention.

This is my feeling now.

I have tried to engage this person in serious discussion and it's the same kind of energy in return that I get from Halva. I wouldn't doubt Halva has created a new personality for his entertainment on this board. I could be wrong.

Daedalus

01-12-2006, 12:50 PM

[
Denial of your blame game!
You don't stike me as willing to communicate here, just express an opinion and expect others to agree with you.
You resemble Halva in more than one way. Why don't you two merge over in Greece and have a little pity party!
I don't see that all of American science has let us down. This is to negate all other scientists of world as well. How narrow. Sorry, don't agree and don't agree with you. You can call it anything you want and avoid answering my questions about your role in change. You obviously resemble stubborn negativism as much if not more than Halva does.
Try reading this and get a clue. The times are changing and you'll just be a spectator if you don't get in on the newer trends.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/RenaissCommon12.07.03.pdf
But you don't care, do you?

You're really not serious are you BC, with your long winded obfuscations?

You just want to hold court like a Queen over her loyal subjects who shall agree by decree, or be excommunicated to hell and damnation.

I'll believe a scientific renaissance when I see the results, but the fact that they called it a Renaissance speaks for itself as more B.S.

Boomer Chick

01-12-2006, 01:17 PM

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You're really not serious are you BC, with your long winded obfuscations?

You just want to hold court like a Queen over her loyal subjects who shall agree by decree, or be excommunicated to hell and damnation.

I'll believe a scientific renaissance when I see the results, but the fact that they called it a Renaissance speaks for itself as more B.S.

BINGO!

The proof stands bare before you all!

This "Daedalus" an ancient GREEK mythological character has now blown his cover!

The term "queen" has only been used by one person on this board in reference to myself and this is our beloved and nuerotic friend, Halva.

Halva, why don't you find a REAL person to support your theories! PLEASE!

I was tough, yes I was. But I had to flesh this identity out!

I am not a queen! But I expect some thoughtful responses, not ones devoted to name-calling and emotionalism so favored and exemplified in our passionate GREEK friend of Australian Greek decent, raised in Australia................W.H.

How pathetically fun!

Halva, the invitation still stands! Come on over! See it for yourself!

halva

01-12-2006, 01:23 PM

So I'm really not worried about your "climate change" thesis as much as I am concerned about the absolute, total and complete breakdown of American science since WWII.

There is no doubt that the climate change campaign is serving the same structural role that was served twenty years ago by the anti-nuclear-weapons movement.

Just as twenty years ago international anti-nuclear demonstrations were run out of London by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, today international climate change demonstrations are run out of London by the Campaign against Climate Change.

In both cases the movements enjoy a measure of official support not for the purposes the activists have in mind, but for the purpose of keeping people pessimistic and afraid. In the case of nuclear weapons, most of the population might have forgotten they even existed if they weren't continually reminded of the necessity for being terrified of nuclear armageddon.

Similarly in the case of climate change, in many parts of the world (where I live for example) it is not something that is at the moment obvious to the untutored eye.

But in neither case is the problem, I believe, fantastic. The nuclear arms race was, and is, deplorable, a disgrace, and a threat to humanity. And I do not believe that climate change due to the burning of fossil fuels is imaginary.

But anti-nuclear weapons activists then, and climate change activists now, typically lack political acumen. They (we) have been, and continue to be, impressionable and easily misled for purposes that are not our own subjective purposes.

The climate change movement is certainly being used as a diversion from, and a screen for, the military manipulation of climate.

halva

01-12-2006, 02:23 PM

What you totally fail to comprehend in your zeal to strike back with vengenance, is that America's scientific welfare state has failed America and Humanity for 60 years.

There is good information on this subject (without employment of the 'welfare state' metaphor) in Gregg Herken's 'Cardinal Choices - Presidential Science Advising from the Atomic Bomb to SDI'.

jayreynolds

01-12-2006, 03:38 PM

This is a sick little game you are playing, Wayne. How often do you do it?

What happened four days ago that made you want to pose as someone else?

If you keep it up, you will only expose yourself further, I'd suggest you quit while you're behind!

halva

01-12-2006, 07:21 PM

whitemajikman

01-12-2006, 11:01 PM

bump

halva

01-13-2006, 03:24 AM

WMM seems to be more into bumping than reading.

Daedalus

01-13-2006, 03:56 AM

BINGO!
The proof stands bare before you all!
This "Daedalus" an ancient GREEK mythological character has now blown his cover!
The term "queen" has only been used by one person on this board in reference to myself and this is our beloved and nuerotic friend, Halva.
Halva, why don't you find a REAL person to support your theories! PLEASE!
I was tough, yes I was. But I had to flesh this identity out!
I am not a queen! But I expect some thoughtful responses, not ones devoted to name-calling and emotionalism so favored and exemplified in our passionate GREEK friend of Australian Greek decent, raised in Australia................W.H.
How pathetically fun!
Halva, the invitation still stands! Come on over! See it for yourself!

Bullseye, your deranged denials and obfuscations prove you are a Queen.

You have dedicated a thread to your own political agenda to deny the failures of scientific community, which is a root cause of the greatest problems for Humanity today.

jayreynolds

01-13-2006, 04:15 AM

Daedalus

01-13-2006, 04:21 AM

There is good information on this subject (without employment of the 'welfare state' metaphor) in Gregg Herken's 'Cardinal Choices - Presidential Science Advising from the Atomic Bomb to SDI'.halva, the University based scientifc "welfare state" characterization I use is derived from the statements I quoted by Freeman Dyson, in addition to Ike's warning about the University based scientic community selling out Humanity to government contracts.

A lot of people spend a lot of time hyperventilating about environmental problems with agendas to cover up the root cause of those problems, and denials of the scientific welfare state that fails to solve those problems.

So the Truth is that regardless of how serious any of these problems may or may not be, they are dedicated to protecting the failures of sciene until whatever state of existence their failures are leading us into occurs, with their highest priority being to protect their welfare state regardless of consequences to Humanity.

The Union of Concerned Scientists in Berkeley is the worst case scenario to illustrate my point, they rant and rave about environmental problems, and point fingers at everyone but themselves to avoid having to actually work for a living and accomplish any scientific progress for the good of the future of Humanity.

jayreynolds

01-13-2006, 04:48 AM

Bullseye, your deranged denials and obfuscations prove you are a Queen.

You have dedicated a thread to your own political agenda to deny the failures of scientific community, which is a root cause of the greatest problems for Humanity today.

“Watch your thoughts; they become your words.
Watch your words; they become your actions.
Watch your actions; they become your habits.
Watch your habits; they become your character.
Watch your character for it will become your destiny.”- Outlaw, Frank

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?
p=240025&highlight=queen#post240025

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239304&highlight=queen#post239304

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238817&highlight=queen#post238817

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238650&highlight=queen#post238650

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238414&highlight=queen#post238414

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238332&highlight=queen#post238332

Daedalus

01-13-2006, 06:23 AM

“Watch your thoughts; they become your words.
Watch your words; they become your actions.
Watch your actions; they become your habits.
Watch your habits; they become your character.
Watch your character for it will become your destiny.”- Outlaw, Frank
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?
p=240025&highlight=queen#post240025
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239304&highlight=queen#post239304
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If that's an example of your scientific research expertise jayreynolds, then all you have suggested is that jayrenolds=Boomer Chick, which is probably just as absurd.

The extent that you and BC go to cover up the failures in University based science is just more proof of why that institution is such failure to Humanity.

jayreynolds

01-13-2006, 07:19 AM

If that's an example of your scientific research expertise jayreynolds, then all you have suggested is that jayrenolds=Boomer Chick, which is probably just as absurd.

The extent that you and BC go to cover up the failures in University based science is just more proof of why that institution is such failure to Humanity.
You can go ahead and call me "Raynolds", Wayne. It's ok! At least now we're speaking to each other again.
LOL

Daedalus

01-13-2006, 08:13 AM

Let's get back to the subject of this thread, in spite of your refusals to deal with the root cause of any problems that may exist.

So I'll give you a worst case scenario University based welfare science that both BC and her alter ego may be familiar with:

General Atomics began working on Inertial Confinement Fusion in 1975 in an alliance with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Today, the only real product by the UCSD-GA team is spatter on the chamber walls from unstable ionized deuterium plasma.

Their failure to deal with extra dimension gravity means ITER will be subject to funding and research until the world runs out of oil, which will finally achieve at least one solution to any climate change problems that may occur in the meantime, if it’s not too late.

jayreynolds

01-13-2006, 02:28 PM

Daedalus

01-13-2006, 03:45 PM

Well, what do you propse to do about this?
What is your plan of action?
BC already asked that question, my answer was, and still is:
American scientists have to be kicked out of the welfare state they are in before they ever become serious scientists again that care more about Humanity than their own welfare state.
J.B.S. Haldane warned in Daedalus that science was turning good into evil justified by events, it's time for the AAAS and other such organizations to focus scientists on the needs of Humanity.

whitemajikman

01-13-2006, 05:12 PM

BC already asked that question, my answer was, and still is:
J.B.S. Haldane warned in Daedalus that science was turning good into evil justified by events, it's time for the AAAS and other such organizations to focus scientists on the needs of Humanity.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSE ........IS FUNDING........

THE GOVERNMENT/MILITARY IS THE WORLDS LARGEST SCIENTIFIC FUNDERS OF OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY..........AND IS CORRUPT .........

AND IF LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL ONLY LEAD TO THE GOVERNMENT/MILITARY.........

JUST AS IT DOES NOW..............

THE ONLY TRUE WAY FOR CHANGE.......IS TO GET RID OF GREED,POWER AND SECRECY................

SO SCIENCE CANNOT BE SO EASILY CORRUPTED......

WMM

jayreynolds

01-13-2006, 06:45 PM

BC already asked that question, my answer was, and still is:
"American scientists have to be kicked out of the welfare state they are in"

BUT HOW WOULD YOU ACCOMPLISH SUCH A THING?
ARE YOU EVEN A SCIENTIST?
ARE YOU A POLITICIAN?
Why just "American" scientists?
What about the many thousands of scientists who work for corporations?

J.B.S. Haldane warned in Daedalus that science was turning good into evil justified by events, it's time for the AAAS and other such organizations to focus scientists on the needs of Humanity.

Haldane?
Interesting that you would quote a devout Marxist. He participated in an extensive propaganda campaign on behalf of the Soviets, you know, including this evil-shrouded "potemkin" film:
http://www.archive.org/details/Experime1940

History shows that "Soviet Science" was one of the most corrupt "welfare states" ever conceived, and one which was entirely eclipsed by Capitalism-driven achievements.

It really seems as if your premise is a half-baked sort of idea.
Unless you have practical means for achieving your stated goals, you are just pissing in the wind here.

Or are you really just putting this out to take up some space and time, huh????????

halva

01-13-2006, 11:44 PM

halva, the University based scientifc "welfare state" characterization I use is derived from the statements I quoted by Freeman Dyson, in addition to Ike's warning about the University based scientic community selling out Humanity to government contracts.

A lot of people spend a lot of time hyperventilating about environmental problems with agendas to cover up the root cause of those problems, and denials of the scientific welfare state that fails to solve those problems.

I note that in a previous posting you implied that scientists are a new, second, layer of politicians. Now you identify them as welfare scroungers.

In both cases you seem to be trying to utilize aspects of 'free market' ideology for your own purposes (i.e. basically for good purposes, but is it going to work?).

Noting that 'the welfare state' is being chopped everywhere else, you figure that if you can persuade the welfare state choppers that they are have overlooked yet another group that are in receipt of taxpayers' money for no good reason, you can get them chopped too.

So the Truth is that regardless of how serious any of these problems may or may not be, they are dedicated to protecting the failures of sciene until whatever state of existence their failures are leading us into occurs, with their highest priority being to protect their welfare state regardless of consequences to Humanity.

The Union of Concerned Scientists in Berkeley is the worst case scenario to illustrate my point, they rant and rave about environmental problems, and point fingers at everyone but themselves to avoid having to actually work for a living and accomplish any scientific progress for the good of the future of Humanity.

Their ranting and raving after all reflects the need to compete for funding with other, more powerful, lobbies.

I examined an instance of something similar in the case of the BBC documentary on 'Global Dimming':
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

"Many of the scientists who appeared in the 'Global Dimming' documentary had reservations about the director's hysterical editorial line, but felt overall that some such approach was necessary in the interests of awakening the public to the real dimensions of the global warming problem."

When everyone is out there competing on the marketplace, everyone becomes a salesman, a huckster, a pushy jerk. Or at least becomes sympathetic to the needs of the public relations and sales department.

halva

01-14-2006, 12:03 AM

Daedalus, I have a feeling that you won't stay around this forum very long.

Reynolds has scientific knowledge, but is entirely malicious in intentions and uninterested in any input that he can't use in his personal crusade against me, since defeating me and reducing me to apathy is something he has set as the number one goal in his life.

Boomer Chick is a conscientious student but as you have seen, quite incapable of discussing the political aspect of anything.

Other well-informed posters here are centred on their own interests. It's going to be frustrating for you here.

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 05:05 AM

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSE ........IS FUNDING........
THE GOVERNMENT/MILITARY IS THE WORLDS LARGEST SCIENTIFIC FUNDERS OF OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY..........AND IS CORRUPT .........
AND IF LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL ONLY LEAD TO THE GOVERNMENT/MILITARY.........
JUST AS IT DOES NOW..............
THE ONLY TRUE WAY FOR CHANGE.......IS TO GET RID OF GREED,POWER AND SECRECY................
SO SCIENCE CANNOT BE SO EASILY CORRUPTED......
WMMYou emphasized the same warnings that Haldane and Eisenhower made in the early and middle 20th century.

And Dyson documented the failures of the scientific community to heed those warnings.

The tragedy for Humanity is that scientists have proven thoughout the 20th century that they really do not want to change until they are kicked out of the welfare system, and/or AAAS starts mandating ethics, morals, integrity and dedication to the needs of Humanity at last.

jayreynolds

01-14-2006, 05:17 AM

Daedalus, I have a feeling that you won't stay around this forum very long.
Well, at least you've found someone who will jump when you say jump, and whom you can probably boss around easily enough, Wayne. LOL!

Reynolds has scientific knowledge, but is entirely malicious in intentions and uninterested in any input that he can't use in his personal crusade against me, since defeating me and reducing me to apathy is something he has set as the number one goal in his life.

Not my number one goal, Wayne, but after all, you did challenge anyone to come and debate your claim:

"It is time for there to be exposure, and honest public debate, about what is ALREADY being done by the proponents of geoengineering 'solutions'."

What your big problem now is that you have met your Waterloo, I have already defeated you,
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35721
at which time you started this silly ploy wherein you falsely claim to be ignoring me.

And now, as your defeat is manifest and all hope is abandoned, you start to come up with this "Deaedalus" stuff?

The reality is that I never wanted to "reduce you to apathy", I wanted you to discover the Truth, I wanted you to learn a lesson. The reality is that you have been shown to be insincere, you never tested your claim, but merely left it as an assumption, and you know what assume means?

It means you made an ass out of yourself!

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 05:19 AM

I note that in a previous posting you implied that scientists are a new, second, layer of politicians. Now you identify them as welfare scroungers.
In both cases you seem to be trying to utilize aspects of 'free market' ideology for your own purposes (i.e. basically for good purposes, but is it going to work?).
Noting that 'the welfare state' is being chopped everywhere else, you figure that if you can persuade the welfare state choppers that they are have overlooked yet another group that are in receipt of taxpayers' money for no good reason, you can get them chopped too.
Their ranting and raving after all reflects the need to compete for funding with other, more powerful, lobbies.
I examined an instance of something similar in the case of the BBC documentary on 'Global Dimming':
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
"Many of the scientists who appeared in the 'Global Dimming' documentary had reservations about the director's hysterical editorial line, but felt overall that some such approach was necessary in the interests of awakening the public to the real dimensions of the global warming problem."
When everyone is out there competing on the marketplace, everyone becomes a salesman, a huckster, a pushy jerk. Or at least becomes sympathetic to the needs of the public relations and sales department.

Thanks for your perspectives halva.

Those who focus solely on the perceived problems are doomed to fail, and humanity may well fail along with them.

Those who dedicate themselves to solutions for the good of the Human race are our only hope.

The AAAS must accept their responsibilities to Humanity, or they just join the politicians in the destruction of Humanity.

P.S. Re: your following post, BC does stimulate discussion which frequently results in healthy point-counterpoint that we need.

Ignore the irrational posters, especially when they still cling to "Flatland" science, they are always with us, and Freedom of Speech is something we must guard with our lives.

jayreynolds

01-14-2006, 06:55 AM

"Many of the scientists who appeared in the 'Global Dimming' documentary had reservations about the director's hysterical editorial line, but felt overall that some such approach was necessary in the interests of awakening the public to the real dimensions of the global warming problem."

"I am not opposed to transparency, but not every move that one makes has to be announced in advance.

We also found that dialogue with Travis was getting nowhere finally. And that whole 'Global Dimming' project with the BBC documentary in which Travis played a star role was ill-conceived as a way of making a 'limited hangout' (if that was the objective).
http://chem11.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=technosphere&action=display&thread=1073367108&page=11

So, Wayne, if you contacted Dr. David Travis, surely you queried him about your claim that a global startospheric geoengineering program was underway.
What was his response?(since you are "not opposed to transparency".......)
http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/personal.php

When everyone is out there competing on the marketplace, everyone becomes a salesman, a huckster, a pushy jerk. Or at least becomes sympathetic to the needs of the public relations and sales department.

Wayne, it's very good that you recognize your own hucksterism. The difference between us, however, is that I tell people the facts, you just want them to believe despite the facts!!
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35721

Boomer Chick

01-14-2006, 08:44 AM

Visions : How Science Will Revolutionize the 21st Century (Paperback)
by Michio Kaku (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Michio%20Kaku&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/002-5510066-5538407) "THREE CENTURIES AGO, Isaac Newton wrote: "...to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on a seashore, and diverting myself in..." (more (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385484992/ref=sib_fs_top/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00G&checkSum=%2Fw%2F8jlq1k9SgN%2FPXODTorQwKhPBUBxFTkjk KyT81Sd0%3D#reader-link))
SIPs: biomolecular revolution (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=sip_top_0/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=JPP1qwZP33ypQTG19C96m7qKQJSJGj6pO5e2MsDtL 8HfdLKBTz4MMw%3D%3D&phrase=biomolecular%20revolution), three scientific revolutions (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=sip_top_1/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=quqhQZKKB2dy6uNpbnh6Qnpab575y6E5c0Qv47VST Ct0sBtUQ%2Fqg%2FQ%3D%3D&phrase=three%20scientific%20revolutions), quantum transistors (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=sip_top_2/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=hwU930AzQ18N%2BNJGkKB032ukAYFMqQ%2BRlubjO WyQFBs%3D&phrase=quantum%20transistors), molecular robots (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=sip_top_3/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=Ul%2FaRcDixOatKgUl9eNPKoQd8TIQmM%2F5tB%2F ZfxUCxXk%3D&phrase=molecular%20robots), planetary civilization (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=sip_top_4/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=xS2mbyxV3um322yfe3QUWBzFYIkJbch4UmgnoR%2B I4ZgH0OO8zn6apw%3D%3D&phrase=planetary%20civilization) (more (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385484992/002-5510066-5538407?v=glance&n=283155#sipbody))
CAPs: Nobel Laureate (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=cap_top_0/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=%2FN3%2FvWLNSDDf6KieEEvxLY8oSoC28nGtzFfDP DxeRdo%3D&phrase=Nobel%20Laureate), World War (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=cap_top_1/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=LvKzc8Menue9xpZt2%2FEgBn6kH65grviu&phrase=World%20War), University of California (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=cap_top_2/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=%2BJJn9gqNnfbLs3afx6VyU%2B%2BkLGSES7OFAxt vbsL%2FpmGIe7Ccvf1x7Q%3D%3D&phrase=University%20of%20California), Big Bang (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=cap_top_3/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=OpTNzAyFdROTfYDbWXVC5cUcn2T8f21u&phrase=Big%20Bang), Human Genome Project (http://www.amazon.com/gp/phrase/ref=cap_top_4/002-5510066-5538407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&src=0385484992&checkSum=CWYFAjILgze9c%2B912vhdP5cr64IVbeWhzObt%2B eRqgmM%3D&phrase=Human%20Genome%20Project) (more (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385484992/002-5510066-5538407?v=glance&n=283155#capbody))

Australian and international science organization:
http://www.oecd.org/document/0,2340,en_2649_34487_25998799_1_1_1_1,00.html

Example of private funding of science (not the only foundation)

http://www.jsmf.org/apply/

A UK 21st Century science site:

http://www.21stcentury.co.uk/science/key_concepts.asp

Some accomplishments of the largest scientifically funded tentacle of the US govt.-- The Department of Energy

http://www.science.doe.gov/Sub/Accomplishments/accomplishments/top_10_2003.htm

I noticed that all the "ENERGY" innovations seem to be slated for mid-century. That alone connotes an agenda. My take? Keep the oil moguls in power for as long as possible. Read it and notice that most of the energy innovations in actual use today: windmills, geo, water wave action, solar ..... are NOT part of the heavy Gov. -funded umbrella

The Department of Energy’s overarching mission is to advance the national, economic and energy security of the United States; to promote scientific and technological innovation in support of that mission; and to ensure the environmental cleanup of the national nuclear weapons complex. The Department’s four strategic goals encompass defense, energy, environment and science.

As a part of the Department of Energy, the Office of Science is the single largest supporter of basic research in the physical sciences in the United States. It oversees and is the principal federal funding agency of the Nation’s research programs in high energy physics (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/hep.html), (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/hep.html) nuclear physics (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/np.html), (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/np.html) and f (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/fes.html)usion energy sciences (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/fes.html). In addition, the Office of Science manages fundamental research programs in <A style="COLOR: #ffff00" href="http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/bes.html">basic energy sciences (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/bes.html), (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/bes.html) biological and environmental research (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/ber.html), and advanced scientific computing research (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/ascr.html). The Office of Science also promotes workforce development (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Program_Offices/wd.html) by sponsoring programs that support the scientific advancement of students and educators.

The National Science and Technology Council (NSTC) of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) prepared a document, “Science for the 21st Century” outlining the Administration’s plan for research and development. Four major responsibilities addressed in the report are:

Promote discovery and sustain the excellence of the nation's scientific research enterprise (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Responsibilites/responsibilites1.html)

Respond to the nation's complex, critical challenges with timely, innovative approaches (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Responsibilites/responsibilites2.html)

Invest in and accelerate the transformation of science into national benefits (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Responsibilites/responsibilites3.html)

Achieve excellence in science and technology education and workforce development (http://www.science.doe.gov/Science_21st_Century/Responsibilites/responsibilites4.html)

The above links provide details about how the Office of Science demonstrates its commitment to the responsibilities outlined in "Science for the 21st Century".

Boomer Chick

01-14-2006, 08:51 AM

Top 10 DOE Office of Science Achievements in 2003

International Fusion Energy Project.

In January 2003, President Bush committed the U.S. to participate in the largest and most technologically sophisticated research project in the world, ITER, to harness the promise of fusion energy, the same form of energy that powers the sun. Throughout 2003 the ITER Parties negotiated an understanding on sharing the cost of ITER, on allocating the hardware procurements, and on most of the terms and conditions of a formal Agreement. The site decision remains to be completed, and a plan is being implemented to reach consensus on the site in early 2004.

If successful, this $5 billion, internationally supported research project would advance progress toward producing clean, renewable, commercially available fusion energy by the middle of the century.

High Performance Computing for Science.

In September 2003, 10 Federal Agencies, under the leadership of DOE’s Office of Science and the Department of Defense, delivered the President’s Science Advisor a comprehensive plan to help ensure U.S. leadership in high performance computing for science in the next decade. This leadership is critical for the security and prosperity of the Nation, with impacts in fields ranging from the design of automobiles and aircraft to the design of new pharmaceuticals.

Human Genome Sequence Finished.

In April 2003, the International Human Genome Consortium announced the completion of the sequencing of the human genome. The DOE Joint Genome Institute produced nearly 12% of the sequence, human chromosomes 5, 16, and 19, which includes the most gene-rich human chromosome (number 19). Deciphering our genomic “text” will be a major focus of future biology, relying in part on extensive comparisons with related sequences such as the frog, Fugu fish, and sea squirt all sequenced by the JGI.

Dark Energy Confirmed.

Confirming earlier spectacular discoveries, many independent measurements, including the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, now show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating due to “Dark Energy,” which makes up 73 percent of the energy density of the universe. The proposed SuperNova Acceleration Probe (SNAP) is one option for a space-based Joint Dark Energy Mission (JDEM) with NASA, designed to measure the expansion history of the universe and uncover the nature of dark energy. The overwhelming evidence for the mysterious Dark Energy was chosen the 2003 “Breakthrough of the Year” by the editors of Science.

Center for Nanophase Materials Sciences Groundbreaking.

On July 18, 2003, Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham broke ground on the Center for Nanophase Materials Sciences (CNMS) at the Oak Ridge National Lab, a $65 million dollar research and development facility dedicated to the study of nanoscale research. The Secretary stated, “It represents a beginning of a revolution in science, opening up a broad array of innovation in materials science, biology, medicine, technologies for environmental research and national security.” The CNMS will be the first of five Energy Department Nanoscale Science Research Centers, a national user facility serving up to 300 scientists annually from universities, industries, and federal laboratories. The Oak Ridge facility will be built adjacent to the department’s Spallation Neutron Source, thus providing researchers ready access to the world’s most powerful neutron source for sample structure and dynamics at the nanoscale level.

Progress in Restoring Sight to the Blind.

The collaborative project between five DOE National Laboratories, the Doheny Eye Institute, University of California at Santa Cruz, North Carolina State, and Second Sight Corporation to develop an artificial retina achieved a number of notable technical successes. A new material, rubberized silicon, was micro machined and performed well in pre-clinical testing and will be used to support the multielectrode array essential to advance to the next step in helping the blind see. A novel technology using finely powdered diamond crystals was developed to hermetically seal the device to protect it in the eye for the lifetime of the patient. The technology that is being developed in the artificial retina project may be applied not only to the treatment of blindness but in the general field of neural prostheses. It may be adapted to help persons with spinal cord injuries, Parkinson's disease, deafness, and almost any other neurological disorders.

Stitching Together A Genome and Learning to Use Microbes to Solve National Needs.

The genome of a harmless, approximately 6,000 base pair bacterial virus, a bacteria phage, has been successfully stitched together from commercially available starting materials in just a few days. This is a first important step in a journey that will enable us to develop microbes that can be used to address vital Energy Department missions in clean energy production, carbon sequestration, and environmental clean-up.

The Nature of Nuclear Matter.

Experiments reveal three exciting new aspects of the nature of nuclear matter:

<LI class=text>In 2003, scientists at Thomas Jefferson National Laboratory Facility in Newport News, Virginia, as well as at other foreign facilities, found evidence of a previously unobserved five-quark particle, named a pentaquark. Only two and three quark particles have previously been observed. <LI class=text>Results from the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collder at Brookhaven National Laboratory showed that central gold-gold collisions produce samples of hot, dense, nuclear matter quite different from that of ordinary nuclear matter and revealed the first clues on the predicted existence of a primordial form of matter called the Quark Gluon Plasma (QGP).
Data from the Kamioka Liquid Scintillator Anti-Neutrino Detector (KamLAND) in Japan, together with other solar neutrino detectors (Sudbury Neutrino Observatory and Kamiokande), provide further evidence that neutrinos oscillate from one type to another and that they possess mass. SNO measured the total neutrino flux from the sun unambiguously for the first time, not just the electron-type neutrinos, and confirmed the original predictions of the solar model developed principally by John Bahcall. (Bahcall was a co-winner of the Presidential Enrico Fermi Award in 2003.)
SPEAR3 Completed Within its Budget and Ahead of Schedule:

The Stanford Positron-Electron Asymmetric Ring (SPEAR3) Upgrade is a Major Item of Equipment project funded by the National Institutes of Health and the Office of Basic Energy Sciences – each providing $29M. The project started in 1999 and was completed three months ahead of schedule, and within its $58M budget. The SPEAR3 Upgrade project replaced the existing SPEAR2 storage ring with a new lattice system that will increase the brightness of the source of synchrotron radiation 40 times for experiments at the Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory (SSRL) at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. These extremely bright x-rays can be used to investigate various forms of matter ranging from objects of atomic and molecular size to man-made materials with unusual properties. The obtained information and knowledge is of great value to society, with impact in areas such as the environment, future technologies, health, and national security. The expeditious manner in which this project was carried out will result in an interruption of the user program at SSRL of only 12 months, also a significant achievement.

DOE Undergraduate Research Internships.

In Fiscal Year 2003, theDOE’s Office of Science of Science placed more than 500 students at its National Laboratories with scientists in three undergraduate research internship programs. All of the students are required to complete an abstract and research paper of their research project for publication in the Journal of Undergraduate Research.

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Yeah, this is just 2003, but you get the idea that there are scientific innovations that DO INDEED benefit humanity. Just what a government would do with the bio-technology....bothers me. Why would they, besides funding, keep portions secret or develop techologies that involve controlling people? It is we , the taxpayers, who should benefit from the science as well as the people of the world. Nationalising science in general seems evil at this point in planetary development. I can understand the funding of it through taxpayers, but the ownership aspect bothers many. </FONT>

Boomer Chick

01-14-2006, 09:10 AM

The Climate Change Research Division includes process research and modeling efforts to (1) improve understanding of factors affecting the Earth's radiant-energy balance; (2) predict accurately any global and regional climate change induced by increasing atmospheric concentrations of aerosols and greenhouse gases; (3) quantify sources and sinks of energy-related greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide; and (4) improve the scientific basis for assessing both the potential consequences of climatic changes, including the potential ecological, social, and economic implications of human-induced climatic changes caused by increases in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the benefits and costs of alternative response options.
Research is focused on understanding the basic chemical, physical, and biological processes of the Earth's atmosphere, land, and oceans and how these processes may be affected by energy production and use, primarily the emission of carbon dioxide from fossil fuel combustion. A major part of the research is designed to provide the data that will enable an objective assessment of the potential for, and consequences of, global warming. The program is comprehensive with an emphasis on the radiation balance from the surface of the Earth to the top of the atmosphere, including the role of clouds and on improving quantitative models necessary to predict possible climate change at the global and regional levels. The Environmental Processes subprogram is DOE's contribution to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (http://www.climatescience.gov/), a program that integrates federal research on global change and climate change.

Jerry Elwood, Division Director
SC-23.3/Germantown Building
1000 Independence Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20585-1290

http://www.sc.doe.gov/ober/CCRD_top.html

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I find these programs and the related NASA and other programs to be comforting. Better to have these scientists studying and measuring than to have nothing going on or rely on private funding.

http://www.climatescience.gov/

If anyone claims that scientists themselves sit around and avoid their work, lie about in their cushy recliners and refuse to work, get their checks and just bide time in their labs and clean rooms..... I suggest they visit their local university gov.-funded research facility and see what goes on. I imagine that with collaboration of international scientists, competition for publication and recognition of expertise, status reflected in the amount and level of publication and peer review projects, that much good and beneficial science progresses in America as well as in other countries. Not only that, in many other areas of science-- chemistry, agricultural, bio-med, alternative energies...... corporations, private funding, and private small business R & D progresses as well.

SECRECY remains for me a basic concern...........not failure. SUPPRESSION in favor of certain other techologies remains a concern as well. As we saw regarding Tesla, when a scientist is ahead of his times and not understood, the organizations of scientists in league with government interests and control do and did stifle acceptance of certain technologies and their development. Tesla's science was picked up later in time by Eastlund and others and it is his foundational precepts that stimulated the HAARP science R & D. A present example is the government's lack of funding and support of alternative energies in the large funding concept which would indeed have granted us independence from foreign oil by now. Had the serious funding started in the early 70's, our government at this point might have felt independent, assured, and more accomplished in the field of alternative energies for all needs and might not be concerned at all with overpowering ME countries.

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 09:21 AM

Top 10 DOE Office of Science Achievements in 2003
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Excellent sources of information BC, thanks, it'll take a while to absorb all that, especially since their one paramount accomplishment is voluminous PR.

I have been reading this type of literature for decades, including when Ed Teller used to "guarantee" nuclear fusion for the benefit of all mankind by the end of the 20th century,

The question remains, WHEN are they going to actually "achieve" fusion energy, fuel cells, and alternative energy sources that will eliminate the need for oil, and that ALL of Humanity can take advantage of, because we need them ASAP?

jayreynolds

01-14-2006, 12:39 PM

I have been reading this type of literature for decades, including when Ed Teller used to "guarantee" nuclear fusion for the benefit of all mankind by the end of the 20th century.

I'd like to see that in writing. Exactly when did Teller make such a guarantee?
Documentation, please.

whitemajikman

01-14-2006, 01:01 PM

The question remains, WHEN are they going to actually "achieve" fusion energy, fuel cells, and alternative energy sources that will eliminate the need for oil, and that ALL of Humanity can take advantage of, because we need them ASAP?

WHAT IF THEY ALREADY HAVE............?

And the NOTION of NATIONAL SECURITY and those whom control NATIONAL SECURITY.........HAVE DECIDED TO KEEP IT UNDER WRAPS BECAUSE OF THE CONSEQUENCES........(in effect playing GOD).

I WROTE A PAPER ON THIS VERY SUBJECT 15 YEARS AGO.........

HERE IS THE SCENARIO.......

A CURE FOR ALL DISEASE WAS FOUND.......in an AMERICAN LABORATORY........AND WOULD IT EVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY...........?

Logic dictates that this discovery would be one of the most Important and Beneficial to Mankind.......but logic is not in tune with NATIONAL SECURITY or the MILITARY/INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY........

Because Such A Discovery would put the World Into TURMOIL IN THEIR EYES.........

Because Cancer Research Alone in America is a Multi-billion Dollar Enterprise.........too find a cure would put the cancer research industry in the toilet........WORLD-WIDE..........and all of the Industries that Support Cancer Research..........WHICH WOULD LEAD TO A WORLD-WIDE ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE..........

AND WOULD ALSO CAUSE WIDE-SPREAD POPULATION PROBLEMS.........WORLD-WIDE........DUE TO LONGER LIVES DUE TO THE THREAT OF DISEASE BEING NULLIFIED.......

WHICH LEADS TO MORE PROBLEMS.......MONETARILY,SOCIALLY AND POLITICALLY........

TAKE A LOOK AT FRANCE IN THE 60's..........

Scalar -Electromagnetics was Curing Cancer and All Forms Of Disease........THIS IS A PUBLIC FACT.........THAT ANYONE CAN RESEARCH........

BUT THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT OUTLAWED IT.......AND WRAPPED IT IN A BLANKET OF SECRECY........

WHY.....?

TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC...? OR TO PROTECT THEIR ECONOMIC INTERESTS............?

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SCIENTIST'S THEMSELVES........

THE PROBLEM IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE........

OUR GOVERNMENT ,THE MILITARY AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY........AND THEIR USE OF SECRECY WHICH THEY USE TO PLAY GOD............

If All Of The Secrets that are CLASSIFIED were ever to SEE the light of day we would be shocked and upset at the technology that has been kept from us.......and why.......

and until this changes........

MANKIND IS DOOMED TO A LIFE OF IGNORANCE...........

IGNORANCE PLACED UPON US BY THE VERY GOVERNMENT THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE WORKING FOR US......NOT AGAINST US...........

AND THAT IS THE TRUE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.........

BC MADE A GOOD POST HIGHLIGHTING 10 SCIENTIFIC-PROGRESSIONS WHY WE SHOULD BE EXCITED AND HOPEFUL FOR OUR FUTURE..........

AND I DO SEE WHY SHE IS HOPEFUL.......

BUT THE PROBLEMS WE FACE ARE NOT ONES OF DISCOVERY..............

THE PROBLEM MANKIND NOW FACES IS HOW OUR RESPECTIVE GOVERNMENTS SUPPRESS DISCOVERY.......AND WRAP IT IN A BLANKET OF SECURITY, ALL THE WHILE RANTING HOW MANKIND IS NOT READY FOR THESE DISCOVERIES...........AND IN EFFECT PLAYING GOD.........BUT NOT WITH YOUR NEEDS IN MIND........BUT THOSE OF NATIONAL SECURITY...........

WMM

foot_soldier

01-14-2006, 01:10 PM

whitemajikman wrote:
.....THE PROBLEM MANKIND NOW FACES IS HOW OUR RESPECTIVE GOVERNMENTS SUPPRESS DISCOVERY.......AND WRAP IT IN A BLANKET OF SECURITY, ALL THE WHILE RANTING HOW MANKIND IS NOT READY FOR THESE DISCOVERIES.....
I would like to suggest that certain beneficial-to-humanity discoveries are "suppressed" until those who stand to profit from control of their dissemination are in the optimal position to gain as much as po$$ible.

I think they're using the "national security blanket" to conceal their true agenda as they work ever-so-diligently to get their ducks in a row.

Nice (new) Signature Line, by the way.

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 02:16 PM

I'd like to see that in writing. Exactly when did Teller make such a guarantee?
Documentation, please.

He made it at my graduation ceremony from Berkeley where he taught, and directed the Livermore Lab.

whitemajikman

01-14-2006, 02:36 PM

I would like to suggest that certain beneficial-to-humanity discoveries are "suppressed" until those who stand to profit from control of their dissemination are in the optimal position to gain as much as po$$ible.

I think they're using the "national security blanket" to conceal their true agenda as they work ever-so-diligently to get their ducks in a row.

Nice (new) Signature Line, by the way.

Profit is one of those reasons.....definitely.

AS FAR AS TRUE AGENDA'S GO.......

I had the pleasure of talking to icke a few years back........

His reptilian and underground cities theory which he made popular were based on the fact that there are many huge underground cities that were being built and are still being built to this day in America and in many western countries......HIS BOOKS ARE A METAPHOR.

Cities that can hold 25,000 people and can sustain them for 20 years........

built right underneath our noses.......

now my question is ........WHAT ARE THEIR PURPOSE AND WHY DID CONSTRUCTION BEGIN IN THE LATE SEVENTIES..........

WHAT IS PLANNED.......OR WHAT IS THE THREAT .......THAT THEY PERCEIVE ........TO SPEND TRILLIONS ON THESE CITIES........

IS ICKE TELLING THE TRUTH..........?

I DON'T KNOW........

BUT I DO KNOW THAT BILL COOPER SAID THE SAME THINGS TO ME.......IN OUR MANY CONVERSATIONS........

A FEW YEARS BEFORE HE DIED...........

AND THAT BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ONLY WANTED AND WANT ONE THING.......

FOR PEOPLE TO WAKE UP AND INVESTIGATE WHAT THEY WERE SAYING........BECAUSE THEY BOTH STRESSED A SENSE OF URGENCY........

I AM RAMBLING FS.....SORRY.

THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT REGARDING MY SIG.........

I THINK IT FITS ME WELL......

AND HAS REAL TRUTH IN IT's WORDS..........

WMM

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 03:09 PM

WHAT IF THEY ALREADY HAVE............?
-----------THE PROBLEMS WE FACE ARE NOT ONES OF DISCOVERY..............
THE PROBLEM MANKIND NOW FACES IS HOW OUR RESPECTIVE GOVERNMENTS SUPPRESS DISCOVERY.......AND WRAP IT IN A BLANKET OF SECURITY, ALL THE WHILE RANTING HOW MANKIND IS NOT READY FOR THESE DISCOVERIES...........AND IN EFFECT PLAYING GOD.........BUT NOT WITH YOUR NEEDS IN MIND........BUT THOSE OF NATIONAL SECURITY...........
WMM

Sorry whitemajikman, but I am most skeptical about this allegation.

Even though I am also most skeptical about our government research, they are dealing with too many scientists that I know can't possiby keep that kind of thing secret for many reasons.

And I am also familiar with the incredible amounts of money and careers wasted accomplishing nothing at LNL, GA, ITER etc. failing to come up with an answer because they can't even tell the difference between a black hole and their asshole.

whitemajikman

01-14-2006, 03:37 PM

Sorry whitemajikman, but I am most skeptical about this allegation.

Why I am I not Surprised........

THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE.........

LIST YOUR REASONS FOR SKEPTICISM.........

AND LET ME EDUCATE YOU TO THE REALITIES.......

OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO.......

WMM

Boomer Chick

01-14-2006, 03:59 PM

WMM,

You knew Bill Cooper? And did Reynolds know Bill Cooper also? I've been receiving e-mails from other people who knew Bill Cooper as well. From my very distant perspective, Bill Cooper was also privy to extra-terrestrial information as well.

And David Icke, may or may not be communicating realities or even metaphoric realities. I've visited his site and read often, but that level of knowledge requires a lot of light and love to bring me back to feeling safe. I do it, of course, but I prefer to simmer all of that kind of information on a back burner, if you will. I've been reading books and articles on the ET's for two decades now.

If you wish to open an ET/human relationship thread, I would be honored to post.

I wish you would have recognized my position on Suppression and Secrecy, WMM because it seems we're nearly always resonating. I find that panic and all the lower level vibrations do not serve us, however, especially in light of the "facts" Icke relays about the Dracos. This is why it sometimes may seem to many of you at times that I portray myself as a kind of pollyanna..... no indeed, I know the dark realities, but I won't give them power.... I refuse. So I look first for common sense, then the "love" elements, the cooperative elements, the peaceful elements in all political agendas relating all areas of our lives...... and this is what I see as more powerful or REAL, not the fear-dominated, panic-driven perceptions. That's not to say bringing the lighter visions to reality don't require WORK, they do, they just require a great vision and striving and it seems the last of the cyclic "evils" are on their way out of this planet on the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy. And most of all they require that we do not in any way shape or form succumb to fear.

What do the PTB, WMM, know about the future? Why are they building underground? Are they? And if they are....we should ask, why? I don't know....but I would imagine if one believes Icke's rendition of the various agendas, that the Reptilians have convinced the black military ops that something will happen to the planet in the future and that for survival they must build these underground cities. But what if the Reptilians are lying? What if it's a system for THEIR survival, not ours? We are happy on the surface and unless they know something about the sun, it seems a shot in the dark for us to assume they know the future. What if there are various timelines and on only one of them is the sun going to killshot our planet? You know, I've expressed this before.......... so what about anything! We are, each one of us, powerful spiritual beings inhabiting a body temporarily and we will surely slough off our mortal coils to continue on our spiritual conscious journeys. We are immortal spiritual beings.

Daedalus

01-14-2006, 04:28 PM

Why I am I not Surprised........
THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE.........
LIST YOUR REASONS FOR SKEPTICISM.........
AND LET ME EDUCATE YOU TO THE REALITIES.......
OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO.......
WMM

Fair enough wmm, and I'm sorry to have to counterpoint you on this because of your sincerity.

But, the #1 fact of life is that university scientists can't keep this kind of a secret because their number one driving force is ego, and their number one motiviation in life is recognition for scientific achievement.

Making fusion work is the highest level of scientific accomplishment today, and these scientists will choose to stop breathing before keeping this kind of secret.

Besides, the welfare system they work under makes them scientifically impotent.

whitemajikman

01-14-2006, 07:26 PM

[QUOTE]Fair enough wmm, and I'm sorry to have to counterpoint you on this because of your sincerity.

Did it ever occur to you that my Sincerity is due to my experience.......

In a Wide variety of facets........

But, the #1 fact of life is that university scientists can't keep this kind of a secret because their number one driving force is ego, and their number one motiviation in life is recognition for scientific achievement.

NO....... THE #1 FACT IS THAT FEAR TRUMPS........EGO......AND HAS SINCE THE DAWN OF MAN.........

THERE IS NOT ONE SCIENTIST WORKING IN THE U.S. THAT IS NOT UNDER CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE BY OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.........IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY........

Your Notion that Recognition for Scientific Achievment Can't Or Will Not Allow These Scientist's TO KEEP QUIET........IS FLAWED......

and what good is Recognition when your DEAD...........

Or Worse....... Responsible for the death of Somebody in your Family...........

Also I have seen many scientist's who have had their work destroyed and their careers destroyed just by somebody making a phonecall.......

or how about being abducted and ordered to work under the security blanket in absolute secrecy..........and when you don't co-operate.......i'm sure you can fill in the blank.......

Do you have any clue how many brilliant minds go missing every year......?

Making fusion work is the highest level of scientific accomplishment today, and these scientists will choose to stop breathing before keeping this kind of secret.

YOU ARE SO IGNORANT OF THE REALITIES.......

AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS A SLIGHT........

THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES FUSION WORK, WILL RULE THE WORLD OVERNIGHT...........AND THEY WILL NOT TELL THE WORLD THAT THEY POSSESS THIS OFF THE BAT.........

NOT WITHOUT AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DECADES OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT EXPLORES THE USES OF THIS TECHNOLOGY........

AND THEY WILL RELEASE THIS TECHNOLOGY ,WHEN IT SERVES THEM........PROBABLY ONCE THE OIL IS ALMOST GONE........

AND THE WORLD WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY WITH THEIR DEMANDS.......

Besides, the welfare system they work under makes them scientifically impotent

TO AN UNTRAINED OBSERVER MAYBE.........

REMEMBER LOOKS CAN BE DECEIVING..........

AS CAN THE NOTION OF NATIONAL SECURITY..........

WMM

Daedalus

01-15-2006, 03:46 AM

-------------You know wmm, you would make a terrific SF author, did you know that Asimov got his start saying things like that at scientific meetings?

I know these people because I went to school with them, and I have worked with them.

This kind of people can NEVER be trusted to keep secrets when they make big discoveries.

Ever since Teller founded the Livermore Lab for fusion research in the 1950s there have been far too many of them over too great a period of time to keep them from glorifying themselves if they actually solved the containment problem.

The Truth is that their welfare state of mind inhibits them from accomplishing fusion containment.

halva

01-15-2006, 05:37 AM

I also am sceptical that fear of being killed, or having loved ones killed, by faceless and nameless agencies plays the primary role in information suppression. The controls that operate on most scientists must have more to do with the assumptions they have interiorised and the way that public debate plays with these assumptions.

I would add that this belief is based on MY experience, which is not dramatic and extreme, but the everyday experience of ordinary people, which happens to be what we are talking about.

I do not dismiss what WMM is saying, and I am prepared to be convinced if he can convince me. But I do NOT accept it as a badge of status that one lives in, or has been exposed to, situations that are really merely stigmatizing, marginalizing and disadvantaging. WMM has emerged, or is trying to emerge, from a milieu dominated by Reynolds, i.e. a milieu of deprivation, degradation and hate. A milieu of far lower quality in every way than the humdrum possibly somewhat stupid everyday reality of, say, a Greenpeace activist.

Go ahead WMM, document your assertions. I am paying attention, respectfully, as are others.

But I am not prepared to grant you prestige merely on the strength of postures of bravado or any other species of fakery.

Am I deluded in thinking that the run-of-the-mill scientist is NOT held in check by anything worse than the fear of losing face socially and professionally or at worst losing his job?

halva

01-15-2006, 05:45 AM

THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES FUSION WORK, WILL RULE THE WORLD OVERNIGHT...........AND THEY WILL NOT TELL THE WORLD THAT THEY POSSESS THIS OFF THE BAT........

This is an example of the messianic WMM posturing that I do not respect.

whitemajikman

01-15-2006, 11:41 AM

You know wmm, you would make a terrific SF author, did you know that Asimov got his start saying things like that at scientific meetings?

What I am Discussing is NOT Science Fiction.......... but fact .......and the fact is Scientist's are Expendable in the eyes of the Intelligence Community.......and always have been.

I know these people because I went to school with them, and I have worked with them.

Which Means Nothing.........

Do you really think you truly Know Somebody just because you went to to school with them.........and worked with them..........?

come on now.........at least be intellectually honest in the fact that you do not know all facets of their private lives.........

This kind of people can NEVER be trusted to keep secrets when they make big discoveries.

And thats Why Scientist's go Missing........SOMETIMES.......and end up dead..........

BUT THE MAJORITY DO KEEP QUIET.........

Ever since Teller founded the Livermore Lab for fusion research in the 1950s there have been far too many of them over too great a period of time to keep them from glorifying themselves if they actually solved the containment problem.

They All Signed on the Dotted Line.........

And once they do The Government Owns Their Asses............AND THEIR WORK.

That's The Reality.........

One Can Only Glorify Ones Self if it is LAWFUL to do so........because otherwise you become an "enemy of the state"...........A TRAITOR IN THE EYES OF YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.............

And There is Not A Scientist Working Today That Is Not Aware Of This Fact...........

OR AWARE OF JUST HOW FAR THE LONG ARMS OF THE GOVERNMENT ARE WILLING TO GO TO MAINTAIN SECRECY............

The Truth is that their welfare state of mind inhibits them from accomplishing fusion containment

NO.....BEING FED FALSE INFORMATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT........

TELLER KNEW.........

BUT WHAT COULD TELLER DO........?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.........

2 controls.........one official........and one unofficial............

Livermore Lab.......is the official Control..............for the Publics Consumption........and SCRUTINY.........

Would You Like To Know Where Control #2 Is............?

And It's Not Even With-in The Continental United States.........

It's In ISRAEL.......

WMM

whitemajikman

01-15-2006, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=halva]I also am sceptical that fear of being killed, or having loved ones killed, by faceless and nameless agencies plays the primary role in information suppression. The controls that operate on most scientists must have more to do with the assumptions they have interiorised and the way that public debate plays with these assumptions.

Wayne.....give it up......

If YOUR Son were to be Abducted.....you would do almost anything to get him back......and once you agreed and got him back.....you would do anything to make sure he gets to live a along and healthy life........ INCLUDING MAINTAINING ABSOLUTE SECRECY............AND IF YOU CHOSE NOT TO CO-OPERATE.........You Would Psychologically not be able to be trusted .......and would be a victim of an accident which you would not live through..........because you are then a liability to the notion of plausible deniability which in-itself maintains secrecy.........

I would add that this belief is based on MY experience, which is not dramatic and extreme, but the everyday experience of ordinary people, which happens to be what we are talking about.

fair enough......

but again you are not working on a Project that the Intelligence Community thinks of as prized..........

I do not dismiss what WMM is saying, and I am prepared to be convinced if he can convince me. But I do NOT accept it as a badge of status that one lives in, or has been exposed to, situations that are really merely stigmatizing, marginalizing and disadvantaging. WMM has emerged, or is trying to emerge, from a milieu dominated by Reynolds, i.e. a milieu of deprivation, degradation and hate. A milieu of far lower quality in every way than the humdrum possibly somewhat stupid everyday reality of, say, a Greenpeace activist.

Your Reflection of how Jay Reynolds Some how controlled Me.......Is BUNK.

Go ahead WMM, document your assertions. I am paying attention, respectfully, as are others.

MANY OTHERS............ Wayne.......

who make Reynolds look like a pussy by comparison.........

But I am not prepared to grant you prestige merely on the strength of postures of bravado or any other species of fakery.

What Fakery? What Bravado?

be specific.......

Am I deluded in thinking that the run-of-the-mill scientist is NOT held in check by anything worse than the fear of losing face socially and professionally or at worst losing his job?

those are always FEARS.......of a Scientist......

FEAR KEEPS SECRECY......

PERIOD......

AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING SCIENTIST'S COME IN ALL DIFFERENT PSYCHE's...........and RESPOND TO DIFFERENT FEARS.......

BUT FEAR IS THE DECIDING FACTOR..............

WMM

whitemajikman

01-15-2006, 02:18 PM

This is an example of the messianic WMM posturing that I do not respect.

TRUTH WAYNE.......?

jayreynolds

01-15-2006, 05:04 PM

TRUTH WAYNE.......?
here's a little truth about Whitey.
He's just another run-of the-mill troll that makes up whatever to get some attention.
One day he's a government secret agent, the next he's a retail manager, one minute he's an orthodox jew, the next he's raving like a racist. One week he's spouting off lies about Wayne Hall, the next he's spouting off lies about me. He's had a few 'runs' on many boards, but in the end it's all the same, he's so all-over-the-top that he is eventually not taken seriously by anyone on any side.

here's some samples:

WELL .....I will save you from making an ass of yourself......Im an ex CIA,OSS .....shadow government Agent .....Specializing in Dis-information ....I am one of 15,000 Echelon Tech's world-wide.....and we know everything about you.....I take my vacations on Planet x where the Annunaki make a very potent sour-mash......and they can be real slave-driver's if left to their own devices......My sub-warp vehicle is an older model that is still powered by a single drop of mercury which used to make me very nervous because of its cancer causing properties but the greys assure me that all is well due to the fact I am on a diffrent plane of existence......

I had the pleasure of having coffee with Alex Jones the last time he visited X ......and with all the problems in the world ,all he could talk about, was KOOL-AID and warm tropical third world countries......Jeff Rense on the other Hand is actually quite quiet when he isnt sedated,and is always talking about his fixation regarding orwell and the "war of the worlds" broadcast which he has been trying to re-create for quite awhile now and has had little success.

well as you have guessed ......the above statements have no basis in reality...................JUST LIKE CHEMTRAILS.

P.S. If you do not possess the knowledge or skills to investigate who I am or who other people that dont buy into the chemtrail hoax are......tough shit.........I remain Anonymous by choice .......end of story.

Ahhh.....
I have actually gotten to the Bottom of the Chemtrail Phenomena ........And Have gotten The Answers I sought after.

Whitemajikman
Sheeple
Posts: 28
(10/25/03 1:14 pm)
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as soon as you post yours chickiedeb.........ill be happy to post my credentials........ill give you a little hint tho.....i am a rhoades scholar.........and have several degrees......from three of the top learning institutions in the world.....i am not afraid to put my name out on too a posting board.....so as soon as you post your degrees on this board mine will follow then you can begin investigating my long and varied career as i will yours.......but i fear as always.......you will not comply with reasoning.......you will either ban me.......or you will come up with some other excuse why you cant post your credentials.........so......it begs for questioning are you willing to take me up on this offer or not?.......it all comes down to responsibility.......are you responsible enough in your judgement to finally know the truth about me.......and of course there is the other question that remains unanswered to you have the intestinal fortitude to stand by your attacks............without showing any shred of proof that you are qualified in making all the assumptions.......you have previously made..............only time will tell.........sincerely the whitemajikman........

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Sheeple
Posts: 30
(10/25/03 2:34 pm)
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msc from m.i.t.......phd from oxford......and several other associate degrees.............all before i was 25........also....your belief that chemtrails do not exist goes against the findings of the world meteorological society......which has studied the phenomena........for the last 15 years...............what you must consider is this.....if we can seed clouds........how far of a leap is it to surmise that instead of iodine.......barium sulphate is being substituted .It would seem to me that it would be very simple to do ....even at high altitudes .......but i think what has been lost on all of the debate is the question of "why"...........that i can answer......haarp on their official website.......a government website...........states that barium sulphate is indeed being used to promote the effects of haarp's experimentation.......so i conclude that the chem trails everybody is trying to debunk here do in fact exist......and are a part of the experimentation that is needed for the haarp project to succeed.........end of conspiracy.........except for one huge fact.......barium sulphate is very toxic....and causes numerous health problems..........and it is being used daily.......at concentrations far exceeding the safe limit.......what you all should be asking yourselves is who gave the government permission to use such a device without public and enviromental controls in place..........that is where the real conspiracy........starts.

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Sheeple
Posts: 31
(10/26/03 2:23)
Reply THE ENDGAME.......my favorite........
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Here is a bit of wisdom for all you non-believers.........ive only been posting here for a little over 2 weeks...........but my esteemed colleagues.....have been posting here for months.....trying to let you in on the big secret behind chemtrails.............most of my colleagues work at haarp and designed the chemical composition that makes up chemtrails......but thats another story..........what im about to do goes against my better judgement............all of you chemtrail debunkers indirectly work for me and my esteemed colleagues and im sick and tired of all the bullshit and irrational thought that has come about regarding my research ....so in light of all you naysayers.........i propose this................all of you get together and come up with a concensus of what proof you would deem fit to finally lay to rest chemtrails forever.......once you have that concensus............i will provide all proof........including manifests,names of chemical companies which knowingly supply the chemicals,research data from haarp and its chemtrail experimentation,names of all politicians both canadian and american who know whats going on,high-resolution sattelite imagery of jets releasing their chemtrails with both canadian and american insignia,the true purpose of chemtrails,security camera footage of the inner workings of haarp.......and the most important piece of the puzzle...... some of the people among you who recieve large amounts of money to keep this forum up and running........now im talking there real names,birthdates,backgrounds,whom they really work for and what exactly there main directives are.........i told you all previously that i am well known in many circles......and by the way the only kooks there are on this forum are the debunkers that spend all their time living a lie............now is the time for reality at its finest.................will you take my challenge or will you all run and hide...........thats the big question..........oh and banning me from this sight will not work........either im a free man......always have been..........there is not a security protocol that i cant crack.............it was part of my extensive education............so..........do you all have the guts or will you run...............

Whitemajikman
Illumi~Naughty
Posts: 1647
(4/24/05 4:31 pm)
Reply CHEMTRAILS AND U.V. RADIATION..........
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DURING MY WEEKEND JAUNT TO C.F.B. WAINWRIGHT......
HERE IN ALBERTA......
I BROUGHT UP A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE INCREASE IN THE CONTRAILS IN THE SKY......
TO ABOUT A DOZEN MILITARY PILOTS BASED IN WAINWRIGHT.....
MANY I HAVE KNOWN SINCE GRADE SCHOOL.....
RIGHT OFF THE BAT.....
I WAS CHASTIZED FOR CALLING THEM NORMAL CONTRAILS.......
BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING NATURAL IN REGARDS TO THOSE DREADED LINES IN THE SKY......
YOU SEE ALBERTA AND MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD ARE DIRECTLY BENEATH HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER........
OR ARE SUBJECTED TO THIN OZONE LEVEL'S........
THOSE LINES IN THE SKY .....SPREAD OUT.......AND CREATE
A FILTER....BY PRODUCING CLOUD COVER......
THEIR WORDS NOT MINE......
SO IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW INFORMATION......FROM THE ACTUAL PILOTS THEMSELVES.....
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REOPEN THE CHEMTRAIL DEBATE.......
ANY TAKERS.....?WMM

5/25/2005
you see Jay Jay.....
I am not going to post my findings........
I am going to publish them........
WMM

You See Jay Jay......
I don't need to provide PROOF......of my associations......

Jay I Will Give You Time to RETHINK your POSITION BEFORE I REALLY GET SERIOUS IN DEBUNKING YOU.
2005 is the year THE TRUTH ABOUT CHEMTRAILS(CONTRAILS) will be FOUND.

whitemajikman

01-15-2006, 06:01 PM

here's a little truth about Whitey.
He's just another run-of the-mill troll that makes up whatever to get some attention.
One day he's a government secret agent, the next he's a retail manager, one minute he's an orthodox jew, the next he's raving like a racist. One week he's spouting off lies about Wayne Hall, the next he's spouting off lies about me. He's had a few 'runs' on many boards, but in the end it's all the same, he's so all-over-the-top that he is eventually not taken seriously by anyone on any side.

here's some samples:

Thank-you.....jay

I needed the plausible deniability........

YOU DO SERVE A PURPOSE..........

NEVER FORGET THAT........

WMM

Boomer Chick

01-15-2006, 06:11 PM

jayreynolds

01-15-2006, 06:24 PM

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***

I have to agree with WMM on his theory and witness. Dr. John Mack may be the latest victim. Before that the scientist, Dr. Eugene Mallove (sp?) was beaten to death outside his mother's home in Connecticut. He had been working on cold fusion. And if you google the subject you'll find reams and reams of all kinds of scientists mysteriously dead at early ages and in good health.

People (posters) who wish to stay anonymous usually have their reasons. What should concern us is the efficacy of their theories and positions.

doctors murdered:
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foot_soldier

01-15-2006, 06:42 PM

doctors murdered:
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Nurses murdered
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Patients murdered:
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IT'S LIKE A JUNGLE OUT THERE!
Looks like Jay "Look At Me Me Me" Reynolds missed a category:

Assholes murdered
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halva

01-15-2006, 08:45 PM

Would You Like To Know Where Control #2 Is............?

And It's Not Even With-in The Continental United States.........

It's In ISRAEL.......

WMM

If this is true, the situation that results from it is not any more in the interests of Israeli citizens, whether Jewish or not, than it is of Americans. Israel has to be detached from its alliance with the United States. There may well be overwhelming public support in both countries for such a move. Israel is a European country.

America's 'nuclear guarantee' to Israel could be maintained for as long as this kind of symbolic 'security' is still believed in by the public.

halva

01-15-2006, 08:51 PM

Looks like Jay "Look At Me Me Me" Reynolds missed a category:

Assholes murdered
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=@ssholes+murdered

We can 'murder' the asshole Reynolds just by all of us ignore-listing him.

Until we do this we will be in reactive mode. Stupidly so.

To gain attention by continual provocation is the strategy of a child.

There was an old fashioned saying that children should be seen and not heard. And it doesn't matter whether or not we can see Reynolds. Take him away from his computer and he becomes a pig farmer with a business to run and a wife and family to look after.

jayreynolds

01-16-2006, 03:12 AM

We can 'murder' the asshole Reynolds just by all of us ignore-listing him.

Until we do this we will be in reactive mode. Stupidly so.

To gain attention by continual provocation is the strategy of a child.

There was an old fashioned saying that children should be seen and not heard. And it doesn't matter whether or not we can see Reynolds. Take him away from his computer and he becomes a pig farmer with a business to run and a wife and family to look after.
http://www.4to40.com/poems/index.asp?article=poems_threeblindmice

halva

01-17-2006, 05:29 AM

THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES FUSION WORK, WILL RULE THE WORLD OVERNIGHT...........AND THEY WILL NOT TELL THE WORLD THAT THEY POSSESS THIS OFF THE BAT.........

Let me reformulate my criticism of this. I think that the analytical categories you are using (e.g. the COUNTRY that makes fusion work) are not precise enough. It is not a "country" that will or will not make fusion work. It is a group of scientists working for an institution that will be situated in a country or a number of countries. Competition between 'countries' is at best a secondary factor in the geopolitics of the world today. The antagonisms that most influence our lives are not those between our own 'country' and some other or others. They are between society and 'the economy'.

Boomer Chick

01-17-2006, 02:51 PM

Something for everyone!

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halva

01-19-2006, 02:19 AM

Ex-heads of EPA blast Bush on global warming

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jayreynolds

01-19-2006, 03:45 AM

Moscow Cold Snap Kills Six Overnight; Freeze Forecast to Stay

``People should be at home drinking vodka,''

Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Six people in Moscow died from hypothermia and 26 were hospitalized overnight amid the coldest temperatures in the Russian capital in half a century.

Readings in Moscow dropped below minus 30 degrees Celsius (minus 22 Fahrenheit) this morning for a second day after a cold front blew in from western Siberia. Temperatures will probably hover at that level for the most of January, said Tatyana Poznyakov, chief forecaster at the Moscow Weather Bureau.

City Hall is keeping subway stations open around the clock to lure the homeless off the streets and health officials are urging children and people with heart and lung problems to stay indoors. OAO Mosenergo, the main producer of electricity and heat in the city, is at full capacity and cutting supplies to non-essential users. Digging and drilling work has been banned to avoid risks of rupturing pipes and severing power lines.

``People should be at home drinking vodka,'' Mikhail Ivanov, 60, an unlicensed cab driver since 1962, said in an interview today. ``It's too cold for anything else.''

The extreme temperatures will lift for two days on Sunday and then return to around minus 30, Poznyakov said by telephone. Lyubov Zhomova, a spokeswoman for the city health authority, declined to elaborate on the deaths from the cold.

Outdoor automated teller machines up and down Tverskaya Ulitsa, Russia's upscale shopping strip, were frozen.

Power demand in Moscow is at an all-time high and the federal government plans to tap its emergency reserves of gas, coal and fuel oil to help meet demand, Industry and Energy Minister Viktor Khristenko said today, Interfax news service reported. He said non- essential users such as gambling venues and outdoor advertisers should expect power cuts.

Using Reserves

The cold snap is affecting most of European Russia, with temperatures from northern St. Petersburg to southern Samara similar to those in Moscow.

The Russian State Reserve, which manages the country's emergency stores of oil, coal and fuel oil, said it started releasing fuel today, Interfax reported, citing an unidentified official from the agency. The first shipment, 60,000 tons of fuel oil, was released to St. Petersburg, Interfax said.

The Natural Resources Minister is increasing the amount of water throughput at hydroelectric stations to increase power production, the ministry said in a statement today.

As much as 3 percent of energy consumers in Moscow are experiencing cuts, RAO Unified Energy System Chief Controller Alexander Bondarenko told NTV television.

``We're operating at full capacity,'' Vasily Zakharov, a spokesman for Unified Energy unit Mosenergo, said via telephone in Moscow today. ``We even managed to find 600 megawatts of spare capacity.'' Production peaked at about 15,500 megawatts yesterday, said Tatyana Milyaeva, a spokeswoman Unified Energy.

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Temperatures are 20 degrees lower than average for January, the coldest month of the year. The coldest temperature ever recorded is Moscow is minus 42 degrees Celsius, in 1940.

Deaths from the cold since October total 115, the Interfax news agency reported today
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Boomer Chick

01-19-2006, 11:44 AM

It has already been stated and mentioned that in the general heading of "global warming" many places on the globe will experience unusual cooling. It's not just an overall warming of the planet, everywhere. It's actually a CLIMATE CHANGE that changes the global climate patterns. They call it "warming" because of the Arctic and glacial meltings as well as the warmings of certain ocean waters. Mind you, other ocean waters cool at the same time. Thanks for your contribution, Jay!

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Arnie in bid to curb global warming (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=88202006)
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Hollywood action star-turned-politician Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for urgent action to tackle global warming. Despite the ...

Can CO2-Loving Algae Reduce Global Warming? (http://www.evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?page=blogentry&authorid=12&blogid=162)
EV World - Papillion,Nebraska,USA
... emitters who joined the new Asia-Pacific Partnership, it would appear that the government's of the world have at least acknowledged that global warming is a ...

Global Warming "The Awakening" (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb333906.htm)
PR Web (press release) - Ferndale,WA,USA
How many Natural Disasters will it take to wake the World up to the encroaching situation? Are people so wrapped up in their little ...
Global warming topic of meeting (http://www.northpeel.com/br/news/story/3267433p-3783473c.html)
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I love sardines! YUM!!!

foot_soldier

01-19-2006, 03:29 PM

The researchers I've communicated with prefer the term "regional climatic instability" to the term "global warming" as the former more accurately characterizes what is in fact occurring.

jayreynolds

01-19-2006, 07:12 PM

The researchers I've communicated with prefer the term "regional climatic instability" to the term "global warming" as the former more accurately characterizes what is in fact occurring.
Bullshit.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22regional+climate+instability%22
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22regional+climate+instability%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=10&sa=N

foot_soldier

01-19-2006, 07:30 PM

For what it's worth.

What do six former Environmental Protection Agency chiefs know anyway?

January 19, 2006
6 Ex-Chiefs of E.P.A. Urge Action on Greenhouse Gases
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/19/national/19enviro.html?oref=login

WASHINGTON, Jan. 18 - Six former heads of the Environmental Protection Agency, including five who served Republican presidents, said Wednesday that the Bush administration needed to act more aggressively to limit the emission of greenhouse gases linked to climate change.

Speaking on a panel that also included the current agency chief, Stephen L. Johnson, they generally agreed that the need to address global warming was growing urgent and that the continuing debate over what percentage of the problem was caused by human activities was a waste of time.

"Why argue about things you can't prove?" said William D. Ruckelshaus, who served under President Richard M. Nixon from 1970 to 1973 and President Ronald Reagan from 1983 to 1985. "We need to fashion policies with proper incentives to reduce the amount of carbon we are putting in the atmosphere. There are all kinds of things we can do right now, and we ought to be taking those steps."

Mr. Johnson defended the agency's current policies, saying it has invested $20 billion since 2001 in research and technologies intended to cut carbon emissions through dozens of programs.

But the blunt opinions of Mr. Johnson's Republican predecessors served as a sharp reminder that since Mr. Bush took office in 2001, neither the president nor the Republican-led Congress has proposed any comprehensive plan to limit carbon emissions from vehicles, utilities and other sources, a problem that Mr. Bush's own Department of Energy predicts will grow worse.

The agency's Annual Energy Outlook for 2006, which was released last month, showed that carbon emissions from inside the United States are projected to increase by 37 percent by 2030.

While Mr. Bush has accepted the notion that the earth is warming, Congress has bogged down in debate over whether and how new air quality legislation should include a plan to deal with carbon emissions. The strongest measure approved so far was a Senate resolution passed last summer that recommended exploring how to put emission reductions in place.

But the former Republican administrators, along with one Democrat on the panel, Carol M. Browner, who served under President Bill Clinton, said administration officials and Congress had spent too much time debating.

"To sit back and push this away and deal with it sometime down the road is dishonest and self-destructive," said Russell E. Train, who led the agency under Nixon from 1973 to 1977.

William K. Reilly, the E.P.A. administrator under the first President Bush, attributed much of the inaction to an enduring skepticism from influential officials he called "outliers," who remain unconvinced that climate change is an urgent issue. As a leading skeptic in Congress, Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, convened a hearing last year with the novelist Michael Crichton, who argued that policy makers should take into account views held by scientists who believe global warming is part of a natural cycle.

Mr. Reilly said, "This is a debate we should not be having," arguing for action over debate.

Lee M. Thomas, the agency administration in the second Reagan administration, said the time had come for environmental and industry groups, the usual antagonists in environmental policy, to set aside their differences in favor of a plan like the one used to curb the effects of acid rain.

"This is the same kind of situation," Mr. Thomas said. "We've got to start on this action. We can't wait."

Ms. Browner, a strong proponent of a national policy to cut emissions, said she was encouraged to hear her Republican colleagues take aim at the administration.

"It's huge," she told reporters after the panel discussion. "It's a testament to the reality of the issue and the recognition that it's time to do something."

~*~ KEEP SHOPPING ~*~

jayreynolds

01-19-2006, 07:53 PM

So, 'footsoldier', where are all these so-called "researchers" you say are speaking about "regional climate instability"?

Isn't the truth that your people just want to blame *anything*, *whatever*, *whenever*, on putative "global warming", "climate change"?
Any drought, any hurricane, any heavy rain, any strong wind, any calm, anything?

Because you want to "cover all bets", you put yourself in a loser's position.

There is alimit to how long ordinary people can be persuaded by fearmongering, it has diminishing returns the longer you play that game. Eventually, nobody listens.

Remember?
Fable, Boy, wolf.

halva

01-19-2006, 08:32 PM

It is true that there are hidden agendas in the climate change debate, just as there were hidden agendas in the now largely defunct nuclear disarmament debate.

An example of the latter: the "independent' nuclear disarmament groups that begun to be set up in the Warsaw Pact countries just before the Gorbachev period, following the example of the "Moscow Group for Trust", were comprised to a significant extent of Jews who wanted to emigrate to Israel, the so-called 'refuseniks' who had been refused a visa.

But I personally do not believe that such hidden agendas make climate change imaginary, any more than the ulterior motives of the Moscow Group for Trust made the nuclear arms race imaginary.

Boomer Chick

01-19-2006, 08:42 PM

The researchers I've communicated with prefer the term "regional climatic instability" to the term "global warming" as the former more accurately characterizes what is in fact occurring.

Thanks for the information.

But when it comes to googling, I think "global warming" produces more hits than "regional climatic instability" don't you? At least at this time.

Hey, why don't you google your "researchers" terms and I'll google the colloquial term, OK? Might be interesting.

BTW, who are the researchers who use the term?

Thanks!

Boomer Chick

01-19-2006, 08:58 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Ex-EPA Chiefs Blame Bush in Global Warming (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5555961,00.html)
Guardian Unlimited - UK
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Asia Pacific climate pact may lead to more global warming (http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1551364.htm)
Radio Australia - Australia
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Schweitzer wants panel to take on global warming (http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2006/01/19/build/state/70-gloabl-warming-gov.inc)
Billings Gazette - MT, USA
... continued drought, Gov. Brian Schweitzer wants to form an advisory council to find ways of dealing with global warming in Montana. ...

Global Warming Agitprop (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20969)
FrontPage magazine.com - Los Angeles,CA,USA
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Do trees share blame for global warming? (http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0119/p13s01-sten.html)
Christian Science Monitor - Boston,MA,USA
... Arctic is not the only worrisome source of methane in a warming world. ... globally, living plants may contribute from 10 to 30 percent of global methane emissions ...

Depression, Wheatgate, global warming and free iPods (http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2006/01/19-1630-4290.html)
Crikey - Templestowe,Australia
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Hot lights focus on global warming (http://www.ucfnews.com/news/2006/01/19/Opinions/Hot-Lights.Focus.On.Global.Warming-1477212.shtml)
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... a new documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, that shows Gore going on a one-man, PowerPoint-toting mission to educate the world on the dangers of global warming. ...

Global Warming Could Spell Disaster for Blacks (http://www.bet.com/News/global_warming_blacks.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished&Referrer=%7B03CE5360-2620-42CB-AD7E-77E4249C5FB7%7D)
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Aussies tackle global warming (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/geted.pl5?eo20060119a1.htm)
The Japan Times - Japan
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Global warming puts humans in the hot seat (http://www.vailtrail.com/article/20060118/OPINION/60118015)
The Vail Trail - Vail,Colorado,USA
... Climate change and global warming are now well-documented and widely accepted phenomenon. The fact that human actions have contributed ...

Boomer Chick

01-22-2006, 05:09 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Wildlife conference highlights global warming threat to SC (http://www.islandpacket.com/news/state/regional/story/5477741p-4941035c.html)
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SPARTANBURG, SC (AP) - Environmentalists at a wildlife conference here warned that global warming could cause more intense hurricanes, rising sea levels and ...
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Anglicans join protest of global warming (http://anglicanjournal.com/132/02/canada09.html)
Anglican Journal - Toronto,ON,Canada
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Post class develops global warming plan (http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/longislandlife/ny-post224594072jan22,0,6459401.story?coll=ny-lilife-print)
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Asia Pacific Six Locks World in Four Degrees Global Warming (http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communique&newsid=10765)
EV World - Papillion,Nebraska,USA
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Editorial | Bush and Global Warming Stronger voices join the ... (http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/opinion/13676288.htm)
Centre Daily Times - Centre County,PA,USA
The message to the Bush administration on global warming couldn't be clearer: Do something. Since 2001, climatologists, environmentalists ...

Column: Seed catalogs and spectre of global warming (http://www.tomahjournal.com/articles/2006/01/20/opinion/03johncolumn.txt)
The Tomah Journal - Tomah,WI,USA
... There has been a lot of debate about global warming. Some suggest it doesn't exist. Even those that support the concept say though ...
Arctic barometer points to accelerated global warming (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=nau&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=106767&XSL=PressRelease)
Northern Arizona University (Press Release) - Flagstaff,Arizona,USA
... that gauge is telling scientists that things are heating up. Arctic temperatures are warming twice as fast as the global average. ...

Boomer Chick

01-24-2006, 06:53 AM

Google Alert for: global warming

Britain launches energy review in face of global warming (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-01-23T160924Z_01_L23786426_RTRUKOC_0_UK-BRITAIN-ENERGY.xml&archived=False)
Reuters.uk - UK
... Highlighting Britain's dwindling oil and gas supplies from the North Sea and the need to cut carbon emissions -- blamed for global warming -- from burning ...
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A rare consensus urges immediate action on global warming (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/13692261.htm)
Fort Wayne News Sentinel - Fort Wayne,IN,USA
... The gases, such as carbon dioxide, are key contributors to global warming. ... But the evidence for global warming goes far beyond that. ...
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Brits Ready Crops For Global Warming (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/23/1511222)
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... Unless of course the other half of climatologists are right and global warming shuts down the north atlantic current and "buried under ice" is what they get ...

EPA Heads Denounce Current Administrations Stance on Global ... (http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/epa-heads-denounce-current-adm-001705.php)
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Global warming effects in SC (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/13689716.htm)
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Forum highlights global warming (http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/012306/met_6319684.shtml)
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Researchers: Warming probably not triggering Arizona frog deaths (http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4397989&nav=HMO6HMaY)
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Boomer Chick

01-29-2006, 04:57 PM

Big weekend for Global Warming news! Apparently there were two major articles in major newspapers about it. -- the NY Times and the Washington Post.... I think.

Google Alert for: global warming

US 'tried to gag' global warming critic (http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/us-tried-to-gag-global-warming-critic/2006/01/29/1138469606831.html)
The Age - Melbourne,Victoria,Australia
... tried to stop him from speaking out after he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming. ...
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Challenges to global warming discussed at UAE-Japan symposium (http://wam.org.ae/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_JSESSIONID=f46bcbe1a9fe4fbb&pagename=WAM%2FWamLocEnews%2FW-T-LEN-FullNews&c=WamLocEnews&cid=1138369070485&p=1041248621847)
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... One of the important studies discussed on day 2 was about the challenges of Japan's petroleum industry to prevent global warming and quantification of exhaust ...

The "Global Warming" Of The United Kingdom Might Result In A ... (http://www.cavejunctionnews.com/articles/index.cfm?artoid=327249&sitecontext=34501)
CaveJunctionNews.com - OR, United States
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Bush Squashes Internal Dissent on Wiretapping and Global Warming (http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/1/29/163158/659)
Political Cortex - New York,NY,USA
... is with respect to a NASA scientist who states that Bush political appointees have tried to keep him from openly discussing the dangers of global warming. ...

Global Warming Politics: New Al Gore Book, Bush Tries to Gag NASA ... (http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/239284.htm)
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
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Earth climate is warming up fast (http://www.gameshout.com/news/012006/article2920.htm)
GameSHOUT - USA
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More on Global Warming: Some Balance (http://blog.nam.org/archives/2006/01/more_on_global.php)
Manufacturers' Blog - Washington,DC,USA
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Arkansas Times - Little Rock,AR,USA
... Times that the Bush administration is trying to silence a government science who persists in speaking publicly on scientific evidence of global warming, a fact ...

Global warming vs. Carnival lovers (http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/columnists/13731440.htm)
Pioneer Press - St. Paul,MN,USA
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Global warming debate shifts to 'tipping point' (http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/13738190.htm)
Pioneer Press - St. Paul,MN,USA
... including President Bush's chief science adviser, John Marburger III, emphasize that much uncertainty remains about when abrupt global warming might occur. ...

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Global warming may cause sea levels to rise 34 cms by 2100 (http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=271362&ssid=26&sid=ENV)
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Globe and Mail - Canada
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Boomer Chick

01-29-2006, 04:59 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES - Impact of global warming / Viruses ... (http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20060128TDY04002.htm)
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Bringing global warming home (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/peninsula/13725144.htm)
San Jose Mercury News - CA, USA
By Paul Rogers. People can't take steps to reduce global warming unless they know how much they are contributing to it. Using that ...

Al Gore campaigns at Sundance with global-warming documentary (http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=c9368592-2e87-44c1-8de5-8f765ebb059a&k=60735)
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Salem Statesman Journal - Salem,OR,USA
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Global Warming Heats Up (http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/yourpost/2006/01/global_warming_.html)
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What's Your Role In Global Warming? (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=business&id=3850197)
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foot_soldier

02-04-2006, 01:19 PM

February 4, 2006
Muffled warnings on global warming
Derrick Jackson
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/04/muffled_warnings_on_global_warming/

THE BURNING issue was the thin ice encrusted on the boulders. The rocks were half-submerged in a small stream at the foot of the White Mountains in Maine. Ribbons of water swirled around them, propelled by two days of nonstop rain.

That was the first problem. It was mid-January. In northern New England, the rain usually would have been a foot of snow. The boulders would have been smothered into giant marshmallows. This aberration was amplified by the seductive warmth in Boston. For the first time in about a quarter century of Januarys, I jogged around the Charles River on consecutive weekends in shorts. The only true blast of winter I have felt this season was with my Scouts, snowshoeing in the White Mountains to 2,700 feet.

The coup de ice came at the end of January when NASA's chief climate scientist, James Hansen, said Bush administration minions were muffling his warnings on global warming. Hansen said officials at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in recent months have canceled or rejected interview requests for him and appointed monitors for approved interviews. He reportedly was ordered last fall to remove preliminary information from the Internet that said last year might be the warmest year on record. Last week, NASA announced that 2005 was indeed the warmest on record.

''In my three decades in government, I've never seen control of communications to the public so constrained," Hansen said over the phone this week. ''Communications from government scientists have never been so constrained."

Hansen, 63, said NASA, which denies any censorship, seemed particularly petrified by a December speech he gave in San Francisco before other earth and space scientists. He said of the nation's stonewalling on climate change, ''It seems to me that special interests have been a roadblock wielding undue influence over policymakers. The special interests seek to maintain short-term profits with little regard to either the long-term impact on the planet that will be inherited by our children and grandchildren or the long-term economic well-being of our country."

Hansen said ''business as usual" will lead to a ''different planet." The temperature will rise about 5 degrees Fahrenheit over this century to a warmth not seen for 3 million years, a time when sea levels were eight stories higher than today. The human-induced melting of polar ice could bring those eight stories of water back in mere centuries, not a more natural timing of many thousands of years.

Hansen said we can beat the tipping point for runaway change if the United States leads global efforts to limit or eliminate greenhouse gases and pollutants. There is no margin for business as usual. ''We can't afford to wait another 10 years," he said.

It appears we will lose more time. In his State of the Union address, Bush said, ''America is addicted to oil," but did not mention the top first step environmentalists and scientists say the United States must take to fight global warming -- higher fuel efficiency for cars. He said he wanted to support more math and science for schoolchildren and more research in the physical sciences.

But if his minions ignore and stifle the best scientists we have today, there is no point.

In the early days of the Bush administration, Hansen's credentials earned him two invitations to address Vice President Dick Cheney's secretive, industry-packed energy task force. He spoke two years ago to US auto executives at ExxonMobil headquarters.

The White House went on to urge energy drilling at all costs. Auto execs rebuffed Hansen on fuel efficiency by saying they only give consumers what they want. ''After the meeting, I watched TV and saw all these ads, with cars on top of mountain peaks and fantastic vistas of the American West," Hansen said. ''It's like the cigarette ads that use sex to sell. All the average person does with an SUV is commute to work or the store. They're creating a market they claim the public is demanding."

Listening to Hansen, it was clear he will continue to speak out for science despite the special interests. He said the last time he checked, democracy only works when the public is well informed. ''For instance, they're using the economy as the reason not to consider taking action," Hansen said. ''I've been chastised for being a scientist saying we are damaging the economy in the long run. But you need to look at the broad problem. I think I'm free to do so and free to have my opinion."

The melting polar ice and the thin ice cap on the river boulder in Maine wait for America to listen to the right opinion. The ice cube is the new canary warning of doom. If we do not listen, it will melt in one place, and drown us in another.

***
February 2, 2006
In mild January, golfers go to New England
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-02-02-warm-january_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

NEW YORK — Let's put it this way: People played golf this winter in Maine. In shorts. Buttercups have been blooming in Montana. In Ohio, an ice-free Lake Erie allowed an early start to seasonal ferry service. And the sap started running early in Vermont.

While January plunged much of Europe and Russia into the deep freeze, it appeared to be remarkably mild across the United States. Federal scientists haven't calculated yet whether it ranks as the warmest January on record nationwide, but "it's certainly going to be right up there," said Michael Halpert, a meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate Prediction Center.

The balmy weather will soon end for much of the country, he said.

Just how warm was January?..... (continued)

whitemajikman

02-06-2006, 02:11 PM

Winds of climate change are about to make their impact felt in many a boardroom

Top science adviser sounds death knell for theory that insists growth is good

Larry Elliott, economics editor
Monday February 6, 2006
The Guardian

The old economics is dead. Its death knell was sounded last week, not by a practitioner of the dismal science but by Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser. Sir David King said concentrations of greenhouse gases were already at a level where the warning signs were flashing red: a comment that starkly illustrates the impending clash between economic orthodoxy and environmental sustainability.
Economics is a discipline in which the factors of production - capital and labour - are supposed to be harnessed to maximise production at the cheapest price. By this yardstick, an economy is doing twice as well if it is growing at 4% rather than 2% and disastrously badly if consumers are not in the shops from dawn till dusk. Globalisation is seen as the ultimate form of a market economy, according to the prevailing model, because a more efficient use of the factors of production leads to lower prices and therefore permits higher levels of consumption. In a globalised world, you're only as good as your last GDP number.

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But think about it for a minute. Concerns are frequently being raised about the fact that many developed countries are about to see - or are already seeing - a decline in their populations. This will have an impact on their trend rate of growth, which is a function of population and productivity. Stories about falling population are always couched in terms of demographic time bombs, suggesting that they are clearly a bad thing. But fewer people in Germany, Italy or Japan will mean more space, less pressure on resources and a more pleasant life.
Take another example. Globalisation has meant clothes in the UK are cheap. The inflation figures show that women's outerwear is less expensive now than it was in the late 1980s. And we're not talking about the inflation-adjusted price either; the average sterling price of a skirt or a dress is lower than it was two decades ago.

There's no longer the need to wear a top several times to get your money's worth: they can be worn once and tossed in the bin. Likewise, stores now sell jeans at below £5 a pair and market them to manual workers on the basis that if they get them filthy in the course of a week they can simply throw them away and buy anew. According to the present model of economics, this is progress, just as it is to be welcomed that flights as low as £2.50 mean stag and hen weekends in Tallinn or Prague.

But are these developments really positive? Orthodox economics says they are, because they raise the real incomes of consumers. But, according to Sir David's analysis, they are potentially very bad indeed. Currently, greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere are around 380 parts per million, compared with around 220 ppm during the last ice age. Climatologists estimate that 400ppm - of thereabouts - is the tipping point and if we push concentrations much above that the process of climate change could become irreversible.

Seduced

Sir David says climate change is a threat to our civilisation, and he's right about that. There is no cast-iron guarantee that societies - no matter how smart or technologically advanced - persist. Think of the Romans in the last days before the collapse of the empire ushered in the Dark Ages. But Sir David thinks it is unrealistic to limit concentrations to the levels that scientists say would be safe. He thinks about 550 ppm is the limit and, sadly, given the current configuration of politics - domestically and globally - he is probably right about that too.

One problem is that as individuals we lack the incentives to do the sensible thing. If you are seduced by the idea of a cut-price flight, you get 100% of the benefit but only assume a tiny fraction of the cost to the environment. Another problem is that we lack the institutional framework for coping with climate change; instead, we have national governments fearful of doing anything that would damage international competitiveness. A more damaging mindset you could not hope to find, since it sends out the clear message that action on the environment comes a long way second to policies that foster growth.

The attempt in Britain to have our cake and eat it will mean - almost inevitably - that the government goes ahead with its plan to build more nuclear power stations. The expertise of John Browne, the chief executive of BP, is interesting here, though. Browne says that building enough capacity to deliver seven gigawatts of energy could put a ceiling on emissions at around 500 ppm. That doesn't sound much, but one gigawatt is the equivalent of 700 nuclear power stations. That's a heck of a lot of nukes, and by the time we've built them rising sea levels may mean they're a few feet under water. At the very best, it will mean that the lights stay on in the UK as darkness descends in the rest of the world.

Nor will the technical solution to climate change be feasible unless governments use their power to change behaviour. That means tougher building regulations, emission controls that force car manufacturers to get serious about vehicles that don't run on petrol, a range of new economic indicators that look beyond traditional methods of assessing growth, subsidies for environmental industries. The argument that business would not be able to cope with curbs on greenhouse gases is a fallacy; the longevity of capitalism is due almost entirely to its ability to adapt to any regime. What business lacks now is a clear steer; it has the expertise.

Peet Osta, the author of The Winds of Change: Climate, Weather and the Destruction of Civilisations, puts it this way: "Once government at all levels commits to purchasing clean technologies, making efficiency improvements, and using alternative energy where possible, this massive spending would provide economies of scale that would help speed the commercialisation of new technologies as well as prepare society for the shift away from fossil fuels. Such proposals have been on the table since the early 1960s. By not taking action on greenhouse emissions, we are betting our wellbeing that climate change poses little threat. If we are wrong, we will meet our fate."

Unleashing

Governments are almost certainly wrong to believe that action on climate change means economic stagnation. On the contrary, it would probably lead to an unleashing of a new clean industrial revolution based on green technology. They are also wrong to believe that the Kyoto process - rather than a new, comprehensive global solution - is the way to cut carbon emissions in any meaningful way.

If the initiative does not come from governments, it may eventually come from business itself. In particular, the insurance industry sees itself facing ruin if climate change leads to more hurricanes on the scale of Katrina. The executives of companies in the US have what is known as directors' -and officers' - insurance, which indemnifies them against lawsuits arising from their companies' actions. But they are going to be very wary indeed about writing insurance for companies that are at risk from lawsuits arising from climate change.

Exxon Mobil looks vulnerable in this respect. It accounts for around 1% of carbon emissions globally but has lobbied long and hard against efforts to combat greenhouse gas emissions. Christopher Walker, head of the greenhouse gas risk solutions unit at Swiss Re, says his company may be forced to approach Exxon Mobil and say: "Since you don't think climate change is a problem, and you're betting your stockholders' assets on that, we're sure you won't mind if we exclude climate-related lawsuits from your D&O insurance." That sort of talk, you can be sure, tends to concentrate minds in the boardroom.

Mamma may not know best

The myth of Italian men being mamma's boys is not such a myth after all, it appears. Where five out of every 10 men in Britain aged between 18 and 30 live with their parents, in Italy eight out of 10 men in the 18-30 group are expected home for a bowl of pasta every night.

It has been assumed that Italian parents are simply being altruistic: they allow their offspring to stay at home because they are unemployed or moving from one lowly paid, insecure job to another.

Research published by the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics suggests an alternative explanation; the Italians love having their children around them so much that they are prepared to bribe them to stay at home.

The study showed that an increase of 10% in the parents' income resulted in a 10% increase in the proportion of children living at home: the authors of the study, Marco Manacorda at Queen Mary College and Enrico Moretti at the University of California, Berkeley, say Italians give money to their children in the hope that they will stick around. Many do, but it is the cohabitation - paradoxically - that leads to higher youth unemployment because the children have less incentive to make their own way in the labour market.

· Email: larry.elliott@guardian.co.uk

WMM

whitemajikman

02-06-2006, 02:14 PM

Annan urges action on climate change as he accepts environmental award in Dubai

Kofi Annan

6 February 2006 – As he accepted a top global award in Dubai for his work with the environment, Secretary-General Kofi Annan today urged world leaders to use the United Nations-backed Kyoto Protocol to move on climate change and called for governments, businesses and citizens to adopt a new mindset on energy resources.

“Now that the Kyoto Protocol has entered into force, the world has a dynamic tool for stabilizing and reducing emissions and supporting climate-friendly projects in developing counties,” said Mr. Annan, as he accepted the 2005 Global Leadership for Environment award at a gathering of environmental ministers in the United Arab Emirates today.

The Kyoto Protocol is the 1997 landmark treaty designed to curb the greenhouse gas emissions that have been determined to cause global warming. The binding pact, which entered into force last February, requires 35 industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions below 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012.

At the meeting in Dubai, Mr. Annan also urged leaders, environmental experts and business executives assembling for the two-day UN-sponsored conference to seriously participate in two parallel sets of global talks meant to intensify global action on climate change.

One set of talks involves the parties to the Kyoto Protocol and aims to set binding emission targets for industrialized countries beyond 2012. A second dialogue involves all 189 parties to the broader UN Framework Convention on Climate Change and looks at a wide range of cooperative action among developing countries.

The Secretary-General warned that the world remains “perilously wedded to oil and other fossil fuels,” and called for the use of cleaner technology. “All humankind must get the maximum benefit from every barrel, gallon or litre consumed – much as we try to do with water, where ‘more crop per drop’ is our mantra,” he said.

At the same time, Mr. Annan advocated alternative, renewable sources of energy such as solar, wind and biofuel. “The soaring demand for oil is concentrating the minds of the world as never before,” he pointed out.

He emphasized that “everyone has a role” to play in changing the current energy mindset, including governments and businesses. “And let us not forget people power: consumers; voters determined to exercise their democratic rights; legions of citizens' groups and their skill at popular mobilization,” he added.

While in Dubai, the Secretary-General also met with the Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates and Ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum.

Mr. Annan also, in remarks to reporters, expressed alarm at the attacks that have taken place following the recent publication of caricatures seen as insulting to Islam. He said he shares the anguish over those cartoons, but added that the incident “cannot justify violence, least of all attacks on innocent people” and appealed to Muslims to accept the apology that has been offered.

WMM

whitemajikman

02-06-2006, 02:16 PM

The world must get to grips with seismic economic shifts
Martin Wolf
2/7/2006

CHINA, India, trade, climate change, energy insecurity, Japan's recovery, Europe's economic and political future, Google, the information age, internet security, global imbalances and Iran's nuclear programme -- what do all these topics have in common? One answer is that they were all discussed at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos. A deeper one is that they all come under the rubric of "opportunities and threats of globalisation".
Larry Summers, president of Harvard University and former US treasury secretary, argued at Davos that the world is going through a transformation as profound as the Renaissance or the Industrial Revolution. The claim is not absurd. As Mr Summers argued, technological change and the entry of billions of Asians into the world economy are changing the world. These changes are both a consequence and a cause of the worldwide move to the market, which we call globalisation.
Communication technologies have always played a central role in human history. Consider the impact of writing, printing, the cable, the telephone, radio and television. The internet, with its promise of information available to all, may not prove as revolutionary as writing or printing. Nevertheless, a world in which the marginal cost of collecting, storing, accessing and transmitting information is falling towards zero is unprecedented. Already more than 1.0bn people have access to the internet. Perhaps more astonishing, some 1.5bn people use mobile phones. The potential for the spread of wireless access to the internet seems enormous.
The economic impact of China and now India, with a combined population of close to 2.4bn people, is already evident. China's population alone is bigger than those of Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa combined. Moreover, the giants are not alone. If one adds in the remaining population of east and south Asian developing countries, one has more than half of humanity. The overall effect of the move to the market and the declining costs of transport and communications, across the globe, is at least a four-fold increase in the number of workers available to the world economy. The potential still untapped is bigger than anything that has happened so far. Even today, China's gross domestic product per head, at purchasing power parity, is less than one-sixth of that of the US. India's is half of China's.
Consider a few of the consequences of the rise of the new global suppliers: an ongoing surge in the demand for energy and other industrial raw materials, as these countries go through the most energy-intensive stage of rapid economic development; downward pressure on wages, particularly of the unskilled, in advanced countries; and intensifying competition for producers of labour-intensive manufactures, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America. One result is that rich people and large numbers of previously destitute people became better off. But those in between fared less well.
If one adds in the impact of the new technologies, one can identify still more changes: 24-hour financial markets; the integration of production and distribution across the planet; and the enhanced tradeability, of every service whose output can be turned into bits of information.
The historic division of output into tradeable production of goods and non-tradeable production of services is growing obsolete. Large parts of the service sector -- financial services, much of entertainment and even education -- are now tradeable. Indeed, for the first time many services will be even more tradeable than goods. India, with a service sector that is relatively stronger, by international standards, than its manufacturing sector, is a beneficiary of these trends.
Yet not all the increasing opportunities for globally integrated production and exchange will be in licit activities. The new openness also facilitates international flows of illegal migrants, trafficking in people and narcotics, cross-border terrorism, piracy, corruption and many other negatives.
Beyond all this, one must consider the geopolitical effects. China is already one of the world's leading powers. A few years from now, India will have joined it. In terms of global power politics this change is at least as significant as the rise of the US, Germany, Japan and Russia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It could be viewed as a shift -- or a return to normality -- after what many in Asia view as an anomalous period of domination by Europeans and their colonial progeny. Demographic changes will support that shift. The share of the world's population that lives in the current high-income countries is forecast by the United Nations to fall from 20 per cent in 2000 to perhaps 14 per cent by 2050.
As obvious as the growing impact of all these changes are the vast challenges they create. Consider just a few of the most important.
First, business has to learn to cope with a world that is far more competitive and dynamic than any they have been used to. Policymakers must give them an environment that allows them to do so -- a point that many European governments still fail to grasp.
Second, governments of high-income countries need to tackle the changes created by globalisation, without surrendering to protectionism.
Third, governments must also find ways to manage the consequences of liberalised capital flows for exchange rates and the global balance of payments as smoothly as they can.
Fourth, those responsible for developing countries, including the donors, must find ways to help those who have been least able, hitherto, to exploit the opportunities and manage the dangers of this new world.
Fifth, policymakers must form long-term energy policies that facilitate rising consumption of energy. That has been the constant of the past two centuries. Asia's rise guarantees that this will not change.
Sixth, decision-makers must assess the significance of climate change and find ways of dealing with it, presumably through a combination of abatement and adaptation.
Last but not least, the governments of the world will need to co-operate to ensure the most fundamental global public good of peace and stability.
This is a new and, in many ways, a brave world. It is now up to us to show that we deserve to inhabit it.
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foot_soldier

02-06-2006, 03:23 PM

Re: Winds of Climate Change..."

Nice piece, WMM, thank you! I just printed it for my files.

Am currently reading this:

Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight / Thom Hartmann
http://www.thomhartmann.com/last.shtml

I highly recommend it.

Kind regards.

Boomer Chick

02-08-2006, 08:25 PM

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foot_soldier

02-09-2006, 03:23 PM

Censoring Truth

Source: Copyright 2006, New York Times
Date: February 9, 2006
http://www.climateark.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=52101

The Bush administration long ago secured a special place in history for the audacity with which it manipulates science to suit its political ends. But it set a new standard of cynicism when it allowed NASA's leading authority on global warming to be mugged by a 24-year-old presidential appointee who, quite apart from having no training on that issue, had inflated his résumé.

In early December, James Hansen, the space agency's top climate specialist, called for accelerated efforts to reduce industrial emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to global warming. After his speech, he told Andrew C. Revkin of The Times, he was threatened with "dire consequences" if he continued to call for aggressive action.

This was not the first time Dr. Hansen had been rebuked by the Bush team, which has spent the better part of five years avoiding the issue of global warming. It was merely one piece of a larger pattern of deception and denial.

The administration has sought to influence the policy debate by muzzling the people who disagree with it or — as was the case with two major reports from the Environmental Protection Agency in 2002 and 2003 — editing out inconvenient truths or censoring them entirely.

In this case, the censor was George Deutsch, a functionary in NASA's public affairs office whose chief credential appears to have been his service with President Bush's re-election campaign and inaugural committee. On his résumé, Mr. Deutsch claimed a 2003 bachelor's degree in journalism from Texas A&M, but the university, alerted by a blogger, said that was not true. Mr. Deutsch has now resigned.

The shocker was not NASA's failure to vet Mr. Deutsch's credentials, but that this young politico with no qualifications was able to impose his ideology on other agency employees. At one point, he told a Web designer to add the word "theory" after every mention of the Big Bang.

As Dr. Hansen observed, Mr. Deutsch was only a "bit player" in the administration's dishonest game of politicizing science on issues like warming, birth control, forest policy and clean air. This from a president who promised in his State of the Union address to improve American competitiveness by spending more on science.

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foot_soldier

02-11-2006, 02:26 PM

Thank you to James Hansen, climate scientist at NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, for having the guts to speak up and expose the Bush administration's continued obstruction of information regarding climate change and related environmental and epidemiological issues.

Dr. Hansen wrote the following six years ago:

January 1999
The Global Warming Debate
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/

In my view, we are not doing as well as we could in the global warming debate. For one thing, we have failed to use the opportunity to help teach the public about how science research works. On the contrary, we often appear to the public to be advocates of fixed adversarial positions. Of course, we can try to blame this on the media and politicians, with their proclivities to focus on antagonistic extremes. But that doesn't really help.

The fun in science is to explore a topic from all angles and figure out how something works. To do this well, a scientist learns to be open-minded, ignoring prejudices that might be imposed by religious, political or other tendencies (Galileo being a model of excellence). Indeed, science thrives on repeated challenge of any interpretation, and there is even special pleasure in trying to find something wrong with well-accepted theory. Such challenges eventually strengthen our understanding of the subject, but it is a never-ending process as answers raise more questions to be pursued in order to further refine our knowledge.

Skepticism thus plays an essential role in scientific research, and, far from trying to silence skeptics, science invites their contributions. So too, the global warming debate benefits from traditional scientific skepticism.

I have argued in a recent book review that some "greenhouse skeptics" subvert the scientific process, ceasing to act as objective scientists, rather presenting only one side, as if they were lawyers hired to defend a particular viewpoint. But some of the topics focused on by the skeptics are recognized as legitimate research questions, and also it is fair to say that the injection of environmental, political and religious perspectives in midstream of the science research has occurred from both sides in the global warming debate.

So, what to do? Most scientists are willing to spend part of their time communicating with the public about how science works. And they should be: after all, the financial support for most research is provided ultimately by the public. But one quickly learns that such communication is not easy, at least not for many of us.

In late 1998, I was asked to debate the well-known greenhouse skeptic Dr. Patrick Michaels of the University of Virginia. I summarize here some key points in the debate, "A Public Debate on the Science of Global Warming", held at the New York Hilton, Nov. 20, 1998, and organized by the American Association for the Rhetoric of Science and Technology. A copy of my entire contribution may be downloaded as a PDF document (Note: This document is 597 kB and requires a special viewer such as the free Adobe Reader.).

I agreed to participate in this debate with Dr. Michaels after learning that he had used (or misused) a figure of mine in testimony to the United States Congress. The figure showed the first predictions made with a 3-D climate model and time-dependent climate forcings — it was a figure from a paper that we had published in the Journal of Geophysical Research in 1988 and it had been a principal basis for testimony that I gave to the United States Senate in 1988..... (continued)

Boomer Chick

02-13-2006, 01:41 PM

Bush to NASA Climate Scientist: Play Ball on Global Warming!

by DarkSyde (http://darksyde.dailykos.com/)

Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:00:08 PM PDT

The Sunday New York Times is reporting a senior NASA Climate Scientist is claiming he was pressured by the Bush Administration to stop talking about issues surrounding global warming and greenhouse gas emissions.

[NYT Link (http://tinyurl.com/c75u5)] The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming [...] Dr. [James] Hansen said he would ignore the restrictions. "They feel their job is to be this censor of information going out to the public," he said.

And of course, the alleged administration meddlers can't possibly use official channels.

[NYT Link (http://tinyurl.com/c75u5)] [Hansen] said he was particularly incensed that the directives affecting his statements had come through informal telephone conversations and not through formal channels, leaving no significant trails of documents.

Reliable DarkSyde sources were not witness to the alleged conversation[s] between Hansen and the White House asking him (Or telling him) to back off. But those same channels have confirmed several supporting items in the NYT article. One senior climate scientist flatly said this is a disturbing pattern with the current administration and that Hanson's story was 'completely plausible':

This is part of a disturbing pattern wherein honest scientists speaking out on the issue of anthropogenic climate change and its possible impacts have been either silenced or intimidated by politicians with an apparent axe to grind. Interestingly, when the message being delivered has been a skeptical one, for example the repeated mantra of National Hurricane Center operatives that the anomalous 2005 Atlantic Hurricane season was purely due to a "natural cycle in the climate" (a claim repeatedly made by them despite the fact that this assertion is simply not supportable by the science), the administration seems to have been happy to give the green light.

Other sources close to Hansen confirmed for me that at one time during the Bush Cheney Administration, Hansen was the flavor in favor in the White House and on Capital Hill. Why? In recent years, Hansen's been making a good case that controls on methane and black carbon (soot) emissions could be some low hanging fruit, easily harvested, to reduce warming effects and buy some time for CO2 reductions to come into force. But the relationship with DC soured quickly when some politicians realized DR Hansen wasn't going along with the party line that global warming was a 'myth', that CO2 wasn't important, or that greenhouse gas emissions weren't a significant factor in climate change; including the role these substances played in the past as well as future effects predicted by climate models.

One senior government climate scientist told me that more and more over the past few years, it's not uncommon to have perfectly innocuous media requests expressly forbidden for no obvious reason. And that often those decisions did not originate from traditional public relations sources. In many of those cases, every time written confirmation was requested, the issue vanished, leaving no paper trail. "This is counterproductive, backhanded control freakery", they added.

Update: Kevin Drum has some advice on how to handle this:
[Link (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_01/008104.php)] Step 1: Get rid of the nitwit in the White House who's convinced global warming can't exist because that would be inconvenient for the Republican Party's funding base. Step 2: Replace him with someone who can read a simple chart. Step 3: Pray.Update: See fishhead's diary for another take (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/28/141652/813) and more excerpts from the NYT piece.

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Boomer Chick

02-13-2006, 01:49 PM

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Current Warming Period Is Longest in 1,200 Years, Study Says
By Sara Goudarzi
National Geographic

Thursday 09 February 2006

Dawn strikes mountains rising above Saint Marys Lake in Montana's Glacier National Park. When the park was created in 1910 it had 150 glaciers. That number has since dwindled to 30 due to warming temperatures.
(Photo: Raymond Gehman / National Geographic) It's not normal, a new study says of the current global warming period.

Researchers analyzed tree rings, ice cores, fossils, and other "proxy climate records" and found that the present warming phase has lasted longer and affected a broader area than any other such period in the last 1,200 years.

The two English researchers behind the study reached their conclusion after studying proxy records from 14 sites around the globe. Each of these records shows how its local environment changed over time.

The researchers set out to identify extended periods of warming and cooling that occurred during the past several centuries and affected different regions of the planet at roughly the same time.

The study, conducted by Timothy Osborn and Keith Briffa from the University of East Anglia in England, will be reported in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science.

Looking to the Past

The use of proxy climate records is an established method for studying historical climate change.

These records provide clues to growing conditions, the chemical composition of surrounding material during a particular season, and other factors. This information can then be checked against known temperature changes in that region.

For example, the width of tree rings is a measure of how well a tree grew in a particular year. A tree ring also indicates approximately how warm the summer was while the ring was being formed.

"The field has come a long way, growing increasingly more rigorous in recent decades," said Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at the Pennsylvania State University in the town of University Park.

"There is enough information now to draw reasonably robust conclusions."

First the scientists had to make sure that the tree rings, ice cores, and other natural clues accurately reflected their time periods' temperatures.

To do so, the researchers compared 20th-century proxy climate records from 14 locations with thermometer-based measurements from those same areas - a comparison that isn't possible for proxy records from past centuries, for which thermometer records are scarce or nonexistent.

Once it was clear that the proxy records matched the thermometer records, the researchers assumed that the earlier portions of the records were in fact accurate.

The team limited its study to the Northern Hemisphere during the last 1,200 years, for which there are relatively rich proxy climate data.

"We found that between [A.D.] 890 and 1170, there was statistically significant widespread warmth corresponding approximately to the so-called Medieval Warm Period," Osborn said.

However, the most widespread warmth was found not in the Middle Ages but during the 20th century.

Heating Up

Proxy records indicate warm conditions in the mid- and late 20th century. But the thermometer measurements clearly show that the expanding area of warmer-than-normal conditions continued through to the present day.

By now almost the entire Northern Hemisphere is warmer than normal, Osborn said.

Other studies have shown similar results, but they typically focused on average temperatures of vast regions. Average temperatures can become skewed if a few spots in a large region are very hot.

Osborn and Briffa's study, by contrast, didn't rely on average temperatures. It looked at temperature readings from many locations throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

"The 20th century stands out as the only period in the past 1,200 years when the records all indicate warmth at the same time," Osborn said.

Such studies have been conducted in the past. But because this approach is independent from the others, the study's findings add weight to those previous findings, says Mann, the Penn State scientist. "This latest paper might be the nail in the coffin for the small minority of very vocal climate change denialists who continue to challenge the conclusion that the recent warming of the Earth's surface is out of the ordinary," Mann said.

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02-14-2006, 09:38 PM

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Boomer Chick

02-15-2006, 03:28 PM

Warmer Al Gore Finds a New Stump
By Tina Daunt
The Los Angeles Times

Wednesday 18 January 2006
Former vice president asserts his global warming warnings in a documentary.

Al Gore, leading man?

To borrow a cliché from the Hollywood marketing playbook, the new global warming documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" stars the former vice president as you've never seen him before.

Al Gore wheeling his own suitcase through airports, taking off his shoes and emptying his pockets at security. Al Gore firing up crowds with his one-man PowerPoint presentation show on arctic melt rates, devastating heat waves and dangerous changes in ocean currents.

Al Gore cracking jokes, reflecting candidly on his own foibles.

The failed presidential candidate doesn't immediately come to mind as the kind of charismatic star Hollywood might turn to to dramatize a pet cause. But his quest caught the attention of a group of filmmakers - among them "Pulp Fiction" producer Lawrence Bender - who have translated it to the screen in a documentary slated to premiere Tuesday at the Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah.

Although the 90-minute documentary might not sell out the multiplexes, the screening has sold out at Sundance and Gore's appearances around the country are drawing throngs. Last week at Vanderbilt University in Gore's hometown of Nashville, 1,100 people filled a large auditorium, with 300 turned away by fire marshals.

Gore was loose and funny. "I used to be the next president of the United States," he told the audience, drawing a roar of laughter.

"I don't find that to be very funny," he deadpanned. "I'm a recovering politician."

Afterward he was mobbed, like a rock star.

In short, Gore has seemingly lost the stiffness that was the hallmark of his vice presidency and White House run as he traipses from campus to campus and country to country spreading a serious message: Unless we stop our polluting ways, we're doomed.

The film coincides with Hollywood's renewed interest in Gore as a possible presidential candidate in 2008, as well as a changing cinematic landscape in which documentaries from all sides of the political spectrum are finding audiences and affecting the political conversation.

He's also assuming a rising profile as a media player. In August, he launched a cable and satellite news channel, Current, aimed at young adults. The network also provides a venue for aspiring documentarians to screen their short films. Earlier this month, Gore invited Sean Penn and Sundance Institute founder Robert Redford to advise fledgling filmmakers on journalistic techniques and storytelling.

And on Monday, he made national news by charging in an impassioned speech in Washington that President Bush's record on civil liberties posed a "grave danger" to America's constitutional freedoms. He urged the appointment of a special counsel to investigate Bush's authorization of domestic surveillance without warrants.

But not everyone is sold on the reinvented Al Gore.

After his speech attacking Bush, the Republican National Committee issued a statement accusing Gore of having an "incessant need to insert himself in the headline of the day."

Some also question whether his increased profile in recent months is a move toward another presidential bid. Gore has steadfastly said that he does not want to run again. And fiery political speeches aside, raising awareness about global warming is where he says he wants to invest his political capital.

"He continues to find ways to make an impact on the issues and causes that he cares about," said Mike Feldman, a Washington, D.C.-based communications consultant who served as traveling chief of staff when Gore was vice president. "Being out of office hasn't preventing him from doing that."

As for appearing more personable in the documentary, Feldman said: "The world of politics can really distort a person's public persona. And that is especially true in a presidential campaign. There are real limitations to how much anyone can convey through the prism of the press. Perhaps one of the things that the film will accomplish is to give people a more unfiltered glimpse of this man, and through him, some insight into a very important issue."

Global warming has been a passion of Gore's since he was a student a Harvard University, where one of his professors warned in the 1970s that carbon dioxide would have a devastating effect on the Earth's environment.

"This is an issue like no other," he told the students at Vanderbilt.

After losing the presidential election six years ago, Gore pulled together a nonpartisan slide show on the effects of global warming and took it on the road, making hundreds of appearances since then at universities and colleges, and for lawmakers, environmentalists and anyone else who will listen.

Early last year, longtime environmentalist Laurie David, wife of "Seinfeld" co-creator Larry David, saw the presentation and was impressed. She asked Gore to hold forums in Los Angeles and New York. She invited like-minded activists, including Bender. Bender and Laurie David said they were so moved by the message that they agreed to make a movie based on Gore's work.

"I said to Laurie, 'This has to be done on a mass scale, it's too important,' " Bender said. "I thought it could be an amazing feature film."

They quickly pulled together a team of filmmakers, including director Davis Guggenheim (with many television credits, including episodes of "NYPD Blue"), advertising guru Scott Burns (the creative force behind the "Got Milk?" commercials) and Lesley Chilcott (a line producer known for keeping projects on track).

They met Gore at the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco in May to pitch the idea for a documentary.

"We were really nervous," Bender said. Burns said that if Gore rejected their request, he planned to argue that a film could help reach more people: "Either make a movie or do the presentation 450-million times."

It didn't take much convincing.

Gore agreed enthusiastically, and filming started almost immediately. Jeff Skoll's Participant Productions, the production house behind such movies as "Syriana" and "Good Night, and Good Luck," signed on to fund the project and many involved agreed to work for free. The crew followed the former vice president to speeches he had scheduled around the world. Bender used connections he forged while producing "Kill Bill Vols. I and II" to set up forums in China.

The schedule was so grueling that Gore jokingly referred to it as "Kill Al Volume III."

By fall, they had a rough cut of the movie, which they submitted to Sundance. They found out in late November that the film was welcome to premiere at the festival. Since then, they've been working around the clock to finish it. (Two weeks ago, Melissa Etheridge agreed to write a song for the closing credits.)

Bender said they're hoping to be finished by Monday. At a small sound studio in Glendale last week, Toyota Priuses filled a small parking lot as the crew worked round the clock.

They're hoping their efforts at Sundance will secure a distributor to get the movie into theaters around the world. The filmmakers screened snippets of the film for The Times last week, showing segments in which Gore appears charming and engaging - and very much alone as he tries to signal his warning.

This was, after all, a man who traveled with an entourage. But that ended long ago - his Secret Service protection ran out six months after he left office. Also long gone are the reporters and aides who followed in his every footstep. As he pulls his bag through LAX's Tom Bradley International Terminal, the tape rolls. Later, Gore narrates, offering his bleak observations on efforts to combat global warming.

"I've been looking for meaningful signs that we're about to really change," he says, before pausing. "I don't see it right now."

Guggenheim, the director, said he believes Gore's candor in the film will surprise audiences.

"It's very, very personal and very intimate," he said. "You can't help but connect to how deeply he feels about this issue."

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Boomer Chick

02-15-2006, 04:14 PM

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02-20-2006, 02:27 PM

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03-08-2006, 11:28 AM

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Our View -- Global warming: Is it already too late? (http://www.mankatofreepress.com/editorials/local_story_066004743.html?keyword=topstory)
Mankato Free Press - Mankato,MN,USA
... warmer. They argue global warming is some sort of plot by left-wing anti-capitalist environmental wackos trying to get more funding. ...
How To Defeat Global Warming And Islamofascism At The Same Time (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/161992.php)
Jawa Report - Arlen,TX,USA
It would have been wonderful if the car had stopped and they had dragged the poor misguided youth and beaten the crap out of the SUV with his head till it was ...

Boomer Chick

03-16-2006, 08:20 PM

Google Alert for: global warming

Global Warming Not Featured in New Hurricane Study (http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=031606F)
TCS Daily - Washington,DC,USA
... features a paper linking increasing sea-surface temperatures to global increases in the most severe hurricanes, but it does NOT mention global warming as the ...

The point of no return on global warming (http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1142493141.shtml)
The Moderate Voice - USA
ABC News is reporting on the potential irreversibility of global warming: "Human-fueled global warming has reached a 'tipping point,' according to a new survey ...

More Hot Air on Global Warming (http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4417_0_2_0_C/)
Accuracy In Media - Washington,DC,USA
As the first anniversary of the global warming treaty, also known as the Kyoto Protocol, has come and gone, a steady stream of stories from the mainstream ...

Global warming reaches tipping point: Report (http://www.gg2.net/viewnews.asp?nid=3854&tid=breaking_news&catid=Breaking%20News)
GG2.net - UK
HUMAN-FUELED global warming has reached a "tipping point," according to a new survey of scientific research that found warming will continue even if greenhouse ...
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Global warming linked to cosmic rays (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=13ef7006-c549-4543-8ed8-89b8f4ca63d6&k=42927)
National Post - Canada
OTTAWA - A prominent University of Ottawa science professor says what we know about global warming is wrong -- that stars, not greenhouse gases, are heating up ...

Global warming causing stronger hurricanes (http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0316-hurricanes.html)
Mongabay.com - USA
... link between the increase in sea surface temperatures and hurricane intensity, which has been a key issue in the debate about whether global warming is causing ...
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Global warming reaches 'tipping point' (http://english.people.com.cn/200603/17/eng20060317_251400.html)
People's Daily Online - Beijing,China
WASHINGTON: Human-fuelled global warming has reached a "tipping point," according to a new survey of scientific research that found warming would continue even ...

America must join global warming fight (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060316/OPINION/603160397/1032)
Asbury Park Press - Asbury Park,NJ,USA
... They now concede these estimates will have to be recalculated upward, with potentially devastating consequences associated with global warming. ...

Gaiaoo Launches Global Warming Initiative as Response to ... (http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/4283/)
Newswire Today (press release) - London,UK
NewswireToday - /newswire/ - Lifton, United Kingdom, 03/16/2006 - Gaiaoo is website for the public to discuss Global Warming issues locally and provides the ...

Doom and Gloom Tuesday, Global Warming Style (http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/3/15/13231/2259)
Political Cortex - New York,NY,USA
It appears that various environmental agencies are combining efforts to release important stories on the growing threat of Global Warming simultaneously, in an ...
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SocialFunds.com - USA
... and education organization, is making its 70th annual meeting in New Orleans carbon neutral with Carbonfund.org, as a practical step to combat global warming. ...

Boomer Chick

03-18-2006, 07:03 AM

I so admired this wrap up of the issues regarding global warming that I have to present you this link. If I c & p'd the article, the outline numbers and letters would be lost. Please read....a great overview and thought-provoking assessment of the climate change/global warming argument and scientific assessment.

http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=are_you_a_global_warming_skeptic_p art_ii&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

peace,

BC

Boomer Chick

03-18-2006, 07:06 AM

Latest satellite launch and study of clouds and weather:

http://cloudsat.atmos.colostate.edu/

Interesting files and links to study.

BC

Boomer Chick

03-18-2006, 07:36 AM

Great pdf on the research parameters of the cloudsat satellite in conjunction with CALIPSO.

http://cloudsat.atmos.colostate.edu/CloudSat_overview.pdf

Boomer Chick

03-19-2006, 10:28 AM

Google Alert for: global warming

Front lines of global warming: Student recounts Mt. Kilimanjaro ... (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/17_davidson.shtml)
UC Berkeley - Berkeley,CA,USA
... people living on the mountain," said Davidson, one of 11 UC Berkeley journalism students who traveled abroad in early January to investigate global warming. ...

Global warming fuelling hurricanes (http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/19/stories/2006031905511200.htm)
Hindu - Chennai,India
London: Global warming is increasing the frequency of the most intense hurricanes, insist scientists who have analysed data from six oceans. ...

The Global Warming Scam (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/sanandaji9.html)
Lew Rockwell - Burlingame,CA,USA
by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg. The media portrays a dramatic image of how the ice is melting in the polar regions as a consequence of global warming. ...

Global warming behind spread of diseases: Scientist (http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=282544&ssid=26&sid=ENV)
Zee News - Noida,India
Lucknow, Mar 18: Global warming due to the increased emission of greenhouse gases is one of the major factors behind the spread of several life threatening ...

Muzzling the facts on global warming (http://cjonline.com/stories/031806/opi_clark.shtml)
Topeka Capital Journal (subscription) - Topeka,KS,USA
... Hansen has spoken out about the problem of global warming since the Reagan administration and has been critical of every administration since. ...

Student journalists report on "Early Signs" of global warming (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/17_earlysigns.shtml)
UC Berkeley - Berkeley,CA,USA
BERKELEY â€“ Reports from the field by 11 student journalists at the University of California, Berkeley, that document the impacts of global warming from East ...
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Boomer Chick

03-20-2006, 10:18 AM

SCIENCE -- NASA CLIMATOLOGIST SPEAKS OUT ABOUT ADMINISTRATION'S ATTEMPTS TO SILENCE HIM: James Hansen, the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate and arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming, told CBS's 60 Minutes last night that the Bush administration is censoring what he can say to the public (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=96190203&url_num=77&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985_page3.shtml). As proof, Hansen displayed a 2004 email he received that read, "The White House [is] now reviewing all climate related press releases." Hansen believes global warming is accelerating, pointing to the melting Arctic and to Antarctica, where new data show massive loss of ice to the sea. "In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public," said Hansen. The White House disputes the science behind global warming. While Bush ignores the counsel of the world's leading scientists who warn of pending environmental disaster, he solicits the opinions of fiction author Michael Crichton (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=96190203&url_num=78&url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/03/09/michael-crichton-and-bush_n_17054.html) who tells him the science on warming is underwhelming. The White House has also relied on the advice of oil industry lobbyist Philip Cooney who, while he worked on the Council on Environmental Quality, edited government climate reports (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=96190203&url_num=79&url=http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=815499%232) to play down links between greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. Hansen explains the danger of the White House's ignorance: "If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate, what can you do about it? You can’t tie a rope around the ice sheet. You can’t build a wall around the ice sheets. It will be a situation that is out of our control."

Boomer Chick

03-23-2006, 08:06 AM

Google Alert for: global warming

Stronger Hurricanes Tied to Global Warming (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20060320/hurricanes_pla.html)
Discovery Channel - USA
... A 34-year trend of intensifying hurricanes has now been tied to warmer sea surface waters which, in turn, is being caused by global warming, say scientists. ...
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Global Warming Will Make Water Crisis Intolerable (http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2006/2006-03-22-01.asp)
Environment News Service - USA
... Forum Tuesday, Nobel Prize Winner in chemistry Mario Molina warned that climate change and inappropriate water management might intensify global warming by the ...

California businesses realizing financial threat of global warming (http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=CLIMATE-03-22-06)
Scripps Howard News Service - Washington,DC,USA
... an increasing number of top California and US industrial companies are stepping up efforts to lessen the potential financial threat posed by global warming. ...

Public service ads aim to raise awareness about global warming (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/14161947.htm)
Kansas City Star - MO,USA
... In a series of TV and radio spots that one publicist termed "edgy" - and that a global warming skeptic called "the ultimate triumph of propaganda over science ...
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Sempra ranked near bottom on global warming (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20060322-9999-1b22sempra.html)
San Diego Union Tribune - United States
Sempra Energy was ranked near the bottom yesterday in dealing with global warming by a national investor coalition, on the same day its utility companies won ...
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UN Urged to Protect Glaciers and Reefs from Global Warming (http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3131)
E/The Environmental Magazine - Norwalk,CT,USA
... summit in Paris last week to discuss the feasibility of listing five of the international agency's World Heritage Sites as endangered due to global warming. ...

Global warming could melt your portfolio (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/21/news/international/pluggedin_fortune/)
CNNMoney.com - USA
NEW YORK (FORTUNE) - Long-term investors, take heed: Global warming will have a significant impact on the financial performance of companies in your portfolio. ...
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Scenta.co.uk - London,England,UK
A new study by University of Michigan suggests that global warming cannot be ruled out as a contributor to the rise in malaria as mosquitoes thrive in warm ...
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OBPelican

03-26-2006, 03:30 AM

Here's the thread for all discussion on climate change, what causes it, and what remedies various groups and factions recommend to mitigate it.

BC, The tragedy is that "Teller et al." were only good at describing the problems, while they have failed for 50 years at LLNL and the rest of the UC National Labs to come up with energy source replacements for oil that will prevent further global impacts that are creating planetary damage that will last for far too many decades into the future.

Science in America is dead because of political control over UC National Labs that produced generations of scientists dedicated to tenured welfare instead of scientific discovery, so the escalating consequences are reported most recently in 3/24/06 SciAm article:

“Climate Model Predicts Greater Melting, Submerged Cities”
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0007FA05-10BC-1423-90BC83414B7F0000

P.S. This just in: Newest Time Magazine Issue Cover Story on Global Warming:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176980,00.html

OBPelican

03-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Whether people know it or not, we are involved in WWIII. But it’s Us Against Earth, a war that we are losing because we don’t focus first and foremost on environmental security, even though the balance of nature is already in out of control jeopardy.

Regardless of the debate about global warming, the facts are well established and constantly monitored, that the sea levels are rising along with accelerating melting of global icecaps, deserts are constantly encroaching, deforestation has already gone too far, species extinction is accelerating, safe water supplies are increasingly failing to meet the needs of growing populations, pandemic disease threats are increasing along with health threats from spreading worldwide pollution and unsanitary conditions and famine, etc., etc. etc.

But you folks have already discussed these things many times over, and the lack of discussion at this point indicates that interest in this subject has apparently run out of steam.

The point I really want to bring up is that even the “world” of science doesn’t respect the “war” because they don’t even award a Nobel Prize for Ecology, even though the time is long past due when urgent new discoveries to get control over these threats against the world became imperative.

So the ultimate reality check is that we may very well be losing WWIII because science has been focused far too much on short-term profitability and “political priorities” that don’t emphasize environmental security, for far too long a time.

Thus the State of The Planet is that We’re Screwed Because Even Scientists Don’t Care Enough to even agree upon whether we are even close to, at, or beyond the point of no return. So it is understandable that the politicians fail to respect science, because scientists don’t respect Ecology enough to even provide the ultimate recognition of importance with a Nobel Prize.

P.S.: http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm

ABC News/Time/Stanford University Poll. March 9-14, 2006."Do you think most scientists agree with one another about whether or not global warming is happening, or do you think there is a lot of disagreement among scientists on this issue?"

A Lot of Dis-agreement 64% CONCLUSION: Scientists have no credibility, and even daily newspapers don't have "Science" Section like they do for "Business".

Those facts of life make it even harder to gain political support in Washington before we go past the point of no return,
if we haven't already.

CNN QUICKVOTE SUNDAY MARCH 26, 2006 (latest count, voting still ongoing)

Are you concerned about global warming's effect on future generations?
Yes 79% 62861 votes MORAL: Next time you hug your kids, tell them you're sorry about destroying their future.