Normal Contrails: Some Sanity

[foot_soldier]

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Researchers are investigating how air travel can be adapted to ease its impact on the environment.

The investigation focuses on how aircraft can avoid creating vapour trails, also known as contrails. These spindly threads of condensation may not seem important but some persist for hours and behave in the same way as high altitude cirrus clouds, trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming.

Air travel is currently growing at between 3% and 5% per year and cargo transportation by air is increasing by 7% per year. The researchers at Imperial College London are combining predictions from climate change models with air traffic simulations to predict contrail formation and identify ways of reducing it.

The Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) is funding the work, which is a joint effort between the Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering and the Department of Physics at Imperial College London.

As the climate changes, so will the general condition of the atmosphere and the new work aims to understand how this will affect contrail formation. They have already found that aircraft could generally minimise contrail formation by flying lower in the atmosphere. Their work suggests that in the summer, when the air is warmer, restricting jets to an altitude of 31,000 feet could be beneficial. In winter, when the air cools, and contrail formation becomes more likely, the ceiling should be no more then 24,000 feet.

Day-to-day variability in atmospheric conditions was also found to have a substantial effect on the ability of simple altitude restrictions to be an effective policy. Current work is aiming to examine more complex aircraft routing strategies aimed at avoiding air masses that lead to persistent contrail formation.

At present the production of contrails and their effect on the environment is not taken into account in government assessments of the environmental impact of air travel. Team leader, Dr Robert Noland, thinks it should be. He says, 'We'd like this research to inform government policies, not just in the UK but throughout the EU and the rest of the world so that decision makers can take all the environmental issues into account and do the right thing.'

Dr Noland also believes that the work has direct relevance to aircraft manufacturers. He says, 'There is little more that aircraft designers can do to increase engine fuel efficiency at high altitude, but designing new aircraft that can be as fuel efficient flying at 20 000 feet as today's aircraft are at 35 000 feet, would help eliminate contrails.'

http://www.epsrc.ac.uk
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[Insurrectionchemistry]

The "Global Shield Project" would not be possible without the willing contributions of both the oil refinery processes and the updates in jet engine turbine designs.

Jay Reynolds is the cover up artist for both, and always acts to attempt to keep the public from discoving that there is much collaboration in changing the impact of jet plane emissions on global warming.

For Jay Reynolds there are close associations with both GE turbines and Hess Oil.

Jay Reynolds is nothing but one of the GOP crooks, who like the Bush Strauss Neo-Cons, tell big lies to the public to sustain their political gains.


Jay Reynolds is one who can't tell the truth on global warming being driven by the UV-b factor damaging the Ocean's clould shielding systems. This was the principle effect upsetting the oceans to produce the "El Nino" effects, and the same effect causing the hurricanes to become more frequent and severe.

The Global Shield Project was designed to be global and this was done by making the Project intrinsic to jet plane design and their fuel systems. And the changes carefully hidden so as not to set off the public accountabilty processes or environmentalists.


Jay Reynolds and his former little Hess Island were also home to some of the ORNL "Sea Wolf" trials for silent running stealth submarines. ORNL was the source for "Project Global Shield." There is no doubt that Jay Reynolds is the willing shill for all three, exceptionally so since he is from Big Oil's Dallas and home of the Bush GOP politics of lies.

Jay Reynolds is crime in progress---he is a GOP crook.

[jayreynolds]

Jay Reynolds is one who can't tell the truth on global warming being driven by the UV-b factor damaging the Ocean's clould shielding systems. This was the principle effect upsetting the oceans to produce the "El Nino" effects, and the same effect causing the hurricanes to become more frequent and severe.

The Global Shield Project was designed to be global and this was done by making the Project intrinsic to jet plane design and their fuel systems. And the changes carefully hidden so as not to set off the public accountabilty processes or environmentalists..

Actually, Jim Phelps is the man who claims to have invented this whole fantasy.
Jay Reynolds is the man who has continually sought confirmable documentation of Phelp's claims.
Phelps has not provided any evidence whatsoever for his claims:
-no names for the management in charge of this "Global Shield Project"
-no chemical formula for the method
-no fuel analysis for the claimed "whatnium" in the fuel

So, Phelps is simply asking us to take a "leap of faith" and become "true believers"

Is it any wonder chemmies aren't buying what he is selling?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

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The "Global Shield Project" would not be possible without the willing contributions of both the oil refinery processes and the updates in jet engine turbine designs.

Jay Reynolds is the cover up artist for both, and always acts to attempt to keep the public from discoving that there is much collaboration in changing the impact of jet plane emissions on global warming.

For Jay Reynolds there are close associations with both GE turbines and Hess Oil.

Jay Reynolds is nothing but one of the GOP crooks, who like the Bush Strauss Neo-Cons, tell big lies to the public to sustain their political gains.


Jay Reynolds is one who can't tell the truth on global warming being driven by the UV-b factor damaging the Ocean's clould shielding systems. This was the principle effect upsetting the oceans to produce the "El Nino" effects, and the same effect causing the hurricanes to become more frequent and severe.

The Global Shield Project was designed to be global and this was done by making the Project intrinsic to jet plane design and their fuel systems. And the changes carefully hidden so as not to set off the public accountabilty processes or environmentalists.


Jay Reynolds and his former little Hess Island were also home to some of the ORNL "Sea Wolf" trials for silent running stealth submarines. ORNL was the source for "Project Global Shield." There is no doubt that Jay Reynolds is the willing shill for all three, exceptionally so since he is from Big Oil's Dallas and home of the Bush GOP politics of lies.

Jay Reynolds is crime in progress---he is a GOP crook.

[foot_soldier]

IS wrote:
.....Jay Reynolds is the cover up artist for both, and always acts to attempt to keep the public from discoving that there is much collaboration in changing the impact of jet plane emissions on global warming.....
That's about the size of it. No need to get overly complicated about it. Anyone with eyes can see for themselves that our skies look very different than they did 8-10 years ago. Anyone who doesn't see that at this late date doesn't want to see it. Period.

Sorry to be so blunt.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Nothing wrong with being very direct, especially when dealing with GOP Strauss oriented crooks like Jay Reynolds.

Both JP-8 and GE-90s are the direct result of "ORNL's Global Shield Project," which is all about using chemistry to have jets make clouds to attempt to remediate what the Ozone Hole / Ocean Cloud Shielding systems have lost.

The very simple relationship is more cloud cover refects more IR and cools the surface more than less cloud cover.


Some persons can't factor in the coal emissions over industrial zones that contribute to the cloud formation chemistry, which causes areas with greater cooling. But over all the integrated effects of less clouds globally is warming over the poles, melting of the ice caps, and heating of the Southern oceans leading to more intense storms, El Nino, etc.


Jay Reynolds is the one person who most attempts to hide these factors from the public vision, and especially from the environmentalist's view.

[Boomer Chick]

Just attempting to make connections with the posted science of late. Since in Europe and the U.S. the scientists study the make up of cirrus clouds caused by contrails and their impact upon cloud formation and heat exchange and the related air traffic impacts regarding altitude and lingering formations, doesn't all this study ring a bell in anyone?

IF the hidden scientific aim as IS insists, is to affect the weather and shield from UV by way of engine and fuel customization...... then WHY would all the climatologists in Europe and here be studying so fervently the role of contrails in pollution and cloud formation? Do you think the scientists vary from one community to another? They're the SAME scientists! What? They work both sides of the climate issue? They promote lingering contrails on the one hand and invent ways to do it and on the other they measure, study, observe, and design methods to modify the cirrus formation?

IS ---- you make no sense.

No doubt a few government/military experiments have been conducted, but a world wide conspiracy of airliner jet engine contrails cloud cover just doesn't cut it and never did. Yes, this month I've noticed more contrail formation compared to all summer and early fall. Why is that? Why? Because at lower altitudes, NOW, the condensation is more common due to the lower temperatures. I don't like their lingering and I do notice it. What I have also noticed are similar jets traveling at lower altitudes in the same sky producing NO contrails! Why is that? Why, again, the altitude factor which determines the temperature which determines condensation.

Thanks for the interesting and informative articles regarding the concern in Europe for lingering contrails.

Researchers are investigating how air travel can be adapted to ease its impact on the environment.

The investigation focuses on how aircraft can avoid creating vapour trails, also known as contrails. These spindly threads of condensation may not seem important but some persist for hours and behave in the same way as high altitude cirrus clouds, trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming.

Air travel is currently growing at between 3% and 5% per year and cargo transportation by air is increasing by 7% per year. The researchers at Imperial College London are combining predictions from climate change models with air traffic simulations to predict contrail formation and identify ways of reducing it.

The Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) is funding the work, which is a joint effort between the Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering and the Department of Physics at Imperial College London.

As the climate changes, so will the general condition of the atmosphere and the new work aims to understand how this will affect contrail formation. They have already found that aircraft could generally minimise contrail formation by flying lower in the atmosphere. Their work suggests that in the summer, when the air is warmer, restricting jets to an altitude of 31,000 feet could be beneficial. In winter, when the air cools, and contrail formation becomes more likely, the ceiling should be no more then 24,000 feet.

BC

[jayreynolds]

IF the hidden scientific aim as IS insists, is to affect the weather and shield from UV by way of engine and fuel customization...... then WHY would all the climatologists in Europe and here be studying so fervently the role of contrails in pollution and cloud formation? Do you think the scientists vary from one community to another? They're the SAME scientists! What? They work both sides of the climate issue? They promote lingering contrails on the one hand and invent ways to do it and on the other they measure, study, observe, and design methods to modify the cirrus formation?

IS ---- you make no sense. BC

Bingo.
The amusing part about all this is that Wayne and Jimbo have invested sooooo
much into his fantasy, how are they ever going to get out?

More as this story unfolds..............

[Boomer Chick]

Yes, Jay, it's common sense that rules me and the evidence for contrails forming cirrus is there..... air traffic has increased over the years, and it's just how it is. If ANYONE can find empirical evidence regarding purposeful spraying from the engines or nozzles on military or domestic airliners.....hell, present it now.


Here's a bit of Euro aviation news:

Published: Sunday 22 May 2005 | Updated: Monday 7 November 2005
Langues / Sprachen: [FR (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:28-140029-16&type=LinksDossier&textlg=FR)][DE (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:31-140030-16&type=LinksDossier&textlg=DE)]

Climate change and aviation





In Short:



Growing air traffic makes an increasing contribution to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. A policy paper published by the Commission on 27 October 2005 proposes capping CO2 emissions for all airplanes departing from EU airports and allow airlines to trade their potential surplus 'pollution credits' on the EU 'carbon market' (Emissions Trading Scheme). Experts are now examining the specifics of the proposal including the prickly issue of bringing non-EU airlines into the scheme - a measure which could prove difficult to implement and which holds the potential to strain EU-US relations. A formal legislative proposal is due out in the course of 2006 with inclusion of aviation in ETS foreseen at best in 2009-2010.

News on this topic (including press links):

EU to launch second climate change programme (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-145276-16&type=News) (04 October 2005)
EU considers cap on air travel emissions (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-144904-16&type=News) (28 September 2005)
As bankruptcy looms, airlines face new regulation (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-144588-16&type=News) (21 September 2005)
French air ticket tax set to clash with EU green plans (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-143587-16&type=News) (30 August 2005)
Commission: capping emissions from air travel "feasible" (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-143142-16&type=News) (01 August 2005)


Latest & next steps:






24 October 2005: Commission launches public consultation on how to incorporate aviation in EU-Emissions trading scheme
First half 2006: expert group to submit report
A formal legislative proposal will follow. It would have to be adopted by the European Parliament and member states at the EU Council of Ministers, a process which usually takes two to three years.
Mid-2006: review of ETS kicks off. Member states send their proposed NAPs for second phase
2008: second phase of ETS starts. If adopted in time, the proposal to include aviation in ETS could take effect then. If not, the Commission says it could still bring it in at a later stage, maybe as early as 2009-2010.
2012: second phase of ETS ends
http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-139728-16&type=LinksDossier
***

BC

[halva]

Yes, Jay, it's common sense that rules me and the evidence for contrails forming cirrus is there..... air traffic has increased over the years, and it's just how it is. If ANYONE can find empirical evidence regarding purposeful spraying from the engines or nozzles on military or domestic airliners.....hell, present it now.


BC, what would you say the reason is for the IPCC not implementing what they recommend in their own studies?

[Insurrectionchemistry]

As one can see, BC and Jay Reynolds are peas in a pod. Beware of Democrats, who are not Democrats, and Who echo the words of the GOP cover-up types like Jay Reynolds.

Beware of GOP types like Jay Reynolds whose goal it is to cover up that there exist real projects that are intended to modify the weather and global warming impact from jet planes by incorperation of changes to jet fuels and engines.

The obvious changes were on the table in the middle 1980s at ORNL and slowly implemented in the early 1990s. It is typical for National Labs to lead these need for change situations.


Thus, BC's and Jay Reynolds' baloney rejects the grinder.

BC seems to stay awake at night looking for aliens on Coast to Coast Talk Radio, when even that bit on aliens was part of the scam to cover up some human experiments. Now, all we see from BC is pretty much a game where intelligence is alien to her abilties.



When one worked for the Premiere Weapons Lab in Oak Ridge, which happened to be operated by Martin-Marietta / Lockheed-Martin, one has extensive connections into not only the jet business via Lockheed--Ft. Worth, but also extensive connections into the jet fuel refinery business of Texas. National Labs do the leading edge science and make change recommendations to industry and regulators. National Labs are notoriously GOP oriented, as these Adms give them the most funding.

I happened to work for the largest of the defense contractors in the 1980s called Lockheed-Martin, which operated all of Oak Ridge in that period. They were the 4-Star Generals of the Military / Industrial Network and ran the show on jet planes, engine designs and fuel needs. L-M is Extremely powerful and well connected to Govt. and GOP politics.

The DOE "Global Shield Project" found its roots in the simple fact that National Labs are responsible for looking at the net energy effects on environment. That means environmental effects from emissions like coal emissions from electric plants, jet emissions, and even emissions from ships crossing the oceans. National Labs do the studies and warn of the problems. ORNL got into effects of energy on Oceans reporting in the 1980s and this pulled attention onto ozone hole effects and energy emissions.


I happened to be at the right place at the right time looking into the ocean effects of UV-b radiation and found the major problem for global warming that had been overlooked that was driving El Nino effects. I found the radiation effects of UV-b upset the ocean's heat shield. I also came up with varied ways to compensate for the loss of this Ocean cloud shield. "Global Shield" was the best of these ideas.


What was obvious in the middle 1980s was that jets were causing increasing problems and there were several ways to proceed. I offered several of those methods. Not only ideas for global warming and jet planes, but ideas on how the human immune system works and the weakest link via oxidative stress linked to cellular enzyme effects. Both of these discoveries are kept highly hushed by the GOP oriented National Lab systems.

Since National Labs essentially set the rules and new standards for emissions via determination studies that spot the problems, it was simple to change the goals to spawn the JP-8 fuel standard. Oak Ridge even gets lots of research money to look at just how the alumina processes really work via the hydrogen capture processes to improves these processes.

With Lockheed-Martin's extensive connections, it was just as simple to get GE and other jet engine companies to make changes that would alter the net effects of jet chemical emissions, which fit the new ORNL environmental moves that were found important in the 1980s.


New generation jets were designed to make clouds, and this intended to alter the carbon problems that added to the global warming equation. When jets were altered by new designs of fuel and engines, as set forth by ORNL's views on ways to move, Chemtrails were born, as jets emit all kinds of chemical emissions. Optimizing these chemical emissions was the new game with ORNL studies.


The "Global Shield Project" is not a public item, but one that places like Lockheed-Martin and others did not want made public as they were alterations intended to effect the global climate. They wanted both the early effects of jets in causing damage to the environment hushed up, but also the new chemistry games they were playing to intentionally alter the climate via jet emissions to remain hushed up. For them, the less the public knew the better. Environmentalists were Lockheed-Martin's jet businesses biggest enemy, which they called "Nature NAZIs."

So, as lots of scientists and others looked up into the skies these days they saw the chemtrail lines and clouds in the skies, there is much interest into what the effects do since we have a Global Warming emergency. There are many scientists who study the net effects of the Global Shield's design moves that ORNL, Lockheed-Martin, and the Govt. put into place without really telling anyone of their goals.

It is highly desirable that science persons study the net effects of these new design goals, while being totally uninformed of the original intentions of the projects. This would mean they won't be influced by politics and won't become biased by DOE sciences.


The net goal of ORNL was to change jet's chemical emission effects that were once highly dominated by carbon black effects and added to high altitude warming effects, into less harmful chemical emissions that actually slowed global warming by making white reflective clouds that reflected the IR back into space, along with some of the UV-b. The net effects helped to correct for CO-2 IR heat absorption, as well as cool the Southen Oceans some and lower the UV-b. This gets the phytoplankton processes less impacted and returns some of this natural cloud shield function process.


As one can see from the science fake it BC types, who didn't even understand that HAARP depends on plasma effects, she can't seem to associate that the jet's new chemical emission specturm correct for IR reflection and UV-b reflection. BC's limited abilties are a waste of everyone's time to even entertain. She appears to know nothing of the workings of GOP driven National Labs, their Lockheed-Martin operator, or Government, and can't make simple logical associations.


I suppose one should well expect a person missing all the correct points when they leave the radio on all night long tuned to "Coast to Coast" Talk-Radio non-sense. Usually people who don't sleep well have upsets in melatonin and serotonin, which comes from problems with the HPA axis effects. These type persons have diminished brain function, low GSH and SOD, and have high rates of free radical damage. They just don't process anything well, and intelligent logic is an alien concept for them. Which is why they listen to the non-sense on Coast to Coast radio. These are the types easily mislead.

This generally means they easily buy into the Strauss type lies of GOP Reynolds, who attempt to cover up these projects common to his GOP oil and jet companies.

No self-respecting intelligent Democrat would be caught even slighly agreeing with Jay Reynolds, as it is exactly akin to telling that G Bush was motivated by God.


All the GOP cover up types love BC, because she welcomes every goof-ball that comes her way that can accept that a housewife can do science, especially talk radio science.


BC attempts to fake it till she makes it. But she won't ever make the grade to pass for a Democrat.


Both BC and Jay Reynolds are into misleading folks.

[halva]

BC is into misleading herself owing to deep-rooted psychological, not intellectual, inadequacy.

But Dr. Siegmund F. Reynolds psychoanalyses everyone else here other than himself and his liberal helper BC.

What is so strange about climate scientists speaking with forked tongue? Certainly these geoengineering schemes would not be their preferred solution and are apparently difficult to legalize. Do I have to post Bodansky again so that this can sink in to BC's consciousness?

'Bodansky goes so far as to suggest that obtaining the various forms of consent needed for a serious geoengineering program may even be more institutionally difficult than negotiating a GHG reduction treaty, particularly as geoengineering triggers the "precautionary principle" that emerges from international law's grappling with unfamiliar technologies.' [FN188]
(Michaelson)

It is logical that they should secretly implement a scheme and then weigh in afterwards as critics of the consequences of the same scheme. It would not have been the solution of preference for any sane person.

Also Jim Phelps' explanation of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing..is plausible.

BC is not really Reynolds' partner. She is just, embarrassingly, his dupe.

And the masses are not going to have the problems she has in comprehending the overall scenario. That is already becoming evident in reactions to the material we are putting up at
http://www.spitia.gr

e.g. http://www.spitia.gr/show_article_details.asp?article_id=412&catid=1233

It is intriguing to me how Reynolds continues to want to be so visible in his present role.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

I think there are many similarities with Reynolds for BC, that they have more in common than any Dupe process.

BC's resume is this:

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" I am in my fifties, a mother of two college-educated sons, married forever, and a former public school teacher in music, art, and language arts. I am locally politically active at campaign time and an online activist of sorts. "

===

Which matches well with Jay Reynolds' online GOP Talk Radio Hush Limbad type activism, with BC getting her thoughts programmed by Coast to Coast Talk Radio.

BC has zero science background, and fakes it, but just can't make it. Which is like Jay Reynolds faking being an Engineer.


BC can't handle the material at hand, and has become Jay Reynolds' lap-dog.


One can see that BC must be the only authority, as she passes out the same type commentary as Jay Reynolds when people tell her she can't fake it:

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"I know Phelps is a nutcase...no doubt...but even nutcases hit the truth button a fraction of the time."

"Perhaps he is mentally ill? So, is the net off limits for the mentally insane? "

====


The bottom line is BC is just like Jay Reynolds in faked up claims of expertise and the same type of attack in attempts to cover up the simple fact they support misinformation and don't intend to recognize the truth.

BC is just as fake as Jay Reynolds on all accounts.

[jayreynolds]

As one can see, BC and Jay Reynolds are peas in a pod. Beware of Democrats, who are not Democrats. Who echo the words of the GOP cover up types like Jay Reynolds.

Beware of GOP types like Jay Reynolds whose goal it is to cover up there exist real projects that are intended to modify the weather and global warming impact from jet planes by incorperation of changes to jet fuels and engines.

The obvious changes were on the table in the middle 1980s at ORNL and slowly implemented in the early 1990s. It is typical for national labs to lead these need for change situations.


Thus, BC's and Jay Reynolds' baloney rejects the grinder. BC seems to stay awake at night looking for aliens on Coast to Coast Talk Radio, when even that bit on aliens was part of the scam to cover up some human experiments. Now, all we see from BC is pretty much a game where intelligence is alien to her abilties.



When one works for the Premiere Weapons Lab in Oak Ridge, which happened to be operated by Martin-Marietta / Lockheed-Martin, one has extensive connections into not only the jet business via Lockheed--Ft. Worth but also extensive connections into the jet fuel refinery business of Texas. National Labs do the leading edge science and make change recommendations to industry and regulators. National Labs are notoriously GOP oriented, as these Adms give them the most funding.

I happened to work for the largest of the defense contractors in the 1980s called Lockheed-Martin, which operated all of Oak Ridge in that period. They were the 4 star generals of the Military / Industrial network and ran the show on jet planes, engine designs and fuel needs. Extremely powerful and well connected to Govt. and GOP politics.

The DOE "Global Shield Project" found its roots in the simple fact that national labs are responsible for looking at the net energy effects on environment. That means environmental effects from emissions like coal emissions from electric plants, jet emissions, and even emissions from ships crossing the oceans. National Labs do the studies and warn of the problems.


I happened to be at the right place at the right time looking into the ocean effects of UV-b radiation and found the major problem for global warming that had been overlooked that was driving El Nino effects. I found the radiation effects of UV-b upset the ocean's heat shield. I also came up with varied ways to compensate for the loss of this Ocean cloud shield. "Global Shield" was the best of these ideas.


What was obvious in the middle 1980s was that jets were causing increasing problems and there were several ways to proceed. I offered several of those methods. Not only ideas for global warming and jet planes, but ideas on how the human immune system works and the weakest link via oxidative stress linked to cellular enzyme effects. Both of these discoveries are kept highly hushed by the GOP oriented national lab systems.

Since National Labs essentially set the rules and new standards for emissions via determination studies that spot the problems, it was simple to change the goals to spawn the JP-8 fuel standard. Oak Ridge even gets lots of research money to look at just how the alumina processes really work via the hydrogen capture processes to improves these processes.

With Lockheed-Martin's extensive connections, it was just as simple to get GE and other jet engine companies to make changes that would alter the net effects of jet emissions, which fit the new ORNL environmental moves that were found important in the 1980s.


New generation jets were designed to make clouds, and this intended to alter the carbon problems that added to the global warming equation. When jets were altered by new designs of fuel and engines, as set forth by ORNL's views on ways to move, Chemtrails were born, as jets emit all kinds of chemical emissions. Optimizing these chemical emissions was the new game with ORNL studies.


The "Global Shield Project" is not a public item, but one that places like Lockheed-Martin and others did not want made public as they were alterations intended to effect the global climate. They wanted both the early effects of jets in causing damage to the environment hushed up, but also the new chemistry games they were playing to intentionally alter the climate via jet emissions to remain hushed up. For them, the less the public knew the better. Environmentalists were Lockheed-Martin's jet businesses biggest enemy, which they called Nature NAZIs.

So, as lots of scientists and others looked up into the skies these days they saw the chemtrail lines and clouds in the skies, there is much interest into what the effects do since we have a global warming emergency. There are many scientists who study the net effects of the Global Shield's design moves that ORNL, Lockheed-Martin, and the Govt. put into place without really telling anyone of their goals.

It is highly desirable that science persons study the net effects of these new design goals, while being totally uninformed of the original intentions of the projects. This would mean they won't be influced by politics and won't become biased by DOE sciences.


The net goal of ORNL was to change jet chemical emission effects that were once highly dominated by carbon black effects and added to high altitude warming effects, into less harmful chemical emissions that actually slowed global warming by making white reflective clouds that reflected the IR back into space, along with some of the UV-b. The net effects helped to correct for CO-2 IR heat absorption, as well as cool the Southen Oceans some and lower the UV-b. This gets the phytoplankton processes less impacted and returns some of this natural cloud shield function process.


As one can see from the BC types, who didn't even understand that HAARP depends on plasma effects, she can't seem to associate that the jet's new chemical emission specturm correct for IR reflection and UV-b reflection. BC's limited abilties are a waste of everyone's time to even entertain. She appears to know nothing of the workings of GOP driven National Labs, their Martin-Marietta operator, or Government, and can't make simple logical associations.


I suppose one should well expect a person missing all the correct points when they leave the radio on all night long tuned to "Coast to Coast" Talk-Radio non-sense. Usually people who don't sleep well have upsets in melatonin and serotonin, which comes from problems with the HPA axis effects. These type persons have diminished brain function, low GSH and SOD, and have high rates of free radical damage. They just don't process anything well, and intelligent logic is an alien concept for them. Which is why they listen to the non-sense on Coast to Coast radio. These are the types easily mislead.

This generally means they easily buy into the Strauss type lies of GOP Reynolds, who attempt to cover up these projects common to his GOP oil and jet companies.

No self respecting intelligent Democrat would be caught even slighly agreeing with Jay Reynolds, as it is exactly akin to telling that G Bush was motivated by God.


All the GOP cover up types love BC, because she welcomes every goof-ball that comes her way that can accept that a housewife can do science, especially talk radio science.


BC attempts to fake it till she makes it. But she won't ever make the grade to pass for a Democrat.


Both BC and Jay Reynolds are into misleading folks.
I'm saving this one, Jimbo, before you get a chance to see what you have really said.
Ha!

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It says that Jay Reynolds is a crook basically, who has acted for nearly a decade to cover-up the fact that his GOP oil refineries and jet companies have schemed to change impacts of jet chemical emissions, which have resulted in weather and climate mitigation effects.

Jay Reynolds is the GOP's Con-Man who won't admit the GOP industries caused the Global Warming problems, for which the chemtrial methods were designed to compensate.

Jay Reynolds tells lies to cover up for GOP industry mistakes.


Crooked GOP Jay Reynolds is the person that attempts to tell the public that the only reason the polar ice is melting is because we are in a warming cycle from the Sun's emissions, when the truth lies in the fact that man has upset the global balance of the Ocean's cloud systems.


Crooked GOP Jay Reynolds also tries to tell that Chemtrails don't exist, but just looking into the skies everyone sees the lines from jet planes that were not there in the previous decade. Chemtrails are the GOP, National Lab, Lockheed-Martin approach to controlling the damages from jet chemical emissions.

And Jay Reynolds is their willing supporter for coving up both the fact that man caused global warming and the jet emission are part of the correction factors being applied.


Which makes Jay Reynolds a GOP crook, intent on covering up.

[jayreynolds]

Isn't it interesting that Jimbo has changed?
What gives, Jimbo?
Did people find this enchilada too much to swallow?

Today, I am a legend in the world of national security for going straight and recommending the criminal prosecution of the upper levels of the shadow Govt. I used to work for the "crooks" of the Oak Ridge national security system as their most prolific inventor. I was the inventor that defined God for them and explained the messages of the Revelations.

Perhaps my most valuable discovery at ORNL was finding the real issues pertaining to the Ark of the Covenant. My studies found that Moses ran to the area of "Midian" in Saudi Arabia after he killed an Egyptian. This area had a nearby volcano, which Moses came to know well with the "Burning Bush" story. The story of the "Burning Bush" is about an impending eruption and how plants could survive in such a harsh environment and was linked to the issues of the Manna food.

Moses was making a transition into monotheism in these times and he made a few mistakes in its execution. He was all for the Manna effects to feed the Jews, but against the Egyptian temple methods of golden calf style manna effects. Early religions worshipped a cow like god called "El," and thus it was cows that were associated with good health by supply of abundant sulfur compounds related to DMS and MSM. This would lead back to the multiple gods of Egypt and Rome. Moses' big problem was he presented Mother Nature or the natural order as God and confused issues too much for people to follow. This is easily seen today, but perhaps not in these times of early transitions toward monotheism. Moses mistakes have grown to huge problems today due to persons not understanding this problem and taking things literally from him.

Manna was linked to the issue of the "Golden Calf," where gold rings were cooked in a fire with the meat. This coated the meat with some gold, which had a medicinal effect to ward off the health effects from volcanic toxic release, such as the very dangerous fluoride releases. The trace gold works by complexing with the fluoride and blocks the formation of dangerous G-proteins. It is an analogue of the titanium method used for chemtrails. This was how the titanium method was discovered.

I had explained the legend of the "Purple Manna" as that for gold colloid, which takes on a purple color. The "Gold Manna" was the ultimate perfection for the manna that interfered with the formation of the destructive fluoride-metal complex, removed mercury from the body, and allowed persons to survive in these toxic environments.

I found the Holy Grail secret for the "Manna" was the beneficial trace metals and DMS that caused plants to grow like the best fertilizers ever seen. Manna was basically fertilizer using trace metals and a sulfur compound, DMS. The DOE today often takes its hazardous trace metals mining wastes and dumps them into fertilizer mills. The area where Moses fed the people with Manna was located downwind of this Mt. Sinai volcano, where these trace metals fell onto a large plain. And the famous rock that Moses split has a natural face upon it that looks a bit like Moses with an Egyptian religious headdress. During the times of the these eruptions, due to a geologic fault across the Red Sea crossing zone, the area would have been raised due to the volcanic pressures there. "

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Nothing has changed.

I still think GOP crooks like Jay Reynolds belong in Stripes for attempting to cover up the Global Warming effects and the GOP's chemtrial methods.

I also think most of the Bush GOP belongs in Stripes too for lying constantly to the public.

[jayreynolds]

Nothing has changed.
Yes, Jimbo, nothing has changed. Let the record show that Jimbo has never offered any evidence whatsoever for the following claims:

"The HAARP Project is another one and one that I also gave the name for."

"My studies on the atmosphere effects shut down the cold war."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I also solved the mystery behind the Tunguska Blast in 1908."

"My discovery that the G-protein effects of fluoride-metal complexes caused the AIDS epidemic set off a national emergency."

"I also walked on these volcanoes barefoot, just as Moses did in his time."

"It was via Jim Phelps' knowledge of these relevant issues on Global Climate change and old world warfare that the HAARP and chemtrail methods were conceived or invented."

"The invention of JP-8 jet fuel formula was also an inadvertent Icon for Jim Phelps..."

"I invented "nanoscience" and the revolution in small atom scale materials to effect global systems effects."

"Jim Phelps is the father of the nano- science revolution that started at ORNL in the mid-1980's."

"My nano-science discoveries are being used to control global warming and global health, and are the essences of global systems science. It uses the secrets of the Ark of the Covenant and the secrets of 5,000 year old Egyptian metals sciences."

"I have managed to end the production of Freon in the US due to these issues and one can see that Freon was banned by Congress just after my discoveries."

"I am the fail-safe for these problems, a kind of Egyptian Anubis watchdog for the feather balance of right vs wrong."

"Jim Phelps is the national lab person that discovered serious issues in terminal event theory of global systems, invented Star Wars weapons, forced the DOE to begin clean up of pollution damaging workers and communities, discovered the air pharmacology techniques [aka chemtrails], and forced the closure of K-25 and other DOE plants. My projects in the DOE and DOD are more classified than the H-bomb."

"Jim Phelps is the inventor of the HAARP project, the discover that the Earth's magnetic field is an MHD generator, the discover of the critical factors of fluoide's on health..."

"Jim Phelps invented systems that protect the health of animals and man on a scale that dwarfs what Moses attempted..."

"I invented the titanium technique, which essentially blocks the onset of fluorosis due to fluoride in the food and water chain."

"Today, my titanium air pharmacology invention keeps the cattle of the US from getting things like "Mad Cow" syndrome from the fallout of fluorides onto grass."

"I have the ranking most powerful weapon system design in Star Wars that literally taps the power from a Star."

"My studies also solved the basic issues on the cause of AIDS in 1985."

"I had succeeded in becoming one of the best of the nuclear scientists and discovered a weapon that was even worse than the H-bomb."

"I had become more a destroyer of worlds, as Oppenheimer quoted from the "Gita."

"In the DOE, Jim Phelps is considered one step removed from God.."

[halva]

The difference is that Jim Phelps apparently tells the truth about matters that are important to us, while you evidently lie, and for some reason continue lying long after everyone (apart from BC) knows that you are lying.

[jayreynolds]

The difference is that Jim Phelps apparently tells the truth about matters that are important to us, while you evidently lie, and for some reason continue lying long after everyone (apart from BC) knows that you are lying.

Wayne, you might wish to think the world is some Chinese food buffet where you can pick and choose whatever you find savory, and hold your nose while passing by the malodorous seething pot of crap simmering away on the table.

Careful diners would smell the offense and leave the room.

[halva]

I reject your metaphor.

[foot_soldier]

bump

[foot_soldier]

Very nice venue - thank you for submitting this.

The Aviation Environment Federation (AEF)

Aviation and Climate Change

Passenger growth in the UK is expected to increase from 180 million passengers per annum in 2002 to 501 million by the year 2030. To attempt to cope with this increase the UK Government recently produced an aviation White Paper recommending airport expansion across the UK.

Similarly, worldwide passenger traffic is expected to grow by about 5% per annum and and air freight by over 6% per annum. The world fleet of aircraft is expected to double by 2020.

Meeting this insatiable demand for air travel will have a massive environmental impact both on a local and global scale..... (continued)
http://www.aef.org.uk/campaigns/climate/index.php
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[foot_soldier]

Just another update to this chronologically-formatted thread:

November 13, 2005

Air travellers to be hit by EU emissions tax
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/11/13/cntrav13.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/11/13/ixcitytop.html

The cost of flying could soar as early as next year under plans being proposed by the Government to include aviation in a controversial emissions trading scheme.

If agreed, passengers will have to pay an extra charge to help offset the damage to the environment caused by the pollutants produced during flight. The charge, which could more than double the cost of many low-cost flights, will be used to pay for schemes elsewhere in the world that reduce carbon use such as tree planting.

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that the Government plans to use the UK's presidency of the Council of the European Union, which runs until the end of this year, to introduce legislation forcing all airlines flying in Europe to pay a charge for emissions above a permitted level.

During the UK's presidency the EU has so far failed to agree a budget or make progress on agricultural subsidy reform and the Government has been criticised for its lack of achievement in the influential role.

But senior Government figures believe introducing emissions trading would be an appropriate legacy and strengthen the EU's position when the British Government represents Europe at the United Nations climate change summit in December.

The UK chairs a meeting of the Environmental session of the European Council on December 1 and is expected to introduce the measures then. The proposed legislation would have to be agreed by the Council.

A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: "The EU is hoping to introduce a legislative programme next year and we are using our presidency to work towards that."

The plans have split airlines with British Airways and easyJet in favour but Ryanair resolutely opposed.

Dr Andrew Sentance, BA's chief economist and head of environmental affairs, said he welcomed the move. "We believe that emissions trading is the most environmentally effective and economically efficient way to manage carbon dioxide emissions from aviation," he said.

BA argues the scheme should apply only to flights within the EU but the Government's initial proposal will be to include all flights to or from an EU airport, bringing long-haul passengers and US airlines into the net.

Stelios Haji-Ioannou, the largest shareholder in easyJet, said: "We back the emissions trading but it has to be fair for all airlines and not penalise low-cost airlines."

[foot_soldier]

Aircraft induced contrail cirrus over Europe
Authors: Mannstein, Hermann; Schumann, Ulrich

Source: Meteorologische Zeitschrift, Volume 14, Number 4, August 2005, pp. 549-554(6)

Publisher: E. Schweizerbart Science Publishers
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/schweiz/mz/2005/00000014/00000004/art00012

NOTE: The full text article is not available for purchase.
The publisher only permits individual articles to be downloaded by subscribers.

Abstract:

Condensation trails (contrails) and aircraft induced cirrus are nowadays a common feature at the mid latitude skies. Previously the impact of aircraft induced cirrus changes has been roughly estimated from observed decadal trends in cirrus cover but the direct attribution of observed cirrus changes to changes in aviation activity remains uncertain. In this paper the amount of additional cirrus induced from spreading contrails in humid air is estimated from the direct correlation between observed cirrus cover derived with suitable methods from METEOSAT data and aviation flight density reported by EUROCONTROL at high spatial and temporal resolution from June 22 to July 27, 1998 and September 27 to October 21, 2000. The results indicate that the aircraft induced cirrus cover over Europe is about ten times larger than that of linear contrails in the same region. Radiative forcing* from the additional cirrus may be more than 10 times higher than that of linear contrails and aviation induced CO2 increases.

*I.e. net warming of the lower atmosphere

Document Type: Research article
DOI: 10.1127/0941-2948/2005/0058

[foot_soldier]

November 19, 2005

China to Buy 70 Boeing 737 Airliners
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051119/D8DVINNG1.html

BEIJING (AP) - China will buy 70 Boeing 737 airliners, a U.S. official said Saturday.

The official, Mike Green, senior director for Asian affairs on the National Security Council, would not discuss the financial details. Neither Boeing Co. (BA) nor the Chinese government made any formal announcement of the sale.

"It's a very important thing and I think it's a testament to how our approach to China is yielding real results," Green told reporters traveling in China with President Bush. "In this case, an order for 70 737 aircraft from Boeing."

Beijing often announces large purchases of American airliners in connection with visits by U.S. leaders in an effort to mollify Washington's frustration over China's surging trade surplus with the United States.

[whitemajikman]

Aircraft induced contrail cirrus over Europe
Authors: Mannstein, Hermann; Schumann, Ulrich

Source: Meteorologische Zeitschrift, Volume 14, Number 4, August 2005, pp. 549-554(6)

Publisher: E. Schweizerbart Science Publishers
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/schweiz/mz/2005/00000014/00000004/art00012

NOTE: The full text article is not available for purchase.
The publisher only permits individual articles to be downloaded by subscribers.

Abstract:

Condensation trails (contrails) and aircraft induced cirrus are nowadays a common feature at the mid latitude skies. Previously the impact of aircraft induced cirrus changes has been roughly estimated from observed decadal trends in cirrus cover but the direct attribution of observed cirrus changes to changes in aviation activity remains uncertain. In this paper the amount of additional cirrus induced from spreading contrails in humid air is estimated from the direct correlation between observed cirrus cover derived with suitable methods from METEOSAT data and aviation flight density reported by EUROCONTROL at high spatial and temporal resolution from June 22 to July 27, 1998 and September 27 to October 21, 2000. The results indicate that the aircraft induced cirrus cover over Europe is about ten times larger than that of linear contrails in the same region. Radiative forcing* from the additional cirrus may be more than 10 times higher than that of linear contrails and aviation induced CO2 increases.

*I.e. net warming of the lower atmosphere

Document Type: Research article
DOI: 10.1127/0941-2948/2005/0058


6.1 Radiative Forcing
6.1.1 Definition
The term “radiative forcing” has been employed in the IPCC Assessments to denote an externally imposed perturbation in the radiative energy budget of the Earth’s climate system. Such a perturbation can be brought about by secular changes in the concentrations of radiatively active species (e.g., CO2, aerosols), changes in the solar irradiance incident upon the planet, or other changes that affect the radiative energy absorbed by the surface (e.g., changes in surface reflection properties). This imbalance in the radiation budget has the potential to lead to changes in climate parameters and thus result in a new equilibrium state of the climate system. In particular, IPCC (1990, 1992, 1994) and the Second Assessment Report (IPCC, 1996) (hereafter SAR) used the following definition for the radiative forcing of the climate system: “The radiative forcing of the surface-troposphere system due to the perturbation in or the introduction of an agent (say, a change in greenhouse gas concentrations) is the change in net (down minus up) irradiance (solar plus long-wave; in Wm-2) at the tropopause AFTER allowing for stratospheric temperatures to readjust to radiative equilibrium, but with surface and tropo-spheric temperatures and state held fixed at the unperturbed values”. In the context of climate change, the term forcing is restricted to changes in the radiation balance of the surface-troposphere system imposed by external factors, with no changes in stratospheric dynamics, without any surface and tropospheric feedbacks in operation (i.e., no secondary effects induced because of changes in tropospheric motions or its thermodynamic state), and with no dynamically-induced changes in the amount and distribution of atmospheric water (vapour, liquid, and solid forms). Note that one potential forcing type, the second indirect effect of aerosols (Chapter 5 and Section 6.8), comprises microphysically-induced changes in the water substance. The IPCC usage of the “global mean” forcing refers to the globally and annually averaged estimate of the forcing.

WMM

[foot_soldier]

August 2005 Airline Traffic: Eight-Month Domestic Traffic Up 5.2 Percent From 2004
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2005/bts052_05/html/bts052_05.html

Thursday, November 10, 2005 — U.S. airlines carried 5.2 percent more domestic passengers and flew 1.6 percent more domestic flights during the first eight months of 2005 than they did during the same period in 2004, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) today reported, in a release of preliminary data (Table 1).

BTS, a part of DOT's Research and Innovative Technology Administration (RITA), reported that the airlines carried 449.3 million domestic passengers during the first eight months of 2005, up from the 427.0 million carried between January and August 2004 (Table 2). The passengers were carried on 6.83 million flights, up 1.6 percent from the 6.72 million flights operated in 2004 (Table 1).

In other domestic comparisons from the first eight months of 2004 to the first eight months of 2005:

Revenue passenger miles, a measure of the number of passengers and the distance flown, were up 5.2 percent.

Available seat-miles, a measure of airline capacity, were up 1.8 percent.

Passenger load factor, passengers carried as a proportion of available seats, was up 2.5 load factor points.

Flight stage length, the average non-stop distance flown per departure, was up 1.3 percent.

Passenger trip length, the average distance flown per passenger, was 870 miles per trip, no change from the first eight months of 2004.

Among airlines, Southwest Airlines carried 59.2 million domestic passengers during the first eight months of 2005, the most of any airline (Table 3).

Among airports, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport was the busiest U.S. airport for domestic travel during the first eight months of 2005, with 26.7 million passenger boardings (Table 4).

August 2005 Airline Traffic

For the month of August 2005, U.S. airlines carried 59.0 million domestic passengers, 2.1 percent more than in August 2004 (Table 5) .

These passengers were carried on 894,460 flights, down 0.5 percent from the 898,613 flights operated in August 2004.

In other month-to-month domestic comparisons from August 2004 to August 2005:

Revenue passenger miles, a measure of the number of passengers and the distance flown, were up 2.4 percent.

Available seat-miles, a measure of airline capacity, were up 0.4 percent.

Passenger load factor, passengers carried as a proportion of available seats, was up 1.6 load factor points.

Flight stage length, the average non-stop distance flown per departure, was up 1.9 percent.

Passenger trip length, the average distance flown per passenger, was up 0.2 percent.

Among airlines, Southwest Airlines carried 8.1 million domestic passengers during July , the most of any airline (Table 6).

Among airports, Hartsfield-Jackson International in Atlanta was the busiest U.S. airport for domestic travel during August , with 3.4 million passenger boardings (Table 7).

Additional airline traffic data can be found on the BTS website at TranStats, the Intermodal Transportation Database at http://transtats.bts.gov . Click on “Aviation,” then on “Air Carrier Statistics (Form 41 Traffic),” then click on “T-100 Domestic Market.”

Data are compiled from monthly reports filed with BTS by commercial air carriers detailing operations, passenger traffic and freight traffic. July traffic data are preliminary and include data received by BTS from 130 airlines as of Nov. 8. Data are subject to revision.

Revised data from July 2005 and previous months are posted on the BTS website at http://transtats.bts.gov . BTS will release September traffic data and revised data from August and previous months on Dec. 15..... (continued)

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Wayne, bad portents for tourism in Greece:
Environmental cost per passenger of a return flight from London to ATHENS
Miles: 1,485
Fuel: 250 kg
Greenhouse gases: 2,336kg CO2
After visiting, someone would have to go without heating, cooking, lighting and mechanised transport for 2 years and 9 months to make up for their impact on the environment. Greece obtains 15% of it's GDP from tourism.
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Perhaps it would be better to just stay home, let's see if the Greeks can eat ruined temples to false gods.

[foot_soldier]

November 21, 2005

Studies: Fighting global warming is affordable
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/nation/13225233.htm

HACKENSACK, N.J. - A plan being considered by nine northeastern states to reduce so-called greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming will not impose undue costs on businesses and governments, according to several new studies.

"We're talking about pennies or dollars a month, not $100," Dale Bryk, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council, told The Record of Bergen County for Monday's newspapers. "The cost that we're looking at is minuscule and really the cost of the problem we're looking at is monumental."

A New Jersey electric customer on average would see increased costs of $3.28 to $40 a year over the next 15 years, according to one study by an economic development consultant. The study found that personal incomes in the region would fall no more than 0.03 percent by 2021.

New Jersey utilities are skeptical about the numbers.

"We can't imagine that making these kinds of reductions would not have a significant impact on these prices," said Ellen Raines, a spokeswoman for FirstEnergy Corp., which owns Jersey Central Power & Light Co.

Plans to create the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative involve New Jersey, Delaware, New York and the six New England states. In addition, Maryland and Pennsylvania are monitoring its progress, and California, Oregon and Washington are developing their own global warming reduction plans.

The United States produces 25 percent of all the planet's greenhouse gases.

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney endorsed the northeast plan earlier this month, calling it "good for business."

The proposal would freeze utility emissions at current levels through 2015, and then require a 10 percent reduction by 2021. It also would create a market for greenhouse gases, allowing those who lower emissions to sell excess "credits" to those who can't cut quickly enough.

Some critics fear such a plan could drastically increase electricity rates because it would force companies to build new plants, or convert them to use natural gas.

A study by the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities predicted initial costs for the new rules would add $5 to $10 a year to consumers' bills, said Mike Winka, the board's clean energy director. He said electricity bills might decrease over time because the regulations would force more energy conservation.

[foot_soldier]

November 23, 2005

EU warns on aviation emission levels
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&ObjectID=10356606

The devastating effect that tax free fuel for airlines has on global warming is laid bare in an EU report being studied by MPs.

Aviation fuel is untaxed, in spite of the growing evidence that it is undermining international efforts to reduce the damaging gases that cause global warming.

The EU Commission report says if the current rate of growth in air travel is continued, it will result in 150 per cent increase in emissions from international flights from EU airports by 2012.

That will offset more than a quarter of the reductions required under the Community's agreed Kyoto target.

On current trends, the Commission says that aviation emissions 'will become a major contributor' of greenhouse gases.

However, the EU and Britain, current holders of the EU presidency, have been accused by environmental lobbyists of ducking hard decisions over aviation fuel.

Rather than tax the fuel, the EU commission is preparing to include it in the trading scheme for harmful emissions that cause greenhouse gases, and will be tabling legislation next year.

Tony Blair yesterday clearly hinted that he will give the go-ahead to a new generation of nuclear power stations, but stopped short at taxing aviation fuel.

"You don't set out as Prime Minister or as a Government to be deeply unpopular," he said when appearing before a group of senior MPs.

"On some of these issues to do with climate change - you can see it with some of the debate on nuclear power - there are difficult decisions that governments have got to take in the long term interests of the country." He added: "None of us in politics deliberately courts unpopularity.

In relation to climate change there are real issues about energy security and supply that will mean decisions that are bound to be controversial." Airlines have lobbied the Government to oppose any move to tax aviation fuel, warning that they will fly to countries where it is not taxed to refuel if an EU-wide tax is brought in.

Ministers also fear a backlash by passengers if taxes lead to higher fares, particularly by low cost airlines.

The EU Commission said a 70 per cent improvement in EU fuel efficiency had been 'more than offset by the even higher growth in traffic, leading to an increase in the impact of aviation on the climate'.

While the community's total emissions of those greenhouse gases controlled under the Kyoto protocol fell by 5.5 per cent between 1990 and 2003, those from international aviation increased by 73 per cent corresponding to an annual growth of 4.3 per cent.

The EU commission report says that commercial aircraft cruising at altitude emit carbon dioxide, the most important greenhouse gas, nitrogen oxides, which have a net warming effect because they produce ozone but reduce atmospheric concentrations of methane, and also water vapour which triggers condensation trails.

Under the UN framework convention on climate change, greenhouse gas emissions from international air traffic are accounted in a different way from other emissions, due to a lack of consensus about who should be responsible for them.

As a consequence, only domestic emissions of carbon dioxide are included in national emission totals.

The Commission warns this removes a key part of the political pressure to implement measures in other sectors.

It says international aviation should be included in any climate change regime after 2012.

Elliot Morley, Britain's environment minister, said a working group had been set up and its findings will be fed into an ongoing review of the existing framework of the community's emission trading scheme, which is due to report by 30 June next year.

'We are pressing for the development of an open emissions trading system for international aviation,' Mr Morley added.

He said the UK was holding back the weapon of taxation, but was pressing for the inclusion of aviation in the emissions trading scheme as a priority for its presidency, which ends next month.

The Government is pressing for improved working practices at airports to cut emissions; research for new technologies; and voluntary action by airlines to develop sustainability strategies.

He added: 'We recognise that these measures may not provide a total solution.

Therefore we continue to explore and discuss options for the use of other economic instruments.'

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Wayne, bad portents for tourism in Greece:
Environmental cost per passenger of a return flight from London to ATHENS
Miles: 1,485
Fuel: 250 kg
Greenhouse gases: 2,336kg CO2
After visiting, someone would have to go without heating, cooking, lighting and mechanised transport for 2 years and 9 months to make up for their impact on the environment. Greece obtains 15% of it's GDP from tourism.
=========================
Perhaps it would be better to just stay home, let's see if the Greeks can eat ruined temples to false gods.

Wayne, when all your eco-left friends fly in for the "Social Forum", will they forego heating, cooking, lighting, and mechanized transport for years to pay penance for their sins?
Or will they make the trip as a "walkabout"?

Just making a point about the absurdity of your people's claims......

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay-Jay = BUSH GOP corrupter of science

[jayreynolds]

Hey, Jimbo, looks like they aren't buying your "chemtrails" hoax out in Oregon........
Why the contrail crossed the sky
Published: November 5, 2005
http://www.newsregister.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=200417
By JOHN DAY
For the News-Register

Contrails, short for condensation trails, are one of the most fascinating of all cloud forms to me.

Some days, there is not a contrail to be seen, though you know airliners are flying their routes as usual. On others, not as frequent, high-flying jets lay down a stubby tail, like a white poodle on a leash, that follows them across the sky.

On still other days, contrails persist as thin pencils of cloud still stretching from horizon to horizon long after the jet has passed south into California airspace or north into Washington airspace. And on occasion, a single contrail may spread laterally, aided by upper-atmosphere crosswinds, and become a large layer of cirrostratus cloud covering a goodly portion of the sky.

What is going on to produce such radically different effects?

What follows is a primer on contrail formation. If you read each element, it should remove much of the mystery of contrails and enable you to reject the "chemtrail" tale often espoused by conspiracy theorists.

Let's start with the basics, number one being the definition of relative humidity.

This is the ratio of the pressure exerted by the water vapor component of our air, remembering that each atmospheric gas exerts its own individual pressure, to the maximum possible at the given temperature. We multiply it by 100 to put it in percentage terms.

As a simple example, if actual vapor pressure is measured at 2 millibars, and the maximum is 4 millibars at temperature T, the RH would be 50 percent. Simple, right?

If the temperature were to rise, then the maximum pressure would climb to 5, 6 or more millibars and the relative humidity would decrease accordingly.

It is very straightforward to see that when the numerator and denominator of the fraction are the same, the ratio is 1 times 100 or 100 percent. This represents a condition of saturation, which is the prerequisite for a change of state.

We call this change of state condensation. It represents the transformation of gaseous water to liquid water in the form of tiny droplets.

In aggregate, we call these droplets a cloud. Or, in the case of condensation triggered by the exhaust of a passing jet, a contrail.

If the temperature is low enough, the vapor might undergo a change of state directly from a gas to an array of tiny ice crystals. Thus, contrails can be composed of super-cooled water droplets and/or ice crystals.

The second point to be made is that it is very cold at the 35,000 to 45,000 feet of elevation at which jets typically fly - something on the order of 50 degrees Centigrade, an easy number to remember. At this low temperature, the atmosphere can adsorb only a tiny amount of water vapor before becoming saturated.

A third point is that the distribution of water vapor at any level changes from time to time and location to location. The air at flight level may be moist one day and dry the next.

A simple generalization follows: Contrails appear most frequently and last the longest when the environmental air is moist. They appear least frequently and last the shortest when the environmental air is dry.

A fourth point is that the hot exhaust from the aircraft's jet engines includes water vapor. It is easy to visualize a jet leaving in its wake a stream of water molecules at high temperature - molecules which immediately come into contact the frigid molecules of the surrounding high-altitude air.

What happens then depends on the moisture condition of that surrounding air.

A contrail will form when the relative humidity of the mixture of A and B , where A is the moisture from the jet and B is the moisture of the environmental air, is 100 percent. If it is lower than 100 percent, a contrail will not form. It's as simple as that.

Well, actually, it's not quite as simple as that. But this is a basic primer. You have to master arithmetic before you tackle calculus.

A fifth point relates to the issue of spreading.

As a generalization, a contrail will maintain its form as a pencil of cloud when the atmosphere is in a state of stable stratification - that is, when there is a minimum of vertical motion to cause mixing. An unstable atmosphere favors lateral spreading of a contrail, and thus its transformation into a cirrostratus cloud sheet.

Another effect seen when the atmosphere is unstably stratified is the formation beneath the contrail of spigules of cloud dropping down and extending the contrail's size. This is shown dramatically in my vacation photo of crossed contrails over Sonora, Calif. - the smaller of the two photos accompanying today's column.

In summary, contrails can appear in a variety of shapes and forms, depending on the particular atmospheric circumstances. It is all a part of cloud physics and chemistry.

John Day is a retired Linfield College physics professor and an avid meteorologist.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Another uninformed writer or another Warren Commission type White Wash for a Dirty White House. The GOP has corrupted science and truth.

The latter applies. The omissive writer fails to tell why Jets make chemtrails, and ten years ago there were few visible persistent trails. Obviously, Jet engines and fuels have been designed to make lasting chemtrails and these design changes alter the impact of Jets on climate and environment.

All those changes based on the chemtrails science that tells of the UV-b problems on ocean's cooling, and going on up the design ideas from EDB's production of hygroscopic HBr, the aluminum ideas, and all the ideas for changing fuels to make bigger longer lasting chemtrails.

Jay-Jay is one of the lead white washers for a Dirty White House.

They just can't keep the thing clean with dirty crooks running things. Dirty politics and even more dirt coving up truth.

It makes for a really nasty White House and a nasty GOP that fools the people.

[jayreynolds]

All those changes based on the chemtrails science that tells of the UV-b problems on ocean's cooling, and going on up the design ideas from EDB's production of hygroscopic HBr, the aluminum ideas, and all the ideas for changing fuels to make bigger longer lasting chemtrails.


Jimbo, 'Footsoldier' created this thread to tell the world about her claim that jet contrails hurt the environment.

It is supreme irony to watch her silence as you claim the exact opposite.

[halva]

If Raynolds is not kept on the defensive ALL THE TIME he resumes his attempts to insert himself between us and turn us against each other.

On the flimsiest of pretexts, or on no pretext.

It matters not to Raynolds that Footsoldier does not WANT him as spokesperson for her views on Jim Phelps OR on contrails/chemtrails and their effects on the environment, which he again caricatures in order to detect non-exist 'ironies'.

It is EVERYONE's duty to keep Raynolds' back to the wall continually. The less this is done, the more space on these threads is taken up with input of the above quality.

[foot_soldier]

Jimbo, 'Footsoldier' created this thread to tell the world about her claim that jet contrails hurt the environment.

It is supreme irony to watch her silence as you claim the exact opposite.

Fuck Off, Reynolds.

[halva]

How 'bout some input from you now, BC:

Hi, Jay. How ya doin'. Been thinkin' of ya.

Take up some nice debating point with him to show him and us that you are not on anyone's side and that you have a mind of your own.

[jayreynolds]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayreynolds
Jimbo, 'Footsoldier' created this thread to tell the world about her claim that jet contrails hurt the environment.

It is supreme irony to watch her silence as you claim the exact opposite.

Fuck Off, Reynolds.

Hey, dearie. Don't blame me for stating the obvious contradictions.
You can either deal with it, or curse it but nevertheless it's true.

Jimbo says he invented what you say that you despise most.

Jimbo says he designed what you say you hate to cure the threat you say you fear.

He says he created "chemtrails" to cure "global warming", plain and simple.

And you are too scared of him to call his bluff?

What a little wimp you are, 'footsoldier'.

Not a soldier at all, a cowering simpering scared little fool.

Scared of big bad Jim Phelps your big bad boogeyman?

Disgusting, that.

[jayreynolds]

How 'bout some input from you now, BC:

Hi, Jay. How ya doin'. Been thinkin' of ya.

Take up some nice debating point with him to show him and us that you are not on anyone's side and that you have a mind of your own.

As if she takes orders from you, Wayne.
How presumptuous.

You had better clean your barn, boy, the shites getting over your head.

[foot_soldier]

You're a miserable little putz, Reynolds.

Everyone knows it.

[foot_soldier]

November 21, 2005

Studies: Fighting global warming is affordable
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/nation/13225233.htm

HACKENSACK, N.J. - A plan being considered by nine northeastern states to reduce so-called greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming will not impose undue costs on businesses and governments, according to several new studies.

"We're talking about pennies or dollars a month, not $100," Dale Bryk, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council, told The Record of Bergen County for Monday's newspapers. "The cost that we're looking at is minuscule and really the cost of the problem we're looking at is monumental."

A New Jersey electric customer on average would see increased costs of $3.28 to $40 a year over the next 15 years, according to one study by an economic development consultant. The study found that personal incomes in the region would fall no more than 0.03 percent by 2021.

New Jersey utilities are skeptical about the numbers.

"We can't imagine that making these kinds of reductions would not have a significant impact on these prices," said Ellen Raines, a spokeswoman for FirstEnergy Corp., which owns Jersey Central Power & Light Co.

Plans to create the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative involve New Jersey, Delaware, New York and the six New England states. In addition, Maryland and Pennsylvania are monitoring its progress, and California, Oregon and Washington are developing their own global warming reduction plans.

The United States produces 25 percent of all the planet's greenhouse gases.

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney endorsed the northeast plan earlier this month, calling it "good for business."

The proposal would freeze utility emissions at current levels through 2015, and then require a 10 percent reduction by 2021. It also would create a market for greenhouse gases, allowing those who lower emissions to sell excess "credits" to those who can't cut quickly enough.

Some critics fear such a plan could drastically increase electricity rates because it would force companies to build new plants, or convert them to use natural gas.

A study by the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities predicted initial costs for the new rules would add $5 to $10 a year to consumers' bills, said Mike Winka, the board's clean energy director. He said electricity bills might decrease over time because the regulations would force more energy conservation.
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[foot_soldier]

November 23, 2005

EU warns on aviation emission levels
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&ObjectID=10356606

The devastating effect that tax free fuel for airlines has on global warming is laid bare in an EU report being studied by MPs.

Aviation fuel is untaxed, in spite of the growing evidence that it is undermining international efforts to reduce the damaging gases that cause global warming.

The EU Commission report says if the current rate of growth in air travel is continued, it will result in 150 per cent increase in emissions from international flights from EU airports by 2012.

That will offset more than a quarter of the reductions required under the Community's agreed Kyoto target.

On current trends, the Commission says that aviation emissions 'will become a major contributor' of greenhouse gases.

However, the EU and Britain, current holders of the EU presidency, have been accused by environmental lobbyists of ducking hard decisions over aviation fuel.

Rather than tax the fuel, the EU commission is preparing to include it in the trading scheme for harmful emissions that cause greenhouse gases, and will be tabling legislation next year.

Tony Blair yesterday clearly hinted that he will give the go-ahead to a new generation of nuclear power stations, but stopped short at taxing aviation fuel.

"You don't set out as Prime Minister or as a Government to be deeply unpopular," he said when appearing before a group of senior MPs.

"On some of these issues to do with climate change - you can see it with some of the debate on nuclear power - there are difficult decisions that governments have got to take in the long term interests of the country." He added: "None of us in politics deliberately courts unpopularity.

In relation to climate change there are real issues about energy security and supply that will mean decisions that are bound to be controversial." Airlines have lobbied the Government to oppose any move to tax aviation fuel, warning that they will fly to countries where it is not taxed to refuel if an EU-wide tax is brought in.

Ministers also fear a backlash by passengers if taxes lead to higher fares, particularly by low cost airlines.

The EU Commission said a 70 per cent improvement in EU fuel efficiency had been 'more than offset by the even higher growth in traffic, leading to an increase in the impact of aviation on the climate'.

While the community's total emissions of those greenhouse gases controlled under the Kyoto protocol fell by 5.5 per cent between 1990 and 2003, those from international aviation increased by 73 per cent corresponding to an annual growth of 4.3 per cent.

The EU commission report says that commercial aircraft cruising at altitude emit carbon dioxide, the most important greenhouse gas, nitrogen oxides, which have a net warming effect because they produce ozone but reduce atmospheric concentrations of methane, and also water vapour which triggers condensation trails.

Under the UN framework convention on climate change, greenhouse gas emissions from international air traffic are accounted in a different way from other emissions, due to a lack of consensus about who should be responsible for them.

As a consequence, only domestic emissions of carbon dioxide are included in national emission totals.

The Commission warns this removes a key part of the political pressure to implement measures in other sectors.

It says international aviation should be included in any climate change regime after 2012.

Elliot Morley, Britain's environment minister, said a working group had been set up and its findings will be fed into an ongoing review of the existing framework of the community's emission trading scheme, which is due to report by 30 June next year.

'We are pressing for the development of an open emissions trading system for international aviation,' Mr Morley added.

He said the UK was holding back the weapon of taxation, but was pressing for the inclusion of aviation in the emissions trading scheme as a priority for its presidency, which ends next month.

The Government is pressing for improved working practices at airports to cut emissions; research for new technologies; and voluntary action by airlines to develop sustainability strategies.

He added: 'We recognise that these measures may not provide a total solution.

Therefore we continue to explore and discuss options for the use of other economic instruments.'
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[Insurrectionchemistry]

Unlike Jay-Jay,

I don't have any investments in big oil, Lockheed-Martin, GE, Boeing, Pratt-Whitney, etc. So, I don't mind at all when the chemical emissions of jet planes come under consideration for regulation, taxes, lowering production, setting limits.

However, Bush, the GOP, and Jay-Jay don't want that to happen. I tend to be an Environmentalist and I don't mind regulation.

Jets emit chemtrails, as the previous article clearly puts forth. F_S always provides some interesting listings on what is going on with the current public considerations. She always has better contributions than anyone listing in this area of interest.

F_S basically makes Jay-Jay look like Poodle crap, because she seeks the truth. Jay-Jay seeks to coat the Forum in Poodle Crap as the GOP's lap-dog.


Setting up jets to make clouds to cool the Earth's surface is a pretty simple process, and has evolved over many decades now. It started with simple concepts like EDB, which made chemicals like HBr, which mimiced the hygroscopic HF effects of cloud seeding that we saw all the time around Oak Ridge from all the HF losses from the gas diffusion system.

It stepped up into aluminum and other metal catalytic methods investigations and finially migrated into the changes in engine designs and fuel changes that is the mainstay for Global Shield's methods of cooling the Earth's heating from the Sun via more reflective albedo type concepts via making more clouds.

The principle is simple as when overcast areas have lower temperature days, it lowers the surface temps and the air temps in the region of the cloud overcast. In Tennessee, it shows up as 65 degree highs in the summers, when the temps are usually in the high 80s-90s.

Tennessee's clouds are doctored by both jet chemical emissions and by fossil fuel emissions, and the area has been cooler and wetter than other regions because of these effects on cloud formation and persistence.

Chemtrails induced overcasts don't keep the hot air from the surface from rising up over the overcast areas and emitting IR directly into cold space. So, chemtrail induced clouds end up reflecting both IR and UV-b back into space via Mie Scattering. And even in the nights the air thermals rise above the clouds and provide night radiative cooling into the night sky.

It is a complex analysis for the net global effects, but the overall intent was to change the impact of jet chemical emissions on global warming, UV-b, and rainfall patterns to pull down HF and the other acids that nucleate water droplets. Data is still being considered as better science comes to bear on the analysis. So far, the changes put forth by chemtrails sciences have lowered the net global impact of jet chemical emissions as compared to previous system impact, but it has not eliminated all the problems. It only bought some time.

I am always glad to see the public research get into the investigations, but still think they fall short of the mark of the full system models needed for complete understanding. These models that omit the concepts of Ocean's Cooling via the UV-b damage factors is one of the most serious areas of omission in these public studies.

The net effect of increasing overcast from mother nature, fossil coal emissions, or from doctoring jet emissions to make more clouds is that it cools the Earth's surfaces in high air traffic regions. Some of the effects even drift over the poles and corrects for some of the UV-b damage to Ocean's cooling and IR into the Ocean's surfaces. The full analysis has yet to be seen in public circles, but maybe someday it will come out.

The EU data still falls a little short of the mark of full understanding of the complexities.


F_S continues to do an excellent job of digging up the EU studies and listing them. I enjoy reading them and will continue to follow them.

F-S is much better than the Jay-Jay Poodle, whose biggest contribution is smelling wet spots on the floor and piles of other non-sense. Jay-Jay the poodle barks at shadows and functions are only lowly levels. Bow-wow is in his dialect, so he communicates with Zigglet, the door to door chemical illiterate. Their only mark on society seems to be on fire plugs.

[halva]

As if she takes orders from you, Wayne.
How presumptuous.

You had better clean your barn, boy, the shites getting over your head.

Raynolds, BC is as dangerous an ally for you as you say IS is for us.

[jayreynolds]

Jets emit chemtrails, as the previous article clearly puts forth.

Setting up jets to make clouds to cool the Earth's surface is a pretty simple process, and has evolved over many decades now.

It started with simple concepts like EDB, which made chemicals like HBr, which mimiced the hygroscopic HF effects of cloud seeding that we saw all the time around Oak Ridge from all the HF losses from the gas diffusion system.

It stepped up into aluminum and other metal catalytic methods investigations and finially migrated into the changes in engine designs and fuel changes that is the mainstay for Global Shield's methods of cooling the Earth's heating from the Sun via more reflective albedo type concepts via making more clouds.

The principle is simple as when overcast areas have lower temperature days, it lowers the surface temps and the air temps in the region of the cloud overcast. In Tennessee, it shows up as 65 degree highs in the summers, when the temps are usually in the high 80s-90s.

Tennessee's clouds are doctored by both jet chemical emissions and by fossil fuel emissions, and the area has been cooler and wetter than other regions because of these effects on cloud formation and persistence.

Chemtrails induced overcasts don't keep the hot air from the surface from rising up over the overcast areas and emitting IR directly into cold space.

So, chemtrail induced clouds end up reflecting both IR and UV-b back into space via Mie Scattering.

And even in the nights the air thermals rise above the clouds and provide night radiative cooling into the night sky.

The net effect of increasing overcast from mother nature, fossil coal emissions, or from doctoring jet emissions to make more clouds is that it cools the Earth's surfaces in high air traffic regions.

So, Footsoldier, when Jimbo claims that jets cool the earth, even at night, are you going to agree with him?

After all, for almost two years now in this thread, you have been saying the exact opposite!

He is goading you into a debate, Dearie, by repeating his bogus claims.

How long will you allow him to make a mockery of you????

[Insurrectionchemistry]

It does not reflect badly on F_S at all. She is using some of the studies from Europe and elsewhere that does not cover all the factors.

When the better studies come out, F_S will list all those.

All I am doing is showing where there is room for improvement. Hot air from the surface rises and gets above the cloud cover and radiates energy into space, much as how the ocean have chimneys that exchange thermal energies leading to ocean currents.


And Jay-Jay's little games are always transparent. I regard F_S as being an honest person and Jay-Jay as the always dishonest person. Jay-Jay is like the current commander in chief that came into office with the goal of taking down Iraq to stick it to Islam and cause a bigger Holy War because Islam bans usury. Jay-Jay, like Bush, is all about spin and telling great lies for the profits of the few.


The only thing that consistently happens is F_S, I, and lots of others show the kind of GOP crook that Jay-Jay "I think I can Spin" Reynolds really is, and how stupid he looks.


It is becoming so easy to show up Jay-Jay's lies these days, it has become a pride movement. Jay-Jay types and types and red letters all over the place, and everyone sees his despiration and laughs outloud.

[jayreynolds]

It does not reflect badly on F_S at all. She is using some of the studies from Europe and elsewhere that does not cover all the factors.

When the better studies come out, F_S will list all those..

Well, Jimbo, where will these "better studies come out" be coming from?

So far, you contradict everything she has been saying all these years, and it is blatantly obvious
neither of you have the guts to prove your cases.

What sort of fears do you two have about each other?

[foot_soldier]

Jay "Taurus Bulba" Reynolds wrote:
He is goading you into a debate, Dearie, by repeating his bogus claims.

How long will you allow him to make a mockery of you????
You don't speak for me, Reynolds.

I don't in the least feel that IS is "making a mockery" of me.

On the contrary, I happen to agree with a great deal of what IS submits here, particularly on the matter of the phytoplankton/stratospheric O3 connection, which I personally believe to be one of our most pressing problems.

I also do not feel that IS is "trying to goad me into a debate." That's your tactic, with which I am very familiar.

So piss off.

Jerk.

[jayreynolds]

You don't speak for me, Reynolds.
Of course not, you don't even speak for yourself, most of the time.......

I don't in the least feel that IS is "making a mockery" of me..

Why do you suppose he has come to this particular thread to post his bogus claims which directly contradict everything you stand for?

I also do not feel that IS is "trying to goad me into a debate." .

Either he is doing this on your thread to try and debate you, or else he feels he can get away with making a mockery of what you stand for, and knows he has got you so cowed you won't so much as make a whimper.

What other reason could there be for him to come here and post his crap on your thread?

Your silence speaks volumes as to your cowardice.

[Boomer Chick]

Well, I was up late roaming around looking for Ron Paul and found this:

Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas

Las Vegas Tribune/Marcus K. Dalton | November 17 2005 (http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050819/headline1.html)

Editor's Note: Las Vegas residents are increasingly noticing the appearance of chemical trails overhead. They appear EVERY weekend without fail, the only exception being the two weeks after September 11, 2001. Such "chemtrails" are substantially different in appearance to the normal condensation trails left by jet airliners. The difference is that while condensation trails are composed of water vapor that dissipates rapidly, "chemtrails" linger much longer and spread out over time to eventually cover the sky with a thin haze. This week the Las Vegas Tribune begins a two-part article to examine the undeniable and mysterious phenomena of Chemtrails Over Las Vegas.

Last year a concerned reader wrote to the Idaho Observer: "Driving across Idaho and Nevada we saw normal condensation trails in the skies above north Idaho and we were habitually looking up as we drove toward Las Vegas. We had noticed that the sparsely populated areas in Nevada had brilliantly clear blue skies and that the occasional airplane left vapor trails that dissipated normally. But as soon as we neared Las Vegas, in the skies directly above the city, we watched what appeared to be a military C-135 Transports spraying something over the populated areas. When the planes were no longer directly over Las Vegas, they continued flying leaving a vapor trail that dissipated normally."

It has been reported that the "chemtrails" contain ethylene dibromide -- a substance that has been an additive to gasoline and airplane fuels as well as a banned pesticide. Ethylene dibromide has been linked to kidney and liver damage and is an immunosuppressive and a lung irritant.

William Thomas, who has researched chemtrails since their appearance in the latter 90s, has noted stunted plant growth in once-healthy gardens and wilderness areas in Santa Fe and Aspen. Similar
plant problems are commonly associated with chemtrails in other regions of the U.S.

A brief history of the chemtrail phenomenon can be traced to a Washington state man who told award-winning investigative reporter William Thomas that he'd become ill on New Year's Day 1999 after watching several jets make strange lines in the sky. Within six months, Thomas, writing primarily for the Environmental News Service, has detailed 1000s of eyewitness reports of chemtrails from 40 states.

"Mainstream newspapers have gone out of their way to dismiss these eyewitness accounts," Thomas told the New Mexican newspaper in June 1999, "It's easier to sell UFOs to major media than a phenomena as close in many cities as the nearest window."

Especially disturbing for residents of heavily chemtrailed communities like Las Vegas is a "chemtrail sickness" associated with heavy spray days leaving many stricken people complaining of the "flu" and acute allergic reactions months after the flu season has ended. Upper and lower respiratory and gastrointestinal ailments remain unusually high in many spray areas, along with debilitating fatigue - and something even more worrying.

What's going on?

Thomas is convinced that we are under "deliberate biological attack" by agents known only to top military and government officials responsible for permitting continuing over-flights by unmarked spray aircraft.

Government officials deny that anything unusual is taking place, yet increasing numbers of concerned observers are seeing 727-like aircraft painted "all-white with a black stripe up the middle of fuselage" laying long and often cries-crossing chemtrail patterns over Southern Nevada and elsewhere. None of the planes carry identifying markings.

Pat Edgar has been watching the jets spraying over eastern Oklahoma since a sunny day in October, 1997 when as many as 30 contrails gradually occluded the sky. "They look like they're playing tic-tac-toe up there," he says. "You know darn well it's not passenger planes." Edgar says he has watched "cob-webbing stuff coming down" from the zigzagging jets flying "all day long, line after line, back-and-forth, like furrows in a farm field." Edgar adds "There is a lot of Lupus in the area now. A lot of women have come down with it."

One source, who spoke to the Tribune under condition of anonymity, working as a civilian archeologist on government land throughout Nevada, began to notice "all white unmarked aircraft" preparing for take-off at Nellis AFB and at the Mancamp Complex near Tonapah in the late-90s. "It was these unmarked planes that were constantly laying down the criss-crossing X patterns of lingering chemical-spray trails over Southern Nevada." When the archeologist asked the military escort who accompanied the civilian research team into 'sensitive' areas around Nellis, about the planes, the reply received was, "You didn't see anything."

Another Las Vegas resident, Sandy Range, grew up within an outdoors field and stream-type family and has been watching the weather and the skies all her life. Holding a degree from Syracuse University, Range moved to Las Vegas in 1989. "I first began to notice the chemtrails in late '96 - 14 criss-crossed miles-long vapor trails that didn't evaporate like the norm. I began to see them weekly, then daily," Range states matter-of-factly.

[Boomer Chick]

One early morning in '99 Range was returing from Henderson when a low-flying craft dropped a trail right overhead along Boulder Highway. "It covered my car with a sticky web-like coating and I saved a specimen in a jar. Microscopic fiber-like filaments," Range reports.

Government denials, as usual.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio authored the Space Preservation Act of 2001, which sought a "permanent ban against weapons in space," specifically banning "chemtrails" as weapons. But in a subsequent version of the bill, the "chemtrails" language disappeared entirely. The missing words suggest an eyes-wide-open denial, which says as much about the cover-up as it does about the spraying that's plainly visible in the sky.

In a front-page story entitled "Conspiracy theorists look up," the Akron Beacon Journal noted that Kucinich's bill "had been rewrittenand the references to chemtrails and the other types of weapons were quietly eliminated." The Beacon Journal article, linking chemtrails to conspiracies, resulted from massive local pressure. Michel Massullo of Akron provided that newspaper with rolls of photos of plane trails and a sworn affidavit attesting to extensive aerial activity over that city.

The U.S. Air Force Website refutes the "Chemtrail Hoax" as having been around since 1996, "accusing the Air Force of being involved in spraying the U.S. population" with mysterious substances: "Several authors cite an Air University research paper titled 'Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025' that suggests the Air Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future. The 'chemtrail' hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications."

Explaining the government's position, Lieutenant Colonel Michael K. Gibson of the U.S. Air Force wrote U.S. Representative Mark Green in August 2000 and stated, "The term 'chemtrail' is a hoax that began circulating approximately three years ago which asserts the government is involved in a joint federal program of covert spraying of the public."

But many intelligent researchers call Gibson's communique a classic non-denial denial: Gibson is denying that the Air Force is secretly spraying U.S. citizens. The reality is the U.S. Space Command and other government agencies are involved in ongoing experiments for military and environmental purposes that involve aerial spraying, and the microfibers and other sprayed chemicals inevitably fall to earth, putting the public at risk.

Before you believe Gibson's and the government's "denial," do an Internet search for the following terms: "Joint Vision for 2020" and "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025", a whitepaper by MIT's Bernard Eastlund and H-bomb father Edward Teller. Before he died in 2003, Teller was director emeritus of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, where plans for nuclear, biological and directed energy weapons are crafted. In 1997, Teller publicly outlined his proposal to use aircraft to scatter through the stratosphere millions of tons of electrically-conductive metallic materials, ostensibly to reduce global warming.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base confirmed to the Ohio newspaper, Columbus Alive, that they were involved in aerial spraying experiments. One involved aluminum oxide spraying related to global warming and the other involved barium stearate and had to do with high-tech military communications.

And even in the face of government denials, environmental laboratories have begun to identify an extremely toxic component of the spray drifting over cities and countryside. Several independent sources claim that samples of fallout from the lingering smoke trails and have been independently tested and found to contain ethylene dibromide (EDB).

In 1998, a US Air Force public affairs officer told residents of Las Vegas that their sudden upsurge of respiratory ailments could have come from "routine" fuel-dumping by military aircraft reducing weight for landing.

An extremely hazardous pesticide, EDB was banned by the US Environmental Protection Agency in 1983. But in 1991, the composition of jet fuel used by commercial and military jet aircraft in the U.S. was changed from JP4 to somewhat less flammable JP8. A Department of Defense source says the move "has saved some lives" in air crashes. Ethylene dibromide is a key component of JP8.

The 1991 Chemical Hazards of the Workplace warns that repeated exposure to low levels of ethylene dibromide results in "general weakness, vomiting, diarrhea, chest pains, coughing and shortness of breath, upper respiratory tract irritation" and respiratory failure caused by swelling of the lymph glands in the lungs. "Deterioration of the heart, liver and kidneys, and hemorrhages in the respiratory tract," can also result from prolonged contact with JP8.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's hazardous materials list: "Ethylene dibromide is a carcinogen and must be handled with extreme caution." A seven-page summary of this pesticide's extreme toxicity notes that EDB may also damage the reproductive system. According to the EPA, "Exposure can irritate the lungs, repeated exposure may cause bronchitis, development of cough, and shortness of breath. It will damage the liver and kidneys".

[Boomer Chick]

Mark Witten, a respiratory physiologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson where an official US Air Force study on JP8 was carried out, told Scientist in March, 1998 that crew chiefs "seem to have more colds, more bronchitis, more chronic coughs than the people not exposed to jet fuel."

EDB is 6.5-times heavier than air. Unlike normal condensation trails, the thick white streamers being sprayed from downward-pointing tail-booms over at least 39 states does not dissipate, but spreads into an overcast that refracts a purple color in sunlight and appears suddenly as an oily film in puddles and ponds.

Hundreds of photographs and videotapes made by ground observers show pairs or larger formations of aircraft spreading a white mist that thickens and drifts toward the ground. Thousands of eye-witnesses - including police officers, pilots, military and public health personnel - have provided detailed accounts of aerial spraying in characteristic "X"s and east-to-west grid patterns, followed by occluded skies - and acute auto-immune reactions and respiratory infections throughout affected regions.

Severe headaches, nosebleeds, shortness of breath, joint pain and a dry hacking cough "that never leaves" are being reported by countless Americans jamming hospital Emergency Rooms from coast to coast. While December and January are traditionally bad months for asthma sufferers, patients, doctors and nurses across the U.S. report hospital wards filled to overflowing with bronchitis, pneumonia and acute asthma admissions at up to twice-normal winter rates.

"We're getting sprayed real heavily with the chemtrails," a Las Vegas resident told the Tribune. " On some days it's just total saturation."

As over-filled Pennsylvania hospitals were forced to divert respiratory emergencies to other facilities with bed space, a south-central Pennsylvania resident, Deborah Kammerer, looked out her window and watched aircraft "flying and dispersing over the city. It was supposed to be a clear sunny day. It became more overcast as the day progressed. I observed how the white trails widened out and settled down creating a haze over everything."

Where is the mainstream media's reporting of this mass phenomenon? Indications of a concerted cover-up came in February 2003, when a retired Southern Baptist preacher named Everett Burton finally succeeded in reaching C-span. After voicing his opinion on the Clinton impeachment trial, this former minister told Americans to get a copy of the Constitution and read it to realize what they have lost. Rev. Burton then advised viewers not to take his word for what was happening in the US, "just look up in the skies as the planes regularly spray contrails across the skies, spraying people and making them ill." At that point, Rev. Burton was cut off. The screen flipped from C-span to the Tennessee state seal, remained silent for several minutes.

... to be concluded next week.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/171105vegaschemtrails.htm

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I'll look for the continuation. So there..... all of my chemmie friends can give me a little credit now instead of accusing me of totally opposing them at every turn. Any comments on the article? Interesting at this point in the game, isn't it?

[Boomer Chick]

Part 2 by Dalton:

http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050826/headline3.html

[halva]

I'll look for the continuation. So there..... all of my chemmie friends can give me a little credit now instead of accusing me of totally opposing them at every turn. Any comments on the article? Interesting at this point in the game, isn't it?

BC, the accusations don't have to do with your work of researching and presentation of information but with your stance towards Reynolds, which makes the task of keeping a civilized, coherent and generally bearable climate on these threads much harder than it would otherwise be. It would facilitate things for all of us if you ignored Reynolds and other visiting debunkers (the way, for example, that you usually ignore me) and refrained from making negative and judgemental comments about the rest of us which provides Reynolds with further opportunity for turning us against each other, stirring up resentments, introducing irrelevancies and diversions, lowering the level of debate and generally poisoning the climate here and making the task of remaining here more and more a duty and less a pleasure.

By the way I think that article (or at least the first part of it) has been posted here before. But it doesn't matter.

[jayreynolds]

By the way I think that article (or at least the first part of it) has been posted here before. But it doesn't matter.
Yeah, it has been posted here at ariannas before, I think by Jimbo, who said "The truth is coming out". The article has so many falsities in it it's not even funny. The "EDB in jet fuel" myth was the opening gambit of the "chemtrails" hoax back in 1997. wouldn't you think some brilliant chemmie would have simply obtained a sample and presented it by now? They haven't, because EDB isn't a component of Jet fuel, though it WAS a component of leaded gasoline(anyone sit in a traffic jam during the 60's?)

Nevertheless, despite the fact that this article merely perpetuates obvious misinformation, it is was held high and to my knowledge, no chemmie has even dared comment about how, by continuing to assert such a falsehood, it only serves to discredit the hoax, not to advance the alleged "cause".

So it doesn't matter, eh Wayne?

It matters more than you think it does, for perpetuation of easily debunked myths(like your false claim that ~107 tons of whatnium can affect climate) can only serve to hand debunkers yet another opportunity to demonstrate just how gullible you people really are.

BTW, don't expect much more on the subject from the 'Las Vegas Tribune". Besides being a 20 page city tabloid with a non-stellar reputation, the author of the piece has been fired.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Jay-Jay, the GOP facist, can't seem to keep up with the science, or even show up for radio interviews.

Jay-Jay's insane science reviews don't float.

[Boomer Chick]

Dr. Leonard Horowitz definately suspects a spraying program of some kind. This might be an older article. I'll try to find his updated speculations.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/naziflu28dec04.shtml

[whitemajikman]

Dr. Leonard Horowitz definately suspects a spraying program of some kind. This might be an older article. I'll try to find his updated speculations.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/naziflu28dec04.shtml

Here is a little Snippet for Jay from the Above Article..........

"They then got me in touch with Centers for Disease Control Toxicology, and after about a week I received a letter from one of their chief toxicologists saying, indeed there was some amount of ethylene dibromide in the jet fuel. Now, ethylene dibromide is a known human chemical carcinogen that was
removed from unleaded gasoline because of its cancer-causing effects. Now suddenly it has appeared in the jet fuel that apparently high-altitude military aircraft a