Normal Contrails: Some Sanity

[TOTO]

Hey there Lou
Let me clarify this a little bit more ....Madresfield did not join SUCKABIGONES forum . SUCKABIGONE made a abuse report then on his NOTHING FORUM made the statement that Madresfield is a paid plant.
I think that no one but little Jeffies imaginary friends are on his forum.
Hope that clears that up a little bit more.
That little twit if he ever does grow balls and goes to your home like he threatens will be very surprized at what awaits his ass .
Yes Lou, as I said before you followed thru on your post as a good person would do and I comend you for your honesty at all times that you have always done.
I like my new name for it...it says he is James Bond but I like Scooby Doo much more it really fits !

[Lou]

Hey there Lou
Let me clarify this a little bit more ....Madresfield did not join SUCKABIGONES forum . SUCKABIGONE made a abuse report then on his NOTHING FORUM made the statement that Madresfield is a paid plant.
I think that no one but little Jeffies imaginary friends are on his forum.
Hope that clears that up a little bit more.
That little twit if he ever does grow balls and goes to your home like he threatens will be very surprized at what awaits his ass .
Yes Lou, as I said before you followed thru on your post as a good person would do and I comend you for your honesty at all times that you have always done.
I like my new name for it...it says he is James Bond but I like Scooby Doo much more it really fits !

No,........'Jeffie Boy' AKA, the man of a thousand internet user names made the claim that 'Madresfield' is a PAID plant_go figure,........Ha,...thanks for clearing that up for me, sorry I misunderstood your post.

What a MORON, according to him EVERYONE and ANYONE that doesn't fall in line with his warped thinking he sees fit to attack and portray them as some paid this or that but he offers no proof that anyone is paid, it's just his over active imagination driving all of his baseless accusations of people, the IDIOT pulls this "PAID" BS whenever someone calls him out for his psychotic blathering or when he is trying to AXE someone character, we see this patented behavior from him over and over and it's what defines his whole MO.

He is such a pathetic, psychotic little worm, accusing others of being so called PAID FAKES, the MORON is operating a message board as a completely ANONYMOUS ASSHOLE, talk about FAKES paid or not, this IDIOT takes first prize in identifying himself as a FAKE and him calling others FAKES and LIARS is wholly laughable.

"Scooby Doo",........Hmmm,...the only thing is I actually like the character 'Scooby Doo', I don't like this MORON 'socrates' or whatever name he goes by, he is nothing but a lowlife cowardly scum that is represented by who knows how many internet user names, as I said, ANONYMOUS ASSHOLE FAKE all the way, that's what he and all of his little imaginary friends are_end of story.

I've got better things to do that get back into this 'socrates' / 'Jeffie Boy' BS, everyone knows he is a wack job, nothing more needs to be said,....catch you later,....Lou.:D

[halva]

I think it would be a good development to get away from using as an accusation the notion that some is PAID to do what they do and/or say what they say. Both sides in the mass-media climate change debate ("sceptics" and true believers) accuse the other side of being PAID. These are characteristics that fit in very well with it being an American-inspired debate, a debate whose epicentre is in the US.

The accusation is not, I would say, used as much in Europe, where the reality of subsidization of NGOs and political parties seems to have become more institutionalized and less frowned upon.

[Lou]

I think it would be a good development to get away from using as an accusation the notion that some is PAID to do what they do and/or say what they say. Both sides in the mass-media climate change debate ("sceptics" and true believers) accuse the other side of being PAID. These are characteristics that fit in very well with it being an American-inspired debate, a debate whose epicentre is in the US.

The accusation is not, I would say, used as much in Europe, where the reality of subsidization of NGOs and political parties seems to have become more institutionalized and less frowned upon.

Yes Wayne, you are quite correct in that,.... but,.... "We" are all aware that in most critical areas affecting society, economy and environment especially, each partisan side can and does indeed "PAY" there own respective so called experts, scientist, attorneys, etc, for their expert advise, opinion and their (Name) professional support.

That said I believe it is seldom that we see the average person called upon, let alone be paid by any faction of a particular side of an issue to act as an AGENT on there behalf unless that person falls into a qualified professional field and thus can be considered an expert in said field.

This is exactly why these crazy accusations presented by what's his name covering so many ordinary people becomes so pathetically ridiculous giving the reader a sense that the author is completely unbalanced, which he is without doubt in my opinion.

In a perfect world we would have no partisan division with regard to such important issues as the environment but countries such as the U.S. with sides within our body politic that are owned by industry have become incubators that breed the need for "PAID" experts whom they use to overcome the common sense rational which they fight against constantly because of there greed and lust for power, there in lies the rub by which "We" end up with the so called partisan divide and the never ending turmoil that we see taking place within this country over a great range of issues.

I suppose that could be said of every country but I believe that it reaches new heights within the super power countries with each passing year, those countries governments for all of there might and power seem at times to be heading head long into a social chaos of there own making, sad really when you think of all the opportunities lost that could have propelled us into countries being far better than just "Super Powers".

Ah,......The beat goes on,....A-What. :rolleyes:

[halva]

Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Chemtrails
Christoph Keller, "The Chemtrails-Project", 2006 (Courtesy Esther Schipper, Berlin)

Since the early nineties a strange phenomenon has frequently been observed by amateur video-makers and concerned citizens: Jetstreams from some airplanes remain in the sky much longer than before and even longer than can be scientifically explained. Various times government- and military-officials were informed, but their answers remained unsatisfactory and often accompanied by an aura of secrecy. Hence a growing number of people, well trained scientists among them, have joined their forces to find out what really lays behind the chemtrail-phenomena. No conclusion so far: An increase of allergic-sensitivity has been stated among the population living in areas with intensive chemtrail activity. Severe atmospheric changes or the testing of an unknown new aircraft-propellant by the airforce are considered as some of the possible reasons.

Chemtrails is a work in progress video-project by Christoph Keller on subjectivity and paranoia in the US including interviews and documentary footage.

http://www.christophkeller.com/index.php?view=projects

http://www.christophkeller.com/index.php?view=project_view&id=3

Transmediale 2008

[halva]

Wayne, what Lou and his hoaxer buddy have yet to do is to explain where they got the photo from.

After all the hoaxes you people have fallen for, you should be crucifying anyone who would hoax you again.

They didn't take it themselves, they just found it online and photoshopped in some words about "spray #5'.

Demand to know the truth, or be content with proving yourselves the sort content to believe complete lies.


One of the reasons that it is the populists who are sustaining the "chemtrails" issue when more sophisticated sites like "Air Apparent" go under is that the priority is on maintaining the tough-guy political stance, with evidence and rightness and wrongness, science, in other words, taking the back seat.

This is precisely the methodology that has brought such success to our opponents.

[foot_soldier]

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[halva]

I have moved my topic to another venue. This is now officially a Chemtrail Thread.

Carry on.

Footsoldier a constructive proposal from you would be welcome. If you want to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem either go away as you keep threatening to, or really become engaged here, effectively. A proposal to move the debate that interests you to another venue would be accepted by me.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Debunkers in Chemmie Clothes From Megasprayer Expose Themselves

http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=1382#1382

[siegmund]

Some feedback from Andrew Johnson's list:

This image:

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/738/szzxihlp4.jpg



For Wayne, Tim White, Cloakanddagger the fakker
with love

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/6/9/0855967.jpg

[Jeff Reynolds]

Wayne, what Lou and his hoaxer buddy have yet to do is to explain where they got the photo from.

After all the hoaxes you people have fallen for, you should be crucifying anyone who would hoax you again.

They didn't take it themselves, they just found it online and photoshopped in some words about "spray #5'.

Demand to know the truth, or be content with proving yourselves the sort content to believe complete lies.


One of the reasons that it is the populists who are sustaining the "chemtrails" issue when more sophisticated sites like "Air Apparent" go under is that the priority is on maintaining the tough-guy political stance, with evidence and rightness and wrongness, science, in other words, taking the back seat.

This is precisely the methodology that has brought such success to our opponents.


Halva doesn't ever make sense. He just puts random words together with no ideas. Of course Halvar isn't gonna admit that there is all this chemtrail tinfoil getting in the way. He has been posting plenty of that shit himself, including support for "Louis Aubuchont," an internet character from the Deep Sky hoax who says he can wipe out small clouds with the power of his own mind.

Chemtrails are real. Chemtrail forums are not.
http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org

[Jeff Reynolds]

For Wayne, Tim White, Cloakanddagger the fakker
with love

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/6/9/0855967.jpg


Good job Ed Snell, er Siegmund

[halva]

Keep working at it. You can get them all back if you try hard enough.

[siegmund]

Good job Ed Snell, er Siegmund

Jeff, please stop with this confusion game.
I'm siegmund and not Ed Snell, punctum.
The admin knows my e-mail address and IP (both from Germany), that's enough.
Do you want a photo from Waldkraiburg with verification via google earth?

[Jeff Reynolds]

Keep working at it. You can get them all back if you try hard enough.


Get Don Bradley here. He was NSASucks at CTC. Mark Steadham gave him his own tinfoil section. Or how 'bout delicious from orbwar.com. That was a doozy script you had for that one. Cydoniaquest? He really did sound like Yaak playing games. It's an extensive script. The whole thing. That Maverick website with weatherman714, all fabricated. The annoying Greek woodtick? Planned. Don Croft and Mark Steadham? In on it. Foot Soldier, Cousin Jay, Swamp, Increase, Lou, Jim Phelps, Tim White, Siegmund, Ed Snell, Gaiacomm, all this shit has been scripted. We know it. Most importantly, now the chemmies can see more quickly how extensive disinfo is with chemtrails on the internet due to paid fucks, sock puppets, and useful idiots like yourselves.

[halva]

I'm putting you on ignore, along with Siegfried.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jeff, please stop with this confusion game.
I'm siegmund and not Ed Snell, punctum.
The admin knows my e-mail address and IP (both from Germany), that's enough.
Do you want a photo from Waldkraiburg with verification via google earth?

Ok, sorry. Anyone who has looked into the chemtrail forum history will see a lot of strange games going on. Sorry to include you.

Too many of these gatekeeper chemmies have cognitive dissonance with the outrageous tinfoil. Too many to be a coincidence.

[Lou]

I'm putting you on ignore, along with Siegfried.

By the way 'Jeffie Boy' is saturating the threads with his PARANOID PSYCHOTIC BS that EVERYONE on the internet is a PAID FAKE, etc, I'd say your putting him on ignore is a good idea.

He must be bored posting to himself at his NOTHING BOARD to come here and post so much, someone told me that at his site he was saying that he was not going to post here anymore,........yeah, right,......how many times have heard that LIE from him and from how many forums, same old 'Jeffie Bla, Bla, Bla Boy' BULLSHIT as usual.:rolleyes:

[halva]

He is forever running around looking for a mentor onto whose balls he can cling and from that position unload his garbage onto everyone else.

Question Reality was the most recent candidate.

[Lou]

He is forever running around looking for a mentor onto whose balls he can cling and from that position unload his garbage onto everyone else.

Question Reality was the most recent candidate.

Agreed.

I never thought I'd concede to myself let alone anyone else that 'Jay Reynolds' company would be preferable to that of this LUNATIC 'Jeffie Boy' and the tripe he spews out about everyone being paid this and fake that.

I was wrong when I said that "Jeffie Boy' is the DEBUNKERS BEST FRIEND, he is a CREEPING CANCER of agitation with his parade of CARTOON CHARACTER SURROGATES and he is in a class all by himself which is far worse that of the ordinary run of the mill DEBUNKERS like "Jay".

I suppose there are people who agree with his absurd paid fake conspiracy theories because we know there have been and probably are today government programs designed to spread misinformation, especially as to what the military is doing but accusing everyone who post a different opinion than that of his of being part of some vast internet misinformation conspiracy goes to the ludicrous if not the totally insane. :rolleyes:

[halva]

The fact is that there is an irredeemable contradiction between his need to be the centre of attention and his qualifications for making himself so in any way more interesting than how he does.

[Lou]

The fact is that there is an irredeemable contradiction between his need to be the centre of attention and his qualifications for making himself so in any way more interesting than how he does.

Yes, anyone that is familiar with the classic "Jekyll and Hyde" characters can easily make a comparative likeness of them to 'socrates' / "Jeff Reynolds" Anti-social, psychotic and irrational behavior.

The 'GUY'S have a FEW SCREW'S LOOSE for sure.:rolleyes:

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/3/5/lou_a/f_DrJekyllMrHm_29842e7.jpg

[halva]

Our website has been getting deluged with e-mails the last few days. There seems to be massive chemtrail spraying going on all over Greece.

http://www.enouranois.gr/photo/index.htm

[Lou]

Our website has been getting deluged with e-mails the last few days. There seems to be massive chemtrail spraying going on all over Greece.

http://www.enouranois.gr/photo/index.htm

I'd say so by those recent photo's, there has been no activity here for some time now but I expect it t pick up again as winter comes to an end.

[foot_soldier]

I can see the difference in our skies over the last 6-7 years as more and more of what would normally be blue-sky days are obliterated by noon due to the presence of dozens of persistent, spreading contrails aka aviation cirrus. It is no longer at all unusual to see four or five days a week featuring what the meteorologists are now openly referring to as "limited sunshine", particularly under heavily-traveled flight corridors.

It has occurred to me many times that there are children being born today who may never know what the skies used to look like.

How can we let this happen?

I can also see the differences in regional weather patterns over the last 6-7 years. I think the overloading of our troposphere with aircraft emissions is directly contributing to the extremes in temperature and precipitation we're seeing in some regions of this country.

Is unlimited economic growth really so much more important than leaving a living, liveable environment to those coming up behind us?
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[halva]

Once again this reference to a "we" who lets things happen.

Footsoldier does not want to be part of ANY actual "we" but is full of rhetorical passion about what "we" do and don't do.

I am very pleased to see the younger generation of our island mobilising around the issue of climate change,
http://earthhourhellas.wordpress.com/Αίγινα/

albeit starting at a low theoretical level, and perhaps WITHOUT any knowledge of what skies were like once. Unlike Footsoldier these young people are prepared to listen to straight-down-the-line unredeemed "chemmies" without insisting on imposing their own non-negotiable alternative strategies.

[halva]

This is just by way of pre-empting Jeff Reynolds.

[halva]

So you don't need to attack Footsoldier, Jeffie. I've done it for you.

[foot_soldier]

Hey, I think you've made your point, halva. There's no need to hammer on it over and over and over. I should think an important person such as yourself would have better things to do in any case.

And by the way, you have no idea what I'm "part of" at this juncture.

[halva]

It's just that I'm perpetually anxious that this part of the forum could descend from one second to the next into the bedlam that we have seen here in the past. That's the only reason for making these pre-emptive interventions.

But Hippie Dude is touching on matters that provide opportunities for demonstrating knowledge rather than just a political stance that triggers boring and repetitive argument..

[halva]

And by the way, you have no idea what I'm "part of" at this juncture.

Why don't you tell us what you're "part of"?

[kola]

Why don't you tell us what you're "part of"?

ditto.

[foot_soldier]

Why don't you tell us what you're "part of"?
Right. :rolleyes:

Let's just say it's been a lot more productive to work offline with people who share similar concerns.

Had I known ten years ago what I know now I would have approached my own process very differently.

No matter. Live and learn.

[kola]

once again..another NON answer to a direct question.

~shakes head~~~
Kola

[kola]

otoh it could have been worse and she could have responded with pages upon pages of copy and pasted material.

you must be one heck of a social butterfly in real person, :rolleyes:

[foot_soldier]

once again..another NON answer to a direct question.

~shakes head~~~
Kola
Whatever.

[halva]

Whatever what, Footsoldier?

[halva]

What do you know now that you didn't know ten years ago?

[kola]

here comes a copy and paste bombardment.

or another..."whatever"

LMAO

fuckin nutso, man...

if I want answers about chems i avoid all forums..shes a perfect example and not to mention that other dickwad Suckrotes.

yeah.

[halva]

I have never encountered another person like Footsoldier.

Most chemmie posters suffer from the opposite fault of being climate change "sceptics" who have been suckered by populist demagogues or the scientists that work together with them.

Even Rosalind Peterson's friend and collaborator Bridget Conroy, who is an admirer of Lomborg.

Fortunately in Greece few chemtrails activists are climate change "sceptics". Why, I wonder?

[halva]

Chemmies will only ever get anywhere as part of the climate change movement, through forcing the rest of the movement to stop rejecting us or ignoring us.
http://www.enouranois.gr/images/8dece2007.jpg

Footsoldier, who would be perfectly qualified to help us do that, is not interested in trying. Unless these "other things" that she is doing and won't tell us about are part of that kind of effort.

But if they are, why does she keep it a secret from us???

My other car is a Rolls Royce.
http://www.tabletop.com/xp_5376870-My_other_car_is_a_Rolls_Royce_Mug_Design_a_Product _LLC_mug_text_1397.aspx

[Lib]

No names, Mr. Reynolds. No kidding.

Let's not make an issue of this.

-Lib

[Lou]

You know_I like you Wayne, Kola I've got no gripes with you but I don't agree with you guy's when it comes to your criticism of 'FS', if you don't understand her logic that she is applying (It's a right brain thing) then why criticizes her at all, do your post your way and let her do it her way and forget all of this stupid animosity between the parties because believe it or not we are all on the same "GREENER" side of the issues.

This sort of bickering between us is just what the other side lives for_please think about that.

Thanks / Lou.:cool::D

[Jeff Reynolds]

No names, Mr. Reynolds. No kidding.

Let's not make an issue of this.

-Lib

Ok, sorry about that. I won't debate or make it an issue. Here's the post with the other thing gone.


The chemtrails are kooky script has consisted of three basic categories of characters.

*** Crazy Believers
*** Closed-minded Debunkers
*** Debunkers in chemmie clothes

This thread is part and parcel of the third category. One can go to the first post made and see that it was scrubbed over two years after it was made. This thread was started as a call out to Jay Reynolds, who may or may not be my cousin. At this point, at this compromised forum, it is fairly clear what is going on. It's called astroturfing.

The person who started this thread has linked to contrails.nl (http://www.contrails.nl/) quite often. This is from their front page.

http://mynetimages.com/fbb2f54a.jpg

http://mynetimages.com/e104783a.jpg


A real chemmie would never keep linking to this domain without pointing out it is a debunker website.

________________________________________
Chemtrails are real. Chemtrail forums are not.
http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org

[Lou]

What_'Jeffie Boy' must not have anyone posting at his NOTHING BOARD by the way he is over here so much TROLLING the threads with his TROUBLEMAKING psychotic BS?:rolleyes:

[foot_soldier]

.....At this point, at this compromised forum, it is fairly clear what is going on......
What is the title of this thread?

The only thing that's been "going on" here is what you and certain other parties have conjured up in your own heads.

.....The person who started this thread has linked to http://contrails.nl quite often.....

You have a real problem with serious exploration of commercial aviation's contribution to the destabilization of our climate. Fine. However, that does not give you the right to stifle the concerns of others who want to look more closely at this issue.

[halva]

What is the title of this thread?

The only thing that's been "going on" here is what you and certain other parties have conjured up in your own heads.

Footsoldier, "what we conjure up in our own heads" is called a viewpoint. As you remember, I started off as quite an admirer of yours, with whom I sought, and for a while enjoyed, close collaboration. It was only gradually, and over a very long period, that I came to a perception that there is/was a causal connection between the content of what you had (and have) to say and the treatment to which we all, but you and Lou perhaps in particular, were being subjected to by our unlamented psychopathic former (?) "discussion partner" here Jay Reynolds. Having reached that conclusion, it was necessary to begin to act on the understanding that to deal with Jay Reynolds, one had to "deal with" you.

The situation was further complicated by Socrates, who also fell in love with you at Megasprayer, and when I told him that there were certain problems about your strategy, responded by attempting to ingratiate himself with you, successfully getting me excluded from Megasprayer as an alleged advocate of deliberate pollution, and then changing his mind both about you and about Megasprayer in general.

Socrates then came here and as "Jeff Reynolds" at first cleverly complemented the brilliant strategy that Lou as "J-Vitum" was implementing against Jay Reynolds. Then he quarreled with Lou, who, along with you, became a focus for his attacks.

The general intellectual level of Socrates/Jeff Reynolds frenzied ranting against you and against Lou was so low that to "do something" about him, once again I had to try to "do something" about you.

I would be quite happy to let you alone cutting and pasting on the subject of airline emissions if it were not for these extraneous factors.

In my opinion the best way for you to help out in preventing degeneration of discussion here would be by addressing the postings that Hippie Dude put up a day or two back.

You might also in passing answer the questions that Kola and I have asked you, but I at any rate don't insist on that. All that I request is that you try to help make it easier, not more difficult, to preserve a good standard of discussion here.

Remembering that we must basically do our own "moderating" (though we are getting a bit of help now) when it comes to dealing with would-be disrupters.

To the extent that you cannot or will not be part of a collective effort for dealing with disruption I will continue to treat you as part of the problem. Sorry. .

[halva]

To the extent that you cannot or will not be part of a collective effort for dealing with disruption I will continue to treat you as part of the problem. Sorry.

[Jeff Reynolds]

What is the title of this thread?

The only thing that's been "going on" here is what you and certain other parties have conjured up in your own heads.

You are one of the first posters to ever post at the big boards. You said you helped a bit on that Chemtrails over America report. Yet, your biggest thread here is primarily about commercial aviation. You link to a website that calls chemtrails a hoax. I read one comment about you somewhere that said you were a reknowned chemtrail researcher. I have never seen one actual chemtrail post by you. I see you linking to a site that shows white-outs and explains that it is a result of any aircraft at the right atmospheric time and place for persistent contrails. You are not a chemmie. You are a debunker. You have nothing in common with Rosalind Peterson who has singled out the NOAA and other institutions for disclosure. It's over. It is a fact that you are a debunker in chemmie clothes.


You have a real problem with serious exploration of commercial aviation's contribution to the destabilization of our climate. Fine. However, that does not give you the right to stifle the concerns of others who want to look more closely at this issue.

The problem is with you making all these posts on chemtrail boards. If I'm not mistaken, you said you were done posting on this thread, and blessed it to return to a thread on chemtrails.

You're a debunker. You link to a debunker board. You never make any posts on chemtrails, yet you are a reknowned chemtrails researcher? You jumped the shark.



____________________________________
Chemtrails are real. Chemtrail forums are not.
http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org

[halva]

Nevertheless, Jeff Reynolds, I propose to you that you leave Footsoldier alone, do not preoccupy yourself with her. Let her have this thread to herself to post on the subject of airline emissions.

Granted that we agree with you that she is a debunker, etc. etc. (I do not agree, but I do not propose to argue with you about it.) If left to her own devices she does not bother anybody. She pursues her own line of research, which is at a high intellectual level, even if it does not serve the purposes you and I think she should be trying to serve.

You could have listened to me when I tried to tell you all this a number of years ago now, at Megasprayer.

I suppose it is never too late to learn. I cannot save you from what Lou's extended family say they have in store for you, but if you change your attitude you can at least avoid making any new enemies.

What do you say? Will you just lay off Footsoldier??? Let her have this thread to herself. Stop bothering her. Stop occupying yourself with her. She is not part of the solution, but neither are you if you keep bothering her, and us, by focusing on her.

[Lou]

I'm taking 'Kola's' advise to 'merl' because 'Kola' is right and I'm leaving this forum, I've had enough of the vile BS, the attacks, the stupidity, paranoia and psychotic behavior of some of the posters here.

For the few good posters here I wish you well and good luck in whatever it is you do here.

I'm out of here.

Lou
_____________

[halva]

You know if you break my heart I'll go,
But I'll be back again,
'cause I told you once before goodbye,
But I came back again.

I love you so
I'm the one who wants you,
Yes, I'm the one
Who wants you, oh ho, oh ho, oh

You could find better things to do,
Than to break my heart again,
This time I will try to show that I'm
Not trying to pretend.

I thought that you would realize
That if I ran away from you
That you would want me too,
But I got a big surprise,
Oh ho, oh ho, oh

You could find better things to do,
Than to break my heart again,
This time I will try to show that I'm
Not trying to pretend.

I wanna go but I hate to leave you,
You know I hate to leave you , oh ho, oh ho, oh
You, if you break my heart I'll go,
But I'll be back again.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYuUJshxAM

[halva]

Airline hires temps to fill plane

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Flybe has given the term low-fare airline an entirely new meaning: it is paying 172 people to fly back and forth across England and the Irish Sea to help it meet a target for passenger numbers at Norwich airport.

Flybe was narrowly falling short of a target to deliver at least 15,000 passengers on the Dublin-Norwich route in the 12 months ending on Monday, which meant it would have to forego a 280,000 pound ($550,000) rebate from the airport.

After the airport rejected a request for a partial rebate for almost hitting the target, Flybe hired 172 temps for 30-40 pounds each, plus a free bar and in-flight entertainment, though it admitted "it probably sounds like an early April fool."

But Richard Jenner, managing director of the airport in eastern England, called the British carrier's move "ludicrous" and said the target had to be met by regular fare-paying passengers.

"The ludicrousness is on the Norwich side who in essence have tried to hold us to ransom, putting at risk routes into Norwich," Flybe Chief Commercial Officer Mike Rutter replied in a joint interview with Jenner on Irish public broadcaster RTE.

(Reporting by Andras Gergely; Editing by Jon Boyle)

[foot_soldier]

.....Flybe hired 172 temps for 30-40 pounds each, plus a free bar and in-flight entertainment.....
I guess they figured a roughly $15,000 investment was worth it to avoid losing the $550,000 rebate.

Hardly an optimum state of affairs at any rate.

[foot_soldier]

Business leaders get together for a frank exchange of views:

High Visibility?
Airline Emissions in the 21st Century

Monday 3 March 2008
to Tuesday 4 March 2008

Location
Chatham House, London
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/events/conferences/view/-/id/112/

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Conference overview

The proliferation of air travel is having a significant effect on the volume of airline emissions. European Commission studies estimate that the aviation industry accounts for 4% of the annual greenhouse gas emissions. The increase in airline travel can be attributed to a number of different factors, such as the burgeoning low-cost airline industry and the rise of passengers in the next two years, with the rise in wealth of developing countries, such as India and China.

The increase in flying is set against the background of the dwindling social acceptability of flying together with a changing regulatory framework in light of the impact of emissions on the environment. The EU is currently blazing the trail, but the US are starting to engage ever more with the environmental concerns. What impact is this having on the international competitive environment?

The carbon credit market has tripled over the last 2 years, from US$10billion in 2005 to US$30 billion in 2007, according to the World Bank. The market is truly international, with emerging economies such as India and China heavily engaged.

This conference will seek to address the steps which need to be taken by policymakers, the aviation industry and the investment community to address this fundamental issue. How is the aviation industry adapting to the impact of climate change? Is the international community engaging in resolving this issue? How is the EU-ETS trial period working in reality? Is this a benchmark for other players?

[halva]

Two questions, Footsoldier, and please don't snob them because I would like to regain the respect I once had for you.

Firstly, do you know what the logic of these rebates are that could have led an airline into this behaviour?

Secondly, how do you deal with the fact that the airline emissions debate skirts, in fact systematically avoids addressing, the reality that some see airline emissions not as a problem but as a solution?

[halva]

By the way, Footsoldier, the public relations success of the Aigina-centred Earth Hour Hellas initiative here and the sudden coming to prominence of Eleni Skrekou and her sister is presenting the opportunity here for a climate change sceptic/true believer debate that will NOT avoid the issue of climate change/geoengineering/weather modification.

The other party to the debate, Vicky Chrysou of Thessaloniki, a climate-change-sceptic "chemmie", has already published her first contribution. Vicky Chrysou translated into Greek Chris Haderer's still unpublished (except in German) book on chemtrails. She featured prominently in last year's high-rating Chardavelas television programme on chemtrails and has published a number of articles on the subject, some of which I have translated into English.

[halva]

Here is some input from Lou, how significant I don't know:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23936802/

[foot_soldier]

Two questions, Footsoldier, and please don't snob them because I would like to regain the respect I once had for you.

Firstly, do you know what the logic of these rebates are that could have led an airline into this behaviour?

Airports work out arrangements with individual air carriers as to what the carriers will pay in the form of fees for use of airport infrastructure and services. In the case of Flybe, the arrangement (including a year-end rebate) was apparently contingent on total passenger throughput. A specific number of passengers was settled on for that year's deal and Flybe came up short by around 200 passengers. Therefore, they hired the required number of passengers to make the quota.

Passenger throughput is considered important because it is expected that travelers will spend money at an airport's retail venues, thereby possibly compensating for a reduction in the user fees charged to the individual airlines. I think you get the gist here.

Secondly, how do you deal with the fact that the airline emissions debate skirts, in fact systematically avoids addressing, the reality that some see airline emissions not as a problem but as a solution?

Halva, I talk with local researchers. I honestly do not see them as "avoiding" anything. They are doing their best to observe, analyze and quantify the impact of aviation emissions on atmospheric chemistry and hydrology. I do not get the impression that anyone with whom I communicate sees airline emissions as a "solution" to the climate destabilization problem.
.

[halva]

Footsoldier can you, who are so well read in the literarure, cite ONE example of a dialogue, interaction or mutual acknowlegement of existence - between an advocate of aerosol spraying and a scientist or activist concerned with the effects of aircraft emissions?

Yes or no?

The last time I brought up the subject of geoengineering at an ecological meeting, one of Greece's most prominent climate scientists said to the audience that geongineering proposals such as those of Crutzen or Keith should not be discusssed in public as public discussion would have a legitimating effect. What do you say to that?

[foot_soldier]

Columbus, Ohio
April 18, 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpcrockett/2423857879/

[foot_soldier]

Lake Erie
April 18, 2007
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vw4ross/2423915613/

[foot_soldier]

FedEx jet
March 18, 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbcnwa/2420833229/

"This FedEx DC/MD-10 was overflying GJT on a clear afternoon..."

[foot_soldier]

Virgin Atlantic jet over the UK
April 14, 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/traumahawk/2423259325/

[halva]

That's all very interesting Footsoldier, but don't you think it is worth raising the subject with the airlines emissions crowd that there are people who see all this not as a problem but as a solution?

[foot_soldier]

That's all very interesting Footsoldier, but don't you think it is worth raising the subject with the airlines emissions crowd that there are people who see all this not as a problem but as a solution?
There are very few people in any "crowd" who are willing to face the many components of this situation head-on.

At this late date I can't say as I blame them.

The troposphere is puking back at us.

[halva]

There are very few people in any "crowd" who are willing to face the many components of this situation head-on.

At this late date I can't say as I blame them.

The troposphere is puking back at us.

"Blaming" implies the existence of an adjudicator. But surely it is WE who should be promoting ourselves as the adjudicators.

[jayreynolds]

FedEx jet
March 18, 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbcnwa/2420833229/

"This FedEx DC/MD-10 was overflying GJT on a clear afternoon..."
Virgin Atlantic jet over the UK
April 14, 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/traumahawk/2423259325/

Wow, Lou and Socrates are certainly not going to like these kinds of photos.
Both of those hoaxers are dead-set on claims that ONLY MILITARY jets leave contrails like those.

It is quite obvious that those two jets are not UNMARKED, as their color schemes are instantly recognizible.

Ha-Ha- to all you gullible fools!

After all, it was FOOTSOLDIER'S own hoax that led you astray, and now she flaunts the truth right back in your faces! She knew the truth all along, but simply assimilated herself into the role of hoaxer because she wanted to see others suffer a delusion.

Something to do with MAAT, I think it was, wasn't it, dearie?

So sick you are, 'footsoldier', so sick to mislead others like that, and then deny you ever had anything to do with the chemtrails hoax.

How can you be so crassly audacious?

[jayreynolds]

This thread was started as a call out to Jay Reynolds, who may or may not be my cousin. At this point, at this compromised forum, it is fairly clear what is going on. It's called astroturfing.
]

Correct, in fact this thread was an attack thread created by 'footsoldier' after I exposed her game.

But don't take my word for it, read the unexpurgated original version on page one of the archive, then compare it to 'footsoldiers' edited version now in place:
Original flavor:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061028205734/http://www.debatebothsides.com/archive/index.php/t-19113.html
New and improved:
http://debatebothsides.com/archive/index.php/t-19113.html

Any wonder people are confused about you, footsoldier?
Looks like you can't be trusted, but then again, I told everyone that ten years ago!
Ha!

[halva]

Jay Reynolds is trying to get Lou and Socrates back into this forum. What a chump!

This individual, if he had chosen to., could have been part of an informed and intelligent public response to the chemtrail phenomenon. Perhaps he could even have been the leader we don't have. He could have shown Footsoldier what to do, instead of relentlessly attacking her as if SHE is the problem.

He has chosen to be an irrelevant and pathetic nuisance, who will gain nothing from this whole chemtrails story other than universal contempt. From ALL parties, including his own. Stange thing, human nature, isn/t it?

And he is even PROUD to claim that he has done all this WITHOUT being paid for it. As a volunteer!!!

[Jeff Reynolds]

Yes, FootSoldier is insidious. She has been on these chemtrail boards from the beginning. She has more in common with Jay Reynolds than Halvar, and she has nothing in common with Rosalind Peterson. She has plenty in common with Yaak/Ed Snell/Cydoniaquest.

None of these people are honest debaters. The only good thing about Jay is that he doesn't hide that he is a paid freeper troll.

Cousin, this is weather modification. The military is involved, but this is not all about military. Think UCAR, NASA, the atmospheric scientists, NCAR, NOAA.

Jay, tell your people to stop making the fake clouds at 20,000 feet. Those are too low for your hoax to make any sense.

How come it's taking you so long to get your weather mitigation bills made into law? Is it because no one wants that shit, so you're forced to run out the clock with this crazy Halvar and Lord Spray Show?

You sure have interacted a lot with Yaak/Ed Snell/Cydoniaquest. over the years. Where are any threads where you attacked him when he was saying chemtrails were real?

All of you are nothing but intel sluts fooling no one.



Chemtrails are weather modification and blocking out uv-b rays, numbnuts.

Good job, though, calling out "Ms. NSA/CIA who doesn't believe in chemtrails,"

It's not your fault that a real person figured out the script.

http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org

[foot_soldier]

It must be a real rush knowing there's a place on the Web where one can indulge in infinitely malicious character assassination as long as they're not breaking any "rules."

Kind of like the Bush administration, where anything goes as long as it's "legal."

[halva]

Jeff Reynolds I am inviting you to the HELADA forum. Take up my invitation, or take up Footsoldier's invitation, or take up both of them. But desist from this gutless and brainless slander of Footsoldier.

And if you want to talk to Jay Reynolds, come and talk to him at the HELADA forum, where you will have an intelligent audience.

The real show that is going on is a Jeff Reynolds/Jay Reynolds show. And everyone is sick ot it!!! We are nevertheless not going to leave this forum in order for it to be taken over by you.

[halva]

It must be a real rush knowing there's a place on the Web where one can indulge in infinitely malicious character assassination as long as they're not breaking any "rules."

Kind of like the Bush administration, where anything goes as long as it's "legal."

I agree, Footsoldier, that it is the moderating policy here at DBS that is the root of the evil. You, Jeff Reynolds and Jay Reynolds could all be accommodated at the HELADA forum without us having the trouble we are having here. I invite you to come over.

[halva]

There is no "right of free speech" at the HELADA forum, nor any toleration of appeals to the "right of free speech": Anyone who offends the rules of etiquette is OUT, permanently.

The ruling class protects its own discourse in this way also.

Who says that they are entitled to discuss things calmly and logically while we must inhabit a permanent intellectual slum? Unfortunately that is the rule at DBS.

[halva]

It must be a real rush knowing there's a place on the Web where one can indulge in infinitely malicious character assassination as long as they're not breaking any "rules."

Kind of like the Bush administration, where anything goes as long as it's "legal."


Footsoldier, you have a grievance here which I agree with.

The options open to you are

1) accept the solution I have proposed.

2) propose an alternative solution yourself, not only to Jeff Reynolds but also to Jay Reynolds

3) agree that you yourself are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

[foot_soldier]

Running the Numbers
An American Self-Portrait
http://www.chrisjordan.com/

This series looks at contemporary American culture through the austere lens of statistics. Each image portrays a specific quantity of something: fifteen million sheets of office paper (five minutes of paper use); 106,000 aluminum cans (thirty seconds of can consumption) and so on. My hope is that images representing these quantities might have a different effect than the raw numbers alone, such as we find daily in articles and books. Statistics can feel abstract and anesthetizing, making it difficult to connect with and make meaning of 3.6 million SUV sales in one year, for example, or 2.3 million Americans in prison, or 410,000 paper cups used every fifteen minutes. This project visually examines these vast and bizarre measures of our society, in large intricately detailed prints assembled from thousands of smaller photographs. The underlying desire is to emphasize the role of the individual in a society that is increasingly enormous, incomprehensible, and overwhelming.

My only caveat about this series is that the prints must be seen in person to be experienced the way they are intended. As with any large artwork, their scale carries a vital part of their substance which is lost in these little web images. Hopefully the JPEGs displayed here might be enough to arouse your curiosity to attend an exhibition, or to arrange one if you are in a position to do so. The series is a work in progress, and new images will be posted as they are completed, so please stay tuned.

~chris jordan, Seattle, 2007

***

Jet Trails, 2007

60" x 96"

Depicts 11,000 jet trails, equal to the number of commercial flights in the US every eight hours.

Detail at actual size:

http://www.chrisjordan.com/images/current2/1176155095.jpg

[halva]

Don't respond to this posting by Footsoldier Jeff or Jay Reynolds or May41970. There is no need to do so. This is the approach she has chosen and that's that.

[foot_soldier]

May 4, 2008
Trying to Lighten That Carbon Footprint
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/travel/04green.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/04/travel/04green600.jpg

IN February, on a chilly, clear Sunday morning, Sir Richard Branson, president of Virgin Atlantic, along with the co-sponsors Boeing and GE Aviation, lured more than 200 journalists to a hangar at Heathrow Airport near London to witness what they said was airline history. Over flutes of Champagne and plates of mini-bagels filled with salmon, everyone’s eyes were fixed on a 747 as it took off on the world’s first biofuel demonstration flight.

Never mind that only one of the plane’s engines used biofuel, and that was about 25 percent mixed with standard kerosene jet fuel. It was still significant, given that air travel is the fastest-growing source of global greenhouse gases, and the race to find an alternative to kerosene is now crucial. The biofuel used — a combination of coconut and babassu (a Brazilian tree) oil, which Mr. Branson pretended to drink that day like an island cocktail from a coconut shell — worked in this very small test. But even its developers, Imperium Renewables, are aware it could never become a substitute for what John Plaza, president and chief executive of Imperium, another sponsor, says is the 87 billion gallons of fuel needed each year to fly the world’s airline fleet.

“This is just a first-generation product,” Mr. Plaza said. “But the test was meaningful in that it showed that a biofuel was viable with the infrastructure in a commercial jet.” Imperium created the fuel from oils harvested from existing plantations, but Mr. Plaza said he believed that algae was the fuel of the future. “You would only need the landmass of West Virginia,” he said, “to make enough fuel to replace aviation’s demand for kerosene.”

Still, the environmental group Friends of the Earth was quick to criticize the Virgin event as a public relations stunt, restating its view that carbon savings from biofuels are negligible, and the now well-publicized position that growing crops for alternative fuels cuts into the land available to grow food. “There is a finite amount of land for food,” said Kate Horner, a climate and energy campaigner for Friends of the Earth, “and using it for the expanded production of fuel is driving deforestation, which accounts for one-fourth to one-third of our global emissions.”

In recent weeks such arguments have gained credibility worldwide, threatening the very core of the biofuel movement. On April 11, in a Washington meeting of global finance ministers to address rising food costs, some ministers from poorer countries suggested the West rethink alternative fuel policies in light of a growing food shortage. On the same day, a European environmental advisory panel asked the European Union to consider scrapping its plan to have at least 10 percent of transportation fuel come from biofuels by the year 2020.

Mr. Plaza said the biofuel industry was receiving too much blame for the food crisis. “There are many factors, like drought, that are causing the problem,” he said. “And for those of us looking for funding to develop future biofuels that do not rely on feed stocks, it makes it very hard given all the negative press.”

Few in the transportation world dispute that solutions must be found. According to the International Civil Aviation Authority, more than 2.2 billion people flew last year, and though commercial flights account for only 2 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, the International Panel on Climate Change recently stated its concerns that aerosols in jet engine exhaust may be depleting the ozone at two to four times the rate of ground-level carbon dioxide. Add to that Boeing’s prediction that by 2025 the global fleet will have doubled to 36,000 planes, and the need to find answers seems unquestionable..... (continued)

Corroboration regarding the impact of elevated atmospheric CO2 concentration on stratospheric ozone depletion:

Ozone depletion
http://www.ciesin.org/docs/011-466/011-466.html

Excerpt:

Chemical processes controlling stratospheric ozone

About 90 per cent of the Earth's protective ozone layer resides in the stratosphere between 15km and 50km altitude (Figure 1). Molecular oxygen is broken down in the stratosphere by solar radiation to yield atomic oxygen, which then combines with molecular oxygen to produce ozone. Ozone is destroyed naturally through a series of catalytic cycles involving oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen and to a lesser extent chlorine and bromine species. The abundance of stratospheric ozone is therefore chemically controlled by the stratospheric abundances of compounds containing hydrogen, nitrogen, chlorine and bromine. Increases in the abundances of methane and nitrous oxide (sources of hydrogen and nitrogen oxides respectively) thus affect the abundance and distribution of stratospheric ozone.

Stratospheric ozone is also affected by the abundance of carbon dioxide (CO2), because the rates of the chemical reactions that control the abundance of ozone are temperature-dependent, and the abundance of CO2 plays a key role in determining the temperature structure of the stratosphere..... END excerpt

NEW RESEARCH SUGGESTS GLOBAL WARMING WILL BOOST OZONE DEPLETION.
http://archive.greenpeace.org/climate/database/records/zgpz0545.html

Excerpt:

A UK Meteorological Office climate model shows that doubling carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere would generate an Antarctic-type ozone hole in the the Arctic.

John Austin, Neil Butchart and Keith Shine, climate modellers from the Met Office and Reading University, ran a model simulating conditions in the stratosphere in a world where atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations had been allowed to double - the kind of world, in other words, that we will be living in within less than 50 years if we keep emitting carbon dioxide at around present-day levels.

The global warming predicted in the troposphere (the lower part of the atmosphere) has the effect of cooling the stratosphere (the upper part of the atmosphere). This cooling is compounded, of course, by the ongoing loss of ozone in the stratosphere: decreasing ozone, absorbing less solar ultraviolet radiation, meaning less heating of the stratosphere. The main point is that together, the two cooling effects promote the formation of polar stratospheric clouds (PSCs) in much greater volumes than today. The profoundly bad news is that, in this new model, PSCs build up to such an extent that an ozone hole akin to the one over Antarctica appears in the northern hemisphere - an ozone hole with nearly 100 percent ozone depletion in parts of the lower stratosphere.

Austin et al conclude: "During the next few decades, chlorine is expected to increase then decrease, while carbon dioxide is expected to increase continuously. It is therefore likely that a combination of conditions will occur during the next 50 years which will give rise to an Arctic ozone hole unless both carbon dioxide and chlorine emissions are curbed." The authors also conclude: "the occurrence of an Arctic ozone hole directly as a result of increased carbon dioxide could be one of the most serious consequences of climatic change."..... END excerpt

[foot_soldier]

Update: Holland
January 1 through April 26, 2008
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-1/magicgallery/8overflow.htm

[foot_soldier]

Update: Holland
April 27 through May 24, 2008
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-1/magicgallery/25overflow.htm

[foot_soldier]

Coming up for air...

[halva]

Coming up for air...

Who is Corporal Upham, Footsoldier, and what is the relevance of his comment?

[foot_soldier]

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[halva]

Did you see this video, Footsoldier??
http://www.enouranois.gr/video/saintesenglishmikro.wmv


Would you like to become a signatory to the Saintes Appeal?

Do you think it could be useful that we were able to hold a well-attended (and non-debunked) workshop on geoengineering at the rally in Saintes??

[Lou]

Who is Corporal Upham, Footsoldier, and what is the relevance of his comment?

Wayne_It's a reference to the fictional character 'Timothy E. Upham' in the movie "Saving private Ryan" (1998)

I've never actually seen the movie, I've only heard and read about it, I'm not sure where FS is going with it.
___________________________

http://www.sproe.com/u/upham.html

"Upham's attempts to socialize with his new comrades were awkward and unsuccessful."

[halva]

I do a search on "Corporal Upham" and the only references I pick up are these last couple of posts.

[Lou]

I do a search on "Corporal Upham" and the only references I pick up are these last couple of posts.

Hmmmm,.....no doubt another well kept secret by our government like Chemtrails.

What search engine are you using :confused:, Google provides, ( Results 1 - 10 of about 3,540 for Cpl. Timothy P. Upham. (0.46 seconds)

[halva]

I meant a search of this forum to see how Corporal Upham came into our discussion here.

[Lou]

I meant a search of this forum to see how Corporal Upham came into our discussion here.

I see, I thought you meant a web search.

Maybe FS will clue us in on why this particular quote from a fictional character, my guess is that it has something to do with the fictional characters here at DBS, maybe not, I really don't know Wayne.

[halva]

It doesn't matter. What do you think of this?

IAHF List: Please print this out, you're going to need the information and so will everyone you know.

The ruling elite have devised chemtrails as a means of covertly microchipping us all in order to create antennas inside of us via nanotechnology so as to make us totally controllable via a "psychocivilized" (electronically mind controlled) society. Using HAARP microwave antennas, the National Security Agency (NSA) can establish a seamless computer link direct to our brains, but first they're using chemtrails to get the nanoparticles into us which are reassembling in our bodies to form the antennas. WE CAN STOP THIS OUTRAGEOUS INVASION OF OUR BODIES & MINDS!

When people got angry and complained about the name and highly sinister logo (see above) of DARPA's "Information Awareness Office", the name of the office was "sanitized" by changing it to the "Terrorist Information Awareness Office"....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness

(Guess who the supposed "terrorists" are? (All of US....) IAHF is sick of this covert Nazi crap, and we're putting an END to the New World Order's little game right NOW via detailed derailment instructions provided in this email so that you can cleanse the chemtrail garbage from your body along with a plea for assistance from a whistleblower:

Through this chemtrail issue we see the real reason for Codex. The ruling elite are trying to BLOCK our access to the herbs discussed in this email which we can use to REMOVE the nano-particles from the chemtrails to keep them from being able to reassemble inside our bodies to form the ANTENNAs inside of us via which they intend to totally control our minds. They're trying to kill off 90% of us and control everyone else remaining, but we don't have to allow it, and we sure don't have to play this game.

As explained in my last post, chemtrails contain a nasty mix of parasites, pathogens, toxic heavy metals including barium and aluminum, and worst of all- high tech nano engineered particles designed in a lab to assemble themselves inside our bodies into nanomachines which will microchip us from the inside unless we do cleanses to remove the particles to keep them from assembling inside our bodies.

Below you'll see instructions on how to do a simple test that will prove to you that you have these nano particles in your body right now, and you'll find information on how to detox this garbage and get it out of your body- this is very serious and is not a joke.

All of us will need to begin a process of herbal cleanses to detox this stuff, and in this message you'll find complete information on how to protect yourself. I have already begun the process, and strongly urge all of you to as well and that you alert everyone you know to follow suit unless you don't mind living in a psychocivilized society in which everyone is being totally controlled by electronic mind control and there is no more privacy whatsoever, of any kind.

A PLEA FROM A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO NEEDS OUR HELP

Lest you scoff at this, and take the view that this is "not possible", please know that I was just contacted annonymously by a whistleblower going by the name "Dr. Ian Revson" operating from inside a major defense contractor where he works as a pharmacologist in bioinformatics who posts on Curezone under the name "sunver". See http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1206933

He is writing an e-book about the immense threat posed by chemtrails and needs help disseminating information in advance of finishing his book to help protect his life. (See links to some of his articles below)

Here is a sample from one of Revson's articles:"'CHEMTRAILS' are a component of an integrated atmospheric weapons system , which has multiple purposes, including weather modification, population control, advanced surveillance, biological warfare, and artificial intelligence. In North America and Europe, the program is run under the auspices of the Pentagon and NATO, obviously with help from the American and European defense contractors (Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Boeing, EADS, Honeywell, etc). Many others are involved (Monsanto).
1) 'Chemtrails' are presently in operation for weather modification (disaster induction).
2) 'Chemtrails' contain nano-engineered biologics. This is a weaponized parasite. Host saturation is 99%+ . This means we are all infected. Infection includes intracellular anomalies in both human macrophage and RBC (red blood cell), apparent soft tissue fungal infection, and 'de novo' synthesis of novel foreign protein crystals."

Because he is not a pathologist, he wants our help to contact pathologists and microbiologists who can help piece the puzzle together. I have already put him in touch with one person who has a darkfield microcscope. If you can help him, please contact him at <ian.revson@gmail.com>

He says: "As hard evidence and details can be accumulated , specifically about the biologics, it may be possible to provide information to employees in the defense network encouraging non-participation, as much depends on the cooperation and ignorance of the unwitting employees of the major defense contractors."

He emails people annonymously via TOR: http://www.torproject.org/ which allows you to sent untraceable emails. He told me he must protect his access to people who have TS: SCI clearances for as long as possible in order to try to wake up as many people as possible on the inside.

There is a simple diagnostic test for the infection (the biologics nanotechnology) which can be performed for approximately $10 in materials. This is not a joke, this is extremely serious.

Using a simple red-wine mouth rinse, you can yield complex nanofibers from your gums which appear to be of fungal form containing complex internal sub-micron filament structure. EVERYONE TO DATE IS POSITIVE FOR THIS TEST. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. THE PATHOGENS MUST BE IDENTIFIED IMMEDIATELY. PLEASE HELP WITH THIS EFFORT WE NEED ACCESS TO DARKFIELD MICROSCOPES, CRYO-TEM, AND POLYMERASE CHAIN REACTION (PCR).

Preliminary data indicates fungal form identity with similarity to fusarium solani and the 'DRIP clade', as well as possible association with weaponized mycoplasm and anodized aluminum oxide (AAO) nanotechnology. Further data indicates chemtrails infection mimics trypanosomiasis and protothecosis with synthetic features.

I REPEAT THIS IS A HIGHLY ADVANCED GOVERNMENT BIOLOGICAL AND ATMOSPHERIC WEAPONS SYSTEM IN USE AGAINST THE GENERAL PUBLIC

No one can be excluded from infection. Brush your teeth well. Rinse with water. Then Rinse your mouth vigorously for 5 minutes with 1 tsp peroxide, 2 tsp Merlot red wine. Prepare to be shocked and upset that the nanotechnology you spit out, and you may want to send a thank you note to Lockheed-Martin and their fellow war criminals.

Dr. Ian Revson's articles:

Chemtrails parasites have infected all of us (red-wine/peroxide test):
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1203532#i

Chemtrails weather modification overview:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1202980#i

Chemtrails - How 'black' programs are created:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1204689#i

Chemtrails biologics disease (questions/answers) pt 1:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1204878#i

Silentsuperbug (microscopy pictures/video/reference/therapy):

http://silentsuperbug.com
http://silentsuperbug-reference.blogspot.com

Clifford Carnicom's and Gwen Scott, N.D.'s Work

Morgellons: Pathogens and the General Population
http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs6.htm

The Wine-Peroxide Test:
http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs7.htm

Aerosol Crimes (Video Documentary):
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=aerosol+crimes&sitesearch=#

"I state clearly again that the pathogenic forms under investigation are repeatedly showing up in the general population, regardless of whether certain "skin anomalies" are present or not. The pathogenic forms were, however, first discovered as a result of examination of these same skin anomalies. The segregation of only certain individuals as having the "Morgellons" condition is completely and totally false; the general population is involved whether they would like to know of it or not. The pathogens found have now been discovered repeatedly across all major body systems and functions, including skin, blood, hair, saliva, dental(gum), digestive, ear and urinary samples."

The pathogenic forms were, however, first discovered as a result of examination of these same skin anomalies. The segregation of only certain individuals as having the "Morgellons" condition is completely and totally false; the general population is involved whether they would like to know of it or not. The pathogens found have now been discovered repeatedly across all major body systems and functions, including skin, blood, hair, saliva, dental(gum), digestive, ear and urinary samples."

-Clifford Carnicom, Mar 15 2008

[halva]

Probably the debunkers will start yapping again now.
Put them on ignore. We don't need their help to debunk anything that needs debunking.

[Lou]

Probably the debunkers will start yapping again now.
Put them on ignore. We don't need their help to debunk anything that needs debunking.

Yup_That's an invatation to them alright, just like dragging something shinny through the water, you might as well be using one of these,............:eek::D

http://www.supplierlist.com/photo_images/42344/fishing_lureBrass.jpg

[foot_soldier]

June 2008
Institute for Policy Studies
High Flyers: How Private Jet Travel is Straining the System, Warming the Planet and Costing You Money
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/

[halva]

Thanks for this Institute of Policy Studies link Footsoldier. It has some good material in it.

[foot_soldier]

Thanks for this Institute of Policy Studies link Footsoldier. It has some good material in it.
You're welcome. It's a good venue.

Moving right along here:

August 1, 2008
FACTBOX - Aviation in the EU Emissions Trading Scheme
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/49612/story.htm

LONDON - The UK's Department for Transport on Thursday clarified rules surrounding the inclusion of aviation in the EU's Emissions Trading Scheme from 2012.

Aviation generates 3 percent of all carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in the 27-member bloc but has been left out of the EU's flagship trading scheme so far due to fears it would damage the industry's ability to compete in international markets.

With air traffic set to double by 2020, however, Europe is keen to apply the "polluter pays" principle as it struggles to reduce output of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

The European Parliament voted 640 to 30 earlier this month in favour of including airlines in the scheme from 2012, forcing them to cut CO2 emissions by 3 percent in the first year, and by 5 percent from 2013 onwards.

Below are details of the plan:

THE PLAN

* All airlines flying into and out of EU airports will be included

* Instead of separate emissions caps for each of the 27 member states, one EU-wide cap will be set based on historical levels

* 2012 emissions cap to be set at 97 pct of average 2004-06 EU airline emissions

* Proposed cap of 95 pct of average 2004-06 emissions for 2013 onwards, though this is still being discussed under wider EU negotiations

* According to the EU Commission, 2004-06 average emissions were around 218 million tonnes of CO2. They are estimated to be 340 million by 2015, and over 400 million by 2020

* According to DfT, the scheme is likely to affect at least 87 major airlines, 35 of which are headquartered outside the EU.

* As head of the EU presidency, France hopes to reach a first reading agreement on the plan in December 2008

AVIATION ALLOWANCES (AAs)

* Airlines receive 85 percent of AAs for free in February 2012

* The remaining 15 percent to be auctioned by government shortly thereafter - this may change from 2013 as part of wider EU negotiations

* Every EU member state will hold an AA auction over the course of a few days in mid-2012

* There are no limitations as to who can participate or how many AAs can be bought in any of the 27 auctions - this may lead to increased volatility and speculation

* In the UK, auction revenues will not be earmarked, or 'hypothecated', to fund renewable energy projects or fight climate change

* Airlines can use EUAs, the credits traded under the EU Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS), for compliance, but heavy industry participating in the EU ETS cannot use AAs

* Airlines can also use UN-approved offsets (CERs or ERUs), the project-based credits issued under the Kyoto Protocol, to cover 15 percent of their emissions - this may change from 2013 as part of wider EU negotiations

* 3 percent of all AAs will be set aside for new operators and fast-growing airlines, defined as having growth over 18 percent per annum

EXEMPTIONS

* Flights under 5.7 tonnes

* Commercial airlines with emissions less than 10,000 tonnes of CO2 or who fly less than 243 flights into, out of or within the EU within a 4-month period

* PSOs (Public Service Obligations) on specific routes between outermost regions or where capacity does not exceed 30,000 seats

* Non-EU heads of state

Source: UK Department for Transport

(Compiled by Michael Szabo, additional reporting by Pete Harrison; Editing by Anthony Barker)

[foot_soldier]

July 30, 2008
States, environmentalists to sue EPA over greenhouse gases
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/46007.html

WASHINGTON — California, New York City, three other states and a coalition of environmental groups will file notice Thursday that they'll sue the Environmental Protection Agency to push it to regulate pollution from ocean ships and aircraft that's causing global warming.

Under the Clean Air Act, a U.S. district court can compel the EPA to take action to protect the public's welfare if the agency delays doing so for an unreasonably long time. The law requires that a notice of intent to sue be filed 180 days in advance, the step that the groups are taking now.

The timing means that any suit would be filed after President Bush leaves office. The groups concluded that they couldn't guess what the next administration would do and should be ready to sue if necessary, said Jackie Savitz of Oceana, a group that's devoted to protecting the world's oceans.

"It's basically what we have to do to maintain our progress going forward to get ships and aircraft regulated," she said.

The environmental legal-rights group Earthjustice, acting on behalf of Oceana, Friends of the Earth and the Center for Biological Diversity, planned to send the notice as a letter to the EPA. California, Connecticut, New Jersey, Oregon, New York City, the South Coast Air Quality Management District, the California Air Resources Board and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection planned to file similar notices.

Aircraft and ships are a large and growing source of carbon dioxide, the main heat-trapping gas that's causing the Earth's average temperature to increase.

The environmental groups filed petitions late last year asking the EPA to determine whether greenhouse gases from aircraft and ships endanger public health and welfare, and if they do, to regulate them as federal law requires.

The EPA issued a notice this month about future rule-making calling for a comment period. Bush opposes mandatory controls on emissions.

EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the agency plans no further steps. "EPA has been responsive to these petitions with our advanced notice of proposed rulemaking and we will continue down that path," he said.

"When we filed the petition, the EPA didn't respond. . . . (Then) they came out with a 500-page document that does everything but make a rule," Savitz said. The comment period, she said, "basically guarantees they won't have to do anything in their lifetime."

The environmental groups reported that aircraft produce 12 percent of the carbon dioxide emitted by all forms of American transportation. They also emit nitrogen oxides, which add to ozone — another greenhouse gas — and water vapor, which forms contrails — which are associated with increased cirrus cloud cover, another warming factor.

Oceana, in a new report about shipping and global warming, says the world's ocean-going vessels release nearly 3 percent of global carbon dioxide.

Oceana reported that ships could reduce those emissions by 23 percent by traveling 10 percent more slowly. The slower speed would mean a 23 percent fuel savings as well, it said.

Oceana's report "Shipping Impacts on Climate: A Source With Solutions": www.oceana.org/climate/shipping-impacts

[foot_soldier]

Update: Holland through August 11, 2008
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-2/magicgallery/12overflow.htm

[foot_soldier]

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[jayreynolds]

http://debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?p=985532&highlight=bitch#post985532

[halva]

As if anyone is going to follow up a link posted by Jay Reynolds.

[Lou]

As if anyone is going to follow up a link posted by Jay Reynolds.

Really, any bets that it's just one of his old attack post? :rolleyes:;)

When the Arkansas Onion Farmer crawls out into the daylight he generates about much interest with his old BS as Jeffy Boy and may41970, his tired old attacks on everyone just don't generate the responses they use to (at least no the kind he wants) because everyone knows what he is all about, he should find a new hobby, this one wore out years ago.:rolleyes:

[foot_soldier]

September 2008
Global and Arctic climate engineering: numerical model studies
Ken Caldeira and Lowell Wood
http://journals.royalsociety.org/content/84j11614488142u8/fulltext.pdf

September 2008
Geoscale engineering to avert dangerous climate change
http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1814

It is now recognised that the developed world is struggling to meet its carbon-reduction targets, while emissions by China and India have soared. Meanwhile, signs suggest that the climate is even more sensitive to atmospheric CO2 levels than was previously thought.

Frustrated by the delays of politicians, scientists (including some at the highest levels) have for a number of years been proposing major 'last minute' schemes that might be needed if it were suddenly shown that the climate was in a state of imminent collapse. These geo–scale interventions are undoubtedly risky: but the time may come when they are universally perceived to be less risky than doing nothing.

For these reasons, it seems a good time to draw together a collection of these macro–engineering options, and to subject them to critical appraisal by acknowledged experts in the field. Emphasis is given to strategies for carbon sequestration, and albedo management to reduce the net amount of solar energy impacting and being retained by the Earth.

As a useful building block for this Theme, we have drawn particularly on a core of (updated) papers that were presented at a meeting at the Newton Institute (Cambridge) on climate engineering..... (continued at link)

[foot_soldier]

Update: Holland through September 11:
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-2/magicgallery/15overflow.htm

Beautiful, eh?

How people can see this mess overhead and think / feel nothing is beyond me.

[foot_soldier]

http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-2/magicgallery/cc-20080811-200446.htm

[halva]

Update: Holland through September 11:
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-2/magicgallery/15overflow.htm

Beautiful, eh?

How people can see this mess overhead and think / feel nothing is beyond me.

Do you support Lou's views on Kevin Martin, Footsoldier???

This is a perfectly concrete question and I think deserves an unambiguous answer.

We must move beyond general expressions of dismay, addressed to the world in general including our most relentless enemies. Do you disagree with this?

[Lou]

I have nothing to add to this thread at this time, I'm just stepping on the STINKING TROLL that's smelling the place up. :D

[Lou]

***ON TOP OF THE TROLL SHIT*** :D

[Lou]

Artist So Often Capture The Reality Of Our Lives

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/family_dees.jpg

[halva]

That's a great photo. Thanks.

[foot_soldier]

Do you support Lou's views on Kevin Martin, Footsoldier???

This is a perfectly concrete question and I think deserves an unambiguous answer.

We must move beyond general expressions of dismay, addressed to the world in general including our most relentless enemies. Do you disagree with this?
I'm not familiar with Kevin Martin.

As for "moving beyond general expressions of dismay, addressed to the world in general...", this is just a thread on an Internet forum. I submit updates here from time to time because I am interested in maintaining a running chronology on the subject matter of this thread. That's about it.

I do what I can in my personal life and see no need to share that here.

[halva]

The question is not one of personal life but of strategy. There is a disagreement here which it would be in our interests to try to clarify.

The fact that you want to treat this place as a notice board addressed to nobody in particular is comprehensible given the record of debunker harrassment here, but not for any other reason.

Some of us have been trying against the odds to maintain some kind of coordinated and collective presence here.

[Lou]

Because I know Kevin Martin's past debunking at CTC so well I'm just a tad doubtful about him changing his ways.:confused:

[foot_soldier]

The question is not one of personal life but of strategy. There is a disagreement here which it would be in our interests to try to clarify.

The fact that you want to treat this place as a notice board addressed to nobody in particular is comprehensible given the record of debunker harrassment here, but not for any other reason.

Some of us have been trying against the odds to maintain some kind of coordinated and collective presence here.
If you guys want to pursue "clarification" of Kevin Martin's position that's your business. I don't know anything about this person and in any case am not interested, thank you.

If you don't find the information in this thread at all useful, that's OK. Some people apparently do, however.

[halva]

Who???

Ignore this question too, if you like. No doubt you will.

What is wrong with MEGA as a public outlet, where you have the advantage of support from the higher-ups?

I don't mind you posting here, of course, as long as you don't serve as a trigger for debunker rantings. But you must admit, you are not very friendly.

[foot_soldier]

27 September 2008
Govt wants aviation excluded from renewables target
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/economy-and-finance/energy/govt-wants-aviation-excluded-from-renewables-target-$1242447.htm

The government has admitted it does not approve of aircraft being subject to the EU's target of taking 20 per cent of all energy from renewable sources by 2020 because it believes the sector would struggle to meet this goal.

The news was condemned by Friends of the Earth's (FoE) energy campaigner Robin Webster, who said the government was "acting disgracefully".

"It must stop attempting to sabotage European renewable energy plans and trying to wriggle out of its promise to deliver 15 per cent of our power from green sources by 2020," he said.

"EU renewable energy plans are an essential part of its climate change strategy - ignoring aviation would be like going on a calorie-controlled diet but refusing to count calories from chocolate."

But a spokesperson from the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (Berr) said the UK had to meet its renewable energy target "in a credible and cost-effective way".

"The aviation sector is included in the EU's emissions trading scheme where it will be required to make significant emissions reductions so it plays its part in tackling climate change," she said.

"The UK believes the renewables target should apply to sectors where renewable energy can be realistically rolled out within the next 12 years.

"Aviation is already excluded from the ten per cent renewable transport fuel target - which also forms part of this directive - because biofuel technology for aircraft is many years away."

FoE accuses the government of giving the aviation industry "special treatment", citing the climate change bill currently going through parliament as an example.

This, they point out, excludes international aviation and shipping from the target it sets.

The Liberal Democrats' environment spokesperson Steve Webb said the government was "doing all it can" to undermine climate change action.

"The growth in emissions from aviation is one of the biggest threats to the climate, yet ministers seem to be at the beck and call of the aviation industry," he said.

"Britain has such a poor record on renewables precisely because of a lack of commitment by successive governments. This attempt to weasel out of our obligations under the new renewables target shows that nothing has changed."

[Lou]

27 September 2008
Govt wants aviation excluded from renewables target
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/economy-and-finance/energy/govt-wants-aviation-excluded-from-renewables-target-$1242447.htm

Obviously there is going to be a good deal of resistance from those industries that are addicted to the oil based paradigm, changing that is going to come with the cost of a junkies withdrawal from Heroin I'm afraid.

[halva]

But how much is EU policy really better, and how much is it serving other undeclared agendas which really do have to be rendered transparent?

I don't have the answer to these questions, and I would like to have.

British Liberal Democrats cannot be relied on to shed light on anything. They must suffer from the lowest level of consciousness of any of the parties. It is the inverse side of their "sincerity".

[Lou]

This is interesting, look what DARPA has been up to .
________________________________

http://www.enn.com/press_releases/2663

From: Energy & Environmental Research Center (EERC)
Published September 29, 2008 04:16 PM

EERC Creates First 100% Renewable Jet Fuel

GRAND FORKS, N.D. — The Energy & Environmental Research Center (EERC) at the University of North Dakota has achieved a major technical milestone in creating a 100% renewable domestic fuel that meets the JP-8 aviation fuel screening criteria, proving a pathway to providing energy security to the U.S. military and the entire nation.

EERC fuel samples created from multiple renewable feedstocks were tested at a U.S. government facility to evaluate key specification parameters for JP-8, a petroleum-based fuel widely used by the U.S. military. JP-8 specifications include parameters such as freeze point, density, flash point, energy content, and others; all of which were met by the EERC fuel samples.

The EERC fuel was produced under a $4.7 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). The Department of Defense is the largest consumer of petroleum in America, and securing a domestic fuel source is a key operational challenge for the military. Production is now under way to produce a large fuel sample for engine testing this fall.

“This builds on a solid foundation of expertise at the EERC in the area of alternative fuel production,”? said EERC Director Gerald Groenewold. “The EERC is now uniquely positioned to provide drop-in-compatible JP-8 fuel from both fossil and renewable feedstocks, providing critical strategic opportunities for the U.S. military as well as commercial aviation.”?

The technology takes advantage of feedstock chemistry to reduce capital and operating expenses. The feedstock-flexible process can use various crop oils and waste greases. The process can be tailored to produce combinations of propane, gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel that are identical to petroleum-derived fuels, enabling direct substitution with existing fuels and providing renewable options across the spectrum of fuel needs.

The EERC is actively exploring partnerships with the private sector to move into full-scale production of the fuel. Preliminary negotiations are under way with feedstock suppliers and oil refineries. Talks of building a large-scale Advanced Tactical Fuels Production Complex are ongoing.

About the EERC

The EERC is recognized as one of the world’s leading developers of cleaner, more efficient energy technologies as well as environmental technologies to protect and clean our air, water, and soil. The EERC, a high-tech, nonprofit division of the University of North Dakota (UND), operates like a business and pursues an entrepreneurial, market-driven approach to research and development in order to successfully demonstrate and commercialize innovative technologies. Since 1987, the EERC has had over 1000 clients in all 50 states and 50 countries. In FY2008, more than 80 percent of its contracts were funded by nonfederal entities. The EERC’s current contract portfolio is more than $227 million. www.undeerc.org.

The above project is sponsored by the U.S. Army Research Office and is financially supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Disclaimer: The views and conclusions contained in this document are those of the authors and should not be interpreted as representing the official policies, either expressly or implied, of the U.S. Army, DARPA, or the U.S. Government

Contact Info: Derek Walters,
Communications Manager
(701) 777-5113, dwalters@undeerc.org

[halva]

JP8 is the fuel that makes possible "enriched" emissions. Right??

And now it can be produced from non-fossil sources, diverting resources from food production. And marketed as environmentally friendly.

[Lou]

JP8 is the fuel that makes possible "enriched" emissions. Right??

And now it can be produced from non-fossil sources, diverting resources from food production. And marketed as environmentally friendly.

I believe the quality of Jet fuel (JP-8) depends on where it's produced and of course Military Jet fuel can be full of sulfur and a host of other additives which pollute far more than commercial grade JP-8 fuel does, at least that's what I have read about it anyway.

If we can use natural renewable oils and recycled waste greases and cooking oils then McDonalds alone should be able to supply the U.S. with enough to keep all of the airlines flying.:eek::cool::D

[foot_soldier]

October 9, 2008
EU to urge other states to curb aviation emissions
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE4983KN20081009?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union will press countries outside the bloc to include aviation in their current or future schemes for curbing emissions of greenhouse gases, its transport ministers decided on Thursday.

The 27-nation bloc plans to include aviation from 2012 in its Emission Trading Scheme (ETS), a key tool in its flagship program to fight climate change.

The ministers agreed that the EU executive, the European Commission, should try to convince other countries to do the same, either in current trading schemes or as part of an envisaged global deal.

"The council (of ministers) requests the Commission to engage with third countries on the EU ETS to explore possibilities for such states to introduce equivalent measures," the ministers said in a statement.

"It requests the Commission to promote the application of these provisions, in particular in the framework of aviation agreements with third countries."

The EU hopes to finalize its climate package, but some member states are seeking significant changes that may delay its final approval. Airlines account for about 3 percent of global discharges of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main gas blamed for global warming.

The planned law covers internal and external flights to and from EU airports. It marks the first time the bloc is capping transport emissions and follows a doubling of airline emissions in Europe over the past 20 years.

The EU is seeking to persuade the United States, the world's biggest greenhouse-gas emitter, as well as countries such as China and India, to negotiate a new global treaty against climate change after 2012.

[foot_soldier]

Update: Holland
Through September 29, 2008
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-2008-2/magicgallery/33overflow.htm

[foot_soldier]

The party's over. Time to start cleaning up.

[foot_soldier]

JOURNAL OF AIRCRAFT
Vol. 44, No. 5, September–October 2007

Overview on Contrail and Cirrus Cloud Avoidance Technology

F. Noppel and R. Singh
Cranfield University, Bedfordshire, MK43 0AL England, United Kingdom

pdf.aiaa.org/jaPreview/JA/2007/PVJA28655.pdf

Excerpt:

Contrail cirrus clouds evolve from spreading persistent contrails
and can cover large areas [5]. Studies suggest the area covered by
contrail cirrus to be 10 times the area covered by linear persistent
contrails [6]. Secondary cirrus form due to locally increased
atmospheric aircraft soot and aerosol concentrations which would
not form in the absence of air traffic [7–9]. Additionally, an indirect
RF of aircraft induced particles is possible by modifying natural
cirrus clouds [10]. Although the estimate of the RF (radiative forcing)
from contrail cirrus, secondary cirrus, and cirrus cloud modification
is uncertain at the current level of understanding, there is the potential
that it exceeds the RF of all other emissions from air traffic combined [3].

Concerns regarding the environmental impact from persistent
contrails, contrail cirrus, secondary cirrus, and cirrus cloud
modification (PCC) have initiated the search for methods and
technologies to avoid their formation. The mechanisms involved in
the formation of PCC are multidisciplinary and make this a
challenging task. They range over aircraft emissions, plume
chemistry, aircraft wake dynamics, ice microphysics and radiative
properties, the state of the atmosphere within the flight corridors,
atmospheric dispersion rates, and engine technology. The next
section reviews key processes involved in the formation of PCC from
which abatement strategies are deduced and presented subsequently.

END excerpt.

[foot_soldier]

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[Lou]

***BUMP***

[foot_soldier]

Interesting.

And, yes, this is relevant to the thread topic and the contents herein.

One wonders why the aerosol emissions from commercial aviation aren't mentioned along with "limiting (of) car and power-plant emissions" since their almost continuous presence at cruise altitude over many parts of the world does have a measurable impact on atmospheric composition and thermal transport.

October 10, 2008
Cutting air pollution in cities may raise global temps, says scientist
http://www.enn.com/lifestyle/article/38388

POTSDAM, Germany -- Cleaning air in Beijing and in other large cities suffering from pollution problems by limiting car and power-plant emissions may raise global temperatures instead of lowering them, a German scientist warns.

Aerosols, or particles suspended in air, have a cooling effect on the Earth, countering global warming linked to carbon dioxide, said Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research.

A drop in aerosols in the atmosphere could cause a "rapid" rise in temperatures, he said.

Airborne pollutants act as an umbrella worldwide while CO2 provides insulation, trapping heat attempting to escape into the atmosphere. A rise in temperature because of declines in aerosols in the atmosphere can be offset by slashing CO2 emissions, he said. By not reducing carbon output, humanity "is closing the last door we have through which we can possibly influence the global climate," Schellnhuber said.

October 9, 2008
Clean-Air Policies May Accelerate Warming Trend, Scientist Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aNy2pInxOZi0&refer=home

Oct. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Cleaning air in Beijing and in other large cities suffering from pollution problems by limiting car and power-plant emissions may raise global temperatures instead of lowering them, according to a German scientist.

Aerosols, or particles suspended in air, have a cooling effect on the Earth, countering global warming linked to carbon dioxide, said Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research. A drop in aerosols in the atmosphere could cause a ``rapid'' rise in temperatures, he said.

Airborne pollutants act as an umbrella worldwide while CO2 provides insulation, trapping heat attempting to escape into the atmosphere. A rise in temperature because of declines in aerosols in the atmosphere can be offset by slashing CO2 emissions, he said. By not reducing carbon output, humanity "is closing the last door we have through which we can possibly influence the global climate,'' Schellnhuber said.

There's a 50-50 chance of limiting the global temperature rise to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) before 2100, which would avert some of the worst damage of climate change, Schellnhuber said. It's "urgent'' that the United Nations-sponsored climate-change talks this December in Poznan, Poland, and next year in Copenhagen reach an agreement to limit CO2, he added.

"There is really no time to spare,'' he said today in a Berlin interview. "Technology will play a decisive role in limiting carbon but we have to move to a carbon-free world by the end of the century.''

[halva]

The Tyndall Institute (Schellnhuber is still on the board there too) made a special attempt to contact me as "member of the Secretariat of ATTAC-Hellas" through multiple changes of address in order to send me the latest copy of their magazine.

Does this really mean they are open to the kind of dialogue that they would get with "chemmies", albeit politically disciplined ones able to resist the impulse to engage in Oedipal abuse.

It is a shame that you are so inflexible, Footsoldier.

[foot_soldier]

November 13, 2008
Fedex pledges to slash aircraft emissions
Company claims aircraft emissions are down 3.7 per cent and vehicle fuel efficiency up 13.7 per cent in past three years
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2230513/fedex-announces-emissions

Logistics and delivery giant FedEx has announced plans to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from its aircraft fleet by 20 per cent and improve the fuel efficiency of its vehicle fleet by 20 per cent.

The company said this week that it had already reduced aircraft carbon dioxide emissions by 3.7 per cent per available ton mile over the past three years and improved vehicle fuel efficiency by 13.7 percent, but was now looking to accelerate efforts to cut its carbon footprint.

Chief executive Frederick Smith hailed the new targets as evidence of the company's recognition "that one of the most responsible steps we and the industrial sector can take for our businesses, society and the environment is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels".

FedEx already operates the largest fleet of commercial hybrid electric trucks in North America with more than 170 vehicles, that the company claims boast an fuel efficiency of 42 per cent compared to its standard trucks.

It said it will now seek to expand this fleet further and also step up efforts to ensure delivery routes are optimised so that the smallest possible vehicle is used on any given route.

The company has also begun upgrading its 650-strong aircraft fleet by replacing narrow-body Boeing 727 aircraft with more efficient Boeing 757 planes reducing fuel consumption by 36 per cent while providing 20 per cent more payload capacity.

It will also replace older MD-11 planes with Boeing 777 aircraft that provide greater payload capacity and use 18 per cent less fuel.

The company said that in addition to upgrading its fleets it is looking at a number of other efficiency measures, including working on jet fuel efficiency and powering gate-stationed planes from ground sources rather than having engines running - an initiative it claims could save some one million gallons of fuel per month.

The company also operates three solar-powered freight sorting facilities in California which take some 40 per cent of their energy from solar panels on the roof and is working on a similar 1.4MW solar power system in Germany that is scheduled to be completed in 2010.

[foot_soldier]

11 November 2008
European tax on U.S. airlines heading for legal challenge
European Union imposes tougher pollution limits.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/business/stories/other/11/11/1111airlines.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=3

LONDON — A new European Union rule imposing tougher pollution limits on U.S. airlines violates international law, U.S. government officials say, and will probably result in a legal challenge.

All airlines flying in or out of the EU will have to cut emissions of carbon dioxide, a gas considered a major contributor to global warming, 3 percent in 2012 and 5 percent starting the next year. They can exceed those limits but will have to pay for permits to do so.

U.S. airlines are outraged, saying that complying with the rule will raise costs for their passengers and threaten the companies' survival during a severe economic downturn.

"The whole thing is about punishing anybody who dares to use any form of fossil fuel to travel, do business or just live," said Mike Boyd, an aviation industry consultant with the Boyd Group in Evergreen, Colo. "In this matter, the EU is nothing more than a PTA on steroids. Airlines are in for tough times."

The top three U.S. international carriers — Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines and Texas-based American Airlines and Continental Airlines — say they have asked the Air Transport Association to speak on their behalf in this matter.

"Masquerading under the banner of supposedly 'protecting' the environment, these measures threaten to stifle the growth of the industry, compromise our environmental progress and, ultimately, raise prices for consumers, leaving them to take alternative, less safe, higher-emitting modes of transportation," association President James May said in a recent statement.

He said the EU action violates the Chicago Convention of 1944 under which nations agreed to work cooperatively on aviation.

Carl Burleson, director of the Federal Aviation Administration's Office of Environment and Energy, said the EU rule violates international law and reverses the progress that is being made with ongoing fuel-efficiency and environmental innovations.

He said that if the EU fails to respond to a recent letter outlining the U.S. government's opposition to the rule, the matter would probably be brought before a global governing body.

"The problem is that the EU wants to unilaterally compel the United States and others into their system," he said.

Critics say it could cost as much as $4.5 billion a year to bring airlines into what is known as the European Emissions Trading Scheme, part of a broader EU push for greenhouse gas emissions to be 20 percent less than 1990 levels by 2020.

EU interior ministers who approved the measure last month at a meeting in Luxembourg say they are looking out for the environment.

"The main objective of the new law is to reduce the impact of aviation on climate change, given the rapid growth of this sector," they said in a statement.

Cait Weston of the nonprofit Aviati