Normal Contrails: Some Sanity

[Lou]

'Jeffie Boy' said,

"Same with all you fucks, every last one of you"
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Oooooooooo,.......Getting desperate 'Jeffie' for something of value to say, how about some more of your BS on 'Will Thomas' according to you, how he has purged his website, OMFG_ IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY AND WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND COOKED UP_THE SHIT_WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED FOR DOING ALL OF THE CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING GOING ON AROUND THE PLANET_YES IT'S ALL OUR FAULT-YOU HAVE CAUGHT US RED HANDED OH GREAT SLEUTH JEFFIE BOY_Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,Haaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa, Oh man, your to much 'Jeffie Boy', go and talk to yourself on that empty, NOTHING board of yours, I guarantee you that I won't come over and LAUGH AT YOU THERE, YOU'LL BE SAFE HIDING THERE IN YOUR LITTLE HOLE.

Your right about one thing 'Jeffie boy', the readers do decide, so tell us, how many of them do you see posting here or at CTC defending you,.... Hmmmm,....Oh my, That many A-What,...... that should give you a clear indication of just what people THINK OF YOU and all of your BS. :D

[halva]

Isn't there another way of dealing with Jeff Reynolds other than filling up the threads with this kind of effluvia?

He doesn't answer questions that are aimed at drawing him into rational dialogue. But treating him with the ridicule and contempt that he deserves makes for very bad reading, and the climate of chaos and nastiness ATTRACTS BACK THE DEBUNKERS.

[Jeff Reynolds]

The truth is emerging. Google Will Thomas Louis Aubuchont and see what pops up. Yeah, questions about this "Operation Mockingbird" type shit referred to as "Deep Sky."

This is why Lou is frothing so much of late. This seems to be why Thomas has shut down his website. The truth is finally emerging about Lou Aubuchont and seemingly Will Thomas also, that they are both involved in some dirty fucking shit. Letters were sent to Will Thomas expressing concern that he had been duped by low level scum like Lou. His response was to ignore the concerns and to shut down his website.

Spooks aren't the smartest fucks in the world. They do end up getting exposed eventually.

Bloggers all across the internet are finding ways to get the truth out.

[Jeff Reynolds]

google "will thomas aubuchont"

[kola]

google jeffy-boy asshole.

[dewey189]

google "will thomas aubuchont"I did and got nothing.

[halva]

What you are supposed to get is a link to Jeff Reynolds' private forum.

[dewey189]

What you are supposed to get is a link to Jeff Reynolds' private forum.I got nothing.

[halva]

I don't know what the explanation is, but do you mind?
http://www.google.gr/search?hl=el&q=Will+Thomas+Aubuchont&btnG=%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF %83%CE%B7+Google&meta=

[halva]

Based on years of direct observation and on continued study of the relevant literature, I believe that we are asking for trouble if the growth of the commercial aviation sector is allowed to continue at the current rate.
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In the mid 90s I was a member of Greek ecological organization that succeeded in securing the "franchise" to represent Friends of the Earth in Greece. Things did not go well because a number of problems croppped up almost immediately. One of them was a directive, emanating from the headquarters and out of nowhere, that we should start campaigning around the issue of aviation and its environmental consequences. This meant trying to convince people that they should feel bad about airline tickets being so cheap and should ask to be required to pay more for them. Whatever the ecological realities, this appeared to be a campaign with zero chances of getting anywhere. A dead duck from the word go. The disadvantages of allying oneself with big internationally organized environmental NGOs where one did NOT choose the agenda were becoming rapidly obvious.

I have thought about the meaning of this on and off over the years as our present "chemtrails" discussion waxed and wanted. And it now seems to me that this campaign of Friends of the Earth must have coincided with the commencement of large scale aerosol spraying for geoengineering and other purposes and have been specifically designed as a campaign to divert attention from the real issue and channel the energies of ecological activists in dead- end directions.

[kola]

i agree with you halva and this is why i have no respect for footstink/debra becuase that is her slant (spin) on the chemtrail issues.

[halva]

And the worst of it is that she will not talk about this or consider the possibility that what I am saying may well be the reality. This would mean admitting that one has "been had".

[weatherman714]

yea I see JR#2 has a board and all he does is take research from other's claim it as his own and then starts threads bashing the person he ripped it from. What a sick person, he seriously needs help.

Here's two of my topics of interest about tracking aerosols from chemtrails. Give them a look.

The Effect of Aerosols at the Surface

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12362.html

Tracking Chemtrail Fallout on Radar

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12373.html


*looks at JR#2 and just laughs...

[kola]

714,

if the aerosol spray is sucking up moisture and increasing temps why do the assholes keep spraying?

Kola

[Lou]

We had some of the heaviest spraying that I've ever seen here in Maine and New Hampshire today. 8/9/07.

They where going strong when I got up at 7:00 AM and the madness continued all day long up to about 7:45 PM, they completely whited out our sky's here with literally hundreds of trails over the course of the day which turned into huge masses of Chem clouds, some of the heaviest, thickest, darkest looking Chem clouds we have ever observed, they looked like very bad storm clouds, horrible, just horrible, call it Chemtrails, I call it PURE SHIT there pumping into the atmosphere_period. :mad: I'm MAD as HELL !!!!

[halva]

Fortunately where I am they lay off relatively in summertime. The tourist season, etc.

Weatherman those CTC links were great. More of that please and less talk about your putative dealings in the past with Russians and Chinese, which only serve to prejudice people against you, including Russians and Chinese, I imagine, who wouldn't like to see you "blabbing" in this way.

At the moment I am gathering authoritiative critiques of what Commissioner Dimas had to say in response to Erik Meijer's questions in the European parliament. Would you like to criticise Commissioner Dimas's reply also?

http://www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=837462&postcount=8492

The ideal, of course, will be for your critique to have your real name attached to it, so that you are no longer merely an anonymous internet figure but a real-world person. But that is up to you.

What we are trying to do is assemble an alternative network of experts so that Erik Meijer and other Erik Meijers will have access to better information than is being provided through Commissioner Dimas and the European Commission. An information network rather than a disinformation network.

[halva]

And Footsoldier, if we have "taken over your thread", what | would like to say is: we have done very well to take it over. If you "want it back", provide arguments to show that the "airline emissions" debate is something other than a RED HERRING to delude the naive.

The airline emissions debate has been set up in such a way that our side CANNOT WIN IT!!

If you want to beat your head aganst brick walls that is your own personal problem.

[halva]

And Jeff Reynolds, what you should have done at the beginning, when I told you I thought there is something unsatisfactory about Deborah/Footsoldier's ideas, is to have tried to help me clarify exactly what the problem is.

Rather than doing what you did, seeking to ingratiate yourself with Deborah and Chem to represent ME as the problem, and get me and then yourself thrown off Megasprayer.

Only to discover afterwards that you had the same disagreement yourself with Deborah's positions.

[halva]

And Footsoldier, if we have "taken over your thread", what | would like to say is: we have done very well to take it over. If you "want it back", provide arguments to show that the "airline emissions" debate is something other than a RED HERRING to delude the naive.

The airline emissions debate has been set up in such a way that our side CANNOT WIN IT!!


Now that election time is coming along in the States, evidently another such debate that WE CAN'T WIN is being set up, on the subject of gays.

And as always, the Democrats accept the terms of the "debate". They cannot do otherwise.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070810/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_gay_rights

You see . The "sharp questions" are for the "Dems". The role of the other side is to ask them..... or to "show no interest".

[halva]

The US Democratic Party has no choice but to play the game that way. But we, and "we" includes Americans, DO have other choices.

[halva]

"Of the eight Democratic candidates, two did not attend, Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut."

How will these guys have affected their chances by not showing up at the Hollywood gay rights forum? They seem to be outsiders anyway.

[halva]

What a political system!!!!

[halva]

By the way, the candidate I want to see winning is Hilary Clinton.

[weatherman714]

Halva>>

check out this near real time detection of chemtrails that I put together last night.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12381.html

Kola>>

8/8/07 the USAF blasted the Mid-Atlantic with rain absorbing chems, or vapor absorbing chems. The idea was to dry out the atmosphere and do a "test" of the electrical grid over the Baltimore area and the surrounding states. Baltimore Gas and Electric had to lower voltages to prevent a massive blackout around 4:30pm 8/8/07. What this means is if the heat had been further north into the northeast at the intensity it was from Southern PA southward to the Geogria the potential existed for another Aug 2003 blackout. I think that's what the USAF was after.


http://ir.constellation.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=112182&p=irol-newsBGE&nyo=0

Baltimore Gas and Electric Company Implements Voltage Reduction In Response to PJM Request as a Result of Extremely High Electricity Demand

Customers Should Not Notice Any Significant Difference in Service

BALTIMORE, Aug. 8, 2007 – Baltimore Gas and Electric Company (BGE), a subsidiary of Constellation Energy (NYSE: CEG), today announced that as a result of the continuing hot weather, a voltage reduction has been implemented across its Central Maryland service territory at the request of PJM, the electric power grid operator for 13 states including Maryland and the District of Columbia. Voltage reductions have also been implemented by neighboring utilities in the Mid-Atlantic area including Washington D.C.

Although customers should not notice any significant change in electric service during this voltage reduction period, lights may be dimmer than normal. The voltage reduction is expected to last at least several hours. Customers are strongly encouraged to use power prudently during this time.

Contact: Rob Gould
Linda Foy
410 470-7433

[weatherman714]

Effect of chemtrails on temperatures.

A lot of people said gee, what formula are you talking about. It was May41970's challenge that helped spark this new theory I have come up with. I'm merely testing it, but the debunkers at Mav's board doesn't understand the words "experiment" and "test". My new theory is and it explains a lot of the issues I had with my weather model, is there is two different systems on the planet. One system is governed by the Pacific ENSO, the other the Atlantic ENSO. They are separate systems but do influence each other. As a result on each point on the this planet has two potential high temperatures and two potential low temperatures. One for each system. Anyways the point I'm trying to make is that the atmosphere will go to one or the other and it's not a symptom of me not being able to forecast weather. It's a way for me to prove that weather modification exists and the atmosphere has a set mechanism in place to deal with weather modification and sudden movement of systems. There is a secondary system involved. Anyways here is my forecast for BWI for the past 10 days. The first 5 day forecast was issued on 7/31/07 and the second one on 8/5/07. I said on 8/5/07 there was a question mark with the Pacific side because I don't understand how the Atlantic ENSO system works entirely. I've only experimented with this for about a month. I need at least a year to get this down.
The point is there have been two days that I've missed the high temperature more than 2F. Both days had extremely high chemtrails. The first one was on Saturday and the second one on Wednesday. Today looks like a winner. :). I think this is the way I want to head Halva, keeping documentation of all the USAF's activities and compare them to my formula, at least over one area to show and understand how their sprays affect the weather locally.

Simply put here's the colums. First one is the date and days forecasted in advance, the second one is the high for the Atlantic System, the third one is the Pacific System, the fouth one is the actual temperature, the 5th the error and the 6th is the comment section. I gotta update 8/8/07 to include what the USAF did in the comment section.
August 1,2007 1 92F 80F 93F 1F None
August 2,2007 2 94F 82F 95F 1F None
August 3,2007 3 94F 84F 96F 2F None
August 4,2007 4 94F 88F 98F 4F Heavy Smog Day, see The Effects of Aerosols at the Surface. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12362.html
August 5,2007 5 95F 90F 88F 2F FINALLY!!!!One for the Atlantic System!!!
August 6,2007 1 95F 88F 93F 2F
August 7,2007 2 96F 84F 97F 1F none
August 8,2007 3 93F 81F 102F 9F
August 9,2007 4 93F 81F 94F 1F
August 10,2007 5 92F 80F

[halva]

OK Thanks Weatherman.

Keep posting here and providing information that fits in with what you perceive as the needs and interests of people here.

In my case, I said something quite specific.
http://www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=840466&postcount=2516

Are you willing and able to do what I asked in that posting? #

If you are not, say "no" and that's it.

[dewey189]

By the way, the candidate I want to see winning is Hilary Clinton.
I'm glad you're not eligible to vote then.

[halva]

How much correspondence is there between how people vote and what the result is?

[halva]

I'm glad you're not eligible to vote then.

At the time the Monika Lewinski scandal was at its height, with detailed blowjob-by-blowjob descriptions of all the goings on, the soiled skirts, the works, in fifteen languages, in every mass circulation newspaper in the world, I remember sitting in a village cafe on the island of Andros listening to the cafe proprietor holding forth, spontaneously on this subject.

This Greek old man was staggered by what he was witnessing. His mind could not encompass it. Was it the assault on "conservative family values", the indescribable lack of respect for the autonomy of family life and of personal relations?

What kind of civilization could produce such phenomena??

[halva]

I thought Hilary handled herself quite well through all that.

Perhaps that was the reason for staging it. So that she could do that.

[dewey189]

What kind of civilization could produce such phenomena??All of them.

[dewey189]

I thought Hilary handled herself quite well through all that. Perhaps that was the reason for staging it. So that she could do that.Nah. She's a seasoned politician-player and it shows, but it's one of the reasons I'm not interested in her candidacy. I don't want yet another player in the White House.

[halva]

I suppose I am just curious to see whether she is to some extent playing a game she thought up herself. The question doesn't arise with most US presidential candidates. Of course you have people like Cheney, but HIS particular game is not something one feels it would be safe to know too much about.

[Lou]

Nah. She's a seasoned politician-player and it shows, but it's one of the reasons I'm not interested in her candidacy. I don't want yet another player in the White House.

Like it or not, just another "PLAYER" is exactly what we are going to end up with in the White House and it's probably going to be a woman this time around.

It's got to be better than what's there now.

[foot_soldier]

For what it's worth:

August 12, 2007
Heathrow climate protest starts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6943084.stm

A climate change protest camp has been set up outside Heathrow airport, two days earlier than had been expected.

Thousands of protesters are expected at the Camp for Climate Action, which organisers say will highlight the link between aviation and global warming.

The week-long demonstration had been scheduled to begin on Tuesday, but 150 campaigners have already set up camp on a site north of the airport perimeter.

In response, the BAA warned it would not allow passengers to be "harassed".

Protesters from the UK and abroad are expected to attend a week of activities highlighting the issue of climate change.

Organisers say that the camp, originally scheduled to run between 14 and 21 August, has been set up near the villages of Sipson and Harlington - between the M4 motorway and the airport's northern perimeter.

There are reports that protestors occupied the site overnight.

A police spokesman said that about 150 people have set up camp at a sports ground belonging to Imperial College London - and that the protest was peaceful.

'Irresponsible'

A "day of action" at the Heathrow camp, planned for Sunday 19 August, aims to highlight the "root causes" of global warming.

"Aviation is the fastest growing source of greenhouse gas emissions in the UK," says a statement from the environmental campaign group.

"Holding the camp at Heathrow aims to highlight the lunacy of the government's airport expansion plans, target industry giants profiteering from the climate crisis, and raise awareness of the need to fly less."

Airport operator, BAA, has warned against protests which could be a dangerous distraction at a time of heightened security fears.

Last week, BAA won a High Court ruling banning certain protesters from Heathrow - but the injunction does not prevent the setting up of the camp.

"With the current terrorism threat, keeping Heathrow safe and secure is a very serious business. Any action taken by the protestors that distracts us or the police from this task is irresponsible and unlawful," said Mark Bullock, BAA Heathrow's managing director.

"Around 1.5 million passengers are due to pass through Heathrow during the week of climate camp, many of them families on their summer holidays.

"It is our responsibility to ensure that we do everything we can to guarantee their safety and comfort during this very busy period."

[halva]

For what it's worth. That is precisely the question. How much is it worth?

There is a kind of militancy developing there. How do we relate to it?

I have started feeding weather modfication and geoengineering-related intormation into an American expatriate milieu in Athens, Greece.

For example the piece on contrails and solar energy in Shasta County, California.
http://www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=841191&postcount=8520

Here is what one gets in response:

I was a bit confused about this one as Wiginton refers to 'spraying' and 'con trails' alternately. Is he/she referring to jet contrails, i.e. those produced by airliners, etc? Or to an actual spraying program, like crop dusting, or something to, um, kill tree bark beetles?

[halva]

The Heathrow Airport protesters remind me of the Greenham Common anti-nuclear-weapons protesters of the 80s. What actually did they achieve?

They got the Cruise missiles withdrawn under the 1987 INF Treaty, immediately to be replaced by retargeted Trident missiles, but a climate of progress was generated, which could have been built on as the Soviet Union disintegrated, to help Yeltsin get the nuclear disarmament that he wanted.

But that would have required political understanding. All the Greenham Common protesters had was their anger. They didn't have a clue about how they should interpret what was happening at the diplomatic level. They didn't have a clue about the meaning of the Reykjavik Summit.

When the greatest opportunity for nuclear disarmament arose since the bombing of Hiroshima they were at home watching television, disoriented, demoralised, comatose.

And since then the nuclear weapons debate has acquired previously unachieved levels of primitivity.

Can the Heathrow Airport protesters be any more successful than their anti-nuclear-weapons predecessors of twenty-five years ago? How do we relate to them? What do we say to them?

Do we talk to them about Erik Meijer's questions in the European Parliament?

[halva]

So still no word from Footsoldier on how much it is worth.

[foot_soldier]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44054000/jpg/_44054992_flag-getty-416.jpg
August 13, 2007 - Getty Images - BBC Online

[halva]

If this mobilization were occurring somewhere closer to us, we would be certainly be down there distributing copies of Erik Meijer's Europarliament question, and a response to Commissioner Dimas' "answer" to it.

Perhaps referring them to Rosalind Peterson's latest video also.

If we had good communications with the chemtrails activists in England
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=50

we would be co-ordinating with them around the issue also.

I hope these airport occupiers are not as closed-minded as some of their Greek climate-change-activist counterparts.

If you were really serious, Footsoldier, you would be floating some ideas about how the British chemtrails activists and the British airlines emissions activists can be made to pay attention to each other.

[Lou]

We are on the same page FS, I wish more people had your insight of these issues.

Does this old post sound familiar ?

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BLOWING IT OUT

"All this haggling over "he said/she said" is driving me nuts!! Time keeps moving!!!

There is too much black-and-white thinking involved in this discussion process. We are looking at a situation that is overloaded with grey areas in the first place - and it is my opinion that it is the intent of those in authority that this be the case. If we would stay focused on what we are actually observing and do the research necessary to make informed analysis, we would make a great deal more progress.

"There is no question in my mind that our atmosphere is being conditioned by the military " to accommodate [enhance] the effective functioning of their advanced earth- and space-based radar, communications and weapons technology. Much of the advanced radar technology depends on certain "atmospheric modification" techniques to function reliably and produce consistently verifiable data. The idea is to refine the software used in conjunction with this advanced technology so that "battlespace data" can be effectively networked. There are very specific atmospheric modification techniques which can be used as needed to eliminate weather-related obstacles to the reliable functioning of these advanced systems.

So, when FAA personnel are told that the "unusual aircraft activity" in their areas involves "weather modification", this is actually not a lie as it pertains to what I have just written above. Of course that's what the ATC's are going to be told - because the assumption [obviously] is that the average person is going to think of "weather mod" as just that - and will not go further and make the connection to why this is being done in certain areas at certain times in conjunction with "military exercises."

We are living in the BETA-Version of a Planetary War Games video - only it's no video."

[halva]

We are on the same page FS, I wish more people had your insight of these issues.

I would rather take on the job of being critical of Footsoldier than to leave it to either of the Reynoldses or to Kola.

Rosalind Peterson is applying the Footsoldier strategy of blurring the distinctions between the airline emissions issue and the deliberate long-lasting-contrails-for geoengineering-or-other-purposes issue. It will be an empirical question to see how far this is going to pay off in terms of acceptance by the mainstream of the climate change movement. One possibility is that Rosalind will be "co-opted", losing the credibility she at present enjoys with most "chemtrails" activists.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Hey Halva, I've taken you off my ignore for just briefly.
I know you think I am an ass for thinking you a fake or
have some kind of mental problems.

But if you are smart, and real, you might be curious about what really happened
with the Deep Sky. No fuck deep sky. Why can't Lou tell us exactly what happened.
Rosalind Peterson is for real.
Foot Soldier cointelpro-like.
Lou cointelpro-like
Jay Reynolds- ditto.


The problem with you Halva, ur achilles heel, is that you think anyone who thinks there could be crazy believers is neurotic.

If I was a fake, I'd just throw the busted fakes out, try to consolidate.
You guys can try to keep astroturfing that I am an idiot,
but the truth emerged

We won. You lost.

And it wasn't just about myself and may41970.
There are three others now who joined who experienced the same shit..
The same fucking rabbit holes you fakes dished out.

Man and Nature knows all about Chem11, Big Bunny, and Deborah/FootScab's cointelpro-like propaganda.

There is someone who was at Gastro. There is someone who was at ctc for about a month when myself and May41970 joined. She has made a post.

Chemtrails are kooky astroturfing has been exposed.

Now watch out as the word is getting out to more free thinking humanists through the Progressive independent, where evil fucks like you are not allowed.


You are all pitiful fucks who might as well be up in those planes.

This message has been a public service announcement for all the newbies and those on the fence.


ALL AIRCRAFT ARE NOT INVOLVED!
CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL; CHEMTRAIL FORUMS ARE NOT


Bail out good people. These folks probably could get you a date with DailyKos they are so seedy, making up shit. The signature says it all.

Yes, Jay Reynolds and Lou Aubuchont are on the same evil side.
Pretty obvious.



So Halva, I'll shut-up. instead of attacking me for this post, why don't you interview Low about the day in March, the "invasion", when he nodded to a car across to him, when dino luttrell, what's his name? married to st brendtenstein at one point.

Dean Luttrell. WMWV they counted 370 chemtrails.
Yeah right.

It's convoluted.
all at the forum.

It's the truth.
backed it all up with facts.

so what's that outside interference with Will Thomas?
it's over.

check-mate.


newbies, those on the fence:

Bail the fuck out of this dive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[halva]

Jeff Reynolds you seem to be half-deciding to try to change your approach.

Keep trying. You have still not reached a level where it is worthwhile anyone trying to decipher you.

I don't know anything about the Deep Sky story.

[halva]

Petit Testament (from Poems of Ern Malley)
http://www.ernmalley.com/malley_poetry.html

In the twenty-fifth year of my age
I find myself to be a dromedary
That has run short of water between
One oasis and the next mirage
And having despaired of ever
Making my obsessions intelligible
I am content at last to be
The sole clerk of my metamorphoses.

[Lou]

From the "Original" Will Thomas new release.


FAA CONFIRMS ONGOING MILITARY OPERATION

Quote:

"After Brendt called in her sightings, assistant WMWV news director
Richard Dean counted 370 CHEMICAL TRAILS criss-crossing his nearby
location for SIX-AND-A-HALF-HOURS. But local Air Traffic Controllers
reported only nine commercial jets on their radars at the time."
__________________________________________________

Quote: Jeffie Boy

"Dean Luttrell. WMWV they counted 370 chemtrails.
Yeah right.

It's convoluted.
all at the forum."
_____________________________________________

How about CONVOLUTED in YOUR HEAD 'Jeffie BOY'?

Now_Either 'Jeffie Boy' can't read and comprehend what he is reading or he is just deliberately leaving out the fact that 'Richard Dean' counted over a SIX-AND- A-HALF-HOUR period of time, 370 Chemtrails on March 12, 2001 ( Along with a number of other people.) during what appeared to be an all out Chemtrail attack of our sky's over Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont on March 12, 2001.

Obviously, this 'Jeff Reynolds' is some sort of a conspiracy fanatic who likes to create fantasy scenarios by way of what other people say or write about, there may well be distortions to the original 'Thomas' news release as we know for a fact that "News" can and does get distorted either by error or by design and there is little that the original author can do about it.

It appears that 'Jeff Reynolds' who seems to have nothing better to do chooses the latter method of distortion by "Design" to twist and mold true facts or statements into his version of reality in 'Jay Reynolds' DEBUNKER style.

Well, it doesn't work that way 'Jeffie Boy', it's very obvious to everyone save a few "IDIOTS" not unlike yourself, that what your doing has nothing to do with the facts or truth but everything to do with "YOU" doing everything that you can think of to discredit 'Will Thomas', 'S.T. Brendt', 'Richard Dean', myself and the whole "DEEP SKY" story and the information derived from it that started with the March 12, 2001 spraying, it is you who are creating this FALSE air of CONSPIRACY at this late date and one has to ask the question, WHY?

Who is PAYING you 'Jeffie Boy' to attack anyone remotely connected to the original 'Thomas' new release of the events of March 12, 2001 and subsequent 'S.T. Brendt' "DEEP SKY" interviews at the WMWV radio station in front of other witnesses which I had nothing whatsoever to do with, my involvement was with the events of March 12, 2001 and very little thereafter concerning S.T. Brendt's investigation and subsequent reporting with 'Will Thomas'.

So 'Jeffie Boy', are you being paid by the "DOD" to attack everyone in DEBUNKER fashion ( Unlikely ) or are you just some random FREAK MENTAL CASE CONSPIRACY FANATIC ( More like it ) that has found some distortions in the information due to posting of it by people other than 'Will Thomas' or 'S.T. Brendt' and you can portray it as some great CONSPIRACY.

You've made demands to know what'Will Thomas', 'S.T. Brendt' and 'Richard Dean' have done and are doing since, well, that's not for me to tell you, there personal information is NONE of YOUR BUSINESS, these types of DEMANDS are typical of only DEBUNKERS like 'Jay Reynolds', WHO in the HELL do you THINK YOU ARE, you don't even come close to being in 'Jay Reynolds' class and you never will be.

If your going to distort he facts and truth at least try and COVER YOUR ASS so you at least will not appear to be blatantly stupid, your BS of " Dean Luttrell. WMWV they counted 370 chemtrails.-Yeah right." just makes you look like the FOOL you are.

OK, go back to your keyboard now and try and counter the truth of what 'Will Thomas' originally reported in his news release._You really are quite pathetic 'Jeffie Boy', you do know that don't you?

And that is the last minute of my time your getting on this subject FROM ME_period.

[halva]

Lou seems to me to be in front in this argument, Jeff Reynolds.

But I am a non-involved bystander. I don't have any reason to take one side rather than the other. If you can pen a cool, understated, informative, devastating riposte, you can win, at least with me.

[weatherman714]

Hey Halva, I've taken you off my ignore for just briefly.
I know you think I am an ass for thinking you a fake or
have some kind of mental problems.


This is so the M.O. of a famous debunker over at Mav's and someone that appeared for a lengthy time at CTC early in the decade. LTC8K6. He constantly accuses me of having mental problems, but most recently is stealing my meteorological ideas and claims over at Mav's board as his own. Now this clown JR#2 Constantly accuses me of being some disinfo agent, yet he can't even understand physics. He too has stolen my research and meteorological ideas and claimed them as his own. This person/people has/have no moral character or moral fiber.

Identifying chemtrails and determining what type they are spraying based on appearence and remote sensing analyisis came from me in 2002. Calling out chemtrails as the reason for droughts and deludged came from me in March 2002, a whole month and a half prior to Carnicom. Making the radar/chemtrail fallout connections came from me. Everyone that was into watching radars was in it for the scalar theory. I have e-mails from '03 from people telling me what a great job I did making the connection as they observed actual chemtrails on Nexrad. Making the connections between model data and what the press is claiming about the weather came from me as well. Whenever the Western US needs rain an article concerning the region they are targeting will be run in the LA Times, every single time. It never fails. Over at Mav's I've claimed that several weather stations are unreilable because they don't follow proper procedure with measuring temperatures. As in BWI's case they went from measuring temperatures in the fields off the runways to measuing the temperature on the runway as the offical temperature for a period of time in 1996. LTC has now found a blog and is toting how he is bringing this to everyone's attention, while I've been crowing about it since '02 when I joined their forum. A majority of the ideas I see being tossed around out there came from me. Chemtrails cause heating at the layer of the atmosphere they are present. I can go on and on and on... But I'm the fake one.

[Lou]

Quote; Weatherman714

"I can go on and on and on... But I'm the fake one."
______________________________________

Well arn't we all in 'Jeffie Boy's" eyes,.......Ha !:D

Paul, I see now that you must have read my post as I just posted a response to your's at CTC regarding Jr#2. acting more and more like a DEBUNKER.:rolleyes:

Moving on,...........:D

[Jeff Reynolds]

Lou Aubuchont is a low level tool.

[halva]

Hey Halva, if you are smart, and real, you might be curious about what really happened with the Deep Sky.


Jeff Reynolds, I am smart and real, and am curious about what really happened with the Deep Sky.

Have you given up trying to explain?

[halva]

Explanations don't depend on situating people in hierarchies of high and low levels or of autonomy and "tool" status. Just an account of the facts.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jeff Reynolds you seem to be half-deciding to try to change your approach.

Keep trying. You have still not reached a level where it is worthwhile anyone trying to decipher you.

I don't know anything about the Deep Sky story.

I am pretty much done posting too much at DBS.
Deep Sky, you must have heard of it.
How Lou and his partner st. brendt Luttrell allegedly witnessed an "invasion."
Will Thomas has featured this prominently in his book.

[CDsNuTz]

jeffie boy offers NOTHING. Nothing but accusations and maniacal rantings.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Explanations don't depend on situating people in hierarchies of high and low levels or of autonomy and "tool" status. Just an account of the facts.....

Jeff Reynolds, I am smart and real, and am curious about what really happened with the Deep Sky.

Have you given up trying to explain?





No, just not gonna reinvent the wheel.
I wrote plenty about this over at the forum in my signature.
Plus, Deep Sky, that is even bigger than deep shield, the one you
have been a supporter or "believer" of.

Halva, I can't do ur homework for ya.
If you are curious about Deep Sky, it really isn't
that hard to figure out.

Just strange about Will Thomas, and Lou, and this Dean Luttrell,
and st brendt, and jvitum, mom_p_3,

It is at the forum linked below, in the chemtrails are not kooky section.

It is very convoluted.
And if u read it, u don't have to take my word for it.
Look at what is written, then look at the links provided
for deep sky.

Lou looks like he is a paid actor, while one is left wondering whether will thomas
was taken advantage of or worse.

Rosalind Peterson has nothing in common with foot soldier.
That last photo she presented. That could just be when planes dump the jet fuel or something else.
She confuses chemtrails with contrails on purpose.
Chem11, big bunny, they don't even believe in chemtrails either.

But that's about it.
If you can get into the specifics of the deep sky, fine.

Did you know that Lou recently said he believes he can bust chemtrails with the power of his own min
Halva, chemtrails are made by NATO, the NOAA, and they have to do with climate change and owning the weather.

Chemtrails would have been exposed and stopped yesterday if it wasn't for fakes like aubuchont.

[halva]

I am pretty much done posting too much at DBS.
Deep Sky, you must have heard of it.
How Lou and his partner st. brendt Luttrell allegedly witnessed an "invasion."
Will Thomas has featured this prominently in his book.,

I have heard about it, just as you have heard about Deep Shield, but you introduced the subject as if you were going to tell me something new. What you are teling me is that Lou and his partner are kooky, something which I knew from before was your opinion. You also think I am kooky, not least because I believe David Stewart's account of his "Deep Shield" contacts.

These are all very old subjects. David Stewart himself is bored with talking about "Deep Shield" and Lou has told you what he thinks about your views of this Deep Sky subject he knows more about. What perspective do you have to offer on what we should do now?

[weatherman714]

Jeff Reynolds wrote: Halva, chemtrails are made by NATO, the NOAA, and they have to do with climate change and owning the weather.


Interesting JR#2. I'm the fake and the "debunker" operation... but you stole that too right from my observation list...

[halva]

If he wants to be a successful fake he has to try to do it somewhere that they don't know him. If he wants to post without having everyone abusing him when he does, he is going to have to keep up that (so far pitiful) effort he apparently started making to change his approach.

[Lou]

As posted at CTC,....

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg109616.html#109616


I was doing a search in the "DoD / Defense Research & Engineering" website this evening instead of dealing with IDIOT DEBUNKERS,...

http://www.dtic.mil/dodsrch/search?template=%2Fdtic%2Fsearch%2Fresults-template-all.html&cr=customresults_dod.xml&hl=y&c=464DC8DF644962BBAA47D115E86EA68D&c=41F52911D50A5415&c=DD0C976002CAEB35&c=C92F583E2FD6E53B&c=5EF526FDCBB753A6&c=69A6EE7DB95A7791&c=C5C8242C85E9B392&c=12AC457CE2B5F28B&c=7B711C9E935D47D2&c=CAB345CEEFB1340B&c=D27AE6F2C80BEC86&searchview=7FBC4E26E505DA989E1DD0291FE4E9A8B35994E 533FE494E&sort=&changequery=1&q=applications+using+%22Aluminum+Oxide%22+in+the+a tmosphere+via+aircraft&submit=Search+All

and I found a few interesting links with regard to "Aluminum Oxide", especially the first one I found # 4. (See below) the only thing is, none of the links take you to the information, all I got was a page that said "Page can not be found",...Gee, I wonder why?

Items of interest that I found starting with # 4.


4. Link to Source Document

...the ambient atmosphere. The process of...greater effect on local ozone...and NO2 or aluminum oxide particles...effect of the solar cycle on ozone...Particulate in the form of Al2O3...released to the atmosphere in chemical...exhausted aluminum oxide particles...

http://ax.losangeles.af.mil/axf/studies/docs/soilvedsmdso.pdf

- 664.98k - Similiar pages
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6. Link to Source Document

...this period. The background upper...activation of the chlorine via the reaction ClONO2...released to the atmosphere in chemical...of some form into the atmosphere...exhausted aluminum oxide particles with the use of aircraft collecting filter...

http://ax.losangeles.af.mil/axf/studies/docs/soilvedsmdso.pdf

- 664.98k - Similiar pages
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10. Tracking Performance Using a GPS C/A-Code Receiver

...could eliminate the aluminum oxide (Al2O3) particulates...performed for space applications. 4.1.2 Programs...assess and limit the probability of accidental...of kilograms of aluminum oxide dust are released into the orbital environment...

http://ax.losangeles.af.mil/axf/syseng/emdocs/smcorbitalhb.pdf

- 689.584k - Similiar pages
__________________________________________________ _____________

My search ended when I got this error message on page #7.
______________________

[B]Error /

You have used an invalid search format. A message has been sent to the DTIC search team for resolution
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I wonder what kind of "RESOLUTION" they have in mind?

I don't think they like anyone searching the site for "Applications for "Aluminum Oxide" in the atmosphere via aircraft", as soon as I started that search my cursor started moving on it's own, Oh my, am I paranoid to think that someone was watching my search?

It's obvious that "THEY" do not want any information pertaining to "Aluminum Oxide" and "Atmosphere" to be viewed by the public eye, hence, the gone missing pages to the links. :rolleyes:

I'm going to sleep light tonight thinking about that whole "RESOLUTION" thing,..........NOT.

Those brass hats at the "DoD" can just kiss my old toothless wonder. :D

[weatherman714]

Lou>>

I'm still of the impression that there is another element being added to the Aluminum Oxide from my experience in 2002 when I was researching the possibilites of Uranium 235 or 238 being used in the atmosphere. Aluminum oxide is whitish in color, the chemtrails we are observing have reddish and yellowish tints to them. The red I believe is Phosphorescence, because Strontium Alumnite is commerically available in large quanities. The red glowing Strontium Alumnite has very high absorption rates in the UV spectrum. Where as the Green and Blue glowing compounds(of Strontium Aluminite) don't. It's considered non-toxic, but then again when we think of glow in the dark glitter we don't think of inhaling it in large quanties either. It's also used at the cataylist in the Red cathodes of televisions. Aluminum Oxide breaks down into it's elemential components in the presence of a strong acid. Why was the US Govt so interested in scaring the Be Jesus about of me back in 2002 when I was putting this research together and putting a virus onto my computer. They did the same thing in October 2002 when I was getting to the bottom of the rain inducing spray. I figured out it was plastic fibers and did the research to verify that clear plastic does not get all the yellow pigments out during the manufactoring process. Clear plastic will also appear yellowish at a distance, but will appear clear at close ranges. Which is why when they spray the plastic fibers overhead they appear milky white, but as the same trail goes into the distance the tint becomes yellowish.

[weatherman714]

The Atmospheric Physics behind particles and albedos.

As these particles (Aluminum Oxide) are released into the atmosphere, they don't reflect radation but rather absorb it. This means we are changing the dynamics of the atmosphere at which the level that these particles are sprayed. On a clear day radation would hit the surface of the earth and then warm the atmosphere above the ground as the surface re-radaties Infrared radation. What if we were to place an aerosol layer above the ground that had a much lower alebdo than the ground?
The aerosols sprayed at 20,000 feet would absorb the incoming radation and prevent it from reaching the ground. They would also become a sink for outgoing radation as they would directly absorb outgoing radation as well, providing a cooling effect for the surface below. Meanwhile transfering the heat from the surface to the upper atmosphere. As the radation comes into the lower layers of the atmosphere, more of it would be absorbed by the aerosols, because the albedo of the aerosols is much less than the albedo at the surface. The effect would be temperatues would stop rising during the middle of the day, even in the summer time over the regions that were sprayed.
As these particles fall to the ground they change the dynamics of the atmosphere again. They now absorb all of the incoming radation going in or out thereby creating a greenhouse effect at the surface. As this radation is transfered to the aerosols, mixing in the lower 5,000 feet of the atmosphere will heat the entire region, thereby reducing mixing and creating a "cap" at the surface. (It's the same as putting a glass dome over an entire region). This cap allows surface temperatures to rise more than what they normally would because the aerosols have made it warmer above the ground than at ground level. As the particles sink and the temperatures at the surface rise to break the cap, temepratures eventually rise even higher because of the extra heat at 3,000 feet being forced down to ground level. If air rises, somewhere it must sink. This adibatic heating and leads to a drier warmer atmosphere.

[foot_soldier]

CO2 emissions aren't the only issue as the commercial aviation sector continues to expand:

August 16, 2007
Aviation greenhouse curbs may fall short
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=143&art_id=nw20070815222249767C530141

Oslo - The aviation industry may be more damaging to the environment than widely thought because aircraft not only release carbon dioxide but they also produce other harmful gases that warm the Earth, experts said.

A tented camp of about 250 climate protests at London's Heathrow airport this week highlights pressures to include aviation in a global pact to fight global warming. But planes are among the least understood sources of emissions.

"Growth is going to continue, but it is complicated to estimate the effect of aviation on the climate," said Ivar Isaksen, a professor at Oslo University who is an expert in how aviation affects the atmosphere.

He said that aviation's impact went far beyond carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, that many governments rely on for calculations.

Aviation accounts for about two percent of world emissions of carbon dioxide and projected passenger growth of five percent a year will far outstrip efficiency gains from better fuel or plane design, United Nations studies say.

Planes' climate impact may be magnified by factors including heat-trapping nitrogen oxides that are more damaging at high altitude. Jet condensation trails may contribute to the formation of a blanket of high-altitude cirrus clouds.

Cirrus clouds usually warm the earth's surface, increasing the impact of aviation on global warming.

A 1999 UN report, for instance, estimated that aviation's impact on the climate was two to four times greater than simply the carbon dioxide emitted by burning jet fuel.

"The science around this isn't very clear," said Sarah Brown, spokesperson for CarbonNeutral, an offset company that allows travellers to invest in renewable energy projects to soak up emissions from flights.

The company uses British Environment Ministry data that excluding climate side-effects of aviation. "The science of radiative forcing is currently uncertain," it said, referring to the effects that go beyond carbon dioxide.

Note the repeated implication of "uncertainty" as applied to the current state of knowledge on the matter of aviation emissions' impact on atmospheric heat transfer. Sound familiar?

[halva]

Footsoldier what is your orientation to the demonstrators at Heathrow Airport:?
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/

Are you in touch with them?

If so what are you telling them? Are you telling them about Erik Meijer's question in the Europarliament and Stavros Dimas'' answer to it?
Are you telling them about the recent Discovery Channel programme on weather modfification featuring Rosalind Peterson, whose strategy is so similar to yours?

Do you see the workshop programme?
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/wshops.pdf

Note that a Dr. Simon Lewis of the Royal Society is going to be speaking to the demonstrators?
http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?tip=1&id=4689

Are you in touch with Dr. Lewis?

If so, what are you saying to him? (If you were what would you say to him?)

[Lou]

Lou>>

I'm still of the impression that there is another element being added to the Aluminum Oxide from my experience in 2002 when I was researching the possibilites of Uranium 235 or 238 being used in the atmosphere. Aluminum oxide is whitish in color, the chemtrails we are observing have reddish and yellowish tints to them. The red I believe is Phosphorescence, because Strontium Alumnite is commerically available in large quanities. The red glowing Strontium Alumnite has very high absorption rates in the UV spectrum. Where as the Green and Blue glowing compounds(of Strontium Aluminite) don't. It's considered non-toxic, but then again when we think of glow in the dark glitter we don't think of inhaling it in large quanties either. It's also used at the cataylist in the Red cathodes of televisions. Aluminum Oxide breaks down into it's elemential components in the presence of a strong acid. Why was the US Govt so interested in scaring the Be Jesus about of me back in 2002 when I was putting this research together and putting a virus onto my computer. They did the same thing in October 2002 when I was getting to the bottom of the rain inducing spray. I figured out it was plastic fibers and did the research to verify that clear plastic does not get all the yellow pigments out during the manufactoring process. Clear plastic will also appear yellowish at a distance, but will appear clear at close ranges. Which is why when they spray the plastic fibers overhead they appear milky white, but as the same trail goes into the distance the tint becomes yellowish.

Paul_your points are well taken and there are many variables I believe to this / these spraying operations of various types, no doubt several designed for specific actions / reactions independant of each other.

I can not go into this tonight as I only just got in at 11:10 PM. EDT., been moving stuff all day for friends, Looooooong day big time so you will have to excuse me if I bug out. ;)

I'll try and catch up with the post when I'm free. :cool:

[halva]

Note the repeated implication of "uncertainty" as applied to the current state of knowledge on the matter of aviation emissions' impact on atmospheric heat transfer. Sound familiar?

How do you interpret this projection of "uncertainty", Footsoldier, and what do you say to people who make statements like this?

Who are you addressing by these posts at DBS. Am I included?

[weatherman714]

I'll try and catch up with the post when I'm free.

Hahahaha last night, Always, Always come back to the chick at the end of the night that eye's you up first. I'm not the guy that goes out gets the girl and then calls it a night. I like to explore my opportunities. I had two chicks lined up for a good time after closing time and then I got this stupid migraine. What a bad ending to a bad day. I came back to the first chick that eyed me up at the start of the night. She was smoking and I got her number. It always helps when your 26 and you look like your an underage drinker. :D:D

[kola]

weatherman, back awhile ago I asked you about the red and yellow colors. You stated it was excess water moisture and sun reflection. Now you say it is from particulate matter. (aluminum etc)
Hmm
Kola

[weatherman714]

weatherman, back awhile ago I asked you about the red and yellow colors. You stated it was excess water moisture and sun reflection. Now you say it is from particulate matter. (aluminum etc)

Huh? If I said that please pull up the quote and location on the thread. you mean the chem-rainbows? The tints to the different chemtrails denoted which spray we were looking at... Plastic fibers I knew were yellow way back in early '03 because of the manufactoring process of clear plastic. I still have the date and time and location that I looked this stuff up at the UMBC library. It was from the CRC handbook on Janurary 19,2003 on the 4th floor of the UMBC library at 3:15pm. I knew barium was used in their "fake ionisphere" spray because of the properties of Barium. Barium mixed polyimers allows for the creation of a fake ionisphere and you can sit on a Navy Ship 300 miles off shore, bounce a radar beam off these chem clouds and actually do 3D ground signatures. I didn't know what the red color chemtrails were, until I came out of my shell a couple of weeks ago and started comparing my forecasted temperatures wilh acutal temperatures and saw, wait a minute, when these particles reach the lower 5,000 feet of the atmosphere temperatures actually rise... I kinda put 2 and 2 together that explains the red tint. Which I believe was the real reason why the US Govt did not want me to research U235 and U238 in the atmosphere.. Strontium would have lead me to the entire EPA network of filters that measure Strontium in the atmosphere. As well as what they were doing.

[Lou]

Hahahaha last night, Always, Always come back to the chick at the end of the night that eye's you up first. I'm not the guy that goes out gets the girl and then calls it a night. I like to explore my opportunities. I had two chicks lined up for a good time after closing time and then I got this stupid migraine. What a bad ending to a bad day. I came back to the first chick that eyed me up at the start of the night. She was smoking and I got her number. It always helps when your 26 and you look like your an underage drinker. :D:D

I'm afraid that I'm just to caught up in work right now to get caught up on posting, far to much to do in real time,.. there just are not enough hours in the day.

Right straight out all day into late this evening again_I'm tiiiirrrrrreeeeeed_can't even think straight to type_not much use to anyone this way_later.

PS. I'm not twenty anymore. :rolleyes::D

[halva]

PS. I'm not twenty anymore. :rolleyes::D


Neither am I and I don't like being talked to as if I am.

[Lou]

Wayne_Why don't you show this to your version of our politicians and see if they respond at all.

Perhaps there are those in Europe interested in starting there own petition?

http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html

___________________________

The Chemtrails Petition to U.S. Congress was created by and written by Cheryl Nelson O'Brien (cdn24138@yahoo.com).
___________________________

To: U.S. Congress

WE THE PEOPLE of the United States of America, pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, which gives the right of the American people to petition the United States government for a redress of grievances, hereby state the following:

WHEREAS, unmarked aircraft are daily painting American skies with bio-hostile substances; and

WHEREAS, aircraft which carry no identifying markings can not be identified as American and are, therefore, presumed to be hostile aircraft; and

WHEREAS, these unmarked aircraft have been proven to be emitting substances which drift to the ground and are hostile to the health and well-being of American citizens;

THEREFORE, it is concluded that Americans are, and have been for years, under attack and have become the victims of BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE.

FURTHER, the United States government has allowed, and is continuing to allow, these unidentified aircraft to release harmful substances over American soil, which have been proven harmful to the American people; and

WHEREAS, the United States government has neither satisfactorily explained nor proffered any compelling reason(s) why it is in the interests of the United States government to allow harm to the majority of its people with these disease-producing, potentially lethal emissions; and

WHEREAS, when asked about the situation, the United States government has engaged in evasion, deception, and stonewalling the American people in their pursuit of the truth of this matter.

THEREFORE, it is presumed that the aircraft either belong to the United States government and are operating under the direct command and with full knowledge of the United States government or, in the alternative, the United States government has knowingly and willfully conspired with an outside, hostile group to allow harm to American citizens.

THEREFORE, it appearing that the United States government is violating numerous rights of its citizens and in so doing is in a state of treason against its citizens, it is up to the American people to exercise their rights and hold the United States government accountable for its actions or inactions, as the case may be.

CONSEQUENTLY, the people of the United States of America declare the following,

TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT: Pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, we, the people of the United States, declare that we are grieved over the presence of "chemtrails" in the airspace over the United States and hereby petition the United States government to take immediate action to cease all chemtrail activity in the airspace over the United States of America.

We, the People, further DEMAND an immediate, thorough and honest investigation into what the substance called "chemtrails" actually consists of and discover the true purpose of spraying America (and its people) with harmful substances. Such investigation will include independent, impartial experts, as well as ordinary citizens.


Sincerely,

The Undersigned

_____________________________

2441 signatures as of 8/19/07

[halva]

This would be my version:

To the US Congress, to the Auditor General of Canada, and to the European Parliament:

WE THE PEOPLES of the United States of America, of Canada and of the European Union, pursuant
(i) to the United States Bill of Rights, Amendment One, which gives the right of the American people to petition the United States government,
(ii) to the Auditor General Act of Canada, which provides Canadians with a facility for environmental petitioning and
(iii) the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union which provides European citizens with the right to petition the European Parliament, for a redress of grievances, hereby state the following:

WHEREAS, unmarked aircraft are daily painting American, Canadian and European skies with bio-hostile substances; and

WHEREAS, aircraft which carry no identifying markings can not be identified as American, Canadian or European and are, therefore, presumed to be hostile aircraft; and

WHEREAS, these unmarked aircraft have been proven to be emitting substances which drift to the ground and are hostile to the health and well-being of American, Canadian and European citizens;

THEREFORE, it is concluded that Americans, Canadians and Europeans are, and have been for years, under attack and have become the victims of BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE.

FURTHER, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission have allowed, and are continuing to allow, these unidentified aircraft to release harmful substances over American, Canadian and European soil, which have been proven harmful to the American, Canadian and European peoples; and

WHEREAS, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Commission have neither satisfactorily explained nor proffered any compelling reason(s) why it is in the interests of the United States and Canadian governments and/or the government or governments of the European Union to allow harm to the majority of its people with these disease-producing, potentially lethal emissions; and

WHEREAS, when asked about the situation, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Commission have engaged in evasion, deception, and stonewalling the American, Canadian and European peoples in their pursuit of the truth of this matter.

THEREFORE, it is presumed that the aircraft either belong to the United States and/or Canadian governments and/or the European government or governments and are operating under the direct command and with full knowledge of the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission or the corresponding European national authorities or, in the alternative, that the United States and Canadian governments and the government and/or governments of the European Union have knowingly and willfully conspired with an outside, hostile group to allow harm to American, Canadian and European citizens.

THEREFORE, it appearing that the United States and Canadian governments and the government and/or governments of the European Union are violating numerous rights of their citizens and in so doing are in a state of treason against their citizens, it is up to the American, Canadian and European peoples to exercise their rights and hold the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission accountable for their actions or inactions, as the case may be.

CONSEQUENTLY, the people of the United States of America, Canada and of the European Union declare the following,

TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT: Pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, to the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, pursuant to the Auditor General Act of Canada, and to the GOVERNMENT AND/OR GOVERNMENTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, pursuant to the European Union's Charter of Fundamental Rights, the people of the United States, Canada and the European Union declare that we are grieved over the presence of "chemtrails" in the airspace over the United States, Canada and the European Union and hereby petition the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission to take immediate action to cease all chemtrail activity in the airspace over the United States of America, Canada and the European Union.,.

We, the peoples,of the United States, Canada and the European Union further DEMAND an immediate, thorough and honest investigation into what the substance called "chemtrails" actually consists of and discover the true purpose of spraying America, Canada and the European Union (and their peoples, along with the people of many other countries) with harmful substances. Such investigation will include independent, impartial experts, as well as ordinary citizens.


Sincerely,

The Undersigned

[foot_soldier]

Very revealing couple of weeks in this thread, the topic of which is clearly anathema to your agenda, Wayne.

For someone who consistently bills himself as the soul of erudition and elevated civility it is interesting that you lack the common courtesy to develop your process in a thread more appropriate for your specific topic matter.

Good luck with your project. You're doing a heck of a job.

[halva]

It is not my specific topic matter. It should be the topic matter of all of us. You clearly disagree, but you never argue in defence of your positions.

You just say ironically that this and that is "interesting" or "revealing" or whatever, on the basis of private, and never stated, assumptions.,

[halva]

Just answer ONE question, Footsoldier. . Should the Europarliamentarian Erik Meijer be satisfied with the answer he received from Stavros Dimas on behalf of the European Commission.

If you cannot answer that question, all your study and your erudition is useless.

If you do not want to answer that question you should be standing for Congress, not posting in this discussion forum.

[Lou]

This would be my version:

To the US Congress, to the Auditor General of Canada, and to the European Parliament:

WE THE PEOPLES of the United States of America, of Canada and of the European Union, pursuant
(i) to the United States Bill of Rights, Amendment One, which gives the right of the American people to petition the United States government,
(ii) to the Auditor General Act of Canada, which provides Canadians with a facility for environmental petitioning and
(iii) the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union which provides European citizens with the right to petition the European Parliament, for a redress of grievances, hereby state the following:

WHEREAS, unmarked aircraft are daily painting American, Canadian and European skies with bio-hostile substances; and

WHEREAS, aircraft which carry no identifying markings can not be identified as American, Canadian or European and are, therefore, presumed to be hostile aircraft; and

WHEREAS, these unmarked aircraft have been proven to be emitting substances which drift to the ground and are hostile to the health and well-being of American, Canadian and European citizens;

THEREFORE, it is concluded that Americans, Canadians and Europeans are, and have been for years, under attack and have become the victims of BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE.

FURTHER, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission have allowed, and are continuing to allow, these unidentified aircraft to release harmful substances over American, Canadian and European soil, which have been proven harmful to the American, Canadian and European peoples; and

WHEREAS, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Commission have neither satisfactorily explained nor proffered any compelling reason(s) why it is in the interests of the United States and Canadian governments and/or the government or governments of the European Union to allow harm to the majority of its people with these disease-producing, potentially lethal emissions; and

WHEREAS, when asked about the situation, the United States and Canadian governments and the European Commission have engaged in evasion, deception, and stonewalling the American, Canadian and European peoples in their pursuit of the truth of this matter.

THEREFORE, it is presumed that the aircraft either belong to the United States and/or Canadian governments and/or the European government or governments and are operating under the direct command and with full knowledge of the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission or the corresponding European national authorities or, in the alternative, that the United States and Canadian governments and the government and/or governments of the European Union have knowingly and willfully conspired with an outside, hostile group to allow harm to American, Canadian and European citizens.

THEREFORE, it appearing that the United States and Canadian governments and the government and/or governments of the European Union are violating numerous rights of their citizens and in so doing are in a state of treason against their citizens, it is up to the American, Canadian and European peoples to exercise their rights and hold the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission accountable for their actions or inactions, as the case may be.

CONSEQUENTLY, the people of the United States of America, Canada and of the European Union declare the following,

TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT: Pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, to the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, pursuant to the Auditor General Act of Canada, and to the GOVERNMENT AND/OR GOVERNMENTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, pursuant to the European Union's Charter of Fundamental Rights, the people of the United States, Canada and the European Union declare that we are grieved over the presence of "chemtrails" in the airspace over the United States, Canada and the European Union and hereby petition the United States and Canadian governments and the European Council and Commission to take immediate action to cease all chemtrail activity in the airspace over the United States of America, Canada and the European Union.,.

We, the peoples,of the United States, Canada and the European Union further DEMAND an immediate, thorough and honest investigation into what the substance called "chemtrails" actually consists of and discover the true purpose of spraying America, Canada and the European Union (and their peoples, along with the people of many other countries) with harmful substances. Such investigation will include independent, impartial experts, as well as ordinary citizens.


Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Not bad Wayne, you can start your own version of this "Chemtrail" petition on your side of the pond via an "International" petition through http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html under the " Politics & Government / International " link.

Would being armed with petition signatures be of any leverage to you in your discussions of aerosol spraying / geo-engineering issues with your politicians?

It's something to consider but there is a down side to these "Petitions On Line", that being that the signature comments are subject to "Spamming" and bogus signatures by Debunkers and other assorted Idiots.

A petition is only good if the people that are signing it are truly responsible and sincere in there motivations for doing so.

[halva]

Not bad Wayne, you can start your own version of this "Chemtrail" petition on your side of the pond via an "International" petition through http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html under the " Politics & Government / International " link.

Would being armed with petition signatures be of any leverage to you in your discussions of aerosol spraying / geo-engineering issues with your politicians?

It's something to consider but there is a down side to these "Petitions On Line", that being that the signature comments are subject to "Spamming" and bogus signatures by Debunkers and other assorted Idiots.

A petition is only good if the people that are signing it are truly responsible and sincere in there motivations for doing so.

I think it is because of this that Brian Holmes expresses the opinion that online petitions are almost useless.

Some feedback I think I would like would be from Cheryl Nelson O'Brien who drafted the US version of the petition. How many of the people who signed her petition would be willing to sign the international version?

What will be the attitude of our real-life political contacts?

What will be the attitude of Erik Meijer and the people who are allied to him politically?

What will be the attitude of the "personalities" in our movement?

What will be the response of people in the aircraft-emissions mobilizations and the climate change movement?

[foot_soldier]

I think it is because of this that Brian Holmes expresses the opinion that online petitions are almost useless.

Some feedback I think I would like would be from Cheryl Nelson O'Brien who drafted the US version of the petition. How many of the people who signed her petition would be willing to sign the international version?

What will be the attitude of our real-life political contacts?

What will be the attitude of Erik Meijer and the people who are allied to him politically?

What will be the attitude of the "personalities" in our movement?

What will be the response of people in the aircraft-emissions mobilizations and the climate change movement?
Shouldn't that be "mobilisations"?

:rolleyes:

[Lou]

Shouldn't that be "mobilisations"?

:rolleyes:

"Shouldn't that be "mobilisations"?"
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Ha,.............that's good FS, nice play on the word, and "Yes" how appropriate your definition is,..."mobil-isations" as in "Mobil-Oil"... very good indeed. :D

Wayne_Brian Holmes experience with the Canadian petition left him with a bad taste in his mouth ( I believe) because of the less than enthusiastic response it generated in Ottawa where the parties where at each others throats in efforts to gain power, they had other things on there mind at the time and no room for any such petition.

I must say that it was a valiant effort and certainly showed that the Canadian people are interested in seeing there Government take some responsible action on the spraying issues.

I'm far from an expert on Canadian politics, it's all quite over my head and makes me dizzy just thinking about it, I have enough to do in just making sense of our "US" political mess. :rolleyes:

[halva]

"Shouldn't that be "mobilisations"?"
____________________________

Ha,.............that's good FS, nice play on the word, and "Yes" how appropriate your definition is,..."mobil-isations" as in "Mobil-Oil"... very good indeed. :D


The Free Online Dictionary accepts "mobilizations":

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mobilization


Wayne_Brian Holmes experience with the Canadian petition left him with a bad taste in his mouth ( I believe) because of the less than enthusiastic response it generated in Ottawa where the parties where at each others throats in efforts to gain power, they had other things on there mind at the time and no room for any such petition.


Brian did not try to make use of the environmental petition facilities at the Auditor-General's Office:

http://209.71.218.213/domino/cesd_cedd.nsf/html/petitions_e.html#hd3a


I must say that it was a valiant effort and certainly showed that the Canadian people are interested in seeing there Government take some responsible action on the spraying issues.

I'm far from an expert on Canadian politics, it's all quite over my head and makes me dizzy just thinking about it, I have enough to do in just making sense of our "US" political mess. :rolleyes:

It seems to me that it might be worth trying again, through the Auditor-General's Office. Perhaps Brian may change his mind, or Will Thomas or another Canadian resident (other Canadian residents) might be interested.

In any case Cheryl Nelson, who drafted the American version, likes the new international version and is going to post it.

[halva]

Footsoldier the objective is to get people participating in and supporting the airlines emissions mobilisations/mobilizations to support our objectives in relation to the aerosol spraying. If they do this they will find they are able to move onto the offensive against people at present slandering them as unrepresentative marginals. People who should not be in the debate at all.

Because the question is not whether there is a problem with climate change and with the effects of aircraft emissions on the climate. The question is whether aircraft emissions are acceptable as a SOLUTION to climate problems.

This is something neither the airlines emissions activists nor their detractors perceive, and which they should both be made to perceive.

[Lou]

The Free Online Dictionary accepts "mobilizations":

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mobilization



Brian did not try to make use of the environmental petition facilities at the Auditor-General's Office:

http://209.71.218.213/domino/cesd_cedd.nsf/html/petitions_e.html#hd3a



It seems to me that it might be worth trying again, through the Auditor-General's Office. Perhaps Brian may change his mind, or Will Thomas or another Canadian resident (other Canadian residents) might be interested.

In any case Cheryl Nelson, who drafted the American version, likes the new international version and is going to post it.

Well, that's a start and maybe just what is needed to get the issues up out of the dregs of internet forums and into the realm of real activism in the world community rather than bleating about it at solely local national levels.

I think so much effort on the part of honest people of good will is lost bickering and finger pointing over completely inane rhetoric and that serves no ones interest save the Debunkers and villains of this Chemtrail / Geo-engineering nightmare.

Well, it's late here, time for me to sign off, much to do tomorrow, later.:cool:

[weatherman714]

Lou>>... do you have a cell #?

[Lou]

Lou>>... do you have a cell #?

No_why do you ask?

Neither 'Tiff' or myself have cellphones, there is no service for using them in our area, we would have to drive at least 11 miles to get to a cellphone service area within range of a tower.

I have thought about getting one to use when out and about but dislike the idea of people reaching me all the time, I value my privacy more than I do owning a cellphone. :D

[halva]

Weatherman how are you going with that man in California who did the aluminium tests?

[halva]

Here is some online discussion:

Re: Any comments on this draft petition?

Here in Greece Professor Nikos Katsaros also said that he wants us to
have a petition just for the European Union.

The first step for us here in Europe, in my view, is to find out what
the Europarliamentarian Erik Meijer has to say in response to
the "answer" he was given to his chemtrails questions by Commissioner
Stavros Dimas.

From the viewpoint of submitting formal petitions, Americans,
Canadians and Europeans will in any case have to submit separate
petitions to each goverment. For US-Americans this would mean
sticking to Cheryl O'Brien's original text.

But for our own purposes and for media and public projection the
three-country petition should be signed by all who agree with the
strategy of common action.

WH

--- In West_Coast_Chemtrails "caraway wrote:
>
> YIKES! I'm so sorry, they got one past me. I am NOT going to post
> this on arizonaskywatch.com. The authority that we have for redress
> of our grievances in this country is the US government,
specifically
> the US Congress. Just because they have been abdicating their
> authority does not mean we go to the Queen of Canada or the EU
> parliament. I CAN'T BELIEVE I FELL FOR THIS! I was tired from
working
> extra hours on my job (that's the only excuse I can think of). This
> petition is from an Internationalist group fronted by a man named
> Wayne Hall from Greece. Please DON'T FALL FOR IT the way I almost
did
> (I didn't sign it, was too tired). Please, people, the only
> governmental authority we have in this country is our own
government.
> They may be a bunch of corrupt bullies, but that only means we have
> to put them right, one way or another, and not go hat in hand to
the
> EU or the Queen of Canada. Don't go for internationalist BS. Stay
> with the US constitution. Vote for Ron Paul.
> peace (thanks for listening),
> Mike C
>

[halva]

Au Congrès des États-Unis, au Vérificateur Général du Canada, et au Parlement Européen:

NOUS, peuples des États-Unis, du Canada, et de l’Union Européenne, conformément:
(i) à la Déclaration des Droits, Premier Amendement, qui donne le droit au peuple états-unien de pétitionner le gouvernement des États-Unis,
(ii) à la Loi sur le Vérificateur Général du Canada, qui fournit aux canadiens la possibilité de déposer des pétitions concernant l’environnement, et
(iii) à la Charte des Droits Fondamentaux de l'Union Européenne qui donne le droit aux citoyens européens de pétitionner le Parlement Européen pour la réparation des torts, déclarons ce qui suit:

Attendu que des avions non marqués peignent journellement le ciel états-unien, canadien et européen avec des substances biologiquement hostiles;

Attendu que des avions qui ne comportent pas de marquage d'identification ne peuvent être identifiés comme états-uniens, canadiens, ou européens, et sont donc présumés être des avions hostiles; et

Attendu qu'il a été prouvé que ces avions non marqués émettent des substances qui dérivent vers le sol et sont nuisibles à la santé et au bien- être des citoyens états-uniens, canadiens, et européens;

Par conséquent, il a été conclu que les états-uniens, canadiens, et européens, sont, et ont été pendant des années, attaqués et sont devenus des victimes de guerre biochimique.

De plus, les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et la Commission et le Conseil Européen ont autorisé et continuent à autoriser ces avions non identifiés à relâcher des substances nocives, au-dessus du sol états-unien, canadien, et européen, qui ont été prouvées nuisibles pour les peuples états-uniens, canadiens, et européens; et

Attendu que les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et la Commission Européenne n’ont ni expliqué de façon satisfaisante ni offert de raison(s) convaincante(s) pourquoi il est dans l'intérêt des gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et/ou du gouvernement ou des gouvernements de l'Union Européenne de nuire à la majorité de ses citoyens avec ces émissions produisant des maladies potentiellement fatales; et

Attendu que, quand questionnés sur cette situation, les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et la Commission Européenne se sont livrés à des dérobades, tromperies, et obstructionnisme sur les peuples états-uniens, canadiens, et européens à la recherche de la vérité sur ce sujet.

Par conséquent, il est supposé que les avions appartiennent soit au gouvernement états-unien et/ou canadien et/ou au gouvernement ou gouvernements européen et opèrent sous le commandement direct et en pleine connaissance de cause des gouvernements des États-Unis, du Canada et de la Commission et du Conseil Européen ou les autorités nationales européennes correspondantes ou, comme alternative, que les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et le gouvernement et/ou les gouvernements de l'Union Européenne ont délibérément et volontairement conspiré avec un groupe hostile externe pour nuire aux citoyens états-uniens, canadiens et européens.

Par conséquent, il apparaît que les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et le gouvernement et/ou les gouvernements de l'Union Européenne violent de nombreux droits de leurs citoyens et ce faisant sont en situation de trahison envers leurs citoyens, il appartient aux peuples états-uniens, canadiens, et européens, d'exercer leurs droits et de tenir les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et la Commission et le Conseil Européen responsables de leurs actions ou inactions, suivant le cas.

Par conséquent, les peuples des États-Unis d’Amérique, du Canada, et de l'Union Européenne déclarent ce qui suit,

Au gouvernement des États-Unis, conformément à la Déclaration des Droits, Premier Amendement, au gouvernement du Canada, conformément à la Loi sur le Vérificateur Général du Canada, et au gouvernement et/ou gouvernements de l'Union Européenne, conformément à la Charte des Droits Fondamentaux de l’Union Européenne, les peuples des États-Unis, du Canada et de l’Union Européenne déclarent qu'ils sont affligés de la présence de “chemtrails”
dans l’espace aérien au-dessus des États-Unis, du Canada, et de l'Union Européenne et par la présente pétitionnent les gouvernements des États-Unis et du Canada et la Commission et le Conseil Européen pour prendre des mesures immédiates pour faire cesser toute activité des chemtrails dans l’espace aérien au-dessus des États-Unis, du Canada, et de l'Union Européenne.

De plus, nous, peuples des États-Unis, du Canada, et de l’Union Européenne, EXIGEONS une enquête immédiate, approfondie, et honnête, sur ce en quoi consistent réellement les substances appelées “chemtrails” et pour découvrir le but réel des épandages sur les États-Unis, le Canada, et l’Union Européenne (et sur leurs citoyens, ainsi que ceux de beaucoup d’autres pays) avec des substances nocives. Une telle enquête inclura des experts indépendants et impartiaux, ainsi que des citoyens ordinaires.

[weatherman714]

Lou>> do you have a landline I could call...it would be awesome to chat with ya. By the way the plastic fibers don't show up on radar. They blasted Arkansas and Northeastern TX today with them and no radar returns. It had the milky white signature on the water vapor satelllite photo.

Halva>> I've been away for the past week, trying to find me a g/f. Anyways could you repost that person's contact info?

My weather model missed by 12F for the high on 8/19 for BWI, the highest in the past 50 days. Before that I had 5 days out of 50 with missing more than 3F. two 4's, a 5, a 6 and a 9. All 5 days directly influenced by the USAF through chemtrails. Error falls to 1.1F from 1.6F if you take those 5 days out. The issue confirms that re-set dates allow the atmosphere to correct for weather modification. It was the Atlantic's re-set date for Baltimore on 8/19 and the temps have been running lower than where they should be for the past couple of days. The pattern should break and things should return to normal tomorrow. My new theory is how weather really works in the atmosphere. Now determining what system to go by each day is another story. 4 Coors Lights and 3 Huge J&C's baby yeahhhhh!!!!!

[halva]

Weatherman don;t bother about it if you're doing other things, forget about it. Take it easy. Follow your own priorities.

[Lou]

Lou>> do you have a landline I could call...it would be awesome to chat with ya. By the way the plastic fibers don't show up on radar. They blasted Arkansas and Northeastern TX today with them and no radar returns. It had the milky white signature on the water vapor satelllite photo.

Halva>> I've been away for the past week, trying to find me a g/f. Anyways could you repost that person's contact info?

My weather model missed by 12F for the high on 8/19 for BWI, the highest in the past 50 days. Before that I had 5 days out of 50 with missing more than 3F. two 4's, a 5, a 6 and a 9. All 5 days directly influenced by the USAF through chemtrails. Error falls to 1.1F from 1.6F if you take those 5 days out. The issue confirms that re-set dates allow the atmosphere to correct for weather modification. It was the Atlantic's re-set date for Baltimore on 8/19 and the temps have been running lower than where they should be for the past couple of days. The pattern should break and things should return to normal tomorrow. My new theory is how weather really works in the atmosphere. Now determining what system to go by each day is another story. 4 Coors Lights and 3 Huge J&C's baby yeahhhhh!!!!!

It's late, I'm tired, I don't give out our phone number, to many nut cases running around out there, Not meaning you Paul.

If you would like to shoot me an e-mail concerning something private, it's,..loutiff@adelphia.net

BTW,...Have you seen this posted by "Watchthesky" at CTC, I think yesterday, I'm loosing track of time.

Battery's are running low_have to recharge now. :D
_______________________

http://chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12445.html?sid=206af60c7da34d9f757c4ba42241e 2e6

watchthesky




Chemtrail Detection and Documentation Project Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:19 pm


I hope you don't mind if I share the latest updates on my Chemtrail Research.

Main Page: WatchtheSky.org

Chemtrail images and related upper atmospheric data:

Chemtrails Captured on Doppler Weather Radar:

Synopsis:

If the same weather related scientific parameters that are utilized by atmospheric scientists to predict the formation of the "Persistent Contrails" are applied to specific occurrences of the Chemtrail Spray Operations, it can be demonstrated that in many cases, the upper atmospheric conditions present DO NOT support the conclusion that the contrails observed are the result of hot jet engine exhaust forming long duration cirrus clouds.

There is a considerable body of scientific research and literature which documents the specific atmospheric conditions required for persistent contrail formation. The atmospheric conditions required for persistent contrail formation can be summarized as upper atmosphere temperatures of below -40 degrees Celsius and relative humidity greater than 60% .

Chemtrails Captured on NWS Doppler Weather Radar: Empirical Proof of Spray Ops http://watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm

• Operational Doppler Weather Radar CAN NOT DETECT CIRRUS CLOUDS let alone aircraft contrails.
• The radar return signal strength (Dbz levels) indicated on the left side of the images are consistent with light rainfall, yet in all of the examples the Doppler radar is operating in clear air mode, not precipitation mode.
• The set angle (4.3 deg. max) of the horizon scanning Doppler Radar is too low to detect contrails directly overhead.
• The upper atmosphere data that correlates to the date and time of most of the Doppler images indicate that conditions for persistent contrail formation are not present in the atmospheric profile.

Chemtrail images and related upper atmospheric data: http://watchthesky.org/chems/document/page1.htm

National Weather Service Forecast for Arizona: Moderate to Heavy Chemtrails

The images of Chemtrail Spray Operations on these pages are displayed with the associated upper atmosphere weather data for the twelve-hour period represented by the time and date stamp on the image. In all of the examples, the upper air data is displayed with at least TWO and in some cases THREE different National Weather Service Monitoring Sites that encompass thousands of square miles of Arizona. In every example, the upper atmosphere relative humidity levels required for jet exhaust to form "Persistent Contrails" (60%) ARE NOT FOUND at any elevation in the sounding data for the 12-hour period represented by the image at any of the monitoring sites.

[halva]

Thanks for your support at West Coast Chemtrails, Lou.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Thanks for your support at West Coast Chemtrails, Lou.

Hey Halvar,

ask will thomas, er, i mean, ask Lou aubuchont how he can wipe out chemtrails with his own mind.

[foot_soldier]

We cannot synthesize a new atmosphere.

We need to start thinking seriously about taking better care of the one we were given.

***
Aviation
Transport 2000.org

http://www.transport2000.org.uk/campaigns/Aviation.htm

Significant growth is forecast in the aviation industry both in terms of passenger travel and movement of air-freight. People and the environment face serious threats from this growth, including noise problems, possible cancer clusters around airports and climate change. Transport 2000 says it's time to manage demand for air travel and make aviation pay for the problems it causes.

Aviation has been almost the forgotten environmental issue. While growth in road traffic has led to considerable awareness of the problems caused, air travel has continued to rocket over the past few decades almost unnoticed and its effects are less well known. A research report published by Transport 2000 - The Plane Truth: Aviation and the Environment - predicts that by 2015 air travel world-wide could be more than double that in 1995. And if the trend continues, by 2050 passenger-kilometres flown could grow to between five and nine times that in the mid-90s.

Aircraft produce large amounts of toxic emissions that are a threat to human health, including nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds (VOCs). Research in the US has linked VOCs generated by Chicago-Midway Airport to elevated rates of cancer in the vicinity. Heathrow Airport is already one of this country's main producers of VOCs and building the controversial fifth terminal there will make the situation worse.

Aviation also generates levels of noise that pose a serious threat to the health of those who live around airports. The report reveals that World Health Organisation noise limits are regularly exceeded and that one in eight people in the UK are affected by noise pollution from aircraft.

In October 2001 the European court of Human Rights ruled that night flights from Heathrow violated the human rights of local residents by denying them a normal night's sleep. The UK Government has, however, successfully appealed against the decision. The latest ruling sets back attempts to bring aviation to account for its effect on local communities around airports and under flight paths.

And aviation poses a massive threat to the environment. Its projected growth means that by 2050 it is set to become one of the biggest single sources of greenhouse gas emissions with around 10 per cent of climate change directly attributable to aircraft. On short-haul flights air travel produces around three times as much carbon dioxide per passenger as rail.

While motorists could argue that through various taxes they pay something towards the environmental and social problems they cause, air travellers and airlines most certainly do not. Airlines pay no duty or VAT on aviation fuel and there is no VAT on either air tickets or new aircraft.

Transport 2000 believes that aviation needs to be held responsible for its effects on people and the environment. If air transport continues to soar in the longer term, then people and the environment will pay the price. Campaigners have called for future demand to be managed to reduce the adverse effects as much as possible. They have proposed an environmental charge on air travel based on emissions and the ending of tax exemptions on aviation fuel. The need for more stringent standards on noise and emissions around airports, better monitoring of the effects of air travel and more promotion of the alternatives, such as rail for short-haul flights, are also clear.

Some people say that restricting aviation growth would have serious effects on the economy but The Plane Truth report sheds doubt on this. Professor John Whitelegg, who compiled the report, says this assumption is at best questionable and quite probably flawed, and that limiting aviation traffic might even deliver positive economic benefits..... (continued)

The Plane Truth: Aviation and the Environment
Transport 2000
www.us-caw.org/planetr.pdf
.

[halva]

Do you make any demands on the airport protesters at Heathrow, Footsoldier? Or on their scientific advisors?

[halva]

Should Erik Meijer just shut up with his questions to the European Commission?

[halva]

Footsoldier?

[Lou]

Thanks for your support at West Coast Chemtrails, Lou.

Your welcome Wayne.

That kind of response to me is just inanely selfish and narrow minded, we have to start thinking in more broader terms than a limited national response to the spraying / geo-engineering issues, as I said in my e-mail "It's a world problem, not just an American problem".

[halva]

Will Thomas also responded finally.

[halva]

Do you make any demands on the airport protesters at Heathrow, Footsoldier? Or on their scientific advisors?

Dr. Simon Lewis did give a polite reply. But he said he is not an expert on aviation and suggests that we should consult such experts on the question of Commissioner Dimas' reply to the parliamentary question. I did politely tell him a very very little about what experience has shown us about the "experts".

[Lou]

Hey Halvar,

ask will thomas, er, i mean, ask Lou aubuchont how he can wipe out chemtrails with his own mind.

Well 'Jeffie Boy' AKA = "FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe"/ may41970 / Jeff Reynolds / socrates / The_Last_Name_Left / TROUBLEMAKER / Flamer / Troll and all around general A-hole."

It must really PISS YOU OFF to no end that all of your efforts in writing to 'Will Thomas' trying to cause trouble and make a name for yourself have been a complete waste of time.,........ Ha.:D

It's like I told you MORON, 'Will' could care less about IDIOTS like you, your a dime a dozen and cheaper by the lot, your lame attempts at pitting 'Tiff' myself and 'Will' against each other was laughable to us, still is as you just will never "GET IT", your just an ANGRY little CREEP with nothing better to do than try and cause trouble at other peoples expense but you just keep failing because your an IDIOT.

And "Yes" we do communicate with 'Will' on a regular basis as you can plainly see below_Man, your pathetic.

The e-mail was "CC" to other people as well but I've removed there names as not to involve them with you.

Keep on wasting your time 'Jeffie Boy', we need a laugh once in awhile. :D________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From:WILLTHOMAS
To: STLA
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Chemtrail Detection and Documentation Project


This is excellent information! Thank you very much. I will mention this during my chemtrails presentation on Salt Spring Island this coming Sunday.

My best to you,
Will Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: STLA
To: WILLTHOMAS
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Chemtrail Detection and Documentation Project


FYI:

Posted at "Chemtrail Central" 8/22/07

http://chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12445.html?sid=7b686b3c40598b34178c7a3d482d3 c44
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watchthesky,..............




Chemtrail Detection and Documentation Project Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:19 pm


I hope you dont mind if I share the latest updates on my Chemtrail Research.

Main Page: WatchtheSky.org

Chemtrail images and related upper atmospheric data:

Chemtrails Captured on Doppler Weather Radar:

Synopsis:

If the same weather related scientific parameters that are utilized by atmospheric scientists to predict the formation of the "Persistent Contrails" are applied to specific occurrences of the Chemtrail Spray Operations, it can be demonstrated that in many cases, the upper atmospheric conditions present DO NOT support the conclusion that the contrails observed are the result of hot jet engine exhaust forming long duration cirrus clouds.

There is a considerable body of scientific research and literature which documents the specific atmospheric conditions required for persistent contrail formation. The atmospheric conditions required for persistent contrail formation can be summarized as upper atmosphere temperatures of below -40 degrees Celsius and relative humidity greater than 60% .

Chemtrails Captured on NWS Doppler Weather Radar: Empirical Proof of Spray Ops http://watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm

• Operational Doppler Weather Radar CAN NOT DETECT CIRRUS CLOUDS let alone aircraft contrails.
• The radar return signal strength (Dbz levels) indicated on the left side of the images are consistent with light rainfall, yet in all of the examples the Doppler radar is operating in clear air mode, not precipitation mode.
• The set angle (4.3 deg. max) of the horizon scanning Doppler Radar is too low to detect contrails directly overhead.
• The upper atmosphere data that correlates to the date and time of most of the Doppler images indicate that conditions for persistent contrail formation are not present in the atmospheric profile.

Chemtrail images and related upper atmospheric data: http://watchthesky.org/chems/document/page1.htm

National Weather Service Forecast for Arizona: Moderate to Heavy Chemtrails

The images of Chemtrail Spray Operations on these pages are displayed with the associated upper atmosphere weather data for the twelve-hour period represented by the time and date stamp on the image. In all of the examples, the upper air data is displayed with at least TWO and in some cases THREE different National Weather Service Monitoring Sites that encompass thousands of square miles of Arizona. In every example, the upper atmosphere relative humidity levels required for jet exhaust to form "Persistent Contrails" (60%) ARE NOT FOUND at any elevation in the sounding data for the 12-hour period represented by the image at any of the monitoring sites.





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[Lou]

Will Thomas also responded finally.

Yes, that's good Wayne, I hope he answered your questions to your satisfaction.

Isn't it a pity that he will not respond to "socrates" / 'Jeffie Boy's' moronic e-mails :rolleyes:.:D

Wonder why not? :rolleyes::D

[halva]

I don't know how Jeff Reynolds/Socrates acquired this habit of getting involved in other people's arguments before understanding the views of EITHER side.

But he has wrecked his own chances of earning respect from anybody. The only thing he has got going for him is his anyonymity, so that he can assume another identity - perhaps his real identity - just don't tell anyone that he was Socrates/Jeff Reynolds - and, for example, promote the Cheryl O'Brien petition in the national or international version at other forums where he will not be recognized.

He should ditch Socrates/Jeff Reynolds now if he doesn't want to end up literally insane,

What kind of a lunatic idea was it to want to be Jay Reynolds' long-lost cousin? Another poor fool misled by the phony glamour of the intelligent and utterly stupid Reynolds, on the same level as the half-wit debunkers he used to have in tow. .

[Lou]

I don't know how Jeff Reynolds/Socrates acquired this habit of getting involved in other people's arguments before understanding the views of EITHER side.

But he has wrecked his own chances of earning respect from anybody. The only thing he has got going for him is his anyonymity, so that he can assume another identity - perhaps his real identity - just don't tell anyone that he was Socrates/Jeff Reynolds - and, for example, promote the Cheryl O'Brien petition in the national or international version at other forums where he will not be recognized.

He should ditch Socrates/Jeff Reynolds now if he doesn't want to end up literally insane,

What kind of a lunatic idea was it to want to be Jay Reynolds' long-lost cousin? Another poor fool misled by the phony glamour of the intelligent and utterly stupid Reynolds, on the same level as the half-wit debunkers he used to have in tow. .

Your absolutely correct Wayne, he can't go anyplace now and expect any kind of respect or credibility from anyone using these WELL KNOWN ALIASES of his, it would be like walking into a room full of people and announcing that you have