Current Affaris vs Off topi

[Gerry]

It is becoming rather apparent that the topic of a particular post is not the issue, but the author.

So, it is that all posts about 'Ingrid' by all people (who object) other than "ingrid" (FBWC) himself have been removed whereas HIS post remains. I wonder what constitutes "current event" about FBWC's post that discusses WHO first pointed out that he was a fake?

It seems to me that anyone falling from the sky and reading these posts here would consider the majority of posts NON"current event, certainly NOT FBWC's rendition of the Vigin Mary posing as "Ingrid" , the puny photo notwithstanding.

[J. Paul Marat]

Here's the latest "Private Message" from Fair, Balanced & Who Cares

Ingrid
Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Here in USA now
Posts: 519


What the Fuck?

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You're threatening to do physical violence to a man in his seventies because Gerry didn't like a fictional character on a message board?

I retract my apology.

You need help. Serious help. I regret all those years I thought you were "OK." Why are you taking a god damn message forum this seriously?

Respond, or be a pussy.

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Once George Harrison of the Beatles said, "You are what you eat."

So, Richard, I guess you've got a point.

[Lib]

Hmmm. Couldn't we all just get along?

It seems that there is a rough equity of injury to all the parties involved. It also seems there is no way for all to win as they might define it.

If we can't just get along, how about an armistice in place? Nobody admits they were wrong. Nobody keeps trying to prove they were right. We just lay down the arms, stop bickering about it and move on.

Make peace and set a good example. It's the liberal thing to do.

[Gerry]

Here's the latest "Private Message" from Fair, Balanced & Who Cares

Ingrid
Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Here in USA now
Posts: 519


What the Fuck?

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You're threatening to do physical violence to a man in his seventies because Gerry didn't like a fictional character on a message board?

I retract my apology.

You need help. Serious help. I regret all those years I thought you were "OK." Why are you taking a god damn message forum this seriously?

Respond, or be a pussy.

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Once George Harrison of the Beatles said, "You are what you eat."

So, Richard, I guess you've got a point.



That's the Virgin Mother for you. But , no doubt , this writing is all "filth" as defined by some of his minions.

He is So delusional he is completely clueless on what HE did subsequently after he was exposed . His persistent PMs, his telling me that EVERYONE LOVES "her" His lying about YOU, and then crying about "poor Marat....WHY are you doing this to him?"

I have received a few private e-mails I will not divulge but who claim that early on, (I was too busy working) he PM-ed other posters with the question whether they had any idea as to who he was? When some of them did not at first, although they knew "her" to be fake, he was ever so pleased. When subsequently some of them PM-ed him that they had discovered who he was he proudly PM-ed back that it was Denny who had discovered him first LOL. We are dealing with an insecure angry child who throws temper tantrums when things don't go his way.

The multiple personality issue does not become invalid because he withdrew the name FBWC. the Moderators KNEW of his identity and they should have denied this new identity. They did not. Instead they are willingly catering to whole scale deception, making this forum and every discussion he engages in a joke.

[April15]

I like the joke.

[Mike]

I really don't feel that anyone threatened to do physical harm "to someone in his 70's", and if he did, this particular individual isn't very worried about it. In reality, J. Paul Marat is a pretty honorable individual, IMO. If he saw a motorcyclist with a beard it wasn't me.

The discussion concerns whether or not I've made proper judgements concerning what belongs "Off Topic..." and what belongs in "Current Events". Maybe "off Topic..." is too broad a category. Perhaps there should be a forum entitled, "Flaming" (Actually, some boards have such a forum :rolleyes: )

I really couldn't much care less about the nature of "ingrid". If she's FBWC in drag, so what? A single person with that persona ISN'T posting to this board using two different names. If anyone seriously thinks that constantly harping on that constitutes "Current Events" we need to have a forum entitled "Vocabulary Lessons"

Let's all lighten up a skosh here... :confused:

[Tachyon]

Seriously, we put up with that asshole Feinberg for years.

Thats as fake as fake can be.

[Lib]

The multiple personality issue does not become invalid because he withdrew the name FBWC. the Moderators KNEW of his identity and they should have denied this new identity. They did not. Instead they are willingly catering to whole scale deception, making this forum and every discussion he engages in a joke.
I won't comment on this specific case.

As a general matter, you just can't post with multiple names at the same time. That's all there is to the rule.

Do I personally think it is a good idea to pose as someone you are not? No.

[Ingrid]

Always I am amazed that posts to Arianna forum by small blonde girl have caused this uproar. And now, perhaps someone will show me one post that is even tiny bit offensive to any persons? Personal attack? Insult? Angry words? Bogus Private Messages do not count, of course. Please back up all accusations with links, and I will gladly apologize for any offense I have caused. :)

[Mike]

the Moderators KNEW of his identity and they should have denied this new identity. They did not. Instead they are willingly catering to whole scale deception, making this forum and every discussion he engages in a joke.That's false, Gerry. New identities are granted by the software in use, not by moderators.

The identity Fair &Balance... was evidently deleted by administration per a request...and not a request from either of the two moderators of the board.

Gerry, I don't mind taking my "lumps" when I deserve them, but I sure as hell "mind" getting blamed for acts I had no part of...

[Ingrid]

Always I would hate to think uproar is because I have not idly let hate to Jews be posted unchallenged!

[April15]

Here is my take. If you feel that things are wrong complain to the moderator. If the moderator doesn't act then go home little boy/girl. Grow up. This is supposed to be an adult discussion place.

[Mykel]

Gerry, hon, you KNOWS I loves ya, but really---can you just LET IT GO about Ingrid, already?

If you didn't have a problem with me dressing up---and acting, talking and posting---as "Jessica" my female alter ego, then why would you have a problem with the idea that Ingrid might well be the inimitable Fair & Balanced Who Cares?

Let a man experiment with his inner feminine.

No one minds that you experiment with your inner masculine!

Mykel

[Lib]

Okay, in a few minutes I shall move this thread to Off Topic.

I should like to say to the assembled funeral congregants that I dearly hope the whole topic has a much-deserved, lonely, unnoticed, unattended and unmourned death.

Pretty please.

[Gerry]

The discussion concerns whether or not I've made proper judgements concerning what belongs "Off Topic..." and what belongs in "Current Events". Maybe "off Topic..." is too broad a category. Perhaps there should be a forum entitled, "Flaming" (Actually, some boards have such a forum :rolleyes: )

It was HIGHLY improper and so was Lib. Responding to histronics is not, usually, a good thing.

I really couldn't much care less about the nature of "ingrid". If she's FBWC in drag, so what? A single person with that persona ISN'T posting to this board using two different names. If anyone seriously thinks that constantly harping on that constitutes "Current Events" we need to have a forum entitled "Vocabulary Lessons"

It should be. You know full well who "ingrid" is, and since multiple personalities are not allowed, you should not have allowed him to switch to a different one that is pretending to be a woman, for God sakes. This is not a case of simply switching handles. this is whole scale deception and a bore that threatens to undue this board. When there is no more integrity left in the posters and the moderators show very little of it themselves, why bother coming here.
It's become a snakepit.

Let's all lighten up a skosh here... :confused:

Lighten up,??? how about some decency, honesty, character, and fairness here?

[April15]

Lib,
A small suggestion, put about ingrid over there too. That seems to be what alot of the fuss is about.

[Gerry]

Gerry, hon, you KNOWS I loves ya, but really---can you just LET IT GO about Ingrid, already?

If you didn't have a problem with me dressing up---and acting, talking and posting---as "Jessica" my female alter ego, then why would you have a problem with the idea that Ingrid might well be the inimitable Fair & Balanced Who Cares?

Let a man experiment with his inner feminine.

No one minds that you experiment with your inner masculine!

Mykel

Mykel, You have NEVER pretended to be something you were not. Have YOU?? Not to ME!!!

Because it is revolting to read holier than thou rhetoric coming from someone who's anger and tempertantrums have made many people on this board miserable. Who has posted more than once not only personal information about other posters, but also their family members. It's not real Mykel, and I come here to post, to exchange thoughts, to learn, to uphold and support others, such as yourself, and to read the occasional rant, but at least they are from real people. THIS is a freaking waste of my time. and unless it stops I am out of here.

[Gerry]

I won't comment on this specific case.

Now that is very telling isn't it? Are you married to FBWC? Are you the bleached blonde perhaps? What's your excuse for your miserable and poor conduct lady.

[Gerry]

It should not have escaped anyone that many good posters have left this forum. Biederman, I hardly ever see PatRiot and there are many more.

Perhaps one should ask why that IS! Perhaps the guard at the gate requires changing.!!

[Sam Ayyam]

Gerry, I love you (excepting that Pim Fortuyn thing), but seriously: Get thee to a coffee shop or something, eh! Ain't woth your time and blood pressure worrying about this. If Ingrid bugs you because you think she's FB, I suggest you put he/she/it on "ignore" and let us all MoveOn.

K?

[Gerry]

Gerry, I love you (excepting that Pim Fortuyn thing), but seriously: Get the to a coffee shop, eh! Ain't woth your time and blood pressure worrying about this. If Ingrid bugs you because you think she's FB, I suggest you put he/she/it on "ignore" let us all MoveOn.

K?

I don't "THINK" he is Ingrid, He admitted it. The Moderators also know that.
This is a snakepit. And not worth my time.

[Ingrid]

Now that is very telling isn't it? Are you married to FBWC? Are you the bleached blonde perhaps? What's your excuse for your miserable and poor conduct lady.

I believe Lib is male.

[Mike]

you should not have allowed him to switch to a different one that is pretending to be a woman, for God sakes. This is not a case of simply switching handles. this is whole scale deception and a bore that threatens to undue this board.For what I hope is the last time, Gerry...

The moderators of this board

DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT NAME.....

A name was evidently deleted from the roster of registered posters here...That name was "Fair &Balanced..." Neither I nor Lib was asked for the deletion, since we didn't have such authority anyway. Neither of us was privy to the deletion either before or after the fact.

Following such a deletion (it could have been weeks...I have no idea...) a new poster registered with the posting name "Ingrid". Neither I nor Lib was consulted. We weren't asked for a letter of recommendation, or to provide bonafides. The board has well over 700 registered "guests". The poster in question -- Ingrid -- doesn't have to pass muster for you nor to either of us.

If you want someone to blame for this fiasco, look somewhere else.

[Mike]

And not worth my time.That's frankly the first postive thing you've said.

I encourage you...go with your feelings. You'll be happier for it.

[Gerry]

The moderators of this board

DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT NAME.....

Of course you did. He pulled his FBWC and substituted it for the holy virgin by the name of "Ingrid" Who is now found to be quoting Bible verses to safe his soul, and get some support from the Bible thumping crowd.

Following such a deletion (it could have been weeks...I have no idea...) a new poster registered with the posting name "Ingrid". Neither I nor Lib was consulted. We weren't asked for a letter of recommendation, or to provide bonafides. The board has well over 700 registered "guests". The poster in question -- Ingrid -- doesn't have to pass muster for you nor to either of us.

And no one ever checked his IP.?? Even after this debacle started.

If you want someone to blame for this fiasco, look somewhere else.


Oh, WHO? Who's in charge. YOU tell ME!.

See, Mike, I will buy that FBWC snuck this whole switch by you, but no one bothered to check his IP once it was disclosed who he was. Nothing was ever done to tell him to tone it down, to stop his whining, but Lib managed, in a PM to me to inform me that FBWC had informed HER of .......WHAT did he inform her off Mike??? And why are you folks defending what is obviously a nutcase in dire need of attention, who is seeking to destroy this forum. THAT IS THE CARDINALE QUESTION.

And WHY does she post above that she will not address THIS case. What's so special about THIS case Mike. Is she married to FBWC? Is this a family thing??? Huh???

[Mike]

Of course you did. He pulled his FBWC and substituted it for the holy virgin by the name of "Ingrid" Who is now found to be quoting Bible verses to safe his soul, and get some support from the Bible thumping crowd. Not a chance. The hypothetical is this, Gerry: One poster has his name removed by administration (that's not US, Gerry), and some time later, a new poster registers. Our responsibity is enforcing posting rules, not monitoring who registers. The poster in question RIGHT NOW, has no other names nor IP's being represented by posts on the board.

And no one ever checked his IP.?? Even after this debacle started. The "debacle" (as you term it...) has only to do with your own pique over the poster, "Ingrid". Please cite for me what rules you think she's currently breaking. If you can find one (or more) I'll take whatever action is appropriate.

Oh, WHO? Who's in charge. YOU tell ME!. Everyone involved has their own level of responsibility. Mine doesn't happen to be trying to enforce rules that DON'T EXIST.

See, Mike, I will buy that FBWC snuck this whole switch by you, but no one bothered to check his IP once it was disclosed who he was. Nothing was ever done to tell him to tone it down, to stop his whining,Tone what down, Gerry? Cite the rules the poster, Ingrid, was breaking, then we'll have something to talk about.

but Lib managed, in a PM to me to inform me that FBWC had informed HER of .......WHAT did he inform her off Mike??? I haven't a clue...ask Lib.

And why are you folks defending what is obviously a nutcase in dire need of attention, who is seeking to destroy this forum. THAT IS THE CARDINALE QUESTION. There are a sufficient number of "nutcases" around this forum to preclude my having to defend any particular one. Again, what rules have been broken by "Ingrid"? Have you ever found a case of her posting concurrently with another name? Let us know...

And WHY does she post above that she will not address THIS case. What's so special about THIS case Mike. Is she married to FBWC? Is this a family thing??? Huh???You're evidently trying to draw some sort of parallel between a refusal to offer abstract and hypothetical answers to some sort of "confirmation" that you've been right all along. Don't go into the law as a second profession, Gerry. It won't treat you well...

[Gerry]

The "debacle" (as you term it...) has only to do with your own pique over the poster, "Ingrid". Please cite for me what rules you think she's currently breaking. If you can find one (or more) I'll take whatever action is appropriate.

Oh really? Let's put things in their proper perspective.

I started to question FBWC and pointed out that schools in Scandinavia do not teach English grammar that poorly and that his spelling was better than my own and therefore I considered him a fake. THIS RESULTED IN A NUMBER OF VERY RAPID PMs directed to me. In which he FIRST pretended to be "Ingrid" and continued his charade. He subsequently said that he didn't give a shit whether I liked "her" or not, and that "Ingrid" was there to stay until he got tired of her. I posted all these PM's which Lib conveniently pulled. Why did she do that Mike. Perhaps you can ask her. He then made that stupid comment about Marat, which got him all twisted. More PM's followed. The following morning I found the 25 e-mails in my AOL box. And I did all these things. I created the cabal. I wrote all these PMs like a lunatic and I bombed my own AOL with 25 posts from Arianna stating that my mailbiox was full and Ingrid wanted to sent me a message. 25 of them!!!
Not having been aware of the switch of identity is no excuse for not responding once you knew what he had done. Then the personal attacks on me and the harassment that followed until the following day, is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable and should NEVER be tolerated. But I didn't ask YOU to do anything did I?? Did I come whining?? NOpe!!

But, parts of my posts were deleted (Marat part, which had him in stiches) and all the vicious attacks on me remained, so we have here selective removal. Just like we are observing selective removel from the Current Affairs to the Off Topic. Things are quite out of control are they not Mike. When more post end up on the off Topic you might as well close down the current affairs site. When Happy New Year is banned to the off topic you guys are really cracked.

What precisely is FBWC's connection to the Moderators of this Forum??? I think there is a pretty good guess that FBWC is married to Lib!! THAT would explain the incredible nonsense that went on a few days ago and Lib even managed to BAN me from the forum for, what was it , a few hours, to make a point was it? Oh I completely forgot to mention Lib's posts to me. So between FBWC and Lib I was kept pretty busy answering post. They make a good duet.

Can you picture the whole thing now? And I created this??? Really??? Via remote control???

Everyone involved has their own level of responsibility. Mine doesn't happen to be trying to enforce rules that DON'T EXIST.

Very nice and evasive when I asked you who's in charge. It's a rather simple question Mike. When ONE member looses his cool and affects others negatively and imposes himself on one in particular like he did to me I expect those in charge, like yourself to take certain steps that this does not happen again. The problem is that I didn't complain. The problem IS that I asumed that once I posted the PMs someone in charge would sent him a message to cut it out. But no one did. Instead the nutcase was cajoled and the victim ME, was chastised and had posts redacted and subsequently removed altogether.

So yes, you guys DID take action, kind of to the wrong person. And you're still taking action, against everyone who's not kissing FBWC's ass. Why is THAT?

but Lib managed, in a PM to me to inform me that FBWC had informed HER of .......WHAT did he inform her off Mike???

I haven't a clue...ask Lib.

I am asking YOU is Lib married to FBWC?. A simple answer will do.

And WHY does she post above that she will not address THIS case. What's so special about THIS case Mike. Is she married to FBWC? Is this a family thing??? Huh??? (gerry)

You're evidently trying to draw some sort of parallel between a refusal to offer abstract and hypothetical answers to some sort of "confirmation" that you've been right all along. Don't go into the law as a second profession, Gerry. It won't treat you well...Mike

Evasive Mike,. evasive. Why will she not address this case. What makes this case different from any other? She is a moderator and by definition is required to be impartial. Quite clearly she is not. And when called upon she will not address the problem. So there is a reason. Elimentary Mike, very elimentary,. And in a Court of Law she would have been required to answer. So much for your familiarity with the law.

This problem was created singlehandedly by FBWC and the shit has hit the fan and I am not lying down nor rolling over. Some people need to grow up and take responsibility for their actions.

Now he can come clean and apologize to me for his incredible infantile conduct and his spamming my PM box. That would be a nice gesture to things returning to somewhat normal. Then you can return most of these post back to the current affairs forum and normalcy will return. Whether FBWC will ever have any credibility on this forum is debatable.

[Lib]

You are extremely argumentative Gerry, and in this matter you appear not to be able to see any point of view but your own.

I'm not going to argue with you. I have made a few attempts but now I have decided to return to my old rule and simply cease to explain my actions. You are never going to agree that anyone other than you is right. It is more than a waste of time to engage you.

I am a moderator. You are not. It is my opinion, given the record of your participation here, including in this very matter, that you would never be chosen to moderate this forum.

I do my best to be fair and balanced. I am completely indifferent to your disagreeing no matter how long and loud you wish to carry this tantrum on.

I try to apply the rules as even-handedly to you as anyone else. I am satisfied that I do that satisfactorily well. I do not pretend to be perfefct nor to be Solomon. I make mistakes. However, know this: if you break a serious rule I will not hesitate to deal with it because you have threatened to tattle or make trouble.

It appears to me that you are so angry in this "snakepit" and so unable to participate constructively that it is time for you to leave.

Now, as far as I can see, I am done talking with you about this.

[Gerry]

You are extremely argumentative Gerry, and in this matter you appear not to be able to see any point of view but your own.

That is YOUR opnion. Evidently you need an excuse to justify your own actions, which are highly questionable. So you make me argumentative. That makes YOUR actions absolutely pure as the snow.

I'm not going to argue with you. I have made a few attempts but now I have decided to return to my old rule and simply cease to explain my actions. You are never going to agree that anyone other than you is right. It is more than a waste of time to engage you.

Of course you won't for that would mean culpability in this whole debacle, would it not?
And No dear, you have made NO attempts except to order me to withdraw the thread and when I didn't you pulled it. You consider that a resonable attempt.? I don't. You furthermore cancelled my access to this forum for a few hours, to make a point, I suspect. The point being, that YOU have the power to do so?

I have a question that I have asked many times now. Since I have your attention I will ask again. Are you married to FBWC? is there a family tie here.? Are you his mother, or sister?

am a moderator. You are not. It is my opinion, given the record of your participation here, including in this very matter, that you would never be chosen to moderate this forum.

What in the world makes you think I would want to be a moderator. Puleeze!! I have far better things to do with my time.

I do my best to be fair and balanced. I am completely indifferent to your disagreeing no matter how long and loud you wish to carry this tantrum on.

Now THAT has a familiar ring "fair and balanced" Hmm. Was that a Freudian slip dear?

I try to apply the rules as even-handedly to you as anyone else. I am satisfied that I do that satisfactorily well. I do not pretend to be perfefct nor to be Solomon. I make mistakes. However, know this: if you break a serious rule I will not hesitate to deal with it because you have threatened to tattle or make trouble.

Well there was a kink in the cabal a few evenings ago when your family member Fair &
Balanced Who Cares got carried away and went bonkers. I did not HE did. And then he engaged YOU. I cannot remember ever having engaged you. Please refresh my memory.
No you are not like Solomon, not even close. You enforce rules selectively. I have never threatened to tattle. I have made you a promise that IF you pulled anymore of my threads I would list the 25 e-mails in my AOL account as spam. And I did. I never threaten. I have broken NO rules. Your enfant terrible HAS, multiple. He has violated the trust people had in him and whether he will ever recover that trust is debatable. He has 'ordered me around and called me names like a 3 year old. So lets grow up and take responsibility for our own actions shall we. ??

It appears to me that you are so angry in this "snakepit" and so unable to participate constructively that it is time for you to leave.

I detect a threat there. If this forum has become a snakepit it is in great part due to your protection of a nutcase who believes he can do as he pleases without any consequences. He must have a reason for thinking that. Why would he think that?

I agree, you are done talking to me.

[Lib]

Gerry, I have read your post. I have nothing to say to you.

[Gerry]

Gerry, I have read your post. I have nothing to say to you.


That is a relief at the same time a confirmation that what I suspect about the connection between you and FBWC is true.

Thank you. Now we know what went on 2 days ago. And why FBWC got away with it.