There Is An Exit Plan!!!!!

[Susan Lynn Rapp]

After having read Arianna's latest column I just felt it necessary to remind everyone that there WAS/IS an exit plan for getting out of Iraq. Democratic Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich had a 10 point plan for exiting out of Iraq on his Campaign website for several months. He certainly had his faithful supporters, me being one of them. Sadly many people voted out of fear this time around and not from their heart and when you do that you get.........well,....... you get what we got --- BUSH for another FOUR YEARS!!!!!

I hope and pray with all my heart that by the time the next campaign season starts for President in 2008 people will have come to realize the power in voting your heart.

Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in the White House that would actually represent WE THE PEOPLE for a change? Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in the White House who is intelligent, funny, and has a capacity for compassion?

Dennis Kucinich would be a fantastic President. I hope he decides to run again and if he does I will be supporting him 100%.

I hope you all join me with all your heart in supporting Dennis Kucinich in 2008 if the opportunity arises.

NOBODY BUT DENNIS 2008! :)

Susan Lynn Rapp

[a-Citisen]

I have seen D.Kucinich and he is not much to see. I have listened to him talk and his voice needs some voice-coaching. DK is a long long very long way from the oval office. And, he ain't got no redimade publicity pictures of himself in physical glory- steriod or other, like A'Schwartz'does. And like A.Schwartz'is only @5'9", how tall is this DK guy?

[Yaak]

I hope and pray with all my heart that by the time the next campaign season starts for President in 2008 people will have come to realize the power in voting your heart.

Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in the White House that would actually represent WE THE PEOPLE for a change? Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in the White House who is intelligent, funny, and has a capacity for compassion?
It's not going to happen Susan and here is why:

Democrat = Republican
Republican = Democrat

Nothing is going to change, everything is going to keep getting worse until people become aware of the above equation and begin voting third party candidates in. That isn't going to happen, because the controlled media will prevent it.

It's over. Get used to it. America is gone.

[gaiacomm]

A Socialist regime would be a good change for America!

[james82]

America is gone.

C'mon, don't whine. Upward and onward, America will go in spite of your naysaying. For example, you've been wrong about nearly for the past several years, why should you be correct now, right? :D

[Yaak]

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james82, I believe that there may have been a word or two accidentally omitted by you from your post, rendering it unintelligible.


Gaiacomm, we’ve had a socialist regime for approximately the past 80 years. What we need is a federal government stripped to the limits provided by the Constitution - a true Republican form of government.

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[LeoO]

Kucinich didn't have a plan, he had a slogan: "US out and UN in".

Of course his slogan carefully ignored the glaring reality that, unlike the US, the UN turned tail and ran after the first attack directed against its personnel. Aside from a handful of election monitors that have trickled back in, the UN has no one in the country.

Does anyone think that UN peackeppers would have stormed Fallujah or gone toe-to-toe with thugs like Moqtada al-Sadr or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? Of course not.

Under a Kucinich administration, America would have disgracefully turned tail and fled Iraq, and every woman who didn't cover herself in burlap from head to foot, every humanitarian foreign aid worker, every decent Iraqi who is trying to build a democratic and tolerant nation, would have been murdered.

The world is a dangerous and deadly-serious place, and goofy silly flower-children like Kucinich, who refuse to observe and react to reality, constitute a menace to innocent people around them.

[dewey189]

<every woman who didn't cover herself in burlap from head to foot, >

Iraq was a secular nation.

<every humanitarian foreign aid worker, every decent Iraqi who is trying to build a democratic and tolerant nation, would have been murdered.>

Far as I know, Iraqis weren't trying to build a democratic nation on their own. They didn't want it bad enough.

[LeoO]

every woman who didn't cover herself in burlap from head to foot,

Iraq was a secular nation.

FIrst of all, Saddam was more than willing to cloak himself in the trappings of Islam and Islamism. After the Gulf War he added the Muslim slogan "Allahu Akbar" to the Iraqi flag. He was constantly shown praying on TV. Iraq's official policy was one of vicious discrimination against the Shi'ites, preventing traditional pilgrimages to Shi'ite holy sites. Iraq propaganda abounded with talk of Allah and infidels and all the rest of it.

And the Ba'athists were more than happy to cooperate with religious terrorists, both before and after 9/11 and before and after the US-led liberation. The fact is that in today's Iraq the religious extremists have promoted a climate of fear and repression where women fear showing their faces, let alone their ankles.

every humanitarian foreign aid worker, every decent Iraqi who is trying to build a democratic and tolerant nation, would have been murdered.

Far as I know, Iraqis weren't trying to build a democratic nation on their own. They didn't want it bad enough.

Your ignorant smug dismissive callousness amazes me. Iraq was a tyranny on the scale of Hitler and Stalin. The highest priority of the state was to prevent democracy and freedom, and it was willing to go to any lengths. Anyone who spoke out against Saddam would have his tongue torn out, nailed to a board, and the board put on display in his neighborhood or village. Children would be tortured in front of their parents, women raped in front of their husbands and fathers. Iraq is a land of mass graves, still being uncovered. Tanks would run over lines of men told to lie down in front of them. The regime used poison gas as a tool of mass murder more than once. There were no less than seven different secuirty and secret police organizations with spies and informants everywhere. It wasn't enough not to criticize Saddam, you were forced to praise him on command, jump up and down for the cameras, sing songs praising him, etc.

All this repression and control was necessary precisely because Iraqis desperately hated Saddam and his regime. The north and south of Iraq broke out in armed revolts in 1991. In the 1980s the north revolted so seriously that they used poison gas. And as far as the Sunni center, numerous coup and assasination attempts forced Saddam to live a lifestyle of extreme paranoia, living on the move, with ridiculous lengths necessary even for a Cabinet meeting (his own ministers strip searched). Even his sons-in-law defected to Jordan. They were lured back with promises of amnesty and promptly tortured to death.

Unless you have lived under a regime like that, every day, not even trusting to confide in your family because of the pervasive informants and intimidation, how dare you say that Iraqis' failure to cast off their regime indicates an indifference or insufficient effort? What would you have done???

[gaiacomm]

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james82, I believe that there may have been a word or two accidentally omitted by you from your post, rendering it unintelligible.


Gaiacomm, we’ve had a socialist regime for approximately the past 80 years. What we need is a federal government stripped to the limits provided by the Constitution - a true Republican form of government.

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Yes, that could work with honest people managing!