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gregmilliken
10-29-2004, 06:54 PM
Maybe Ariana should spend more time praying about this.

All I can say is that her diatribe puts truth to the saying, "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

Here we have Ariana decrying Bush's faith, while claiming her own and that of others -- the irony of this is truly rich -- and at the same time sticking up to help, I suppose, all those uninformed "evangelicals" who she apparently despises from being duped by Bush. All sprinkled liberally (no pun intended) with personal attacks.

It amazes me how Bush's detractors can simultaneously characterize him as a complete bumbling idiot and a diabolical, evil genius capable of controlling the world! <insert laughter like Doctor Evil from Austin Powers here>

Personally, I don't find Bush's faith strange or threatening. I do, on the other hand, find the statement that he is just like Al Qaeda and the Islamic Fundamentalist enemy to be so absurd that, for me at least, it completely destroys the argument.

I also find it interesting that many of those attacking Bush for his faith are -- guess what? -- now suddenly faithful too! And what do you know, John Kerry carries a bible and rosary with him on the campaign trail (there's a subtle message there if you read it closely). I wonder where that bible and rosary go when he's not on the campaign trail? Not that I really care whether he carries these as proof of his "faith," but how revealing Ariana's own words are.

Love,
G

SmartFun
11-04-2004, 01:10 AM
Brother, you are wrong is so many ways I gotta figure out where to go first.

"It amazes me how Bush's detractors can simultaneously characterize him as a complete bumbling idiot and a diabolical, evil genius capable of controlling the world!"

It's not a total contradiction. Bush is a moron, by any Presidential standard. However, that doesn't mean he can't be shrewd and politically capable. And the current situation now allows him to enact some pretty harmful stuff. Doesn't make him smart, but it does make him dangerous.

"Personally, I don't find Bush's faith strange or threatening. I do, on the other hand, find the statement that he is just like Al Qaeda and the Islamic Fundamentalist enemy to be so absurd that, for me at least, it completely destroys the argument."

"Well, you don't get it, do you? I'm one of the ones that finds such simple-mindedness out of place in a complicated and diverse world. It's not becoming, to me, for the leader of the most powerful democracy in the world. Look at how much more sophisticated our counterparts in Western Europe are in this regard (clearly to me).

And what is absurd about the correct correlation between the religious fundamentalists in the MidEast and the ones here? Sure, there are differences, but the argument is there. Both sides have an unyeilding worldview that is not terribly compromising of nonbelievers and opposing faiths (a mulitcultural democracy like the US tones down the rhetoric from the American evengeligals, but the sentiment is there). Both clearly are retrograde and less than stellar in its treatment of women. Obviously Islamic fundamentalism in the Mideast is more primitive, violent, and overtly political, but neither of these sides are anything the modern secular world should want around.

"I also find it interesting that many of those attacking Bush for his faith are -- guess what? -- now suddenly faithful too! And what do you know, John Kerry carries a bible and rosary with him on the campaign trail "

Huh? Who's faithful? Oh, John Kerry doing that on the campaign? (Sigh) That's a sop to those unfortunate voters who seem to need to see that sort of thing-Kerry is a politician you know. I'm completely comfortable in being a secular person, but I am not in that so many people in this country are being weighed down by this overt and shallow religiosity.