Arianna's 9/15 Column

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Column Title: Special Delivery: A Hogwarts Howler For The American Voter

I must say I agree with Arianna.

The only problem I have with this argument "Bush has not made us safer" is that we have not been attacked here in America since 9/11. So to the common person, this equates to Bush has made us safer.

How do you counter this argument?

[jds]

Arianna is like many other liberal know-it-alls; they have perfected Monday morning quaterbacking...
This is a dangerous world and 9/11 wan't the first attack on this country by muslim extremists. It just happened to be the first one on our soil. What did it get us by ignoring it or bombing aspirin factories? You can't ignore a mad dog or try to negoitiate with one to not bite you. Rabid dogs must be put down. The question is, do we do it in our country or in theirs? I like theirs. Evidently liberals like Arianna and her good buddy Bill Mayher would turn the other cheek and wlecome another round of attacks in America. Bill should go back to comedy, if that is what you call his act and Arianna should go back to Greece.

[halva]

Behind every terrorist there is a bush.

[Tom Healy]

Arianna is like many other liberal know-it-alls; they have perfected Monday morning quaterbacking...
and Arianna should go back to Greece.

Unfortunately this is an ad-hominem attack so typical of the rabid republican right. I believe that the term "liberal" as used by them is the same as "Satan." It has no meaning other than to provide a piece of red meat to the lions while the coliseum fans shout their approval. I know that's a Roman analogy, not Greek, but I think it's apt.

[gaiacomm]

President George W Bush is the greatest ruler and President in history!

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President George W Bush is the greatest ruler and President in history!

HAHA, you're funny :p

This is a dangerous world and 9/11 wan't the first attack on this country by muslim extremists. It just happened to be the first one on our soil.

This wasn't the first attack on American soil. I believe the WTC was bombed in 1993 as well.

Rabid dogs must be put down. The question is, do we do it in our country or in theirs? I like theirs. Evidently liberals like Arianna and her good buddy Bill Mayher would turn the other cheek and wlecome another round of attacks in America.

Come on jds that isn't fair. I am sure no one wants another round of attacks in America. So your assumption is a false one, and a low blow. Why not make your case with some facts, or point out flaws in Arianna's and Bill's logic? Or are you capable of doing that? I hope you're not one of these people that think they win an arguement thru insults.

[gaiacomm]

HAHA, you're funny :p



This wasn't the first attack on American soil. I believe the WTC was bombed in 1993 as well.



Come on jds that isn't fair. I am sure no one wants another round of attacks in America. So your assumption is a false one, and a low blow. Why not make your case with some facts, or point out flaws in Arianna's and Bill's logic? Or are you capable of doing that? I hope you're not one of these people that think they win an arguement thru insults.


Oh you are funny also. And yes I am serious!

[keepitsimple]

President George W Bush is the greatest ruler and President in history!

I agree wholeheartedly. He is just having a bit of bad luck.

Iraq is on the verge of civil war. And after that, it will become an Iranian-style "democracy."

Under Bush, 913,000 jobs have been lost--402,000 in the high-tech field.

Under Bush, unemployment has gone up from 4.2% to 5.4%--up about 29%.

Under Bush, the on-budget deficit has skyrocketed to new heights--in the trillions.

Under Bush, the DOW has not made even one--not even one--new all-time weekly high. By contrast, during Clinton's tenure, the DOW made 111 new all-time weekly highs.

As I said, the greatest ruler in history is just having an off-term--a bit of bad luck.

[Susan Lynn Rapp]

I must respectfully disagree with Arianna's suggestion that Kerry must take issue with Bush's "strength" regarding Iraq or anything else for that matter.

Geov Parrish wrote an article recently in the Seattle Weekly stating that the "A Stronger America" approach was putting Kerry on the defensive. I agree with that assessment and the proof was that Bush was starting to get a lead on Kerry even BEFORE the Republican Convention. Geov went on to suggest that Kerry needed to attack Bush in the area that Bush is truly weak on:
Competence. It was suggested that Kerry say he will lead "a smarter America", "a wiser America", a more humble and compassionate America", etc. I agree with that srategy. And by the way, that's what we really need anyway! Amerca is already too strong for its own britches, IMHO.

Here is proof in the pudding. The other night on TV during a news program someone said that he voted for Gore in 2000 but he was going to vote for Bush because he thought Bush was strong in the handling of the terrorism situation during and after 9/11. (Oye Vej) :shock:

Apparently this gentleman has only heard the speeches that Bush gave following the aftermath of 9/11 but has not seen the video on the web of Bush just SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida as the horror unfolded in New York. A co-worker of mine mentioned the other day that a poll showed that 40% of voters watch Fox News exclusively - so one can see how this can happen.
I sincerely doubt anyone who just watched ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or CSPAN are anymore enlightened than the person mentioned above. It does make one pause and wonder how many other Gore 2000 supporters are planning on voting for Bush. : :confused:

I posted Geov Parrish's article on the Kucinich Forum and a few days later in the morning newspaper I read the headline (paraphrased) "Kerry calls for a smarter America".

Kerry has changed his message/strategy recently and it appears to be working. Kerry and Bush are once again in a dead heat instead of Bush having a 9 to 11 point lead. :)

[Susan Lynn Rapp]

You can start to counter the argument that America is safer by letting people know that there are no less than 50 Terrorist Organizations up in Canada AND because Canada has such lenient immigration policies there are approximately 2,500 terrorists living up there and the immigration officials do not know who they are or where they live.

Source: An interview with an immigration official in Canada on 60 Minutes.

Here's another one. The Al Quaida Network has increased by over 2000 members since the war in Iraq began.

Source: Article in Seattle PI

By the way - it is estimated that since 1968 22,000 people have died from terrorist attacks.
It is also estimated that 30,000 Afghani and Iraqi citizens have died since the so-called War on Terrorism began.

Souce: Information Clearing House

Yes folks, we are well on our way to defeating terrorism (sarcasm intended)

If you want more examples, let me know.

[boo2]

You can start to counter the argument that America is safer by letting people know that there are no less than 50 Terrorist Organizations up in Canada AND because Canada has such lenient immigration policies there are approximately 2,500 terrorists living up there and the immigration officials do not know who they are or where they live.

Source: An interview with an immigration official in Canada on 60 Minutes.

Here's another one. The Al Quaida Network has increased by over 2000 members since the war in Iraq began.

Source: Article in Seattle PI

By the way - it is estimated that since 1968 22,000 people have died from terrorist attacks.
It is also estimated that 30,000 Afghani and Iraqi citizens have died since the so-called War on Terrorism began.

Souce: Information Clearing House

Yes folks, we are well on our way to defeating terrorism (sarcasm intended)

If you want more examples, let me know.

i agree with the rest of your post except for your first point, CSIS (like canadian CIA and much more informed than a border guard who requires little training) quotes the amount of individual people unaccounted for in Canada who are possible terrorists at 300.

I read a quoted estimate in the US, that states that there are 140,000 people of interest in terrorism investigations in the US (this number might be wrong). If it is correct, there are 466 times the amount of terrorists in the US, and only 10 times the population.

[gaiacomm]

Everyone else is so concerned about others that we fail to forget that there are thousands of people in America that are dying from starvations, hunger, depression, murder, etc. each day more than the ones murdered in Iraq.The war on terror should be fought within our own nation first. The culture of the USA has changed and we have become our own enemy within! The CIA and FBI watch us and control us thru crafy legal laws that we allow to pass under our eyes. WE are not a Government by the People anymore.

So quote your numbers of others...what have you done for America lately?

[Wills]

I find it interesting, but not reassuring, that the Bushites have been returing to the theme of "it's better to be fighting the terrorists in Iraq than in NewYork". During the 1940's when Germany's attempt to Regime Change the Soviet Union began coming apart, many in the military advocated withdrawing to defensible borders. Hitler replied that if Germany didn't fight the Communists in the middle of Russia, they would have to fight them in Berlin. We all know how well that strategy worked.

[gaiacomm]

As American's what have we really done to REALLY help America?

[Jim S]

>> You can't ignore a mad dog or try to negoitiate with one to not bite you. Rabid dogs must be put down. The question is, do we do it in our country or in theirs? I like theirs. Evidently liberals like Arianna and her good buddy Bill Mayher would turn the other cheek and wlecome another round of attacks in America. <<

I like "theirs" too. That's why I think invading Saddamland when it was Osama's bunch that did the dirty deed on 9/11 is ridiculous. When Osama hits you, why do you go after Saddam? Go after Osama! And that's pretty much the conclusion Arianna reached--she didn't advocate turning the other cheek.

--Jim

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I agree Jim S! :)

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Column Title: Special Delivery: A Hogwarts Howler For The American Voter

I must say I agree with Arianna.

The only problem I have with this argument "Bush has not made us safer" is that we have not been attacked here in America since 9/11. So to the common person, this equates to Bush has made us safer.

How do you counter this argument?

hey this is me!

I thought I had this username....hmm